Goldmans Sue

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
you have offered some SOLID GOLD thoughts there.

martin II

Thank you ;)

[sassylassy]

I totally get what you're saying, but I guess I just view the events differently. I was a battered woman, and martin will try to say that all battered women think this and that, but that's not true. When I speak of my experiences it's just to try to shed some light on some things that people who haven't been through it might not get. Do you know what I'm saying?

My husband didn't rage all of the time either, in fact he never once raged when another person was around (other than our kids). But there were times when I had broken bones and black eyes when he raged in the privacy of our own home. And you know what? No one believed me when I tried to tell. They didn't believe me because all they saw was this guy who was successful and handsome, charming and kind. And the kicker is that he absolutely could be charming and kind. I still couldn't tell you why some things set him off and some didn't. There were times when I'd do something that made me think he would beat me blind and he didn't and there were times when he came at me when I'd done nothing other than sit on the couch and turn on the tv.

I can't offer the definitive of what ran through OJ's mind. Who knows for sure what makes people do crazy things? But, sometimes I know it's possible for someone to be able to take just so much before they explode. Maybe it was a whole bunch of things that were going on in his life ... the only thing I know for certain is that obsessive love can make people do things that are crazy.

If nothing else, thanks a ton for the up-front and honest, and NICE debate.

Cheers :beer:

Thank you for having the courage to educate us w/ your personal experiences, I'm sure its painful for you to recount some of the horrific pain that you have endured...

I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you & I wish you much peace with your days ahead...:rose:

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

So, you think it's understandable that he was in a tizzy? But, he was screaming about Keith that night also. And, you think it was all about his kids right? He was only upset that she was doing it with the kids in the house. Then why would he force his way in, scream and yell and talk about those things while the kids were in the house? That's a double standard and therefore in my opinion negates his "worried about the kids" stance. He hung out with the same people that Nicole did. And, the kids were around. And, if he was so worried that the kids find Nicole and Keith then why would he scream about it out loud where the kids could hear? I thought he was trying to protect the kids???? Nicole was begging for him to quiet down so he didn't wake up the kids. So, Nicole was worried about the kids but OJ wasn't? It's all about control. He doesn't get to dictate who she can and can't hang out with. Did anything happen? No. Did the kids walk in? No. Did he consider her a good mother? Yes. So, why wouldn't he trust her judgement? Why wouldn't he just tell her to be careful. Why does he get to force his way in and scream at her to tell her what she should and shouldn't do?

That incident was more than just a tizzy. Nicole was terrified. She was crying. She knew that at any minute it could turn into something much more.

Tazzy,

I said I found OJS behaviour unacceptable that night.

but that I understood what set him off into a rage/tizzy

big difference:read:imo

[martin II]

Thank you for having the courage to educate us w/ your personal experiences, I'm sure its painful for you to recount some of the horrific pain that you have endured...

I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you & I wish you much peace with your days ahead...:rose:

sassy hi

From what has been leaked out about the contents of this book, one chapter
is suppose to be about the "details" of this hypothetical murder. The other chapters are about Oj talking about himself and his relationship with Niolce.

martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

OJ should not have kicked in the door. At that time he had no right to say who she could 'HANG OUT WITH" But he had every right to tell her that he did not want his kids around the kind of people that it was reported that were at the party.

She could have allowed the kids to stay at OJ house or Coras house for the night of the party.

martin II

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

You're right, it was May. May the 22nd. That's not quite three weeks before her murder. Or, over two weeks before her muder. She gave the bracelet back. I think OJ knew it was truly over at that point.

Yes, they did live in the same area. And, it would be understandable for them to "run into" each other. But, what's not understandable is the intimidation when he's got his own girlfriend (and always had one). And, Nicole said he would be EVERYWHERE she went. He was actually following her. She told several people this. She told her mother she was scared of him and that he was following her. She showed her mother the book regarding abuse and highlighted the parts that were like her and told her mother.

The call was introduced into the trial. So, it was more than "thought" to be Nicole Simpson. And, Dudley Moore's wife didn't say it was her. That leaves Nicole Simpson. That's why they were allowed to introduce it. To show her "frame of mind".

I personally think Ojs knew it was over when they divorced but that's just moo...

I think intimidation was a form of control becuz ojs felt he had to protect his interests. Someone sold a story about him & Nicole to the tabloids- we know ojs was obsessive over his image, stuff like that could effect his earnings etc..which is one reason why I think he had an interest in who Nicole hung out with & what was going on.

I thought OJS was out of town for most of the time (leading up to the murders) so when was he stalking her? :shrug:

its been a long time... I have forgotten the "details" of the call, anyone have a link?:seeya:

All IMO MOO

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

From what has been leaked out about the contents of this book, one chapter
is suppose to be about the "details" of this hypothetical murder. The other chapters are about Oj talking about himself and his relationship with Niolce.

martin II

Thats what I understand as well....:read:

[martin II]

I recall Fred Goldman's rage was also becuz he didnt want the public to read this garbage, then he started the boycott of the book, the same book that he is now selling?

I dont get it :shrug:

but it does sound like we might get to read the damn book after all...:eek:lol
;) imo jmo

sassy hi

I am wondering if HC has already turned the rights over to L Brooks?

martin II

[martin II]

I personally think Ojs knew it was over when they divorced but that's just moo...

I think intimidation was a form of control becuz ojs felt he had to protect his interests. Someone sold a story about him & Nicole to the tabloids- we know ojs was obsessive over his image, stuff like that could effect his earnings etc..which is one reason why I think he had an interest in who Nicole hung out with & what was going on.

I thought OJS was out of town for most of the time (leading up to the murders) so when was he stalking her? :shrug:

its been a long time... I have forgotten the "details" of the call, anyone have a link?:seeya:

All IMO MOO

Ssaay hi

i think oj was on the east coast the week or two before the murders. So there was no stalking or abuse then.

martin II

[sassylassy]

Ssaay hi

i think oj was on the east coast the week or two before the murders. So there was no stalking or abuse then.

martin II

I will do a search to see if we can find his calendar of events for May/June

I am curious to read what ojs was up too...:read:

[martin II]

tazzy hi
If Nicole gave oj the bracelet back to oj two weeks before she was killed, that supports the time that she was suppose to have written the letter to cora as she did complain about Oj giving the bracelet to that B**** Paula.
The one with the little legs that was not that HOT.

Martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

I am wondering if HC has already turned the rights over to L Brooks?

martin II

I'm not sure what's going down w/ L.Brooks but I do highly suspect that the Goldman's will go after any profits.

what I don't understand is why don't the Brown's get anything out of this?:shrug:

why are the Goldman's only being awarded money?:read:

IMO MOO

[sassylassy]

When I read the definitions of abuse, I don't see OJS fitting into the pattern
& I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are just my questions....


Examples of abuse include:

name-calling or putdowns
we have heard of name calling during arguments, but I
consider that normal? I haven't heard that ojs called Nicole names or put her down.

keeping a partner from contacting their family or friends

OJS had a very close relationship we/ the Browns & we know Nicole had friends & did her own thing.

withholding money
never heard of anything of the sorts.

stopping a partner from getting or keeping a job
OJS encouraged Nicole to work & helped her build her own design business.

actual or threatened physical harm

I believe threats were made & there was past abuse that Nicole suffered from

sexual assault

none reported.

stalking

being debated now.

intimidation
yes.


http://www.domesticviolence.org/define.html

[martin II]

When I read the definitions of abuse, I don't see OJS fitting into the pattern
& I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are just my questions....


Examples of abuse include:

name-calling or putdowns
we have heard of name calling during arguments, but I
consider that normal? I haven't heard that ojs called Nicole names or put her down.

keeping a partner from contacting their family or friends

OJS had a very close relationship we/ the Browns & we know Nicole had friends & did her own thing.

withholding money
never heard of anything of the sorts.

stopping a partner from getting or keeping a job
OJS encouraged Nicole to work & helped her build her own design business.

actual or threatened physical harm

I believe threats were made & there was past abuse that Nicole suffered from

sexual assault

none reported.

stalking

being debated now.

intimidation
yes.


http://www.domesticviolence.org/define.html

SASSY HI
Thanks for that piece of clarity.

martin II

[martin II]

I'm not sure what's going down w/ L.Brooks but I do highly suspect that the Goldman's will go after any profits.

what I don't understand is why don't the Brown's get anything out of this?:shrug:

why are the Goldman's only being awarded money?:read:

IMO MOO

sassy hi
Freds lawyer was on cnn friday night and stated that Fred is now considering if he wants to sell the book. If there is no successful appeal.Decision has not been made yet.

Fred filed the suite on behalf of Himself. He did not include the browns.

PS. Fred also filed suite against lou brown in an attempt to get the court to force Lou to pay him the $300,000 Lou owes oj.

Martin II

[martin II]

I will do a search to see if we can find his calendar of events for May/June

I am curious to read what ojs was up too...:read:

sassy hi
from memory, he was in new york and two other east coast cities. I know a friend invited him to visit on Long Island but not sure he made that visit.

martin II

[martin II]

I recall Fred Goldman's rage was also becuz he didnt want the public to read this garbage, then he started the boycott of the book, the same book that he is now selling?

I dont get it :shrug:

but it does sound like we might get to read the damn book after all...:eek:lol
;) imo jmo

sassy hi
when Harper collins intended to sell the book by Oj it was garbage and filth.

