Goldmans Sue

[martin II]

If I'm reading it right, this is not 'tortious' = criminal -- so I don't think in Florida anything can happen to orenthal except having to cough up the amount of the fraudulent conveyance. He would return to the situation he was in before he did his little 'sneakey doo'! With that said, I cannot imagine Mr. Goldman backing off. :D

different media reports give different accounts of what happened friday.
did the judge GIVE Mr Goldman the rights out right or did he make Mr Goldman a creditor.?
that is the quesiton for me.
anyone got the correct answer??
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

different media reports give different accounts of what happened friday.
did the judge GIVE Mr Goldman the rights out right or did he make Mr Goldman a creditor.?
that is the quesiton for me.
anyone got the correct answer??
imo
martin II

I don't know what you mean about different media reports giving "different accounts of what happened friday".

Did you miss the headline on the article in the link that Sassy provided??

Goldmans get rights to OJ Simpson's book

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070615/2/13rd1.html

[martin II]

http://www.celebritymound.com/

A federal bankruptcy judge Friday awarded Ron Goldman’s family the rights to O.J. Simpson’s canceled book, “If I Did It,” which the Goldmans want to rename “Confessions of a Double Murderer.”

top paragraph notes judge awarded rights to goldmans. if so, Fred owns rights and can now sell to his customer for himself.



Dillworth’s attorney, Brian Rich, said they will now attempt to try to sell the rights to everything pertaining to the book and the HarperCollins contract “so that there will be funds to pay creditors of LBA, including the Goldmans.”


here it is reported that Dillworth (trustee) has control and he will sell to pay
creditors including Goldman.

if goldman has full rights, how can a trustee sell his rights and give some of the money to other creditors.
:shrug:

martin II

[tazzybaby]

The first THREE links don't work & I don't consider #4 to be reputable. ;)


Hi Socal,

Be careful at the smartfellows links also.

[tazzybaby]

I am so excited to hear that the judge ruled in the Goldman's favor. And, I'm also glad to hear that the judge validated the "sham" company accusation.

:beer:

[tazzybaby]

I didnt expect to hear the book was Arnelle Simpson's idea :read:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_en_ce/simpson_lawsuit_3

Hi Sassy,

Hmmmm......that's interesting. Especially since I remember hearing (and seeing with my own eyes) OJ state that the book idea was brought to him by the publisher. I will look to see if I can find a link for that. So, I am not offering this as truth until I find it. (but I do remember him saying that...lol)

:confused:

[socaldiva]

Hi Sassy,

Hmmmm......that's interesting. Especially since I remember hearing (and seeing with my own eyes) OJ state that the book idea was brought to him by the publisher. I will look to see if I can find a link for that. So, I am not offering this as truth until I find it. (but I do remember him saying that...lol)

:confused:

Yes, I remember reading/hearing that also.....

[martin II]

I am so excited to hear that the judge ruled in the Goldman's favor. And, I'm also glad to hear that the judge validated the "sham" company accusation.

:beer:

tazzy hi

'Judge cristol did not give the rights to the book to Mr Goldman in fridays ruling.'

"Judge cristol DID rule that Goldman is a creditor." nothing more.

Judge cristols law clerk
6/18/07

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

'Judge cristol did not give the rights to the book to Mr Goldman in fridays ruling.'

"Judge cristol DID rule that Goldman is a creditor." nothing more.

Judge cristols law clerk
6/18/07


Yes, I understand. That is still in their favor.

This is good!

[martin II]

Yes, I understand. That is still in their favor.

This is good!

it is a lot less than what some media and others have posted here and it is
not the same as GAVE the rights to goldmans.

If this ruling stands and there is no appeal, it means that if the book is sold the goldmans will get some of the money made available to ALL creditors.

imo
martin II

[Kate Sachel]

it is a lot less than what some media and others have posted here and it is
not the same as GAVE the rights to goldmans.

If this ruling stands and there is no appeal, it means that if the book is sold the goldmans will get some of the money made available to ALL creditors.

imo
martin II

Fred Goldman has been named LBA's largest creditor, which means that he will recieve the majority of the monies from the book if he decides not to go after the publishing rights himself.

LBA has also officially been deemed a "sham", as most of America already suspected.

Both are glorious and large victories.

Kate

[fbgweezer]

Fred Goldman has been named LBA's largest creditor, which means that he will recieve the majority of the monies from the book if he decides not to go after the publishing rights himself.

LBA has also officially been deemed a "sham", as most of America already suspected.

Both are glorious and large victories.

Kate

here, here!

karma, karma, karma

[fbgweezer]

Yes, I understand. That is still in their favor.

This is good!

this is indeed good!

does anyone know if arnelle actually gave a deposition on Friday?

[fbgweezer]

here, here!

karma, karma, karma

that didn't come out right. . .LOL

I mean 'yeah' on the ruling that LBA was a sham company and the 'karma' was for orenthal. . . .

[martin II]

this is indeed good!

does anyone know if arnelle actually gave a deposition on Friday?

i don't, but she sure did look beautiful and in great physical shape.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

i don't, but she sure did look beautiful and in great physical shape.imo
martin II

What do her looks have to do with anything?? Looks aren't an accomplishment, nor are they a testiment to character. But, since you mentioned it....I think she's very ordinary looking.

[tazzybaby]

this is indeed good!

does anyone know if arnelle actually gave a deposition on Friday?

Hi weezer,

Looks like she did...

Arnelle Simpson testified in a deposition Wednesday that the book was her idea, Battista said at Friday's hearing.

"LBA was to baby-sit _ her words _ baby-sit the book to make sure everything would go smoothly," Battista said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/15/AR2007061502013.html

You know, this is not sitting well with me. Arnelle is now saying that the book was her idea. But, OJ said it was brought to him. Why would Arnelle suggest he do a book? This just let's me know that Arnelle will do whatever OJ needs her to do to protect him. He should never put her in this place.

[martin II]

Hi weezer,

Looks like she did...

