Goldmans Sue

[martin II]

well, the book is now out in the public domain AND orenthal still owes big bucks to Mr. Goldman -- guess he didn't want to lose their relationship! ;)

I think it's funny that the only chapter anyone is interested in is orenthal's confession. So much for him thinking anyone is interested in his life. :D

Imo there was always the possibility that the book would be leaked considering that from the beginning a large number of people could have had access to the manuscript and the frequency that this leakage happens in todays internet and publishing world. There are some in the internet world that believe that ALL information should be public. I am not sure i agree but that is the position of some.

From a business stand point of view i am not sure it was in oj simpsons best interest to have been involved in the leakage of this doc ( as some believe) WHEN it was leaked which according to TMZ was some days before Tmz posted it on their site. The doc did appear on some internet site before TMZ posted it and i believe that is one of the points Tmz's lawyer has pointed out.
all my opinion.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
From a business stand point of view i am not sure it was in oj simpsons best interest to have been involved in the leakage of this doc

What "business stand point"? It is my understanding that Orenthal won't be making any further money from the book.

[fbgweezer]

What "business stand point"? It is my understanding that Orenthal won't be making any further money from the book.

AND he still owes Mr. Goldman big bucks. Wait, wait! Maybe orenthal made this decision like he did his decision to go to Bundy the night he murdered Nicole and Ron. . . .revenge, paranoia, hate, anger, jelousy

[socaldiva]

AND he still owes Mr. Goldman big bucks. Wait, wait! Maybe orenthal made this decision like he did his decision to go to Bundy the night he murdered Nicole and Ron. . . .revenge, paranoia, hate, anger, jelousy

Or perhaps "if I can't have Nicole/the book, no one will".

[martin II]

AND he still owes Mr. Goldman big bucks. Wait, wait! Maybe orenthal made this decision like he did his decision to go to Bundy the night he murdered Nicole and Ron. . . .revenge, paranoia, hate, anger, jelousy

maby fred and oj MAY need two confidents/personal friend , NON lawyers, to explore some kind of deal between the two. For the last 12 years the only people that have benefited are the various lawyers filing legal actions and others, responding to legal actions.imo


martin II

[socaldiva]

maby fred and oj MAY need two confidents/personal friend , NON lawyers, to explore some kind of deal between the two. For the last 12 years the only people that have benefited are the various lawyers filing legal actions and others, responding to legal actions.imo


martin II

How do you arbitrate "I didn't do the crime, so I'm not paying a dime"?

[fbgweezer]

maby fred and oj MAY need two confidents/personal friend , NON lawyers, to explore some kind of deal between the two. For the last 12 years the only people that have benefited are the various lawyers filing legal actions and others, responding to legal actions.imo


martin II

I think Mr. Goldman gave his best offer -- something to the effect: "I want to see him penniless, without a shirt on his back". There is going to be no settlement unless it would be orenthal on national television admitting to the crimes. Oh, that's right -- he did that with his suicide letter, didn't he? Then I guess there won't be a settlement. imo

[martin II]

I think Mr. Goldman gave his best offer -- something to the effect: "I want to see him penniless, without a shirt on his back". There is going to be no settlement unless it would be orenthal on national television admitting to the crimes. Oh, that's right -- he did that with his suicide letter, didn't he? Then I guess there won't be a settlement. imo

if not, then there may be more of the same.

many enemies make confidential settlements when they become worn out from the battle and desire some level of peace.
Mr Goldmans lawyer stated that Fred was very dissapointed with the latest failed efforts. So i am not sure Fred is feeling that chipper.

'I want to see him penniless etc is not a offer, it is a unatainable wish spoken out of anger imo, mixed with some kind of PR effort.

The longer it goes on the less interest the public will have.imo
martin II

[martin II]

I think Mr. Goldman gave his best offer -- something to the effect: "I want to see him penniless, without a shirt on his back". There is going to be no settlement unless it would be orenthal on national television admitting to the crimes. Oh, that's right -- he did that with his suicide letter, didn't he? Then I guess there won't be a settlement. imo

A settlement would mean that both parties were pleased, regardless of previous comments.IMO
MARTIN ii

[socaldiva]

if not, then there may be more of the same.

many enemies make confidential settlements when they become worn out from the battle and desire some level of peace.
Mr Goldmans lawyer stated that Fred was very dissapointed with the latest failed efforts. So i am not sure Fred is feeling that chipper.

'I want to see him penniless etc is not a offer, it is a unatainable wish spoken out of anger imo, mixed with some kind of PR effort.

The longer it goes on the less interest the public will have.imo
martin II

"Mixed with some kind of PR effort"? Nah, I'm sure those words were directly from Fred & didn't need any editing or embellishment. Unlike Orenthal, Fred is quite articulate & well spoken ;)

As for your statement about becoming "worn out", I don't think that applies to Fred. He's a warrior when it comes to pursuing his son's killer & I applaud him.

[fbgweezer]

"Mixed with some kind of PR effort"? Nah, I'm sure those words were directly from Fred & didn't need any editing or embellishment. Unlike Orenthal, Fred is quite articulate & well spoken ;)

As for your statement about becoming "worn out", I don't think that applies to Fred. He's a warrior when it comes to pursuing his son's killer & I applaud him.

well said AND Mr. Goldman has the support of the majority of the public. imo

[martin II]

it is easy for some of MR GOLDMANS fans to edge him on to fight to the "Bitter End" as this may satisfy their personal desires to see OJ penniless and homeless. But these individuals are not the ones putting in the effort, money and suffering the losses and dissapointments.

it is easy to yell fight on fight on as long as one is not taking the blows in the fight.imo

[fbgweezer]

it is easy for some of MR GOLDMANS fans to edge him on to fight to the "Bitter End" as this may satisfy their personal desires to see OJ penniless and homeless. But these individuals are not the ones putting in the effort, money and suffering the losses and dissapointments.

it is easy to yell fight on fight on as long as one is not taking to blows in the fight.imo

you misunderstand martin. The majority of the public who consider orenthal james simpson to be the murderer of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman are united in their efforts to voice their support of Mr. Goldman's efforts to make the murderer of his son pay. imo

[martin II]

you misunderstand martin. The majority of the public who consider orenthal james simpson to be the murderer of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman are united in their efforts to voice their support of Mr. Goldman's efforts to make the murderer of his son pay. imo


weezer
it is you that did not understand my post.

The majority that you speak of is not the ones having to FIGHT this battle.You and the others are somewhat sitting in the balcony watching Mr Goldman fight. Yelling, fight on fight on.Fred. You receive none of the blows of failure and dissapointment such as what he received last week.
Some may just want to see a fight. any fight as long as it is a fight by others and not them.imo

martin II

[socaldiva]

you misunderstand martin. The majority of the public who consider orenthal james simpson to be the murderer of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman are united in their efforts to voice their support of Mr. Goldman's efforts to make the murderer of his son pay. imo

Well said! :beer: I think Martin still doesn't seem to get it. He thinks we need to participate in the actual lawsuits & battles in order to support Goldman's efforts. Being that he voices his continual support for Orenthal, I wonder if he is an active participate, or does he simply have different rules for himself :shrug:

[Kate Sachel]

it is easy for some of MR GOLDMANS fans to edge him on to fight to the "Bitter End" as this may satisfy their personal desires to see OJ penniless and homeless. But these individuals are not the ones putting in the effort, money and suffering the losses and dissapointments.

it is easy to yell fight on fight on as long as one is not taking the blows in the fight.imo

Your point is recieved, but! ... as long as Fred Goldman himself feels that he has the energy, time, and will to continue his fight there will be those of us that raise our hands to salute him and voice our support of his efforts. We will share, though not personally, his disappointments and anger.

