Loving Natalee coming Oct. 2

[Luke Davis]

Beth Holloway Tour (http://www.harpercollins.com/Author/Tour.aspx?authorID=33337)

[Luke Davis]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OWyK2gJ0L._SS500_.jpg

[Luke Davis]

EXCERPT (http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061452277/Loving_Natalee/excerpt.aspx)

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[Luke Davis]

I'm wondering if the cover could be more attractive, I'd like to see.

Hootie
The search for an American missing in Aruba

From 911 call to now, her mother Beth Holloway tells her story.

[fairmaiden]

I'm wondering if the cover could be more attractive, I'd like to see.

Hootie
The search for an American missing in Aruba

From 911 call to now, her mother Beth Holloway tells her story.

Luke .... I haven't read ANY of the books written about this tragedy, and I certainly don't intend to start with this one. "The TRUTH About The Kidnapping In Aruba". If she knows the truth about what happened here .... what are we waiting for ?? Where is Natalee ?? How can Beth KNOW the truth. She wasn't there. No .... I don't believe anyone in Aruba is TELLING her what happened, or is filling her in on this investigation .... especially not now.

It's no secret how I feel about making money off of a "missing Natalee", especially with a book proclaiming to be the TRUTH. I find it reprehensible.

....... And before anyone asks .... this includes Joran's book also.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Luke .... I haven't read ANY of the books written about this tragedy, and I certainly don't intend to start with this one. "The TRUTH About The Kidnapping In Aruba". If she knows the truth about what happened here .... what are we waiting for ?? Where is Natalee ?? How can Beth KNOW the truth. She wasn't there. No .... I don't believe anyone in Aruba is TELLING her what happened, or is filling her in on this investigation .... especially not now.

It's no secret how I feel about making money off of a "missing Natalee", especially with a book proclaiming to be the TRUTH. I find it reprehensible.

....... And before anyone asks .... this includes Joran's book also.

JMO

I don't plan on reading the book either, fairmaiden. But I was just trying to think of a cover which would be more interesting.

I do have some questions which Beth could answer but I don't expect them to be in the book. I would also like to see the photos I have heard about but not seen.

In several shows, Beth said that is a story for another day, well todays the day, I hope. Other things weren't relevant but throw them in anyway.

I see the possibility of packing the book with new and interesting information but I doubt it.

[Luke Davis]

Oct. 2 (http://www.discoverlongisland.com/calendar_detail.cfm/event/6377/group_ID/1)

Date: 10/2/07
Time: 8:00 PM
Region: North Shore
Event classification: Arts & Culture

[Luke Davis]

the book is at WalMart (http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/09/beths-book-is-in.html)

[Luke Davis]

Book Tour (http://www.harpercollins.com/Author/Tour.aspx?authorID=33337)

:read: Signing tour.

[Luke Davis]

Book Review (http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/09/beths-book-is-terrific-must-read-5.html)

:read:

[Luke Davis]

On another board, a poster said Greta and Beth are now in Aruba! Hard to believe and no link. But it certainly would create some excitement as the book is released. Still can't find anyone outside our board who has read Beth's book and is willing to comment on it.

[Luke Davis]

On another board, a poster said Greta and Beth are now in Aruba! Hard to believe and no link. But it certainly would create some excitement as the book is released. Still can't find anyone outside our board who has read Beth's book and is willing to comment on it.

this just in (http://http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/30/out-of-country/)

[fairmaiden]

this just in (http://http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/30/out-of-country/)

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

This link is advertising the CMA Awards/Country Music ???

[Luke Davis]

Hi Luke .... :seeya:

This link is advertising the CMA Awards/Country Music ???

:confused: Sorry. It was Greta's blog. Greta and Beth are in Aruba and went to CnC. Anita wanted to see them but Beth didn't have time. Don't know what went wrong with the link.:shrug:

[Luke Davis]

Greta Blog (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/30/anita/)

[Luke Davis]

We managed to talk our way into the security area of the casino where Joran met Natalie. It is also where Beth - in the middle of the night her first night in Aruba - reviewed the surveilance tapes of Joran in the casino. But here is what surprised us - on the wall in the secure area was a framed signed Bret Favre jersey. Greta blog

[Luke Davis]

http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/airport.jpg

Greta heads home.

But the highlight? The Aruba Police Station….wait until you see this video! After the police in Aruba see this video I am never coming back here. But the police can’t blame me for the video….the camera does not lie. I am not kidding…the video is …well, you will see it Wednesday night.

[Luke Davis]

http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/beth6.jpg

Beth leaves One Happy Island.

[Luke Davis]

Greta video (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/30/since-brett-favre-broke-the-record-today-yes-my-husband-called-me-in-aruba-to-tell-me-check-this-out/)

[Luke Davis]

Aruba photos (http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2424/8/#jc_allComments)

[Luke Davis]

http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/aruba7.jpg

[bchand]

http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/airport.jpg

Greta heads home.

I just saw Beth on Good Morning America. I think she ruined Greta's surprise video for Wednesday night.

Beth said they went to the police station in Nord and there were NO policeman there. (So much for going to the police for help according to Beth.)

I assume the video will show an empty police station.

[Luke Davis]

Greta teaser (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2foVVrjKJhg)

Loving Natalee (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2foVVrjKJhg)

[Luke Davis]

Beth returns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Wp9Sn2Vxs)

[Luke Davis]

Good Morning America Lee Pace; author Beth Holloway. 7 a.m. KABC 77574

Wednesday (http://www.calendarlive.com/tv/cl-et-tvtalk3oct03,0,2773987.story?coll=cl-tvent-utility-right)

[Luke Davis]

WTOK (http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/10187591.html)

Beth Holloway Twitty has written a book about the love and faith that sustained her during her search for her daughter, and to this day.

.................................................. ...........................

[Luke Davis]

"This is Beth. Tell me wha'cha got."

It's the police spokesman calling the top line. "We have a girl, and we think she is Natalee. Go to Bubali station. We want you to identify her."

About this time Jug, who is out on searches, get the same tip from the island newspaper reporter. "Julia found a girl and thinks it's Natalee. Let's meet at Bubali."

All the positive energy created with the unity of hundreds of people over the last day or two expires in one long exhalation. And my very swollen, unrecognizable face, photographed leaving Bubali station soon appears in the media.

GMA (http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/Story?id=3675252&page=3)

[Luke Davis]

Beth and Greta went to the same police station they went to in 2005. A new police station has been built down the street. The old one is used as storage for the beach patrol.

This is being reported by many people at various comment places.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Greta on Big Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1I52AkaUs)

JQK talking about investigation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsrewa68GXI)

[Luke Davis]

mother's nightmare (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1191399527281350.xml&coll=2)

Publicist Diane Mancher said Harper Collins, which owns HarperOne, won't allow Holloway to talk to newspaper reporters before Friday, when People magazine publishes its interview with Holloway. People bought first rights to excerpt the book, Mancher said.

