Madeleine McCann Sightings

[One2Snoop]

Where is Maddie? I strongly believe she's alive - two sightings of this little girl within a short period of time is to coincidental IMO.

I SAW MADDY IN MOROCCO

DAILY EXPRESS - By James Murray, Investigations Editor - Sunday September 23,2007

A witness has told police he is 100 per cent certain that a little girl he saw in a Marrakesh hotel lobby was Madeleine McCann.

He saw her a few hundred yards from another “credible” sighting.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/19916

[dallasvic]

Where is Maddie? I strongly believe she's alive - two sightings of this little girl within a short period of time is to coincidental IMO.

I SAW MADDY IN MOROCCO

DAILY EXPRESS - By James Murray, Investigations Editor - Sunday September 23,2007

A witness has told police he is 100 per cent certain that a little girl he saw in a Marrakesh hotel lobby was Madeleine McCann.

He saw her a few hundred yards from another “credible” sighting.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/19916


Hi O2S,

I seen this the other day. Its great :rose:

[odette]

Madeleine 'spotted holding hands with Muslim woman in Morocco'

DAILY MAIL - Last updated at 14:46pm on 25th September 2007

Police have been told about a third sighting of Madeleine McCann in Morocco, it was claimed this afternoon.

A Spanish woman says she saw Madeleine holding the hand of a "Muslim woman" in a town in the north of the country at the end of May - almost four weeks after she went missing in Portugal.

She said a gust of wind blew up the brim of the girl's hat and she recognised her from pictures which were being circulated around the world.

Two people have previously reported seeing a girl who looked just like Madeleine in Marrakech six days after she disappeared while on holiday with her family on 3 May. .....

continued:
Madeleine 'spotted holding hands with Muslim woman in Morocco' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483856&in_page_id=1770)

[odette]

Second tourist 'saw Maddy in Morocco'

METRO - UK - Sunday, September 23, 2007

A second sighting in Morocco of a girl who looked like Madeleine McCann has been revealed.

A tourist from Yorkshire contacted police to notify them of seeing someone who looked similar to Madeleine outside the Ibis Hotel in Marrakech on May 9, it emerged yesterday.

A Norwegian tourist had already claimed to have seen a child like four-year-old Madeleine at a petrol station in the city on that day.

The Briton was unaware of this first sighting, meaning police now have two independent reports from the same place.

Details of the second sighting were passed on to the Portuguese and Moroccan authorities, and parents Kate and Gerry McCann, but not disclosed to the media until now. .....

Second tourist 'saw Maddy in Morocco' (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=67250&in_page_id=34)

[odette]

Interpol studies photo that could be of Madeleine ( Interpol estuda foto que poderia ser de Madeleine)

Google Translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnoticias.terra.com.br%2Fm undo%2Finterna%2F0%2C%2COI1936999-EI8142%2C00.html&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)

Original Web Page - noticias.terra.com
http://noticias.terra.com.br/mundo/interna/0,,OI1936999-EI8142,00.html

[odette]

'Stop the car, there's Madeleine': Witness sees her dragged by Muslim woman

DAILY MAIL - Last updated at 16:54pm on 25th September 2007

A Spanish mother told today how she is convinced she saw Madeleine McCann being dragged across a street in Morocco.

The potential witness believes she spotted the missing girl with a woman in a headscarf crossing a road in the northern town of Zaio in May.

She said she told her husband to stop the car. "I shouted 'Stop! It's Madeleine, the missing girl.' But by the time we pulled over and ran back to where she had crossed, they had both vanished."

Two people have previously reported seeing a girl who looked just like Madeleine in Marrakech six days after she disappeared while on holiday with her family on 3 May.

The woman who made the latest sighting also gave a description of a couple - a blonde woman with a man with black hair and dark skin who was aged around 45 - which matched that given by the two earlier witnesses.

The claim came as Gerry McCann spoke of his feeling of "encouragement" at a renewed focus on the hunt for his daughter and police in Leicestershire said there is not sufficient evidence to charge him or his wife Kate.

The new sighting in the town of Zaio was reported to Portuguese and Spanish police. The woman says she was told that Madeleine was presumed to be dead.

The woman, who does not want to be named, said she went to her local paper when she learned of the other Morocco sightings.

She said: "I'm sure I saw her as I have the image of the girl imprinted on my mind. I saw a Muslim woman holding a girl by the hand.

"The girl was wearing a skirt and short-sleeved top, with hat on and her hair tied up. A gust of wind blew up the hat and I saw that it was Madeleine McCann."

The first sighting in Morocco came from a British tourist who contacted police to say he saw a "lost-looking" young girl at a petrol station in Marrakesh.

His testimony was similar to that of Norwegian tourist Marie Pollard who claimed she was "100 per cent convinced" she saw Madeleine at the same spot. Moroccan authorities took almost a month to examine the CCTV footage from the petrol station, by which time they found it had been erased.

The Spanish woman, from Malilla, on the northern coast of Morocco, said she was driving with her husband in their 4x4 when the incident happened.

She said by the time she persuaded her husband to turn the vehicle around, the Muslim woman and girl had disappeared.

She added: "We went looking and asking in the town, and by chance we saw a blonde woman with a man with black hair, dark skin, around 45 years old and 1.7metres (5ft 5ins) tall.

"Those are the same descriptions offered by the British and Norwegian people who reported seeing the girl in Marrakech." .....

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'Stop the car, there's Madeleine': Witness sees her dragged by Muslim woman (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483856&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

http://i24.tinypic.com/m91vrq.jpg

[andU]

If, indeed, the last sighting is Maddie, it appears that the perp has made a huge loop in their travels. Wonder why they appear to be moving in the Portugal direction? I suspect if the perp sees a newspaper and realizes that the entire world is on the alert for Maddie, they may turn her loose and high tail it out of Dodge... at least I hope that is what they do. I'm not sure they could sell her if that was the original intention, because of the widespread of people looking for her, although the 'underground' may have deep & very dark connections (perhaps even within the different LE agencies?).