And if the time does come when he feels that he can no longer fight, we'll support him then too.

Kate

[tvdinner]

it is easy for some of MR GOLDMANS fans to edge him on to fight to the "Bitter End" as this may satisfy their personal desires to see OJ penniless and homeless. But these individuals are not the ones putting in the effort, money and suffering the losses and dissapointments.

it is easy to yell fight on fight on as long as one is not taking the blows in the fight.imomartin, am I detecting a little sympathy from you toward Fred Goldman?

[martin II]

martin, am I detecting a little sympathy from you toward Fred Goldman?

tv

i have said that Mr Goldman, if he is in a search for personal peace, should drop this money grab activity or make some kind of agreement with oj so he can get on with his life.
12 years and no results other than continued anger and hate does not seem to be beneficial to him imo.
Initially Freds said it was not about money. that he wanted justice. He got justice in the civil trial. Most of all of his actions since then has been going after the money nothing else.
Actually he should be pleased that TMZ posted the manuscript on the net when they did.
imo

martin II

martin II

[tvdinner]

tv

i have said that Mr Goldman, if he is in a search for personal peace, should drop this money grab activity or make some kind of agreement with oj so he can get on with his life.
12 years and no results other than continued anger and hate does not seem to be beneficial to him imo.
Initially Freds said it was not about money. that he wanted justice. He got justice in the civil trial. Most of all of his actions since then has been going after the money nothing else.
Actually he should be pleased that TMZ posted the manuscript on the net when they did.
imo

martin II

martin IImartin, Fred Goldman hasn't gotten justice. There will be no legal justice for Ron until Simpson satisfies the judgement handed down in the civil trial. Why should he make a deal with OJ Simpson? Simpson didn't attempt to make a deal with Fred Goldman before butchering his son.

I have wondered at times how Mr. Goldman goes on with this fight year after year and then the other day I looked at the picture of Ron as he lay slaughtered like an animal. I hadn't seen the picture in years. It's easy to forget the victims and the true horror of the crime as we talk about the details of the case and nitpick with each other. Fred Goldman has to live with that picture in his mind every waking moment.

Make a deal with the perpertrator of that carnage? He has my support for as long as he has the will to go on. If he ever decides he can't go on then he can at least say he gave it his all.

[martin II]

martin, Fred Goldman hasn't gotten justice. There will be no legal justice for Ron until Simpson satisfies the judgement handed down in the civil trial. Why should he make a deal with OJ Simpson? Simpson didn't attempt to make a deal with Fred Goldman before butchering his son.

I have wondered at times how Mr. Goldman goes on with this fight year after year and then the other day I looked at the picture of Ron as he lay slaughtered like an animal. I hadn't seen the picture in years. It's easy to forget the victims and the true horror of the crime as we talk about the details of the case and nitpick with each other. Fred Goldman has to live with that picture in his mind every waking moment.

Make a deal with the perpertrator of that carnage? He has my support for as long as he has the will to go on. If he ever decides he can't go on then he can at least say he gave it his all.


tv

If it is money that Mr Goldman is seeking, then he has failed so far. If there had been a deal between them when the book came out, then it is possible that by now he would have had some money.

There will be no more justice, legally for Mr Goldman if the civil trial did not do it for him. I don't see how money equals to justice as it will change nothing as far as Ron is concerned. Accepting money for his sons death as a way to say i have justice, just does not seem right to me.

Denise Brown has made the statement that her family was moving on with their lives.

Below is a comment i read on a blog by a person claiming to be a victim which expresses my opinion.

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Feb 13, 2007

To the Goldmans....
Let it go please let it go.
Not that I don't have heart, my brother was killed and the murderer is walking free and it wasn't until I let it go that I found peace.
Let it go.....being at peace is more fulfilling.

mad women
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[fbgweezer]

tv

If it is money that Mr Goldman is seeking, then he has failed so far. If there had been a deal between them when the book came out, then it is possible that by now he would have had some money.

There will be no more justice, legally for Mr Goldman if the civil trial did not do it for him. I don't see how money equals to justice as it will change nothing as far as Ron is concerned. Accepting money for his sons death as a way to say i have justice, just does not seem right to me.

Denise Brown has made the statement that her family was moving on with their lives.

Below is a comment i read on a blog by a person claiming to be a victim which expresses my opinion.

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#2
Feb 13, 2007

To the Goldmans....
Let it go please let it go.
Not that I don't have heart, my brother was killed and the murderer is walking free and it wasn't until I let it go that I found peace.
Let it go.....being at peace is more fulfilling.

mad women
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you are very quick to berate Mr. Goldman for his feelings and actions -- I wonder what you would do martin if you were in his shoes? I wonder that since you are so zealous in your hate for LE because of misdeeds (whether alledged or perceived). imo

I cannot imagine the horrific feeling of burying your child -- much less one that was murdered and the murderer walks free. I don't know what Mr. Goldman's plans are for the future but it is his life -- not mine and not yours. The difference is you seem to think he should be able to move on and I believe he has every right to do whatever he can legally to find some kind of justice. imo

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped* i have said that Mr Goldman, if he is in a search for personal peace, should drop this money grab activity or make some kind of agreement with oj so he can get on with his life.

you've been asked not to use these terms when referring to Mr. Goldman's fight for justice. And who the devil do you think you are to even suggest that he 'make some kind of agreement' with the murderer of his son? Good Gawd!

[tvdinner]

tv

If it is money that Mr Goldman is seeking, then he has failed so far. If there had been a deal between them when the book came out, then it is possible that by now he would have had some money.

There will be no more justice, legally for Mr Goldman if the civil trial did not do it for him. I don't see how money equals to justice as it will change nothing as far as Ron is concerned. Accepting money for his sons death as a way to say i have justice, just does not seem right to me.

Denise Brown has made the statement that her family was moving on with their lives.

Below is a comment i read on a blog by a person claiming to be a victim which expresses my opinion.

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#2
Feb 13, 2007

To the Goldmans....
Let it go please let it go.
Not that I don't have heart, my brother was killed and the murderer is walking free and it wasn't until I let it go that I found peace.
Let it go.....being at peace is more fulfilling.

mad women
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martin, I agree with weezer that we can't make that decision for Fred Goldman. What gives one person peace doesn't necessarily give another the same peace. The Browns have Nicole's children to remember her by and give them comfort. Not so the Goldman's.

Once again I'm going to say it's not about money. It's about making OJ Simpson suffer and the only way to do that at this point is by going after the money. IMO, Simpson will never face justice in this life but it awaits him in the next.

[martin II]

martin, I agree with weezer that we can't make that decision for Fred Goldman. What gives one person peace doesn't necessarily give another the same peace. The Browns have Nicole's children to remember her by and give them comfort. Not so the Goldman's.

Once again I'm going to say it's not about money. It's about making OJ Simpson suffer and the only way to do that at this point is by going after the money. IMO, Simpson will never face justice in this life but it awaits him in the next.

tv hi

I am not suggesting that a decision be made for MR Goldman. I am suggesting
that imo opinion Mr Goldman is currently being driven by anger and hate against oj. Some do not agree but it is my opinion that it is not healthy to hold these emotions in ones heart especially for such a long time. I think that most mental health experts would agree.

Since Mr Goldman has not been successful in getting money so far, it seems
that a way for him to get money would be to be involved in some kind of agreement/settlement that would give him some money.

I had thought that this book WOULD have been his best opportunity to get some money but it appears that the TMZ action has made that unlikely or impossible.

I believe for mr goldman to have PEACE in his life , this issue has to be resolved in some way. So far the way of his lawyers has not proven to be beneficial (money) to him.