Now that fred thinks he will sell it, it is 'A confession" or a historical document
that Americans need to read.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
i believe you may be pulling my leg when you say you believe mario. did he ever give you proof of the limo hidden compartmentor the beating LAPD gave him or the bag in the lake lie??
martinii

Hi Martin,

I have seen a picture of him after the beating. And, I have seen the documents that he has regarding his filing the complaint.

I know that it is important for you not to believe the bag in the lake comment. But, it remains that there are two independent people who claim this. That bolsters that accusation. Does it "prove" it? No. But, I do believe it. You can't say it's a lie because you don't know.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

you may or may not have seen this before but i just saw it on a site posted by mario.
Please note;
1.Her comments about faye hating oj.
2. her comments about Paula
3. her comments about her sister Denise's lifestyle.
4. Nicole bragging that she controls OJ. HHMMMM

martin II

Here's the text:

"Cora,

Sorry I had to get off so fast the other night. O.J. brought the kids
home
early and I wanted to talk to him about the bracelet. Remember I told
you I
gave it back to him - well, He gave it to that ***** he's been
seeing!!! Can you
believe it!! He's a piece of work, huh?

I don't know why I should even give a **** what he does - but the
truth is I
do! Iv'e seen her and she's not so hot - skinny and big lips. He
says she's
a nice girl and I wish him well, but it still bugs me. Isn't that
strange.
I still have that "power" over him though - like when I moved in
last year.
He took me right back in a second. He would again too - I know it. We
just
have each other in the blood I guess.

I've told you before, it's the sex- always was, always will be. he
just
gets too rough, that's all. It used to be a turn - on - now I'm
black and blue
for days. Not only that we make so much noise I'm afraid the kids
will hear,
oh well. He gets angry when I say no but I'm really conflicted -
sometimes I
want in - sometimes I want out - you know what I've been going
through. Agony
.

You know Faye - she hates him - but secretly I think she's really
"hot" for
O.J. So the tension when he stops buy is awful. He's on me, she's
on me -
everybody's on me. It's a nightmare. I'm always tired. Stress
I guess. All
wound up. I hate having someone around all the times. So many people.
I
don't even know, or like for that matter coming and going - So, if I
seem edgy
Cora I'm only concerned about the kids.

Faye hangs with a crowd that frankly scares me. She's really a nice
person
but very addictive. I've had my flings - see what this lifestyle did
to
Denise. The children are too important. I can't give O.J. any
excuses (like he's
perfect..) but he's right too. He doesn't like her for a reason.
he says
she's a lousy mother - maybe, but she's got problems - that why I
try to help.
Oh well, see you Tues. don't say anything to you know - who.
We'll take
it one day at a time.

Nicole"


Sure put's a different "LIGHT" about what Nicole Simpson thought and knew about her sister Denise Brown.

Nicole says that the "CROWD" that Faye Resnick hangs with scare's her. I'll bet it did.

Read into everyone.......................................... .

Hi Martin,

So, do you believe this is a true letter from Nicole? Do you believe Mario or not? Why do you keep talking about him if you don't believe him? I don't get it. lol

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

Tazzy,

I said I found OJS behaviour unacceptable that night.

but that I understood what set him off into a rage/tizzy

big difference:read:imo

Hi Sassy,

I saw where you said it was unacceptable. But, how can you "understand" what "set him off" that night? The "reason" he went "off" is unacceptable to me also.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

OJ should not have kicked in the door. At that time he had no right to say who she could 'HANG OUT WITH" But he had every right to tell her that he did not want his kids around the kind of people that it was reported that were at the party.

She could have allowed the kids to stay at OJ house or Coras house for the night of the party.

martin II

Hi Martin,

Why do you feel this way when OJ himself had some of the same people at his own house whent he kids were there? He didn't find a problem with it then. Only when he wanted to control Nicole.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

When I read the definitions of abuse, I don't see OJS fitting into the pattern
& I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are just my questions....


Examples of abuse include:

name-calling or putdowns
we have heard of name calling during arguments, but I
consider that normal? I haven't heard that ojs called Nicole names or put her down.

keeping a partner from contacting their family or friends

OJS had a very close relationship we/ the Browns & we know Nicole had friends & did her own thing.

withholding money
never heard of anything of the sorts.

stopping a partner from getting or keeping a job
OJS encouraged Nicole to work & helped her build her own design business.

actual or threatened physical harm

I believe threats were made & there was past abuse that Nicole suffered from

sexual assault

none reported.

stalking

being debated now.

intimidation
yes.


http://www.domesticviolence.org/define.html


Hi Sassy,

Name Calling......
Yes, he called her fat and lazy. He put her down all the time. He wanted her to wear her hair a certain way. Have you ever read the letter that Nicole wrote to OJ talking about this? Have you ever read her diary entries?

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends......
He didn't want her to hang out with certain people. He tried to dictate who she could and could not hang out with. He didn't just express a concern that she shouldn't hang out with certain people(because of the kids, of course, lol). He actually would go to her house and force himself in and scream and yell at her.

Withholding money......
Or controling by means of money. He threatened to turn her in to the IRS. If she did report the address she would not have much money left.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job.....
I cannot say that I know of any of that at all.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both.

Sexual assault.....
Nicole said that when OJ locked her in the closet he would come and rape her then lock her back up.

Stalking....
Nicole believed that OJ was stalking her. She told several people this.

intimidation...
we agree.

IMO this is very classic abuse. In a case of abuse there is so much more that is never told or reported. At least Nicole has pictures and reports where she called police. If she didn't I don't think many people would have believed that OJ could have abused her. He had such a squeaky clean image. But, that was only his public image.

:shrug:

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Why do you feel this way when OJ himself had some of the same people at his own house whent he kids were there? He didn't find a problem with it then. Only when he wanted to control Nicole.

:shrug:

tazzy hi
I don't think oj had KZ or any of the prostitues that were present at Nicole party at his house.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
I don't think oj had KZ or any of the prostitues that were present at Nicole party at his house.
martin II


Hi Martin,

Yes, I have posted this before and backed it up and will not do it again. She met the girl through OJ. She was married to an aquaintance of OJ. She was at OJ's house with her husband who was friends with OJ. So, it was okay then for her to come over but not when it was Nicole's house. That's a double standard and CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

Don't you get it, Martin? It was an excuse. Christy, OJ's girlfriend did (does) coccaine. He even told the cops this. But, she came over to his house. She was and (as far as I know) still is his girlfriend. Why would OJ allow her to be around his kids? Why would he allow her to come over and endanger his children?

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Yes, I have posted this before and backed it up and will not do it again. She met the girl through OJ. She was married to an aquaintance of OJ. She was at OJ's house with her husband who was friends with OJ. So, it was okay then for her to come over but not when it was Nicole's house. That's a double standard and CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

Don't you get it, Martin? It was an excuse. Christy, OJ's girlfriend did (does) coccaine. He even told the cops this. But, she came over to his house. She was and (as far as I know) still is his girlfriend. Why would OJ allow her to be around his kids? Why would he allow her to come over and endanger his children?

tazzy hi

Herbert Becker a Canadian publisher on ctv said he wants to buy the rights to the book. He believes he can RAISE $7 TO 10 MIL from the sale of the book. He believes that there is current damand for the book.
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

Yes, I have posted this before and backed it up and will not do it again. She met the girl through OJ. She was married to an aquaintance of OJ. She was at OJ's house with her husband who was friends with OJ. So, it was okay then for her to come over but not when it was Nicole's house. That's a double standard and CONTROLLING BEHAVIOR.

Don't you get it, Martin? It was an excuse. Christy, OJ's girlfriend did (does) coccaine. He even told the cops this. But, she came over to his house. She was and (as far as I know) still is his girlfriend. Why would OJ allow her to be around his kids? Why would he allow her to come over and endanger his children?

tazzh hi
if Nicole was going to have a blast (party) at her house where drug addicts and prostitutes would be present, she should have taken the kids to OJ'S or Coras or her mothers house and had her party.The kids did not need to be present.

martin II

[martin II]

Hi Sassy,

Name Calling......
Yes, he called her fat and lazy. He put her down all the time. He wanted her to wear her hair a certain way. Have you ever read the letter that Nicole wrote to OJ talking about this? Have you ever read her diary entries?

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends......
He didn't want her to hang out with certain people. He tried to dictate who she could and could not hang out with. He didn't just express a concern that she shouldn't hang out with certain people(because of the kids, of course, lol). He actually would go to her house and force himself in and scream and yell at her.

Withholding money......
Or controling by means of money. He threatened to turn her in to the IRS. If she did report the address she would not have much money left.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job.....
I cannot say that I know of any of that at all.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both.

Sexual assault.....
Nicole said that when OJ locked her in the closet he would come and rape her then lock her back up.

Stalking....
Nicole believed that OJ was stalking her. She told several people this.

intimidation...
we agree.

IMO this is very classic abuse. In a case of abuse there is so much more that is never told or reported. At least Nicole has pictures and reports where she called police. If she didn't I don't think many people would have believed that OJ could have abused her. He had such a squeaky clean image. But, that was only his public image.

:shrug:

tazzy here is what i think

name calling
I never read this.Thought he always had praise for her. I guess when she was pregnant she was a little heavy as expected.


keeping her away from friends
she had relations with her family and several lady friends. oj did not like Faye and KZ. She went out with her friends.

Money
Nicole did not work for 17 years so it seems that he was giving money all the time. He did get her 2 interior design jobs but after that she never continued.
He gave her $4000,000 settlement and $10,000 mo child support and she still wanted to play him.