[odette]

'Madeleine photograph' being taken seriously

TELEGRAPH - By Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz - Last Updated: 6:47pm BST 25/09/2007

Interpol is taking seriously a photograph that claims to show missing Madeleine McCann in Morocco.

The image of a little blond-haired girl was taken by a Spanish couple while they were on holiday there at the end of August.

It shows a fair haired young girl accompanied by a number of Moroccan adults.

On returning home to Albacete in south east Spain, the couple passed the picture on to the Spanish National Police provincial headquarters in the city.

Government official Jose Herrero Arcas said the photograph had then been handed over to Interpol.

He said: “The National Police received a photograph by email taken by a young Spanish couple who believe it shows Madeleine McCann.

The quality of the photograph is not very clear, and it was taken from around 200 meters away.

“However, the National Police are taking the claim seriously enough to have sent it on to their colleagues at Interpol.”

The development is the fourth reported sighting of Madeleine in the north African country.

Kate and Gerry McCann are convinced that she was abducted and have always considered Morocco as one of the most likely places that she could have been taken.

The couple travelled to the country in June to highlight their four-year-old’s disappearance.

News of the picture came as detectives in Britain said they believed there was not enough evidence to bring charges against the little girl’s parents.

'Madeleine photograph' being taken seriously (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/25/nmaddy325.xml)

[One2Snoop]

It shows a fair haired young girl accompanied by a number of Moroccan adults.

I certainly hope they post this picture in hopes that someone might recognize these people or connect the location to someone they might know.

[odette]

I have posted this on the News Updates Thread but will put it here as well.

Interpol investigating Moroccan photograph which may show Madeleine McCann

typicallyspanish.com - By h.b. - Sep 25, 2007 - 8:20 PM

Interpol is investigating a photograph taken in Morocco to see whether it could be linked to the Madeleine McCann case, the British four year old girl who disappeared from a holiday home on the Algarve on May 3.

The picture shows a group of people in what appears to be rural costume, with a small girl which looks like Madeleine being carried on the back of one of them.

It was taken by some Spanish tourists from Albacete who were visiting Morocco, and the Albacete Government Sub Delegation office has confirmed that the picture has been sent on to the National Police, who in turn have sent it on to Interpol.

The news of the photograph comes on the same day that the Portuguese prosecutor, Joao Cunha de Magalhaes Menezes, has warned the Portugese body that without a body being found a prosecution in the case would be unlikely.

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_12674.shtml

http://i24.tinypic.com/5ocz2a
The picture was taken by some Spaniards visiting Morocco and clearly
shows a blonde haired girl, similar in appearance to Madeleine McCann,
the British four year old who went missing in Portugal in May

http://i24.tinypic.com/m8l9qp.jpg
Close up section

[One2Snoop]

You're amazing Odette! :rose: I looked around some for the pic but couldn't find it. Thank you! I think that little girl closely resembles Maddie.

[One2Snoop]

Photo's of Maddie....

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/news/original/0507/madeleine_mccann/Madeleine-McCann(1)200.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/4yhc5j8.jpg

http://www.gulf-times.com/mritems/images/2007/5/9/2_148313_1_248.jpg

[odette]

New photograph shows child like Madeleine McCann on African woman’s back

From The Times - David Brown in Praia da Luz and Patrick Foster - September 26, 2007

A new snatched picture purporting to be of Madeleine McCann in north Morocco that was published tonight has generated new momentum in the search for her.

Gerry and Kate McCann called for the picture, taken on August 31 by a Spanish tourist, to be fully investigated.

It is the fourth reported sighting of a girl fitting Madeleine’s description in Morocco since she disappeared on May 3.

Clara Torres, the tourist from Albacete, Spain, who took the photograph, said tonight that she had taken the picture to the British Embassy this morning and spoken to the McCanns’ lawyer.

She told the Spanish radio station COPE that as soon as she took the picture in Zinat on the road between Chaouen to Tetuan in north Morocco, she had thought of the missing toddler. When she returned to Spain they downloaded the photographs and contacted police in Albacete.

She night: “Although it’s not 100 per cent certain, there’s a strong possibility it could be Madeleine and if it is it could provide a twist to everything that has happened.” The radio station reported that the girl was being carried on the back of a north African woman. Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the McCanns, said: “This picture was brought to the attention of the relevant authorities as soon as we received it. Kate and Gerry are naturally very keen for it it to be thoroughly investigated as quickly as possible.” .....

continued:
New photograph shows child like Madeleine McCann on African woman’s back (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2533072.ece)

[odette]

Could the girl in this picture be Madeleine McCann?

DAILY MAIL - Last updated at 22:59pm on 25th September 2007

A photogaph of a small girl with striking facial similarities to Madeleine McCann in the clutches of a group of Moroccans was being studied by Interpol detectives last night.

The grainy image, taken only four weeks ago, shows a blonde youngster being carried on the back of a dark-skinned woman in traditional North African dress with companions carrying their worldly possessions along a dusty roadside near Tangiers.

It is the fourth reported sighting of Madeleine in Morocco, the first two having come only six days after she disappeared.

Her anguished parents last night insisted they would not raise their hopes until forensic analysis had strengthened or ruled out suspicions that it could be her.

But their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "They are aware of the picture and are very interested in it."

The picture was emailed to them and they spent several minutes studying it. Privately the couple are understood to think it could be her, but the poor quality of the image has meant they simply cannot say with any certainty. .....

continued:
Could the girl in this picture be Madeleine McCann? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483941&in_page_id=1811&ito=newsnow)

[One2Snoop]

WOW! I think this picture looks just like Maddie. Who are these people and what are they doing with Maddie? :confused: I don't see any blonde hair coming out from under this woman's scarf. Maybe it was gray hair. :shrug:

http://i20.tinypic.com/8y9s9s

[Sharon]

WOW! I think this picture looks just like Maddie. Who are these people and what are they doing with Maddie? :confused: I don't see any blonde hair coming out from under this woman's scarf. Maybe it was gray hair. :shrug:

http://i20.tinypic.com/8y9s9s

That is too weird!!! What would they be doing with a Westerner anyway? What would they be doing with Maddie if it is her????

