Simpson's Porn video

[William Anthony]

Did anyone see the video of Simpson with his girlfriend and another woman? It is said that a mafia boss paid Simpson a hundred grand for the video, but Simpson disconnected the video and kept the hundred grand. The talking heads are talking income tax evasion charges. I saw the video and Simpson and it appeared that Simpson and a woman were naked in the video. However, the producer admitted that the video was doctored, but maintained it was Simpson naked. The producer claimed Simpson kept the hundred grand. I saw this on Fox News last evening. I find it curious that the video and the producer made these comments at the time Vegas is laying odds on Simpson's conviction. I do not think it possible for Simpson to receive a fair trial on the new charges given the publicity on the trial and other things.

[William Anthony]

I have found a link to this video but was surprised to see that that the date of the article was June, 2006. I do not know if Fox was airing some old program on the tape. IIRC, the video was aired on Geraldo on Fox yesterday. It might have been an airing of a previously recorded show. If this is not new information, then I will contact FW and ask her to delete the thread.

[martin II]

I have found a link to this video but was surprised to see that that the date of the article was June, 2006. I do not know if Fox was airing some old program on the tape. IIRC, the video was aired on Geraldo on Fox yesterday. It might have been an airing of a previously recorded show. If this is not new information, then I will contact FW and ask her to delete the thread.

WILLIAM

If this is the same video i saw last year, the skinny on that was that oj was asked to come to the room. he was taped comming into the room. when he saw the naked women in the room he left, and a oj look alike was then taped
on a bed with the woman. It was suggested that the video of oj comming in the room was aded to the one with the look alike in the bed but from the one i saw, the face of the look alike on the bed was not shown so it was difficult to say it was oj on the bed.:confused: :confused:

martin II

[William Anthony]

WILLIAM

If this is the same video i saw last year, the skinny on that was that oj was asked to come to the room. he was taped comming into the room. when he saw the naked women in the room he left, and a oj look alike was then taped
on a bed with the woman. It was suggested that the video of oj comming in the room was aded to the one with the look alike in the bed but from the one i saw, the face of the look alike on the bed was not shown so it was difficult to say it was oj on the bed.:confused: :confused:

martin II

I honestly do not know, as I was studying and happened to catch it. There were two women in the video and it was said that one of them was his girlfriend. I have heard nothing more about the video today. I have sent Freshwater a PM to see, if this is new information. Perhaps, it is the old tape with new allegations being made and new parts being shown. I am confused also. In this version I saw, unless it was the look-alike, Simpson was naked. Simpson or the look-akike sat on the couch and talked with one of the women while the other paraded around in front of him clothed at first. I do not think he would have been stupid enough to do the same thing twice. I find it curious that Fox would air this, if it is old, at this time. I am more confused than ever. Was Simpson or the look-alike and at least one woman naked in the video you saw?

[Jayme K]

Oh my God, we're talking Simpson porn ... with apparent interest!!

WOAH!

[tvdinner]

Oh my God, we're talking Simpson porn ... with apparent interest!!

WOAH!Jayme, are we talking Simpson porn or Simpson look-a-like porn? Inquiring minds want to know. :tongue:

[Jayme K]

Jayme, are we talking Simpson porn or Simpson look-a-like porn? Inquiring minds want to know. :tongue:

I don't know, but the very fact that William is studying the video so indepthly gives me cause for concern!!!

[William Anthony]

I don't know, but the very fact that William is studying the video so indepthly gives me cause for concern!!!

The fact that it is being reported at the time of the new incident is what causes me concern. Also, I am not studying the video but speaking of the fact, that, if this was old, why would it be brought up at this time in regard to his ability to receive a fair trial and the fact that he reportedly took money from the mob, which he was not entiltled too. I am questioning timing and the vegas connection to the new incident. I think to blindly accept facts without, at least, questioning the reasons behind and the implications of them is cause for concern. I think that you need not worry so much about what William is studying, unless you are volunteering to assist me with my school work, :).

[martin II]

The fact that it is being reported at the time of the new incident is what causes me concern. Also, I am not studying the video but speaking of the fact, that, if this was old, why would it be brought up at this time in regard to his ability to receive a fair trial and the fact that he reportedly took money from the mob, which he was not entiltled too. I am questioning timing and the vegas connection to the new incident. I think to blindly accept facts without, at least, questioning the reasons behind and the implications of them is cause for concern. I think that you need not worry so much about what William is studying, unless you are volunteering to assist me with my school work, :).

:beer: :beer: :beer:

martin II

[socaldiva]

:beer: :beer:

martin II

I don't know what you are cheering. The information relative to the video is quite old & definitely preceeded Orenthal's Vegas stint, hence no "tie in" ;)

[William Anthony]

There should be no tie in, if the video is old. Then why would the media, namely Geraldo, show parts of the video and claim that there was income tax evasion on Simpson's part? I think that it becomes clear that the action of the media was designed to taint the available jury pool, even though that pool had bee previously tainted, imho. The bringing up of Simpson's alleged bad acts has the effect of harming his ability to recieve a fair trial and, with Vegas allegedly laying odds on the outcome of the new trial, there may be a financial motivation to make it arduous for Simpson to recieve a fair trial. These are the connections that I question. I think any reasonable thiniking inquisitive person would have some questions about the timing of events in this instance.

[martin II]

Geraldo has not tried to hide his bias against oj simpson.Not that he believes anything either way. He just intends to grab some rating as a result of some known attitudes in the public.
I do believe his actions have the effect of poisoning the jury pool and that is what his intentions are.It will be difficult for oj to get a fair trial if this kind of stuff continues.

martin II

[Jayme K]

The fact that it is being reported at the time of the new incident is what causes me concern. Also, I am not studying the video but speaking of the fact, that, if this was old, why would it be brought up at this time in regard to his ability to receive a fair trial and the fact that he reportedly took money from the mob, which he was not entiltled too. I am questioning timing and the vegas connection to the new incident. I think to blindly accept facts without, at least, questioning the reasons behind and the implications of them is cause for concern. I think that you need not worry so much about what William is studying, unless you are volunteering to assist me with my school work, :).

Seems to me you're questioning alot more that ... you gave us great detail of your porn investigation didn't you?

I did have to chuckle at the idea that you happen to run across the video ... you sure you didn't buy it from Big Ben off one of his special pay-per-view ads that he splashes around here?

[Jayme K]

:beer: :beer: :beer:

martin II

Oh martin, martin, martin ... when will you learn? I think it would be helpful to try to forumlate your own coherent post rather than riding the coat tails of someone elses.

I won't hold my breathe though.

[martin II]

Oh martin, martin, martin ... when will you learn? I think it would be helpful to try to forumlate your own coherent post rather than riding the coat tails of someone elses.

I won't hold my breathe though.

jayme
you should continue to support the post you agree with and i will agree with those that i believe are worthy of my support.

i have posted what i knew about this video when it was made public some time ago and i gave my opinion of what i remember of the video a few days ago. You are entitled to your opinion of what i posted and it does not matter to me what that is. Rather than tell me what i should be doing maby you can tell everyone when the video william speaks of was made.

imo
martin II

[Jayme K]

jayme
you should continue to support the post you agree with and i will agree with those that i believe are worthy of my support.

i have posted what i knew about this video when it was made public some time ago and i gave my opinion of what i remember of the video a few days ago. You are entitled to your opinion of what i posted and it does not matter to me what that is. Rather than tell me what i should be doing maby you can tell everyone when the video william speaks of was made.

imo
martin II

Somebody needs to tell you what you should be doing since your conduct around here stinks. Next to O.J. Simpson you're the biggest hypocrite I've had the displeasure of dealing with.

The porn video was brought up before and that included the date is was made. :read:

[martin II]

Somebody needs to tell you what you should be doing since your conduct around here stinks. Next to O.J. Simpson you're the biggest hypocrite I've had the displeasure of dealing with.

The porn video was brought up before and that included the date is was made. :read:

what you don't seem to understand is that there is no requirement for you to 'DEAL' with me.
:seeya:
imo
martinII

[Jayme K]

what you don't seem to understand is that there is no requirement for you to 'DEAL' with me.
:seeya:
imo
martinII

I do have to deal with you because you're a part of this forum, and you're constant degrading and insulting personality serves only to bring it down for other people who's conduct doesn't suck.

[martin II]

I do have to deal with you because you're a part of this forum, and you're constant degrading and insulting personality serves only to bring it down for other people who's conduct doesn't suck.

considering the agressiveness of your post it seems you are ready and seeking some kind of a fight.I have no intention of wasting my time with your nonsense.

no need to reply.

martin II

[Jayme K]

considering the agressiveness of your post it seems you are ready and seeking some kind of a fight.I have no intention of wasting my time with your nonsense.

no need to reply.

martin II

You already did decide to waste your time with this very post.

To quote you: HAHAHA

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Geraldo has not tried to hide his bias against oj simpson.Not that he believes anything either way.

What on earth does this mean? He's biased but doesn't "believe anything either way"? :tongue:

[William Anthony]

Seems to me you're questioning alot more that ... you gave us great detail of your porn investigation didn't you?

I did have to chuckle at the idea that you happen to run across the video ... you sure you didn't buy it from Big Ben off one of his special pay-per-view ads that he splashes around here?

This was my original post.

Did anyone see the video of Simpson with his girlfriend and another woman? It is said that a mafia boss paid Simpson a hundred grand for the video, but Simpson disconnected the video and kept the hundred grand. The talking heads are talking income tax evasion charges. I saw the video and Simpson and it appeared that Simpson and a woman were naked in the video. However, the producer admitted that the video was doctored, but maintained it was Simpson naked. The producer claimed Simpson kept the hundred grand. I saw this on Fox News last evening. I find it curious that the video and the producer made these comments at the time Vegas is laying odds on Simpson's conviction. I do not think it possible for Simpson to receive a fair trial on the new charges given the publicity on the trial and other things.