Physical abuse
once in 1989

sex
In her letter to cora just before her death she said she loved having sex with oj although it could get rough.

intimidation
I don't know about that.

Stalking her
In that small community they would see each other. Theyt both liked the same resturants. She was hanging with the wrong crowd and he was concerned if he did stalk her.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzh hi
if Nicole was going to have a blast (party) at her house where drug addicts and prostitutes would be present, she should have taken the kids to OJ'S or Coras or her mothers house and had her party.The kids did not need to be present.

martin II

Hi Martin,

What kind of party do you think it was? lol You're making it out to be more than what it was. They weren't doing drugs and prostituting at the time. OJ didn't take the kids some where else when they were at his house. It's no different. OJ was trying to control Nicole.

[Kayleighjo]

Thank you for having the courage to educate us w/ your personal experiences, I'm sure its painful for you to recount some of the horrific pain that you have endured...

I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you & I wish you much peace with your days ahead...:rose:

You know what, I give the thanks back to you. Why? Because you're willing to be educated and that's a tough one because the cycle of violence can be really hard to understand if you've never been trapped in it.

My kids and I have moved on, but it's still a struggle. Even though my ex husband is dead there are still nights every now and then when I wake up in the dark scared that he's in my house.

I recognize Nicole's situation. The diary entries ring true. The safe deposit box that she left behind says it all. People think it sounds dramatic, but I believe that she knew he'd kill her.

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

What kind of party do you think it was? lol You're making it out to be more than what it was. They weren't doing drugs and prostituting at the time. OJ didn't take the kids some where else when they were at his house. It's no different. OJ was trying to control Nicole.

tazzy hi

I wish i knew exactly what they were doing at the party as you seem to know.
Oj didn't like it and he let her know. Whatever was on her mind is on her but he did not hit her. He was talking to Kato most of the time.

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

Hi Martin,

What kind of party do you think it was? lol You're making it out to be more than what it was. They weren't doing drugs and prostituting at the time. OJ didn't take the kids some where else when they were at his house. It's no different. OJ was trying to control Nicole.

I know, it's as though he thinks that Nicole threw a party with the theme "Drugs and Hookers" emblazoned on huge banners hanging over the door.

Thanks for bringing up Christie. Here was a chick that was a known cocaine freak living under his roof with his kids everyday.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy here is what i think

name calling
I never read this.Thought he always had praise for her. I guess when she was pregnant she was a little heavy as expected.


keeping her away from friends
she had relations with her family and several lady friends. oj did not like Faye and KZ. She went out with her friends.

Money
Nicole did not work for 17 years so it seems that he was giving money all the time. He did get her 2 interior design jobs but after that she never continued.
He gave her $4000,000 settlement and $10,000 mo child support and she still wanted to play him.

Physical abuse
once in 1989

sex
In her letter to cora just before her death she said she loved having sex with oj although it could get rough.

intimidation
I don't know about that.

Stalking her
In that small community they would see each other. Theyt both liked the same resturants. She was hanging with the wrong crowd and he was concerned if he did stalk her.

martin II


Are you making excuses for his behavior? For his abuse, I should say.

Your answers to these show that you don't know what you're talking about. You should look into the letters that Nicole wrote and the diary entries. Then you should check out what her other friends (besides Cora) said. OJ abused her. Classic Case.

Name Calling......
There is never an excuse for calling someone names. Especially when they're vulnerable (like being pregnant). There is no "understandable" reason to call someone names or put them down. Classic Abuse.

Keeping her away from friends.....
It's not OJ's choice who she can and can not hang out with. Especially when he hangs out with the same type of people. He didn't want her to hang out with certain people and FORCED HIS WAY IN HER OWN HOUSE AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER to get his point across. Classic Abuse.

Money....
When OJ met Nicole she had a job. When two people get married they are as one. So, OJ giving Nicole money is something that should happen. They were married. That's not Nicole "taking advantage" of OJ. That's rediculous. And, yes, he tried to hook her up with money making opportunities. But, he also TRIED TO CONTROL HER BY THREATENING FINANCIAL RUIN BY TURNING HER IN TO THE IRS. Classic Abuse.

Physical Abuse.....
There were witnesses to more than one incident of Physical Abuse. Classic Abuse.

Sex....
In her diary she talked about OJ locking her in a closet, coming in and raping her then locking her back up. That's a little more than rough sex. And, I don't think she was referring to that in her letter to Cora. Classic Abuse.

Intimidation....
Well, yes there was MUCH intimidation. Please research the case to understand better. Classic Abuse.

Stalking her....
Nicole felt that OJ was stalking her. It was more than just running in to each other. You're making an excuse "if he did stalk her"?????? That's twisted thinking.

It's really sad the way that you justify the way he treated her.

:confused:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

*snip*

Oj didn't like it and he let her know.

martin II

Because OJ is the one who get's to decide what she can and can't do?

:punch:

[tazzybaby]

I know, it's as though he thinks that Nicole threw a party with the theme "Drugs and Hookers" emblazoned on huge banners hanging over the door.

Thanks for bringing up Christie. Here was a chick that was a known cocaine freak living under his roof with his kids everyday.

Hi Kayleighjo,

I know!

Christie is a HUGE point here. It just shows that he was trying to control her.

[martin II]

Because OJ is the one who get's to decide what she can and can't do?

:punch:

tazzy hi

oj does not get to decide what she does with her life. When they parted she
dated many many men according to fayes testimony. According to Cora she and faye made the bar scene picking up men and oj never stopped her. so she
lived this dangerous life without interferance by oj.

OJ did have something to say when it came to HIS kids regardless of the relationship between him and nicole.imo He did not loose his rights about his kids because of the breakup. I don't think
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

oj does not get to decide what she does with her life. When they parted she
dated many many men according to fayes testimony. According to Cora she and faye made the bar scene picking up men and oj never stopped her. so she
lived this dangerous life without interferance by oj.

OJ did have something to say when it came to HIS kids regardless of the relationship between him and nicole.imo He did not loose his rights about his kids because of the breakup. I don't think
martin II

Hi Martin,

OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went to her house FORCED HIS WAY IN AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER about the kids. It WAS NOT about the kids. If it was....he wouldn't allow the following to happen:

Though agents said they did not find Ecstasy in the home, police inventory records show that four bags of suspected marijuana, cocaine residue, two drug pipes, and a can with marijuana residue were turned up by agents.


Later, Thorburn called Anderson again to see if he had the drugs, but Anderson said he had not yet retrieved them from his car in O.J. Simpson's driveway, records state. He said he was actually walking along Ocean Drive in Miami Beach with Mr. Simpson and his son, Justin, then 12.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

Whether you want to admit it or not....OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went over to her house and forced his way in. Why would he let anyone (Anderson, Christie Prody) around his kids that are involved in drugs but it's understandable for him to freak out on Nicole?????

[martin II]

Are you making excuses for his behavior? For his abuse, I should say.

Your answers to these show that you don't know what you're talking about. You should look into the letters that Nicole wrote and the diary entries. Then you should check out what her other friends (besides Cora) said. OJ abused her. Classic Case.

Name Calling......
There is never an excuse for calling someone names. Especially when they're vulnerable (like being pregnant). There is no "understandable" reason to call someone names or put them down. Classic Abuse.

Keeping her away from friends.....
It's not OJ's choice who she can and can not hang out with. Especially when he hangs out with the same type of people. He didn't want her to hang out with certain people and FORCED HIS WAY IN HER OWN HOUSE AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER to get his point across. Classic Abuse.

Money....
When OJ met Nicole she had a job. When two people get married they are as one. So, OJ giving Nicole money is something that should happen. They were married. That's not Nicole "taking advantage" of OJ. That's rediculous. And, yes, he tried to hook her up with money making opportunities. But, he also TRIED TO CONTROL HER BY THREATENING FINANCIAL RUIN BY TURNING HER IN TO THE IRS. Classic Abuse.

Physical Abuse.....
There were witnesses to more than one incident of Physical Abuse. Classic Abuse.

Sex....
In her diary she talked about OJ locking her in a closet, coming in and raping her then locking her back up. That's a little more than rough sex. And, I don't think she was referring to that in her letter to Cora. Classic Abuse.

Intimidation....
Well, yes there was MUCH intimidation. Please research the case to understand better. Classic Abuse.

Stalking her....
Nicole felt that OJ was stalking her. It was more than just running in to each other. You're making an excuse "if he did stalk her"?????? That's twisted thinking.

It's really sad the way that you justify the way he treated her.

:confused:

tazzy hi
oj decided that since he and nicole were no longer togeather, he was no longer willing to support her in her schemes to defraud the IRS using his address. She was now on her own as she requested. I don't call that abuse.

I have never read that oj had a problem sharing his weath with nicole when they were married or when they divoiced. He tried to give her some financial independance by setting her up in the design business but for some reason she did not follow through and make a go of it. I have never read that oj refused to share his wealth with nicole, Remember he GAVE her a San Francisco condo free, paid off a $400,000 mortage on her fathers home, arranged for her father to have a Hertz franchise and put her sister through school. Gave her $400,000 cash and $10,000 mo child support and signed a least for her home. i don't call that abuse.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
oj decided that since he and nicole were no longer togeather, he was no longer willing to support her in her schemes to defraud the IRS using his address. She was now on her own as she requested. I don't call that abuse.