Holloway wrote the book with her friend Sunny Tillman, a freelance writer from Birmingham, who Tuesday evening was headed with Holloway to her first book signing, at Book Revue in Huntington, N.Y.

"I think this book will inspire people on many levels," Tillman said in a telephone interview. "It will inspire others who have seemingly insurmountable challenges to hang on, seek hope and have faith."

[Luke Davis]

"It's important for me to tell you what happened, how it happened, how I felt and how I reacted along this tragic journey," she writes. "And to finally answer the questions I've been asked a thousand times."

[Luke Davis]

GMA Part 2 (http://blogsfornatalee.com/2007/10/03/good-morning-america-abc-news-beth-holloway-part-2/)

[Luke Davis]

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #328 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)
Popular in these categories: (What’s this?)
#4 in Books > Parenting & Families > Family Relationships
#6 in Books > Nonfiction > True Accounts > True Crime
#19 in Books > Religion & Spirituality > Spirituality

GretaWire (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)


Information only.

[Luke Davis]

Beth on Greta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whYy77C1JLQ)

transcript (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299356,00.html)

[Luke Davis]

Beth on FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100307/100307_greta_beth2&A%20Family%27s%20Pain&On_the_Record&Beth%20Holloway%20reveals%20how%20she%20and%20her% 20ex%2Dhusband%20learned%20to%20co%2Dexist%20follo wing%20their%20daughter%27s%20disappearance&On%20the%20Record&-1&&&&&new)

[Luke Davis]

"What occurred during the most horrific and tragic event imaginable has to be told because I represent every parent and Natalee represents every young adult."

Beth has been speaking to churches, schools, victims' rights organizations and law enforcement groups about personal and travel safety and to share Natalee's story.

Book Signing
Meet Beth Holloway
Borders Books
830 N. Michigan Ave.
Monday, 7 p.m.




ABC (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=websites&id=5692229)

Although the story made headlines around the world, the shocking truth about what really went on behind the scenes has never been told.

[Luke Davis]

Also at the party: Dominick Dunne, Robin Byrd and Anna Nicole's unpopular mother, Virgie Arthur. Arthur's lawyer John O'Quinn said Arthur was preparing to sue for custody of Dannielynn, Smith's baby by Larry Birkhead, who has custody. Arthur cried as she embraced Beth Twitty, the mother of high-school senior Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005.


Dailty News (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/r_m/2007/10/05/2007-10-05_rosie_odonnell_barbara_walters_fired_me_.html)

[Luke Davis]

BOR (http://http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?tab=nb&client=netscape-pp&ie=ISO-8859-1&rls=com.netscape:en-US&q=beth+holloway&scoring=d)


Good interview.

[Luke Davis]

Oct. 22

PTL (http://www.cbn.com/700club/ShowInfo/Schedule/index.aspx)

[Luke Davis]

Life Today (http://www.star-telegram.com/religion/story/259085.html)

EULESS -- Beth Holloway, whose daughter disappeared during a senior trip in Aruba, will discuss her continuing search

[No Nic]

I have just finished the book and I must say it was very good and very enlightening about what Aruba really is all about. Anyone that reads this story will never visit that island of evil depravity. I feel so sorry for anyone who has no choice but to live there, what their lives must be like, I cannot even imagine.

Government sanctioned crack houses for God Sake !! Instead of attempting to clean up their drug problem, they enable it, after all there is tons of money to be made from illegal drugs.

imo

[Luke Davis]

I have just finished the book and I must say it was very good and very enlightening about what Aruba really is all about. Anyone that reads this story will never visit that island of evil depravity. I feel so sorry for anyone who has no choice but to live there, what their lives must be like, I cannot even imagine.

Government sanctioned crack houses for God Sake !! Instead of attempting to clean up their drug problem, they enable it, after all there is tons of money to be made from illegal drugs.

imo

If I understand Beth, she says go, but go prepared. Visit her site, learn the precautions, then go.

BOR (http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/10/beth-holloway-bill-oreilly-1052007.html)

Bill ask Beth several times to make sure.

But I agree, for years to come, people who read the book will not be lured by the drugs and party atmosphere.

[No Nic]

If I understand Beth, she says go, but go prepared. Visit her site, learn the precautions, then go.

BOR (http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/10/beth-holloway-bill-oreilly-1052007.html)

Bill ask Beth several times to make sure.

But I agree, for years to come, people who read the book will not be lured by the drugs and party atmosphere.

I don't recall her saying "go" specifically to Aruba, I find it hard to believe that she would say "go to Aruba", if asked that specific question (ICBW). Wouldn't matter to me if she did say "go to Aruba", after following this case and reading her book there is no way I would go or let any of my loved ones go. If fact, I think I will support US tourism, lots of fun to be had and places to see right here. Practicing Safe travels, of course. Thanks, Beth.

imo

[No Nic]

If I understand Beth, she says go, but go prepared. Visit her site, learn the precautions, then go.

BOR (http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/10/beth-holloway-bill-oreilly-1052007.html)

Bill ask Beth several times to make sure.

But I agree, for years to come, people who read the book will not be lured by the drugs and party atmosphere.

Almost forgot, Luke. Congrats on your "member of the month" award.

[fairmaiden]

I don't recall her saying "go" specifically to Aruba, I find it hard to believe that she would say "go to Aruba", if asked that specific question (ICBW). Wouldn't matter to me if she did say "go to Aruba", after following this case and reading her book there is no way I would go or let any of my loved ones go. If fact, I think I will support US tourism, lots of fun to be had and places to see right here. Practicing Safe travels, of course. Thanks, Beth.

imo

LOL .... I was sitting here trying to figure out what "ICBW" meant .... lol. I think I got it ....

Thanks for posting that Luke. It was a very interesting interview. I have to admit, I was surprised, No Nic. I believe BOR was asking her what advice she would give to 18-yr. olds who were planning on going to Aruba. I think it was obvious they were talking about Aruba. IIRC, Beth said ((para)) if they research very carefully where they are going .... she gave ISTF as a place to do that research .... then she would "recommend they go".

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Almost forgot, Luke. Congrats on your "member of the month" award.
Thanks No Nic. Yes, Bill has a way of cutting people off. Hard to say what she meant. :shrug:

[Luke Davis]

You know, I know nothing about Aruba. It's never been anywhere I thought about going, even BEFORE this happened. I have a problem with those who researched this trip though .... if they DID research it. How long have they had "Government sanctioned crack houses"?? Wouldn't anyone who planned to send kids there RESEARCH that ?? Especially if they were aware they weren't going to be supervised in any way ?? Those were KIDS .... 17 and 18 years old !!