Arnelle Simpson testified in a deposition Wednesday that the book was her idea, Battista said at Friday's hearing.

"LBA was to baby-sit _ her words _ baby-sit the book to make sure everything would go smoothly," Battista said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/15/AR2007061502013.html

You know, this is not sitting well with me. Arnelle is now saying that the book was her idea. But, OJ said it was brought to him. Why would Arnelle suggest he do a book? This just let's me know that Arnelle will do whatever OJ needs her to do to protect him. He should never put her in this place.

tazzy hi
for me the important issues now are:
1.will there be a appeal and what will that outcome be.
2. if the book is ever published, will the public show interest in hearing what oj simpson has to say by buying the book.
imo

martin II

[Kate Sachel]

tazzy hi
for me the important issues now are:
1.will there be a appeal and what will that outcome be.
2. if the book is ever published, will the public show interest in hearing what oj simpson has to say by buying the book.
imo

martin II

I think;

1.) There will be an unsuccessful appeal
2.) If Fred Goldman recieves book rights and changes the name to "Confessions of a Double Murderer" I will snap up the book in an effort to support him, though I won't actually read a word of it.

Kate

Side: Thank God for Judge Cristol. It's about time that someone did right for the Goldman family.

[socaldiva]

LOL -- I thought she looked like orenthal in drag! :eek:

LOL I guess beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder :biggrin:

[fbgweezer]

Hi weezer,

Looks like she did...

Arnelle Simpson testified in a deposition Wednesday that the book was her idea, Battista said at Friday's hearing.

"LBA was to baby-sit _ her words _ baby-sit the book to make sure everything would go smoothly," Battista said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/15/AR2007061502013.html

You know, this is not sitting well with me. Arnelle is now saying that the book was her idea. But, OJ said it was brought to him. Why would Arnelle suggest he do a book? This just let's me know that Arnelle will do whatever OJ needs her to do to protect him. He should never put her in this place.

I think there is a very odd and almost unsettling relationship between arnelle and orenthal. her statement that it was her idea is repulsive but then losts of folks believe it was arnelle that helped daddy clean up the night of the murders and we do know that she lied for him.

[fbgweezer]

I think;

1.) There will be an unsuccessful appeal
2.) If Fred Goldman recieves book rights and changes the name to "Confessions of a Double Murderer" I will snap up the book in an effort to support him, though I won't actually read a word of it.

Kate

Side: Thank God for Judge Cristol. It's about time that someone did right for the Goldman family.

If the money goes to the Goldmans, I'd buy in a heartbeat but somehow, I have a feeling that there is yet another surprise when it comes to this book.

[martin II]

LOL -- I thought she looked like orenthal in drag! :eek:

why did i expect you to jump in with that comment.thats something else that you cannot change. her good looks and great physical shapr.imo
martin ii:no:

[fbgweezer]

why did i expect you to jump in with that comment.thats something else that you cannot change. her good looks and great physical shapr.imo
martin ii:no:

you may be right -- I just can't seem to get past her helping daddy clean up after the murders and the lies. . . .my bad. :rolleyes: imo

[socaldiva]

why did i expect you to jump in with that comment.thats something else that you cannot change. her good looks and great physical shapr.imo
martin ii:no:

You brought up Arnelle's looks & yet it seems like you don't want anyone else commenting on her looks if they don't agree with you. That's funny.

[sassylassy]

LOL, ITA its crazy stuff!
(imo)

if someone actually pays 25,000 dollars for that suit....
I think I will be sick!:tongue:

As crazy as it is -The suit is going for 125,000!:eek:

http://www.tmz.com

(scroll down)

[sassylassy]

Hi Sassy,

Hmmmm......that's interesting. Especially since I remember hearing (and seeing with my own eyes) OJ state that the book idea was brought to him by the publisher. I will look to see if I can find a link for that. So, I am not offering this as truth until I find it. (but I do remember him saying that...lol)

:confused:

I do recall OJ saying his kids fully supported the book...
maybe this is what he meant!

[fbgweezer]

arnelle's deposition:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/Arnell_Simpson_Deposition_061307.pdf

[socaldiva]

arnelle's deposition:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/Arnell_Simpson_Deposition_061307.pdf

Thanks for the link! I've only read a bit of it thus far, but I had no idea that Arnelle & Jason lived in Orenthal's house in Florida :eek:

[sassylassy]

arnelle's deposition:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/Arnell_Simpson_Deposition_061307.pdf

great link!

:beer:

[martin II]

As crazy as it is -The suit is going for 125,000!:eek:

http://www.tmz.com

(scroll down)


must be some collector. people pay big money for anything that is Rare.

oj must have many more in his closet.

maby someone can find a pair of BM at the salvation army or goodwill stores and go to ebay. haha

martin II

[fbgweezer]

must be some collector. people pay big money for anything that is Rare.

oj must have many more in his closet.

maby someone can find a pair of BM at the salvation army or goodwill stores and go to ebay. haha

martin II

LOL -- he's having to hawk his signature at ghoul conventions -- do you really think anyone is going to pay that much for his used suit? LOL

[martin II]

LOL -- he's having to hawk his signature at ghoul conventions -- do you really think anyone is going to pay that much for his used suit? LOL

weezer

there are many different trade shows selling merchandise to different target markets. One type of merchandise is no better than another.

for people that consider themselves the moral police for others, fault can be found by them against a show selling sex toys to women.

ghoul conventions sell merchandise to retailers just like tee shirt companies.
your personal preferance does not mean that ghoul conventions are BAD and tee shirt conventions are good.
both are legitimate business operations in the game to make money.imo
martin II

[martin II]

LOL -- he's having to hawk his signature at ghoul conventions -- do you really think anyone is going to pay that much for his used suit? LOL

it is not what i think. the owner says he has collectors willing to pay him his price. look at the money paid for some old m jackson clothes last week.
it was in the millions.

imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer

there are many different trade shows selling merchandise to different target markets. One type of merchandise is no better than another.

for people that consider themselves the moral police for others, fault can be found by them against a show selling sex toys to women.

ghoul conventions sell merchandise to retailers just like tee shirt companies.
your personal preferance does not mean that ghoul conventions are BAD and tee shirt conventions are good.
both are legitimate business operations in the game to make money.imo
martin II

You have to admit this is quite a step down from the gigs he used to get though. :eek:

[fbgweezer]

it is not what i think. the owner says he has collectors willing to pay him his price. look at the money paid for some old m jackson clothes last week.
it was in the millions.

imo
martin II

we must have read different articles -- I understood that the owner was 'hoping' that someone would pay a bunch!