I have never read that oj had a problem sharing his weath with nicole when they were married or when they divoiced. He tried to give her some financial independance by setting her up in the design business but for some reason she did not follow through and make a go of it. I have never read that oj refused to share his wealth with nicole, Remember he GAVE her a San Francisco condo free, paid off a $400,000 mortage on her fathers home, arranged for her father to have a Hertz franchise and put her sister through school. Gave her $400,000 cash and $10,000 mo child support and signed a least for her home. i don't call that abuse.

martin II

He was doing illegal things too. So, if he's doing illegal things but he threatens to ruin her then what do you call it? Abuse of his power. He was abusing her.

So what if he gave her money...they were married. And, so what if he gave her money after the divorce. He should have. She had his kids. That's not her taking advantage of him. But, him threatening to turn her in when he was doing many more illegal things is definately abuse. Open your eyes Martin.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went to her house FORCED HIS WAY IN AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER about the kids. It WAS NOT about the kids. If it was....he wouldn't allow the following to happen:

Though agents said they did not find Ecstasy in the home, police inventory records show that four bags of suspected marijuana, cocaine residue, two drug pipes, and a can with marijuana residue were turned up by agents.


Later, Thorburn called Anderson again to see if he had the drugs, but Anderson said he had not yet retrieved them from his car in O.J. Simpson's driveway, records state. He said he was actually walking along Ocean Drive in Miami Beach with Mr. Simpson and his son, Justin, then 12.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

Whether you want to admit it or not....OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went over to her house and forced his way in. Why would he let anyone (Anderson, Christie Prody) around his kids that are involved in drugs but it's understandable for him to freak out on Nicole?????

tazzh again
i don't think oj should have kicked in the door at GG.
martin II

[martin II]

He was doing illegal things too. So, if he's doing illegal things but he threatens to ruin her then what do you call it? Abuse of his power. He was abusing her.

So what if he gave her money...they were married. And, so what if he gave her money after the divorce. He should have. She had his kids. That's not her taking advantage of him. But, him threatening to turn her in when he was doing many more illegal things is definately abuse. Open your eyes Martin.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

tazzy hi

oj and nicole both did drugs according to their friends. Oj had no responsibility to support Nicole in her IRS scheme as they had parted, both were going on with their lives. oj had paula and nicole was seeing other men.
She had stated that she wanted her freedom (from him) they were divoiced.
There is no reason why he should have allowed her to involve him in her IRS scheme.
It seems that nicole wanted her freedon but wanted to rely on oj for various kinds of support. He was finished with her.
martin II

martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

oj and nicole both did drugs according to their friends. Oj had no responsibility to support Nicole in her IRS scheme as they had parted, both were going on with their lives. oj had paula and nicole was seeing other men.
She had stated that she wanted her freedom (from him) they were divoiced.
There is no reason why he should have allowed her to involve him in her IRS scheme.
It seems that nicole wanted her freedon but wanted to rely on oj for various kinds of support. He was finished with her.
martin II

martin II

If there was no reason to involve him then why did he go with it at first. He ALLOWED her to do it until he got mad. That's more controlling behavior. "as long as you don't make me mad I won't tell on you" That's controlling.

Using his address was not SUPPORT. She was only using if for a few months. HE allowed her to. So, it looks like OJ wanted to control her even though she was finished with him. He was so mad at her that he threatened to turn her in. If he was finished with her then he wouldn't have been mad. You have it backwards. She gave the jewelry back and that let him know he couldn't buy her love any more. Hmmm ... that's more controlling behavior by trying to buy her love.

She was definately done with him.

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi

oj and nicole both did drugs according to their friends. Oj had no responsibility to support Nicole in her IRS scheme as they had parted, both were going on with their lives. oj had paula and nicole was seeing other men.
She had stated that she wanted her freedom (from him) they were divoiced.
There is no reason why he should have allowed her to involve him in her IRS scheme.
It seems that nicole wanted her freedon but wanted to rely on oj for various kinds of support. He was finished with her.
martin II

martin II

he was so through with her that after he murdered her, he rode around the freeway curled up in a little ball, sniveling like the coward he is.

[martin II]

If there was no reason to involve him then why did he go with it at first. He ALLOWED her to do it until he got mad. That's more controlling behavior. "as long as you don't make me mad I won't tell on you" That's controlling.

Using his address was not SUPPORT. She was only using if for a few months. HE allowed her to. So, it looks like OJ wanted to control her even though she was finished with him. He was so mad at her that he threatened to turn her in. If he was finished with her then he wouldn't have been mad. You have it backwards. She gave the jewelry back and that let him know he couldn't buy her love any more. Hmmm ... that's more controlling behavior by trying to buy her love.

She was definately done with him.

OJ said that when nicole called him yelling and complaining about him allowing faye to go to some event because she thought oj was stealing her friends. he said he decided that was it no more of nicole alling him yelling for no reason. He stated that faye had invited herself to that party.

after this he decided that he did not want to be involved in her scheme. That is his right to decide at any time he decides to. He could cancel his support at any time he wanted to.

look, she gave the bracelett back. OJ just gave it to Paula. no big deal. But nicole wrote cora a letter saying how pissed off she was because he gave the bracelett to paula. It was n one of her business.

she was done with him and he was done with her, If she had any thoughts that she could get him back at any time as she bragged, the IRS letter set her straight. For maby the first time she realized that she could not PLAY oj anymore. imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

enjoy talking to you.
have to leave for a while.
martin II

[martin II]

If there was no reason to involve him then why did he go with it at first. He ALLOWED her to do it until he got mad. That's more controlling behavior. "as long as you don't make me mad I won't tell on you" That's controlling.

Using his address was not SUPPORT. She was only using if for a few months. HE allowed her to. So, it looks like OJ wanted to control her even though she was finished with him. He was so mad at her that he threatened to turn her in. If he was finished with her then he wouldn't have been mad. You have it backwards. She gave the jewelry back and that let him know he couldn't buy her love any more. Hmmm ... that's more controlling behavior by trying to buy her love.

She was definately done with him.

tazzh
Using your logic then oj was trying to buy nicole when he gave her all the gifts he gave during the 17 years. Maby he gave her the condo so she would love him. same for that Italian sports car. Maby she never loved him. Maby he had to always buy her and her family. :shrug:
martin II

[fbgweezer]

tazzh
Using your logic then oj was trying to buy nicole when he gave her all the gifts he gave during the 17 years. Maby he gave her the condo so she would love him. same for that Italian sports car. Maby she never loved him. Maby he had to always buy her and her family. :shrug:
martin II

LOL -- so even though Nicole is dead, orenthal is the victim? Riiiiiiight

[martin II]

LOL -- so even though Nicole is dead, orenthal is the victim? Riiiiiiight

weezer

My post did not make referance to anyone being a victim or nicole being dead.
So i have no idea as to why you posted the above post to me UNLESS you are up to your usual streatching of the facts and inserting YOUR meaning into my comments.imo
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

He was doing illegal things too. So, if he's doing illegal things but he threatens to ruin her then what do you call it? Abuse of his power. He was abusing her.

So what if he gave her money...they were married. And, so what if he gave her money after the divorce. He should have. She had his kids. That's not her taking advantage of him. But, him threatening to turn her in when he was doing many more illegal things is definately abuse. Open your eyes Martin.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

He's never going to open his eyes. But yes, please do keep on trying to "open his eyes!" GMAB!

[2L8 4A D8]

tazzy hi

I wish i knew exactly what they were doing at the party as you seem to know.
Oj didn't like it and he let her know. Whatever was on her mind is on her but he did not hit her. He was talking to Kato most of the time.

martin II

You seem to know exactly what they were doing at the party. "He (OJ) was talking to Kato most of the time." Duh! All IMO!

[socaldiva]

*snip*
OJ said


More "OJ said" :lol:

[martin II]

I recall Fred Goldman's rage was also becuz he didnt want the public to read this garbage, then he started the boycott of the book, the same book that he is now selling?

I dont get it :shrug:

but it does sound like we might get to read the damn book after all...:eek:lol
;) imo jmo


sassy hi
you had asked if the Browns were included. NO is the answer and here are some comments by Denise.



"But Goldman now says his thinking has changed."

"Goldman’s decision angered the Browns, who have adamantly opposed the book’s publication. On Monday, Denise Brown and her family issued a strongly worded statement criticizing the potential publication. “The Goldmans' sudden reversal of positions to justify the auction of these rights and subsequent publication and [their assertion] that ‘the book’ is Simpson’s confession [reveals] their true motive, which is to collect money,” the Brown family statement read. “Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.” Calling the strategy “an overzealous pursuit to collect on the judgment,” the family encouraged people to “speak out against this auction.”

newsweek

[martin II]

tazzy hi

So now i guess you will agree that it was all about getting the money for fred regardless of where it came from.


"The Goldmans and their legal team plan to promote the auction vigorously. This week, attorneys set up a website, ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com, which features O.J.'s old book contract and the judge's order authorizing the auction. In addition, they are sending direct mail solicitations to 1,600 literary agents, publishing houses and movie companies"

newsoweek

[martin II]

tazzy hi

So now we can expect to see fred on LKL promoting the auction and maby the browns after him saying don't buy the book at auction as it is a money grab by fred.
martin II

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi

So now we can expect to see fred on LKL promoting the auction and maby the browns after him saying don't buy the book at auction as it is a money grab by fred.
martin II

you've posted that the story is not true so why are you so bothered about whether or not it's posted? In fact, weren't you the one whining that it was pulled while climbing the charts?

[martin II]

"Overzealous attempt to collect money"

The Brown Family

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

So now i guess you will agree that it was all about getting the money for fred regardless of where it came from.