Mr Goldmans Lawyer has stated that he had changed his original motive in the case against oj and they now wanted the rights to the book to make money. Remember Mr Goldman, at the beginning of the LBA Bankruptcy had stated that they would try to BUY the book rights so they could resell them.

I don;t know if it is Mr Goldmans Lawyers that are pushing him to continue to
go after the money as he must have some very high legal bills after 12 years.

Ok so lets say somehow Mr Goldman is paid the judgement in full by OJ.
What then?
imo

martin II

[Martyrdom]

It may be Arnells looks that have angered some and not so much her relationships with her brothers and sister. at any rate it matters not.imo
martin II

Nah, the fact that she looks kinda fat and bloated don't anger me ... it just grosses me out.

Guess it's right up your alley though since ya can't be talkin' enough about it.

[Martyrdom]

martin, Fred Goldman hasn't gotten justice. There will be no legal justice for Ron until Simpson satisfies the judgement handed down in the civil trial. Why should he make a deal with OJ Simpson? Simpson didn't attempt to make a deal with Fred Goldman before butchering his son.

I have wondered at times how Mr. Goldman goes on with this fight year after year and then the other day I looked at the picture of Ron as he lay slaughtered like an animal. I hadn't seen the picture in years. It's easy to forget the victims and the true horror of the crime as we talk about the details of the case and nitpick with each other. Fred Goldman has to live with that picture in his mind every waking moment.

Make a deal with the perpertrator of that carnage? He has my support for as long as he has the will to go on. If he ever decides he can't go on then he can at least say he gave it his all.


:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[martin II]

So far judge Cristol has not published a written copy of his latest decision of a few weeks ago in the LBA bankruptcy hearing.
martin II

[jotun]

joutn

This question is for you only.

"How does a trustee seek turnover of all copies of copyright material that has already been electronically transmitted to thousands of people? "

How does that work?

martin II

Martin--IMO
Seek turnover of ALL copies??
Have no idea. Maybe they will raid US.
Lock your doors or you might find fred going thru your stuff. LOL
Fred's judge ordered LBA to turn over everything before but got nothing.Saw by their court papers [smoking gun] that the manuscript was NOT turned over as ordered either,only a outline which they had.

jotun

[jotun]

Sassy, all,
That's what O.J. said.
Here is what fred's lawyers have to say.
My links never work so will write it out.

Battista said "I can't tell you how DISTRAUGHT the goldmans are to hear that this hit the internet for FREE!!"

From Fox.com
Polock told nydn that "the publication destroys the book's potentical value and came just days away from a legal settlement which would given the goldmans the right to sell the book to a publisher.There is only one person who could have been behind this and that is
O.J.SIMPSON.
Yale Galanter called the accusation:
"BALONEY"

LMAO!!!!!

jotun

Martin--IMO
Goldmans have bought those book rights to SELL.
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20070702/APN7020887
How much did they 'pay'???
Who will want it NOW that it has sprung that LEAK???

LMAO...

jotun

[socaldiva]

Martin--IMO
Goldmans have bought those book rights to SELL.
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20070702/APN7020887
How much did they 'pay'???
Who will want it NOW that it has sprung that LEAK???

LMAO...

jotun

You laugh at a man that is being deprived of what the courts said he was entitled to?

You laugh at a man who's Son was murdered?

Very telling, I'd say.......

[Wukong]

I posted this on another thread before I started reading this one...which seems the correct place for this:

I posted a link to Arnelle's deposition in the bankruptcy of (cough..cough...ahem) her company, Lorraine Brooke associates, given on June 13th, 2007, in the links thread.

Well, I just the whole thing. Either Arnelle is the dumbest person on earth or she is covering up for her father. She sets up her own company for her and her siblings to make money from OJ's book. Then Harper Collins is depositing hundreds of thousands of dollars into her company account and her father is promptly taking it out, and she knows nothing about it....Yeah, right..I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/Arne...ion_061307.pdf

[socaldiva]

My opinion of Arnelle after reading her deposition, is that she's every bit as dumb, immoral & greedy as her Dad. JMO

[martin II]

Martin--IMO
Goldmans have bought those book rights to SELL.
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20070702/APN7020887
How much did they 'pay'???
Who will want it NOW that it has sprung that LEAK???

LMAO...

jotun

jotun

link did not work.

I have not read this as yet.
last week the judges law clerk said this was not true but that was a week ago. Anything can happen in this case.

IMO
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

I posted this on another thread before I started reading this one...which seems the correct place for this:

I posted a link to Arnelle's deposition in the bankruptcy of (cough..cough...ahem) her company, Lorraine Brooke associates, given on June 13th, 2007, in the links thread.

Well, I just the whole thing. Either Arnelle is the dumbest person on earth or she is covering up for her father. She sets up her own company for her and her siblings to make money from OJ's book. Then Harper Collins is depositing hundreds of thousands of dollars into her company account and her father is promptly taking it out, and she knows nothing about it....Yeah, right..I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/Arne...ion_061307.pdf

The relationship between arnelle and orenthal is indeed strange. imo

[tazzybaby]

I posted this on another thread before I started reading this one...which seems the correct place for this:

I posted a link to Arnelle's deposition in the bankruptcy of (cough..cough...ahem) her company, Lorraine Brooke associates, given on June 13th, 2007, in the links thread.

Well, I just the whole thing. Either Arnelle is the dumbest person on earth or she is covering up for her father. She sets up her own company for her and her siblings to make money from OJ's book. Then Harper Collins is depositing hundreds of thousands of dollars into her company account and her father is promptly taking it out, and she knows nothing about it....Yeah, right..I might have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/Arne...ion_061307.pdf

One thing that I didn't mention in my other post that really bothers me.... Arnelle was talking about this whole thing making her and her siblings money. When asked what she wanted to do with the money she said she wanted to buy her mom a house among other things??? I just don't get it. I don't get why she thinks she should profit from this? And, to buy her mom a house? I know that her mom got money when she and OJ divorced. So, does that mean that she's spent it all?? Surely she got child support until Jason and Arnelle moved in with OJ. So, now, let's all profit off of the death of Sydney and Justin's mother?? And, in such a low down way???!! Shouldn't these people be trying to protect Sydney and Justin from all of this? Do they overlook the fact that they have lived WITHOUT their mother most of their lives? This family seems to truly think it's no big deal.

:(

[fbgweezer]

One thing that I didn't mention in my other post that really bothers me.... Arnelle was talking about this whole thing making her and her siblings money. When asked what she wanted to do with the money she said she wanted to buy her mom a house among other things??? I just don't get it. I don't get why she thinks she should profit from this? And, to buy her mom a house? I know that her mom got money when she and OJ divorced. So, does that mean that she's spent it all?? Surely she got child support until Jason and Arnelle moved in with OJ. So, now, let's all profit off of the death of Sydney and Justin's mother?? And, in such a low down way???!! Shouldn't these people be trying to protect Sydney and Justin from all of this? Do they overlook the fact that they have lived WITHOUT their mother most of their lives? This family seems to truly think it's no big deal.

:(

When I did the research, I found that Marguerite had to take orenthal to court to get the part of the divorce settlement he tried to cheat her out of and even then she didn't get the full amount.

I thought what was sad was when she said her siblings weren't interested when she approached them about the book deal. I just don't know how you would ask the children of a murder victim if they mind if the man accused of killing them could write a confession and sell it for profit! Pathetic.

imo

[martin II]

jotun

thats correct.

I heard today that the judge GAVE the rights to the Goldmans under a agreement that they pay the trustee/court 10% of the first 4 million $ from the sales and some additional money after that.

They must know or hope that the book still has value.