This was my second post.

I have found a link to this video but was surprised to see that that the date of the article was June, 2006. I do not know if Fox was airing some old program on the tape. IIRC, the video was aired on Geraldo on Fox yesterday. It might have been an airing of a previously recorded show. If this is not new information, then I will contact FW and ask her to delete the thread.

As I have stated, if the video was old and had been discused, I asked Freshwater to delete the thread. Since it was not deleted, I think that there was some merrit to the thread and the context in which I questioned the video.

You seem to imply that I am lieing and Fox did not run parts of the video. You also have accused Big Ben of dealing in porn, imho. You then went on to criticize Maritn for riding someone's coat-tail and you did the same thing on another thread in regard to a post by tvdinner. I think that you are here only to insult those who do not agree with your opinions. Perhaps, I am wrong and you will show me that I am wrong. However, you are not required to show me anything. I do believe that you are to follow the rules by not insulting people or making personal attacks. Have you bought any pay per view porn that you say Big Ben splashes around here? I think that you must have in order to ask me whether I bought porn from Big Ben, and, if you have no knowledge that he sells such items, I think you owe him and me an apology, since I have never bought anything from him nor did I pay for any pay per view items that he allegedly splashed around here.

[martin II]

This was my original post.

Did anyone see the video of Simpson with his girlfriend and another woman? It is said that a mafia boss paid Simpson a hundred grand for the video, but Simpson disconnected the video and kept the hundred grand. The talking heads are talking income tax evasion charges. I saw the video and Simpson and it appeared that Simpson and a woman were naked in the video. However, the producer admitted that the video was doctored, but maintained it was Simpson naked. The producer claimed Simpson kept the hundred grand. I saw this on Fox News last evening. I find it curious that the video and the producer made these comments at the time Vegas is laying odds on Simpson's conviction. I do not think it possible for Simpson to receive a fair trial on the new charges given the publicity on the trial and other things.

This was my second post.

I have found a link to this video but was surprised to see that that the date of the article was June, 2006. I do not know if Fox was airing some old program on the tape. IIRC, the video was aired on Geraldo on Fox yesterday. It might have been an airing of a previously recorded show. If this is not new information, then I will contact FW and ask her to delete the thread.

As I have stated, if the video was old and had been discused, I asked Freshwater to delete the thread. Since it was not deleted, I think that there was some merrit to the thread and the context in which I questioned the video.

You seem to imply that I am lieing and Fox did not run parts of the video. You also have accused Big Ben of dealing in porn, imho. You then went on to criticize Maritn for riding someone's coat-tail and you did the same thing on another thread in regard to a post by tvdinner. I think that you are here only to insult those who do not agree with your opinions. Perhaps, I am wrong and you will show me that I am wrong. However, you are not required to show me anything. I do believe that you are to follow the rules by not insulting people or making personal attacks. Have you bought any pay per view porn that you say Big Ben splashes around here? I think that you must have in order to ask me whether I bought porn from Big Ben, and, if you have no knowledge that he sells such items, I think you owe him and me an apology, since I have never bought anything from him nor did I pay for any pay per view items that he allegedly splashed around here.

:beer:
martinii

[Heyes]

So the bottom line is.......
simpson agrees to do porn for profit, takes the money and doesn't deliver. geeeeeez!
I also saw on geraldo that it shows him and his girlfriends doing drugs too!
No big suprise there.

[martin II]

So the bottom line is.......
simpson agrees to do porn for profit, takes the money and doesn't deliver. geeeeeez!
I also saw on geraldo that it shows him and his girlfriends doing drugs too!
No big suprise there.

When the video first came out it was clained that oj was not in fact naked in bed but that a look alike was used. I posted what i remember from the story but you can google it and maby you will find the truth about the video.

martin II

[martin II]

So the bottom line is.......
simpson agrees to do porn for profit, takes the money and doesn't deliver. geeeeeez!
I also saw on geraldo that it shows him and his girlfriends doing drugs too!
No big suprise there.

this may help you if you are interested in the video.


http://concreteloop.com/2006/06/oj-simpson-sex-tape

[William Anthony]

So the bottom line is.......
simpson agrees to do porn for profit, takes the money and doesn't deliver. geeeeeez!
I also saw on geraldo that it shows him and his girlfriends doing drugs too!
No big suprise there.

When did you see the video on Geraldo? Are you sure you did not buy it from some porn peddler?

[Heyes]

When did you see the video on Geraldo? Are you sure you did not buy it from some porn peddler?
Yeah william, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

I need to apolgize for falling into an irrelevant discussion, which had nothing to do with the original intent of the thread, which was to question the reshowing of the video at the time in connection with Simpson's ability to receive a fair trial. However, the comments do show that people are more interested in discussing things that he has not yet been charged with such as theft from the mafia and taking drugs, rather than discussing the events, leading up to his arrest and his ability to receive a fair trial. Judging from some of the comments, I remain convinced that it will be arduous, if not impossible for him to receive a fair trial.

[Heyes]

I need to apolgize for falling into an irrelevant discussion, which had nothing to do with the original intent of the thread, which was to question the reshowing of the video at the time in connection with Simpson's ability to receive a fair trial. However, the comments do show that people are more interested in discussing things that he has not yet been charged with such as theft from the mafia and taking drugs, rather than discussing the events, leading up to his arrest and his ability to receive a fair trial. Judging from some of the comments, I remain convinced that it will be arduous, if not impossible for him to receive a fair trial.


How can we discuss if he will get a fair trial because these types of tapes being shown without discussing the tapes themselves?
You brought up the porn. ( and his nakedness, ew)
Now that the drug use was brought up you don't wanna play no more??

[William Anthony]

How can we discuss if he will get a fair trial because these types of tapes being shown without discussing the tapes themselves?
You brought up the porn. ( and his nakedness, ew)
Now that the drug use was brought up you don't wanna play no more??

What I brought up were questions about the tapes in regard to why the media would air them and the accusations surrounding them at the time when he was facing new charges. The new charges have nothing to do with the alleged porn video or his alleged drug use. I am pleased to see that it was only aired on the alleged fair and balanced network. Do you question the fact that the tape was aired in connection with his ability to receive a fair trial, or are you interested in seeing that the trial is anything but fair by bringing up what was on the tape rather than discussing why Fox aired the tape and the accusations at that particular time? yes, I mentioned what was in the tape to see if any other members had seen it-identification that's all.

[Jayme K]

This was my original post.

Did anyone see the video of Simpson with his girlfriend and another woman? It is said that a mafia boss paid Simpson a hundred grand for the video, but Simpson disconnected the video and kept the hundred grand. The talking heads are talking income tax evasion charges. I saw the video and Simpson and it appeared that Simpson and a woman were naked in the video. However, the producer admitted that the video was doctored, but maintained it was Simpson naked. The producer claimed Simpson kept the hundred grand. I saw this on Fox News last evening. I find it curious that the video and the producer made these comments at the time Vegas is laying odds on Simpson's conviction. I do not think it possible for Simpson to receive a fair trial on the new charges given the publicity on the trial and other things.

This was my second post.

I have found a link to this video but was surprised to see that that the date of the article was June, 2006. I do not know if Fox was airing some old program on the tape. IIRC, the video was aired on Geraldo on Fox yesterday. It might have been an airing of a previously recorded show. If this is not new information, then I will contact FW and ask her to delete the thread.

As I have stated, if the video was old and had been discused, I asked Freshwater to delete the thread. Since it was not deleted, I think that there was some merrit to the thread and the context in which I questioned the video.

You seem to imply that I am lieing and Fox did not run parts of the video. You also have accused Big Ben of dealing in porn, imho. You then went on to criticize Maritn for riding someone's coat-tail and you did the same thing on another thread in regard to a post by tvdinner. I think that you are here only to insult those who do not agree with your opinions. Perhaps, I am wrong and you will show me that I am wrong. However, you are not required to show me anything. I do believe that you are to follow the rules by not insulting people or making personal attacks. Have you bought any pay per view porn that you say Big Ben splashes around here? I think that you must have in order to ask me whether I bought porn from Big Ben, and, if you have no knowledge that he sells such items, I think you owe him and me an apology, since I have never bought anything from him nor did I pay for any pay per view items that he allegedly splashed around here.

I've noticd this alot about you William. You take cheap shots and make comments that border on racism against whites but expect that everyone owes you an apology. What's with that? I've also noticed that a favorite of yours is to say inapporiate things but when you're called out on them you try to say you meant something else.

If you've studied the video then technically you yourself deal in porn by watching it and yet you expect that I apologize to you or Big Ben? Are you embarassed? Porn is legal in this country William and nothing to be ashamed of - well, except maybe if it's O.J. that you're watching.

[William Anthony]

I've noticd this alot about you William. You take cheap shots and make comments that border on racism against whites but expect that everyone owes you an apology. What's with that? I've also noticed that a favorite of yours is to say inapporiate things but when you're called out on them you try to say you meant something else.

If you've studied the video then technically you yourself deal in porn by watching it and yet you expect that I apologize to you or Big Ben? Are you embarassed? Porn is legal in this country William and nothing to be ashamed of - well, except maybe if it's O.J. that you're watching.

First, let me say this, there was a time when I responded in kind and was penalized for my remarks. However, I have learned and righly so, because of my chosen career path, that responding in kind does not serve my purpose.

