Goldmans Sue

[sassylassy]

I think the case got all the attention because it involved a star, a very beautiful woman, and promised to spill lots of intimate details of a troubled marrige. In short: it had all the makings for both tabloids and other papers to keep their writers busy and their readers happy.

ITA- :beer:

[socaldiva]

Yes agreed she left OJS a message on June 12 but as soon as she heard about the murders she jetted right back to OJS....so it wasnt much of a "break up" (thats what I'm pointing out as a correction)

(:read: U do recall Paula being at Robert Kardashian's home prior to the chase dont you???)

I also read Paula left a 30 min message- I'm not making this up :shrug:

JMO IMO MOO

Yes, she came back to be by OJ's side when she was asked. That doesn't mean that they were back to being a romantic couple.

I wasn't implying that you were making anything up, I just doubt the veracity of her leaving a 30 minute message.

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer

i am sure they had both gone their seperate ways. Oj notified nicole of his intentions to go on with his life when his lawyer sent her the IRS letter.

He was busy with Paula and seemed to have had Greta in the back of his mind.

martin II

Yeah, I can see OJ having the hots for Greta and have her in the back of his mind!! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

I'm just pointing out that regardless if you have children or not you can still understand & relate to that person's pain-on a human level

imo jmo

Maybe you ought to fly your above sentence by your NG pal, Martin II! Every chance he gets, he can't post fast enough to bash Fred Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson!

I am sure that all of you take the road that WA did. You can ask him about it via a PM!

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

Maybe you ought to fly your above sentence by your NG pal, Martin II! Every chance he gets, he can't post fast enough to bash Fred Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson!

I am sure that all of you take the road that WA did. You can ask him about it via a PM!

JMO and MOO!!

I dont speak for ppl ...I only speak for myself!

I'm not really into "playing games" its not my style, so I'm passing on the PM

thanks anyhow!

[zeldaglutch]

Thanks for helping see things from your viewpoint. It's very helpful to gain insight. I remember the day that I saw OJ's face during the indictment hearing. I could tell that he could not stop the pictures and I hope that he is haunted forever by the brutality of his rage.

I know in my heart that Fred Goldman is being driven to deal with what happened that night. It was so vivid and I am sure that he can't stop the pictures.

I guess I had buried my gaping hole until I found this Web site and the thread about my brother. It feels like yesterday that my father called and that I have made no progress what-so-ever.

NN

I am so very sorry to hear about your sister and I am glad that she is not suffering anymore. I hope you and your family find peace and comfort in knowing that she is smiling on you now.

PS
Ironically, I went to see David Letterman many years ago and guess who was on the show? OJ Simpson, of course that was prior to Nicole and Ron's murder. Sometimes you cannot escape irony.

[sassylassy]

Yes, she came back to be by OJ's side when she was asked. That doesn't mean that they were back to being a romantic couple.

I wasn't implying that you were making anything up, I just doubt the veracity of her leaving a 30 minute message.

I think it was romantic & from what I recall in Paula's book they were back on?

anyhow thats what I read about "the message" I could be wrong, but I'm
usually always right, so on that note I will try to find that link:read:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
I'm usually always right, so on that note I will try to find that link:read:

:rolleyes:
Don't bother looking on my account, I don't really care & it has no bearing on who killed Ron & Nicole.:tongue:

[Suzee10]

imo it has nothing to do with having children or not-

if ppl think OJS didnt murder anyone, they would assume Fred Goldman is barking up the wrong tree :shrug:no?

IMO :)


It has everything to do with if you have children. No one can imagine the feelings of losing a child if they do not have one, and they cannot imagine the lengths a parent will go to for their children or to have justice for their child. In this case Fred had no justice, so if he can make simpson uncomfortable he is going to do it. He is letting simpson know that he will never be able to rest easy as long as Fred is around. Fred does not rest easy, his child was butchered, why should simpson? I know I would be doing the same thing and probably much worse.

[2L8 4A D8]

I dont speak for ppl ...I only speak for myself!

I'm not really into "playing games" its not my style, so I'm passing on the PM

thanks anyhow!

Everytime that you post you are "playing games!" Yeah, if you would "only speak for" yourself, but you don't. Maybe the next time Martin posts something so assinine and ridiculous, why don't you speak for yourself instead of always responding to Martin's posts with one of your ITA's or :beer:'s!

It's good that you're passing on the PM to WA! Good move!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

It has everything to do with if you have children. No one can imagine the feelings of losing a child if they do not have one, and they cannot imagine the lengths a parent will go to for their children or to have justice for their child. In this case Fred had no justice, so if he can make simpson uncomfortable he is going to do it. He is letting simpson know that he will never be able to rest easy as long as Fred is around. Fred does not rest easy, his child was butchered, why should simpson? I know I would be doing the same thing and probably much worse.

ITA Suzee! I am sure that once Fred has died, Kim, his daughter and Ron's Sister, will continue to be Fred's voice and advocate against OJ Simpson.

Now that Sharon Tate's Mother has died, Sharon's Sister is continuing to be her Mother's voice and advocate for Sharon and her unborn baby boy against Charles Manson and The Manson Family!

No Parent(s) will ever stop and only Parent(s) can understand the magnitude of losing a child. I don't care what other Posters have said!

JMO and MOO!!

[Kayleighjo]

I think it was romantic & from what I recall in Paula's book they were back on?

anyhow thats what I read about "the message" I could be wrong, but I'm
usually always right, so on that note I will try to find that link:read:

No, you're right that Paula claimed on Larry King live that she left him a 30 minute message on his machine on the morning of June 12th. She said she was stunned to hear OJ deny that he recieved the message and even more stunned to hear Johnny Cochran claim that the two were still a happy couple.

[koolchick]

Correction: Paula dumped OJS for what 24 hrs? then they were back together!

speaking of Paula, I read that her message to OJS was 30 mins long!

seems like a long time to be talking to a machine (if its true)....:tongue:


What did you think of Simpson lying about receiving that message? She even said that the message that he left her confirmed that he got the message.

[koolchick]

Here's some more stuff that Paula said:

The Other Woman: My Years with O. J. Simpson-A Story of Love,
Trust, and Betrayal by Paula Barbieri:

“He killed them didn’t he!!” I burst out to Tom. Now my conflict was an open
wound.

Then [O. J.] asked me a question, “What happened to the messages I left you last
night?”. “I erased them” I said. “Good”, he said, “I don’t need them to start picking
on that too...”

Had I done something to set off this terrible chain of events?

O.J.’s rage had scared me once or twice...I’d seen him go berserk in a hotel room...

I picked up the Bronco’s cell phone and started to dial a car service. O. J. grabbed
the phone and knocked it out of my hand, hurting me.

Watching “My Fair Lady” with O. J. was a multimedia experience. He knew most
of the dialogue by heart, and all of the songs, and he sang along with each one of
them.

What was my first impression? With his big head and long fingers and skinny body,
O. J. Simpson reminded me of ET, the extraterrestrial. I’m not saying he wasn’t
handsome; he would have been one of the more attractive aliens on a Star Wars
set....But mostly, I felt sorry for him. Beneath O. J.’s bravado, I sensed a person in
pain...As far as I was concerned, O. J. Simpson was just a lonely friend of Marcus
Allen..."

[martin II]

Here's some more stuff that Paula said:

The Other Woman: My Years with O. J. Simpson-A Story of Love,
Trust, and Betrayal by Paula Barbieri:

“He killed them didn’t he!!” I burst out to Tom. Now my conflict was an open
wound.

Then [O. J.] asked me a question, “What happened to the messages I left you last
night?”. “I erased them” I said. “Good”, he said, “I don’t need them to start picking
on that too...”

Had I done something to set off this terrible chain of events?

O.J.’s rage had scared me once or twice...I’d seen him go berserk in a hotel room...

I picked up the Bronco’s cell phone and started to dial a car service. O. J. grabbed
the phone and knocked it out of my hand, hurting me.

Watching “My Fair Lady” with O. J. was a multimedia experience. He knew most
of the dialogue by heart, and all of the songs, and he sang along with each one of
them.

What was my first impression? With his big head and long fingers and skinny body,
O. J. Simpson reminded me of ET, the extraterrestrial. I’m not saying he wasn’t
handsome; he would have been one of the more attractive aliens on a Star Wars
set....But mostly, I felt sorry for him. Beneath O. J.’s bravado, I sensed a person in
pain...As far as I was concerned, O. J. Simpson was just a lonely friend of Marcus
Allen..."


I am wondering if paula made these comments during her daily visits to oj in jail or after the trial and when she wrote her book.

martin II

[koolchick]

I am wondering if paula made these comments during her daily visits to oj in jail or after the trial and when she wrote her book.

martin II

I am still wondering why OJ lied about receiving her message.

[fbgweezer]

I am wondering if paula made these comments during her daily visits to oj in jail or after the trial and when she wrote her book.

martin II

the fact of the matter is, she made the statements. IIRC, it was Arnelle that called Paula and implored her to come to see orenthal. Do I remember correctly?

[fbgweezer]

I am still wondering why OJ lied about receiving her message.

I believe there are two parts to this: 1. He wasn't going to admit any female dumped him (Nicole or Paula) and 2. If he could say that he'd moved on with his life with Paula, then that made him less of a suspect.

[martin II]

It has everything to do with if you have children. No one can imagine the feelings of losing a child if they do not have one, and they cannot imagine the lengths a parent will go to for their children or to have justice for their child. In this case Fred had no justice, so if he can make simpson uncomfortable he is going to do it. He is letting simpson know that he will never be able to rest easy as long as Fred is around. Fred does not rest easy, his child was butchered, why should simpson? I know I would be doing the same thing and probably much worse.

suzee

Maby fred should try to get control of the anger instead of being driven by it.

hopefully fred will find other more positive activities to occupy his mind other than the negative feelings he currently experiences from forcing himself to set aside space in his brain for oj. Not healthy at all.imo

martin II

[martin II]

the fact of the matter is, she made the statements. IIRC, it was Arnelle that called Paula and implored her to come to see orenthal. Do I remember correctly?

wezer
i don't know if arnell called paula or not. i have not read her comments on this. but i don't think Paula visited oj daily for the time he was in jail because arnell askef her visit him.Oj was in jail for almost a year. with nicols out of the picture, maby Paula saw a opening.
martin II

[martin II]

I believe there are two parts to this: 1. He wasn't going to admit any female dumped him (Nicole or Paula) and 2. If he could say that he'd moved on with his life with Paula, then that made him less of a suspect.

oj and Paula were a item long before nicoles murder. As a matter fact when
Nicole wanted to get back with Oj told Cora that he was seeing Paula.

