Pam Smart's teenage lover and killer of her husband, Bill Flynn asks for early release

[wind149]

Read this today in the Union Leader, a NH based newspaper. Billy Flynn who was convicted along with three other teens for killing Greggory Smart, Pam Smart's husband of one year is asking for early release. He is not due to be paroled until 2018. While in prison, it seems he has been doing good works, has learned several trades and has earned college degrees. He is a mentor to many of the young people that end up in the prison and even the guards speak highly of him. NH residents have had mixed feelings over this. Some feel he has done his fair share of time and others think he should rot in hell. I am on the side of he has done his time. He was a young, impressionable teen, who had an older woman paying him attention and when they went to bed together, she reeled him in line and sinker. He would have done anything she asked and she had threatened to end their relationship if he did not kill her husband and this kid's hormone's were in overdrive and she had told him Gregg beat her and he fell for it and then done the deed. He is very remorseful for what he has done, he said he never wanted to ask for early release before he served as much time as how old he was at the time. Sounded plausible to me. He has also married and has a step-daughter he loves. There is such a thing as second chance. He can't bring Gregg back, he knows that, but he has tried in many ways to show how sorry he is and says he always will be and I believe him. I am normally not on the side of murderers, but in his case, I take exception. He was a child, she was a pedophile. Pam Smart is a cold, calculating evil, witch and she is where she needs to be. Her stupid mother who has always been in deep denial has posted yet another pity party web-site and on it is has a guest book feature and just about every posting is people from NH mainly, but no one is posting warm and fuzzy messages. I wrote two and pretty much expressed myself. Funny, how I see this in the paper today and Toby Tiger and I had a discussion about PS last week under the Women Who Kill board. People still want her to rot in hell and just a handful is buying her crap spin of how innocent she is. Even has a prison shrink bamboozled and sticking up for her. No one set up web-sites for Bill Flynn. He has never appeared on any shows like American Justice or Rita Cosby whining about how bad prison is and how he is so innocent. He has never once claimed that he is, he admitted his guilt right off. I think he deserves a second chance and I seriously doubt he would ever kill again. Pam on the other hand, what if she was to get out and someone crossed her? Would they suffer the same fate as Gregg? It galls me to my last nerve she has her own room, does not look too much like a cell, her own bed linens, stereo, DVD player, can wear her own clothes, can order from catalogs and from Victoria's Secret of all things, can order food items and cook her own meals and gets trailer visits with her family. Sound like hard time to you? Has earned college degrees the state of NY taxpayers had to pay for, including a degree in Criminal Justice, wonder what she thinks she is going to do with that? Win a new trial, be found not guilty and go to work at Bedford Hills?? I barfed at a preamble on her web-site that reads "She has never seen an I-POD and she has not seen freedom in 17 years." Her parents can visit her, hold her, talk to her on the phone, give her credit cards to be able to order her special items and what can the Smart family do? They get to go to a graveyard. They cant' hold their son, they have to tell a rock that they love him, they would never see grandchildren by him, all they have are pictures, videos and memories. She is alive and well. Mr. Smart is probably going to be upset if Billy wins early release, but not as much as if Pam were offered the same. He has said though he knew why Billy killed his son and has forgiven him, and I think a part of him would want to see Bill free too. Be interesting to see what all of you think, especially folks from NH.

[She]

I live in Hampton, N.H. and read your opinion last night. I was actually looking for some way to get in touch with the court etc. to write in Billy Flynn's behalf. I think Bill has served enough time and should have early release. This was such a tragedy. I have two boys who graduated from Winnacunnet High School and I tell you if they had been under the influence of Pamela Smart at Bill's age I shudder to think what could have happened.

There were so many things that were known that didn't come out in court. I have a friend who worked/works at the school who has told me everyone knew this inappropriate relationship was going on. I hold the school personel responsible for a lot of this. If they even had an inkling of a teacher acting in an unsavory manner, something needed to be done. To my knowledge, nothing was done. In court, Celia ---Thaxter?--testified that her mother called the school to tell them and did tell them about this relationship between these kids and a teacher and nothing was done about it.

I owned a seasonal business in town and had a customer tell me he was somehow involved with the family--I think as a big brother or something. I can't remember how now as this was years ago. He painted a picture of Billy being a really good kid.

Billy Flynn had a couple of strikes against him when he met Pam Smart. He was living in either Seabrook or Hampton Beach in the winter. Both of those places are not considered the best side of the tracks. He was in with a group from Seabrook--kids who had a reputation simply for living in the wrong place. I watched my children very carefully when they made friends from those areas simply because of the reputation. The school tends to let these kids slide.

How must he have felt when Pamela Smart played his music, accepted his friends and shared her body with him? This boy was too immature to handle this. I am sure there are many people saddend by all of this. Pamela was a skilled manipulater---with children. She also has no conscience. I wonder if at 15 Billy had the emotional maturity to understand impulse control, to know what a relationship is between a boy and a woman and to know the difference between love and sex to name but a few.

Billy has paid dearly. There will be no winners in this case. My heart goes out to the Smart family--but not to Pamela. She is the one who orchestrated the entire drama. My thought is that if we are truly interested in our youth then we need to look at each individual case and try to bring forth something that can be salvaged.

[wind149]

Excellent post! SHE ! I truly feel Bill should be given a second chance. Yesterday I read his letter to the judge it is on WMUR's web-site and letters written on his behalf by his wife and a correctional officer and I was impressed by his insight, how articulate he is and the fact he has been remorseful from day one, the fact he has never once complained to the media about his life behind bars like Pam has whined about herself all these years. Understandably, the Smart family is not impressed with the possibility of his early release, the pain is still too fresh, but I am hoping someday they can come to terms and realize this kid was doomed from the minute he met up with that sociopath Pam. Not only did she seduce him sexually, but she seduced his mind. It really sounds like Bill has been trying all these years to show that he really is a good person who just got waylaid by her and his hormones. Without Pam, Bill and Gregg would have never crossed paths. Bill was very immature, came from a single parent home, like you said the wrong side of the beach area. From all accounts, it sounds to me that Bill was well liked by everyone who knew him, he reminded me of a shy puppy and then you have to see the raw emotion come spilling out of him on the stand as he describes how he killed Gregg, it was heartbreaking and there sits the Ice Princess, completely stoic, hair and makeup perfect. Every time the camera would pan to her, I would just look at her and think, there is nothing there. She used this boy, she came off to the students as this cool teacher who liked Aerosmith and other heavy metal bands and now you tell me that the whole school administration knew and did nothing? Shame on them. Maybe if they had suspended her, or fired her, this might not have happened. Bill Flynn was as much of a victim as Gregg in a sense. He fell for an older attractive woman, what kid has not fantasied about a hot teacher? I had a math teacher who I thought was the hottest guy out there! He had to be about 30 and I was 16. But I never acted on my feelings, it was a crush. Pam KNEW Bill had a crush on her and decided right then and there that she was going to exploit him into doing her dirty work. She had that kid wrapped from the word go. Telling him Gregg beat her, cheated on her, and Bill wanted to be the knight in shining armor to rescue her and she planted those seeds in his head that the only way they could be together is if Bill killed him. Remember it came out during the trial that they had planned to do it weeks before May1st 1990? And Bill chickened out and she threatened to end their relationship then? By this point she had him so whipped, he had no choice but to kill Gregg as the poor kid really thought she loved him. Right after the murder, she drops him like a hot potato. Then people started getting wind of the fact this might not have been a random act and as the cops dug deeper, it hit the fan. Vince's father brought the murder weapon to what Seabrook police? All this pain and suffering caused by one evil, vapid ***** who didn't want to lose a leather couch!!! I hate her so much for what she has done and I am way tired of her mother whining about how daughter lives a life of despair and it is not fair the boys did not get LWPOP and Bill was the trigger man. She refuses to see her sociopath daughter was the mastermind behind the whole thing and blames the boys. Those boys would have never killed anyone. They might have had a few scrapes with the law, it is a rite of passage for teens to rebel, but murder would have never been in their futures. Pam whines and snivels about how HER LIFE has been ruined and she is such a selfish, vapid, loser, that she does not even see she has ruined her family's lives too. The Smart family, all the boys and their families, from that day, nothing was ever the same for any of them and never will be. I believe that Bill should get out and since we don't know much about Patrick and how he has handled his life behind bars, I would have to say give him a chance at freedom as well at some point. I have given some thought since yesterday and have decided to write Bill a letter telling him how I feel and take it from there, maybe you could do the same.It is too late for Gregg, but maybe a boy who went to prison before he was old enough to vote, can be redeemed.