Second, I do not take cheap shots, whatever that may mean to you, at anyone, although I do make comments on what I consider to be inappropriate posts. There may be things that I have done that I am ashamed of but watching porn is not one of them.

Third, I am not responsible for how others interpret my posts. What I try to do is explain what I meant in the posts. You or anyone else are entitled to disregard my explanation. However, unless you or anyone else occupied a space in my brain when I posted the comment, I do not think you have the right to say what I meant.

Fourth, You obviously continually disregard my original post that started this thread, which I think makes it clear that I was not "studying" the video but happened to catch what was aired on Geraldo while I was "studying" my schoolwork. As I said you are entitled to disregard anything but I do not think that you are entitled to imply that I was lieing.

Fifth, You also made some unfavorable comments about me and another poster. I could say a lot about the way you post. However, I have learned that does not serve me well. I could call the remarks you made about Big Ben, Martin and me in that post cheap shots. However, I chose to request an apology from you, which you have not felt obligated to render. Instead, you chose to respond with what you noticed about me. I am not opposed to discussing racism at anytime with anyone. I do not understand how you say that my comments border on racism against Whites. My comments are what they are and your intepretation is yours. I think, if I said inappropriate things, the moderator, as she has done in the past, would penalize me for the remarks.

Sixth, I do not expect that everyone owes me an apology, as I realize that some are not prone to apologies. Requesting and expecting to receive one is an entirely different thing. There have been some that chose to show courtesy and apologize and others who have chosen not to. Rest assured that I will continue unharmed whether or not my request is granted. I have no problem when I think an apology from me is clearly needed and I have apologized in the past and one is need now, because I confused heyes with a post that you made. I apologize to heyes and realize that everyone does not share my values.

[kjb19500]

Having served on two juries, I think one thing you have to keep in mind is that those of us who serve in this capacity take our jobs pretty damned seriously. I for one want the facts, not a bunch of technical hocus-pocus and theatrics from either side of the bench. I hate the feeling of being manipulated by anyone.

Simpson haters are going to look at the videos and say "so what else is new? This is totally in character for the man." His supporters are going to say it's not Simpson, it's a stand-in." Who knows, who cares?

If Simpson doesn't think he can find an "untainted" jury that will fairly decide the issues of the case, I suppose he can ask for a bench trial and let the judge decide.

[William Anthony]

If Simpson doesn't think he can find an "untainted" jury that will fairly decide the issues of the case, I suppose he can ask for a bench trial and let the judge decide.

That is one of his options. However, I think the courts have decided that an accused has a right to a fair trial by an impartial jury of his peers. I do not think that an accused should be forced to accept a bench trial, because the jury pool has been so tainted that he could not receive a fair trial by an impartial jury. I think our rights should not be so easily excused.

[tvdinner]

That is one of his options. However, I think the courts have decided that an accused has a right to a fair trial by an impartial jury of his peers. I do not think that an accused should be forced to accept a bench trial, because the jury pool has been so tainted that he could not receive a fair trial by an impartial jury. I think our rights should not be so easily excused.William, the genie is out of the bottle so to speak on media coverage. What's your solution to his receiving a fair jury trial?

[kjb19500]

That is one of his options. However, I think the courts have decided that an accused has a right to a fair trial by an impartial jury of his peers. I do not think that an accused should be forced to accept a bench trial, because the jury pool has been so tainted that he could not receive a fair trial by an impartial jury. I think our rights should not be so easily excused.


I note in reading almost every current article on these boards (especially by David Lohr) that the accused is already assumed guilty. As long as the media and places like this have free rein the possibility of tainted jury pools has to be taken in consideration not just for Simpson but for everyone arrested and accused of committing a crime, so I completely agree with your final though that "our rights should not be so easily excused."

[William Anthony]

I note in reading almost every current article on these boards (especially by David Lohr) that the accused is already assumed guilty. As long as the media and places like this have free rein the possibility of tainted jury pools has to be taken in consideration not just for Simpson but for everyone arrested and accused of committing a crime, so I completely agree with your final though that "our rights should not be so easily excused."

That is why I questioned the recent airing of the video. Thank you very much for understanding.

[socaldiva]

So the bottom line is.......
simpson agrees to do porn for profit, takes the money and doesn't deliver. geeeeeez!
I also saw on geraldo that it shows him and his girlfriends doing drugs too!
No big suprise there.

It appears there's no end to his debauchery.

[socaldiva]

I've noticd this alot about you William. You take cheap shots and make comments that border on racism against whites but expect that everyone owes you an apology. What's with that? I've also noticed that a favorite of yours is to say inapporiate things but when you're called out on them you try to say you meant something else.

If you've studied the video then technically you yourself deal in porn by watching it and yet you expect that I apologize to you or Big Ben? Are you embarassed? Porn is legal in this country William and nothing to be ashamed of - well, except maybe if it's O.J. that you're watching.


:beer: :beer: :beer:

[William Anthony]

William, the genie is out of the bottle so to speak on media coverage. What's your solution to his receiving a fair jury trial?

Tv,

I have questions not solutions, :). I do not think there is one.

[William Anthony]

Jamie,

I do not intend to let others make light of our discussions or otherwise interfer with them and I hope that you will not.

[fbgweezer]

That is one of his options. However, I think the courts have decided that an accused has a right to a fair trial by an impartial jury of his peers. I do not think that an accused should be forced to accept a bench trial, because the jury pool has been so tainted that he could not receive a fair trial by an impartial jury. I think our rights should not be so easily excused.

so what's the alternative? I commit a crime and then make sure I plaster my mug and bad behavior all over the media so I -- and my defenders -- can then say that I can't receive a fair trial and no, I don't want a judge, I want a jury. BS! imo

[William Anthony]

so what's the alternative? I commit a crime and then make sure I plaster my mug and bad behavior all over the media so I -- and my defenders -- can then say that I can't receive a fair trial and no, I don't want a judge, I want a jury. BS! imo

This has to do with the media bringing up other unrelated incidents of bad behaivor and the type of comments the media seems prone to make. Do you know if the media sought Simpson or he sought the media. It is one thing to get his comment and another to give a comment on what you think his comment means. Are you saying he does not have the right to a fair trial, because he responded to questions from the media?

[fbgweezer]

This has to do with the media bringing up other unrelated incidents of bad behaivor and the type of comments the media seems prone to make. Do you know if the media sought Simpson or he sought the media. It is one thing to get his comment and another to give a comment on what you think his comment means. Are you saying he does not have the right to a fair trial, because he responded to questions from the media?

the fact that orenthal has for years (before Nicole, during Nicole and after Nicole) exerted his bad behavior -- don't you think that speaks to his propensity for violence and bad behavior? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. imo

[martin II]

so what's the alternative? I commit a crime and then make sure I plaster my mug and bad behavior all over the media so I -- and my defenders -- can then say that I can't receive a fair trial and no, I don't want a judge, I want a jury. BS! imo

i don't think oj caused his mug to be plastered anyplace especially mugs and stories that are 12 years old. This is not only a problem with the oj case it is a problem in many cases. This digging up of old information on the accused, police leaking info to the media to favor their charges. It may sound alright for some 'LOCK UM ALL UP' types, but it feels different when it is them or someone close being treated in that manner.

martinii

[fbgweezer]

i don't think oj caused his mug to be plastered anyplace especially mugs and stories that are 12 years old. This is not only a problem with the oj case it is a problem in many cases. This digging up of old information on the accused, police leaking info to the media to favor their charges. It may sound alright for some 'LOCK UM ALL UP' types, but it feels different when it is them or someone close being treated in that manner.

martinii

I cannot believe you are even posting this! you have spent years slamming and bashing the victims and their families but you believe the accused's history to be off limits? GMAFB imo

[martin II]

I cannot believe you are even posting this! you have spent years slamming and bashing the victims and their families but you believe the accused's history to be off limits? GMAFB imo

weezer
you need to stop twisting my my post.
Th subject is not oj's history. The issue being discussed is the bringing up of a persons past as it relates to a specific current trial. Obviously since you have stated that you give le the benefit of the doubt over the accused, i can under stand you posiiton against all accused, but your comments do not help the current discusion.

imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer
you need to stop twisting my my post.
Th subject is not oj's history. The issue being discussed is the bringing up of a persons past as it relates to a specific current trial. Obviously since you have stated that you give le the benefit of the doubt over the accused, i can under stand you posiiton against all accused, but your comments do not help the current discusion.

imo
martin II

a person's history is reflective of the person -- good, bad, indifferent. If I beat my wife, chances are I am capable of beating other people. If I abuse my children, chances are I am capable of abusing other people. If it has been proven that I am a liar, cheater, thief, chances are I'm a liar, cheater, theif. imo

should I take your post to mean that you will quit bringing up the victims' in the Vegas incident pasts?

[martin II]

a person's history is reflective of the person -- good, bad, indifferent. If I beat my wife, chances are I am capable of beating other people. If I abuse my children, chances are I am capable of abusing other people. If it has been proven that I am a liar, cheater, thief, chances are I'm a liar, cheater, theif. imo

should I take your post to mean that you will quit bringing up the victims' in the Vegas incident pasts?

Since you have stated your bias for le, i can understand how one can see your position as biased against a accused.

Everyone already knows who oj is, now one knew who the thugs were before last week that is why outlets like THE SMOKING GUN .COM has posted history on one.

martin II

[martin II]

I cannot believe you are even posting this! you have spent years slamming and bashing the victims and their families but you believe the accused's history to be off limits? GMAFB imo

Wait

you may not be aware of the fact that ron, nicole or their famalies are not involved in the Nevada case.They were fair game in the criminal an civil case.

taks it easy:no:
martin II

[fbgweezer]

Wait

you may not be aware of the fact that ron, nicole or their famalies are not involved in the Nevada case.They were fair game in the criminal an civil case.

taks it easy:no:
martin II

:confused: I wasn't confused -- YOU were the one throwing yourself in front of the bus for orenthal. imo

[socaldiva]

:confused: I wasn't confused -- YOU were the one throwing yourself in front of the bus for orenthal. imo

The same bus that won't stop for Orenthal? :biggrin:

[fbgweezer]

The same bus that won't stop for Orenthal? :biggrin:

LOL -- thanks, I needed that.