Was paula also doing some interior decorating at oj house. She was on his arm on satrurday 6/11 at the celebrity chairity affair in LA.

Oj did not tak her to the recital and she pitched one of her regular anger fit.
for a day.

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

suzee

Maby fred should try to get control of the anger instead of being driven by it.

hopefully fred will find other more positive activities to occupy his mind other than the negative feelings he currently experiences from forcing himself to set aside space in his brain for oj. Not healthy at all.imo

martin II

I think that continuing to hold the killer of your son responsible for his death is a positive thing ... OJ shouldn't get a moment of peace after all of the lives he's destroyed.

It must really get OJ ... he finally met someone that he can't control.

[n.n]

Seems to me that Paula was after stars in general -- moving into a suite with Michael Bolton while she had a quarrel with Mr. Simpson. To be honest, she does appear a little cheap: like a groupie/gold digger?
Did she tell whether Mr. Simpson hurt her when he went "berserk" in that hotel room?

[koolchick]

suzee

Maby fred should try to get control of the anger instead of being driven by it.

hopefully fred will find other more positive activities to occupy his mind other than the negative feelings he currently experiences from forcing himself to set aside space in his brain for oj. Not healthy at all.imo

martin II

Maybe if Simpson would have controlled his anger then Fred wouldn't have to worry about that.

:flamemad:

[fbgweezer]

wezer
i don't know if arnell called paula or not. i have not read her comments on this. but i don't think Paula visited oj daily for the time he was in jail because arnell askef her visit him.Oj was in jail for almost a year. with nicols out of the picture, maby Paula saw a opening.
martin II

yep, I was right. Arnelle called Paula and begged her to visit her dad because he was so. . . . .

Arnelle sure was into this crime up to her eyeballs wasn't she? She must have really hated Nicole.

you should read Paula's book before you begin to speak on her behalf or interpret her thoughts.

[fbgweezer]

suzee

Maby fred should try to get control of the anger instead of being driven by it.

hopefully fred will find other more positive activities to occupy his mind other than the negative feelings he currently experiences from forcing himself to set aside space in his brain for oj. Not healthy at all.imo

martin II

I watched courttv last night about a cold case (15 - 20 years) where a young girl was kidnapped and murdered. The death of her daughter drove the mother to suicide five years later, and although the father was still alive years and years later, he spoke of the murderer as being an 'animal' and a 'b@stard' --

Maybe we could ask parents of murdered children what they think about the NG's suggestions that the Goldmans forget about it and move on so orenthal can have his life back.

[martin II]

yep, I was right. Arnelle called Paula and begged her to visit her dad because he was so. . . . .

Arnelle sure was into this crime up to her eyeballs wasn't she? She must have really hated Nicole.

you should read Paula's book before you begin to speak on her behalf or interpret her thoughts.

all i know is when oj was arrested paula was at the jail the next day or a day or two after and she stayed for some time.

The next thing i know is paula being there or not being there had nothing to do with whether oj killed nicole and her new boyfriend.

Some time ago you expressed your opinion of Arnell so i do understand how you feel about this young black woman.

martinII

[martin II]

I watched courttv last night about a cold case (15 - 20 years) where a young girl was kidnapped and murdered. The death of her daughter drove the mother to suicide five years later, and although the father was still alive years and years later, he spoke of the murderer as being an 'animal' and a 'b@stard' --

Maybe we could ask parents of murdered children what they think about the NG's suggestions that the Goldmans forget about it and move on so orenthal can have his life back.

weezer

It is not about oj getting his life back. It is about someone helping fred to heal.

If you would like to promote vindictiveness, hate and anger in the famalies of victims, then by all means have a go at it.

martin II

[martin II]

Maybe if Simpson would have controlled his anger then Fred wouldn't have to worry about that.

:flamemad:

kc
No one is responsible for the place fred seems to be in now 12 years after his son was killed. fred is responsible for where he is.
martin II

[socaldiva]

kc
No one is responsible for the place fred seems to be in now 12 years after his son was killed. fred is responsible for where he is.
martin II

Gee, I'd say the person (OJ) that murdered his Son is responsible for Fred's grief! Too bad you can't grasp the concept that this is no time limit on grieving for a loved one & wanting justice.

[koolchick]

kc
No one is responsible for the place fred seems to be in now 12 years after his son was killed. fred is responsible for where he is.
martin II

Okay, then why do you keep trying to blame Nicole for OJ's actions? You validate his behavior because she was "living dangerously".

[martin II]

Okay, then why do you keep trying to blame Nicole for OJ's actions? You validate his behavior because she was "living dangerously".

kc

I have not validated anything oj may have done.

I don't believe he klilled anyone for any reason.

I understand why oj may have decided to let Nicole go considering the lifestyles her two friends attributed to her.

I have posted testimony about nicoles behavior given by her friends that some prefer not be posted.

martin II

[n.n]

Okay, then why do you keep trying to blame Nicole for OJ's actions? You validate his behavior because she was "living dangerously".

The issue is not to make Mrs. Simpson look bad, disgrace or blame her. The issue is that because of her involvement with such people, police should have taken off their blinders. They should have put more emphasis on finding the murderer in the shady world of drugs and -- even prostitution. (I've just read that there was talk about some ties to Heidi Fleiss.) I don't know whether that is true; I just think that LE really jumped to conclusions because it all looked so obvious. I mean, how much easier can it get? Mentioning her involvement in the drug scene also does not necessarily mean accusing her of being an addict. As heartless it may sound, some people may be considered "collateral damage" in those circles.
I am afraid you are reading bad intentions into statements when they are not there. (My very own opinion)
Obviously there is a group of posters here who happens to believe that Mr. Simpson is innocent. Each has his/her reasons to believe so, and they state these reasons. That's all. They cannot "validate, condone, or embrace" a deed they believe the man has NOT committed. Only someone who believes he committed the crimes could do that (for whatever reasons.)
The only thing that the statement you're referring to says is that the man is innoceent, and here's why I think so.

[koolchick]

kc

I have not validated anything oj may have done.

I don't believe he klilled anyone for any reason.

I understand why oj may have decided to let Nicole go considering the lifestyles her two friends attributed to her.

I have posted testimony about nicoles behavior given by her friends that some prefer not be posted.

martin II

OJ let Nicole go? It was Nicole that let OJ go. I don't think anyone prefers that things not be posted. I believe that you are distorting the truth.

[koolchick]

The issue is not to make Mrs. Simpson look bad, disgrace or blame her. The issue is that because of her involvement with such people, police should have taken off their blinders. They should have put more emphasis on finding the murderer in the shady world of drugs and -- even prostitution. (I've just read that there was talk about some ties to Heidi Fleiss.) I don't know whether that is true; I just think that LE really jumped to conclusions because it all looked so obvious. I mean, how much easier can it get? Mentioning her involvement in the drug scene also does not necessarily mean accusing her of being an addict. As heartless it may sound, some people may be considered "collateral damage" in those circles.
I am afraid you are reading bad intentions into statements when they are not there. (My very own opinion)
Obviously there is a group of posters here who happens to believe that Mr. Simpson is innocent. Each has his/her reasons to believe so, and they state these reasons. That's all. They cannot "validate, condone, or embrace" a deed they believe the man has NOT committed. Only someone who believes he committed the crimes could do that (for whatever reasons.)
The only thing that the statement you're referring to says is that the man is innoceent, and here's why I think so.

Police didn't have on blinders. All of the evidence pointed to Simpson. They saw it clearly. What makes you believe that the police should have focused more on the "shady world of drugs and prostitution"? What evidence is there that anyone other than Simpson committed these murders? Every lead led them to Simpson.

I'm not trying to read bad intentions when they aren't there. I respect all's opinions. But, if you are going to throw your beliefs out there then I can let you know why IMO they are wrong. And, your statement actually goes both ways.

Only someone who believes he committed the crimes could do that (for whatever reasons.)

Or vice/versa. Only someone who believes he didn't would actually believe OJ. He is a proven liar. So, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

:cool:

[fbgweezer]

weezer

It is not about oj getting his life back. It is about someone helping fred to heal.

If you would like to promote vindictiveness, hate and anger in the famalies of victims, then by all means have a go at it.

martin II

you are foolish man to think that a loving parent would walk away and let the butcher of his child live happily everafter.

[martin II]

Police didn't have on blinders. All of the evidence pointed to Simpson. They saw it clearly. What makes you believe that the police should have focused more on the "shady world of drugs and prostitution"? What evidence is there that anyone other than Simpson committed these murders? Every lead led them to Simpson.

I'm not trying to read bad intentions when they aren't there. I respect all's opinions. But, if you are going to throw your beliefs out there then I can let you know why IMO they are wrong. And, your statement actually goes both ways.

Only someone who believes he committed the crimes could do that (for whatever reasons.)

Or vice/versa. Only someone who believes he didn't would actually believe OJ. He is a proven liar. So, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

:cool:

kc

Some people believe all of the prosecutions 'EVIDENCE'/"witnesses" some don't. I think that the defense was successful in showing the jury , and others,that the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt which was required by law to find OJ guilty.

martin II

[martin II]

you are foolish man to think that a loving parent would walk away and let the butcher of his child live happily everafter.

weezer
I am not a foolish man by any means. So cut the name calling.
martin II

[socaldiva]

kc

Some people believe all of the prosecutions 'EVIDENCE'/"witnesses" some don't. I think that the defense was successful in showing the jury , and others,that the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt which was required by law to find OJ guilty.

martin II

I'd say "some people" are VERY small in numbers. The vast majority understand OJ was a double murderer & got set free because the jurors were just idiots with a misguided agenda.