"The Goldmans and their legal team plan to promote the auction vigorously. This week, attorneys set up a website, ojsimpsonbookrights.blogspot.com, which features O.J.'s old book contract and the judge's order authorizing the auction. In addition, they are sending direct mail solicitations to 1,600 literary agents, publishing houses and movie companies"

newsoweek


Hi Martin,

I do not and never will believe that it is all about the money with Fred. I believe that his lawyer is behind this push for money. I saw a news clip about this and his lawyer was talking about getting money from OJ any way he could. When they asked Fred about it he wasn't happy about it. I believe the lawyer has convinced him that it is the right/smart move. Lawyers like to get paid.

Let me do say this.....I am disturbed that Fred would allow the book to be published. He has a different stand on this now. I do not see this as Fred only trying to get money. If OJ would have done it properly, Fred wouldn't be in this position. So, if you think anyone is doing anything wrong here you need to first look at your man. OJ created a false account to swindle the money to so that he could cheat and keep the money for more drugs, hookers and partying. If the money was for his children then the money would still be there. But, it is gone now.

The number one thing accomplished with this whole thing is that OJ will not be allowed to make any more money from this book. I am so glad for that! He admitted from the beginning that it was all about money. He seems to understand that he is a low life who will do anything for money. I just don't understand why his followers don't?? So, when you say that Fred is only after the money you should also include a phrase that says that OJ is definately only after the money. Even at his children's expense.

[tazzybaby]

"Overzealous attempt to collect money"

The Brown Family


“Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.”

The Brown Family

[Kayleighjo]

If anyone is going to get money from this trash of a book then I'd rather it be Fred Goldman. As long as OJ doesn't get to profit then I'm calling the day good.

It must irk him to have put effort into something that's going to result in money for Fred.

Sweet.

[martin II]

“Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.”

The Brown Family

tazzy hi

That is what the Browns said.They also said it was just a money grab by Fred and that they would advise people not to particiopate in the auction.

Do you know what part of the outrstanding $38,000,000 judgement is owed to the Browns??
martin II

[William Anthony]

If anyone is going to get money from this trash of a book then I'd rather it be Fred Goldman. As long as OJ doesn't get to profit then I'm calling the day good.

It must irk him to have put effort into something that's going to result in money for Fred.

Sweet.

I had the opportunity to see, on tape, the Goldmans in the audience near the beginning of the trial and I was amazed to see Mr. Goldman smiling. This is not a negative comment on Mr. Goldman, but it is a comment on how he perceived race as the paramount factor in the jury's verdict. The change in his demeanor was tremendous.

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi

That is what the Browns said.They also said it was just a money grab by Fred and that they would advise people not to particiopate in the auction.

Do you know what part of the outrstanding $38,000,000 judgement is owed to the Browns??
martin II

I'm going to assume that orenthal being the sleaze he is, probably thought that at some point -- now or in the future -- he could make money off this book. With the Goldmans auctioning off the rights, orenthal will never be in the position to publish the book and/or make money off of it. Woot-woot!

[martin II]

Hi Martin,

I do not and never will believe that it is all about the money with Fred. I believe that his lawyer is behind this push for money. I saw a news clip about this and his lawyer was talking about getting money from OJ any way he could. When they asked Fred about it he wasn't happy about it. I believe the lawyer has convinced him that it is the right/smart move. Lawyers like to get paid.

Let me do say this.....I am disturbed that Fred would allow the book to be published. He has a different stand on this now. I do not see this as Fred only trying to get money. If OJ would have done it properly, Fred wouldn't be in this position. So, if you think anyone is doing anything wrong here you need to first look at your man. OJ created a false account to swindle the money to so that he could cheat and keep the money for more drugs, hookers and partying. If the money was for his children then the money would still be there. But, it is gone now.

The number one thing accomplished with this whole thing is that OJ will not be allowed to make any more money from this book. I am so glad for that! He admitted from the beginning that it was all about money. He seems to understand that he is a low life who will do anything for money. I just don't understand why his followers don't?? So, when you say that Fred is only after the money you should also include a phrase that says that OJ is definately only after the money. Even at his children's expense.

tazzy hi
you don't know if oj added to his childrens trust or not.
If he paid taxes on the house his children benefits.

Fred used oj as the culprit for getting people to protest against the book calling it trash and garbage.People responded and some were happy when H.C. said they destroyed all of the books so it could not be sold.

Fred was on LKL saying the book should not be sold as oj should not have the opportunbity to give his side of the story to the public.
Now Fred is saying the book should be sold because if people do buy it, it will help him get some money oj owes him. If the auction takes place, the money
will not come from oj. It will come from whoever buys the rights.

So yes, it was and is only about money. People that were against the book
in the beginning were experessing some moral support for fred because he had said it was NOT about the money.
Now we know it was about the money regardless of who it came from.
Freds lawyer only does what fred tells them to do. SO DON'T TRY TO SHIFT THE BLAME ONTO THE LAWYERS FOR FREDS DECISION to GRAB the money wherever it is.

OJ made it clear he did it for the money.Fred convinced you that it was not about the money. Now you see what it was about.
martin II

[martin II]

I'm going to assume that orenthal being the sleaze he is, probably thought that at some point -- now or in the future -- he could make money off this book. With the Goldmans auctioning off the rights, orenthal will never be in the position to publish the book and/or make money off of it. Woot-woot!

weezer


OJ has the manuscript or at least a copy. If he is hell bent on selling the book
there is not much that can keep it from being sold by underground publishers outside the U.S. That is big business and would be out of reach of the CA judge.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

[fbgweezer]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

wonder who's paying for his and the girlfriend's drugs?

[martin II]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

tazzy hi
Books are sold in places other than america. You are not considering what people outside the u.s.think about the case. There may be a hugh market for this book in other countries especially if it is underground and cheaper or on the net.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

OJ made it clear he did it for the money.Fred convinced you that it was not about the money. Now you see what it was about.
martin II

Just some more Fred Goldman bashing on your part for which I just consider the source!

First off, I think you need to ask all of us if "we care" what you think!

As long as OJ doesn't profit from the book, I will be very happy. For the Goldman's, I would buy the book and then set it on fire and watch it burn to h311 even if Fred, et al. only see a dime from each purchase of the book! Anything that I can do to show my support to the Goldman's, I will gladly do and then some!

However, the drug loving double-murderer and his even more drug loving despicable girlfriend can rot in h311 for all I care! It is sad that Sydney and Justin have such a disgusting role model for a Father!

:beer: YOU GO FRED, YOU ROCK! :beer:

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

Martin,

No Fred is NOT only trying to make money. He is trying to keep the murderer from making money and not paying his dues. His doing this insures that OJ will not make money off this book ever. Even if Simpson has a copy it wont' do him much good if the book is already out there...lol Why would anyone ever give money to OJ for a book again? After all this?

Fred and his lawyers have done the right thing.

Where are his kids trusts? The trust he created for them was empty. So, why do you keep saying it was for the kids? I mean, what makes you think that? Especially with OJ saying that he spent it on bills. We know he does drugs so maybe he need to get some more.

:shrug:

tazzy hi

tazzy hi

The opinion that many americans have about the case is not necessaraly the opinion the people in other countries have. A book about oj promoted in some countries by oj would sell more than a book about oj promoted by fred.
But we will have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully fred will get money from the company that buys the rights and he will be satisfied to move on.
But it was always about the money, then and now. nothing else.
martin II

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi

tazzy hi

The opinion that many americans have about the case is not necessaraly the opinion the people in other countries have. A book about oj promoted in some countries by oj would sell more than a book about oj promoted by fred.
But we will have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully fred will get money from the company that buys the rights and he will be satisfied to move on.
But it was always about the money, then and now. nothing else.
martin II

From what I'm reading about it, I'm afraid orenthal may be more than a little disappointed in his "popularity" in other countries. Yes, hopefully Fred gets the money from any sale of the rights to the book -- don't you know that it will burn orenthal's backside? LOL

But it was always about the money for orenthal, then and now. Except for the murders of course -- that was all about control and rage.

[martin II]

From what I'm reading about it, I'm afraid orenthal may be more than a little disappointed in his "popularity" in other countries. Yes, hopefully Fred gets the money from any sale of the rights to the book -- don't you know that it will burn orenthal's backside? LOL

But it was always about the money for orenthal, then and now. Except for the murders of course -- that was all about control and rage.

weezer
You are reading the wrong informaiton.

MARTIN ii

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

I saw where you said it was unacceptable. But, how can you "understand" what "set him off" that night? The "reason" he went "off" is unacceptable to me also.

:shrug:


OJS was known to be jealous & have a quick temper, so I "understand" what set him off that nite based on what I am reading about his character..:read:

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

Name Calling......
Yes, he called her fat and lazy. He put her down all the time. He wanted her to wear her hair a certain way. Have you ever read the letter that Nicole wrote to OJ talking about this? Have you ever read her diary entries?

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends......
He didn't want her to hang out with certain people. He tried to dictate who she could and could not hang out with. He didn't just express a concern that she shouldn't hang out with certain people(because of the kids, of course, lol). He actually would go to her house and force himself in and scream and yell at her.

Withholding money......
Or controling by means of money. He threatened to turn her in to the IRS. If she did report the address she would not have much money left.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job.....
I cannot say that I know of any of that at all.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both.

Sexual assault.....
Nicole said that when OJ locked her in the closet he would come and rape her then lock her back up.