[martin II]

:confused: I wasn't confused -- YOU were the one throwing yourself in front of the bus for orenthal. imo

Weezer
over the weekend posters posted without any or very little mean or agressive type post. Then monday came and you started posting again.
Gees.
imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

the fact that orenthal has for years (before Nicole, during Nicole and after Nicole) exerted his bad behavior -- don't you think that speaks to his propensity for violence and bad behavior? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. imo

I would think that the decision to hear prior bad acts would belong to the court and not to the media, so that a potential jury would not be tainted. What do you think?

[bobaugust]

I would think that the decision to hear prior bad acts would belong to the court and not to the media, so that a potential jury would not be tainted. What do you think?

I don't think it makes any difference. If the prosecution can't prove that guns were used Simpson will beat the charges.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

I don't think it makes any difference. If the prosecution can't prove that guns were used Simpson will beat the charges.

bobaugust

I understand your point. However, there are legal practitioners who say that the ownership of the guns or who may have pulled them out does not matter, because the law will constructively put them in his hands. There are posters on this board who have done the same thing. I think that, wheteher or not the law can constructively place the guns in his hands, the damage has been done.

[martin II]

I don't think it makes any difference. If the prosecution can't prove that guns were used Simpson will beat the charges.

bobaugust

bob
I am not so sure of that.

But i have asked my self how will the da prove that the guns fround at that guys house was the gun the thief said was pulled on him?? unless the guns were not wipped of prints?

martin II

[martin II]

I understand your point. However, there are legal practitioners who say that the ownership of the guns or who may have pulled them out does not matter, because the law will constructively put them in his hands. There are posters on this board who have done the same thing. I think that, wheteher or not the law can constructively place the guns in his hands, the damage has been done.

i have not finished looking for the navada law on that issue
martin II

[bobaugust]

I understand your point. However, there are legal practitioners who say that the ownership of the guns or who may have pulled them out does not matter, because the law will constructively put them in his hands. There are posters on this board who have done the same thing. I think that, wheteher or not the law can constructively place the guns in his hands, the damage has been done.

All of the felony charges against Simpson have to do with guns involved in this incident. If the prosecution can't put guns in their hands, they have no felony case.

So far there has been no leaking of information regarding the evidence the prosecutors are using to build their case. As far as I have read the only witness who hasn't had criminal problems is the one victim who suffered a heart attack and his testimony may very will be the deciding factor. Unless there is some physical evidence that we don't now know about.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

All of the felony charges against Simpson have to do with guns involved in this incident. If the prosecution can't put guns in their hands, they have no felony case.

So far there has been no leaking of information regarding the evidence the prosecutors are using to build their case. As far as I have read the only witness who hasn't had criminal problems is the one victim who suffered a heart attack and his testimony may very will be the deciding factor. Unless there is some physical evidence that we don't now know about.

bobaugust

Yes, but a misdemeanor is a crime, and the leaking or airing of alleged prior bad acts is infecting the jury pool, imho.

[bobaugust]

Yes, but a misdemeanor is a crime, and the leaking or airing of alleged prior bad acts is infecting the jury pool, imho.

There has been no leaking regarding the prior acts of Simpson, what you are referring to has all been publicized earlier when these acts happened. As to infecting the jury pool, news stories and media commentary is a reality of the times we live in. It's not impossible to find a jury who can base their verdict on evidence presented despite the known past bad behavior by a defendant, if this case even goes to a trial. If the prosecution doesn't believe they have the evidence for a felony conviction then a deal will probably be made. We will all have to wait and see.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

There has been no leaking regarding the prior acts of Simpson, what you are referring to has all been publicized earlier when these acts happened. As to infecting the jury pool, news stories and media commentary is a reality of the times we live in. It's not impossible to find a jury who can base their verdict on evidence presented despite the known past bad behavior by a defendant, if this case even goes to a trial. If the prosecution doesn't believe they have the evidence for a felony conviction then a deal will probably be made. We will all have to wait and see.

bobaugust

I think you should read from the thread from the beginning and you will understand that I was talking about the timing of the re-airing of the video. This board is a reflection of the arduousness of the task of finding an impartial jury. I said arduous, if not impossibe. Why are people discussing his alleged actions that have notihing to do with this alleged crime? Do youthink the prosecution is not relying on people's feelings about Simpson?

[bobaugust]

I think you should read from the thread from the beginning and you will understand that I was talking about the timing of the re-airing of the video. This board is a reflection of the arduousness of the task of finding an impartial jury. I said arduous, if not impossibe. Why are people discussing his alleged actions that have notihing to do with this alleged crime? Do youthink the prosecution is not relying on people's feelings about Simpson?

Las Vegas is not LA. I have no doubt if there is a trial an impartial jury will be seated that will make their determination on the evidence presented, not whether Simpson made or didn't make a porn tape. No I don't believe the Las Vegas prosecutors are relying on people's feelings about Simpson. If they have the evidence that guns were used in this confrontation there will be a trial. If they don't have that evidence I don't believe there will be a trial.

bobaugust

[Heyes]

What I brought up were questions about the tapes in regard to why the media would air them and the accusations surrounding them at the time when he was facing new charges. The new charges have nothing to do with the alleged porn video or his alleged drug use. I am pleased to see that it was only aired on the alleged fair and balanced network. Do you question the fact that the tape was aired in connection with his ability to receive a fair trial, or are you interested in seeing that the trial is anything but fair by bringing up what was on the tape rather than discussing why Fox aired the tape and the accusations at that particular time? yes, I mentioned what was in the tape to see if any other members had seen it-identification that's all.
All I can tell you is that Fox is not a court room. Anything he does that is particularly stupid is newsworthy or some may think it is. I think he'll get a fair trial.
Prancing around nakid with his lady friends is just funny as heck, nothing more, nothing less.

[Heyes]

Having served on two juries, I think one thing you have to keep in mind is that those of us who serve in this capacity take our jobs pretty damned seriously. I for one want the facts, not a bunch of technical hocus-pocus and theatrics from either side of the bench. I hate the feeling of being manipulated by anyone.

Simpson haters are going to look at the videos and say "so what else is new? This is totally in character for the man." His supporters are going to say it's not Simpson, it's a stand-in." Who knows, who cares?

If Simpson doesn't think he can find an "untainted" jury that will fairly decide the issues of the case, I suppose he can ask for a bench trial and let the judge decide.

Great post!
I agree completely

[TobyTiger]

Yes, but a misdemeanor is a crime, and the leaking or airing of alleged prior bad acts is infecting the jury pool, imho.

While I understand your point, in this particular case being that the defendant is OJ Simpson, I do not see this alleged porn video (as a prior bad act) infecting the jury pool. However, I do see those who believe he was wrongfully acquitted of two murders seeking "justice" by convicting him of the Armed Robbery charges, et al, whether or not the State proves those charges to be true beyond a reasonable doubt.

[William Anthony]

Las Vegas is not LA. I have no doubt if there is a trial an impartial jury will be seated that will make their determination on the evidence presented, not whether Simpson made or didn't make a porn tape. No I don't believe the Las Vegas prosecutors are relying on people's feelings about Simpson. If they have the evidence that guns were used in this confrontation there will be a trial. If they don't have that evidence I don't believe there will be a trial.

bobaugust

What makes Vegas so different from MOST OF AMERICA, in your mind?

[William Anthony]

While I understand your point, in this particular case being that the defendant is OJ Simpson, I do not see this alleged porn video (as a prior bad act) infecting the jury pool. However, I do see those who believe he was wrongfully acquitted of two murders seeking "justice" by convicting him of the Armed Robbery charges, et al, whether or not the State proves those charges to be true beyond a reasonable doubt.

I think you misunderstood my point. No, the video in and of itself would not taint the entire jury pool but it serves as a reminder of his alleged conduct after the acquittal and infects the jury pool, manking it almost an impossibility for him to get a fair trial.

[William Anthony]

Great post!
I agree completely

I have already discussed the questionablility of forcing an accused to accept a bench trial and, if there is so much faith in a jury being able to do its job and remain impartial, then why the protest over the acquittal.

[TobyTiger]

I think you misunderstood my point. No, the video in and of itself would not taint the entire jury pool but it serves as a reminder of his alleged conduct after the acquittal and infects the jury pool, manking it almost an impossibility for him to get a fair trial.
I agree. It will be difficult enough for a jury to fairly judge him on the current charges as it is, without adding more fuel to the fire, so to speak.

[William Anthony]

I agree. It will be difficult enough for a jury to fairly judge him on the current charges as it is, without adding more fuel to the fire, so to speak.

Yes, and the re-airing of the video combined with the accusation that he took money from the mob and did not make the video, when place in context that Vegas is allegedly laying odds on the trial, makes the whole thing suspect, imho.

[TobyTiger]

Yes, and the re-airing of the video combined with the accusation that he took money from the mob and did not make the video, when place in context that Vegas is allegedly laying odds on the trial, makes the whole thing suspect, imho.

Exactly. The involvement of the oddsmakers is quite out of line for a criminal trial proceeding.

[William Anthony]

Exactly. The involvement of the oddsmakers is quite out of line for a criminal trial proceeding.