[martin II]

we must have read different articles -- I understood that the owner was 'hoping' that someone would pay a bunch!

last week or week before a article posted here said another broker said he could sell that suit for $100,000 and he was interested. you remember that right?

martin II

[fbgweezer]

last week or week before a article posted here said another broker said he could sell that suit for $100,000 and he was interested. you remember that right?

martin II

LOL -- YOU posted that:

"sassy
if oj sold some of his old clothing some time ago for cash i guess he spent the cash on new suits like a $2,000.00 ARMANI.IMO

If the suite does sell for $25,000 and then $100,000 it may prove that someone likes oj. I GUESS
MARTIN ii"

LOL

[martin II]

LOL -- YOU posted that:

"sassy
if oj sold some of his old clothing some time ago for cash i guess he spent the cash on new suits like a $2,000.00 ARMANI.IMO

If the suite does sell for $25,000 and then $100,000 it may prove that someone likes oj. I GUESS
MARTIN ii"

LOL

thanks

when I clicks on the old tmz links about this suit, it only give current articles. not the old ones.
martin II

[martin II]

David Cook, the lawyer for Fred Goldman (father of the man Simpson slaughtered), filed legal papers Monday in Santa Monica asking a judge to grab that suit.

As TMZ first reported, Bruce Formong, a sports memorabilia dealer, was trying to sell the suit, shirt and tie for $25,000. Alfred Beardsley, another sports memorabilia dealer, has contacted Goldman and said he will be taking possession of the suit. Beardsley told TMZ on Friday he believes he could turn around and sell it for $100,000.


http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/21/oj-simpsons-suit-suit/

[socaldiva]

*snip*
David Cook, the lawyer for Fred Goldman (father of the man Simpson slaughtered),

You are finally admitting that Simpson is the killer??? :eek: :beer:

[tvdinner]

weezer

there are many different trade shows selling merchandise to different target markets. One type of merchandise is no better than another.

for people that consider themselves the moral police for others, fault can be found by them against a show selling sex toys to women.

ghoul conventions sell merchandise to retailers just like tee shirt companies.
your personal preferance does not mean that ghoul conventions are BAD and tee shirt conventions are good.
both are legitimate business operations in the game to make money.imo
martin II
Hi martin, don't you think it's in extemely poor taste for Simpson (whether guilty or innocent) to sign autographs at slasher conventions when the mother of his children and her friend were slashed to death?

[martin II]

Hi martin, don't you think it's in extemely poor taste for Simpson (whether guilty or innocent) to sign autographs at slasher conventions when the mother of his children and her friend were slashed to death?

read my post that you responded to.

martin II

[sassylassy]

OJ did it Manuscript leaked online:

Tmz:

http://www.tmz.com

[sassylassy]

thanks

when I clicks on the old tmz links about this suit, it only give current articles. not the old ones.
martin II

Hi Martin

if you click on Tmz you can do a search within, there you will find all OJS related stories:

http://www.tmz.com/search/?q=oj+simpson

S.

[martin II]

Hi Martin

if you click on Tmz you can do a search within, there you will find all OJS related stories:

http://www.tmz.com/search/?q=oj+simpson

S.

sassy hi
thanks for that tip

martin II

[martin II]

OJ did it Manuscript leaked online:

Tmz:

http://www.tmz.com

sassy hi

This book may already be being published but not in the traditional sense.
Wonder if this is the version in the HC book or is it the TMZ version.
Guess Mr. Goldman will be calling his layers to find out who this is that is trying make the real book he is after worthless.imo

martin II

[jotun]

sassy hi

This book may already be being published but not in the traditional sense.
Wonder if this is the version in the HC book or is it the TMZ version.
Guess Mr. Goldman will be calling his layers to find out who this is that is trying make the real book he is after worthless.imo

martin II
ALL:
martin
Fred was just live on Anderson Cooper 360.[will repeat]
Polak said they are going back to bankruptcy court tomorrow to stop tmz.

LMAO-LMAO-LMAO!!!!!

jotun

[jotun]

ALL:
martin
Fred was just live on Anderson Cooper 360.[will repeat]
Polak said they are going back to bankruptcy court tomorrow to stop tmz.

LMAO-LMAO-LMAO!!!!!

jotun


WORTHLESS ???
ALL
Forgot to add that is on cnn.

STILL LMAO!!!

jotun

[martin II]

ALL:
martin
Fred was just live on Anderson Cooper 360.[will repeat]
Polak said they are going back to bankruptcy court tomorrow to stop tmz.

LMAO-LMAO-LMAO!!!!!

jotun

jotun

Fred does not own the rights, what will Polak say?
looking for natonal enquirer today, fox, etc.
I am not sure but the flood gates may have opened and the book may get wet. imo:D

martin II

[tvdinner]

read my post that you responded to.

martin II
martin, whether ghoul conventions are bad or good isn't relevant to this discussion. OJS signs autographs at slasher conventions because of his involvement in murders committed by that means. I don't have anything against people that hold conventions glorifying gore but I do have a problem with Simpson's involvement in them.

Regarding your comment about a show selling sex toys to women: if somone's loved one had been killed with a sex toy I'd find it in extremely poor taste for them to attend such an event or to sign autographs there.

This has nothing to do with morality policing...it has to do with common decency and respect for your children.