Stalking....
Nicole believed that OJ was stalking her. She told several people this.

intimidation...
we agree.

IMO this is very classic abuse. In a case of abuse there is so much more that is never told or reported. At least Nicole has pictures and reports where she called police. If she didn't I don't think many people would have believed that OJ could have abused her. He had such a squeaky clean image. But, that was only his public image.

:shrug:


again, for the record ...I am not denying the abuse happened, but I do believe the abuse stopped after 89, when OJS image was exposed to the public (imo)

name calling: yes he called her names. and Nicole called OJS names. I have called my hubby names many times?
my hubby also prefers that I keep my hair long, he likes it that way- is that abusive?

I cant recall if I read the diary entries, could you please provide me with a source so that I can read them (thanks)

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends:

There was a very close relationship with OJS & the Brown's.
& yes he didn't want her with certain ppl, lets explore why that would be before we debate those issues?

He went to GG once & acted like a moron. what other time did he carry on like this?

Withholding money:

OJS support Nicole for 17 years & was supporting her at the time of her death. Yes OJ gave sent Nicole the IRS letter Notice/ warning.
if OJS really wanted to really Burn Nicole he could have went to the IRS directly, but he didn't & that speaks volumes to me.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job

you can find that in Raging Heart & Faye Resnicks book.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both, yes we do. all recorded prior to 89

Sexual assault
I dont recall reading your answer, could you provide me with your source so I can read it (thanks)

Stalking..
when are the time frames of OJS stalking Nicole, the time frames dont seem to add up? they broke up for 3 wks & we know he was in & out of town during that time frame, so I find it hard to debate this?

intimidation...
we agree, but I think we see it differently.

side note:
my comments are to understand this aspect of the case & I mean no
disrespect to anyone that has suffered any type of abuse.

[sassylassy]

You know what, I give the thanks back to you. Why? Because you're willing to be educated and that's a tough one because the cycle of violence can be really hard to understand if you've never been trapped in it.

My kids and I have moved on, but it's still a struggle. Even though my ex husband is dead there are still nights every now and then when I wake up in the dark scared that he's in my house.

I recognize Nicole's situation. The diary entries ring true. The safe deposit box that she left behind says it all. People think it sounds dramatic, but I believe that she knew he'd kill her.

Thanks for the nice post.

I do feel blessed that I am only learning about physical abuse in text & will never suffer what you & countless other women have suffered!

do you mind if I ask ...how did move on with your life?

I need a refresher on the diaries cuz I cant recall reading them (its been awhile)

do you (or anyone else ) recall how long Nicole had that safety deposit box?

I dont think its dramatic, I think its deep....

peace out to you & yours!

all imo moo :)

[sassylassy]

Hi Martin,

OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went to her house FORCED HIS WAY IN AND SCREAMED AND YELLED AT HER about the kids. It WAS NOT about the kids. If it was....he wouldn't allow the following to happen:

Though agents said they did not find Ecstasy in the home, police inventory records show that four bags of suspected marijuana, cocaine residue, two drug pipes, and a can with marijuana residue were turned up by agents.


Later, Thorburn called Anderson again to see if he had the drugs, but Anderson said he had not yet retrieved them from his car in O.J. Simpson's driveway, records state. He said he was actually walking along Ocean Drive in Miami Beach with Mr. Simpson and his son, Justin, then 12.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2002105120076

Whether you want to admit it or not....OJ was only trying to control Nicole when he went over to her house and forced his way in. Why would he let anyone (Anderson, Christie Prody) around his kids that are involved in drugs but it's understandable for him to freak out on Nicole?????


I just cant compare todays actions to what happened 12 yrs ago ....

but I do agree (if these stories are true) that OJS behaviour & the company he keeps around his children is unaccepted.

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
you had asked if the Browns were included. NO is the answer and here are some comments by Denise.



"But Goldman now says his thinking has changed."

"Goldman’s decision angered the Browns, who have adamantly opposed the book’s publication. On Monday, Denise Brown and her family issued a strongly worded statement criticizing the potential publication. “The Goldmans' sudden reversal of positions to justify the auction of these rights and subsequent publication and [their assertion] that ‘the book’ is Simpson’s confession [reveals] their true motive, which is to collect money,” the Brown family statement read. “Everybody knows Simpson did it; we don't need his written confession.” Calling the strategy “an overzealous pursuit to collect on the judgment,” the family encouraged people to “speak out against this auction.”

newsweek

I must say ITA with the Browns on this one!:read:

[sassylassy]

you've posted that the story is not true so why are you so bothered about whether or not it's posted? In fact, weren't you the one whining that it was pulled while climbing the charts?

anyone here is going to buy the book now & show your support to the Goldman's?:read:

[sassylassy]

snip****If anyone is going to get money from this trash of a book then I'd rather it be Fred Goldman.




I think that any money collected towards the judgement should be automatically divided to pay both parties.

its only fair ((imo)) :)

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
from memory, he was in new york and two other east coast cities. I know a friend invited him to visit on Long Island but not sure he made that visit.

martin II

Hi Martin
was the trip business or pleasure? :seeya:

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
when Harper collins intended to sell the book by Oj it was garbage and filth.

Now that fred thinks he will sell it, it is 'A confession" or a historical document
that Americans need to read.

martin II

I hear ya martin!

:beer:

[sassylassy]

Hi Martin,

I have seen a picture of him after the beating. And, I have seen the documents that he has regarding his filing the complaint.

I know that it is important for you not to believe the bag in the lake comment. But, it remains that there are two independent people who claim this. That bolsters that accusation. Does it "prove" it? No. But, I do believe it. You can't say it's a lie because you don't know.

are those two independent people:
Ac & a porn star? :read:

[sassylassy]

I'm going to assume that orenthal being the sleaze he is, probably thought that at some point -- now or in the future -- he could make money off this book. With the Goldmans auctioning off the rights, orenthal will never be in the position to publish the book and/or make money off of it. Woot-woot!

I was thinking becuz of the huge outrage over the book in the first place,
say if the book doesn't sell at all....:shrug:

everyone that was involved in this project from the get go had their hands slapped publicly (Fox, Regan)....

but I guess time will tell .....very soon.......:read:

[martin II]

are those two independent people:
Ac & a porn star? :read:

sassy
i think AC never made that statement.
It was the dumped porn star that claimed ac told her that after he asked her to leave. Mario made the claim, but WTH.
martin ii

[martin II]

I was thinking becuz of the huge outrage over the book in the first place,
say if the book doesn't sell at all....:shrug:

everyone that was involved in this project from the get go had their hands slapped publicly (Fox, Regan)....

but I guess time will tell .....very soon.......:read:

sassy
it is my opinion that we are not suppose to suggest that the book may not sell or that the Browns may be able to cause some not to bid on the book at auction. After all, it is our responsibility to ensure that fred gets paid.:lol:
martin II

[martin II]

Hi Martin
was the trip business or pleasure? :seeya:

sassy
i am not sure but most of his trips to New York were because of his work at NBC and other work related activities. I also remember that he may have played golf in Florida before comnming up east.
martin II

[martin II]

again, for the record ...I am not denying the abuse happened, but I do believe the abuse stopped after 89, when OJS image was exposed to the public (imo)

name calling: yes he called her names. and Nicole called OJS names. I have called my hubby names many times?
my hubby also prefers that I keep my hair long, he likes it that way- is that abusive?

I cant recall if I read the diary entries, could you please provide me with a source so that I can read them (thanks)

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends:

There was a very close relationship with OJS & the Brown's.
& yes he didn't want her with certain ppl, lets explore why that would be before we debate those issues?

He went to GG once & acted like a moron. what other time did he carry on like this?

Withholding money:

OJS support Nicole for 17 years & was supporting her at the time of her death. Yes OJ gave sent Nicole the IRS letter Notice/ warning.
if OJS really wanted to really Burn Nicole he could have went to the IRS directly, but he didn't & that speaks volumes to me.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job

you can find that in Raging Heart & Faye Resnicks book.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both, yes we do. all recorded prior to 89

Sexual assault
I dont recall reading your answer, could you provide me with your source so I can read it (thanks)

Stalking..
when are the time frames of OJS stalking Nicole, the time frames dont seem to add up? they broke up for 3 wks & we know he was in & out of town during that time frame, so I find it hard to debate this?

intimidation...
we agree, but I think we see it differently.

side note:
my comments are to understand this aspect of the case & I mean no
disrespect to anyone that has suffered any type of abuse.


Sassy HI
i do agree with your statement about OJ and the IRS letter.

If he wanted to really as you say BURN her, the letter would have gone to the IRS office directly. He had his lawyer send it so that she would know he was serious and that he was no longer willing to be involved in her personal stuff.He did not want to cause her serious problems and just wanted her to move on without him.

MARTIN ii

[martin II]

sassy
i am not sure but most of his trips to New York were because of his work at NBC and other work related activities. I also remember that he may have played golf in Florida before comnming up east.
martin II

SASSY

PS
Remember that most of OJ's golf playing was business related.
martin II

[martin II]

snip****


I think that any money collected towards the judgement should be automatically divided to pay both parties.

its only fair ((imo)) :)

sassy hi
I agree.

Fred did not invite the browns to join in the suite. He sued only for fred.

When H.C. offered both famalies the profits from the sale of the book, the browns went on tv and rejected the offer as to them it was blood money and they did not want any of the money or the book published. For some reason, Fred was not vocal in the media about rejecting the money from the sale of the book.