[She]

Thank you for your reply. You sound as if you followed the story very closely, as did I. My family lives across the street from the school, the condo where Pam and Greg first lived is about a block away, and the courthouse is about a two minute drive. My children graduated from Winnacunnet and a lot of the players in this story were members of the community. I don't know if you have ever been to New England or not, but these little towns are villages and hamlets nestled close together. Even though we don't know everyone, when something of this nature happens, we feel closely and strongly connected.

I think the reason Pam had her husband murdered was because he had somehow found out about the affair and was going to tell--perhaps even the school. This would have ruined her plans for her future to become a media star--as in tv. Pam's family is from Wynham which is an exclusive area. When she met Greg he was in a band. I think she tired of marriage and started hanging out with the kids, began listening to the music again and became the center of attention as she needed. Along comes the affair and then her husband finds out or suspects. The solution -- silence Greg, eventuallly break offthe affair with Bill, and she can go on with her life. She was not prepared for the consequences. After all, who was going to believe "the Brookers"--a class so beneath her.

I am truly amazed at people's view on this in the community. I would ask someone what they thought and they would say she is innocent. I would ask why they thought that and it had nothing to do with the facts. Could beauty be a key player in that kind of thought process? I really don't take kindly to that thought. Could social status be a player? I don't like that either.

I don't dislike anyone here. I don't like what happend, and I am certainly beyond grateful tha I have not felt so self-centered and uncaring as to entertain the idea of taking another's life. Pamela Smart took a multitude of lives. How we never want to fall in her shadow nor cross her path. I was also surprised that if there was a full psychologicol work-up on her why it was not presented to the court and if not one done, why not? I do think she is sociopathic. These people are pretty crazy and all it takes to "get out of control" is once.

The other two boys are from Seabrook. Seabrook is a fishing town. The harbour is filled with the draggers of generations. These men are fishermen who go to the sea year round. They are of the law of the land. The wind blows their hair, the salt in the seaspray is the stuff they dream about. They are a hardworking lot of people and education is not their priority, but to live a simple life and an honest life is good enough. What father could turn in a gun believed used by his son for a crime like this? I don't know if I could have. It tells you something about the black and white of the souls who inhabit Seabrook--the other side of the tracks. I think I would rather be from Seabrook and take my lumps than be from Wynham.

Well I seem to be getting off the track. Thanks for letting me vent. I am going to do something for this young boy Billy. I guess I will try to find out who to write. I'm just an ordinary citizen who happens to feel strongly about this one. Again, a tradgedy.

[wind149]

I kept up with this trial as I am originally from NH, West Chesterfield to be exact right next to Keene and did not miss a second of that trial. I have only lived here for 4 years. I remember hearing about the murder on WMUR and I am thinking who would murder anyone in Derry? And then seeing Pam being interviewed and here again, I am thinking, this man comes from a good family and she appeared to be the grieving widow, yeah, at first,. As the months passed, I remember exactly where I was when they said they had made an arrest in the murder. My roommate worked at a Chinese restaurant in the lounge and my cousin and I if we had the same day off, we would meet there, have lunch and a few Scorpion bowls and hang out. We were watching a show when they broke in and said they had arrested four teenagers and my first thought was kids can be knuckleheads, was it robbery like thought at first? And if so, how senseless .Well at that point I did not realize just how senseless it really was. A week or so later here comes Pame, in handcuffs being dragged out of the school and I was blown away when Andy Hershberger said she was under arrest for the murder of Gregg as well. And then all the ugly comes out during the trial. We did not have cable before the trial and you can be sure we did when the trial started. It was like the OJ trial of NH. Complete media circus, hell, we were being accosted in Keene by reporters! As you knew, it was covered live from WMUR and that was cutting edge in 1991! I knew as more came out she was the mastermind behind the whole thing and she just sat there all perfectly groomed as usual, not showing any emotion at all and that is a true sociopath. Even when the jury found her guilty, I knew where I was then, sitting at my cousin's with a beer in my hand, there was a bunch of us there, sitting on the edge of our seats and when the foreman said guilty, we all went WAY TO GO! God, we could hear the neighbors roaring at the next house, it was like the Patriots won the Super Bowl! She showed no emotion, no tears, nothing. The camera panned to the Smarts and you could see all kinds of emotion going on there. They were all crying, but they also looked relieved and later, being interviewed by a half a million TV reporters, they said as much. And Mr. Smart said he hoped she rots for the rest of her life and SHE, read the lame website her doctor at the prison put up for her. People think the good old doc there is in love with Pam and I have to kinda agree, they got their arms wrapped around each other. I like my doctor, but not that much! The web-site is pamelasmart.net. It is even obscene. She has a picture of her and Gregg on there that makes me disgusted. They actually are asking for donations to cover costs for a new trial!! Not gonna happen, Governor Lynch already turned her down in 2005, he will continue to do so and I am sure governors after him will do the same! Her stupid mother won't let it go and she is going to go to her own grave in denial and it is sad. Pame has earned all these degrees, what good is going to do her? Whereas, Bill can use his as he will get out someday. I am hoping his early release is granted, I have taken it upon myself to write him a letter and told him to go ahead and add it to the pile. That must frost her to no end, thinking Bill might get out and can you hear Mrs. Wojas whining to WMUR and the Union Leader and probably every Boston station as well? They need to just give it up, let that evil witch do her time and quit whining as it just makes people mad or disgusted her asking for early release. Don't work that way on LWPOP sentence and I am so glad that judge imposed that sentence assuring everyone she will never get out and is paying for her evil deed with her freedom. I don't think the boy's sentences were unreasonable either. They had to be punished for what they did, but I feel the judge had taken their ages into consideration and the fact that without Pam in the picture, they would have never crossed paths. Gregg might have found out about the affair, we will never know as she ain't talking. But what burns me up is the school knew??? It would have been so much better on everyone if they had just gotten divorced. Nobody's lives would have blown up around them, but for the actions of one vain, evil, calculating, sociopath, it all blew sky high.

[chambord]

I am so facsinated reading everyone's posts, I was under the impression everyone had forgotten about this case. I have strong family ties to the Derry New Hampshire area and I am so excited to read all of your opinions.