[martin II]

martin, whether ghoul conventions are bad or good isn't relevant to this discussion. OJS signs autographs at slasher conventions because of his involvement in murders committed by that means. I don't have anything against people that hold conventions glorifying gore but I do have a problem with Simpson's involvement in them.

Regarding your comment about a show selling sex toys to women: if somone's loved one had been killed with a sex toy I'd find it in extremely poor taste for them to attend such an event or to sign autographs there.

This has nothing to do with morality policing...it has to do with common decency and respect for your children.

tv

No one can speak about what is right or wrong for someone else as we do not stand in their shoes.
considering that oj has been blackballed from most other type conventions(NFL SHOWS ETC) it may be that he took what was available to him.
It may be that since he was found NOT GUILTY in a criminal trial he has no concern what some think of him as far as the murders is concerned.

Since you say this is about common decency and respoect i believe it is about others morality standards.

There are many 'SLASHER" "HORROW MOVIES' produced and sold in this country and they have wide followings. Friday 13 th etc.

I don't think that oj will just sit down and make no attempts to earn money for himself and his family because some believe him to be guilty of murder when he was found not guilty in a criminal trial.

Actually i believe that some people would find fault if oj had been signing autographs in the lobby(with others) at the recent NBA finals.

imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

Actually i believe that some people would find fault if oj had been signing autographs in the lobby(with others) at the recent NBA finals.

oh dear :eek: orenthal -- sharp object :eek: not a good idea. imo

[socaldiva]

*snip*
It may be that since he was found NOT GUILTY in a criminal trial he has no concern what some think of him as far as the murders is concerned.


According to Arnelle he does care what the public thinks. According to her depo she said that before he signed up to do the book, he was thinking about how it would look, or words to that effect. ;)

[socaldiva]

martin, whether ghoul conventions are bad or good isn't relevant to this discussion. OJS signs autographs at slasher conventions because of his involvement in murders committed by that means. I don't have anything against people that hold conventions glorifying gore but I do have a problem with Simpson's involvement in them.

Regarding your comment about a show selling sex toys to women: if somone's loved one had been killed with a sex toy I'd find it in extremely poor taste for them to attend such an event or to sign autographs there.

This has nothing to do with morality policing...it has to do with common decency and respect for your children.


:beer: :beer: :beer:

[martin II]

WORTHLESS ???
ALL
Forgot to add that is on cnn.

STILL LMAO!!!

jotun

jotun
On reflection i am not sure that Tmz publication will make the book worthless, but if this continues i do believe it would hurt the books value.
martin II

[martin II]

tmz goldman in court

http://www.tmz.com/

[sassylassy]

I caught Fred Goldman on CNN last nite, he was saying TMZ posted a link to download the book,
I didnt see that link anywhere on TMZ ?

(if anyone has ...plez feel free to Pm it to me!)

this is the most I have read from the book:


I'm going to tell you a story you've never heard before, because no one knows this story the way I know it. It takes place on the night June 12, 1994, and it concerns the murder of my ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her young friend, Ronald Goldman. I want you to forget everything U think you know about that night because I know the facts better than anyone. I know the players. I've seen the evidence. I've heard the theories. And, of course, I've read all the stories: That I did it. That I did it but I don't know I did it. That I can no longer tell fact from fiction. That I wake up in the middle of the night, consumed by guilt, screaming.

I looked over at Goldman, and I was fuming. I guess he thought I was going to hit him, because he got into his little karate stance. "What the **** is that?" I said. "You think you can take me with your karate ****" He started circling me, bobbing and weaving, and if I hadn't been so *******angry I would have laughed in his face. "O.J., come on!" It was Charlie again, pleading. Nicole moaned, regaining consciousness. She stirred on the ground and opened her eyes and looked at me, but it didn't seem like anything was registering. Charlie walked over and planted himself in front of me blocking my view. "We are ******done here, man-let's go!"

I noticed the knife in Charlie's hand, and in one deft move I removed my right glove and snatched it up. "We're not going anywhere," I said, turning to face Goldman. Goldman was still circling me, bobbing and weaving, but I didn't feel like laughing anymore. "You think you're tough, mother**?" I said. I could hear Charlie just behind me, saying something, urging me to get the ****out of there, and at one point he even reached for me and tried to drag me away, but I shook him off, hard, and moved toward Goldman. "Okay, mother****!" I said. "Show me how tough you are!"

Then something went horribly wrong, and I know what happened, but I can't tell you exactly how. I was still standing in Nicole's courtyard, of course, but for a few moments I couldn't remember how I'd gotten there, when I'd arrived, or even why I was there. Then it came back to me, very slowly: The recital-with little Sydney up on stage, dancing her little heart out; me, chipping balls into my neighbor's yard; Paula, angry, not answering her phone; Charlie, stopping by the house to tell me some more ugly *****about Nicole's behavior. Then what? The short, quick drive from Rockingham to the Bundy condo. And now? Now I was standing in Nicole's courtyard, in the dark, listening to the loud, rhythmic, accelerated beating of my own heart. I put my left hand to my heart and my shirt felt strangely wet. I looked down at myself. For several moments, I couldn't get my mind around what I was seeing. The whole front of me was covered in blood, but it didn't compute. Is this really blood? I wondered. And whose blood is it? Is it mine? Am I hurt?


http://www.hollywoodrag.com/index.php?/P14/

[martin II]

the trustees lawyer seems to think there is at least two different versions of the outline of the book.
he also thinks the book is damaged or destroyed.

they are concered that viewers have downloaded the tmz story and saved it.
they don't know how many viewers tmz has.
http://www.tmz.com/

[fbgweezer]

IThe whole front of me was covered in blood, but it didn't compute. Is this really blood? I wondered. And whose blood is it? Is it mine? Am I hurt?

leave it to orenthal to be concerned about himself. he'd just butchered two human beings and he was concerned that HE was hurt...........geez louise.