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer

It is not about oj getting his life back. It is about someone helping fred to heal.

If you would like to promote vindictiveness, hate and anger in the famalies of victims, then by all means have a go at it.

martin II

Why don't you knock off your Holier Than Thou attitude? You might be fooling some posters, but you are NOT fooling me! You don't give a rat'z azz about "helping Fred to heal!" That's all you do on this Board and these Threads is "promote vindictiveness, hate and anger! You are the last one that should tell someone what to do and how to feel!

You are the first one at the trough bashing the h311 out of Fred and Ron. You are also the first one at the trough saying such nasty, despicable, ugly and disgusting things about Nicole and certain Posters on this Board and these Threads!

Give us all a freaking break *****! :punch:

JMO and MOO!!

[n.n]

Police didn't have on blinders. All of the evidence pointed to Simpson. They saw it clearly. What makes you believe that the police should have focused more on the "shady world of drugs and prostitution"? What evidence is there that anyone other than Simpson committed these murders? Every lead led them to Simpson.

I'm not trying to read bad intentions when they aren't there. I respect all's opinions. But, if you are going to throw your beliefs out there then I can let you know why IMO they are wrong. And, your statement actually goes both ways.

Only someone who believes he committed the crimes could do that (for whatever reasons.)

Or vice/versa. Only someone who believes he didn't would actually believe OJ. He is a proven liar. So, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

:cool:

We sure disagree.
I just don't see why Martin's post suggests his supporting a killer.

[n.n]

"Only someone who believes he committed the crimes could do that (for whatever reasons.)"

That's exactly my point ... So how could Martin believe it and use it to prove his point? His statement was interpreted from a prejudiced point of view, in my opinion -- not an analytical one.

[sassylassy]

What did you think of Simpson lying about receiving that message? She even said that the message that he left her confirmed that he got the message.

from my understanding OJS called into his voice mailbox for 3 mins

if thats true then he didnt listen to the whole 30 min long message left by Paula :shrug:......

[sassylassy]

No, you're right that Paula claimed on Larry King live that she left him a 30 minute message on his machine on the morning of June 12th. She said she was stunned to hear OJ deny that he recieved the message and even more stunned to hear Johnny Cochran claim that the two were still a happy couple.

Thank you.

[sassylassy]

Everytime that you post you are "playing games!" Yeah, if you would "only speak for" yourself, but you don't. Maybe the next time Martin posts something so assinine and ridiculous, why don't you speak for yourself instead of always responding to Martin's posts with one of your ITA's or

It's good that you're passing on the PM to WA! Good move!

JMO and MOO!!


if I say "ITA: with someone its because I do :confused: if I dont reply its because I dont ....

I dont dictate what posters should say or feel, like I said I speak only for myself...

and ...I said I was passing on the PM as in No thanks...:no:

[martin II]

from my understanding OJS called into his voice mailbox for 3 mins

if thats true then he didnt listen to the whole 30 min long message left by Paula :shrug:......

sound like oj only heard the warm up part.

martin II

[martin II]

you are foolish man to think that a loving parent would walk away and let the butcher of his child live happily everafter.

weezer
stop calling me names

some that suggest a course of action for fred that involves vindictiveness , hate and anger do so not out of a concern for fred but more out a personal sartisfaciton they get from seeing anyone attack OJ Simpson.IMO

MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

weezer
stop calling me names

some that suggest a course of action for fred that involves vindictiveness , hate and anger do so not out of a concern for fred but more out a personal sartisfaciton they get from seeing anyone attack OJ Simpson.IMO

MARTIN ii

:confused: I wasn't calling you names.

[martin II]

:confused: I wasn't calling you names.

Originally Posted by fbgweezer
you are foolish man to think that a loving parent would walk away and let the butcher of his child live happily everafter.

I consider this name calling. so stop.

martin II

[fbgweezer]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer
you are foolish man to think that a loving parent would walk away and let the butcher of his child live happily everafter.

I consider this name calling. so stop.

martin II

Again, I wasn't calling you names. Get over it.

[martin II]

OJ let Nicole go? It was Nicole that let OJ go. I don't think anyone prefers that things not be posted. I believe that you are distorting the truth.

kc

faye resnicks deposition on nicole reconciliation request to oj.
------------------


Q. Did she then initiate a reconciliation with Mr. Simpson, to your knowledge?

A. Yes, she did.

Q. And did that occur roughly in April of 1993?

A. Yes, it did.

Q. Did she tell you what Mr. Simpson's response or reaction to her asking him to reconcile was?

A. Yes, she did.

Q. What did she say?

A. She said that initially he had said that he was happy with Paula.

Q. And who is Paula, for the record?

A. Paula Barbieri, a woman that he was dating at the time, and that she called me and said that it was not - that he was not responsive, but she felt good for trying to put her family back together.


martin II

[martin II]

He raged over her smoking? smoking is a filthy dirty habit and second hand smoke can kill!

I disagree that OJS would charm Nicole back with a lighter- compared to the other lavish gifts OJS bought Nicole!

I think winning her back w/ a lighter would be insulting--- but anyhow that's MOO :)

sassy

here is Faye talking about cigarette lighter some say oj gave nicole.haha

Q. Did he encourage Nicole to smoke?

A. No. He put up a sign -

Q. Excuse me?

A. He put up a sign in the bathroom telling her that she couldn't, no smoking.

Q . Do you know if O.J. Simpson ever gave Nicole a gold cigarette lighter?

A. I have never heard of him giving her a gold cigarette lighter.

Q. Do you know whether O.J. Simpson bought a gold cigarette lighter and had his children, Sydney and Justin, give it to Nicole as a birthday present in May of 1994?

MR. LEONARD: Objection.

A. Absolutely not. Why would he do that? He hated her smoking. He would never do such a thing.

Q. Did you ever hear O.J. Simpson say, complain to Nicole about smoking, in your presence?

A. Yes. Many times.

Q. And what did O.J. Simpson say on those occasions, to Nicole?

A. He said that it was bad for her health and he didn't like the smell. He didn't think it was good for her image publicly. He felt - he said that he was an athlete and he didn't want her, his wife or future wife, to be ruining his image.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*


faye resnicks deposition on nicole reconciliation request to oj.
------------------


Q. Did she then initiate a reconciliation with Mr. Simpson, to your knowledge?

A. Yes, she did.

Q. And did that occur roughly in April of 1993?

A. Yes, it did.



Why are you posting about April of 1993? Nicole left OJ AFTER that.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer
you are foolish man to think that a loving parent would walk away and let the butcher of his child live happily everafter.

I consider this name calling. so stop.

martin II

Too bad. So sad ~ That the truth continues to hurt you! Get over it! Crybaby!

Weezer wasn't calling you names. What you called me WAS CALLING SOMEONE NAMES!!!! :punch:

Shall I remind everyone just what you called me?

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

sound like oj only heard the warm up part.

martin II

thats what I was thinking....he only heard 3 mins & hung up! :shrug:

[sassylassy]

What you called me WAS CALLING SOMEONE NAMES!!!! :punch:

Shall I remind everyone just what you called me?

JMO and MOO!!

Do we really need to go down that road again :shrug:

[2L8 4A D8]

Do we really need to go down that road again :shrug:

I guess you agree, poor thing! Maybe you should tell your ***** NG pal to quit all of his whining and crying like a little baby! Last I knew, he was supposed to be an old man! :shrug:

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

I guess you agree, poor thing! Maybe you should tell your ***** NG pal to quit all of his whining and crying like a little baby! Last I knew, he was supposed to be an old man! :shrug:

JMO and MOO!!

I'm not going to tell Martin anything! WTH am I Martin's keeper????
ummm NO!

your the one still whining & crying like a little baby over what he called you
so why dont you get over it...Let it Go!!


Have some respect for the other posters on this board that dont want to read this endless crap!:mad:

[Suzee10]

suzee

Maby fred should try to get control of the anger instead of being driven by it.

hopefully fred will find other more positive activities to occupy his mind other than the negative feelings he currently experiences from forcing himself to set aside space in his brain for oj. Not healthy at all.imo

martin II


As I said it takes someone who has children to know how Fred feels. It is way more than anger. It is a hurt than is so deep Fred has to do something, so doing something in a lawful and positive manner is better than ripping simpson's head off, which I am sure he has to fight to keep from doing. It is better Fred is going by the law unlike simpson. Murder is against the law!

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

Have some respect for the other posters on this board that dont want to read this endless crap!:mad:

Don't ever tell me what to do or what not to do, Mister Sharing The Love! Isn't that what you said? Yeah, I think it was! LOL! Don't like it? Put me on Ignore then and if you don't want to do that, then don't read my posts! It's not rocket science, it's very simple, duh!

Yes, by means have some respect for the other posters on this board that don't want to read your and your pals' endless cr@p! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

As I said it takes someone who has children to know how Fred feels. It is way more than anger. It is a hurt than is so deep Fred has to do something, so doing something in a lawful and positive manner is better than ripping simpson's head off, which I am sure he has to fight to keep from doing. It is better Fred is going by the law unlike simpson. Murder is against the law!

suzee

My point is that a good therapist can and do assist people in working through these kind of problems as it is generally accepted by mental health experts that living with this kind of hate/ hurt in not healthy especially since
it will not change what has happened. imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

thats what I was thinking....he only heard 3 mins & hung up! :shrug:


Yeah, he probably hung up after he heard that she was dumping his sorry azz. :tongue:

[martin II]

As I said it takes someone who has children to know how Fred feels. It is way more than anger. It is a hurt than is so deep Fred has to do something, so doing something in a lawful and positive manner is better than ripping simpson's head off, which I am sure he has to fight to keep from doing. It is better Fred is going by the law unlike simpson. Murder is against the law!

Suzee

There are people with 10 children that do not know how fred feels. Only fred knows how he feels.

martin II

[martin II]

thats what I was thinking....he only heard 3 mins & hung up! :shrug:

sassy hi

It took her 30 minutes to DUMP oj by phone.. maby she was not sure as to what she wanted to do/say.