Which means there is more than one way to skin a cat.

imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

Ron Goldman's family awarded rights to O.J. Simpson's canceled book in settlement

http://www.courttv.com/people/2007/0703/simpson_book_ap.html

[fbgweezer]

"The Goldmans own the copyright, media rights and movie rights. They also acquired Simpson's name, likeness, life story and right of publicity in connection with the book, according to court documents."

[fbgweezer]

jotun

thats correct.

I heard today that the judge GAVE the rights to the Goldmans under a agreement that they pay the trustee/court 10% of the first 4 million $ from the sales and some additional money after that.

They must know or hope that the book still has value.

Which means there is more than one way to skin a cat.

imo
martin II

actually martin, there was no 'gave': "The family of Ron Goldman has purchasedthe rights . . ."

[martin II]

actually martin, there was no 'gave': "The family of Ron Goldman has purchasedthe rights . . ."

My comments are based on what i heard on the radio as i did not find the judges decision posted.
Purchased may be a streatch. imo
Actually it sound like a joint venture agreement to me as no money has changed hands yet the title HAS and they both will share in the profits as they come in. It is like two private companies entering into a j.v. agreement for profit. I think it is quite creative. The court going into business with a private company(F GOLDMAN) for profit. IMO
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

My comments are based on what i heard on the radio as i did not find the judges decision posted.
Purchased may be a streatch. imo
Actually it sound like a joint venture agreement to me as no money has changed hands yet the title HAS and they both will share in the profits as they come in. It is like two private companies entering into a j.v. agreement for profit. I think it is quite creative. The court going into business with a private company(F GOLDMAN) for profit. IMO
MARTIN ii

does this really matter to you? orenthal got his money.

[martin II]

does this really matter to you? orenthal got his money.

I am pleases that fred is on his way. It shows what can happen when one has friends in the right places.

imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

I am pleases that fred is on his way. It shows what can happen when one has friends in the right places.

imo
martin II


You are now suggesting that Fred received the rights to the book because of a friendship? You are making this stuff up & you should stop :no: :no: :no:

[martin II]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20061102-1801-ca-simpsonsuit.html


In addition, Florida law allows a person to license the commercial use of his name or likeness, but not to transfer or assign it while he is still alive, his lawyer asserted.




http://www.knbc.com/news/10096984/detail.html


But Santa Monica Superior Court Judge LINDA LEFKOWITZ turned down the challenge yesterday (02NOV06), declaring the move would violate the constitution.

[martin II]

Since Mr Goldman won a settlement in the bankruptcy court for his judgement, does OJ owe him any money?

martin II

[Kate Sachel]

Since Mr Goldman won a settlement in the bankruptcy court for his judgement, does OJ owe him any money?

martin II

Yes, OJ still owes him money. The bankruptcy was that of Lorraine Brooke Associates, not Orenthal James Simpson thus the settlement was with LBA and not Simpson.

Kate

[martin II]

I am waiting on judge Cristol to post his bench decisions on the court record which i have not found as yet. I also looked for the trustees actions and did not find them as yet.
maby this week they will be available.
martin II

[martin II]

it seems the fat lady stopped singing mid song.

martin II

[fbgweezer]

it seems the fat lady stopped singing mid song.

martin II

:confused: :confused:

[martin II]

:confused: :confused:

see jotuns post OJ BOOK
MARTIN ii

[Kate Sachel]

I'm not certain how I missed it ... but it makes me laugh amid the wild speculation that Nicole and Ron were cocaine freaks, and OJ was the stand up father who was trying to protect his children from the drug addict people that Nicole brought around ... I was reading about how FBI documents from 2002 show that OJ had a drug dealer living in the guest house of his Miami Home. According to the FBI documents, the drug trafficker drove Simpson’s two children to and from school while making illegal deals on his mobile phone.

Lovely.

Kate

[fbgweezer]

I'm not certain how I missed it ... but it makes me laugh amid the wild speculation that Nicole and Ron were cocaine freaks, and OJ was the stand up father who was trying to protect his children from the drug addict people that Nicole brought around ... I was reading about how FBI documents from 2002 show that OJ had a drug dealer living in the guest house of his Miami Home. According to the FBI documents, the drug trafficker drove Simpson’s two children to and from school while making illegal deals on his mobile phone.

Lovely.

Kate

yeah but I bet it was Nicole's fault. . . .Sorry, couldn't help myself. It's just that he blamed her for everything HE was doing. What a slime. I still believe he's a socio/psychopath.

[martin II]

yeah but I bet it was Nicole's fault. . . .Sorry, couldn't help myself. It's just that he blamed her for everything HE was doing. What a slime. I still believe he's a socio/psychopath.

based on testimony and the book, it is my belief that most if not all of people in that friendship group did drugs from time to time.

It did seem from testimony of friends and the book that Nicole had made some change in her activities and lifestyle.imo
martin II

[martin II]

yeah but I bet it was Nicole's fault. . . .Sorry, couldn't help myself. It's just that he blamed her for everything HE was doing. What a slime. I still believe he's a socio/psychopath.

weezer

I believe Faye Resnick was quoted accurately.(in the book)
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

based on testimony and the book, it is my belief that most if not all of people in that friendship group did drugs from time to time.

It did seem from testimony of friends and the book that Nicole had made some change in her activities and lifestyle.imo
martin II

based on reports, orenthal has not changed his activities or his lifestyle. He had drugs in his system on the night he murdered Nicole and Ron and it seems he continued to use. imo

"SUMMARY
FBI witness statements and surveillance and search-warrant records state O.J. Simpson:

Used cocaine and was supplied with the illegal drug Ecstasy.

Allowed an Ecstasy dealer to stay at his guest home and drive his children to school.

Celebrated the victory in his 2001 road-rage trial by entertaining girlfriends with 2 1/2 grams of cocaine.

Had four bags of "suspected" marijuana, drug pipes, and cocaine residue in his home during a Dec. 4 search. "

[fbgweezer]

weezer

I believe Faye Resnick was quoted accurately.(in the book)
MARTIN ii

did she say he was a socio/psycho-path too? :tongue:

[Kate Sachel]

yeah but I bet it was Nicole's fault. . . .Sorry, couldn't help myself. It's just that he blamed her for everything HE was doing. What a slime. I still believe he's a socio/psychopath.

Not to mention a cad and a sadist.

Kate

[martin II]

based on reports, orenthal has not changed his activities or his lifestyle. He had drugs in his system on the night he murdered Nicole and Ron and it seems he continued to use. imo

"SUMMARY
FBI witness statements and surveillance and search-warrant records state O.J. Simpson:

Used cocaine and was supplied with the illegal drug Ecstasy.

Allowed an Ecstasy dealer to stay at his guest home and drive his children to school.

Celebrated the victory in his 2001 road-rage trial by entertaining girlfriends with 2 1/2 grams of cocaine.

Had four bags of "suspected" marijuana, drug pipes, and cocaine residue in his home during a Dec. 4 search. "


AND

martin II

[martin II]

based on reports, orenthal has not changed his activities or his lifestyle. He had drugs in his system on the night he murdered Nicole and Ron and it seems he continued to use. imo

"SUMMARY
FBI witness statements and surveillance and search-warrant records state O.J. Simpson:

Used cocaine and was supplied with the illegal drug Ecstasy.

Allowed an Ecstasy dealer to stay at his guest home and drive his children to school.

Celebrated the victory in his 2001 road-rage trial by entertaining girlfriends with 2 1/2 grams of cocaine.