I think the girl looks a little bit younger than 4 but its hard to tell. The hair does seem remarkably similar in style, texture and growth pattern from what you can tell??? I think it looks very much like Maddie....could it be her??? Did anyone appraoch these people??

[Jayelles]

It would be wonderful if it did turn out to ber her but it isn't unknown for people in North Africa to have fair hair.

[andU]

I have posted this on the News Updates Thread but will put it here as well.

Interpol investigating Moroccan photograph which may show Madeleine McCann

typicallyspanish.com - By h.b. - Sep 25, 2007 - 8:20 PM

Interpol is investigating a photograph taken in Morocco to see whether it could be linked to the Madeleine McCann case, the British four year old girl who disappeared from a holiday home on the Algarve on May 3.

The picture shows a group of people in what appears to be rural costume, with a small girl which looks like Madeleine being carried on the back of one of them.

It was taken by some Spanish tourists from Albacete who were visiting Morocco, and the Albacete Government Sub Delegation office has confirmed that the picture has been sent on to the National Police, who in turn have sent it on to Interpol.

The news of the photograph comes on the same day that the Portuguese prosecutor, Joao Cunha de Magalhaes Menezes, has warned the Portugese body that without a body being found a prosecution in the case would be unlikely.

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_12674.shtml

http://i24.tinypic.com/5ocz2a
The picture was taken by some Spaniards visiting Morocco and clearly
shows a blonde haired girl, similar in appearance to Madeleine McCann,
the British four year old who went missing in Portugal in May

http://i24.tinypic.com/m8l9qp.jpg
Close up section


I couldn't help but notice the difference in the attire of the woman (?) with the child from those other persons with her (?). He/She looks 'overdone' to me, and it makes him/her stand out from the others. Maybe I am too suspicious?

[oops]

WOW! I think this picture looks just like Maddie. Who are these people and what are they doing with Maddie? :confused: I don't see any blonde hair coming out from under this woman's scarf. Maybe it was gray hair. :shrug:

http://i20.tinypic.com/8y9s9s
Hi One2 Snoop,:)
I AGREE WITH YOU,
THE WAY THE LITTLE GIRL'S HAIR IS PARTED THE SAME WAY MADDIE'S IS ~~SHE IS A DEAD RINGER FOR MADDIE!
I saw this picture on Fox News this mornin and I think the 2 women in the pictures the one holding the little girl looks like a MAN,dressed as a peasant and so does the one behind them,in black and grey, it is a MAN not a woman.:shrug: I think it looks like little Maddie, I truly beleive this is MADDIE! According to FNC this mornin Morrocco is less then a hour or two from Portugal. But what strikes me as strange is that the Portugese authorites don't want to investigate it??:shrug:

[Louisadelmar]

It looks like the girl in the photo has a cowlick on the left side.

[andU]

Ok, so I am not the only person questioning the gender of the being that is carrying Maddie - good to know. Yes, the person beside ths being is masculine, but not as much as the other one, although I don't know that women of Africa are quite as tall as this person in the black background top. I just got a feeling of 'this is bogus' when I viewed the picture for the first time, something isn't ringing true about it.

[andU]

It looks like the girl in the photo has a cowlick on the left side.


Yeah, but ya know what? In most of the other shots I've seen when Maddie's hair was parted, it was parted on the opposite side, could that cause the cowlick effect?

[Jayelles]

Yeah, but ya know what? In most of the other shots I've seen when Maddie's hair was parted, it was parted on the opposite side, could that cause the cowlick effect?

Hair partings can be changed. In fact, altering the hair parting can make someone look slightly different.

[Louisadelmar]

Yeah, but ya know what? In most of the other shots I've seen when Maddie's hair was parted, it was parted on the opposite side, could that cause the cowlick effect?

I wondered about that. I did a google search of Madeleine's images and there is one photo of her in a red shirt that has a hint of a cowlick on the left side even though her bangs are hanging down evenly. I hope someone asks the McCanns about a cowlick.

[Jayelles]

SkyNews are reporting "unofficial reports" that the photo is not Maddie. That the girl in the photo has been traced and that she belongs to a local farming family.

"Unofficial" report mind you. Skynews has been spectacularly wrong before!

[oops]

SkyNews are reporting "unofficial reports" that the photo is not Maddie. That the girl in the photo has been traced and that she belongs to a local farming family.

"Unofficial" report mind you. Skynews has been spectacularly wrong before!
JAYELLES~~
I just heard on Fox News Edie Hill said The girl in the photo is NOT MADDIE they have interviewed her Mom and although she does have a striking resemblance to Maddie It IS NOT MADDIE. I don't know if I beleive that or not I am skeptical??:confused: You know they say everyone has a double in this world and she sure looks like Maddie doesn't she?? I am not sure if Edie Hill's(FNC) report is from SkyNews or not??

[Jayelles]

JAYELLES~~
I just heard on Fox News Edie Hill said The girl in the photo is NOT MADDIE they have interviewed her Mom and although she does have a striking resemblance to Maddie It IS NOT MADDIE. I don't know if I beleive that or not I am skeptical??:confused: You know they say everyone has a double in this world and she sure looks like Maddie doesn't she?? I am not sure if Edie Hill's(FNC) report is from SkyNews or not??


Thanks. It hasn't come on the news here yet. I suppose it was unlikely that whomever has her would display her so openly. It must be awful for Kate and Gerry when this kind of "break" happens.

[Jayelles]

It's just come on the BBC.