Exactly, and there have been rumors that the mob fixed other sporting events. All it would take is someone, knowing where the property was, telling Simpson, suggesting he take it back, and audio taping the event, with odds being laid as to the outcome of the subsequent trial and tainting and reminding potential jurors of his alleged bad acts.

[fbgweezer]

Exactly, and there have been rumors that the mob fixed other sporting events. All it would take is someone, knowing where the property was, telling Simpson, suggesting he take it back, and audio taping the event, with odds being laid as to the outcome of the subsequent trial and tainting and reminding potential jurors of his alleged bad acts.

LOL -- so now the 'mob' and 'LV odds makers' are responsible for orenthal's behavior? Good Gawd!!!!!

[socaldiva]

LOL -- so now the 'mob' and 'LV odds makers' are responsible for orenthal's behavior? Good Gawd!!!!!

Maybe they were taking odds on how obnoxious Orenthal's behavior would be :biggrin:

[tvdinner]

Maybe they were taking odds on how obnoxious Orenthal's behavior would be :biggrin:No long shot there!

[fbgweezer]

No long shot there!

I would have said a sure bet! :biggrin:

[tvdinner]

I would have said a sure bet! :biggrin:

Agreed! :biggrin:

[William Anthony]

No long shot there!

Let me answer three posts in one. Obnoxious is not necessarily criminal. With that said, I think the other posts were about or should have been about the new charges. It has been rumored that Vegas is a mafia owned town. It has been rumored that there is gambling on the trial's outcome. What better way to fix the odds on any event but to have someone on the inside manipulating events? Is this to say that the mafia is responsible for his behavior-no. Is it to say that there may have been mitigating circumstances and a legal defense to his action-perhaps. Is it to say that I question the events and his ability to receive a fair trial-definitely.

[bobaugust]

Let me answer three posts in one. Obnoxious is not necessarily criminal. With that said, I think the other posts were about or should have been about the new charges. It has been rumored that Vegas is a mafia owned town. It has been rumored that there is gambling on the trial's outcome. What better way to fix the odds on any event but to have someone on the inside manipulating events? Is this to say that the mafia is responsible for his behavior-no. Is it to say that there may have been mitigating circumstances and a legal defense to his action-perhaps. Is it to say that I question the events and his ability to receive a fair trial-definitely.

It is rumored that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town? That's funny. It's obvious you don't know very much about today's Las Vegas. Where did you hear these so called rumors, William? Maybe in movies about Las Vegas about forty to sixty years ago.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

It is rumored that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town? That's funny. It's obvious you don't know very much about today's Las Vegas. Where did you hear these so called rumors, William? Maybe in movies about Las Vegas about forty to sixty years ago.

bobaugust

I think you misunderstand my post as usual. Let us consider some rather obvious parts of American history. First, let us look at the mafia as a business enterprise, which whether one approves or disapproves of their articles of incorporation is of little consequence. We then must look to American history to see whether or not their has been a concerted effort to maintain the preservation of the stauts quo, whether or not one approves or disapproves of the efforts. I believe that the mafia is composed of astute businessmen who would not likely build an empire but not take efforts to preserve their investment. You may think otherwise but common sense and history causes me to think that one would not relinquish a lucrative empire. Have you seen documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections or do you spend most of your time reading works of fiction about the Simpson cases?

[martin II]

It is rumored that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town? That's funny. It's obvious you don't know very much about today's Las Vegas. Where did you hear these so called rumors, William? Maybe in movies about Las Vegas about forty to sixty years ago.

bobaugust

bob

You have stated that you are in Navada, i believe, and i understand that there may be some need to paint it as a law abiding location. But to suggest that the mob control of vegas is something of the past is not reality.

martin II

[William Anthony]

It is rumored that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town? That's funny. It's obvious you don't know very much about today's Las Vegas. Where did you hear these so called rumors, William? Maybe in movies about Las Vegas about forty to sixty years ago.

bobaugust

I am not saying that the mafia is conducting any unlawful activities in Vegas, only that they control the gambling in Vegas.

[martin II]

I am not saying that the mafia is conducting any unlawful activities in Vegas, only that they control the gambling in Vegas.

what about the trucking, entertainment, construction unions , etc

martin II

[socaldiva]

what about the trucking, entertainment, construction unions , etc

martin II

Are you making a statement, or seeking an answer? :shrug:

[William Anthony]

what about the trucking, entertainment, construction unions , etc

martin II

I have stated that they are astute businessmen and women.

[bobaugust]

I think you misunderstand my post as usual. Let us consider some rather obvious parts of American history. First, let us look at the mafia as a business enterprise, which whether one approves or disapproves of their articles of incorporation is of little consequence. We then must look to American history to see whether or not their has been a concerted effort to maintain the preservation of the stauts quo, whether or not one approves or disapproves of the efforts. I believe that the mafia is composed of astute businessmen who would not likely build an empire but not take efforts to preserve their investment. You may think otherwise but common sense and history causes me to think that one would not relinquish a lucrative empire. Have you seen documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections or do you spend most of your time reading works of fiction about the Simpson cases?

Documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections? Sure about old Vegas history before organized crime was kicked out and the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board was established. No William the mafia is not involved in or owns anything relating to gaming in Las Vegas. It isn't allowed by gaming laws. Have you ever even been to Las Vegas?

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
http://gaming.nv.gov/

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections? Sure about old Vegas history before organized crime was kicked out and the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board was established. No William the mafia is not involved in or owns anything relating to gaming in Las Vegas. It isn't allowed by gaming laws. Have you ever even been to Las Vegas?

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
http://gaming.nv.gov/

bobaugust

Who do you think owns the Casiono's? I think you are far to inclined to believe all of what you read, if it appears to be official. This is not the forum for a political debate but I think we know that things are never what it seems and that politics make strange bed fellows. You may choose to believe this link and because gambling is legal, does not mean that it is not controled by the mafia.

[William Anthony]

Documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections? Sure about old Vegas history before organized crime was kicked out and the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board was established. No William the mafia is not involved in or owns anything relating to gaming in Las Vegas. It isn't allowed by gaming laws. Have you ever even been to Las Vegas?

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
http://gaming.nv.gov/

bobaugust

Would you disban a lucrative enterprise or find a way to share the profits and pay taxes, if necessary. Just food for thought.

[William Anthony]

Documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections? Sure about old Vegas history before organized crime was kicked out and the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board was established. No William the mafia is not involved in or owns anything relating to gaming in Las Vegas. It isn't allowed by gaming laws. Have you ever even been to Las Vegas?

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
http://gaming.nv.gov/

bobaugust

I could relate some personal experiences of a friend I had in the town where I was raised. I will only say this. Every year he was taken to Las Vegas during football season to be a handicapper, which was the only time he was sober. I have been with him, when he borrowed money from people in the town I was raised that had nothing to do with traditional banks or loan sharks. I have seen him return with gobs of money, which he drank away on Wild Irish Rose wine until he died. I never went with him to Vegas nor was I inclined to.

[William Anthony]

Documentaries on the mafia and the Vegas connections? Sure about old Vegas history before organized crime was kicked out and the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board was established. No William the mafia is not involved in or owns anything relating to gaming in Las Vegas. It isn't allowed by gaming laws. Have you ever even been to Las Vegas?

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
http://gaming.nv.gov/

bobaugust

Here's a link for you from a Las Vegas newspaper in 2004.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/commentary/2004/apr/30/516782598.html

[bobaugust]

Here's a link for you from a Las Vegas newspaper in 2004.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/commentary/2004/apr/30/516782598.html

What does this article have to do with the so called rumors you supposedly heard that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town and your insinuation that the mafia is involved in the public corporations that own casinos? It seems this is just another example of you offering opinions about something you know nothing about.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

What does this article have to do with the so called rumors you supposedly heard that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town and your insinuation that the mafia is involved in the public corporations that own casinos? It seems this is just another example of you offering opinions about something you know nothing about.

bobaugust

Why bobaugust, one would think that you do not like evidence that is contradictory to your assertions. Afterall, are we not searching for the truth? Mafia, syndicate, gangsets or mob figures-are we simply arguing semantics or are we seeking to discover that there may be a Vegas gambling connection that may be involved in Simpson's ability to receive a fair trial?

[William Anthony]

What does this article have to do with the so called rumors you supposedly heard that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town and your insinuation that the mafia is involved in the public corporations that own casinos? It seems this is just another example of you offering opinions about something you know nothing about.

bobaugust

I could say that this is another example of your inability to see the world as it really is but I choose not to respond in what I would call a rude and uncivil manner.

[fbgweezer]

I've been watching a television special on the black mafia -- maybe that's the 'mafia' william is referring to?

[William Anthony]

I've been watching a television special on the black mafia -- maybe that's the 'mafia' william is referring to?

What channel are you watching and when will it be televised again? I would like to see it. I do not think the Black mafia has attained the same degree of political power as the other mafias. I am happy to see your interest in Black organizations. Have you seen any on the Klan lately?

[fbgweezer]

What channel are you watching and when will it be televised again? I would like to see it. I do not think the Black mafia has attained the same degree of political power as the other mafias. I am happy to see your interest in Black organizations. Have you seen any on the Klan lately?

haven't seen anything on the klan lately but the special on the black mafia has been very interesting. I believe you are wrong about their influence -- especially within the black community. And we do know that orenthal does drugs as well as associates with drug users and sellers so it may not be too far a stretch. imo

I'm sure if you 'google' for the show, you can find out whether or not it's being shown in your area -- I doubt we would have the same channels.

[William Anthony]

I'm going to pointedly ignore your comments referring to the klan because I believe you're trying to start something. I'm not biting.