Had four bags of "suspected" marijuana, drug pipes, and cocaine residue in his home during a Dec. 4 search. "


weezer

Sound like you don't approve of OTHERS that like to get high from time to time.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

did she say he was a socio/psycho-path too? :tongue:

She may have but i have not read those comments. But i do believe the doctors that interviewed OJ in the custody case were more qualified to determine his mental condition than some PLAY DOCTORS that sling words around because of their own hatred.
That is my opinion.

martin II

[martin II]

based on reports, orenthal has not changed his activities or his lifestyle. He had drugs in his system on the night he murdered Nicole and Ron and it seems he continued to use. imo

"SUMMARY
FBI witness statements and surveillance and search-warrant records state O.J. Simpson:

Used cocaine and was supplied with the illegal drug Ecstasy.

Allowed an Ecstasy dealer to stay at his guest home and drive his children to school.

Celebrated the victory in his 2001 road-rage trial by entertaining girlfriends with 2 1/2 grams of cocaine.

Had four bags of "suspected" marijuana, drug pipes, and cocaine residue in his home during a Dec. 4 search. "

weezer

you left out Faye Resnick living at nicoles where daily FREEBASING was taking place with strangers comming and going. Gees that was not that difficult to remember was it?
imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer

you left out Faye Resnick living at nicoles where daily FREEBASING was taking place with strangers comming and going. Gees that was not that difficult to remember was it?
imo
martin II

there is no evidence that any of that was going on EXCEPT for the rantings of the murderer. If you have proof other than the murderer's own words, please post.

[martin II]

there is no evidence that any of that was going on EXCEPT for the rantings of the murderer. If you have proof other than the murderer's own words, please post.

weezer
you owe a link to a thread and you ask for one?

martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer
you owe a link to a thread and you ask for one?

martin II

what do I owe a link for?

[martin II]

what do I owe a link for?

i think you know but i am not interested in getting iinto a back and forth about what appears to be a favorite subject of your post .i asked and you refused. nothing new.
imo
LINKS
martin II

[fbgweezer]

i think you know but i am not interested in getting iinto a back and forth about what appears to be a favorite subject of your post .i asked and you refused. nothing new.
imo
LINKS
martin II

I don't know what you're talking about. :shrug:

[socaldiva]

i think you know but i am not interested in getting iinto a back and forth about what appears to be a favorite subject of your post .i asked and you refused. nothing new.
imo
LINKS
martin II

You're telling fbg she refused to provide a link, yet you won't name the link she supposedly refused to give? That's funny. :tongue:

[martin II]

I don't know what you're talking about. :shrug:

ok since you continue to ask. i think you know.

you have poster that there were pigeon toed foot prints at bundy. Bodiazs testimony did not show this and i know of no other court testimony indicating this. you were asked to give the link. i don't believe you have done so as yet.
It is not that important for me.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
ok since you continue to ask. i think you know.




That's funny. She posted about it 4 days ago, and now you claim that she "continues to ask"....:tongue:

btw, she's given that link MULTIPLE times.

[sassylassy]

I was just reading this link on MSNBC: (hopefully its not posted else where)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19876298/site/newsweek/?from=rss

as a result of the book & the lawsuits it looks like the Browns & goldmans are fighting- interesting read....

[jotun]

I was just reading this link on MSNBC: (hopefully its not posted else where)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19876298/site/newsweek/?from=rss

as a result of the book & the lawsuits it looks like the Browns & goldmans are fighting- interesting read....

sassy
I posted this days ago on 'O.J.s New Book'thread. But needs to be on this thread also.
Very interesting especially:

GOLDman's legal team has recently mailed 100's to publishers,literary & talent agencies & even movie producers to solicit offers for what they consider a valuable deal.So far almost no one has responded to the queries.But he has received a prelimainary request.But the CEO Young said."I'm NOT interested in publishing this book" "an UNEQUIVOCAL NO"....

IMO

jotun

[sassylassy]

Oj Interview:

http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1125865548

[sassylassy]

Oj lashes out at Fred Goldman:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-08-01-simpson-book_N.htm?csp=34

[sassylassy]

O.J. says ghost author wrote flawed murder account:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070801/en_nm/simpson_book_dc_3

[martin II]

O.J. says ghost author wrote flawed murder account:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070801/en_nm/simpson_book_dc_3

sassy
thanks for these links. I am going over to the interview site later today.
martin II

[n.n]

From what you've seen. Now take what you've seen and multiply it by about a hundred because the worst of what a batterer does is in private and kept under wraps by everyone involved. I don't need to speak with emergency personel or read a website or books because I lived it. I feared for my life on a frequent basis, but the ugly fact is that I might still be with him had he not been killed in a car accident.

Cora Fischman was one of Nicole's best friends and has been one of OJ's biggest supporters. She testified in the civil trial that she never knew Nicole to tell even white lies, that she was always honest. When asked then if she believed that Nicole told the truth in the pages of her diary, Cora responded that yes she did believe that. I believe her words went along the lines of "if the diary was written by Nicole then yes I believe it's true". The worst part after that is that she continued to support OJ.

I am sorry, but I cannot judge on anything else than what I have actually seen (just as the jury had to do.) I can neither magnify nor diminish the facts. And the facts make it clear enough that Mrs. Simpson was abused, and that she had the courage to go public (as the pics. she had taken of her bruises show.)

The second part tof your post is very touching, but in all honesty, I do not believe that there exists a single person who never has told a lie.

[n.n]

I'm not certain how I missed it ... but it makes me laugh amid the wild speculation that Nicole and Ron were cocaine freaks, and OJ was the stand up father who was trying to protect his children from the drug addict people that Nicole brought around ... I was reading about how FBI documents from 2002 show that OJ had a drug dealer living in the guest house of his Miami Home. According to the FBI documents, the drug trafficker drove Simpson’s two children to and from school while making illegal deals on his mobile phone.

Lovely.

Kate

That might be true, and I don't really doubt it. But the difference is that nobody tried to portray Mr. Simpson as an "immacculate" person. While pity and empathy and grief led many people to completely do away with any negative trait in Mrs. Simpson (which is understandable, but simply not true.) The reason for such behavior, in my opinion, is to demonize Mr. Simpson and have his behavior appear even worse than it was.

[martin II]

That might be true, and I don't really doubt it. But the difference is that nobody tried to portray Mr. Simpson as an "immacculate" person. While pity and empathy and grief led many people to completely do away with any negative trait in Mrs. Simpson (which is understandable, but simply not true.) The reason for such behavior, in my opinion, is to demonize Mr. Simpson and have his behavior appear even worse than it was.

n.n.
thanks for your comments. i agree completely.

martin II

[martin II]

n.n
Nicole had K.Z. her boyfriend for a short period of time living in her house but a mention of nicole being around drug people or doing drugs is rejected out of hand by some people.
so if true both had a person accused of doing/selling drugs living in their houses.

imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

That might be true, and I don't really doubt it. But the difference is that nobody tried to portray Mr. Simpson as an "immacculate" person. While pity and empathy and grief led many people to completely do away with any negative trait in Mrs. Simpson (which is understandable, but simply not true.) The reason for such behavior, in my opinion, is to demonize Mr. Simpson and have his behavior appear even worse than it was.

I don't think anyone on this board 'believes' Nicole was an 'immacculate' person. I do think that most on this board believe that she did not deserve to be abused and murdered by orenthal. Maybe what happens is that when orenthal and/or orenthal apologists attack Nicole and/or Ron, some of us try to remind them that there was nothing those two did to justify orenthal murdering them. imo

[fbgweezer]

n.n
Nicole had K.Z. her boyfriend for a short period of time living in her house but a mention of nicole being around drug people or doing drugs is rejected out of hand by some people.
so if true both had a person accused of doing/selling drugs living in their houses.

imo
martin II

who is K.Z. and when did she have a boyfriend living with her?