This is the little girl who was mistaken for Maddie:-

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44140000/jpg/_44140347_moroccans_afp203.jpg

[Zoey]

It's just come on the BBC.

This is the little girl who was mistaken for Maddie:-

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44140000/jpg/_44140347_moroccans_afp203.jpg


Not to be a doubting Thomas, but how did the little girl's hair part change between the two pictures?

[JBRnotforgotten]

good one . I also wandered the same thing

[andU]

It's just come on the BBC.

This is the little girl who was mistaken for Maddie:-

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44140000/jpg/_44140347_moroccans_afp203.jpg

Much better picture; I can see it isn't her in this one.

[Portabella]

This is smelling of a hoax, not only is the part different, hair length appears different and most of all the childs nose is different, Smells fishy and I think its a hoax, not the same child or pictures were doctored....:flamemad: :cuss: :flamemad: :cuss:

[andU]

This is smelling of a hoax, not only is the part different, hair length appears different and most of all the childs nose is different, Smells fishy and I think its a hoax, not the same child or pictures were doctored....:flamemad: :cuss: :flamemad: :cuss:

I think I agree; the child in the first shot looks older and more like Maddie.

[Zoey]

This is smelling of a hoax, not only is the part different, hair length appears different and most of all the childs nose is different, Smells fishy and I think its a hoax, not the same child or pictures were doctored....:flamemad: :cuss: :flamemad: :cuss:


Also, look at the knot on the carrier going across the lady (?) in the second picture. There is no knot in the first picture, as far as what I can see. The first picture shows more of a strap, as opposed to what appears to be material knotted in the clearer picture. IMO.

[Jayelles]

I don't think there's any doubt that this is the same child. Look here at this better picture and you can see how the wind is blowing her rather fine hair all over the place.

Acording to the news bulletin that is her grandFATHER who is carrying her! However he is wearing a woman's blouse with shoulder pads so I'm not so sure.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00213/akchar_213057a.jpg

[Jayelles]

There's another photo here where the grandfather appears to be trying to get the little girl to look at the camera:-

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/moroccan-picture-its-not-madeleine.html

[Zoey]

I don't think there's any doubt that this is the same child. Look here at this better picture and you can see how the wind is blowing her rather fine hair all over the place.

Acording to the news bulletin that is her grandFATHER who is carrying her! However he is wearing a woman's blouse with shoulder pads so I'm not so sure.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00213/akchar_213057a.jpg


That is one big-breasted grandpa, IMO!

[Jayelles]

That is one big-breasted grandpa, IMO!

I daresay a gynecomastia would be low in the priorites not to mention outwith the budget of a Moroccan peasant farmer.

[andU]

I don't think there's any doubt that this is the same child. Look here at this better picture and you can see how the wind is blowing her rather fine hair all over the place.

Acording to the news bulletin that is her grandFATHER who is carrying her! However he is wearing a woman's blouse with shoulder pads so I'm not so sure.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00213/akchar_213057a.jpg

I thought the person appeared to be very masculine, but the chest appears to be that of a female.....

[andU]

Ok, I concede, it is the same child as the original or first photo. But this grandpa has some very female characteristics, notice the hands...

[Jayelles]

I thought the person appeared to be very masculine, but the chest appears to be that of a female.....

The webpage (link above) which printed the photos has published a correction to say that it's not her grandfather but her father. The names have also been changed. How odd!

[andU]

The webpage (link above) which printed the photos has published a correction to say that it's not her grandfather but her father. The names have also been changed. How odd!

That is odd! I was buying this person being an older man; perhaps her grandfather. I don't know if I can agree to it being her father.

[Jayelles]

Ok, I concede, it is the same child as the original or first photo. But this grandpa has some very female characteristics, notice the hands...

Go to the link I posted above and look at the other photo of the little girl. I think the father's hands look a bit more masculine/veiny in it.

[andU]

Go to the link I posted above and look at the other photo of the little girl. I think the father's hands look a bit more masculine/veiny in it.

Yeah, you are right... looks younger too in that photo.

[andU]

I am disapointed; I can only imagine how Maddie's parents must feel!

[Jayelles]

I am disapointed; I can only imagine how Maddie's parents must feel!

Oh I know andU. It's so disappointing. Having said that, it was a great show for the Spanish girl to take the photo and get it to the right people. I think it's important we don't lose sight of that. That's all it would take for a happy outcome.

[Zoey]

The webpage (link above) which printed the photos has published a correction to say that it's not her grandfather but her father. The names have also been changed. How odd!

I promise to stop with the questions after this one. The first photograph was taken by a lady on vacation, which she just recently downloaded the one photo of the little girl. She says clearly in the interview I just watched with Matt Lauer that she had the one photo is all. If she took just the one photo, who took the clear photo? Who took the one with the little girl sitting on the hip of her grandfather/father?? First photo was taken the end of August. Was the clear photo just recently taken??

Okay, that was more than one question, sorry.

[Jayelles]

I promise to stop with the questions after this one. The first photograph was taken by a lady on vacation, which she just recently downloaded the one photo of the little girl. She says clearly in the interview I just watched with Matt Lauer that she had the one photo is all. If she took just the one photo, who took the clear photo? Who took the one with the little girl sitting on the hip of her grandfather/father?? First photo was taken the end of August. Was the clear photo just recently taken??

Okay, that was more than one question, sorry.

I was thinking about this too. I think the blurry photo is the only one taken with the cellphone by the Spanish lady. I believe all the others were taken by the journalists who tracked the family down and were probably taken today. One of them has the father seemingly trying to get the little girl to look at the camera.

The fact that the father is wearing the same clothes doesn't really mean anything as he may not have many clothes.

[Zoey]

I was thinking about this too. I think the blurry photo is the only one taken with the cellphone by the Spanish lady. I believe all the others were taken by the journalists who tracked the family down and were probably taken today. One of them has the father seemingly trying to get the little girl to look at the camera.