I am surprised that you don't know more about the black mafia and drugs and their influence within the black community.

"Major Drug Trafficker Connected To Black Mafia Family (BMF) Gets Life Sentence

MAY 4 -- COLUMBIA, SC – The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and South Carolina United States Attorney’s Office announced that five defendants were sentenced for their roles in a major, multi-state drug trafficking enterprise that resulted in one of the largest and most complicated drug prosecutions the U.S. Attorney’s Office has handled. TREMAYNE GRAHAM, age 32, of Atlanta, GA; JERRY DAVIS, age 32, of Columbus, GA, Atlanta, GA and Woodland Hills, CA; SCOTT KING, age 37, of Atlanta, GA; TIFFANY GLOSTER, age 35, of Inglewood, CA and Atlanta, GA; and ERIC RIVERA, age 36, of Studio City, CA were sentenced before United States District Judge Henry M. Herlong, Jr. of Greenville. In passing the sentences, Judge Herlong noted that the drug enterprise headed by DAVIS and GRAHAM was among the largest and most significant drug organizations that he had encountered during his career on the federal bench." http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/atlanta050407.html

Why fbgweezer,

I am not trying to start anything as you were the one to bring up your interest in the Black mafia and I only asked if you had seen anything on the Klan and you feel that you must post information on the Black mafia's influence in the Black Community when my post was about them having the same amount of political empowerment as other groups.

I see that you have not commented on how the drugs get into the U.S. in order to be distributed. On another thread, you said you were no longer testy about racial inequality after the verdict and the reaction of Blacks to the verdict. However, you seem all too willing to post information on corrupt Black organizations but do not go to those same lengths to post about corrupt White organizations. I wonder if you are trying to start something.

[fbgweezer]

Why fbgweezer,

I am not trying to start anything as you were the one to bring up your interest in the Black mafia and I only asked if you had seen anything on the Klan and you feel that you must post information on the Black mafia's influence in the Black Community when my post was about them having the same amount of political empowerment as other groups.

I see that you have not commented on how the drugs get into the U.S. in order to be distributed. On another thread, you said you were no longer testy about racial inequality after the verdict and the reaction of Blacks to the verdict. However, you seem all too willing to post information on corrupt Black organizations but do not go to those same lengths to post about corrupt White organizations. I wonder if you are trying to start something.

why william,

I see that you are up to your old tactics: when you are cornered, you attack.

"Testimony at the sentencing hearings established that DAVIS was the head of the “Sin City Mafia,” a major criminal enterprise with headquarters in Columbus, GA; Atlanta, GA; and Los Angeles, CA. DAVIS obtained cocaine from California suppliers connected to major Mexican cartels and transported that cocaine to Atlanta by way of tractor trailers, private jets and through parcel post. Once the cocaine arrived in Atlanta, it was packaged for shipment various locales along the East Coast. DAVIS’ organization had ties to the Black Mafia Family (BMF), a criminal enterprise operating in Detroit, Atlanta, Orlando, Saint Louis and elsewhere."

It is ignorance to believe that the ills of this country lie in any one segment. Maybe that's our biggest difference in view? imo :seeya:

[martin II]

haven't seen anything on the klan lately but the special on the black mafia has been very interesting. I believe you are wrong about their influence -- especially within the black community. And we do know that orenthal does drugs as well as associates with drug users and sellers so it may not be too far a stretch. imo

I'm sure if you 'google' for the show, you can find out whether or not it's being shown in your area -- I doubt we would have the same channels.

can you give the exact name of the special , the name of the station you saw it on and when it was broadcast where you are. This way i can see if it is possible to purchase a DVD.

thanks
martin II

[fbgweezer]

can you give the exact name of the special , the name of the station you saw it on and when it was broadcast where you are. This way i can see if it is possible to purchase a DVD.

thanks
martin II

Next Episode
Philly Black Mafia `Do for Self'
Tonight at 10:00 pm BET (ch 50) All Upcoming Airings
Season 2 begins with a look at Philadelphia's Black Mafia, formed in the late 1960s, and their extortion policies designed to keep money and business within the black community.

[martin II]

I'm going to pointedly ignore your comments referring to the klan because I believe you're trying to start something. I'm not biting.

I am surprised that you don't know more about the black mafia and drugs and their influence within the black community.

"Major Drug Trafficker Connected To Black Mafia Family (BMF) Gets Life Sentence

MAY 4 -- COLUMBIA, SC – The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and South Carolina United States Attorney’s Office announced that five defendants were sentenced for their roles in a major, multi-state drug trafficking enterprise that resulted in one of the largest and most complicated drug prosecutions the U.S. Attorney’s Office has handled. TREMAYNE GRAHAM, age 32, of Atlanta, GA; JERRY DAVIS, age 32, of Columbus, GA, Atlanta, GA and Woodland Hills, CA; SCOTT KING, age 37, of Atlanta, GA; TIFFANY GLOSTER, age 35, of Inglewood, CA and Atlanta, GA; and ERIC RIVERA, age 36, of Studio City, CA were sentenced before United States District Judge Henry M. Herlong, Jr. of Greenville. In passing the sentences, Judge Herlong noted that the drug enterprise headed by DAVIS and GRAHAM was among the largest and most significant drug organizations that he had encountered during his career on the federal bench." http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/atlanta050407.html


weezer

Previously uou complained that there was no need for the 'RACE IN THE CJS'
thread. Now you are posting race stuff.

Maby we should ask the moderator to make your link a new thread on race and drugs in america.
what do you think?

martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer

Previously uou complained that there was no need for the 'RACE IN THE CJS'
thread. Now you are posting race stuff.

Maby we should ask the moderator to make your link a new thread on race and drugs in america.
what do you think?

martin II

the post was not meant as anything racial but was in response to posts insinuating the 'mafia' was responsible for orenthal's vegas behavior. I was simply asking which 'mafia'?

if you feel you need to discuss race, feel free to approach the moderator with your request. Personally, I have no interest in the subject. imo

[Riviera]

Back on topic please ----> Simpson's Porn video

Thank you
R

[martin II]

the post was not meant as anything racial but was in response to posts insinuating the 'mafia' was responsible for orenthal's vegas behavior. I was simply asking which 'mafia'?

if you feel you need to discuss race, feel free to approach the moderator with your request. Personally, I have no interest in the subject. imo

Maby i missed something

I have seen no post saying ojs situation had anything to do with the Jewish
italian or maxican mafia in Vegas. What it looks like to me is that the thiefs acted as though they were what is called "LOCAL WANNABE MAFIA"

In discussing mafia in vegas you selected Black Mafia as your subject instead of traditional well known mafia groups operating in Vegas (italian,russian) for what reason? What does some black drug dealers in Georgia, north carolina etc have to do with Mafia in vegas that control gambling.which was the initial subject begin discussed.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

back on topic for me

martin II

[socaldiva]

back on topic for me

martin II


Sure, after you ignored the moderator's post & got one more racial post in :rolleyes:

I say it's too bad the reported Mafia figure that got stiffed on the video by Orenthal, didn't take his sorry behind out. That would have been justice.

[William Anthony]

I feel that I should restate the intent of this thread, which concerned my questioning of Simpson's ability to receive a fair trial in connenction with the rumors that he stiffed the mob when he allgedly made the porn video, the re-airing of the video at this particular crime, the mob connection to Vegas and the rumor that Vegas is laying odds on the outcome of the trial. I have never and do not remember any poster saying that the mafia was responsible for his behavior, only that they may have some involvement in the events. It seems that there was some misunderstanding that I said the mafia was responsible for his behavior, just as there was an accusation that I attacked someone. Therefore, I feel compelled to correct the misunderstandings.

[martin II]

I feel that I should restate the intent of this thread, which concerned my questioning of Simpson's ability to receive a fair trial in connenction with the rumors that he stiffed the mob when he allgedly made the porn video, the re-airing of the video at this particular crime, the mob connection to Vegas and the rumor that Vegas is laying odds on the outcome of the trial. I have never and do not remember any poster saying that the mafia was responsible for his behavior, only that they may have some involvement in the events. It seems that there was some misunderstanding that I said the mafia was responsible for his behavior, just as there was an accusation that I attacked someone. Therefore, I feel compelled to correct the misunderstandings.

My position is that the only reasons one would repost, as the producer did, a old doctored video would be to make money and or paint oj simpson in a bad light in the minds of the public.imo

martin II

[socaldiva]

My position is that the only reasons one would repost, as the producer did, a old doctored video would be to make money and or paint oj simpson in a bad light in the minds of the public.imo

martin II

Aw....everyone's always picking on OJ & trying to make him look bad :rolleyes:

[fbgweezer]

Aw....everyone's always picking on OJ & trying to make him look bad :rolleyes:

LOL -- and he keeps making it so very easy!

[socaldiva]

LOL -- and he keeps making it so very easy!

He sure does :biggrin:

[bobaugust]

Why bobaugust, one would think that you do not like evidence that is contradictory to your assertions. Afterall, are we not searching for the truth? Mafia, syndicate, gangsets or mob figures-are we simply arguing semantics or are we seeking to discover that there may be a Vegas gambling connection that may be involved in Simpson's ability to receive a fair trial?

You haven't presented any evidence that contradicted anything I said. I never said there wasn't crime in Las Vegas. but the fact is that organized crime not only doesn't own Las Vegas it's not involved in any of the large public corporations that own casinos. If there is a trial I'm sure it will be a fair trial.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

You haven't presented any evidence that contradicted anything I said. I never said there wasn't crime in Las Vegas. but the fact is that organized crime not only doesn't own Las Vegas it's not involved in any of the large public corporations that own casinos. If there is a trial I'm sure it will be a fair trial.

bobaugust

I will now add organized crime and trial experts to your ever expanding resume. Thank you for the reasurance. I think Simpson's lawyers will be pleased to know that bobaugust said Simpson would get a fair trial.