Maby Paula talked in general for a while and on the 29 1/2 minute she told him ' I AM GOING TO LOS VEGAS TODAY, Love Paula.
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

sassy

here is Faye talking about cigarette lighter some say oj gave nicole.haha

Q. Did he encourage Nicole to smoke?

A. No. He put up a sign -

Q. Excuse me?

A. He put up a sign in the bathroom telling her that she couldn't, no smoking.

Q . Do you know if O.J. Simpson ever gave Nicole a gold cigarette lighter?

A. I have never heard of him giving her a gold cigarette lighter.

Q. Do you know whether O.J. Simpson bought a gold cigarette lighter and had his children, Sydney and Justin, give it to Nicole as a birthday present in May of 1994?

MR. LEONARD: Objection.

A. Absolutely not. Why would he do that? He hated her smoking. He would never do such a thing.

Q. Did you ever hear O.J. Simpson say, complain to Nicole about smoking, in your presence?

A. Yes. Many times.

Q. And what did O.J. Simpson say on those occasions, to Nicole?

A. He said that it was bad for her health and he didn't like the smell. He didn't think it was good for her image publicly. He felt - he said that he was an athlete and he didn't want her, his wife or future wife, to be ruining his image.

martin II

here is orenthal talking about the lighter he gave Nicole in May just before he murdered her in June:
"Q: Okay. And where did you buy this cigarette lighter you gave Nicole
for her birthday?
A: Cartier.
Q: Okay. And she kept that?
A: Yes.
Q: Okay. You didn't generally like Nicole smoking, did you?
A: No.
Q: In fact you had a no smoking sign in your bathroom at Rockingham?
A: No.
Q: Her bathroom?
A: No. "
http://www.cch.kcl.ac.uk/legacy/teaching/av1000/textanalysis/oj/ojsimpson2.txt

[socaldiva]

sassy hi

It took her 30 minutes to DUMP oj by phone.. maby she was not sure as to what she wanted to do/say.

Maby Paula talked in general for a while and on the 29 1/2 minute she told him ' I AM GOING TO LOS VEGAS TODAY, Love Paula.
MARTIN ii

Maby it took her 30 minutes to tell him what a loser he was. The list was pretty long :tongue:

[fbgweezer]

Maby it took her 30 minutes to tell him what a loser he was. The list was pretty long :tongue:

LOL -- IIRC, orenthal called his message number more than once -- maybe he could only take "You're a loser" in small doses? :eek:

[socaldiva]

LOL -- IIRC, orenthal called his message number more than once -- maybe he could only take "You're a loser" in small doses? :eek:

Could be. Isn't it fun to play the assume game? :D

[bobaugust]

Triumph of Justice,
"Was this murder the result of a long standing plan, or one formulated on the night it was committed?

The critical variable, was "estrangement."

When Nicole didn't invite Simpson to sit with her at Sydney's dance recital, when she declined to invite him to join them at Mezzaluna, she made a public declaration of her independence and embarrassed him in front of friends and family.

A rebuff equals incitement to murder?" Don (Dutton) made a cogent argument for how O.J. Simpson would have overreacted to rejection. His overweening ego and controlling behavior masked a fundamentally flawed, insecure, and extremely immature personality. To such an unstable man, violence would seem a justifiable means of reestablishing control.

What I wondered silently, why would these snubs, this evening have proved so incendiary? Two years earlier, Nicole had divorced him, a development that he appeared to take with comparative equanimity. I suspected that there had to have been something else that incited him-and that it had to do with a string of calls made from the cell phone in his Bronco that night to Paula Barbieri. Paula, of course was continuing to elude us, so I didn't know for sure what had gone down. But my guess was that Simpson's frustration over his inability to reach her that night had spilled over in rage against Nicole. The first time Nicole dumped him, he had Paula to catch him. The second time, he went into free fall.

The (criminal) defense knew that Paula had called Simpson's cellular phone to break up with him the day Nicole died. She'd left a strong message on his voice mail, but the cops, not knowing this, never questioned Barbieri about the call.

Paula's message was long (8 minutes). She told him she was in Las Vegas and she was ending their relationship.

In his initial statement Simpson had repeatedly said that the recital ended about 6:30. He told how he and Browns said their good byes outside and then he left and went home.

The Browns left and went to the Mezzaluna Restaurant for dinner. They arrived about fifteen to twenty minutes late for their 6:30 reservations. Simpson drove directly home.

By the time of the civil trial, Simpson had his story ready based on all the evidence he knew about. Only he did not know about his telephone records. Simpson said that after he got home he said he checked his answering machine messages and then Kato Kaelin came over.

Simpson was confronted with his telephone records. A 6:56 P.M. a call was placed on Simpson's home phone to his message manager and messages left on his cell phone were call forwarded and listened to. Simpson denied that he made that call or received Paula's message.

Simpson's telephone records showed that another call was made on Simpson's home phone at 8:55 P.M. to his message manager and once again messages left on his cell phone were call forwarded and listened to. Simpson denied making that call.

Dr. Lenore Walker, domestic violence expert for the defense spent sixty plus hours interviewing Simpson in his jail cell. Dr. Walker took contemporaneous notes of her sessions with Simpson. When asked she turned them over to the plaintiffs attorneys. "Among other findings, Dr. Walker freely admitted Simpson was a spousal batterer and Nicole a battered spouse. Simpson had also told her that he had, indeed, picked up Paula's message and that he had called Paula on the night of June 12 from his car.

Dr. Walker's notes read:

"'Called Paula, not home, Call forward on car phone message from Paula, Whole long message about golf, Don't see you. He's not sure if in Arizona or Las Vegas, or if angry with him. He listens to message. Kato goes by house.'"

December 14, 1995 Paula Barbieri

Q. So you as you sit here today, do you have any knowledge that you informed Mr. Simpson that you were going, on June 12, 1994, to Las Vegas on that day?
A. No.

Q. So it's your belief that he had picked up your earlier message of 7 o'clock (A.M.). Correct?
A. I assume.
Q. That's your belief?
A. Yes, sir.

bobaugust

[fbgweezer]

Triumph of Justice,
"Was this murder the result of a long standing plan, or one formulated on the night it was committed?

The critical variable, was "estrangement."

When Nicole didn't invite Simpson to sit with her at Sydney's dance recital, when she declined to invite him to join them at Mezzaluna, she made a public declaration of her independence and embarrassed him in front of friends and family.

A rebuff equals incitement to murder?" Don (Dutton) made a cogent argument for how O.J. Simpson would have overreacted to rejection. His overweening ego and controlling behavior masked a fundamentally flawed, insecure, and extremely immature personality. To such an unstable man, violence would seem a justifiable means of reestablishing control.

What I wondered silently, why would these snubs, this evening have proved so incendiary? Two years earlier, Nicole had divorced him, a development that he appeared to take with comparative equanimity. I suspected that there had to have been something else that incited him-and that it had to do with a string of calls made from the cell phone in his Bronco that night to Paula Barbieri. Paula, of course was continuing to elude us, so I didn't know for sure what had gone down. But my guess was that Simpson's frustration over his inability to reach her that night had spilled over in rage against Nicole. The first time Nicole dumped him, he had Paula to catch him. The second time, he went into free fall.

The (criminal) defense knew that Paula had called Simpson's cellular phone to break up with him the day Nicole died. She'd left a strong message on his voice mail, but the cops, not knowing this, never questioned Barbieri about the call.

Paula's message was long (8 minutes). She told him she was in Las Vegas and she was ending their relationship.

In his initial statement Simpson had repeatedly said that the recital ended about 6:30. He told how he and Browns said their good byes outside and then he left and went home.

The Browns left and went to the Mezzaluna Restaurant for dinner. They arrived about fifteen to twenty minutes late for their 6:30 reservations. Simpson drove directly home.

By the time of the civil trial, Simpson had his story ready based on all the evidence he knew about. Only he did not know about his telephone records. Simpson said that after he got home he said he checked his answering machine messages and then Kato Kaelin came over.

Simpson was confronted with his telephone records. A 6:56 P.M. a call was placed on Simpson's home phone to his message manager and messages left on his cell phone were call forwarded and listened to. Simpson denied that he made that call or received Paula's message.

Simpson's telephone records showed that another call was made on Simpson's home phone at 8:55 P.M. to his message manager and once again messages left on his cell phone were call forwarded and listened to. Simpson denied making that call.

Dr. Lenore Walker, domestic violence expert for the defense spent sixty plus hours interviewing Simpson in his jail cell. Dr. Walker took contemporaneous notes of her sessions with Simpson. When asked she turned them over to the plaintiffs attorneys. "Among other findings, Dr. Walker freely admitted Simpson was a spousal batterer and Nicole a battered spouse. Simpson had also told her that he had, indeed, picked up Paula's message and that he had called Paula on the night of June 12 from his car.

Dr. Walker's notes read:

"'Called Paula, not home, Call forward on car phone message from Paula, Whole long message about golf, Don't see you. He's not sure if in Arizona or Las Vegas, or if angry with him. He listens to message. Kato goes by house.'"

December 14, 1995 Paula Barbieri

Q. So you as you sit here today, do you have any knowledge that you informed Mr. Simpson that you were going, on June 12, 1994, to Las Vegas on that day?
A. No.

Q. So it's your belief that he had picked up your earlier message of 7 o'clock (A.M.). Correct?
A. I assume.
Q. That's your belief?
A. Yes, sir.

bobaugust

thank you bob

[socaldiva]

I find the 8 minute message much more believable than a 30 minute message.

Also, how do the NG's explain Lenore Walker's findings, considering she was working for the DEFENSE?

Dr. Lenore Walker, domestic violence expert for the defense spent sixty plus hours interviewing Simpson in his jail cell. Dr. Walker took contemporaneous notes of her sessions with Simpson. When asked she turned them over to the plaintiffs attorneys. "Among other findings, Dr. Walker freely admitted Simpson was a spousal batterer and Nicole a battered spouse. Simpson had also told her that he had, indeed, picked up Paula's message and that he had called Paula on the night of June 12 from his car.

[sassylassy]

Don't ever tell me what to do or what not to do, Mister Sharing The Love! Isn't that what you said? Yeah, I think it was! LOL! Don't like it? Put me on Ignore then and if you don't want to do that, then don't read my posts! It's not rocket science, it's very simple, duh!