The fact that the father is wearing the same clothes doesn't really mean anything as he may not have many clothes.

So is it even remotely possible that the first photo really is Maddie? Could there be two little girls with this family? I know I am grasping at straws here, but the two pictures, in my opinion, are not showing the same little girl.

[JBRnotforgotten]

i agree maybe the photo is not a good one but they dont resemble at all the little girl dont for sure...

[One2Snoop]

Just catching up. How disappointing. :( I was hoping this lead was going to pan out somehow, someway resulting in Maddie being found.

For the McCann's :rose:

[dallasvic]

I agree. The first pic of the girl the hair part and the sleeve of her shirt is longer in the first one then the second.

[Moms4Justice]

In my opinion something "fishy" is going on concerning this photo. :confused:

Sorry If this has already been answered but can someone please explain to me how a blonde fair skinned child can be born to a family of Berbers which is Morocco's second-largest ethnic group but does not look anything like the other family members?? This may not be Madeliene but they would have to show me some DNA test results before I believed this little girl biologically belonged to them! IMO of course.:rolleyes:

Another thing, anyone see a resemblance in the older child that is walking in front and Denise Pipitone, a little girl that was abducted at age 4 (just like Maddy) from Italy on 1/9/2004?

http://www.cerchiamodenise.org/cronaca.htm

[Moms4Justice]

Yeah, but ya know what? In most of the other shots I've seen when Maddie's hair was parted, it was parted on the opposite side, could that cause the cowlick effect?

Unfortunately the media chooses to edit photo's to accommodate their websites thus (in my opinion) causing the confusion about Madeleine's part/cowlick.
In most photo editing programs there is a photo option that performs an edit called "flip". You can flip the photo horizontally or vertically. I will attach some I did with my photo program.
ORIGINAL
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/madeleine2.jpg
FLIPPED HORIZONTALLY
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/madeleine2flipped.jpg

ORIGINAL http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/madeleine.jpg

FLIPPED http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/flip.jpg

As you can see...who knows what side her "Real" part/cowlick is on?! And it's also possible she has a double cowlick and her part depends on how her hair was dried. But my personal opinion is that her strongest cowlick is on the left.

[Moms4Justice]

I don't think there's any doubt that this is the same child. Look here at this better picture and you can see how the wind is blowing her rather fine hair all over the place.

Acording to the news bulletin that is her grandFATHER who is carrying her! However he is wearing a woman's blouse with shoulder pads so I'm not so sure.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00213/akchar_213057a.jpg

This is obviously a woman! Funny to me that a "reporter" claims they are 100% positive that although this child looks like Maddie it is not BUT they can't tell the difference between a male and female!!! :flamemad:

[Moms4Justice]

OH MY MY MY!!

I promise to shut up after this!! For a little while anyway!
In the "correction" part it says Bouchra is with HIS father. Are they saying the child in question is a BOY now????

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/moroccan-picture-its-not-madeleine.html

[Jayelles]

OH MY MY MY!!

I promise to shut up after this!! For a little while anyway!
In the "correction" part it says Bouchra is with HIS father. Are they saying the child in question is a BOY now????

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/moroccan-picture-its-not-madeleine.html

I noticed that too but I put it down to a language error by Paul Reis who isn't English. If you read his articles, the English isn't perfect. Sometimes I'm not even certain what he means.

[Moms4Justice]

I noticed that too but I put it down to a language error by Paul Reis who isn't English. If you read his articles, the English isn't perfect. Sometimes I'm not even certain what he means.

Thanks & Your right. After I read it again the sentence right before that one refers to the child as a girl.
There is no way for us to know anything remotely close to truth with the way it's being reported. As usual, so I don't know why I expected anything otherwise. :shrug:

:rose: For Madeleine

[Jayelles]

Unfortunately the media chooses to edit photo's to accommodate their websites thus (in my opinion) causing the confusion about Madeleine's part/cowlick.
In most photo editing programs there is a photo option that performs an edit called "flip". You can flip the photo horizontally or vertically. I will attach some I did with my photo program.
ORIGINAL
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/madeleine2.jpg
FLIPPED HORIZONTALLY
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/madeleine2flipped.jpg

ORIGINAL http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/madeleine.jpg

FLIPPED http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/9/7/1414815/flip.jpg

As you can see...who knows what side her "Real" part/cowlick is on?! And it's also possible she has a double cowlick and her part depends on how her hair was dried. But my personal opinion is that her strongest cowlick is on the left.

I wondered whether the "sighting" photo had been flipped. However, I did some investigating and it transpired that the photo had been taken from a car and they drive on the right hand side of the road in Morocco. In the image you can see the left hand side of the road quite clearly so that convinced me that the "sighting" photo hadn't been flipped.

[Jayelles]

In my opinion something "fishy" is going on concerning this photo. :confused:

Sorry If this has already been answered but can someone please explain to me how a blonde fair skinned child can be born to a family of Berbers which is Morocco's second-largest ethnic group but does not look anything like the other family members?? This may not be Madeliene but they would have to show me some DNA test results before I believed this little girl biologically belonged to them! IMO of course.:rolleyes:

Another thing, anyone see a resemblance in the older child that is walking in front and Denise Pipitone, a little girl that was abducted at age 4 (just like Maddy) from Italy on 1/9/2004?

http://www.cerchiamodenise.org/cronaca.htm

The Moroccans are a fairly mixed race. Some of them are olive skinned and quite arab in appearance and other are very black and african in appearance. Years ago, there were settlers from Europe. I know that some of the North Africans (same as the Spaniards and Italians) are quite light-skinned and fair haired. We don't know what the little girl's mother looks like. Also you can get throwbacks. My own family are very dark and mediterranean looking but one of my grandmothers had red hair and there are quite a few red heads in each branch of the family.