JMO

Hi FM:seeya:

I think it was well researched and it was a traditional trip. Sex, Sun, surf, suds, etc..... woohoo Aruba!:hat:

[HiLife]

I have just finished the book and I must say it was very good and very enlightening about what Aruba really is all about. Anyone that reads this story will never visit that island of evil depravity. I feel so sorry for anyone who has no choice but to live there, what their lives must be like, I cannot even imagine.

Government sanctioned crack houses for God Sake !! Instead of attempting to clean up their drug problem, they enable it, after all there is tons of money to be made from illegal drugs.

imo


Wow, NN, you're a SPEED READER! I got the book late last night and have only read 3 chapters. I didn't get a chance to continue today, as I had to be out all day.

FairMaiden: After reading the first few chapters, I believe this book is worth the read - after reading it, you will understand Beth in a way not possible before. I sincerely mean this. When reading, you will see that Beth could be anyone of us. She explains her family background, her past.

Suki, I can see why you were impressed with the book!

I'm not the "emotional" type of person - it takes a LOT to make me cry. The Preface pulled at my heart in a way I didn't expect. As a mother, if you have ever experienced any kind of tragedy or grief with a child, you will relate.

Beth expresses herself in a very sincere, direct, clear and much more emotional level than I've ever heard. She does a good job of "personalizing" Natalee and herself.

What surprised me the most and what jumps out is a deep sense of faith. The theme of the Preface is "HOPE." The words she uses to describe her ordeal are all the words you would expect and more.
=============
Beth explaining why she never broke down in public:

Beth: If I had described to the media what I was really going through, these good people might have thrown up their hands and stopped praying. And that's the last thing I needed. I was afraid if I revealed the true anguish and despair we were experiencing and broke down in front of the cameras for all the world to see, those who were praying for us would simply give up, decide it was a hopeless cause.
=============

The First chapter, In Natalee's Room, she brings Natalee to life in a way only a mother can do. THe last page of this chapter, describing her anguish and pain, it brought me to tears.

THe book starts out with a poem written by Natalee:

Life

Life is a hard journey we all take.
Unfortunately, it's not equipped with any brakes.

The probability of being perfect is extremely slim.
Indeed, we all have our odds and ends.

Every now and then you are told a lie.
Before you know it ten years have gone by.

Positive thoughts come in by the day.
Negative people take them away.

Time multiplies our days to years.
Every now and then we shed a tear.

In life, love should be the base.
We must cherish every face.

[HiLife]

There was also the explanation of the drive from Hot Springs to Birmingham. Beth was with two friends. Beth was in the back seat. Beth got the call from Jodi Berman. When it was explained about Natalee, the three women went into full action/grief mode. The three women were in a panic and crying. To make matters worse, the driver had a daughter who had recently died, was relating to this, crying and driving on and off the road. That is why Beth decided to take over the wheel. She mentally forced herself to focus on how to get to Aruba.

One of the ladies in the car knew a private pilot and made the calls. According to Beth, the women were on the phone the whole trip back making all kinds of arrangements and getting information. Matt would call giving Beth telephone numbers of various agencies, people, friends, etc. I can see how they were able to mobilize what they needed to get to Aruba.

Jug seemed laid back about it, saying Natalee would turn up. Beth knew she had to get to Aruba. That weekend, Jug had gone to be with HIS family and friends up at some lake and that's why Beth decided to go to HER family and friends up at her family house on a lake. Their marriage didn't seem to be going well. When the subject of the trip came up, Beth words this in a way that it seems SHE had to find a way to pay for the trip - didn't sound like Jug was helping pay at all.

Also, regarding her divorce from Dave, Beth uses the phrase "there was a long arduous custody battle" (she ultimately won). So the divorce from Dave sounds like it was very contentious.

Before going on the trip, Beth spoke with a former Mountain Brook student who told her he had also gone to Aruba for his Senior class trip. He told her how at C&C's there were some young men trying to convince two of the girls in his group to go with them - the guy says he fortunately stepped in and stopped this and felt it would have been dangerous for the girls of his group. Beth told Natalee about this in her many warnings before Natalee left for Aruba. Natalee was well aware.

When Beth first arrived on the Island, and found the info about Joran (Thomas Twitty was on the phone with Beth and Jug while they reviewed the tapes of the casino, describing Joran and where he had sat in reference to Thomas at the table, and what he wore. This is how Beth and Jug saw what Joran looked like.)

The casino manager told her about Joran, in the casino frequently and that he was good looking and "LOOKED LIKE A DUTCH MARINE" (this is probably where that ridiculous rumor of "The Dutch Marine" came from!!!!)

I haven't finished the book, but it does help to explain some of the rumors out there.

jmo

[Luke Davis]

Great report HiLife! Raises more questions but I'll be patient. :hat:

I've heard the interview in People is very good.

[fairmaiden]

Hi FM:seeya:

I think it was well researched and it was a traditional trip. Sex, Sun, surf, suds, etc..... woohoo Aruba!:hat:

Hey Luke .... :seeya:

CONGRATULATIONS !!!! You deserve it.

[Luke Davis]

Loving Natalee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C92Us1dUwUc)

[Luke Davis]

Greta's equipment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrKOJ_eNr3Q)

[fairmaiden]

I don' think you are going to find out about the gov't sanctioned crack houses by researching Aruba, this is not something they advertise, no doubt. The good people of Aruba that were helping the family search for Natalee were who revealed this. Supposedly, many unsuspecting tourists have been held in those houses until their bank accounts have been drained.

It all boils down to, who you believe. After watching this investigation and reading about this investigation (both in the US AND Aruban news) and reading the various blogs, I know who I believe. IMO, it is all just so OBVIOUS.

You really should read the book, Fair. For those who have been thirsting for knowledge about Natalee, what she was like, etc. it is all in the book.

imo

No Nic .... I haven't read any of the books about this case, written by anyone !! It's my belief that the books are written to put money in the pockets of those who wrote them.

You're right .... it all boils down to who you believe. I consider myself a reasonable person, and NOTHING about this case is obvious to me. In fact, I've never seen a case with so many twists and turns as this one has. As I've said before, we ((all of us)) are at somewhat of a disadvantage, because we're not privy to a lot of things.

It may come as a surprise .... but I really don't thirst for knowledge about Natalee. How she was, as a person, isn't really important to me. I would like to know what happened to her .... that's why I've been posting here for this length of time. Whether Natalee carried a 4.0 average, or sat at the bottom of her class means nothing, in the grand scheme of things. What happened to her DOES matter, and to me, that's a mystery.

JMO

[HiLife]

Great report HiLife! Raises more questions but I'll be patient. :hat:

I've heard the interview in People is very good.
Hi Luke!

What questions, so far?