[sassylassy]

"The book was stopped and the only people who made this book come back are the Goldmans and TMZ also profited," Simpson said in a telephone interview. "If the book is out on the Internet, I wish they would tell me where it is."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2007-06-20-simpson-manuscript_N.htm?csp=34

ummm I'm wondering who leaked the book?

[sassylassy]

leave it to orenthal to be concerned about himself. he'd just butchered two human beings and he was concerned that HE was hurt...........geez louise.

that also could have been in the words of the ghost writer :shrug:

(didnt the ghost writer pen the chapter of the murders?)

[martin II]

"The book was stopped and the only people who made this book come back are the Goldmans and TMZ also profited," Simpson said in a telephone interview. "If the book is out on the Internet, I wish they would tell me where it is."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2007-06-20-simpson-manuscript_N.htm?csp=34

ummm I'm wondering who leaked the book?

HC EMPLOYEES
REGAB BOOKS EMPLOYEES
P Hilton after she had read it in jail.
SNOOOPY OR B
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

leave it to orenthal to be concerned about himself. he'd just butchered two human beings and he was concerned that HE was hurt...........geez louise.

This is a comedy. people loosen up.

martin II

[martin II]

that also could have been in the words of the ghost writer :shrug:

(didnt the ghost writer pen the chapter of the murders?)


well since people have said oj could not spell HI without 6 mistakes. i would think someone else wrote the whole book.

martin II

[martin II]

leave it to orenthal to be concerned about himself. he'd just butchered two human beings and he was concerned that HE was hurt...........geez louise.

if the book is accurate then PARK lied about what the AA had on when he walked into the door . I THINK.
One report had oj stripping of all his clothes at bundy and put them into a bundle and then drove to rockingham. the linik to this has been deleted from the site.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

anyone know how many visitors TMZ has on a normal day?

If tmz has the book, wonder who else has it.

martin II

[socaldiva]

anyone know how many visitors TMZ has on a normal day?

If tmz has the book, wonder who else has it.

martin II

TMZ said that the excerpts from the book were on several sites days prior to TMZ putting them up.

[socaldiva]

well since people have said oj could not spell HI without 6 mistakes. i would think someone else wrote the whole book.

martin II

No, book publishers have personnel that edit the books for spelling.

[martin II]

tazzy hi

If you run across a LINK to the on line book ,please pm it to me.
thanks
martin II

[martin II]

if the book is accurate then PARK lied about what the AA had on when he walked into the door . I THINK.
One report had oj stripping of all his clothes at bundy and put them into a bundle and then drove to rockingham. the linik to this has been deleted from the site.
imo
martin II

sassy hi
tv sound bite reports said there are some sites offering downloads of the complete book manscript for free under public domain theory. if true then this book may have already been seriously damaged as far as value that the trustee thought it would have at a sale.

If the manuscript was already available free on line, some one could have downloaded it, printed it out and just mailed it to TMZ in regular mail free of charge with no return address.

only my opinion.
martin II

imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

This is a comedy. people loosen up.

martin II

COMEDY???!!! I don't think there's nothing funny about this at all. I'm disappointed that you would say such a thing!

:mad:

[Kate Sachel]

if the book is accurate then PARK lied about what the AA had on when he walked into the door . I THINK.
One report had oj stripping of all his clothes at bundy and put them into a bundle and then drove to rockingham. the linik to this has been deleted from the site.
imo
martin II

If the book is accurate then OJ Simpson murdered Nicole and Ron.

Kate

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

If you run across a LINK to the on line book ,please pm it to me.
thanks
martin II


I have looked and looked. I'm sure it is still out there. But, people may be waiting to see what happens with TMZ and the court.

:shrug:

[Kate Sachel]

Yes, the complete manuscript was made available online, and I do have a copy of it. My coworker printed it out for me, but I've not been able to bring myself to look at any of it. It is 118 pages long.

Kate

[tvdinner]

If the book is accurate then OJ Simpson murdered Nicole and Ron.

Kate
:beer: :beer: :beer:

[martin II]

I have looked and looked. I'm sure it is still out there. But, people may be waiting to see what happens with TMZ and the court.

:shrug:

tazzy hi
someone is on ebay offering the manuscript. if i did it.

if you get the link to a source you can pm me as i would like to read it.i will do the same if you are interested.
martin II

[martin II]

COMEDY???!!! I don't think there's nothing funny about this at all. I'm disappointed that you would say such a thing!

:mad:

tazzy hi
the subject is serious. but for someone to write a chapter on the murders giving some kind of OH-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED at the MOMENT one is waiting for the exact details of how they were murdered, means that the writer is playing everyone and just making some kind of fun of the issue.. imo
martin II

[martin II]

I have looked and looked. I'm sure it is still out there. But, people may be waiting to see what happens with TMZ and the court.

:shrug:

tazzy hi
i doubt that what happens to TMZ will effect these internet companies.
they are located all over the world. what can a Florida judge do with a Russian company in russia?
MARTIN ii

[Martyrdom]

Yes, the complete manuscript was made available online, and I do have a copy of it. My coworker printed it out for me, but I've not been able to bring myself to look at any of it. It is 118 pages long.

Kate

You makin' it available at all? If I sent ya my email address then you think you might be willin' to send it on over to me?

[martin II]

ALL

look at ebay

martin II

[Martyrdom]

ALL

look at ebay

martin II

You be wantin' me to pay for somethin' I can get for free from one of our members? :lol:

[martin II]

You be wantin' me to pay for somethin' I can get for free from one of our members? :lol:

Please note, I have not asked you to pay for anything and i have not seen any poster offering to give you or anyone else anything for free.


MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

joke may be on orenthal --

1. orenthal and arnelle don't get the money
2. the world reads orenthals confession
3. the judgment is not satisfied which means Fred Goldman has every right to continue to go after orenthal's assets.

making lemonade out of lemons!

[Martyrdom]

Please note, I have not asked you to pay for anything and i have not seen any poster offering to give you or anyone else anything for free.