[Moms4Justice]

The Moroccans are a fairly mixed race. Some of them are olive skinned and quite arab in appearance and other are very black and african in appearance. Years ago, there were settlers from Europe. I know that some of the North Africans (same as the Spaniards and Italians) are quite light-skinned and fair haired. We don't know what the little girl's mother looks like. Also you can get throwbacks. My own family are very dark and mediterranean looking but one of my grandmothers had red hair and there are quite a few red heads in each branch of the family.

Red hair is a very dominating feature/gene as with dark hair, skin & eyes. There is always exceptions of course and her Mother's decent would matter. I still find it strange that she looks nothing like anyone else in the photo.

I read in one of the links provided in a post that her family were "Berbers". I will find the link and post it.

[Moms4Justice]

I wondered whether the "sighting" photo had been flipped. However, I did some investigating and it transpired that the photo had been taken from a car and they drive on the right hand side of the road in Morocco. In the image you can see the left hand side of the road quite clearly so that convinced me that the "sighting" photo hadn't been flipped.

I agree the "sighting" photo is not flipped. It is also my opinion it has not been altered or edited other than being cropped and maybe sharpened a little. I think Madeleine's pictures are often flipped depending on where and how they are being used. IMO

[Jayelles]

I just bought the daily papers and there are more photos of the little girl and the person carrying her wasn't her grandfather... or her father.... but her mother. There is one family photo showing her with her mother and father and the father is very dark but the mother looks quite fair. If I get time later on I'll scan it.

Just goes to show once again that the media just keeps getting it wrong.

[Jayelles]

Here's the photo which is online at the Daily Mail. You can see the mother's face quite clearly here:-

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/notmaddyDM2609_228x437.jpg

[andU]

I noticed that too but I put it down to a language error by Paul Reis who isn't English. If you read his articles, the English isn't perfect. Sometimes I'm not even certain what he means.

Also, I learned that many times Spanish boys names end in 'o' while girls names end with 'a'...(not always, mind you)

[rashomon]

Red hair is a very dominating feature/gene as with dark hair, skin & eyes. There is always exceptions of course and her Mother's decent would matter. I still find it strange that she looks nothing like anyone else in the photo.

I read in one of the links provided in a post that her family were "Berbers". I will find the link and post it.
The (non-Arabic) Berbers are an ethnic group who lived in Northern Africa before the Arab conquest, and unlike the Arabs, they often have fair hair and eyes.

jmc

[Moms4Justice]

The (non-Arabic) Berbers are an ethnic group who lived in Northern Africa before the Arab conquest, and unlike the Arabs, they often have fair hair and eyes.

jmc

Thank You for that information. This is an area I'm not very educated in.

:rose: For Madeleine

[dallasvic]

Thank You for that information. This is an area I'm not very educated in.

:rose: For Madeleine


Hi M4J,

thats ok:D Glad to have you posting in the Maddie forum. If you have and doubts just do a google search and you can find out alot of things or PM me and I will try to help. Maddie needs you. You will get the hang of things.

[Moms4Justice]

:patriot: Thanks Dallas!

Hi M4J,

thats ok:D Glad to have you posting in the Maddie forum. If you have and doubts just do a google search and you can find out alot of things or PM me and I will try to help. Maddie needs you. You will get the hang of things.

[WarmNCozy]

Here's the photo which is online at the Daily Mail. You can see the mother's face quite clearly here:-

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/notmaddyDM2609_228x437.jpg

Thanks for the picture, Jayelles! I was so hoping that Maddy had been found. Can see some resemblance to her in that little girl. I keep praying for her safe return.

[Jayelles]

In the photo which is in today's paper, you can see very clearly that although the little girl has blonde hair, her eyes are very dark. I'm sure I read somewhere that the eyes are more important to skin pigment than the hair. i.e. you could have two blondes - one with blue eyes and one with brown eyes and the blue-eyed blonde would have much fairer and sensitive skin than the brown-eyed blonde.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? Biology isn't my forte.

[bullmoose]

In the photo which is in today's paper, you can see very clearly that although the little girl has blonde hair, her eyes are very dark. I'm sure I read somewhere that the eyes are more important to skin pigment than the hair. i.e. you could have two blondes - one with blue eyes and one with brown eyes and the blue-eyed blonde would have much fairer and sensitive skin than the brown-eyed blonde.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? Biology isn't my forte.

My wife is a redhead with blue eyes; her sister has very nearly the same hair color, but has brown eyes and can tolerate the sun fairly well; whereas my wife cannot tan at all she only burns, they call her a type four skin type, she has to stay covered in the sun or pay the price. So I would guess the same would apply to blond-haired people also. JMHO:seeya:

[rashomon]

My wife is a redhead with blue eyes; her sister has very nearly the same hair color, but has brown eyes and can tolerate the sun fairly well; whereas my wife cannot tan at all she only burns, they call her a type four skin type, she has to stay covered in the sun or pay the price. So I would guess the same would apply to blond-haired people also.
You are right about that. Blond-haired people with brown eyes tan more easily than those with blue or green eyes.

jmo

[odette]

Madeleine IS in Morocco, says British tourist

dailymail.co.uk - Last updated at 09:36am on 1st October 2007

A British tourist claims she saw missing Madeleine McCann in Morocco two months after the little girl disappeared.

Samantha Peart, 43, says she saw a young blonde girl with an Arabic woman in a village in the north of the country.

The mother-of-four reported the sighting to local police after she returned from holiday and the information was passed on to Portuguese detectives.

But she has heard nothing since.

The sighting was not far from another by a Spanish tourist.

Meanwhile, Gerry and Kate McCann wrapped their arms around each other yesterday after being comforted by their priest 150 years after their daughter vanished.

During an emotional service Father Keith Tomlinson said: "We pray for Madeleine and her family."

And a special Rosary prayer was dedicated to the four-year-old.

Last week the McCanns were left "heartbroken" after the most promising sighting so far proved false.