[wind149]

Chambord. It is such a sad case when you factor in how many lives were destroyed because of one evil person. This case put a blight on the state of NH at that time as NH is not murder central like some states are. They happen, but not like this case. You had sex, rock and roll, and murder and writers for a soap opera could not have written this in for a plot at that time. Now anything goes on those shows. I was not fascinated by this case, it was like for months everyone in the whole state was mired down by the whole package in the sense of the media glitz, there were reporters from all over the world, not just New England and the town of Derry was besieged and no one in that town had ever been exposed to something so evil right in their own backyards and people felt betrayed by Pam, like how could she do this, how could she exploit Billy and the others boys, how come they did her bidding? Who was the most evil? No one could have fathomed this would ever happen in a nice community like Derry. We have two women missing now for 6 years from my town, West Chesterfield in Feb 2001. They are dead we know that, the evil SOB they lived with killed them, but their bodies have never been recovered. The evil man was about to stand trial for molesting a child and while we all believe his girlfriend knew about that, we think he molested her daughter, she either walked in on it or her daughter told her about it and they got into a fight and he killed both of them. A lot of attention has always been focused on the mountain that abuts the property, but while it is not huge, there are many caves, and old mining shafts up there and even Sylvia Brown seems to feel they are buried near water and the river is right next to the property as well. This weekend they plan another search and I truly hope someday they find them and their family can know for sure. Now here are two cases in NH that while different, are an example of how rare these cases are. Manchester of course is turned a toilet and they have had several murders there since the Smart case, mostly drug related and now gang wars and a beloved police officer was murdered last Oct and his killer is a low-life scumbag ,and the trial is not expected to start till next fall. I read with horror the other day in addition to the books and several movies about the Smart case now some moron wants to make a Broadway play about it! Several hundred people in a local paper posted about how obscene even the thought of someone profiting from that young man's tragic death and we have been trying to find a link to protest to the idiots that want this to be a go! It is not right morally and the pain it would cost the Smart family. I could care less how Pam's family would feel as they have jumped on the pity party bandwagon so many times for Pam, whining about how horrible her life is and she is not doing hard time Chambord. Quite the opposite for a murderess. I don't know if you read my posting to Toby Tiger but she has her own room, does not resemble a cell, her own bed linens, she can wear her own clothes, she can order food products with a credit card, and cook her own meals, she orders nighties from Victoria Secret, and has trailer visits with her family three-four times a year! The tax payers of NY have shelled out money for her to get college degrees of which she will never use. She has her own TV, stereo, and to me this is disgusting. Punishment should be the only thing happening for her. Rehabilitation is not in her cards, kinda hard to do that on LWPOP sentence. I resent the fact that she has these creature comforts most inmates are not afforded. It is like she gets these because she is THE Pam Smart. She does not live in gen pop however, two girls jumped her and beat her face pretty good in 1997 and she has had surgery and has no feeling on one side of her face or so she claims. She resides on the mental health ward of the prison and I guess takes care of women who can't help themselves. Sounds noble till you factor in where Gregg Smart is today. And Bill Flynn bravely asking for early release. I sure hope he gets it and maybe my letter and I was as brutally honest as I always am and told him why I wanted him to be released, as why make this man wait till 2018 to show people what really good works he has done and not once has whined to the media about how his life sucks. He accepted his fate and quietly has done his time. So this is more insight to the horror show and how people from NH are still affected by this case and always will be.

[chambord]

Thanks wind. I visit Derry often as I have family there. Matter of fact I drive by the Smart's condo and always when I do, the case comes back to me.

I would love to read your post to Toby, can you point me in the direction where I may find it.

[wind149]

Chambord,
It is on the Larissa Women Who Kill board. Toby had brought up other women who have killed like Ailene Wornous and Pam Smart so I first posted my whole take on Pam there and then, funny, I find out in the Union Leader Bill was asking for early release, strange isn't it? I have gone to Derry myself and used to spend summers either at Hampton or the Cape, but all of my friends and I preferred to really go to the Cape after all the cone-heads go home for the summer as we could enjoy ourselves more, the bars and restaurants would not be that packed, only with locals and we are not considered flatlanders because we live in NH! I see I am now being quoted on-line from the CLB and that is OK with me! Her web-site disgusts me and I think the good doctor there who started the site is really being played and if she is gay and who knows if she is, then maybe her judgment is being clouded by Pam. Personally, Pam is not "HOT FOR TEACHER" anymore. Prison has a way of aging people fast and the years have not been kind to her. And ya know, she isn't a dumb broad. If she was able to get all these degrees it shows that she is capable of learning, she just was really stupid and now she should just shut her yap, stop trying to get people to run her spin for her and jut pay her debt to Gregg Smart.

[chambord]

Wind

I am so enjoying your commentary on Pamela Smart's case. Your postings are wonderful reads, your a talented writer. I felt as you did seeing Pamela in court every day at her trial. Dressed to the nines, never the same suit twice, the little bows placed so in her hair. She seemed to enjoy all the attention, and I really believe she thought she would be found not guilty.

[wind149]

Chambord. Yes, she truly felt that she would be found not guilty, she figured the jury would not buy the statements given by a juvenile and she being a teacher therefore would be more credible and boy, did that blow up in her face. Thank You for the compliment, I do enjoy writing, been giving myself a pep talk as to whether or not I should write a fiction book based on many crime cases and see where it goes, even if it means just my friends have a copy. I would never however, write another book about Pam and I feel no movies or books should have been written about this case. And another thing a lot of people forget about is Gregg is dead. Gregg was the victim, not Pam. Mr. Smart has said in the past, that if she were to admit to him that she masterminded the whole murder and was genuinely sorry for it, he would ask the Governor for clemency, but she won't do it and you know why? If she admits to the crime, her own family is going to really know the truth, her "fan" club will know, and all her spin all these years for sympathy would go down the tubes. Even if she were to be granted clemency, what she did would still be with her 24 hours a day even if she moved to Guam and if you think she has people hating her now, it would be a worse case scenario for her. It is hard to try to live a lie and deny it to yourself that you had your husband, a man you took a vow with, killed simply because he cut his hair, you did not want to lose a rented home or a leather couch and admit to these were the reasons. She can't do it and won't do it as she would not have the attention she has from some people who actually thinks she is innocent like the good doctor. She is evil and no amount of jail time is going to change that and she should stop abusing her own family and at least tell them the truth and she owes the Smart family a debt she can never repay.

[ssasha71]

I believe that Billy Flynn deserves his freedom. Being a resident of New Hampshire, I remember the trial well. It’s hard to believe that so many years have passed. The citizens of New Hampshire still have very strong feelings about this case, with the majority believing that Pam bears 100% of the blame in this unnecessary crime. It floors me that she continues to maintain her innocence. I hope that the people of NH will rally behind Billy Flynn in his request and make their feelings known to the court.