Yes, by means have some respect for the other posters on this board that don't want to read your and your pals' endless cr@p! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

Right back at ya girlfriend ;)

[sassylassy]

I find the 8 minute message much more believable than a 30 minute message.

Also, how do the NG's explain Lenore Walker's findings, considering she was working for the DEFENSE?

Dr. Lenore Walker, domestic violence expert for the defense spent sixty plus hours interviewing Simpson in his jail cell. Dr. Walker took contemporaneous notes of her sessions with Simpson. When asked she turned them over to the plaintiffs attorneys. "Among other findings, Dr. Walker freely admitted Simpson was a spousal batterer and Nicole a battered spouse. Simpson had also told her that he had, indeed, picked up Paula's message and that he had called Paula on the night of June 12 from his car.

Didnt Dr. Lenore Walker also say that OJS did not fit the pattern of an abuser?

[Suzee10]

suzee

My point is that a good therapist can and do assist people in working through these kind of problems as it is generally accepted by mental health experts that living with this kind of hate/ hurt in not healthy especially since
it will not change what has happened. imo
martin II


Fred Goldman is not the one that needs a therapist. He is acting in a normal manner, as any parent would. IMO a cold blooded killer with no care for anyone, including his children, would be the candiate for a therapist. He left his children's mom lying a pool of blood, stabbed numerous times with the possibility those children could wake up and come down and find their mom in that condition. He has no heart, soul or compassion for anyone but himself and what he wants. He truly needs mental help, not Fred. Fred lives in hell and simpson is responsible.

[2L8 4A D8]

Right back at ya girlfriend ;)

I am NOT your girlfriend ~ so don't call me such Mister Sharing The Love For About 1/2 Seconds! Thank you! It will be wonderful not to see you posting to me anymore! Many thanks! :tongue:

[martin II]

thank you bob

BOB

Well PAULA does not KNOW if oj picked up her message or not. Whether he picked up all , some or none of this message does not mean that he went into some rage and decided to go kill nicole. He did not seem to be in a rage
when he called Greta Stockdale and informed her that he was available for the first time in a while and suggested that they get togeather on monday upon his return from Chicago.Seems to me he was saying that his deck was clear now to see her.

Nicole did not cause Paula to leave a message to OJ. Why kill Nicole? It makes no sense?

martin II

[martin II]

Fred Goldman is not the one that needs a therapist. He is acting in a normal manner, as any parent would. IMO a cold blooded killer with no care for anyone, including his children, would be the candiate for a therapist. He left his children's mom lying a pool of blood, stabbed numerous times with the possibility those children could wake up and come down and find their mom in that condition. He has no heart, soul or compassion for anyone but himself and what he wants. He truly needs mental help, not Fred. Fred lives in hell and simpson is responsible.

Suzee
NO ONE is responsible for what Fred does but Fred.Everyone is responsible for their own actions or conduct. To claim that because Fred thinks OJ did someting it is ok for Fred to engage in self destructive behavior is in itself unhealthy thinking.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

Suzee
NO ONE is responsible for what Fred does but Fred.Everyone is responsible for their own actions or conduct. To claim that because Fred thinks OJ did someting it is ok for Fred to engage in self destructive behavior is in itself unhealthy thinking.imo
martin II

What "self destructive behavior"? I think you are thinking of Orenthal :rolleyes:

[bobaugust]

BOB

Well PAULA does not KNOW if oj picked up her message or not. Whether he picked up all , some or none of this message does not mean that he went into some rage and decided to go kill nicole. He did not seem to be in a rage
when he called Greta Stockdale and informed her that he was available for the first time in a while and suggested that they get togeather on monday upon his return from Chicago.Seems to me he was saying that his deck was clear now to see her.

Nicole did not cause Paula to leave a message to OJ. Why kill Nicole? It makes no sense?

martin II

martin II, Your comments are what doesn't make any sense. You argue the evidence that Simpson listened to Paula's message doesn't mean he listened to her message. The message that Simpson left for Gretchen Stockdale is evidence that he did hear Paula's message. Based on the message Simpson left for Paula, she believed he was responding to her message.

The fact is that Cochran hid this from the criminal trial jury, so evidently it made sense to him. The fact is that Simpson outright lied about this in the civil trial, so it evidently made sense to him.

bobaugust

[fbgweezer]

Didnt Dr. Lenore Walker also say that OJS did not fit the pattern of an abuser?

actually, her notes from meeting with orenthal said exactly the opposite. She wrote that he fit the profile of a batterer and Nicole fit the profile of a battered spouse.

[fbgweezer]

here is orenthal talking about the lighter he gave Nicole in May just before he murdered her in June:
"Q: Okay. And where did you buy this cigarette lighter you gave Nicole
for her birthday?
A: Cartier.
Q: Okay. And she kept that?
A: Yes.
Q: Okay. You didn't generally like Nicole smoking, did you?
A: No.
Q: In fact you had a no smoking sign in your bathroom at Rockingham?
A: No.
Q: Her bathroom?
A: No. "
http://www.cch.kcl.ac.uk/legacy/teaching/av1000/textanalysis/oj/ojsimpson2.txt

martin, you didn't respond to my post. :shrug:

[sassylassy]

I am NOT your girlfriend ~ so don't call me such Mister Sharing The Love For About 1/2 Seconds! Thank you! It will be wonderful not to see you posting to me anymore! Many thanks! :tongue:

I'm not going anywhere :tongue:
So you will have to deal with it!

:seeya: see ya on the boards!

[sassylassy]

actually, her notes from meeting with orenthal said exactly the opposite. She wrote that he fit the profile of a batterer and Nicole fit the profile of a battered spouse.

But did she not say that OJS didnt fit the profile & then later said he did?
:shrug:

[fbgweezer]

But did she not say that OJS didnt fit the profile & then later said he did?
:shrug:

after meeting with orenthal for approximately 60 hours, during which time she wrote that he did in fact fit the profile of a batterer, guess what? the dream team hired her as a consultant. Go figure.

Unfortunately for orenthal, Dr. Walker's contemporaneous notes were forced to be produced in time for the civil trial. And by the time orenthal gave his civil deposition, he says he NOW understands that the things he did to Nicole would be abuse but he didn't think of them that way back then.

[sassylassy]

after meeting with orenthal for approximately 60 hours, during which time she wrote that he did in fact fit the profile of a batterer, guess what? the dream team hired her as a consultant. Go figure.

Unfortunately for orenthal, Dr. Walker's contemporaneous notes were forced to be produced in time for the civil trial. And by the time orenthal gave his civil deposition, he says he NOW understands that the things he did to Nicole would be abuse but he didn't think of them that way back then.

I read this about Dr. Lenore Walker:

ON THE OTHER HAND: Dr. Lenore Walker is the psychologist who pioneered the "battered woman syndrome theory," and the defense had her interview and test Simpson. It was her opinion that although Simpson had battered Nicole at one time, he did not fit the pattern of a batterer who goes on to kill his victim. She believed that the only way that Simpson could have been the murderer is if he committed the crime in a fugue state, and since he did not have a history of such an aberration, that seemed virtually impossible. She did not testify because of tactical considerations by the defense (Larry Schiller,American Tragedy p. 391 - 393).

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/abuse.htm

[bobaugust]

I read this about Dr. Lenore Walker:

ON THE OTHER HAND: Dr. Lenore Walker is the psychologist who pioneered the "battered woman syndrome theory," and the defense had her interview and test Simpson. It was her opinion that although Simpson had battered Nicole at one time, he did not fit the pattern of a batterer who goes on to kill his victim. She believed that the only way that Simpson could have been the murderer is if he committed the crime in a fugue state, and since he did not have a history of such an aberration, that seemed virtually impossible. She did not testify because of tactical considerations by the defense (Larry Schiller,American Tragedy p. 391 - 393).

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/abuse.htm

sassylassy, the page number posted by Wagner is incorrect as well as what you posted was not a direct quote but Wagner's paraphrasing of what was written, Not impossible, but unlikely.

Page 499 Schiller wrote,
"It is possible, she continued, that he murdered in a disassociate or "fugue" state, a disturbed state that the sufferer cannot afterward recall. Indeed, Walker believed that this was the only possible way O.J. could be guilty. Someone who kills in a fugue state has no sense of being at the murder scene, no memory of the crime. But Walker considered this scenario unlikely: Simpson had no history of fugue states."


American Tragedy Dr. Bernard Yudowitz

"Fewer than 1 percent of murderers are psychologically classified as atypical. In these cases, circumstances trigger an out-of-character response in a normal person. The tragedy happens in a flash. Until the actual moment, the killer assumes himself incapable of murder. Ever. Then, for reasons the murderer himself never understands, he kills.

Once the vicim is dead, the situation is so horrifying to the killer, so inconsistent with his entire personality and history, that he refuses - unconsciously - to admit it occurred.

"The killer enters a deep state of denial. In reality he has done something antithetical to his personality and his values. This could not happen, says the unconscious. Ergo, it did not happen."

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

I'm not going anywhere :tongue:
So you will have to deal with it!

:seeya: see ya on the boards!

I didn't ask or tell you to go anywhere, duh! I just asked you to stop posting to me! Again, it's not rocket science, but you obviously don't get it! Maybe I just need to talk to you like we are in kindergarten before you can understand anything! :eek:

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

sassylassy, the page number posted by Wagner is incorrect as well as what you posted was not a direct quote but Wagner's paraphrasing of what was written, Not impossible, but unlikely.

Page 499 Schiller wrote,
"It is possible, she continued, that he murdered in a disassociate or "fugue" state, a disturbed state that the sufferer cannot afterward recall. Indeed, Walker believed that this was the only possible way O.J. could be guilty. Someone who kills in a fugue state has no sense of being at the murder scene, no memory of the crime. But Walker considered this scenario unlikely: Simpson had no history of fugue states."


American Tragedy Dr. Bernard Yudowitz

"Fewer than 1 percent of murderers are psychologically classified as atypical. In these cases, circumstances trigger an out-of-character response in a normal person. The tragedy happens in a flash. Until the actual moment, the killer assumes himself incapable of murder. Ever. Then, for reasons the murderer himself never understands, he kills.