But this new sighting in Morocco could give them new hope. .....

continued
Madeleine IS in Morocco, says British tourist (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484942&in_page_id=1770)

[Eagle1]

You're amazing Odette! :rose: I looked around some for the pic but couldn't find it. Thank you! I think that little girl closely resembles Maddie.

In the enlarged closeup, the eyes really do look like Maddie's! Until now I wasn't at all sure this child looked old enough.

[Eagle1]

Much better picture; I can see it isn't her in this one.

I've always thought this little girl looks a little too young, and her eyes aren't large enough. But there have been other sightings, the Norwegian woman and the unrelated man at the hotel-petrol station, the dragging (literally dragging or just a figure of speech?) and maybe there will be more.

Probably they would take her someplace else after hearing of these reports. The search shouldn't be confined to just those areas.

[Eagle1]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Norwegian woman and the English man who said they saw a little girl like Maddie at a gas station would give detailed descriptions of the man for a forensics artist?

If she was brought to Morocco, we'd expect it to be by ferry, not to Marrakesch (sp?) farther down the ocean, not the Mediterranean, coast, where the gas station was, but maybe they were trying to make it harder for anyone tracking them or had to make contact with someone there, or.....?

[Eagle1]

'Stop the car, there's Madeleine': Witness sees her dragged by Muslim woman

DAILY MAIL - Last updated at 16:54pm on 25th September 2007

A Spanish mother told today how she is convinced she saw Madeleine McCann being dragged across a street in Morocco.

The potential witness believes she spotted the missing girl with a woman in a headscarf crossing a road in the northern town of Zaio in May.

She said she told her husband to stop the car. "I shouted 'Stop! It's Madeleine, the missing girl.' But by the time we pulled over and ran back to where she had crossed, they had both vanished."

Two people have previously reported seeing a girl who looked just like Madeleine in Marrakech six days after she disappeared while on holiday with her family on 3 May.

The woman who made the latest sighting also gave a description of a couple - a blonde woman with a man with black hair and dark skin who was aged around 45 - which matched that given by the two earlier witnesses.

The claim came as Gerry McCann spoke of his feeling of "encouragement" at a renewed focus on the hunt for his daughter and police in Leicestershire said there is not sufficient evidence to charge him or his wife Kate.

The new sighting in the town of Zaio was reported to Portuguese and Spanish police. The woman says she was told that Madeleine was presumed to be dead.

The woman, who does not want to be named, said she went to her local paper when she learned of the other Morocco sightings.

She said: "I'm sure I saw her as I have the image of the girl imprinted on my mind. I saw a Muslim woman holding a girl by the hand.

"The girl was wearing a skirt and short-sleeved top, with hat on and her hair tied up. A gust of wind blew up the hat and I saw that it was Madeleine McCann."

The first sighting in Morocco came from a British tourist who contacted police to say he saw a "lost-looking" young girl at a petrol station in Marrakesh.

His testimony was similar to that of Norwegian tourist Marie Pollard who claimed she was "100 per cent convinced" she saw Madeleine at the same spot. Moroccan authorities took almost a month to examine the CCTV footage from the petrol station, by which time they found it had been erased.

The Spanish woman, from Malilla, on the northern coast of Morocco, said she was driving with her husband in their 4x4 when the incident happened.

She said by the time she persuaded her husband to turn the vehicle around, the Muslim woman and girl had disappeared.

She added: "We went looking and asking in the town, and by chance we saw a blonde woman with a man with black hair, dark skin, around 45 years old and 1.7metres (5ft 5ins) tall.

"Those are the same descriptions offered by the British and Norwegian people who reported seeing the girl in Marrakech." .....

..... continued:
'Stop the car, there's Madeleine': Witness sees her dragged by Muslim woman (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483856&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

http://i24.tinypic.com/m91vrq.jpg

So why is the woman going back and forth so much, with maybe more than one little blond girl? Anyone have any ideas?

Nice map.

[Eagle1]

According to the Updates thread, the latest sighting seems to be in Boznia, quite a distance from Morocco.

Could we have our map expert post one for that? Our school geography classes 60 yrs ago don't help us too much any more.

Could there be several little girls being held by this apparent gang? Vaon Aesch, whose van had been parked in front of the McCanns' apartment for 10 days, "at least", had killed a little Swedish girl 5 yrs old. He'd be one of the gang and did they suicide him for some mistake, maybe for letting his van be recognized for so long in front of the McCanns'? The by-stander who was shot and hospitalized said after his release that he was shot by a DIFFERENT gun than Von Aesch was shot with.

The Moroccan official could be so adamant that Maddie's not there because maybe he knew she was being transferred out of there? If this was maddie in Boznia, was she struggling because she'd gotten used to the middle aged woman and now was in the custody of a strange couple, new to her?

Why do the custodians take her out so much where she can be sighted??? If exercise is the motive, surely they could think of a safer way to manage that. It's almost like they want to be seen. Taunting us?

[Eagle1]

As usual, whenever there's a sighting, even when the conscientious witness heard the little girl saying "I want my daddy!" and saw her being shoved into the back seat of a car with a man's hand over her mouth, and even though he had the presence of mind to take down the license number, authorities say it was a native child with her real parents.

With all the accusations about corruption, doesn't this sound like a very possible coverup? But why?

Gerry is reputed to be very high profile, and if someone's trying to blackmail him to do something in government by holding his child hostage, how could he not have any idea who it is?

For all we know, if Maddie's alive, and I tend to believe she is (there've been so many sightings) her time may be running out!

There's gotta be some better brains than mine here. Try to think of something please? If my ideas aren't laughed at, surely yours won't be.

It wouldn't be a mind control experiment to find out how long it takes to "turn" a child so young, because there's plenty of children they could study in the adoption system, right? I give up, at least for now. We need someone really smart to step up to the plate.

[margaritaville]

For all we know, if Maddie's alive, and I tend to believe she is (there've been so many sightings) her time may be running out!