[wind149]

Thank you Sasha for supporting Bill. I wrote him a letter and told him to use it towards his bid for freedom as I truly feel he has paid his debt and keeping him in prison another 10 years still will not bring Gregg back and he has so much to offer now with the skills he has learned but better than them he has always been remorseful and she had him so whipped he would have killed 10 people for her if that is what it took and for that I will forever hate that evil b**** and I was tired of she and parents moaning about her life behind bars and to me she ain't doing hard time. In Westmoreland NH, where there is a county jail is worse than the prison she is in. She is exactly where she needs to be and people like you and me that are from NH are never going to forget what she did and it is like I said in an earlier posting that case put a blight on NH as there was not a lot of crime like say in Mass or CT and that case had everything, sex, drugs and rock and roll and the media loved every minute of it. I don't know where you live but I lived outside of Keene and there were reporters bugging us there even. Everyone I knew watched the trial, commented on it daily and the one thing we all did not agree on as whether or not Bill should have been charged as a juvenile and I felt he should have been, he was 15, one year below the status where they can be charged as an adult but because of the element of the crime itself, they charged him as an adult. The other boys were of age and Randall was 17 so he would have been charged as an adult. This case, there is no winners. If Bill regains his freedom, the murder itself is never going to leave his head, he will have that stigma wherever he goes and I hope if he is released people and especially the media leaves him the hell alone. Did you know he had gotten married? I didn't. Pam were to get married it would be on every freaking network and she would make sure of it. I could give a crap less about her family at this point. At first I felt sorry for them too, their daughter is a murderess and they spent thousands of dollars in legal fees and all these years they have paid old Pame's credit card bills, wasted more dollars in 2004 when Mrs Wojas asked for a new trial and for Governor Lynch for clemency and he shot it down and he will continue to do so. She ought to just shut her face, stop using her parents and the other suckers that always seem to fall under her spell like that doctor. Did you read the web-site? Enough to make you puke. Se has earned several degrees and what for? She is never going to use them, at least Bill can use his skills when he gets out. So yeah, she just needs to do her time and not be a media *****.

[ssasha71]

You're right about Pam being a media *****. It makes me sick that she will use any excuse to get her face in the media spotlight. I'm sure she (and her mother) will use Billy's request for a sentence reduction to once again to get her face in the spotlight - and maintaining her innocence. She really is pathetic. I had heard that he had gotten married a few years ago, but that was just talk around here. Didn't know if it was true or not until I read it in the papers last week. There was a picture of Billy and his wife on the WMUR website and there was also a letter to the judge from his wife in support of his release. I know she is being trashed alot in the media, but from what I read, she sounds like a good person. Good for him that he can get out someday and lead a normal life.

[wind149]

Sasha, Yeah, I saw Bill and his wife and I read the letter she sent to the judge on his behalf and she sounds like she is very intelligent and clearly loves Bill with her heart and is not one of those ghoulish murder groupies and see you had heard he had gotten married, but it was floating around as a rumor until last week and it more proof positive that he is not into the whole media trip like that evil woman is. She will never shut up though and I can see the sympathy buzz she will get from the bamboozled fools who thinks she got screwed in the event Bill is granted early release. I can hear her mother right on now WMUR and every Boston station whining about how he is the murderer and my daughter did not have anything to do with the murders and the only thing she is guilty of is having the affair with Billy Flynn and it is getting old with her whining and sniveling over her daughter incarceration and I think by now she is never going to accept the truth and she knows deep down her daughter was the mastermind and if she wants to live a lie I guess we can't stop her.

[Mishell1383]

Just think if the Dr.and Pam get married her name can be Pam Pam. LMAO! I crack myself up

[Mishell1383]

wait a minute here, I'm looking at the pamela website, and it says she was never a teaher or Flynn's teacher at that? is that true? How did they meet if she wasn't his teacher? Nw I'm confused :shrug:

[wind149]

She was the media coordinator for the school and when she met Billy Flynn and the others and Cecelia Pierce they were going to make a commercial for orange juice as Pam's job was to teach them things pertaining to the media and TV and she decided they would make a mock commercial and instead she made a lot more of a mess then orange juice!

[Mishell1383]

She was the media coordinator for the school and when she met Billy Flynn and the others and Cecelia Pierce they were going to make a commercial for orange juice as Pam's job was to teach them things pertaining to the media and TV and she decided they would make a mock commercial and instead she made a lot more of a mess then orange juice!
oooooooooooh! Thanks for your response wind. I can't stand her, she is a sleazy, sociopath. And she really does look so aged, I also noticed she had her nails nicely painted and her hair died, and she also is allowed to come in contact and physically touch people. What kind of jail is that. I am outraged at the fact that she has THAT MUCH FREEDOM! And she has the nerve to complain. I think she should keep complaining and hope they take away more of her little freedoms jut for her *****ing and moaning. And see how she likes it than. Awww I feel so sorry she has never seen an ipod. Give me a break she should not see ALOT OF THINGS! That website really pinched my last nerve.. And Dr. Pam is definitly in love with Pam, thats her problem right there.

[chambord]

She was the media coordinator for the school and when she met Billy Flynn and the others and Cecelia Pierce they were going to make a commercial for orange juice as Pam's job was to teach them things pertaining to the media and TV and she decided they would make a mock commercial and instead she made a lot more of a mess then orange juice!


Over the years I have always wondered when I thought of Pam, in particular,when I would drive past the crime scene, how in the world she got that position. What were her qualifications for that?

[wind149]

Hey guys,
She went to college in Florida where she was originally from and studied journalism and had ambitions of becoming a top anchor woman on a major TV station and she was also a DJ at the college and played heavy metal music and billed herself as the "Maiden of Metal" She met Gregg when she and her parents moved to NH and he would often visit her at the college on school breaks and when she graduated, they decided to get married and Gregg went to work for his Dad at his insurance company something Pam did want him to do, she wanted him to play in a rock band and become the next Eddie Van Halen. Gregg had bought her a little dog and she named Halen. They got married and moved to the condo on Misty Morning Drive in Derry and Pam got the media coordinator job at the high school and the rest we all know about.

[chambord]

Hey guys,
She went to college in Florida where she was originally from and studied journalism and had ambitions of becoming a top anchor woman on a major TV station and she was also a DJ at the college and played heavy metal music and billed herself as the "Maiden of Metal" She met Gregg when she and her parents moved to NH and he would often visit her at the college on school breaks and when she graduated, they decided to get married and Gregg went to work for his Dad at his insurance company something Pam did want him to do, she wanted him to play in a rock band and become the next Eddie Van Halen. Gregg had bought her a little dog and she named Halen. They got married and moved to the condo on Misty Morning Drive in Derry and Pam got the media coordinator job at the high school and the rest we all know about.


Hi Wind,, But how did she get that position? Was it due to someone she knew? IMO, anyone coming in contact withe high school students on a daily basis should have had a background check and the credentionals prove she was qualified. I just don't see that.