[martin II]

who is K.Z. and when did she have a boyfriend living with her?

http://walraven.org/simpson/simpson.html#lists


This has been discussed many times so i am not sure why you are asking your question.
Keith Zimmorwitz(sp) is the name.
you can find comments about him living at nicoles in i believe ,Cora Fishmans testimony in the link above.

all my opinion.
martinII

[martin II]

keith zlomsowitch


O.J.’s defense team found links to Zlomsowitch and mobsters in Miami after he testified in the grand jury. In 1995 police pulled over a car in which Zlomsowitch was a passenger and found a substantial quantity of cocaine. The driver, who was arrested and charged, swore it belonged to Zlomsowitch, whose restaurants in California and Colorado were under federal, state and local surveillance for drug trafficking. He was released


O.J. said he didn’t know who Alexandria was until Nicole told him. Nicole’s old friend Robin Greer was a Heidi Fleiss call girl. O.J. now knew that Zlomsowitch was also connected to Heidi, which connected the mother of his two youngest children three ways to prostitution and to a cocaine dealer he saw her having oral sex with. Faye emphasized that form of sex in her Private Diary book. Faye called it “the Brentwood Hello” and Maria Clark used the incident that O.J. witnessed as a. “stalking” and “peeping” incident like many such “hiding in the bushes” and peeping incidents Faye described witnessing with Nicole on Bundy in her book. Faye said that this was O.J.’s “M/O.” Marcia used it in conjunction with shrubs that were pressed down on Nicole’s front porch to construct a scenario were O.J. was “laying in wait” for Nicole on the night of June 12, 1994 – although there was nothing in the condo for O.J. to “peep” at from that vantage point


http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm

[fbgweezer]

http://walraven.org/simpson/simpson.html#lists


This has been discussed many times so i am not sure why you are asking your question.
Keith Zimmorwitz(sp) is the name.
you can find comments about him living at nicoles in i believe ,Cora Fishmans testimony in the link above.

all my opinion.
martinII

hmmm -- you are wrong about KZ living at Nicole's.

[fbgweezer]

keith zlomsowitch


O.J.’s defense team found links to Zlomsowitch and mobsters in Miami after he testified in the grand jury. In 1995 police pulled over a car in which Zlomsowitch was a passenger and found a substantial quantity of cocaine. The driver, who was arrested and charged, swore it belonged to Zlomsowitch, whose restaurants in California and Colorado were under federal, state and local surveillance for drug trafficking. He was released


O.J. said he didn’t know who Alexandria was until Nicole told him. Nicole’s old friend Robin Greer was a Heidi Fleiss call girl. O.J. now knew that Zlomsowitch was also connected to Heidi, which connected the mother of his two youngest children three ways to prostitution and to a cocaine dealer he saw her having oral sex with. Faye emphasized that form of sex in her Private Diary book. Faye called it “the Brentwood Hello” and Maria Clark used the incident that O.J. witnessed as a. “stalking” and “peeping” incident like many such “hiding in the bushes” and peeping incidents Faye described witnessing with Nicole on Bundy in her book. Faye said that this was O.J.’s “M/O.” Marcia used it in conjunction with shrubs that were pressed down on Nicole’s front porch to construct a scenario were O.J. was “laying in wait” for Nicole on the night of June 12, 1994 – although there was nothing in the condo for O.J. to “peep” at from that vantage point


http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm

not sure what KZ being in trouble in 1995 has to do with orenthal murdering Nicole and Ron in 1994. :shrug:

whether or not Nicole did drugs has never been the issue -- the facts are that on the night orenthal james simpson murdered two human beings, he had drugs in his system. Neither of his victims were found to have drugs in their systems at the time of their deaths.

[martin II]

Keith Zlomsowitch (indirect – mutual contacts – see Monkey Bar and Vicky Morgan): Zlomsowitch testified in the O.J. grand jury that he met Nicole Simpson in January 1992 at a Mezzalua restaurant he managed in Aspen, Colorado and had a brief affair with her in April and May of that year. In April he had a sexual encounter with her that O.J. witnessed through an exposed front window of Nicole’s Gretna Green condo. He testified that he lived in Nicole’s guesthouse as a friend. He managed both Mezzalua restaurants in California and the one in Aspen where he introduced himself to Nicole in January ’92 and where Faye met Grant Cramer and Kato Kaelin in December of ’92. Ron Goldman worked for Zlomsowitch as a waiter in the Brentwood Mezzaluna, a favorite hangout for Nicole, Kris Jenner, Cynthia Shahian and Faye. His fiancée Alexandria Datig was a stand-in for Anna Nicole Smith in The Naked Gun 33 1/3.

http://www.smartfellowspress.com/Flow%20Chart%20Faye.htm


this subject belongs on another thread so i will not post more about it here.
martin II

[martin II]

hmmm -- you are wrong about KZ living at Nicole's.

weezer
I suggest you see keith Zlomowitch's testimony and then tell me if i am wrong.imo
martin II

[martin II]

not sure what KZ being in trouble in 1995 has to do with orenthal murdering Nicole and Ron in 1994. :shrug:

whether or not Nicole did drugs has never been the issue -- the facts are that on the night orenthal james simpson murdered two human beings, he had drugs in his system. Neither of his victims were found to have drugs in their systems at the time of their deaths.

weezer
you asked me who KZ was. i posted info about his accused drug involvement and his involvement with nicole also that he testified that he DID live at nicoles.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

weezer
I suggest you see keith Zlomowitch's testimony and then tell me if i am wrong.imo
martin II

I've never heard that Keith lived at Nicole's either. Do you have a link to the testimony you are speaking of here, where he states he lived with Nicole?

[fbgweezer]

weezer
you asked me who KZ was. i posted info about his accused drug involvement and his involvement with nicole also that he testified that he DID live at nicoles.imo
martin II

you didn't say he lived 'at' Nicole's, you said: "Originally Posted by martin II
n.n
Nicole had K.Z. her boyfriend for a short period of time living in her house but a mention of nicole being around drug people or doing drugs is rejected out of hand by some people.
so if true both had a person accused of doing/selling drugs living in their houses.

imo
martin II"

[martin II]

you didn't say he lived 'at' Nicole's, you said: "Originally Posted by martin II
n.n
Nicole had K.Z. her boyfriend for a short period of time living in her house but a mention of nicole being around drug people or doing drugs is rejected out of hand by some people.
so if true both had a person accused of doing/selling drugs living in their houses.

imo
martin II"

weeze


Keiths testimony speaks for itself.

Whatever you believes my post or his testimony means is ok with me.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

"Kaelin testified that Simpson was brooding, and cursing, the day before the murders over his former wife's sexual escapades, referring to an incident in which he witnessed Nicole having sex with a boyfriend, Keith Zlomsowitch"


www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,985629-5,00.html

[socaldiva]

weeze


Keiths testimony speaks for itself.

Whatever you believes my post or his testimony means is ok with me.
imo
martin II

Please link to the testimony of which you speak.

[martin II]

hmmm -- you are wrong about KZ living at Nicole's.

weezer

Was the link i gave you abour Keith living at nicoles enough? i can give another link if you still don't believe it.
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer

Was the link i gave you abour Keith living at nicoles enough? i can give another link if you still don't believe it.
martin II

I didn't find your statement in that link -- If you have another link that says he lived with Nicole, please post it.

[martin II]

I didn't find your statement in that link -- If you have another link that says he lived with Nicole, please post it.


weezer

i have no idea as to why you did not find it. It is in the link posted before.