I'm sorry, but do you honestly believe that if she was kidnapped they would be out parading her around on the streets?

Do you really believe that after the "first" sighting that they would keep bringing her out? It is published in all the papers every time there is a "sighting".

I believe they are not Maddie..They are little girls with blonde hair that look like her...

Kidnappers are not that stupid that they would risk being caught by running around town daily with the little kidnapped girl.

IMHO

[andU]

I'm sorry, but do you honestly believe that if she was kidnapped they would be out parading her around on the streets?

Do you really believe that after the "first" sighting that they would keep bringing her out? It is published in all the papers every time there is a "sighting".

I believe they are not Maddie..They are little girls with blonde hair that look like her...

Kidnappers are not that stupid that they would risk being caught by running around town daily with the little kidnapped girl.

IMHO

I think the early sightings could have been Maddie. But, I don't think the ones being reported now are. The cultural and political differences have really taken their toll in this case.

[Eagle1]

I'm sorry, but do you honestly believe that if she was kidnapped they would be out parading her around on the streets?

Do you really believe that after the "first" sighting that they would keep bringing her out? It is published in all the papers every time there is a "sighting".

I believe they are not Maddie..They are little girls with blonde hair that look like her...

Kidnappers are not that stupid that they would risk being caught by running around town daily with the little kidnapped girl.

IMHO

Possibly you can recall that I have kept asking why they would be parading her on the streets, so thanks for calling attention to my question.

Just maybe because they had this foolproof plan to always say the sightings are wrong by supplying a similar child who's a native of the place. In the Ramsey case there was game-playing, as if someone wanted to see if he could fool us all. He's probably still around.

Crazy and sick, I know, but so is this whole thing.

It's almost the anniversary of the JFK assasination again, Nov. 22 or 23,
and wasn't that case just as crazy? We had a TV movie one year with Oswald telling a girlfriend he might not come out of something alive, that was coming up. Didn't tell her what. He probably didn't really think he would get shot. Probably "they" told him they'd save him. Whoever "they" might be. Ever since Dallas, we'd been bombarded with propaganda about "the C word", that there's no such thing and that it's paranoid to even think of it, so, there it is. Almost no Americans believe Oswald did it. If he'd been guilty probably he wouldn't have been killed. Like in the case of also-left-handed Helgoth. Oswald was left handed, right? Not that it has anything to do with anything, probably.

Sure there are lots of little girls who look pretty much alike, everybody knows, but if Maddie's alive, and I like to believe she is, "they" who've taken her obviously knew and counted on that. Could it be the same ones who plotted Dallas and thought they could outlaw a word?

I tend to believe the Bosnia man, who asked to remain anonymous, so he was not just trying to get 15 min of fame. I believe he heard her yell "I want my daddy!" with a British accent.

Notice I'm not sitting in the seat of the scornful about what you can read, tabloids or whatever, have at it! We need to sow respect if we want to reap a bountiful harvest of it. The truth may eventually be among them. I sure hope we'll get it. Bit of humor here, Probably it's not the teachers' union taking a hostage, finally fed up with our kids, right? I've also said probably they're not studying how and why kids adapt, because there would be a plentiful supply in the adoption business, correct? Those are the two dumb ideas. It's up to those of you with some brains to come up with the right solution, that even LE haven't thought of. How's that for a challenge?

We can't afford to waste time speculating that she's dead. She may not be and every second may count.

[margaritaville]

Just maybe because they had this foolproof plan to always say the sightings are wrong by supplying a similar child who's a native of the place. In the Ramsey case there was game-playing, as if someone wanted to see if he could fool us all. He's probably still around.

I've also said probably they're not studying how and why kids adapt, because there would be a plentiful supply in the adoption business, correct? Those are the two dumb ideas. It's up to those of you with some brains to come up with the right solution, that even LE haven't thought of. How's that for a challenge?

We can't afford to waste time speculating that she's dead. She may not be and every second may count.
How are you going to possibly come up with the "reason" she was kidnapped before you come up with the "who" kidnapped her?

I guess, you COULD be right about any of those reasons.
OR..

Maybe she was kidnapped for...

1.) pedophile
2.) fulfill a woman's dream of being a mom
3.) ransom
4.) to sell

Whatever reason you come up with isn't getting you any closer to finding her.

If she was kidnapped because a woman wanted a daughter and couldn't have one...Where would you look??

If it was a pedophile...Where would you look?

If it was for a ransom and they haven't contacted the McCann's..Where would you look?

If she was to be sold..Where would you look?

Do you think that there are "special" places to look due to the scenario for why she was kidnapped?

You are wasting your time... You are never going to know why she was kidnapped until she is found. It doesn't change the geographical location of where she would be.....



IMHO

[Eagle1]

You came up with one new idea, that some childless woman might have her. True. That's possible. Remember I just invited everyone to come up with some new idea and be smarter than I am. You did it. That's one.

Hope I will not ever be forced to report the other poster's extreme rudeness that I never reply to. I never have wanted to get anybody in trouble, even a demerit, and have been complimented for kindness a lot.

Don't know why they seemed to be taking Maddie out in public so much, to just amuse her/exercise her, maybe, but if they keep it up some kind of noticeable pattern may develop. We may need a heads up to be watching for it.

Sometimes criminals seem to want to prove they can outsmart the public, sort of a game, and they'd know people realize many little girls that age look similar, may think we can be talked out of any hope. I admit I don't get so involved in most cases, but something about this little girl's wide-open innocent eyes, and the way she wasn't protected grabs me.

If all the sightings are true, that 60-yr old woman seemed to have had her long enough to show no childless woman was going to adopt her, I suppose. Von Aesch seemed to be a pedophile, parked near the McCanns for quite a while. But way to go; at least someone thought of something new.

Editing to add for everyone in general that when JFK was killed, a girlfriend was in the hospital having a new baby, and I was babysitting, had her two and my two but we all took notice and will never forget.