[martin II]

You haven't presented any evidence that contradicted anything I said. I never said there wasn't crime in Las Vegas. but the fact is that organized crime not only doesn't own Las Vegas it's not involved in any of the large public corporations that own casinos. If there is a trial I'm sure it will be a fair trial.

bobaugust

bob
Organized crime usually targets the casino support businesses which means that they directly control the operations of casinos.IMO .Trucking ,food service entertainment, construction, drugs, prostitution are a few areas that one can usually find them operating in. IMO I would be surprised if you would not find this activity this happening in vagas. imo
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

bob
Organized crime usually targets the casino support businesses which means that they directly control the operations of casinos.IMO .Trucking ,food service entertainment, construction, drugs, prostitution are a few areas that one can usually find them operating in. IMO I would be surprised if you would not find this activity this happening in vagas. imo
MARTIN ii

did we decide that the black mafia is not the mafia you guys are talking about?

[martin II]

did we decide that the black mafia is not the mafia you guys are talking about?

There you go again.

martin II

[bobaugust]

I will now add organized crime and trial experts to your ever expanding resume. Thank you for the reasurance. I think Simpson's lawyers will be pleased to know that bobaugust said Simpson would get a fair trial.

And I will add rumors to imagined evidence, distorted interpretations, and false claims that you say creates reasonable doubt for you. I doubt that Simpson's lawyers are aware of or could care less about my opinion or your opinion.

bobaugust.

[bobaugust]

bob
Organized crime usually targets the casino support businesses which means that they directly control the operations of casinos.IMO .Trucking ,food service entertainment, construction, drugs, prostitution are a few areas that one can usually find them operating in. IMO I would be surprised if you would not find this activity this happening in vagas. imo
MARTIN ii

martin II, organized crime neither directly or indirectly controls any support operations for the gaming industry. Everything related to the construction, support, and operating of casinos are highly regulated, licensed, and monitored. The reality is that even an appearance of something or someone illegitimate can put a gaming license in jeopardy. This industry because of it's past history goes to extremes to make sure everything is completely honest and legitimate.

bobaugust

[martin II]

martin II, organized crime neither directly or indirectly controls any support operations for the gaming industry. Everything related to the construction, support, and operating of casinos are highly regulated, licensed, and monitored. The reality is that even an appearance of something or someone illegitimate can put a gaming license in jeopardy. This industry because of it's past history goes to extremes to make sure everything is completely honest and legitimate.

bobaugust

BOB

Who regulates the prostitutes? the GAMING INDUSTRY??

HAHAHA
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

BOB

Who regulates the prostitutes? the GAMING INDUSTRY??

HAHAHA
MARTIN ii

the black mafia?

HAHAHA

[bobaugust]

BOB

Who regulates the prostitutes? the GAMING INDUSTRY??

HAHAHA
MARTIN ii

martin II, prostitution is not part of the gaming industry, it is a reality of life. Open solicitation is not allowed inside casinos and is monitored by hotel security.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

And I will add rumors to imagined evidence, distorted interpretations, and false claims that you say creates reasonable doubt for you. I doubt that Simpson's lawyers are aware of or could care less about my opinion or your opinion.

bobaugust.


Why bobaugust,


I have never claimed to be anything but someone aspiring to be a lawyer and an occasional attorney. I am entitled to my opinion. However, you state things as facts, most of which have been proven wrong, imho. Do I need to remind you that you claim to know the truth and the facts? Therefore, Simpson's lawyers will be happy to know that bobaugust has declard that Simpson will receive a fair trial. Yes, I accept some of your so-called facts as rumors, such as there was no evidence that Maggot Festering was/is a racist, and some as just plain misunderstanding of commonly known and accepted principles.

[martin II]

martin II, prostitution is not part of the gaming industry, it is a reality of life. Open solicitation is not allowed inside casinos and is monitored by hotel security.

bobaugust

bob
i am sure they try their best

martin II

[William Anthony]

BOB

Who regulates the prostitutes? the GAMING INDUSTRY??

HAHAHA
MARTIN ii

Martin,

Why do you not believe bobaugust instead of my post with the link in the newspaper in 2004, When bobaugust said Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties or nineties. Do you think bobaugust is part of the gaming commission?

[William Anthony]

the black mafia?

HAHAHA

I am happy to see that the Black mafia is not allowing prostitution to flourish. Perhaps, more illegal groups will follow their lead.

[martin II]

Martin,

Why do you not believe bobaugust instead of my post with the link in the newspaper in 2004, When bobaugust said Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties or nineties. Do you think bobaugust is part of the gaming commission?

william
Bob ignored the newspaper link as it told the truth about crime in vegas and that is not what he KNOWS is the truth although it is the truth. Bob may believe he is the commissioner of the gaming commisison but i don't think the commission knows it.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

william
Bob ignored the newspaper link as it told the truth about crime in vegas and that is not what he KNOWS is the truth although it is the truth. Bob may believe he is the commissioner of the gaming commisison but i don't think the commission knows it.imo
martin II

You know that the article is "the truth" because one of your NG's posted it?

Bob never said he was involved in the gaming commission, that's another poster's speculation :punch: :punch:

[fbgweezer]

You know that the article is "the truth" because one of your NG's posted it?

Bob never said he was involved in the gaming commission, that's another poster's speculation :punch: :punch:

Maybe at some point the moderator will put an end to their tiresome personal attacks on bobaugust -- he's a better person than I am. :shrug:

[fbgweezer]

I am happy to see that the Black mafia is not allowing prostitution to flourish. Perhaps, more illegal groups will follow their lead.

from my research on the black mafia, there isn't anything illegal that they don't do -- including prostitution and drugs. imo

[fbgweezer]

Why bobaugust,


I have never claimed to be anything but someone aspiring to be a lawyer and an occasional attorney. I am entitled to my opinion. However, you state things as facts, most of which have been proven wrong, imho. Do I need to remind you that you claim to know the truth and the facts? Therefore, Simpson's lawyers will be happy to know that bobaugust has declard that Simpson will receive a fair trial. Yes, I accept some of your so-called facts as rumors, such as there was no evidence that Maggot Festering was/is a racist, and some as just plain misunderstanding of commonly known and accepted principles.

is this who you are referring to?

"Mark Fuhrman currently serves as a forensic and crime scene expert for FOX News Channel (FNC).

Prior to contributing for FNC, Fuhrman was an on-air consultant for ABC, CBS and Court TV. He also served as a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) detective for 20 years, where he rose to fame as a key investigator and was a witness in the O.J. Simpson trial. Fuhrman received more than 55 official commendations during his 20 years with the LAPD.

Fuhrman is an established author whose books have been New York Times bestsellers. Three of his books have been optioned for film rights, and "Murder in Greenwich" was produced by Sony Pictures TV, airing on the USA Network in November 2002.

Fuhrman is also the host of the Spokane, WA radio show, "The Mark Fuhrman Show."

[socaldiva]

is this who you are referring to?

"Mark Fuhrman currently serves as a forensic and crime scene expert for FOX News Channel (FNC).

Prior to contributing for FNC, Fuhrman was an on-air consultant for ABC, CBS and Court TV. He also served as a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) detective for 20 years, where he rose to fame as a key investigator and was a witness in the O.J. Simpson trial. Fuhrman received more than 55 official commendations during his 20 years with the LAPD.

Fuhrman is an established author whose books have been New York Times bestsellers. Three of his books have been optioned for film rights, and "Murder in Greenwich" was produced by Sony Pictures TV, airing on the USA Network in November 2002.

Fuhrman is also the host of the Spokane, WA radio show, "The Mark Fuhrman Show."

:beer: :beer: and I haven't heard anything unsavory about Mark Fuhrman in the years after the murders. During the criminal trial everyone got their panties in a bunch because he used a certain word years prior relative to a screenplay.

Talk about HATE, some here are just filled with it when it comes to Mark Fuhrman, yet they do all kinds of gyrations to cover & excuse Simpson's repeated obnoxious, illegal activities. Go figure. :shrug:

[William Anthony]

is this who you are referring to?

"Mark Fuhrman currently serves as a forensic and crime scene expert for FOX News Channel (FNC).

Prior to contributing for FNC, Fuhrman was an on-air consultant for ABC, CBS and Court TV. He also served as a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) detective for 20 years, where he rose to fame as a key investigator and was a witness in the O.J. Simpson trial. Fuhrman received more than 55 official commendations during his 20 years with the LAPD.

Fuhrman is an established author whose books have been New York Times bestsellers. Three of his books have been optioned for film rights, and "Murder in Greenwich" was produced by Sony Pictures TV, airing on the USA Network in November 2002.

Fuhrman is also the host of the Spokane, WA radio show, "The Mark Fuhrman Show."

Yes, America can be proud of embracing a racist and a convicted perjurer, as well as those who praise him.

[socaldiva]

I'd say that MF is far less of a racist than those jurors, or OJ Simpson for that matter;)

[William Anthony]

Some say the civil jurors and Maggot Festering were on equal footing when it came to being racist.

[William Anthony]

I fear that I may have become pricked by the hook so I am going to leave the baiting to others. :seeya: :seeya: :seeya:

[socaldiva]

I'd say the baiting was done by those injecting adjectives such as "Maggot Festering" ;)

[William Anthony]

I'd say that when one makes a statement to know the truth and the facts and makes derogatory remarks about everyone who disagrees and calls other posters, wrong, ridiculous, delusional, and engaged of flights of fantasy, and criticizes everything that is against his statements and others provide links that are in opposition to the statements then a little question of how the poster arrived at his knowledge of the truth and facts is in order and should not be construed as personal attacks as opposed to legitimate inquiry and reasonable doubt.