MARTIN ii

Yeah but you can't be readin' the behind the scenes PM's now can ya? So you don't really know who's gettin' what for free. :lol:

[Martyrdom]

joke may be on orenthal --

1. orenthal and arnelle don't get the money
2. the world reads orenthals confession
3. the judgment is not satisfied which means Fred Goldman has every right to continue to go after orenthal's assets.

making lemonade out of lemons!

:beer: :beer: :beer:

[martin II]

joke may be on orenthal --

1. orenthal and arnelle don't get the money
2. the world reads orenthals confession
3. the judgment is not satisfied which means Fred Goldman has every right to continue to go after orenthal's assets.

making lemonade out of lemons!


i don't think anyone knows how this will end up YET.

so far Oj has received a large amount of money. it has been reported.
OJ and Fred has more legal bills.
LBA is in chapter 7 liquidation with not many other assets.
tmz and other sites have greatly decreased or killed any interest on the part of bidders(maby) to purchase the rights.
For the second time Mr Goldman has been very close to the money and has received ZERO. Maby.

The trustee is pissed and will try to make someone pay. i think the trustee gets a commission on sales. Not sure about that. But he does seem to be pissed. He will try to make Time warner/AOL or someone pay.imo
martinII

[Kate Sachel]

i don't think anyone knows how this will end up YET.

so far Oj has received a large amount of money. it has been reported.
OJ and Fred has more legal bills.
LBA is in chapter 7 liquidation with not many other assets.
tmz and other sites have greatly decreased or killed any interest on the part of bidders(maby) to purchase the rights.
For the second time Mr Goldman has been very close to the money and has received ZERO. Maby.

The trustee is pissed and will try to make someone pay. i think the trustee gets a commission on sales. Not sure about that. But he does seem to be pissed. He will try to make Time warner/AOL or someone pay.imo
martinII

From what I understand, those people who support the Goldman Family are still plainning on purchasing the book in support of him if the book is published. It's a matter of principal for many people at this stage in the game. Even though I have my free copy, I will purchase ten more actual copies if I am assured that the money goes to the family of Ron.

And no, the Trustee does not get a "commission on the sales".

Kate

[martin II]

Yeah but you can't be readin' the behind the scenes PM's now can ya? So you don't really know who's gettin' what for free. :lol:



you are correct. i do hope you get a free copy. but remember i have not asksed to to buy anything.
$4.95 may be too much.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

maby the judge will make time warner/AOL (TMZ) pay $10,000,000 and he can then give that to Fred.IMO
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

maby the judge will make time warner/AOL (TMZ) pay $10,000,000 and he can then give that to Fred.IMO
MARTIN ii

I think it would be interesting to see who actually leaked the book -- I'd bet orenthal or one of his minions......imo. . .maybe even his alledged co-conspirator, arnelle. From reading her deposition, she seemed to be very anxious in getting her money out of the deal.

[fbgweezer]

maby the judge will make time warner/AOL (TMZ) pay $10,000,000 and he can then give that to Fred.IMO
MARTIN ii

nah -- who wants someone besides orenthal to pay? Not me and I doubt very seriously Mr. Goldman does. Unless, of course, other companies thinking they could profit from dealings with orenthal would be shown that orenthal's karma is bad, bad, bad.

[fbgweezer]

you are correct. i do hope you get a free copy. but remember i have not asksed to to buy anything.
$4.95 may be too much.
imo
martin II

I think it's against the rules to hawk sales for another site.

[martin II]

tazzy hi
i expect to have it in a hour.
martin iI

[martin II]

I think it's against the rules to hawk sales for another site.

i am not hawking sale for anyone.

that is for sure.

martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

i got it.
martin II

[martin II]

nah -- who wants someone besides orenthal to pay? Not me and I doubt very seriously Mr. Goldman does. Unless, of course, other companies thinking they could profit from dealings with orenthal would be shown that orenthal's karma is bad, bad, bad.

If the court made times warner pay and the money is offered to mr Goldman
i doubt he would reject it. But one never knows. i think tmz is not cooperating with oj or anyone else other than time warner and AOL. Unless you have some info that proves otherwise.imo

right now it is the internet sites that are making the money.imo
martin II

[martin II]

nah -- who wants someone besides orenthal to pay? Not me and I doubt very seriously Mr. Goldman does. Unless, of course, other companies thinking they could profit from dealings with orenthal would be shown that orenthal's karma is bad, bad, bad.

for every $1.00 mr goldman receives from the banrkuptcy court that is $1.00 less oj owes him
imo
martin II

[martin II]

I think it would be interesting to see who actually leaked the book -- I'd bet orenthal or one of his minions......imo. . .maybe even his alledged co-conspirator, arnelle. From reading her deposition, she seemed to be very anxious in getting her money out of the deal.

there are many established internet sites that speciliaze in getting copies (down low)from some publishing houses for the purpose of doing exactly what has been done with this book.imo

considering how mr Goldman caused HC IF ID DID IT BOOK project to crash and burn they could be considered a prime suspect. HC was denied a lot of profit by Mr Goldmans actions, so was Regan books.imo
martin II

[tvdinner]

tv

No one can speak about what is right or wrong for someone else as we do not stand in their shoes.
considering that oj has been blackballed from most other type conventions(NFL SHOWS ETC) it may be that he took what was available to him.
It may be that since he was found NOT GUILTY in a criminal trial he has no concern what some think of him as far as the murders is concerned.

Since you say this is about common decency and respoect i believe it is about others morality standards.

There are many 'SLASHER" "HORROW MOVIES' produced and sold in this country and they have wide followings. Friday 13 th etc.

I don't think that oj will just sit down and make no attempts to earn money for himself and his family because some believe him to be guilty of murder when he was found not guilty in a criminal trial.