Keith Zlomsowitch (indirect – mutual contacts – see Monkey Bar and Vicky Morgan): Zlomsowitch testified in the O.J. grand jury that he met Nicole Simpson in January 1992 at a Mezzalua restaurant he managed in Aspen, Colorado and had a brief affair with her in April and May of that year. In April he had a sexual encounter with her that O.J. witnessed through an exposed front window of Nicole’s Gretna Green condo. He testified that he lived in Nicole’s guesthouse as a friend. He managed both Mezzalua restaurants in California and the one in Aspen where he introduced himself to Nicole in January ’92 and where Faye met Grant Cramer and Kato Kaelin in December of ’92. Ron Goldman worked for Zlomsowitch as a waiter in the Brentwood Mezzaluna, a favorite hangout for Nicole, Kris Jenner, Cynthia Shahian and Faye. His fiancée Alexandria Datig was a stand-in for Anna Nicole Smith in The Naked Gun 33 1/3.

[martin II]

weezer
are you still saying Keith did not live at/in nicoles house?
martin II


in case you may be trying to change my post here it is.
Originally Posted by martin II
http://walraven.org/simpson/simpson.html#lists


This has been discussed many times so i am not sure why you are asking your question.
Keith Zimmorwitz(sp) is the name.
you can find comments about him living at nicoles in i believe ,Cora Fishmans testimony in the link above.

all my opinion.
martinII

[socaldiva]

*snip*

He testified that he lived in Nicole’s guesthouse as a friend.

This is different than living in her house as a boyfriend.

[fbgweezer]

This is different than living in her house as a boyfriend.

LOL -- you knew the victims and families were going to take a beating when orenthal lost this last round. martin does love to talk trash about the victims and families. imoayaaah

[socaldiva]

LOL -- you knew the victims and families were going to take a beating when orenthal lost this last round. martin does love to talk trash about the victims and families. imoayaaah

I know. He constantly bashes the victims & their families, but the minute someone posts something unfavorable about Cochran or Arnelle, he rushes to their defense & tries to say that personal remarks are out of line, unless you know them personally. :tongue:

[martin II]

LOL -- you knew the victims and families were going to take a beating when orenthal lost this last round. martin does love to talk trash about the victims and families. imoayaaah

WEEZER

Since you asked.


Keith Zlomsowitch own words.

testimony.


AS WELL?
23 A. NO, IT WAS NOT.
24 Q. WHEN WAS THAT?
25 A. I CAME TO CALIFORNIA IN APRIL OF '92.
26 Q. DID YOU BEGIN A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AT THAT
27 TIME?
28 A. YES. IT CAME TO BE ONE.

222

1 Q. WHEN DID IT COME TO BE ONE?
2 A. I ARRIVED IN CALIFORNIA PROBABLY LATE MARCH,
3 EARLY APRIL OF '92, AND BEING THAT I HAD MET HER IN ASPEN,
4 WE IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, CONTACTED EACH OTHER -- I
5 CONTACTED HER -- AND WE STARTED SEEING EACH OTHER AT THAT
6 LEVEL.
7 IT BECAME ROMANTIC APPROXIMATELY 2 WEEKS FROM
8 THAT POINT.
9 Q. DID YOU DATE HER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME?
10 A. YES, I DID.
11 Q. DID YOU EVER LIVE TOGETHER?
12 A. I DATED HER AND STAYED AT THE HOUSE FREQUENTLY,
13 AND AT A POINT IN THE FUTURE, I DID MOVE INTO THE HOUSE FOR
14 A PERIOD OF TIME. BUT NOT IN A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AT
15 THAT POINT.
16 AT THAT POINT, WE WERE VERY GOOD FRIENDS AND
17 SHE INVITED ME TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
18 Q. HOW LONG WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH HER
19 ROMANTICALLY?
20 A. FOR A PERIOD OF APPROXIMATELY 3 TO 4 WEEKS AND
21 THEN -- A MONTH.
22 Q. SO THAT WAS APRIL TO MAY?
23 A. EXACTLY.
24 Q. AFTER THAT POINT, YOU REMAINED FRIENDS?
25 A. YES.
26 Q. DID YOU GO OUT TOGETHER?
27 A. YES, WE DID.
28 Q. FREQUENTLY?

223

1 A. YES.
2 Q. AND YOU MAINTAINED THAT FRIENDSHIP UP UNTIL --
3 A. THE LAST CONTACT I HAD WITH NICOLE WAS
4 APPROXIMATELY 5 MONTHS PRIOR TO HER DEATH.

http://walraven.org/simpson/gj_pt2.html

[fbgweezer]

WEEZER

Since you asked.


Keith Zlomsowitch own words.

testimony.


AS WELL?
23 A. NO, IT WAS NOT.
24 Q. WHEN WAS THAT?
25 A. I CAME TO CALIFORNIA IN APRIL OF '92.
26 Q. DID YOU BEGIN A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AT THAT
27 TIME?
28 A. YES. IT CAME TO BE ONE.

222

1 Q. WHEN DID IT COME TO BE ONE?
2 A. I ARRIVED IN CALIFORNIA PROBABLY LATE MARCH,
3 EARLY APRIL OF '92, AND BEING THAT I HAD MET HER IN ASPEN,
4 WE IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, CONTACTED EACH OTHER -- I
5 CONTACTED HER -- AND WE STARTED SEEING EACH OTHER AT THAT
6 LEVEL.
7 IT BECAME ROMANTIC APPROXIMATELY 2 WEEKS FROM
8 THAT POINT.
9 Q. DID YOU DATE HER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME?
10 A. YES, I DID.
11 Q. DID YOU EVER LIVE TOGETHER?
12 A. I DATED HER AND STAYED AT THE HOUSE FREQUENTLY,
13 AND AT A POINT IN THE FUTURE, I DID MOVE INTO THE HOUSE FOR
14 A PERIOD OF TIME. BUT NOT IN A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AT
15 THAT POINT.
16 AT THAT POINT, WE WERE VERY GOOD FRIENDS AND
17 SHE INVITED ME TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
18 Q. HOW LONG WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH HER
19 ROMANTICALLY?
20 A. FOR A PERIOD OF APPROXIMATELY 3 TO 4 WEEKS AND
21 THEN -- A MONTH.
22 Q. SO THAT WAS APRIL TO MAY?
23 A. EXACTLY.
24 Q. AFTER THAT POINT, YOU REMAINED FRIENDS?
25 A. YES.
26 Q. DID YOU GO OUT TOGETHER?
27 A. YES, WE DID.
28 Q. FREQUENTLY?

223

1 A. YES.
2 Q. AND YOU MAINTAINED THAT FRIENDSHIP UP UNTIL --
3 A. THE LAST CONTACT I HAD WITH NICOLE WAS
4 APPROXIMATELY 5 MONTHS PRIOR TO HER DEATH.

http://walraven.org/simpson/gj_pt2.html

good job martin -- but now I have to ask: and? :confused: I don't think I understand your point.

[martin II]

good job martin -- but now I have to ask: and? :confused: I don't think I understand your point.

weezer
the above link to Keith's testimony was in response to your request below.
in case you forgot.
martin II


Quote:
Originally Posted by fbgweezer
I didn't find your statement in that link -- If you have another link that says he lived with Nicole, please post it.

[socaldiva]

weezer
the above link to Keith's testimony was in response to your request below.
in case you forgot.
martin II


Quote:
Originally Posted by fbgweezer
I didn't find your statement in that link -- If you have another link that says he lived with Nicole, please post it.

You originally brought up the topic of Keith living with Nicole. What was your original point of posting this?

The GJ testimony states that he lived there for a very short period of time & it wasn't in a romantic capacity.

[fbgweezer]

You originally brought up the topic of Keith living with Nicole. What was your original point of posting this?

The GJ testimony states that he lived there for a very short period of time & it wasn't in a romantic capacity.

other than trying to paint Nicole in a bad light, I can't figure out what the point is. I thought maybe there was something more to the testimony than Nicole giving a friend a place to live for a short time. imo

[Kate Sachel]

That might be true, and I don't really doubt it. But the difference is that nobody tried to portray Mr. Simpson as an "immacculate" person. While pity and empathy and grief led many people to completely do away with any negative trait in Mrs. Simpson (which is understandable, but simply not true.) The reason for such behavior, in my opinion, is to demonize Mr. Simpson and have his behavior appear even worse than it was.