[wind149]

I don't have a clue whether she knew someone that vouched for her to get the job, all I know is she had a degree in journalism and she had applied at WMUR prior to getting the job at the school and apparently she did not have experience so they did not hire her, kinda makes you wonder if that was the reason or did she rub somebody the wrong way there? She has a way of making it all about Pam's World, and maybe the station decided she was not appropriate for the job. As far as them doing background checks on her, she had a clean record so nothing would have leaped out at anyone at that time and she was young and pretty and the school probably figured that she could relate to the students being only a few years older than them and they could relate to her, but who knew just how much "relations" she wanted? Read today's Union Leader and predictably the Smart family is pretty pissed off at the idea of Bill Flynn getting early release but someday they are going to have to come to terms that even if it he is not granted early parole now, he will eventually. I understand the wounds are fresh for them, but while I don't ever expect them to invite Bill to dinner, they have to see at some point that Bill has really tried to pay his debt to them by helping others as he knows he can't bring Gregg back. but if he were to help one inmate through his mentoring program, and the guy has never re-offended, I say that it is a step in the right direction. A couple of people on the UL today were a little smarmy like they think it is awful that Bill has so much freedom at the prison and can install and maintain systems and I am thinking as bad as he wants out, he is not going to jeopardize what he has going for him, a career and a family. One woman expressed her displeasure by saying that no one would probably hire Bill should he get out and decide to become an alarm specialist, and I disagree with her in the sense, everyone except pedophiles, rapists and yes, murderers should be granted a second chance, but in Bill's case I take exception because he was but a child, a child who was in love for the first time, and was pumped that she was an "older woman" and he couldn't at that point point did not know whether to s**t or go blind, all he saw was Pam. And I totally agree and so does most people think that Doctor Pam is wildly in love with Pam and she touts her degrees in this and that, claims to have worked with many female inmates in the course of her career, and I think her judgment is clouded or she is not qualified to do her job at the prison. Somebody needs to look into the good doctor here to see if she is all and a bag of chips.

[ssasha71]

I hope Bill gets his early release and that the media leaves him and his family alone. Unfortunately, I'm sure they will continue to hound him, especially when he goes to court.

[wind149]

Sasha,
I think if he were to get early release the media will go crazy at first, especially because the Smart family will be center stage calling it a travesty of justice and I know they are in pain still, but as I said before they are gonna have to come to grips that someday Bill and Patrick both will be paroled like the other two were and I did not hear much from the Smart family when Vince and Ray Fowler were paroled probably due in part because even though Vince gave Bill his dad's gun, Billy was the one who shot Gregg and Ray was just in the get-away car. They should be real glad that there will be no legal loopholes Pam can find to get her sentenced reduced. A life without parole means just that, unlike a basic life sentence where one can come up for parole in as little as 7 years. The media I thought was a little laid back in NH, but wait to see if he gets released what they will do. Hopefully, it will not be a circus like the trial was. YOU KNOW the Wojas are gonna whine, did I say whine? I mean really whine if Bill is released and Linda will make sure she is on every net-work screaming about her daughter and it is not fair Bill Flynn was the trigger man, I can hear it now. She, I think is never going to accept her daughter is a murderess and while I don't feel as sorry for them as I did during the trial, it has to be hard to try to spin a lie for the last 17 years. After awhile, it becomes the truth in her own head.

[ssasha71]

That must be where Pam gets it from. I can understand wanting to believe that your child is innocent of such a horrendous act, but if her mother continues to believe that she is innocent, there is something wrong with her too. What makes it worse is her constant presence in the media proclaiming something that anyone with half a brain knows is a lie. If you ask me, Pam and her mother's media presence is worse on the Smart family than Billy Flynn's request for a sentence reduction. If not for Pam, Billy Flynn would not be asking for a sentence reduction. And if it weren't Billy Flynn in prison for doing Pam's wishes, it would be someone else in his place. Her goal was to have her husband killed. She didn't care who she had to use to accomplish that goal - and the Smart family knows that.

[Family Snapshot]

I live in NH but I don't think my opinion is any more or less relevant than anyone else's opinion. The end result is that someone is dead and that's horrifying no matter where it happens. Isn't it?

Here is what I think, Smart is evil, but not because she corrupted an innocent youth. She's evil because she arranged to have her husband murdered. She would be no more or no less evil if she had convinced her 36 year old lover to do the same.

Flynn's request is ridiculous and the fact that it would even be considered is outrageous--simply outrageous. :flamemad: It's either cynicism or stupidity on my part, but I don't see how a teen-aged boy who sleeps with his teacher can be seen as all that innocent or impressionable. He isn't mentally impaired so you cannot convince me that he didn't understand what he was doing or the ramifications of death.

My answer to his plea is NO. I don't care what his reason for committing the crime was, I don't care if he has been recently sainted. You DO NOT get a second chance when you take a life.

That's it, it's not complicated. I think Greg Smart would agree.

[redwarrior]

I can identify somewhat with the bitterness the Smart family feel, I do, but Billy was a kid not an adult when he committed his crime. True he is not mentally impaired, but he was a misguided youth nonetheless taken advantage by someone who should have known better!

BTW, when it comes to kids nowadays I am confused! I go to a popular store and condoms are displayed for sale. The message is if you wanna get laid do it right! Not sure how it is where everyone is else is from, but in the state of Arizona a teen can drop out of high school at the age of 16, get married with their parents consent at the age of 16. Yet, when they commit a violent crime for the first time we treat them like adults and expect them to accelerate into adulthood and send them off to prison. I am not saying kids should not be held accountable for the crime committed. All I am saying is I find discrepancies on what we define as acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

Billy Flynn has taken responsibility for his actions and served 17 years of a 28 year to life sentence (12 years deducted from a 40 year sentence) He is genuine and remourseful hell Flynn, served more time in prison than the adult person who killed my father.

[Marcia3]

I live in NH but I don't think my opinion is any more or less relevant than anyone else's opinion. The end result is that someone is dead and that's horrifying no matter where it happens. Isn't it?

Here is what I think, Smart is evil, but not because she corrupted an innocent youth. She's evil because she arranged to have her husband murdered. She would be no more or no less evil if she had convinced her 36 year old lover to do the same.

Flynn's request is ridiculous and the fact that it would even be considered is outrageous--simply outrageous. :flamemad: It's either cynicism or stupidity on my part, but I don't see how a teen-aged boy who sleeps with his teacher can be seen as all that innocent or impressionable. He isn't mentally impaired so you cannot convince me that he didn't understand what he was doing or the ramifications of death.

My answer to his plea is NO. I don't care what his reason for committing the crime was, I don't care if he has been recently sainted. You DO NOT get a second chance when you take a life.

That's it, it's not complicated. I think Greg Smart would agree.

Gotta' say, I agree with you here. Do I feel badly that Billy Flynn is going to be in prison until he is at least a middle-aged man? Kind of. But he did kill someone. Do I understand that he has shown remorse and has put his life together as best as he can while in prison? Yes. But the fact that he killed Greg Smart isn't going to change, no matter how much Billy accomplishes or how much he mourns for his deed.

To take a life is a serious crime, and Billy's sentence should be taken just as seriously.

JMO.

[wind149]

Marcie,
Did you happen to watch the trial and listen to that poor child in anguish describing how he did Pam's bidding? I sure did and he has been that way from day one. Keeping him in jail is not going to bring back Gregg either, nothing can. I heard a former nun speak on a show I was watching and she said that while the loved one can never be returned to earth, let the one who took it atone for what they have done in anyway they can and Bill Flynn has proved it to me. His mentoring program has turned around several other young men who were on the wrong path and have not re-offended, that speaks volume to me .Also prison is not always about punishment but rehabilitation and Bill certainly is a candidate for how rehab works. He has turned a bad thing into a good things, he has learned a trade which if he were to get out be able to support himself and lead a productive life like he should have. The Smart family has got to come to terms withe fact he will get out someday whereas the evil one who started this nightmare will never get out and I am real OK with that. Without Pam, none of their paths would have crossed. That kid was hooked line and sinker and would have killed the entire Smart family if that is what it took to keep Pam. Another thing is, hardly anybody knew he has gotten married. If Pam were to get married it would be front page news and she would make sure of it. So I say give Bill a chance, everyone is entitled to a second one and he will never re-offend again.