Once the vicim is dead, the situation is so horrifying to the killer, so inconsistent with his entire personality and history, that he refuses - unconsciously - to admit it occurred.

"The killer enters a deep state of denial. In reality he has done something antithetical to his personality and his values. This could not happen, says the unconscious. Ergo, it did not happen."

bobaugust


bob
Dr yudowitz never interviewed OJ SIMPSON and therefore would know nothing in order to diagnose anything about him. So he is giving general information about a condition. nothing to do with oj simpson. imo

martinII

[fbgweezer]

bob
Dr yudowitz never interviewed OJ SIMPSON and therefore would know nothing in order to diagnose anything about him. So he is giving general information about a condition. nothing to do with oj simpson. imo

martinII

so you agree that Walker -- who did interview orenthal -- knew what she was writing when she said orenthal fit the profile of a batterer and Nicole fit the profile of a battered spouse?

[martin II]

so you agree that Walker -- who did interview orenthal -- knew what she was writing when she said orenthal fit the profile of a batterer and Nicole fit the profile of a battered spouse?

weezer
Again you are transposing what i said and posting "so you agree that walker"--- more attempts to twist what i said.
I did not say that.
I am sure walker knew WHAT she wrote. whether i agree is another issue.

I understand that you may beleive that every male batterer kills his mate but i don't believe that either.

martin II

[n.n]

bob
Dr yudowitz never interviewed OJ SIMPSON and therefore would know nothing in order to diagnose anything about him. So he is giving general information about a condition. nothing to do with oj simpson. imo

martinII

He's not even diagnosing Mr. Simpson; he simply lumps him together in a group with other murderers to whom his observations may apply. It is strange that bobaugust chose a statement in which a shrink ascribes healthy personalities and even personal values to killers -- characteristics that bobaugust and others here DO NOT associate with the coldblooded, premeditating killer they see in Mr. Simpson.

[martin II]

He's not even diagnosing Mr. Simpson; he simply lumps him together in a group with other murderers to whom his observations may apply. It is strange that bobaugust chose a statement in which a shrink ascribes healthy personalities and even personal values to killers -- characteristics that bobaugust and others here DO NOT associate with the coldblooded, premeditating killer they see in Mr. Simpson.

n.n.


very sharp observation on your part.
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer
Again you are transposing what i said and posting "so you agree that walker"--- more attempts to twist what i said.
I did not say that.
I am sure walker knew WHAT she wrote. whether i agree is another issue.

I understand that you may beleive that every male batterer kills his mate but i don't believe that either.

martin II

you serously need to do some research on domestic violence --

[martin II]

you serously need to do some research on domestic violence --

weezer

It may be that you have more knowledge/experience with domestic abuse than i do. My experience is limited to what i have read and personally assisting two different female friends in getting away from their batterer and into a womens battered shelter.
In neither of these cases did the batterer kill anyone.

I think that you speed too much time telling others what they should do and not enough time advising yourself.
imo
martin II

[bobaugust]

bob
Dr yudowitz never interviewed OJ SIMPSON and therefore would know nothing in order to diagnose anything about him. So he is giving general information about a condition. nothing to do with oj simpson. imo

martinII

martin II, Dr. Bernard Yudowitz was hired by the defense to evaluate Simpson. He interviewed Simpson on November 3 at the L.A. County jail.

bobaugust

[Kayleighjo]

Not all batterers go on to kill, but let's look at the stats this way:

National statistics reveal that every year three to four million women are beaten by their husbands or boyfriends, and every day, four women die as the result of battering.

Of all female homicide victims every year in this country, forty percent are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. That's a big statistic. Almost half.

It's not so much looking at how many batterers kill, but of the women that end up dead how many are the result of battering.

40% is a high number when you're talking about murder.

[martin II]

martin II, Dr. Bernard Yudowitz was hired by the defense to evaluate Simpson. He interviewed Simpson on November 3 at the L.A. County jail.

bobaugust

bob
thanks for the correction.

DID Dr Yudowitz, as a result of his interview of simpson put simpson into that catagory. Did he say that in his professional opinion that is what oj did?

martin II

[fbgweezer]

bob
thanks for the correction.

DID Dr Yudowitz, as a result of his interview of simpson put simpson into that catagory. Did he say that in his professional opinion that is what oj did?

martin II

why don't you tell us what Dr. Yudowitz wrote in his opinion as it concerned orenthal.

[martin II]

why don't you tell us what Dr. Yudowitz wrote in his opinion as it concerned orenthal.

weezer
i asked the questIon of BOB as i don't know what his analysis of oj stated. if he analyzed oj.

if you know you can feel free to share it.imo
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

why don't you tell us what Dr. Yudowitz wrote in his opinion as it concerned orenthal.

I agree Weezer. Just another baiting question by Martin to try and get the answers from someone else. Then when the poor Poster falls for it and answers his baiting question, Martin then turns it around with the infamous NG "yeah, but!" It's never "Thank you for the info and I stand corrected!" It's always yeah, but and yeah, but and more yeah, buts ~ ad nauseum! :mad:

JMO and MOO!!

[Suzee10]

Suzee
NO ONE is responsible for what Fred does but Fred.Everyone is responsible for their own actions or conduct. To claim that because Fred thinks OJ did someting it is ok for Fred to engage in self destructive behavior is in itself unhealthy thinking.imo
martin II

Fred, like thousands, understood the evidence and with common sense knew simpson was guilty of murdering his child. He is not engaging in self destructive behavior, he is doing the same as any parent would do, seek justice in what ever manner they could for their child.

[socaldiva]

weezer
i asked the questIon of BOB as i don't know what his analysis of oj stated. if he analyzed oj.

if you know you can feel free to share it.imo
martin II

Instead of asking Bob & FBG to do your research for you, why don't you :read: ??

[martin II]

why don't you tell us what Dr. Yudowitz wrote in his opinion as it concerned orenthal.

WEEZER

I have looked for Dr YUDOWITZ'S report on his interview of OJ simpson but have not found it in trial testimony or doc. received by the court.
If you find it anyplace please share.
martin II

[sassylassy]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed already :shrug:
but this has to be a bad joke that got out of hand?
or maybe not even true :shrug:


There's another man hinting that he could be the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby daughter - OJ Simpson.

The former NFL star allegedly told documentary filmmaker Norm Pardo - who filmed 70 hours of footage with him from 2000 to 2005 - that he was "throwing his hat into the ring" regarding the paternity battle.

According to Pardo, Simpson said "he knew Anna Nicole pretty well, and he said he had slow-moving genes* and he might be the father."

Simpson appeared in the 1994 film "The Naked Gun 33 1/3" with Smith.

Pardo says Simpson also joked that he didn't want to be officially named as Dannielynn's dad because that would prompt Fred Goldman - father of Ron Goldman, who is pursuing Simpson for damages after winning a multi-million dollar civil suit over the murder of his son - to go after Smith's fortunes.



http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-ojanna,0,7544097.story?coll=ktla-news-1
*changed

[sassylassy]

Not all batterers go on to kill, but let's look at the stats this way:

National statistics reveal that every year three to four million women are beaten by their husbands or boyfriends, and every day, four women die as the result of battering.

Of all female homicide victims every year in this country, forty percent are killed by their husbands or boyfriends. That's a big statistic. Almost half.

It's not so much looking at how many batterers kill, but of the women that end up dead how many are the result of battering.

40% is a high number when you're talking about murder.

Thanks Kay for the stats & the info :read:

however some things are different ...Nicole & Oj were Not husband/ wife
or boyfriend/ girlfriend at the time of the murders (last break up was May)

During the year they tried to get back there are no reports of physical abuse :shrug:

now I dont deny there was abuse in the past, but I dont think OJS beat Nicole or mentally abused nicole after News yrs eve (89)

so I dont see how one nite he flew into a rage and killed nicole- that doesnt seem to fit the pattern to me.:shrug:?

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Simpson also joked that he didn't want to be officially named as Dannielynn's dad because that would prompt Fred Goldman - father of Ron Goldman, who is pursuing Simpson for damages after winning a multi-million dollar civil suit over the murder of his son - to go after Smith's fortunes.


Another tasteless remark from the king of poor taste:rolleyes: I doubt ANS would have opted to sleep with a double murderer, even if she were stoned.

[martin II]

Thanks Kay for the stats & the info :read:

however some things are different ...Nicole & Oj were Not husband/ wife
or boyfriend/ girlfriend at the time of the murders (last break up was May)

During the year they tried to get back there are no reports of physical abuse :shrug:

now I dont deny there was abuse in the past, but I dont think OJS beat Nicole or mentally abused nicole after News yrs eve (89)

so I dont see how one nite he flew into a rage and killed nicole- that doesnt seem to fit the pattern to me.:shrug:?

sassy hi
I agree with your post and would like to add:

If oj had this uncontrolable need to have Nicole with him, he would NOT have told her NO when she asked him to allow her to come back.

According to testimony Nicole went from asking to come back one week to wanting to have her freedom for a while longer the next to asking to come back the next week. Cora testified that nicole stated that she knew that eventually she and oj would be togeather forever.

This back and forth by Nicole caused oj to give up on the situation and oj made it clear that he was with Paula at that time.

For me, the IRS letter to her from his lawyer was a clear sign that oj had decided to move on without nicole as this letter told her that she could not expect further help from him.imo

martin II

[Kayleighjo]

Thanks Kay for the stats & the info :read:

however some things are different ...Nicole & Oj were Not husband/ wife
or boyfriend/ girlfriend at the time of the murders (last break up was May)

During the year they tried to get back there are no reports of physical abuse :shrug:

now I dont deny there was abuse in the past, but I dont think OJS beat Nicole or mentally abused nicole after News yrs eve (89)

so I dont see how one nite he flew into a rage and killed nicole- that doesnt seem to fit the pattern to me.:shrug:?

Hi Sassy,

True no physical abuse was reported, but most often times it isn't. Her diary and accounts that she gave to her friends show that OJ Simpson was a very angry man with her in the months leding up to her death.