While I appreciate your contribution it simply is not true. There have been several individuals on this board who have trashed Nicole but held up O.J's arm and proclaimed him to have been a saint. On the flip side, I have not once seen any posting that alludes to Nicole being without flaws, but rather that her flaws were not reason to abuse and murder her.

I personally do not think it's possible to take the actions of a man who has murdered two human beings and attempt to demonize his behavior to appear worse than it was, rather I think the act of murder is demonizing enough for him.

Kate

[Kate Sachel]

other than trying to paint Nicole in a bad light, I can't figure out what the point is. I thought maybe there was something more to the testimony than Nicole giving a friend a place to live for a short time. imo

Haven't learned yet? LOL, we all know that it's a way to come back to the entire drugs and hookers scenario that some love to harp endlessly on.

Kate

[socaldiva]

Way to go Fred :beer:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070808/ap_en_tv/simpson_video_game_4

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070807/wr_nm/simpson_videogame_dc_4

"As previewed on a Web site for video game promotional trailers, the team mascot is a hooded figure who makes stabbing motions with a large knife in the end zone when the Assassins score. Simpson does not have to be assigned to that team, but he was in a clip shown on the Game Trailers Web site"

[martin II]

That might be true, and I don't really doubt it. But the difference is that nobody tried to portray Mr. Simpson as an "immacculate" person. While pity and empathy and grief led many people to completely do away with any negative trait in Mrs. Simpson (which is understandable, but simply not true.) The reason for such behavior, in my opinion, is to demonize Mr. Simpson and have his behavior appear even worse than it was.

n.n.
i agree
it make sno sense to examine oj;s behavior before the murders in great detail and attempt to ignore nicoles and rons. Nothing nicole did should cause anyone to kill her. But to ignore or deny what is called her negative behavior
prior to her death makes no sense.

Some in a effort to prevent this behavior from being discussed or evaluated just demonize the messanger.
example: cora fishman gave testimony that gave info on Nicoles life style that many/some did not know prior to her testimony. Cora also had a extra relationship with a person that some like to identify as 'GROCERY BAG BOY'
rather than a young man as if being a grocery bag boy automatically carrries some negative implication.
However the fact that she did have this relationship cause some to very harshly and this is used to just deny her factual testinmony about nicle.

To post testimony about nicole is not demonizing her.
IMO

MARTIN ii

[tvdinner]

Way to go Fred :beer:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070808/ap_en_tv/simpson_video_game_4

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070807/wr_nm/simpson_videogame_dc_4

"As previewed on a Web site for video game promotional trailers, the team mascot is a hooded figure who makes stabbing motions with a large knife in the end zone when the Assassins score. Simpson does not have to be assigned to that team, but he was in a clip shown on the Game Trailers Web site"Good for Fred Goldman. Does OJ Simpson think no one is going to notice when he gets involved in these tasteless deals?

[jotun]

Does OJ Simpson think no one is going to notice when he gets involved in these tasteless deals?


All

240 NFL RETIRED PLAYERS

No one here, would have noticed if not for O.J.

O.J & 239 other retired NFL players involved in this game deal.

IMO

jotun

[jotun]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070807/wr_nm/simpson_videogame_dc_4



Martin---ALL

Seems gold-man "won" this order from Judge Rosenburg for O.J.'s name and likeness.Over-riding a order by Superior Court Judge Linda Lefkowitz from Nov.that O.J. could KEEP his name and likeness.The only way gold-man could get them was to ASK O.J. FOR THEM AND HE AGREEING, she ruled.

IMO

jotun

[socaldiva]

Judge Linda Lefkowitz:

"This case may undoubtedly be subject to perceptions of equity that appeal to a contrary outcome," Lefkowitz wrote.

"Mr. Simpson has, in fact, exploited his fame by such ghoulish activities as appearing at a 'slasher' convention which exhibited ... acts of violence not dissimilar from those which caused the death of (Goldman's) son."



http://asia.news.yahoo.com/061102/afp/061102233931people.html

[martin II]

Martin---ALL

Seems gold-man "won" this order from Judge Rosenburg for O.J.'s name and likeness.Over-riding a order by Superior Court Judge Linda Lefkowitz from Nov.that O.J. could KEEP his name and likeness.The only way gold-man could get them was to ASK O.J. FOR THEM AND HE AGREEING, she ruled.

IMO

jotun

Both are superior court judges. How does one overule another?


martin II

[fbgweezer]

All

240 NFL RETIRED PLAYERS

No one here, would have noticed if not for O.J.

O.J & 239 other retired NFL players involved in this game deal.

IMO

jotun

how many of the other 239 retired NFL players are AKA the Butcher of Brentwood?

[tvdinner]

how many of the other 239 retired NFL players are AKA the Butcher of Brentwood?umm...let me see...I think the answer is NONE.

[sassylassy]

sassy
thanks for these links. I am going over to the interview site later today.
martin II


welcome ;)

[Big Ben]

Both are superior court judges. How does one overule another?martin II

Martin,this is California, and they truly operate by their own rules.

Example. Judge Ito on 02/07/95 allowing in Ex. 35 "Posterboard Entitled Juditha Brown Phone Records".

Judge Ito "If 2 attorneys stipulate to a fact, then you (the jury) are obligated to accept the stipulation as evidence in the trial". This comes from BAJI 1.02 (Cal. Book of Approved Jury Instructions).

Therefore, if Chicken Little rushed into a back room with two negotiating attorneys, claiming to have been hit on the head due to the sky falling. If, for whatever reason, those two attorneys decided to agree to stipulate to the proclamations of Chicken Little as fact, that the sky was actually falling, the judge would be obligated by state law to instruct the jury that they must accept the mutual agreement (the stipulation) as evidence in the trial, without the jury having any independent authority whatsoever to examine the evidence for its factualness.

We were told by an LA politician that Superior Court Judges get there and stay Superior Court rather than Municipal Court judges only by cooperating with the police department and the L.A. County Prosecutor, and this certainly seems to be the case over there.

[sassylassy]

Both are superior court judges. How does one overule another?


martin II


I find it hard to keep up too, it gets very confusing.....lol

[martin II]

I find it hard to keep up too, it gets very confusing.....lol

here is a link to a court decision in favor of oj.


Ronald P. Slates, attorney for O.J. Simpson, sounded elated coming out of court today -- even offering up a little advice to David Cook -- the lawyer for the Goldmans!

Slates was excited that the judge turned down Cook's broad-based motion, requiring the Goldmans to file motions for items individually, not to make blanket requests. He then began to talk about how he would have gone after O.J.'s money if he were on the other side of things.

"I think Mr. Cook is an aggressive lawyer who sometimes does overkill," Slates told TMZ. "They should have done their homework."


http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1184769615
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
here is a link to a court decision in favor of oj.


Considering he's facing 11 felony counts, who cares if he gets to keep a few baubles for the moment? :D

[martin II]

Athena
Here is something on the subject.


Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.
http://www.parentadvocates.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=3510

[sassylassy]

Athena
Here is something on the subject.


Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.
http://www.parentadvocates.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=3510

interesting link!

[fbgweezer]

We've all heard about orenthal's football pension -- how much he gets etc. -- thought this was pretty interesting reading in explaining the plan and how it came about.

http://www.nflpa.org/pdfs/NewsAndEvents/History_of_the_NFLPA%E2%80%99s_Retired_Player_Bene fits.pdf

http://www.nflpa.org/Faqs/Faqs.aspx