[William Anthony]

I'd say the baiting was done by those injecting adjectives such as "Maggot Festering" ;)

Is Maggot Festering worse than Cockroach? With that said might I suggest that we all get back OT.

[martin II]

is this who you are referring to?

"Mark Fuhrman currently serves as a forensic and crime scene expert for FOX News Channel (FNC).

Prior to contributing for FNC, Fuhrman was an on-air consultant for ABC, CBS and Court TV. He also served as a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) detective for 20 years, where he rose to fame as a key investigator and was a witness in the O.J. Simpson trial. Fuhrman received more than 55 official commendations during his 20 years with the LAPD.

Fuhrman is an established author whose books have been New York Times bestsellers. Three of his books have been optioned for film rights, and "Murder in Greenwich" was produced by Sony Pictures TV, airing on the USA Network in November 2002.

Fuhrman is also the host of the Spokane, WA radio show, "The Mark Fuhrman Show."


He is still furhman from LAPD and people stillt think about planting when they see him.

hahaha

MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

He is still furhman from LAPD and people stillt think about planting when they see him.

hahaha

MARTIN ii

yes, he's still Fuhrman from LAPD and there is still no credible proof that he planted evidence -- not then, not since.

[Jayme K]

Yes, America can be proud of embracing a racist and a convicted perjurer, as well as those who praise him.

Ah yes, much the same as some here should be proud of embracing a man who is constantly involved in illegal matters and was convicted of spousal abuse.

I notice that black O.J. doesn't get the same scrutiny from you as white Furhman does.

[Heyes]

But what about the pooooooooorn????

:D
lol

[Jayme K]

He is still furhman from LAPD and people stillt think about planting when they see him.

hahaha

MARTIN ii

Just like O.J.'s still the wife beater and people "stillt" think about murder when they see him.

[bobaugust]

Martin,

Why do you not believe bobaugust instead of my post with the link in the newspaper in 2004, When bobaugust said Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties or nineties. Do you think bobaugust is part of the gaming commission?

No William I didn't dispute anything the article you posted said. I disputed the rumors you supposedly heard that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town and your insinuations that the mafia is involved in the public corporations that own casinos.

Did I miss something here? When did I ever say that Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties and nineties? I asked you where you heard these so called rumors, maybe in movies made about Vegas in the fifties and sixties. No I'm not part of the gaming commission thank you.

bobaugust

[martin II]

No William I didn't dispute anything the article you posted said. I disputed the rumors you supposedly heard that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town and your insinuations that the mafia is involved in the public corporations that own casinos.

Did I miss something here? When did I ever say that Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties and nineties? I asked you where you heard these so called rumors, maybe in movies made about Vegas in the fifties and sixties. No I'm not part of the gaming commission thank you.

bobaugust

bob

So are you suggesting that there are no more casino front men for the mob?
What i am suggesting is that the supporting businesses, which the casino cannot operate without, are still active in vegas.
martin II

[bobaugust]

bob

So are you suggesting that there are no more casino front men for the mob?
What i am suggesting is that the supporting businesses, which the casino cannot operate without, are still active in vegas.
martin II

No martin, there are no front men for the mob in the gaming business. No criminals are in the gaming business. Just what information do you rely on to make your suggestion? The movies? Fictional books, Television programs? Or simply your imagination? Why do insist on offering opinions about something you know nothing about?

The large public corporations that own the majority of the gaming properties in this country as well as any owner of a casino are subject to strict investigations and oversight in order to maintain their licenses. Even the hint of something improper let alone criminal is highly scrutinized and addressed. All the businesses who are used to support these hotels and casinos fall under that same oversight and standards. If they don't meet them, they aren't used. These corporations depend on their reputation and will not do anything to jeopardize it by doing business with any company that is not highly reputable. For you to suggest differently only shows how little knowledge you have about this.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Ah yes, much the same as some here should be proud of embracing a man who is constantly involved in illegal matters and was convicted of spousal abuse.

I notice that black O.J. doesn't get the same scrutiny from you as white Furhman does.

Now I know that you do not read or, if you do you do not understand my posts. I have never embraced Simpson or condoned any of his activities. I have said that I feel there was reasonable doubt in the criminal trial, the political production (civil trial) was a foregone conclusion and question whether or not it was possible to receive a fair trial. I accept both verdicts and will accept this one. I have said he was guilty of spousal abuse. I am amazed that so many embrace a person who belittles women, speaks of burning and entire race and shows little respect for the laws he was sworn to uphold. I give Simpson the same benefit as I would any other person accused of a crime-innocent until prove guilty.

[William Anthony]

No William I didn't dispute anything the article you posted said. I disputed the rumors you supposedly heard that Las Vegas is a mafia owned town and your insinuations that the mafia is involved in the public corporations that own casinos.

Did I miss something here? When did I ever say that Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties and nineties? I asked you where you heard these so called rumors, maybe in movies made about Vegas in the fifties and sixties. No I'm not part of the gaming commission thank you.

bobaugust

What are you talking about? You are disputing a rumor I heard? Are you saying I did not hear them?

[bobaugust]

What are you talking about? You are disputing a rumor I heard? Are you saying I did not hear them?

I am disputing the rumor you say you heard and tried to defend. Now answer my question please, when did I ever say that Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties and nineties?

bobaugust

[tvdinner]

I'd say that when one makes a statement to know the truth and the facts and makes derogatory remarks about everyone who disagrees and calls other posters, wrong, ridiculous, delusional, and engaged of flights of fantasy, and criticizes everything that is against his statements and others provide links that are in opposition to the statements then a little question of how the poster arrived at his knowledge of the truth and facts is in order and should not be construed as personal attacks as opposed to legitimate inquiry and reasonable doubt.William, that's one of the longest sentences I've ever seen. :eek:

[William Anthony]

William, that's one of the longest sentences I've ever seen. :eek:

Thank you and I do believe there will be more to come, and I hope they will hold everyone's attention. :)

[William Anthony]

did we decide that the black mafia is not the mafia you guys are talking about?

Are you calling Israelis Black?

[William Anthony]

I am disputing the rumor you say you heard and tried to defend. Now answer my question please, when did I ever say that Vegas was cleaned up in the eighties and nineties?

bobaugust

I thought that was in your link but when I reviewed It I found they were brochures for Las Vegas and the Gaming Commission. I think yours was pretty biased as it did not mention the mafia and I do believe the Newspaper may be a little more credible. Why do you think your links did not mention the mob?

[fbgweezer]

Are you calling Israelis Black?

:confused: what does your question have to do with the post I responded to?

"Originally Posted by martin II
bob
Organized crime usually targets the casino support businesses which means that they directly control the operations of casinos.IMO .Trucking ,food service entertainment, construction, drugs, prostitution are a few areas that one can usually find them operating in. IMO I would be surprised if you would not find this activity this happening in vagas. imo
MARTIN ii"

[fbgweezer]

I thought that was in your link but when I reviewed It I found they were brochures for Las Vegas and the Gaming Commission. I think yours was pretty biased as it did not mention the mafia and I do believe the Newspaper may be a little more credible. Why do you think your links did not mention the mob?

Just a guess but maybe because the 'mob' wasn't what the article was about? :D

[bobaugust]

I thought that was in your link but when I reviewed It I found they were brochures for Las Vegas and the Gaming Commission. I think yours was pretty biased as it did not mention the mafia and I do believe the Newspaper may be a little more credible. Why do you think your links did not mention the mob?

This is really getting off topic William. I provided two links. The first link was to "History of Gaming in Nevada, 1950's when the Nevada State legislature created the Gaming Control Board in 1956.

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
The article contained links to the history of gaming for the years 1864 to the 2000's.

The second link I provided was to the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board.
http://gaming.nv.gov/

Maybe this link might help you. Gambling and Crime
http://www.library.ca.gov/CRB/97/03/Chapt11.html

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Just a guess but maybe because the 'mob' wasn't what the article was about? :D

No but the discussion was about a possible mafia connection. So, are you agreeing that bobaugust's link are irrelevant?

[William Anthony]

This is really getting off topic William. I provided two links. The first link was to "History of Gaming in Nevada, 1950's when the Nevada State legislature created the Gaming Control Board in 1956.

http://www.nevadaresorts.org/docs/history/1950.shtml
The article contained links to the history of gaming for the years 1864 to the 2000's.

The second link I provided was to the Nevada Gaming Commission and State Gaming Control Board.
http://gaming.nv.gov/

Maybe this link might help you. Gambling and Crime
http://www.library.ca.gov/CRB/97/03/Chapt11.html

bobaugust

I agree that your links had nothing to do with the topic of discussion and are, therefore, OT.

[William Anthony]

:confused: what does your question have to do with the post I responded to?

"Originally Posted by martin II
bob
Organized crime usually targets the casino support businesses which means that they directly control the operations of casinos.IMO .Trucking ,food service entertainment, construction, drugs, prostitution are a few areas that one can usually find them operating in. IMO I would be surprised if you would not find this activity this happening in vagas. imo
MARTIN ii"

Why fbgweezer,

I would think that my question was clear, since you are the one that intimated that the Black Mafia was in charge of Vegas and a laundry list of other crimes. I posted a link from the Sun Times addressing the fact that the most recent take over is by the Israelis. The link and article gave a rather extensive review of the crime syndicates operating in Vegas and I did not see the Black Mafia mentioned, which prompted my inquiry. Were you just being coy with your intimations?