It is also true that they were not married or boyfriend/girlfriend at the time of her death, but here is another statstic: of all woman killed as the result of a husband or boyfriend that battered them, 80% are killed after they leave the relationship.

[martin II]

Thanks Kay for the stats & the info :read:

however some things are different ...Nicole & Oj were Not husband/ wife
or boyfriend/ girlfriend at the time of the murders (last break up was May)

During the year they tried to get back there are no reports of physical abuse :shrug:

now I dont deny there was abuse in the past, but I dont think OJS beat Nicole or mentally abused nicole after News yrs eve (89)

so I dont see how one nite he flew into a rage and killed nicole- that doesnt seem to fit the pattern to me.:shrug:?


sassy hi
imo
Statistical information is valuable for understanding historical events on the subject and is used by some profliers in trying to predict behavior.

However, there was no proof of abuse by oj simpson in the months, days just prior to 6/12 so the general statistical history of abuse by men in the u.s. towards women cannot be used to suggest or prove oj killed nicole on 6/12.

martin II

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

True no physical abuse was reported, but most often times it isn't. Her diary and accounts that she gave to her friends show that OJ Simpson was a very angry man with her in the months leding up to her death.

It is also true that they were not married or boyfriend/girlfriend at the time of her death, but here is another statstic: of all woman killed as the result of a husband or boyfriend that battered them, 80% are killed after they leave the relationship.

Thanks for the details Kay.

I dont want to come off as insensitive when I discuss the factors of what happened between Nicole & OJ, as I do find the stats alarming & I'm sadden to learn this information.

when you say 80% leave after the relationship ends, then why didnt ojs murder Nicole when they first divorced?:read:

[sassylassy]

Another tasteless remark from the king of poor taste:rolleyes: I doubt ANS would have opted to sleep with a double murderer, even if she were stoned.

I heard Jim Carrey make the same joke on the Today show & for some reason it wasnt all over the news like OJ's joke was .....:shrug: & Jims joke was better. oh well.

[sassylassy]

sassy hi
imo
Statistical information is valuable for understanding historical events on the subject and is used by some profliers in trying to predict behavior.

However, there was no proof of abuse by oj simpson in the months, days just prior to 6/12 so the general statistical history of abuse by men in the u.s. towards women cannot be used to suggest or prove oj killed nicole on 6/12.

martin II

Didnt Oj & Nicole have a legal arrangement after the 89 incident
that their prenuptial agreement would be voided if OJS physically harmed Nicole again?

[sassylassy]

Thanks for the details Kay.

I dont want to come off as insensitive when I discuss the factors of what happened between Nicole & OJ, as I do find the stats alarming & I'm sadden to learn this information.

when you say 80% are killed after they leave the relationship , then why didnt ojs murder Nicole when they first divorced?:read:

(correction in red)

[Suzee10]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed already :shrug:
but this has to be a bad joke that got out of hand?
or maybe not even true :shrug:


There's another man hinting that he could be the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby daughter - OJ Simpson.

The former NFL star allegedly told documentary filmmaker Norm Pardo - who filmed 70 hours of footage with him from 2000 to 2005 - that he was "throwing his hat into the ring" regarding the paternity battle.

According to Pardo, Simpson said "he knew Anna Nicole pretty well, and he said he had slow-moving genes* and he might be the father."

Simpson appeared in the 1994 film "The Naked Gun 33 1/3" with Smith.

Pardo says Simpson also joked that he didn't want to be officially named as Dannielynn's dad because that would prompt Fred Goldman - father of Ron Goldman, who is pursuing Simpson for damages after winning a multi-million dollar civil suit over the murder of his son - to go after Smith's fortunes.



http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-ojanna,0,7544097.story?coll=ktla-news-1
*changed



Oh please!!! simpson only wishes he could have had Anna Nicole.

[Suzee10]

I read this about Dr. Lenore Walker:

ON THE OTHER HAND: Dr. Lenore Walker is the psychologist who pioneered the "battered woman syndrome theory," and the defense had her interview and test Simpson. It was her opinion that although Simpson had battered Nicole at one time, he did not fit the pattern of a batterer who goes on to kill his victim. She believed that the only way that Simpson could have been the murderer is if he committed the crime in a fugue state, and since he did not have a history of such an aberration, that seemed virtually impossible. She did not testify because of tactical considerations by the defense (Larry Schiller,American Tragedy p. 391 - 393).

http://www.wagnerandson.com/oj/abuse.htm


That was a very stupid thing for her to say. Any batterer can be a potential killer. All he has to do is go too far.

[socaldiva]

I heard Jim Carrey make the same joke on the Today show & for some reason it wasnt all over the news like OJ's joke was .....:shrug: & Jims joke was better. oh well.

Well, just off the top of my head I'd say maybe it's because Jim Carrey isn't a wife beating, double murdering cable thief. OJ is vile, Jim Carrey isn't.

[martin II]

Didnt Oj & Nicole have a legal arrangement after the 89 incident
that their prenuptial agreement would be voided if OJS physically harmed Nicole again?

sassy hi

thats true.

martin II

[socaldiva]

What good does a voided prenup do if you are dead?

[martin II]

Oh please!!! simpson only wishes he could have had Anna Nicole.

you think it was difficult?

[martin II]

I heard Jim Carrey make the same joke on the Today show & for some reason it wasnt all over the news like OJ's joke was .....:shrug: & Jims joke was better. oh well.

sassy
hi

well so far there are five that have claimed the same on camera to be the father and there may be more in the wings.

martin II

[martin II]

(correction in red)

sassy

Is this 80% of cases where abuse was determined by some court ? how are these abuse claims determined?
martin II

[socaldiva]

sassy
hi

well so far there are five that have claimed the same on camera to be the father and there may be more in the wings.

martin II


Gee, do you think none of us have access to this information? It doesn't mean that their stories are true either. I guess you think it's written in stone.

None of the 5 were double murderers though, WTH would ANS want to sleep with that vile creature?

[sassylassy]

sassy hi

thats true.

martin II

Thats what I thought.

I think the physical abuse stopped after that time frame.
imo jmo :read:

[sassylassy]

sassy
hi

well so far there are five that have claimed the same on camera to be the father and there may be more in the wings.

martin II

isnt it just completely insane, I have never seen anything like it in my life!

one thing forsure Oj is not the baby father.:) lol.

[sassylassy]

Gee, do you think none of us have access to this information? It doesn't mean that their stories are true either. I guess you think it's written in stone.

None of the 5 were double murderers though, WTH would ANS want to sleep with that vile creature?


I have no idea if Oj ever had an affair w/ Anna Nicole, but it seems like in Hollywood everyone gets around with each other at some point (imo moo)

Anna Nicole & Oj filmed Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult in 94, before the murders.

:read:

[jotun]

I have no idea if Oj ever had an affair w/ Anna Nicole, but it seems like in Hollywood everyone gets around with each other at some point (imo moo)

Anna Nicole & Oj filmed Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult in 94, before the murders.

:read:

sassy,
Don't know if they had an affair either.
But Anna was one of US.
Anna was one of the few people who publicly spoke-up for O.J. Saw her on one of those entertainment events back then.Someone said something about Kato.
Anna said "is he here? I find him I'll slap him silly.O.J.took him in. He betrayed O.J.
I LOVE O.J.!!!
O.J.IS A SWEET MAN!!
I KNOW O.J.IS INNOCENT.........."

jotun

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Anna said "is he here? I find him I'll slap him silly.O.J.took him in. He betrayed O.J.
I LOVE O.J.!!!
O.J.IS A SWEET MAN!!
I KNOW O.J.IS INNOCENT.........."



I don't know if Anna actually said any of these things, but if she did, you have to keep in mind she was a drug addict. :rolleyes:

[martin II]

sassy,
Don't know if they had an affair either.
But Anna was one of US.
Anna was one of the few people who publicly spoke-up for O.J. Saw her on one of those entertainment events back then.Someone said something about Kato.
Anna said "is he here? I find him I'll slap him silly.O.J.took him in. He betrayed O.J.
I LOVE O.J.!!!
O.J.IS A SWEET MAN!!
I KNOW O.J.IS INNOCENT.........."

jotun

jotun
one of Nicoles/Robin Greer's friends was a stand in for ANS in that movie with OJ.

[martin II]

isnt it just completely insane, I have never seen anything like it in my life!

one thing forsure Oj is not the baby father.:) lol.

syssy
hi

i have never seem men elbowing others out of camera view claiming responsibility and begging to be alowed to change diapers prepare milk bottles and walk a crying baby at 2 am

it is insane
martin II

[Kayleighjo]

Thanks for the details Kay.

I dont want to come off as insensitive when I discuss the factors of what happened between Nicole & OJ, as I do find the stats alarming & I'm sadden to learn this information.

when you say 80% leave after the relationship ends, then why didnt ojs murder Nicole when they first divorced?:read:

You're welcome Sassy.

I don't think you come off as insensitive, I think you say what's on your mind and you're not afraid to ask questions and even more than that I think you're not afraid of the answers ... and that's admirable.

To answer your question though ... and I have to preface this by saying it's my opinion ... I think that at the time of the divorce that neither OJ or Nicole really believed that it was over. They continued to be, in some capacity, a part of each other's lives and I do believe that OJ made himself okay with that to a point. I think what angered him in the end so much was the fact that he was finally moving on and Nicole came back begging him for another chance. She said she wanted to put their family back together and he agreed to do it so he dumped Paula and took Nicole back. Once that happened he got really controlling of her and angry about the other men she had been with ... especially her affair with Marcus Allen. Then she left him again and I believe he was humiliated and angry. She'd already left him once, and it was very public. He bragged to everyone that he had his wife back and then she went and left him a second time after he gave up his new life for her. And the second time she left him was different. Everyone said that despite all of their breakups that this one seemed very different ... as though she had finally cut him out and it was the real end.

I think it really pissed him off.

[martin II]

Thats what I thought.

I think the physical abuse stopped after that time frame.
imo jmo :read:


sassy hi

On Friday, Simpson spoke of the messy end of his relationship with Ms. Simpson, saying that in the months before her murder she was volatile, obsessive, unpredictable.