[Marcia3]

Don't get me wrong; I understand what you're saying and a part of me agrees with you. However, there is more to be considered than what Billy may be able to do outside prison. There is also the argument that he can and perhaps should stay in prison until he is eligible for parole under his original sentencing.

He took a life and even though the circumstances were unusual, he still was old enough to understand the consequences of his actions. He knew that death was final, that Greg Smart would die, in fact that was the intent of his visit to Greg's home that night - to murder Greg. It was planned in advance and that adds up to first degree murder.

It is a shame that an otherwise intelligent and resourceful young man is in prison for a very long time and that so many other lives were ruined, or at least scarred badly. Pam Smart had a hold on Billy but he was still a functioning human being when he killed Greg, not a robot.

The very fact that he has shown remorse from "day one" as you put it, tells me that he knew all along that what he was doing shouldn't be done.

We all have to live with the choices we make. I guess I believe Billy Flynn should not be an exception.

[JAC19]

I have read over and over about how this Billy is this poor kid....NO he murdered someone, he does not deserve to be treated like he did not. Billy Flynn already has had more opportunities in jail than most law obiding individuals have, he has had the opportunity to get his GED, learn a trade, he has had 3 meals a day and a roof over his head.....He even got married....WHY has he gotten so much?? Greg is still DEAD and always will be, this must be so awful for his parents to have to go thru this agony again, to have to face this guy and know that he may get out. He shot this man in the head, he knew what he was doing, he was old enough to understand that shooting someone in the head is WRONG. He is not some kid that people should feel sorry for, he is a murderer.

This happened a long time ago so I think people tend to forget how planned out and orchestrated this murder was by these individuls.

Billy Flynn I have not forgotten, I think you deserve to stay in jail as long as Gregg Smart stays dead.

[redwarrior]

Yes, he was a kid back then that knew right from wrong and he deceived himself by going against own conscience when he created the situation that led to Greg's death. He accepts responsibility for taking the actions he did that fateful night. It's something that will never leave him and will remain with him til the day he dies. No longer is he that kid anymore, he is an adult now, only time will tell what kind of man he will be once he is released. IMO, he deserves to have a second chance.

[Marcia3]

Yes, he was a kid back then that knew right from wrong and he deceived himself by going against own conscience when he created the situation that led to Greg's death. He accepts responsibility for taking the actions he did that fateful night. It's something that will never leave him and will remain with him til the day he dies. No longer is he that kid anymore, he is an adult now, only time will tell what kind of man he will be once he is released. IMO, he deserves to have a second chance.

Perhaps he does deserve a second chance at life outside of prison, but he should have to wait until his original parole date, IMO. Accepting responsibility is admirable, and he has openly expressed remorse for what he did, but he did not turn himself in after the crime. He was only arrested after the investigation led LE to him.

Again, we all have to live with the choices we make. Billy had a choice, he chose the wrong way, IMO. Basing his eligibility for parole on his age at the time of the murder makes no sense to me.

[wind149]

It is hard to say what Bill would have done with his life if he had not met that evil witch b***h Pam, he was 15, the world was his oyster, instead, he killed someone all for the love of her and was too stupid to see he had been played right along and that is the part where I do feel for this guy. Teenagers, we have all been one, and I can tell you I made a few bad choices such as hooking up with a 30 year old biker who belonged to the Devil's Disciple's gang and he had me dealing drugs, and luckily, I got out of the life as I could see right off this is not what I wanted to do with my life, be somebody's old lady on the back of the bike and I was all of 15. Bill Flynn has changed from a scared teen looking at 40-life to a man who accepted his fate without every network recording his last 17 years, I did not even know he had married, he has learned a trade, got an education and like I said prison can also be about rehab not just punishment. Of course you got POS's like John Couey who could never be rehabbed and it is about punishing him, not good enough for me or Mark Lunsford, but he has to accept that at least in 12 years or so, Couey will go down to the halls of hell. There is so many mixed emotions regarding Bill Flynn. Some people think he should get early release and others think he should rot in hell and if you had asked me right after the news broke, about him being arrested and Pam being the ringleader, I would have said fry them both. My sister to this day can't get over the fact that Pam had her husband killed because he cut his hair and the leather couch and her dog were key factors as well. Women get the crap beat out of them on a daily basis and here is this evil witch and it is obscene to me to this day, when interviewed, she always brings up the fact she loved Gregg and she is innocent and only Bill wanted her husband dead, as she had fed his mind with crap, that Gregg had beat her, no evidence to support that has ever surfaced, she is just a cold, calculating, POS and I remember sitting with friends waiting for the jury to come out with the verdict and everyone cheered when they found her guilty, but no one cheered when the boys got sentenced, in fact, one of my friends cried for Bill, 40-life is a long time. When she was sentenced, bars all over NH celebrated her fate, Hot for Teacher had been parodied into a song that every disc jockey played and to this day she will whine the media coverage sealed her fate and that might be partially true, but what sunk her was the tapes between her and Cecilia Pierce, without the them, it was a he said she said. Now Bill is asking for early release to prove he is a changed person, and I do believe it should be granted, I seriously doubt the guy will ever kill again, you put Couey in a room full of 5 year olds and he would rape all of them, Bill wants a life again and I know the Smart's oppose it and I feel their pain, but he will be granted parole at some point and what would be the point to keep him locked up another 6 years? Is that going to bring Gregg back? He pulled the trigger, I am aware of that, but who put it in his hand? Whose idea was it to kill Gregg? I hope to hell we never hear from her again but her fool mother tries to run her spin every couple of years and like I said I wish her mother would wake up and quit trying to jerk people around into believing in her innocence and it is pathetic at best. I, when I posted this thread have been impressed with folks here, honesty, forgiveness, and still anger, and I understand that, but put yourself in his shoes for a minute. If he stays in till 2018, he will be 43 years old, halfway to middle age and to me it would be a waste of a person trying to atone for what he did, being a mentor to other kids in the same boat he is, learning a good trade and I feel if the prison speaks highly of him, that is good enough for me.

[Marcia3]

Wind, I understand your POV and even agree with it to a degree. I just don't know if an early release would send the right message, or even serve justice to a very sad situation. Would that Billy could go back and change the course of his life, but of course that can't be done. Now I think that Greg's family must be considered as well in all of this, and that always leads me back to Billy serving his time until his original parole eligibility date.

But I do get where you're coming from and can see how you view it.

[JAC19]

In response to the

Quote: Wind149 " He pulled the trigger, I am aware of that, but who put it in his hand? Whose idea was it to kill Gregg?"

Pam Smart did not put the gun in Flynns hand. Don't get me wrong, I think she should rot in prison as well, but the bottom line is that Billy Flynn murdered someone.

Who's idea was it, well Flynn must have been in on the discussion because He carried out the plan.

Not everyone deserves a second chance, not when you take someones life.
He had his chance and he made his choice that day, Flynn pulled the trigger while that poor man pleaded for his life. ...This is from the words out of Flynns mouth, Gregg was pleading not to die........

I agree he should finish out his term, that much he owes the Smart family.