More:

Beth also describes how she was going at 120mph (she said the car was doing well) - and they were making repeated calls to 911, telling 911 they were speeding and why, mile markers they were at, to please give her an escort, and to not pull her over. A Trooper saw her, clocked her at 110mph and pulled her over. She describes how she frantically ran out of the car - trooper told her to stop - the other two women ran frantically out of the car screaming that Beth's daughter had been kidnapped. The trooper angrily told them to stop. He told the other two to get back in the car and he had Beth come into his car and talked with her. She told him what she knew. He sympathized. When he heard she couldn't reach the FBI in Bimingham because of the holiday, he helped locate a number in Washington of the FBI and he gave her a warning, to slow down. She slowed down to 85mph.

Friends of Natalee, Liz and Francis Ellen both said they would stay on Aruba and wait for Beth, at first Beth accepts, then thinking, Beth insisted that EVERYONE come back home for safety sake.

Beth describes her horrible guilt feeling of not having activated ther international calling on Natalee's phone - she is beating herself up over everything.

jmo

[HiLife]

No Nic .... I haven't read any of the books about this case, written by anyone !! It's my belief that the books are written to put money in the pockets of those who wrote them.

You're right .... it all boils down to who you believe. I consider myself a reasonable person, and NOTHING about this case is obvious to me. In fact, I've never seen a case with so many twists and turns as this one has. As I've said before, we ((all of us)) are at somewhat of a disadvantage, because we're not privy to a lot of things.

It may come as a surprise .... but I really don't thirst for knowledge about Natalee. How she was, as a person, isn't really important to me. I would like to know what happened to her .... that's why I've been posting here for this length of time. Whether Natalee carried a 4.0 average, or sat at the bottom of her class means nothing, in the grand scheme of things. What happened to her DOES matter, and to me, that's a mystery.

JMO

I have not bought anything about this case either, FM. But since you are here, discussing and asking questions about Natalee and Beth, the suggestion that you buy the book is a good one and really the only solution.

As far as "putting money in pockets" - this is a nonsensical argument. Every single day, we buy things and spend our money on things and we do not know what our money is "funding." Many of us would be surprised or would not want or like our money going to many of the places funded by the products we buy.

At least with the book, you would be informed. For you to say you "don't thirst for knowledge about Natalee" actually surprises me and sounds quite disengenuous, considering the amount of time spent here.

If you don't "thirst", then why do you ask many of the questions you ask here? You've had many questions (???), complained about and questioned Beth's motives. The book would help answer all that.

I see it as a refusal to approach the problem with an open mind. As abhorrent as Joran is to us, we have read the translated excerpts to be able to factually (as much as we can say "factually" about Joran's fiction lol!) discuss with those who support him. I see it as another, deeper facet of the story we have been following now for 2.5 years.

jmo

[Luke Davis]

Reviews (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0061452270/ref=pd_sl_aw_open-1_book_39817095_4)

People who have read the book are posting their reviews and they are fairly predictable. 7 give 5 stars and love it. 3 give 1 star and hate it. But one person gives 3 stars and I think is very fair. (sounds like our fairmaiden)

By S. Redman (Dallas, Tx) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
I liked the book, primarily because I enjoy good first-person narrative accounts of very personal dramatic experiences and Beth has accomplished that quite well, describing her miserable first days and the frustrating first few weeks looking in vain for her missing daughter on the island of Aruba. If you are looking for some kind of a case-solving revelations, you won't find them here.

much more

[Luke Davis]

Hi Luke!

What questions, so far?


More:

Beth also describes how she was going at 120mph (she said the car was doing well) - and they were making repeated calls to 911, telling 911 they were speeding and why, mile markers they were at, to please give her an escort, and to not pull her over. A Trooper saw her, clocked her at 110mph and pulled her over. She describes how she frantically ran out of the car - trooper told her to stop - the other two women ran frantically out of the car screaming that Beth's daughter had been kidnapped. The trooper angrily told them to stop. He told the other two to get back in the car and he had Beth come into his car and talked with her. She told him what she knew. He sympathized. When he heard she couldn't reach the FBI in Bimingham because of the holiday, he helped locate a number in Washington of the FBI and he gave her a warning, to slow down. She slowed down to 85mph.

Friends of Natalee, Liz and Francis Ellen both said they would stay on Aruba and wait for Beth, at first Beth accepts, then thinking, Beth insisted that EVERYONE come back home for safety sake.

Beth describes her horrible guilt feeling of not having activated ther international calling on Natalee's phone - she is beating herself up over everything.

jmo

I guess Beth had international calling activated then? Because when she gets there she is talking to Thomas Twitty from the casino. Or was she using the casino phone? Doesn't really matter, just questions flashing through my mind.

[HiLife]

I guess Beth had international calling activated then? Because when she gets there she is talking to Thomas Twitty from the casino. Or was she using the casino phone? Doesn't really matter, just questions flashing through my mind.

You're right - she got the international calling activated either on the way to Aruba or when she got there. It turned out to be such an easy thing to do. Yes, this is how they spoke to Thomas while reviewing the tapes.

jmo

eta - she activated the international calling on the ride to the airport in Birmingham.

[No Nic]

Wow, NN, you're a SPEED READER! I got the book late last night and have only read 3 chapters. I didn't get a chance to continue today, as I had to be out all day.

FairMaiden: After reading the first few chapters, I believe this book is worth the read - after reading it, you will understand Beth in a way not possible before. I sincerely mean this. When reading, you will see that Beth could be anyone of us. She explains her family background, her past.

Suki, I can see why you were impressed with the book!

I'm not the "emotional" type of person - it takes a LOT to make me cry. The Preface pulled at my heart in a way I didn't expect. As a mother, if you have ever experienced any kind of tragedy or grief with a child, you will relate.

Beth expresses herself in a very sincere, direct, clear and much more emotional level than I've ever heard. She does a good job of "personalizing" Natalee and herself.

What surprised me the most and what jumps out is a deep sense of faith. The theme of the Preface is "HOPE." The words she uses to describe her ordeal are all the words you would expect and more.
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Beth explaining why she never broke down in public:

Beth: If I had described to the media what I was really going through, these good people might have thrown up their hands and stopped praying. And that's the last thing I needed. I was afraid if I revealed the true anguish and despair we were experiencing and broke down in front of the cameras for all the world to see, those who were praying for us would simply give up, decide it was a hopeless cause.
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The First chapter, In Natalee's Room, she brings Natalee to life in a way only a mother can do. THe last page of this chapter, describing her anguish and pain, it brought me to tears.

THe book starts out with a poem written by Natalee:

Life

Life is a hard journey we all take.
Unfortunately, it's not equipped with any brakes.

The probability of being perfect is extremely slim.
Indeed, we all have our odds and ends.

Every now and then you are told a lie.
Before you know it ten years have gone by.

Positive thoughts come in by the day.
Negative people take them away.