But when the book first came out fred denounced it was garbage and trash by a *#@#$%^&^* and stated that no one needed to hear this crap from a double murder.

So i am assumming that the book that may be auctioned is the same book
that HC was planning to sell.

Fred sold the idea to the public that for him it was not about the money and
some in the public baught into this idea and supported the banning of the book. Now he is advertising to the business community and the general public
loking for auction bidders. :rolleyes:
martin II

[sassylassy]

Sassy HI
i do agree with your statement about OJ and the IRS letter.

If he wanted to really as you say BURN her, the letter would have gone to the IRS office directly. He had his lawyer send it so that she would know he was serious and that he was no longer willing to be involved in her personal stuff.He did not want to cause her serious problems and just wanted her to move on without him.

MARTIN ii

ITA :beer:

[tazzybaby]

again, for the record ...I am not denying the abuse happened, but I do believe the abuse stopped after 89, when OJS image was exposed to the public (imo)

name calling: yes he called her names. and Nicole called OJS names. I have called my hubby names many times?
my hubby also prefers that I keep my hair long, he likes it that way- is that abusive?

I cant recall if I read the diary entries, could you please provide me with a source so that I can read them (thanks)

Keeping a partner from calling family or friends:

There was a very close relationship with OJS & the Brown's.
& yes he didn't want her with certain ppl, lets explore why that would be before we debate those issues?

He went to GG once & acted like a moron. what other time did he carry on like this?

Withholding money:

OJS support Nicole for 17 years & was supporting her at the time of her death. Yes OJ gave sent Nicole the IRS letter Notice/ warning.
if OJS really wanted to really Burn Nicole he could have went to the IRS directly, but he didn't & that speaks volumes to me.

Stopping or keeping from staying at a job

you can find that in Raging Heart & Faye Resnicks book.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
We know of both, yes we do. all recorded prior to 89

Sexual assault
I dont recall reading your answer, could you provide me with your source so I can read it (thanks)

Stalking..
when are the time frames of OJS stalking Nicole, the time frames dont seem to add up? they broke up for 3 wks & we know he was in & out of town during that time frame, so I find it hard to debate this?

intimidation...
we agree, but I think we see it differently.

side note:
my comments are to understand this aspect of the case & I mean no
disrespect to anyone that has suffered any type of abuse.


Hi Sassy,

Name Calling.....
Yes, it is common for people to call each other names. But, to deliberately call someone names even though they express to you that it deeply hurts them is different. That is demeaning them and treating them like they are beneath you. That means that they don't care how you feel.

Excerpts from Nicole Brown Simpson's diary
"I wanted to be a wonderful wife...but you made me feel so ugly. You beat the holy hell out of me. ... I hated you so much."

"I just don't see how our stories compare -- I was so bad because I wore sweats, left shoes around plus I didn't keep a perfect house or comb my hair the way you liked it -- or had dinner ready at the precise moment you walked through the door, or that I just plain got on your nerves sometimes."

"I just don't see how that compares to infidelity, wife beating, verbal abuse -- I just don't think everybody goes through this."

"You're a fat pig, you're disgusting, you're a slob ... I want you out of my f---ing house. I want you to have an abortion. ... I have a gun in my hand right now. ... get the f--- out of here."

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9510/10-17/index.html

It is easy to take one instance and make it seem like no big deal or "normal". She wrote of death threats 9 days before she was murdered. This is how we know that it DID NOT STOP after 89. Abuse is not only physical. And, I don't understand how you keep saying 89 when it was just months before her death that he busted in her house??? It did not stop and him forcing his way in is proof.

Keeping from family or friends....
We have been discussing why. :shrug: He hung out with the husband of the person that she "couldn't" hang out with. It was okay when they were together but then it wasn't okay when he decided it wasn't? It's called control.

Money...
He didn't go to the IRS first because he wanted something to hold over her head. That speaks volumes to me. That is called control. If you want to play hard ball then I'll give it to you. What would have spoken volumes to me in his defense was him calling her and telling her. Not trying to scare her or force her.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
It was documented by Nicole. You can find all of this information in the civil trial. Have you ever read the depositions? Her diary entries were entered into evidence. Nine days before she died OJ threatened her. He threatened her by throwing her in jail for the IRS thing. He threatened to

Please read the depositions in the Civil Trial (that is my source for what you have been asking). And, try to have an open mind. The abuse that Nicole endured does not confirm that he killed her. It only confirms that he abused her. Nicole even knew that people wouldn't believe her.

[tazzybaby]

I just cant compare todays actions to what happened 12 yrs ago ....

but I do agree (if these stories are true) that OJS behaviour & the company he keeps around his children is unaccepted.

Hi Sassy,

The comparison is that he is doing the same thing that he freaked out on her about. It matters because he did it after he freaked out on her about it. Why is it okay for him to do it but not her? He used that as an excuse to force her to do what he wanted. He didn't really care about that because he did it himself later.

:no:

[tazzybaby]

are those two independent people:
Ac & a porn star? :read:

The (soft) porn star and Rocky Bateman. But, the "porn star" isn't believed because she did porn. Okay. But, when you have another person saying the same thing then it tends to "back up" the porn star. Does it confirm it? No. Does it make her account more believable (porn star or not)? Yes.

[martin II]

The (soft) porn star and Rocky Bateman. But, the "porn star" isn't believed because she did porn. Okay. But, when you have another person saying the same thing then it tends to "back up" the porn star. Does it confirm it? No. Does it make her account more believable (porn star or not)? Yes.

tazzy
please show me ONE direct quote from Rocky Bateman where he said anything about he tossed a bag into a lake.
martin II

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

The comparison is that he is doing the same thing that he freaked out on her about. It matters because he did it after he freaked out on her about it. Why is it okay for him to do it but not her? He used that as an excuse to force her to do what he wanted. He didn't really care about that because he did it himself later.

:no:


you are comparing oranges to apples (IMO)

I personally cant see how you can compare the too, but hey be my guest.....:beer:

[sassylassy]

The (soft) porn star and Rocky Bateman. But, the "porn star" isn't believed because she did porn. Okay. But, when you have another person saying the same thing then it tends to "back up" the porn star. Does it confirm it? No. Does it make her account more believable (porn star or not)? Yes.

Porn is Porn (imo)....

but anyways I just asked if those were the 2 ppl you were talking about.....

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

Name Calling.....
Yes, it is common for people to call each other names. But, to deliberately call someone names even though they express to you that it deeply hurts them is different. That is demeaning them and treating them like they are beneath you. That means that they don't care how you feel.

Excerpts from Nicole Brown Simpson's diary
"I wanted to be a wonderful wife...but you made me feel so ugly. You beat the holy hell out of me. ... I hated you so much."

"I just don't see how our stories compare -- I was so bad because I wore sweats, left shoes around plus I didn't keep a perfect house or comb my hair the way you liked it -- or had dinner ready at the precise moment you walked through the door, or that I just plain got on your nerves sometimes."

"I just don't see how that compares to infidelity, wife beating, verbal abuse -- I just don't think everybody goes through this."

"You're a fat pig, you're disgusting, you're a slob ... I want you out of my f---ing house. I want you to have an abortion. ... I have a gun in my hand right now. ... get the f--- out of here."

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9510/10-17/index.html

It is easy to take one instance and make it seem like no big deal or "normal". She wrote of death threats 9 days before she was murdered. This is how we know that it DID NOT STOP after 89. Abuse is not only physical. And, I don't understand how you keep saying 89 when it was just months before her death that he busted in her house??? It did not stop and him forcing his way in is proof.

Keeping from family or friends....
We have been discussing why. :shrug: He hung out with the husband of the person that she "couldn't" hang out with. It was okay when they were together but then it wasn't okay when he decided it wasn't? It's called control.

Money...
He didn't go to the IRS first because he wanted something to hold over her head. That speaks volumes to me. That is called control. If you want to play hard ball then I'll give it to you. What would have spoken volumes to me in his defense was him calling her and telling her. Not trying to scare her or force her.

Actual or threatened physical harm.....
It was documented by Nicole. You can find all of this information in the civil trial. Have you ever read the depositions? Her diary entries were entered into evidence. Nine days before she died OJ threatened her. He threatened her by throwing her in jail for the IRS thing. He threatened to

Please read the depositions in the Civil Trial (that is my source for what you have been asking). And, try to have an open mind. The abuse that Nicole endured does not confirm that he killed her. It only confirms that he abused her. Nicole even knew that people wouldn't believe her.

I am confused, what you are quoting is a letter Nicole wrote to OJ...
when did that become Excerpt from her diary?....

There is another letter Nicole wrote OJS that is completely different from this one...I will try & find it!:read:

[martin II]

you are comparing oranges to apples (IMO)

I personally cant see how you can compare the too, but hey be my guest.....:beer:

sounds like oranges and okra to me. especially since no one has ever offered proof that KZ had ever been in oj's house with his pipe.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

you are comparing oranges to apples (IMO)

I personally cant see how you can compare the too, but hey be my guest.....:beer:

LOL!! So, when two people are doing the same thing it is apples and oranges? Okay, sassy.

:seeya:

[tazzybaby]

Porn is Porn (imo)....

but anyways I just asked if those were the 2 ppl you were talking about.....

True. Porn is porn. I can agree with that. However, there is a difference in the two.

But, I hope I answered your question.

:)

[tazzybaby]

I am confused, what you are quoting is a letter Nicole wrote to OJ...
when did that become Excerpt from her diary?....