Actually i believe that some people would find fault if oj had been signing autographs in the lobby(with others) at the recent NBA finals.

imo
martin II
martin, I think you know that I'm not condemning the conventions themselves or horror movies. I like a good horror movie myself once in a while. My problem is with OJS signing autographs at an event that glorifies murder by a sharp instrument after his ex-wife and the mother of two of his children was brutally slain in this manner.

I would have no problem with him signing autographs at the NBA finals. I personally wouldn't want his autograph but I acknowledge he was an exceptionally talented athlete when he played football and there are people that would want his autograph for that reason. I don't think his autograph was much in demand before the murders, though.

If he makes money while attending one of these sporting events and Fred Goldman snatches it away from him...oh well. You make him sound like a poor guy scraping by trying to take care of his family. Most people could live comfortably on even a fraction of his football pension.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

i got it.
martin II


I have been so busy. I just got a chance to get back on. Thanks Martin, but I've already read it.

:read:

[tazzybaby]

I think it would be interesting to see who actually leaked the book -- I'd bet orenthal or one of his minions......imo. . .maybe even his alledged co-conspirator, arnelle. From reading her deposition, she seemed to be very anxious in getting her money out of the deal.

OMG! I know! I want them to find out which one actually did it. IMO I think it was probably one of the lawyers. They had just lost in court and Arnelle was even forced to give a deposition. What was left to do? Make it worthless. Kind of the ole....If I can't have you no one will.

[socaldiva]

tazzy hi
the subject is serious. but for someone to write a chapter on the murders giving some kind of OH-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED at the MOMENT one is waiting for the exact details of how they were murdered, means that the writer is playing everyone and just making some kind of fun of the issue.. imo
martin II

Yep, that's Orenthal all right. Trying to play everyone & just making fun of murder. What a guy. :rolleyes:

[socaldiva]

maby the judge will make time warner/AOL (TMZ) pay $10,000,000 and he can then give that to Fred.IMO
MARTIN ii

Maby he will. Then Fred Goldman can step up his pursuit of Orenthal ;)

[fbgweezer]

....If I can't have you no one will.

that's why I wondered if it was orenthal. . .:(

[martin II]

martin, I think you know that I'm not condemning the conventions themselves or horror movies. I like a good horror movie myself once in a while. My problem is with OJS signing autographs at an event that glorifies murder by a sharp instrument after his ex-wife and the mother of two of his children was brutally slain in this manner.

I would have no problem with him signing autographs at the NBA finals. I personally wouldn't want his autograph but I acknowledge he was an exceptionally talented athlete when he played football and there are people that would want his autograph for that reason. I don't think his autograph was much in demand before the murders, though.

If he makes money while attending one of these sporting events and Fred Goldman snatches it away from him...oh well. You make him sound like a poor guy scraping by trying to take care of his family. Most people could live comfortably on even a fraction of his football pension.

tv
there may be a couple of things going on here.

One is your right to dissagree with the criminal trial veridct and hate oj s guts because of that you THINK he did.

The other is you attempting to say what he can/should and cannot/should not be doing. i think it is here that you may attempting to put your moral behavior type standards on him and i don't believe that works well.
OJ would tell you that he has no concern about how you match slacher and nicoles death as he did not kill her.imo
He has consistantly said he did not kill her imo.

martin II

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
He has consistantly said he did not kill her imo.



Orenthal is a proven liar & the prisons all full of prisoners who "consistantly" say they didn't do it. It means nothing.

[martin II]

martin, I think you know that I'm not condemning the conventions themselves or horror movies. I like a good horror movie myself once in a while. My problem is with OJS signing autographs at an event that glorifies murder by a sharp instrument after his ex-wife and the mother of two of his children was brutally slain in this manner.

I would have no problem with him signing autographs at the NBA finals. I personally wouldn't want his autograph but I acknowledge he was an exceptionally talented athlete when he played football and there are people that would want his autograph for that reason. I don't think his autograph was much in demand before the murders, though.

If he makes money while attending one of these sporting events and Fred Goldman snatches it away from him...oh well. You make him sound like a poor guy scraping by trying to take care of his family. Most people could live comfortably on even a fraction of his football pension.

I guess what most peole can live on depends on how most people like to live.
martin II

[socaldiva]

that's why I wondered if it was orenthal. . .:(

I'd bet it was him too. No one else would get the same satisfaction from thwarting Fred's efforts. JMO

[socaldiva]

*snip*
i think it is here that you may attempting to put your moral behavior type standards on him and i don't believe that works well.


Is there anyone that supports murder, except of course the actual killer? :shrug:

[martin II]

I think the better deal would have been if Fred and OJ had made a deal when the book first came out. This way both would have come away with something. If the book is in fact worthless now both lost. imo

However OJ did collect about $800,000.00.

martin II

[socaldiva]

I think the better deal would have been if Fred and OJ had made a deal when the book first came out. This way both would have come away with something. If the book is in fact worthless now both lost. imo

martin II

Are you kidding? Orenthal is far too greedy. IMO

[fbgweezer]

I think the better deal would have been if Fred and OJ had made a deal when the book first came out. This way both would have come away with something. If the book is in fact worthless now both lost. imo

However OJ did collect about $800,000.00.

martin II

I had to laugh out loud when I read arnelle's deposition and she talked about how orenthal insisted that he got his money up front -- so much for his children's legacy......what a slime. imo

[martin II]

I had to laugh out loud when I read arnelle's deposition and she talked about how orenthal insisted that he got his money up front -- so much for his children's legacy......what a slime. imo

weezer
that was a smart move on oj's part. Fred didn't get a penny.
martinii

[martin II]

Arnell was great and still quite attractive.

It now seems that Mr Goldmans lawyers did not think out all the possibilities
when they rushed to the banrkuptcy judge and crashed the filing.imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer
that was a smart move on oj's part. Fred didn't get a penny.
martinii

and neither did his children. . . :(

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Arnell was great and still quite attractive.