Time multiplies our days to years.
Every now and then we shed a tear.

In life, love should be the base.
We must cherish every face.

I couldn't put it down last night until very very late and finished it this morning. A very good read, imo. It revealed a lot about what was happening in those 1st days and weeks in Aruba and what this family was put through is horrendous.

Let me know what you think about the night/early morning Beth was in the company of Julia and (I believe) Angela at the restaurant while the men went to "buy" Natalee's way out of the crack house.

imo

[HiLife]

I couldn't put it down last night until very very late and finished it this morning. A very good read, imo. It revealed a lot about what was happening in those 1st days and weeks in Aruba and what this family was put through is horrendous.

Let me know what you think about the night/early morning Beth was in the company of Julia and (I believe) Angela at the restaurant while the men went to "buy" Natalee's way out of the crack house.

imo

By 2:00am my eyes were blurring! I'll read some more tonight (right now I've been forced to watch "Guys and Dolls" by my daughter, a Musical fanatic). Can't wait to read more, especially the real story on Julia!

Did you find, like me, that last page of "In Natalee's Room," absolutely heart wrenching? I could feel her pain.

jmo

[No Nic]

By 2:00am my eyes were blurring! I'll read some more tonight (right now I've been forced to watch "Guys and Dolls" by my daughter, a Musical fanatic). Can't wait to read more, especially the real story on Julia!

Did you find, like me, that last page of "In Natalee's Room," absolutely heart wrenching? I could feel her pain.

jmo

Truthfully, I found each and every page of this book "absolutely heart wrenching". Yes, her pain was quite obvious.

As far as Julia...Beth did not waste a lot of space on her (rightfully so), but what was there tells all you really need to know.

imo

[Luke Davis]

By 2:00am my eyes were blurring! I'll read some more tonight (right now I've been forced to watch "Guys and Dolls" by my daughter, a Musical fanatic). Can't wait to read more, especially the real story on Julia!

Did you find, like me, that last page of "In Natalee's Room," absolutely heart wrenching? I could feel her pain.

jmo

Very sad but I can't help wondering what Natalee's room looks like now. I wonder if they will bring the wall out ever.:shrug:

[HiLife]

Very sad but I can't help wondering what Natalee's room looks like now. I wonder if they will bring the wall out ever.:shrug:

I wouldn't think Beth created a new room for Natalee in the new house? Is it later in the book, NN?

The hardest (again, by Beth's painful despcription) had to be to pack up Natalee's room in Jug's house, where she'd lived for years. Maybe it was a forced blessing for Beth to be able to move on with her life.

jmo

[HiLife]

Truthfully, I found each and every page of this book "absolutely heart wrenching". Yes, her pain was quite obvious.

As far as Julia...Beth did not waste a lot of space on her (rightfully so), but what was there tells all you really need to know.

imo

I'm glad Beth didn't give her too much importance, if in the end, Julia has done, written and continued to write the vindictive things she has about the family.

I find Beth to be a very direct person, and she explains why that is when describing her father and how she grew up. How I see it is that Beth has done everything in her power and more - she has nothing to feel guilty about, did not fail Natalee and has kept her memory alive to the world.

I find her an everyday normal person, placed in an extraordinary, painful situation.

jmo

[No Nic]

I'm glad Beth didn't give her too much importance, if in the end, Julia has done, written and continued to write the vindictive things she has about the family.

I find Beth to be a very direct person, and she explains why that is when describing her father and how she grew up. How I see it is that Beth has done everything in her power and more - she has nothing to feel guilty about, did not fail Natalee and has kept her memory alive to the world.

I find her an everyday normal person, placed in an extraordinary, painful situation.

jmo

I agree, HL. There have been many reputable persons that have praised Beth for everything she has done to find her daughter, regardless of what is put on blogs in an attempt to trash, belittle and defame her. In reality, in the big picture those attempts are meaningless. Petty jealousy ? Failings in their own lives ? Who knows ?

And, no, she did not set up a room in her new home for Natalee, although she does have some special items on display. You will read about that so I will say no more.

imo

[fairmaiden]

I have not bought anything about this case either, FM. But since you are here, discussing and asking questions about Natalee and Beth, the suggestion that you buy the book is a good one and really the only solution.

As far as "putting money in pockets" - this is a nonsensical argument. Every single day, we buy things and spend our money on things and we do not know what our money is "funding." Many of us would be surprised or would not want or like our money going to many of the places funded by the products we buy.

At least with the book, you would be informed. For you to say you "don't thirst for knowledge about Natalee" actually surprises me and sounds quite disengenuous, considering the amount of time spent here.

If you don't "thirst", then why do you ask many of the questions you ask here? You've had many questions (???), complained about and questioned Beth's motives. The book would help answer all that.

I see it as a refusal to approach the problem with an open mind. As abhorrent as Joran is to us, we have read the translated excerpts to be able to factually (as much as we can say "factually" about Joran's fiction lol!) discuss with those who support him. I see it as another, deeper facet of the story we have been following now for 2.5 years.

jmo

You may think it's a "nonsensical argument", HiLife .... that's what makes horse races. There are many people who seem to be making money off of Natalee's name. I've rarely seen "commercialism" flourish like it seems to in this case.

I can't think of a question I've asked about Natalee here. I'm here because I'm interested in the outcome of this case. Yes I do question Beth's motives. I have from the outset. That only makes me have a different opinion than you do .... it doesn't make me disingenuous. If you think my posts are "disingenuous", I would suggest you don't either read or respond to them.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Reviews (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0061452270/ref=pd_sl_aw_open-1_book_39817095_4)

People who have read the book are posting their reviews and they are fairly predictable. 7 give 5 stars and love it. 3 give 1 star and hate it. But one person gives 3 stars and I think is very fair. (sounds like our fairmaiden)



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Thank you Luke .... :seeya:

[fairmaiden]

BAD storm here .... Goodnight all ....

[Luke Davis]

I do have one silly question. I know Beth had some help writing the book. I also know I don't write anything like I talk. So, I am wondering does Beth read like Beth? That is if you didn't know who wrote the book and were reading it, would you say, OH OH that's Beth!?

In recent interviews, I have found Beth doesn't sound like the old Beth. Her voice seems higher but she is more mellow. She doesn't have the fire in the belly. I think that is a good thing. She may be over the rage.

I thought of her while watching The War. A vet who had been a POW and tortured daily hated the people of Japan for years. Then one day he thought, I hate them and they don't know it.

Not that Beth should ever give up hope but the hate and rage had to be taking a toll on her.

[Luke Davis]

BAD storm here .... Goodnight all ....
:rose: For your pillow....sweet dreams.:hat:

[HiLife]

I do have one silly question. I know Beth had some help writing the book. I also know I don't write anything like I talk. So, I am wondering does Beth read like Beth? That is if you didn't know who wrote the book and were reading it, would you say, OH OH that's Beth!?