There is another letter Nicole wrote OJS that is completely different from this one...I will try & find it!:read:

Here let me try this differently....

Nine days before she was slashed to death at her home, Nicole wrote in her diary that O.J. Simpson warned her: "You hang up on me last night, you're gonna pay for this, b----." She also wrote about Simpson's infidelity and the verbal abuse she suffered.

In the diary, she wrote that when she was two months pregnant with their son, Justin, O.J. Simpson called her a "fat pig." Jurors were told that Simpson called his pregnant wife a "fat pig," but were not told other things that Nicole Brown Simpson recorded in that diary entry, that Simpson demanded she have an abortion and aimed a gun at her.

It is a little confusing.

It's the same link though.

According to deposition transcript obtained on Friday and reported by The Associated Press, and confirmed by CNN on Saturday, Simpson was asked about entries that his ex-wife made in her diary.

On June 3, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson wrote in her diary that the ex-football star was angry and that she had hung up on him earlier.

In the following excerpt from the transcript, Simpson is questioned by Daniel Petrocelli, lawyer for the family of Ron Goldman, who was murdered along with Simpson's ex-wife.

PETROCELLI: "Did you say to her, when you came to see her on June 3 at 8:30 p.m. to pick up the kids, 'You hung up on me last night?' Did you say that to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're gonna pay for this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're holding money from the IRS?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're going to jail, you (expletives)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You think you can do any freaking thing' or something like that 'you want?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You've got it coming?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'I've already talked to my lawyers about this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "Did you say any of those things to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

But, check this one out....

In the criminal trial, prosecutors also tried to show that Simpson was obsessed with Nicole. But in deposition transcripts, Simpson denies being obsessed, but says, "I'm a controlling person, period."

"With Nicole?" Petrocelli asks.

"No."

He's controlling but not with Nicole??? Wth?

:shrug:

Here's the link for that one....

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9603/03/index.html

And, you don't have to find that other letter for me. I've read it many times. Here it is....

http://walraven.org/simpson/nbs-ojs.html

It is very common that abused women go back to their abusers and even believe that the abuse is their fault or that they caused it or that if they act better it won't happen. Typical abuse.

But, check this one out....

http://walraven.org/simpson/911-1993.html

You know how OJ says that the reason he went over to Nicoles and forced his way in and ranted and raved and scared the @hit out of Nicole was because of the kids?? Well, Nicole was begging for him to stop screaming and ranting and raving because of the kids. The only one who seemed to care about the kids then was Nicole. But, OJ's "excuse" for acting that way was because of the kids. Ironic.

:shrug:

[tazzybaby]

sounds like oranges and okra to me. especially since no one has ever offered proof that KZ had ever been in oj's house with his pipe.
martin II

Hi Martin,

Can you show me the proof that the people she was with were hookers?

:seeya:

[William Anthony]

Here let me try this differently....

Nine days before she was slashed to death at her home, Nicole wrote in her diary that O.J. Simpson warned her: "You hang up on me last night, you're gonna pay for this, b----." She also wrote about Simpson's infidelity and the verbal abuse she suffered.

In the diary, she wrote that when she was two months pregnant with their son, Justin, O.J. Simpson called her a "fat pig." Jurors were told that Simpson called his pregnant wife a "fat pig," but were not told other things that Nicole Brown Simpson recorded in that diary entry, that Simpson demanded she have an abortion and aimed a gun at her.

It is a little confusing.

It's the same link though.

According to deposition transcript obtained on Friday and reported by The Associated Press, and confirmed by CNN on Saturday, Simpson was asked about entries that his ex-wife made in her diary.

On June 3, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson wrote in her diary that the ex-football star was angry and that she had hung up on him earlier.

In the following excerpt from the transcript, Simpson is questioned by Daniel Petrocelli, lawyer for the family of Ron Goldman, who was murdered along with Simpson's ex-wife.

PETROCELLI: "Did you say to her, when you came to see her on June 3 at 8:30 p.m. to pick up the kids, 'You hung up on me last night?' Did you say that to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're gonna pay for this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're holding money from the IRS?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You're going to jail, you (expletives)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You think you can do any freaking thing' or something like that 'you want?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'You've got it coming?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "'I've already talked to my lawyers about this, (expletive)?'"

SIMPSON: "No."

PETROCELLI: "Did you say any of those things to her?"

SIMPSON: "No."

But, check this one out....

In the criminal trial, prosecutors also tried to show that Simpson was obsessed with Nicole. But in deposition transcripts, Simpson denies being obsessed, but says, "I'm a controlling person, period."

"With Nicole?" Petrocelli asks.

"No."

He's controlling but not with Nicole??? Wth?

:shrug:

Here's the link for that one....

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9603/03/index.html

And, you don't have to find that other letter for me. I've read it many times. Here it is....

http://walraven.org/simpson/nbs-ojs.html

It is very common that abused women go back to their abusers and even believe that the abuse is their fault or that they caused it or that if they act better it won't happen. Typical abuse.

But, check this one out....

http://walraven.org/simpson/911-1993.html

You know how OJ says that the reason he went over to Nicoles and forced his way in and ranted and raved and scared the @hit out of Nicole was because of the kids?? Well, Nicole was begging for him to stop screaming and ranting and raving because of the kids. The only one who seemed to care about the kids then was Nicole. But, OJ's "excuse" for acting that way was because of the kids. Ironic.

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Terrfic TBaby,

I have recently reviewed the tapes in which the 911 call was played and it was clear that he responded that she did not care about what she was doing to her male companion in the living room. What prompted her to show concern about the children was when the 911 operator asked what he had just said. You could make out clearly what he said she was doing. Then, she showed concern about the children, which prompted him to repeat that she was not concerned about the children when she engaged in the activity in the livingroom.

[fbgweezer]

Sassy HI
i do agree with your statement about OJ and the IRS letter.

If he wanted to really as you say BURN her, the letter would have gone to the IRS office directly. He had his lawyer send it so that she would know he was serious and that he was no longer willing to be involved in her personal stuff.He did not want to cause her serious problems and just wanted her to move on without him.

MARTIN ii

except that the professionals say abuse is about control and if orenthal had sent the letter to the IRS instead of using it to threaten Nicole, he would not have been in control.

[tazzybaby]

Terrfic TBaby,

I have recently reviewed the tapes in which the 911 call was played and it was clear that he responded that she did not care about what she was doing to her male companion in the living room. What prompted her to show concern about the children was when the 911 operator asked what he had just said. You could make out clearly what he said she was doing. Then, she showed concern about the children, which prompted him to repeat that she was not concerned about the children when she engaged in the activity in the livingroom.

Hi William!

I just reviewed them and your statement is untrue. She said that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. This is before OJ came back in and the operator asked what he had just said. You can make it out clearly.

Here is a link for everyone to hear it....

http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/simpson/

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[William Anthony]

Hi William!

I just reviewed them and your statement is untrue. She said that she doesn't want anything to happen because of the kids. This is before OJ came back in and the operator asked what he had just said. You can make it out clearly.

Here is a link for everyone to hear it....

http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/simpson/

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Terrific TBaby,

I was talking about on the video tapes I have of the trial, not the tapes of the 911 call. I can hear him saying those things when he was talking with Kato, before she mentioned the kids. I apologize for not making clear which tapes of which I spoke. Don't run off so quickly.

[tazzybaby]

Terrific TBaby,

I was talking about on the video tapes I have of the trial, not the tapes of the 911 call. I can hear him saying those things when he was talking with Kato, before she mentioned the kids. I apologize for not making clear which tapes of which I spoke. Don't run off so quickly.

No, he was outside. He couldn't be heard at all the first time that she mentions the kids. I am not sure why the video tapes of the trial would be better than the actuall 911 audio tape. Maybe they don't start in the right place. Listen for yourself. She makes mention of it before he comes where he can be heard. I know which part you are talking about. And, that comes after she is heard talking about being concerned about the kids.

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[martin II]

No, he was outside. He couldn't be heard at all the first time that she mentions the kids. I am not sure why the video tapes of the trial would be better than the actuall 911 audio tape. Maybe they don't start in the right place. Listen for yourself. She makes mention of it before he comes where he can be heard. I know which part you are talking about. And, that comes after she is heard talking about being concerned about the kids.

:cool:

tazzy hi
We all know that oj went to GG , kicked the door in and started yelling.
Nicole became upset and called 911. Kato was there and oj was yeling and talking to him also. OJ did not threaten to attack her and did not hit her.
He stayed until the cops came and they found no reason to lock him or nicole up.
So what does this have to do with whether he killed her or not.
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
We all know that oj went to GG , kicked the door in and started yelling.
Nicole became upset and called 911. Kato was there and oj was yeling and talking to him also. OJ did not threaten to attack her and did not hit her.
He stayed until the cops came and they found no reason to lock him or nicole up.
So what does this have to do with whether he killed her or not.
martin II

Well............

Did you get the whole conversation? It was about the kids. She was worried about the kids and he was not. But, his excuse for going there was because he was "worried" about the kids. He didn't seem worried about the kids to me. He shouldn't behave that way with the kids in the house. Especially since he was so worried with the way that Nicole behaved with the kids around.

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[William Anthony]

No, he was outside. He couldn't be heard at all the first time that she mentions the kids. I am not sure why the video tapes of the trial would be better than the actuall 911 audio tape. Maybe they don't start in the right place. Listen for yourself. She makes mention of it before he comes where he can be heard. I know which part you are talking about. And, that comes after she is heard talking about being concerned about the kids.

:cool:

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