[wind149]

JAC,
I understand where you are coming from but what I meant about Pam putting the gun in his hand was the fact she was filling his head with nonsense about how Gregg had beat her up and would not let her get a divorce and the poor kid was smitten with her and yeah, he did get the gun from Vance's father's gun cabinet, rounded up the other kids as Pam promised them each $1,000 from the insurance money and $1,000 to poor kids is a fortune, he was their friend and he was totally convinced and coaxed by Pam that the only way they could be together is if Gregg was dead, so Bill hatched his plan of action to kill Gregg, but he had chickened out the first time Pam tried to get him to do it, and she told him that she did not want to see him anymore unless he killed Gregg so on May 1, 1990, he did the deed. I understand people's anger, but I feel that he has tried so hard to atone for what he did and even the prosecutor did not recommend life without parole like the evil witch got, and if he does not get early release, he will someday get out, and Pam will not and I am more than OK with that, she is the most hated woman from New England and especially from NH, people will never, ever, forgive her ,but when this broke about Bill asking for release. people from NH were divided just like here. Most people agree with you JAC, that he should do the minimum, others think he should be released and yet, others think he should rot in hell, it is a touchy subject even 17 years later. Every person in New England had their eye on that trial, restaurants and bars had the trial on, live coverage from the court and seats were more coveted than front row seats to see Rascal Flatts! No one, including myself is trying to diminish what he did, and he can't take it back, but if he was to get out I think he would do just fine, he is married and has a daughter, he has learned a good trade, second chances and all that.

[maryhaze]

I live in NH but I don't think my opinion is any more or less relevant than anyone else's opinion. The end result is that someone is dead and that's horrifying no matter where it happens. Isn't it?

Here is what I think, Smart is evil, but not because she corrupted an innocent youth. She's evil because she arranged to have her husband murdered. She would be no more or no less evil if she had convinced her 36 year old lover to do the same.

Flynn's request is ridiculous and the fact that it would even be considered is outrageous--simply outrageous. :flamemad: It's either cynicism or stupidity on my part, but I don't see how a teen-aged boy who sleeps with his teacher can be seen as all that innocent or impressionable. He isn't mentally impaired so you cannot convince me that he didn't understand what he was doing or the ramifications of death.

My answer to his plea is NO. I don't care what his reason for committing the crime was, I don't care if he has been recently sainted. You DO NOT get a second chance when you take a life.

That's it, it's not complicated. I think Greg Smart would agree.


ITA! he knew what he was doing was wrong from the start. what happens if he gets out now & another "femme fatale" comes along who wants her "abusive" husband killed? he should shut up & do his time!

[wind149]

maryhaze, Mary darling it's me in my other alter ego is Rasta! Long time no see! Do you really want Bill to stay in? I as a rule do not side with murderers, you know that one, but Pam had that boy so bamboozled, he had tunnel vision, all he saw was Pam and if it meant killing Gregg, so be it. But who was feeding him crap stories about Gregg beating her up and convincing Bill that to kill Gregg was the only way they could be together and he did chicken out once, but here again, she dangled herself in front of him, and he did the deed. If he ends up staying behind bars, he will accept it, but the Smart's have to know this. He will get out someday and so will Patrick Randall who very rarely gets mentioned in this nightmare. As for Pam,. I wish she would drop dead. I posted about watching the trial avidly and when she was found guilty I could hear neighbors all over my hood cheering! When she was sentenced, same thing, no one cheered when it was the boys turn as everyone I know has always felt a little for Bill, and the others were just as stupid, but the $1,000 to poor kids seemed like a million to them. I hate the fact that Gregg is dead and has been for 17 1/2 years, it bothers everyone from NH still. When the Union Leader first broke the story that Bill was asking for early release, it was a mixed bag of emotions, same with WMUR and the Boston stations. As for Pam and her delusional mother, I say this, give it up, quit whining and do your life sentence until you die. There was a website up and running for her and people were telling her to drop dead and rot in hell and that is where she needs to be, in hell.

[Marcia3]

But who pulled the trigger?

Not Pam, it was Billy. IMO he needs to do his minimum, if not more. The fact that he has tried to atone for killing Gregg just isn't enough in my book to warrant his early release. But let me say I really admire your passion on this subject.

[wind149]

Marcie, trust me I never side with murderers unless they kill a child molester and those guys would qualify for canteen money from me, but the reason I am so tenacious about this I guess, is he was but a child whose hormones that were in overdrive and all he saw was Pam, I think at the moment he pulled the trigger he might have been in a meltdown moment, where he had no control of himself as we were all teens once, impressionable, and look how many other teens are sitting in prison, some on DR like a girl in TN. She went to prison at age 16 and now sits on TN death row for killing a girl she considered a rival. She blew her life up in five seconds, so did Billy, but at least he has a chance to redeem himself. Sooner or later he will be out, I just don't think keeping him locked up for another 10 years is going to bring closure here. Like I said the mastermind behind this horror is that evil witch and she should have been the first woman up at bat in NH for the DP, we were all hoping the DA would go for it, but LWPOP is good, I'll take it and not only that the only way she is leaving Bedford Hills is in a pine box and NH hates her guts and will never let her forget it and the reason why? The motive. Gregg cut his hair, wanted to work with his Dad, a rented condo and a dog, PLEASE!!!! There are women out there getting beat to an inch of their lives and if anyone has a motive to kill it would be them. She blew her life skyhigh over these foolish material things and sucked the life out of Gregg and Billy. I know Marcie I should be agreeing with you that he remains behind bars till his actual parole date, but I can't. No matter what he does, stay in till 2018, turn into a saint, Gregg is not coming back, he can't do that.

[JAC19]

I found this quote from Bill Flynn while I was researching this case further.

About 90 minutes later, Flynn and Randall returned back to Lattime's grandmother's 1977 tan four door Chevrolet Impala. Fowler recalls that Flynn and Randall spoke of the power that they had felt. "You should feel the power of killing a man, feel the gun, it's still hot."

Does this sound like someone who should be out of jail anytime soon? Not in my opinion !
I do not care how long ago it was, that is irrelevant.

[NHJen]

I don't think you should necessarily believe everything you read or hear when it comes to this case. Whatever anyone's feelings towards Bill Flynn are, he is, and has been entitled to ask the court for a sentence reduction hearing every two years since he became incarcerated. It is so easy for others to read something or watch something on tv and make an automatic judgment of someone they don't even know.

[JAC19]

It is pretty presumptuous of you to assume my facts are incorrect., when you have no idea who I am.

That being said, I understand he has a right to ask for early release. I believe he should stay in jail and do his time, the full sentence he was given. It is the least he can do, if he is so sorry and rehabilitated, then do the right thing, for once, finish out your sentence.

My prayers go out to the Smart family.

[NHJen]

I did not say that I thought your facts were incorrect, just that you shouldn't believe everything that you read and hear. Reason being is that I am personally connected to the case.

Like you, my heart also goes out to the Smart family.

[JAC19]

You can go to WMUR.COM to view the statement Bill Flynn and the Smart family gave when addressing the court, regarding his early release.

Dean Smarts appeal to the court was very moving, as you can see from his statement this horrible loss is still so very hard for them.

[Marcia3]

You can go to WMUR.COM to view the statement Bill Flynn and the Smart family gave when addressing the court, regarding his early release.

Dean Smarts appeal to the court was very moving, as you can see from his statement this horrible loss is still so very hard for them.

I saw the statements the other day and was impressed by all who made statements. I thought Bill Flynn was remorseful and genuinely feels sorrow and empathy for the Smart family. I was moved by Greg's father and brother; they obviously are still in much pain and made excellent points regarding the request for early release.