In recent interviews, I have found Beth doesn't sound like the old Beth. Her voice seems higher but she is more mellow. She doesn't have the fire in the belly. I think that is a good thing. She may be over the rage.

I thought of her while watching The War. A vet who had been a POW and tortured daily hated the people of Japan for years. Then one day he thought, I hate them and they don't know it.

Not that Beth should ever give up hope but the hate and rage had to be taking a toll on her.

You always come up with good questions, Luke. Of course, Beth's familiar speech patterns were not there due to editing. Beth, when she speaks, uses far too many "you knows" and "ummms" and other distracting speech patterns. The writing did seem like her in a calm way, as you aptly describe. Without the rage and raw emotion when questioned in person.

You're right about what rage and bitterness cause. Physical illness, even. I agree that Beth seems to be coming out of it. The divorce had to be yet another trauma to survive.

In the book, I can feel that Beth has an extremely direct style. Maybe she is better at putting her feelings and thoughts in writing. Everyone is different.

jmo

[Luke Davis]

You always come up with good questions, Luke. Of course, Beth's familiar speech patterns were not there due to editing. Beth, when she speaks, uses far too many "you knows" and "ummms" and other distracting speech patterns. The writing did seem like her in a calm way, as you aptly describe. Without the rage and raw emotion when questioned in person.

You're right about what rage and bitterness cause. Physical illness, even. I agree that Beth seems to be coming out of it. The divorce had to be yet another trauma to survive.

In the book, I can feel that Beth has an extremely direct style. Maybe she is better at putting her feelings and thoughts in writing. Everyone is different.

jmo

Thank you HiLife. I've looked at several transcripts of Beth's interview and have yet to see her mention "rape". :shrug:

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[HiLife]

Thank you HiLife. I've looked at several transcripts of Beth's interview and have yet to see her mention "rape". :shrug:
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I'll look for it in the book.

Saw your little good night sign...so, Nite Luke!

[Chocoholic]

I do have one silly question. I know Beth had some help writing the book. I also know I don't write anything like I talk. So, I am wondering does Beth read like Beth? That is if you didn't know who wrote the book and were reading it, would you say, OH OH that's Beth!?

In recent interviews, I have found Beth doesn't sound like the old Beth. Her voice seems higher but she is more mellow. She doesn't have the fire in the belly. I think that is a good thing. She may be over the rage.

I thought of her while watching The War. A vet who had been a POW and tortured daily hated the people of Japan for years. Then one day he thought, I hate them and they don't know it.

Not that Beth should ever give up hope but the hate and rage had to be taking a toll on her.
But unlike POWs she had her lovebowls take care of the toll the hatred took on her. She looks so you know "rested" now. LOL

bht gave up hope on day 10 when she demanded her daughter's death certificate. Thank goodness she never broke any nails in the search of her daughter and that she had her mother doing all the ironing for her.

imo

[fairmaiden]

Unless you've had me on ignore for the past 2 yrs you would have seen that I have translated numerous articles from Dutch to English. Feel free to continue this discussion in Dutch :D

I don't have the guts to read bht's book? No dear, I don't have the stomach for it (very good gag reflex and all), but the nice thing is that for the short portions that have been posted, they aren't bad translations made to suit the poster's agenda.

Interesting that you think you know me so well LMAO, glad you threw in that "jmo" in there. Afraid indeed.... http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif

Let me know when bht stops lying, don't worry, you'll have lots of time.

Hey Choco .... :seeya:

I think it's going a bit far to say one doesn't have the "guts to read Beth's book". There are many books I wouldn't want to read .... this being one of them.

I wonder if I would be termed "gutless" because I didn't read Dave's book either ??

JMO

[HiLife]

Dave isn't the one who has been slammed, obviously. :rolleyes: The whole point in reading Beth's book is that it is so much easier to not acknowledge the one who has been slammed all this time, by reading the truth. Also, what fun would there be in having to stop the criticism by actually having to read the book and having the answers? Guess that would be boring.

jmo

[HiLife]

I couldn't put it down last night until very very late and finished it this morning. A very good read, imo. It revealed a lot about what was happening in those 1st days and weeks in Aruba and what this family was put through is horrendous.

Let me know what you think about the night/early morning Beth was in the company of Julia and (I believe) Angela at the restaurant while the men went to "buy" Natalee's way out of the crack house.

imo
Hey, NN!

I'm almost finished (to about page 155). I saw the blurb about Julia and wow, what a couple of looney tunes! What was with that "come meet my friends" charade? And how about Julia's cruel set up?

You are correct in saying that it was not just one chapter that pains you for what Beth went though. It is throughout the entire book that you can feel the sorrow and excruciating pain.

What Natalee's family endured in only that first week is not to be believed. Det. Jacobs and Jan Van der Straten should be ashamed of themselves. Hopefully, this book will show others their true colors!

jmo

[HiLife]

Also, No Nic or Suki or anyone that has read the book:

1) What do you think about Paulus being there at the Holiday Inn at the front desk in that first week? That has really put me over the line about his involvement - there's no denying he was in it for at least the cover up - fully.


2) What about the susupect "Vader/Thomas" ?? How strange is that and what was the final resolution?

jmo

[No Nic]

Hey, NN!

I'm almost finished (to about page 155). I saw the blurb about Julia and wow, what a couple of looney tunes! What was with that "come meet my friends" charade? And how about Julia's cruel set up?

You are correct in saying that it was not just one chapter that pains you for what Beth went though. It is throughout the entire book that you can feel the sorrow and excruciating pain.

What Natalee's family endured in only that first week is not to be believed. Det. Jacobs and Jan Van der Straten should be ashamed of themselves. Hopefully, this book will show others their true colors!

jmo

Natalee's family was treated inhumanely and with extreme cruelty from the moment they set foot on that island, except for a few locals that truly wanted to help, Beth was clear in showing her gratitude to those individuals.

What did you think about the rat in the rafters in that restaurant? Do all restaurants in Aruba have rats? Are they Wharf Rats?

imo

[HiLife]

Reviews (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0061452270/ref=pd_sl_aw_open-1_book_39817095_4)

People who have read the book are posting their reviews and they are fairly predictable. 7 give 5 stars and love it. 3 give 1 star and hate it. But one person gives 3 stars and I think is very fair. (sounds like our fairmaiden)

Quote:
By S. Redman (Dallas, Tx) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
I liked the book, primarily because I enjoy good first-person narrative accounts of very personal dramatic experiences and Beth has accomplished that quite well, describing her miserable first days and the frustrating first few weeks looking in vain for her missing daughter on the island of Aruba. If you are looking for some kind of a case-solving revelations, you won't find them here.