"I didn't know who I was talking to from day to day. She was loving one day, upset about something the next day."

He said she followed him around, harassed his maid and called him just to yell at him.

Just days before her murder, Simpson ordered his maid and personal assistant to take calls from Ms. Simpson only if they dealt with the couple's children, Sydney and Justin.

"I just felt I needed to separate myself from her," he said. "It seemed to be problem after problem after problem."

Simpson said it came to a head when his ex-wife yelled at him on the phone about the seating arrangements for a charity dinner, accusing him of meddling in her life by inviting one of her friends.

"That was pretty much the last straw with me," he said. "I just decided I needed to distance myself."

By The Associated Press

martinII

[martin II]

sassy hi

ps

Cora, in some of her testimony made comments about Nicoles change in behavior during the months/weeks prior to her murder.

When oj and nicole broke up the last time, it did not seem to bother him at all as Paula can back and took the place she held previously as his woman.

On 6/11 at the fancy charity event they looked like a loving couple.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

Thats what I thought.

I think the physical abuse stopped after that time frame.
imo jmo :read:

Hi Sassy,

What makes you think that? Because OJ says so? Why would you believe him over Nicole? And, what about the other witnesses who saw the abuse? And, what about Keith who also witnessed the abuse?

[tazzybaby]

HE LEANED OVER OUR TABLE -- THERE WERE
13 APPROXIMATELY SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE,
14 FRIENDS OF HERS, MYSELF AND ONE OF MY FRIENDS WHO WAS
15 WORKING AT THE RESTAURANT AT THE TIME WHO I WAS INTRODUCING
16 TO HER FRIENDS.
17 HE LEANED OVER OUR TABLE, RESTED HIS HANDS ON
18 THE TABLE AND SORT OF STARED AT MYSELF AND THE OTHER MALE
19 INDIVIDUAL AT THE TABLE AND INTRODUCED HIMSELF AS MR. O.J.
20 SIMPSON AND REPLIED, "I'M O.J. SIMPSON AND SHE'S STILL MY
21 WIFE."
22 Q. AND WAS HE LOOKING AT YOU WHEN HE SAID THAT?
23 A. YES, HE WAS.
24 Q. AND HE HAD HIS HANDS PLACED ON THE TABLE TOP?
25 A. I CAN'T RECALL IF BOTH HANDS WERE ON THE TABLE
26 TOP OR ONE ON ACTUALLY HER CHAIR AND THE OTHER ON THE
27 TABLE, BUT QUITE IMPOSINGLY LEANING OVER THE TABLE.


http://walraven.org/simpson/gj_pt2.html

I think Simpson was upset that Nicole was dating. Even though he dated while they were still married.

[martin II]

HE LEANED OVER OUR TABLE -- THERE WERE
13 APPROXIMATELY SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE,
14 FRIENDS OF HERS, MYSELF AND ONE OF MY FRIENDS WHO WAS
15 WORKING AT THE RESTAURANT AT THE TIME WHO I WAS INTRODUCING
16 TO HER FRIENDS.
17 HE LEANED OVER OUR TABLE, RESTED HIS HANDS ON
18 THE TABLE AND SORT OF STARED AT MYSELF AND THE OTHER MALE
19 INDIVIDUAL AT THE TABLE AND INTRODUCED HIMSELF AS MR. O.J.
20 SIMPSON AND REPLIED, "I'M O.J. SIMPSON AND SHE'S STILL MY
21 WIFE."
22 Q. AND WAS HE LOOKING AT YOU WHEN HE SAID THAT?
23 A. YES, HE WAS.
24 Q. AND HE HAD HIS HANDS PLACED ON THE TABLE TOP?
25 A. I CAN'T RECALL IF BOTH HANDS WERE ON THE TABLE
26 TOP OR ONE ON ACTUALLY HER CHAIR AND THE OTHER ON THE
27 TABLE, BUT QUITE IMPOSINGLY LEANING OVER THE TABLE.


http://walraven.org/simpson/gj_pt2.html

I think Simpson was upset that Nicole was dating. Even though he dated while they were still married.

tazzy hi
who is testifying here
martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy,
Don't know if they had an affair either.
But Anna was one of US.
Anna was one of the few people who publicly spoke-up for O.J. Saw her on one of those entertainment events back then.Someone said something about Kato.
Anna said "is he here? I find him I'll slap him silly.O.J.took him in. He betrayed O.J.
I LOVE O.J.!!!
O.J.IS A SWEET MAN!!
I KNOW O.J.IS INNOCENT.........."

jotun


Hi Jotun

Thanks for the story, I didnt know Anna spoke about ojs & the case back then. :beer: :read:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
On Friday, Simpson spoke of the messy end of his relationship with Ms. Simpson, saying that in the months before her murder she was volatile, obsessive, unpredictable.

"

More "OJ says" :tongue: Not only does he kill her & pretend he didn't, but he's got to make up lies about her behavior to make it look like someone else killed her. What a jerk! :rolleyes:

[sassylassy]

You're welcome Sassy.

I don't think you come off as insensitive, I think you say what's on your mind and you're not afraid to ask questions and even more than that I think you're not afraid of the answers ... and that's admirable.

To answer your question though ... and I have to preface this by saying it's my opinion ... I think that at the time of the divorce that neither OJ or Nicole really believed that it was over. They continued to be, in some capacity, a part of each other's lives and I do believe that OJ made himself okay with that to a point. I think what angered him in the end so much was the fact that he was finally moving on and Nicole came back begging him for another chance. She said she wanted to put their family back together and he agreed to do it so he dumped Paula and took Nicole back. Once that happened he got really controlling of her and angry about the other men she had been with ... especially her affair with Marcus Allen. Then she left him again and I believe he was humiliated and angry. She'd already left him once, and it was very public. He bragged to everyone that he had his wife back and then she went and left him a second time after he gave up his new life for her. And the second time she left him was different. Everyone said that despite all of their breakups that this one seemed very different ... as though she had finally cut him out and it was the real end.

I think it really pissed him off.


That's a nice compliment, Thank you! :beer:

you make some good points, but what I'm wondering is how did OJS ever predict that Nicole would come back to him, how was he able to control this rage....

assuming Nicole would come back seems like a big gamble..

do u know what I mean?:read:

[sassylassy]

More "OJ says" :tongue: Not only does he kill her & pretend he didn't, but he's got to make up lies about her behavior to make it look like someone else killed her. What a jerk! :rolleyes:

why is it so hard to believe Nicole would have acted that way?

I'm sure she did. Most women that decide to end a relationship arent going to be chipper everyday-especially towards their mate!:shrug:

IMO MOO

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

What makes you think that? Because OJ says so? Why would you believe him over Nicole? And, what about the other witnesses who saw the abuse? And, what about Keith who also witnessed the abuse?


I think that because there are no reports of Physical Abuse since that time?

what Physical abuse did Keith witness? :read:

[sassylassy]

(SNIP)
HE LEANED OVER OUR TABLE, RESTED HIS HANDS ON
THE TABLE AND SORT OF STARED AT MYSELF AND THE OTHER MALE
INDIVIDUAL AT THE TABLE AND INTRODUCED HIMSELF AS MR. O.J.
SIMPSON AND REPLIED, "I'M O.J. SIMPSON AND SHE'S STILL MY WIFE."
Q. AND WAS HE LOOKING AT YOU WHEN HE SAID THAT?

I think Simpson was upset that Nicole was dating. Even though he dated while they were still married.


it sounds like ojs was trying to intimidate Keith, a male ego thing imo.

I personally would be more concerned if OJS started to throw some punches!

& I agree, I'm sure ojs was upset about losing Nicole. Most ppl are when they end a relationship, even more so when your dumped one!

but did ojs not shake Keiths hand at one time- to say they were "cool" w/ each other?

:shrug: :read:

[socaldiva]

why is it so hard to believe Nicole would have acted that way?

I'm sure she did. Most women that decide to end a relationship arent going to be chipper everyday-especially towards their mate!:shrug:

IMO MOO

There's a big difference between not being "chipper" & being "volatile, obsessive & unpredicatable". OJ is a proven liar & everything that comes out of his mouth is self-serving. imo

[sassylassy]

There's a big difference between not being "chipper" & being "volatile, obsessive & unpredicatable". OJ is a proven liar & everything that comes out of his mouth is self-serving. imo


volatile:something changing or changeable

unpredicatable: Something difficult or impossible to foretell or foresee

obsessive:to broad to know the exact meaning.


Lets also keep in mind Nicole was known to hold her own, she was no push over! (my kinda gal :cool: )

& I'm sure during the time she wasnt a happy camper.

imo moo

[socaldiva]

*snip*
volatile:something changing or changeable

unpredicatable: Something difficult or impossible to foretell or foresee

obsessive:to broad to know the exact meaning.



Thanks for the definititions, but they weren't necessary. I'm familiar with each of those words & their meanings, but perhaps you don't know of these alternate meanings. I think they are the ones OJ was getting at:


Volatile also means: tending to erupt into violence : explosive <a volatile temper>.

Since you couldn't find a meaning for obsessive, here's one:

a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling;

Just more OJ talking cr@p about Nicole. IMO

[sassylassy]

Thanks for the definititions, but they weren't necessary. I'm familiar with each of those words & their meanings, but perhaps you don't know of these alternate meanings. I think they are the ones OJ was getting at:


Volatile also means: tending to erupt into violence : explosive <a volatile temper>.

Since you couldn't find a meaning for obsessive, here's one:

a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling;

Just more OJ talking cr@p about Nicole. IMO

I found to many meanings for "obsessive" so I couldnt just pick one & just assume thats what ojs meant :read:

How can you not think Nicole would have been conflicted with many types of emotions, why would you think that crap?

as a woman I think its pretty normal myself!

[socaldiva]

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How can you not think Nicole would have been conflicted with many types of emotions, why would you think that cr*p?

as a woman I think its pretty normal myself!

Because OJ lies about so many things & seems to have just chosen negative adjectives to describe her behavior in the months leading up to the murders & IIRC others that knew her said that she felt good about finally making the break from him & the prospect of moving out of the area &