My opinion is that Bill should remain in prison until his scheduled release date. JMO

[TomB]

It seems to me that this is a repeat of the same tearful story we heard as a public some years ago. Bill ought to be sorry for his actions. He intentionally took another life. He admittedly attempted to do it at least two other times that we are aware of. Equally he got a 12 year break on his sentence to implicate Pam Smart. Why should he get another break? Because he has worked to help the survivors of Katrina, now has a wife, or has found God? Sorry I think it is intentionally selfish to assume that because he turned on the water works on cue a second time that we should feel the slightest bit of sympathy or grant leneincy to him on his works. He agree to a lesser sentence as did his cohorts to implicate Pam Smart as the sole mastermind of this whole murder. People forget that he bragged about the power he felt holding the gun and taking anothers life. Did we all forget that Ray Fowler was not allowed to testify and a gag order issued because his version of things conflicted with the others? I do not condone murder but Bill Flynn is not a vicitm. Gregg Smart was. Gregg and his family will never get back what has been lost back. Neither will the Wojas family. He took more then one life in this and should never be allowed to forget it. Neither should he get one day of a repreive of his sentence. He deserves exactly what he has gotten. Remember the Bible says, "Thou shall not kill". There is no excuse for cold calculated murder. Bill Flynn is not a vicitm what so ever. You made the bed so lie in it. He did the crime and agreed to his fate, now do the time.

[Marcia3]

It seems to me that this is a repeat of the same tearful story we heard as a public some years ago. Bill ought to be sorry for his actions. He intentionally took another life. He admittedly attempted to do it at least two other times that we are aware of. Equally he got a 12 year break on his sentence to implicate Pam Smart. Why should he get another break? Because he has worked to help the survivors of Katrina, now has a wife, or has found God? Sorry I think it is intentionally selfish to assume that because he turned on the water works on cue a second time that we should feel the slightest bit of sympathy or grant leneincy to him on his works. He agree to a lesser sentence as did his cohorts to implicate Pam Smart as the sole mastermind of this whole murder. People forget that he bragged about the power he felt holding the gun and taking anothers life. Did we all forget that Ray Fowler was not allowed to testify and a gag order issued because his version of things conflicted with the others? I do not condone murder but Bill Flynn is not a vicitm. Gregg Smart was. Gregg and his family will never get back what has been lost back. Neither will the Wojas family. He took more then one life in this and should never be allowed to forget it. Neither should he get one day of a repreive of his sentence. He deserves exactly what he has gotten. Remember the Bible says, "Thou shall not kill". There is no excuse for cold calculated murder. Bill Flynn is not a vicitm what so ever. You made the bed so lie in it. He did the crime and agreed to his fate, now do the time.

ITA, well said.

[JAC19]

Yes excellently put TomB, it is refreshing to see that others agree with me and this individual should do his time.

His statement was all about him (Bill Flynn), poor Bill, other people have tough childhoods but they don't kill people !!!!!

Do your time Bill Flynn, do the right thing for the sake of the family, that is all they are asking, no SPECIAL treatment for a murderer.

[JAC19]

It was just announced on WMUR.com that Bill Flynn was DENIED early release.

Here is an exerpt fromthe report on WMUR:

Judge Kenneth McHugh, in an order released Tuesday, said that upon reviewing all of the factors the case presents, he is compelled to find that 18 years in prison for the murder isn't enough. McHugh wrote that after hearing the expressions of hurt and anger from the Smart family at a hearing last month, the court suspects that even Flynn "in the deep recesses of his soul would agree."

McHugh said that Flynn's rehabilitation is not the issue, but the appropriate amount of prison time he has to serve. He determined that when Flynn has served 25 years in prison he will become eligible for parole once again

[Marcia3]

It was just announced on WMUR.com that Bill Flynn was DENIED early release.

Here is an exerpt fromthe report on WMUR:

Judge Kenneth McHugh, in an order released Tuesday, said that upon reviewing all of the factors the case presents, he is compelled to find that 18 years in prison for the murder isn't enough. McHugh wrote that after hearing the expressions of hurt and anger from the Smart family at a hearing last month, the court suspects that even Flynn "in the deep recesses of his soul would agree."

McHugh said that Flynn's rehabilitation is not the issue, but the appropriate amount of prison time he has to serve. He determined that when Flynn has served 25 years in prison he will become eligible for parole once again


Thank you for the update. I am relieved to know that the Smart family's words at the hearing for Flynn were not just heard, they were considered. ITA with this decision.

Thanks again!

[TomB]

Yes thanks for the update. It is good to hear that the judicial system has basis yet and is not swayed by the bleeding hearts that believe that a person who commits such a henious crime should be allowed an early release on merit and tears alone.

[enlightenme]

Boy, I have mixed feelings about this one! He was soooo young at the time and believed he was in love with Pamela. She convinced him that her husband was abusing her. She manipulated him BIG TIME.

I don't think teenagers brain pathways are fulled formed and their hormones are raging all over the place. He did an awful, horrid thing to take an innocent man's life. I felt for him on the stand during the trial and didn't feel like he was faking remorse then. I also do not think he would reoffend. Another 17 yrs. in prison may make him a jaded, hardened criminal.

I don't know, it's the Smart family's call to make. As long as they want the full sentence, who am I to agrue, even though my feelings are different. I wasn't there and didn't have my loved one gunned down in the prime of his life.

[Marcia3]

Boy, I have mixed feelings about this one! He was soooo young at the time and believed he was in love with Pamela. She convinced him that her husband was abusing her. She manipulated him BIG TIME.

I don't think teenagers brain pathways are fulled formed and their hormones are raging all over the place. He did an awful, horrid thing to take an innocent man's life. I felt for him on the stand during the trial and didn't feel like he was faking remorse then. I also do not think he would reoffend. Another 17 yrs. in prison may make him a jaded, hardened criminal.

I don't know, it's the Smart family's call to make. As long as they want the full sentence, who am I to agrue, even though my feelings are different. I wasn't there and didn't have my loved one gunned down in the prime of his life.

That is one of the most gracious posts I have seen on this subject. Most of us feel so strongly on one side of the issue or the other; I understand where you're coming from on Billy Flynn. I also think that the wishes of Greg Smart's family be kept in the forefront of any decisions on Billy's time in prison.

Just wanted to say how refreshing your post was...:)

[lilmiss1960]

Boy, I have mixed feelings about this one! He was soooo young at the time and believed he was in love with Pamela. She convinced him that her husband was abusing her. She manipulated him BIG TIME.

I don't think teenagers brain pathways are fulled formed and their hormones are raging all over the place. He did an awful, horrid thing to take an innocent man's life. I felt for him on the stand during the trial and didn't feel like he was faking remorse then. I also do not think he would reoffend. Another 17 yrs. in prison may make him a jaded, hardened criminal.

I don't know, it's the Smart family's call to make. As long as they want the full sentence, who am I to agrue, even though my feelings are different. I wasn't there and didn't have my loved one gunned down in the prime of his life.

EM, I agree with you 100%. I think he should have been released, but on a supervised kind of thing, maybe transfered to a half way house where he can get counseling and so on. IMO, Pamela Smart should have received the DP.
JMO.

[Jules100]

I think that Bill should have got the same sentence as Pam- he took someones life and should def pay for it. Everyone has choices and he chose to murder Gregg