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I believe this to be a fair assessment, except that I hope no one unrealistically thought they could SOLVE the case? LOLOL!! It does have details we haven't heard before.

I especially like how the rumor of the "Dutch Marine," stated by the casino manager who was talking about JORAN, became this whole huge love story! To the point that a taxi driver is claimed to have heard Natalee talking about him - the mythical Dutch Marine.....lol!! Anything not to blame Joran, I guess! ROFLMBO!

JMO

[HiLife]

Natalee's family was treated inhumanely and with extreme cruelty from the moment they set foot on that island, except for a few locals that truly wanted to help, Beth was clear in showing her gratitude to those individuals.

What did you think about the rat in the rafters in that restaurant? Do all restaurants in Aruba have rats? Are they Wharf Rats?

imo

LOLOLOL!!!!! Lots of wharfs in Aruba! I grossed out over the holes that Beth thought the rats came through! My stomach turned.

While reading all the false leads and the police attitude....they put the family through h3ll that first week and thereafter. What about VADER???

jmo

[HiLife]

How about the FBI interviewing the MB Students that very first week?

That surprised me - didn't know it was so fast!

jmo

[Luke Davis]

Birmingham (http://www.al.com/business/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/business/1191745352198690.xml&coll=2)

Shares of Birmingham-based Books-A-Million rose after the company announced celebrity book signings. Television and movie star Alan Alda will appear at the Brookwood Village store today to sign his latest book, a memoir. On Oct. 6, Beth Holloway signed her book at Brookwood Village. It is a memoir dedicated to her daughter Natalee, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005.

[Luke Davis]

book signing (http://youtube.com/profile?user=JLBVideos)

[fairmaiden]

I don't know why you don't get that you would see why Beth has done what she has done......ig you read the book! Since you refuse to read the book, you can't know it won't alter your opinion.

It would be nice after all this time on this forum to be able to have a book discussion and a sharing of thoughts and ideas. I'm sorry you have no desire to join and participate.

jmo

HiLife .... That's just a wrong statement to make. I have no desire to read the book. That has nothing to do with my participation in this forum. I've participated LONG before this book came out.

JMO

[HiLife]

HiLife .... That's just a wrong statement to make. I have no desire to read the book. That has nothing to do with my participation in this forum. I've participated LONG before this book came out.

JMO

I wasn't talking about the forum discussion in general. I was speaking specifically as to book discussions.

Personally, I find it unproductive to just lobby insults/questions about the VDS and Beth back and forth like a ping pong game. When something different comes up, providing new material for discussion, it would be nice if all could participate. It could also cut down on the questions. Wouldn't it be nice after 2.5 years to be able to give some of the questions a rest?

jmo

[fairmaiden]

I wasn't talking about the forum discussion in general. I was speaking specifically as to book discussions.

Personally, I find it unproductive to just lobby insults/questions about the VDS and Beth back and forth like a ping pong game. When something different comes up, providing new material for discussion, it would be nice if all could participate. It could also cut down on the questions. Wouldn't it be nice after 2.5 years to be able to give some of the questions a rest?

jmo

Oh WOW .... Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Surely you're not saying, because you've read this book, you have no more questions ?? I think I will CONSTANTLY be asking questions about this case.

Perhaps you're right though .... since I didn't read the book, or have any interest in reading it .... and since you feel only those who HAVE read it, belong on this thread .... consider me gone from it.

JMO

[HiLife]

Oh WOW .... Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Surely you're not saying, because you've read this book, you have no more questions ?? I think I will CONSTANTLY be asking questions about this case.

Perhaps you're right though .... since I didn't read the book, or have any interest in reading it .... and since you feel only those who HAVE read it, belong on this thread .... consider me gone from it.

JMO

How did you arrive at "have no more questions" when I clearly wrote in black and white "cut down on some of the questions??"

It's difficult when posters misconstrue posts.

jmo

[No Nic]

page 183

The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.

Unfreakingbelievable, imo

[HiLife]

page 183

Quote:
The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.

Unfreakingbelievable, imo

I wonder why the Dutch were so surprised at the rinky dink methods/tactics of ALE? I was more disappointed that when they re-opened the investigation this past Spring, they did nothing.....especially when there was so much to work with!!

JMO

[HiLife]

Unfreakingbelievable, imo

How about when they FIRST went into the casino with Paulus and the polce when they first went looking for Joran (and Joran had gone to the house) and were told immediately who they'd seen a blonde girl with in the early morning hours? That blew me away!

You read this, and like you say, unfreakingbelievable. It is so obvious! jmo.

[No Nic]

How about when they FIRST went into the casino with Paulus and the polce when they first went looking for Joran (and Joran had gone to the house) and were told immediately who they'd seen a blonde girl with in the early morning hours? That blew me away!

You read this, and like you say, unfreakingbelievable. It is so obvious! jmo.

Page 121

we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two clalmed to be at a poker tournament there.....the same time we were standing in the van der Sloots yard in the wee hours of May 30.

Of course they weren't playing poker....Deepaks car was seen inside the gate at the Van der Sloots just before the family showed up there. I believe the Van der Sloots knew the family was on the island and asking questions about Joran, they were tipped off and their lies and cover ups had already started.

imo

[HiLife]

Page 121

Of course they weren't playing poker....Deepaks car was seen inside the gate at the Van der Sloots just before the family showed up there. I believe the Van der Sloots knew the family was on the island and asking questions about Joran, they were tipped off and their lies and cover ups had already started.

imo


Exactly, NN! Another surprise. Deepak's car was out of there fast! Then Paulus with his wimpy, not knowing where Joran was act. It was 3:00AM on a school night! Also, remember how loud Deepak's car is.....as IF the VDS' enabler-couple extraordinare didn't hear Joran "sneaking out."

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: (for each Van de Sloot Enabler!)

jmo

eta - Beth rightly noticed that Paulus came out with CELL PHONE IN HAND....3:00am and he supposedly didn't know anything about Joran sneaking out! What a LIAR!!! ------> Paulus' pants on fire --->:flamemad:

[Luke Davis]

Deserves a BUMP!Here it comes...










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[HiLife]

Page 84

"The group of men....come up with the idea to try to find Joran at his school to see if they can talk to him directly......the assistant headmaster takes them to his office....as he leads them, they ask if Joran attends this school. "yes, yes." And he has been sleeping here."

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So, Joran was sleeping at the school! Seems PVDS and JVDS snow the poor headmaster with their lies about the HI drop off story.

PVDS must be persona non grata on that Island by now!

jmo

[No Nic]

Exactly, NN! Another surprise. Deepak's car was out of there fast! Then Paulus with his wimpy, not knowing where Joran was act. It was 3:00AM on a school night! Also, remember how loud Deepak's car is.....as IF the VDS' enabler-couple extraordinare didn't hear Joran "sneaking out."

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: (for each Van de Sloot Enabler!)

jmo

ALE know ALL about their torrid underbelly and appear have and "ho hum" attitude regarding this filth. From Jacobs on page 78.

And I softly divulge my worst fear...as if saying it quietly will make it untrue...that she is being held for sexual exploitation. Rape...Pornography..Torture. Jacobs pipes up "Oh, you don't have to worry about that. We have puntas for sex. The drug addicts don't take the tourists for sex, just for money".

Good Lord, the ALE knows this and still the gov't sanctions crack houses?? No need for a boycott, who would willingly go to this Sodom and Gomorrah??

If the Dutch are not ashamed of this dirty little island, they very well should be !!!

imo

[HiLife]

ALE know ALL about their torrid underbelly and appear have and "ho hum" attitude regarding this filth. From Jacobs on page 78.

Good Lord, the ALE knows this and still the gov't sanctions crack houses?? No need for a boycott, who would willingly go to this Sodom and Gomorrah??

If the Dutch are not ashamed of this dirty little island, they very well should be !!!

imo


Well, hey.....it's ORGANIZED dirt and debauchery. That makes it all ok. :rolleyes:

Another thing that impressed me was how well organized the group had become, all working together.....

1) The women hitting the streets during the day, raising awareness.

2) Jug and his group were going nightly to the seedy crack houses and endangering their lives.

3) Dave was physically at the dump and other places searching.

I can't see how they could have done more. It is true how inhumane ALE was to the family. It is a fact now exposed to the world.

jmo

[HiLife]

Here it comes...

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Ouch, Luke! :D

[HiLife]

This part cut to the core, NN. So telling. It brought back the fact of how despicable, callous and cold-hearted he was in FIRST just not telling the truth under such serious conditions. And now we see, Paulus was right there, going along with fooling a desperate family looking for their daughter.


Page 52

Next Joran squats down by the slightly open door and comes close to me. I hold up Natalee's picture and say to him, "I want my daughter back. Give her back."

Popping his chest with an open palm he says, "What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?"

By his words, countenance and body language, I take this to mean that it's too late. There's nothing any of us can do. He doesn't say, 'I don't know what happened to her, or I have nothing to do with your daughter's disappearance or I'm so sorry..how can I help you?' And a sickening feeling washes over me.

jmo

[Luke Davis]

READ THE BOOK.


jmoIn the book it says Beth did not call for a boycott, just don't travel there.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbHG1Zr76ho&mode=related&search=)

[HiLife]

I guess I was naive before following this case and being introduced to message boards. I truly did not realize how these families were maligned by people that know nothing about them and seem to revel in their tragedies.

imo

Me, too, NN, me too. I wasn't prepared either. I took for granted that most people could empathize, and apparently this is not the case.

Did you read the part of the DEA agent who had first helped them upon their arrival on the island? :eek: (page 55) So mysterious!

Also, I was surprised to know there is no U.S. Consular office on Aruba. ANother vicious accusation against Beth debunked.

jmo

[HiLife]

Unfortunately, it was all the Joran supporters who wondered why Beth didn't go to the U.S. Consulate. Thus the accusations being DEBUNKED.


jmo

[No Nic]

Me, too, NN, me too. I wasn't prepared either. I took for granted that most people could empathize, and apparently this is not the case.

Did you read the part of the DEA agent who had first helped them upon their arrival on the island? :eek: (page 55) So mysterious!

Also, I was surprised to know there is no U.S. Consular office on Aruba. ANother vicious accusation against Beth debunked.

jmo

All the more reason not to go to Aruba. There is ABSOLUTELY NO ONE there that will help you, they will leave you at the mercy of their gov't sanctioned crackheads and if you are "disappeared" ...SO WHAT !! Must have been your own fault, we must protect our tourism.

I hope all those Aruban officials read Beth's book and Greta's blog. If so, they are most likely calling emergency meetings on how to counter act, make up more stories about Natalee and her family in their feeble attempts to save tourism. What is being revealed is most surely going to affect what little American tourism they have left (as many of Greta's blog comments indicate). This tragedy that Aruba allowed to happen is not going to go away any time soon it appears. Dave and Beth both have stated they will continue till the day they die. I applaud them and support them 100%, I will never stop discouraging everyone I encounter to stay away from that he!! hole. I am passing Beth's book to everyone that I know.

MODERN DAY SODOM AND GAMORRAH HAS BEEN REVEALED !!

imo

[ortiga]

"And a sickening feeling washes over me."

Funny, that's pretty much how I feel when I see that renovated ex grieving mother, it's been easy to avoid getting into the fray, since she lied so much for 2 years, how can anyone take what is in her book to be the truth? I see that in the interviews she doesn't have any cameras focused on her from the side. Good thing.

Do you guys think she's gonna mention Ramsey or she gonna keep her private life private. lol

IMO

[ortiga]

http://dallasobserver.com/search/events.php?oid=755655

"Many of you no doubt remember the 2005 case of Natalee Holloway, the pretty young blonde who disappeared in Aruba after a senior trip culminated in a night of foreigners and body shots at Carlos 'n' Charlie's. (After all, you can take the girl out of Alabama, but you can't take the Alabama out of the girl.)"

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You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time....

Abe Lincoln. Who would not have been taken in by the Natalee product money machine.


IMO

[No Nic]

I can just see Julia/Glenda spinning herself into a tizzy. Det. Jacobs and Jan Van der Straten should be hiding in their homes. This is a revealing book about the h3llhole that is Aruba and their government sanctioned crack houses, prostitutes, drug addicts, rat infested, flea bitten netherworld. I, too, will be recommending this book

Wonder if Anita is going to now come out with a book, trying to "balance the scales" (:D ) so to speak. She and Paulus have a lot of 'splainin' to do. (not that anyone will believe them!)

jmo

Wouldn't be worth wasting the paper it would be printed on. Who in their right mind would care what these enablers of a sociopath would say in an attempt to excuse themselves and the sociopath?

Would be interesting to hear from the decent people of Aruba on their feelings towards the VDS family. Can't be pretty.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Beth Holloway’s Book Loving Natalee (out Oct. 2)

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #420 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)
Popular in these categories: (What’s this?)
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#6 in Books > Nonfiction > True Accounts > True Crime
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[Luke Davis]

Beth radio interview (http://www.wjr.com/Article.asp?id=488337&spid=6521)

Beth Holloway has written a new book about her daughter Natalee and she talks first to Paul W. Smith

[Luke Davis]

interview (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/?action=view&current=BethRadio100407.flv)

same interview, another link

This guy doesn't like Greta.

[ortiga]

http://safetravels.org/

Logical, sensible travel tips from a site that does not solicit money from the reader.

[Luke Davis]

Loving Natalee (http://www.actueelnieuwsonline.nl/bericht-568220.html)