WTH cares what Arnell looks like? What does that have to do with anything?:confused: :shrug:

[martin II]

and neither did his children. . . :(

fred was trying to get the childrens money LBA until TMZ gave it all away to the world. imo

Fred had everything in his favor last Friday and had reason to be smiling.
Boy what a differance a few days make.

OJ can now write a new book.

martin II

[socaldiva]

I had to laugh out loud when I read arnelle's deposition and she talked about how orenthal insisted that he got his money up front -- so much for his children's legacy......what a slime. imo

I agree, he is a slime :beer: :beer:

[socaldiva]

*snip*
fred was trying to get the childrens money LBA until TMZ gave it all away to the world. imo



Orenthal took the money up front for himself & you really think he's trying to get the balance "for the children"? That's funny.

I don't know who you think will want to publish another book by Orenthal, considering the circumstances that transpired with the "if I did it" book :confused:

[martin II]

and neither did his children. . . :(

considering how the courts had been giving Mr Goldman assistance, tmz and the other internet companies appear so far to have leveled the playing field.

You still talking about ARNELL SIMPSON. why?

martin II

[socaldiva]

considering how the courts had been giving Mr Goldman assistance, tmz and the other internet companies appear so far to have leveled the playing field.

You still talking about ARNELL SIMPSON. why?

martin II

I guess you missed the tmz rep (and many others including Jeffrey Toobin) that bashed Orenthal relative to the details of what he wrote in the book. TMZ & the other internet sites are not attempting to level any playing field, they are simply doing their jobs & being competitive with one another. IMO

I only read FBG writing about Arnelle relative to the recent depo. You seem to mostly be concerned with how she looks. Which do you think is more germain to the conversation here?

[fbgweezer]

fred was trying to get the childrens money LBA until TMZ gave it all away to the world. imo

Fred had everything in his favor last Friday and had reason to be smiling.
Boy what a differance a few days make.

OJ can now write a new book.

martin II

You still don't get it do you? What makes you think the book wouldn't still sell if it's published by Mr. Goldman? and what makes you think Mr. Goldman isn't still smiling? The joke is on arnelle -- she got squat. And the joke may yet be on orenthal -- as I read the Florida Homestead Act, he may still have to cough up the money he tried to hide. imo

[tvdinner]

tv
there may be a couple of things going on here.

One is your right to dissagree with the criminal trial veridct and hate oj s guts because of that you THINK he did.

The other is you attempting to say what he can/should and cannot/should not be doing. i think it is here that you may attempting to put your moral behavior type standards on him and i don't believe that works well.
OJ would tell you that he has no concern about how you match slacher and nicoles death as he did not kill her.imo
He has consistantly said he did not kill her imo.

martin II

martin IImartin, my feelings on the tackiness of OJS making appearances at these events has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. It has to do with trivializing and mocking the death of the mother of his children. By the way, I don't hate him. I hate what I'm convinced he did to two human beings and the cocky smugness he's displayed since then.

You're right; I can't impose my moral standards and the moral standards of most of America on him. If that were so, Ron and Nicole would be alive and enjoying life right now instead of lying in their graves for the last 13 years. It seems that Simpson has never had to play by societie's rules. Nicole predicted he would kill her and get away with it and he did.

[socaldiva]

[QUOTE=tvdinner;8881335*snip*
You're right; I can't impose my moral standards and the moral standards of most of America on him. If that were so, Ron and Nicole would be alive and enjoying life right now instead of lying in their graves for the last 13 years. It seems that Simpson has never had to play by societie's rules. Nicole predicted he would kill her and get away with it and he did.[/QUOTE]

:beer: :beer:

[sassylassy]

For anyone interested there is another link on TMZ:

http://www.tmz.com

its a video interview w OJS talking about the leaked book....
(I think he may have been into the sauce)
;)

[martin II]

martin, my feelings on the tackiness of OJS making appearances at these events has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. It has to do with trivializing and mocking the death of the mother of his children. By the way, I don't hate him. I hate what I'm convinced he did to two human beings and the cocky smugness he's displayed since then.

You're right; I can't impose my moral standards and the moral standards of most of America on him. If that were so, Ron and Nicole would be alive and enjoying life right now instead of lying in their graves for the last 13 years. It seems that Simpson has never had to play by societie's rules. Nicole predicted he would kill her and get away with it and he did.

"trivializing and mocking" may be how you see his actions. He may not see it that way. For him it may be going to work to make money.

oj played by the rules by going to criminal court. He was found Not guilty
then he was tried again and found liable and ordered to pay 33 mill.
every time he triel to make money, someone is blocking him or complaining about what he is doing.
just how does he pay of 33 milliom if he is prevented from working in his field of expertise?

imo
martin II

[martin II]

You still don't get it do you? What makes you think the book wouldn't still sell if it's published by Mr. Goldman? and what makes you think Mr. Goldman isn't still smiling? The joke is on arnelle -- she got squat. And the joke may yet be on orenthal -- as I read the Florida Homestead Act, he may still have to cough up the money he tried to hide. imo

it is the trustee that stated that the book has been damaged or destroyed as a result of TMZ S ACTIONS.
Tell us what you read in the florida homestead act.imo
martin II

[martin II]

For anyone interested there is another link on TMZ:

http://www.tmz.com

its a video interview w OJS talking about the leaked book....
(I think he may have been into the sauce)
;)

sassy
i saw that.
sauce.

martin II

[tazzybaby]

You know what I want to know? I want to know WHY Arnelle would be over anything that had to do with Sydney and Justins mother??? She has a mother. If she did bring the book idea to OJ, why? Why wouldn't she take it to her brother and sisters first? She said that at first they didn't want to do it. Huh? That's when it should have stopped. Why should she or Jason profit from their mother's murder???? I would have had more respect for her and her sick idea (if it really was) had she put the money into a trust for Sydney and Justin and she collect a "fee".

:flamemad:

[Kate Sachel]

I guess you missed the tmz rep (and many others including Jeffrey Toobin) that bashed Orenthal relative to the details of what he wrote in the book. TMZ & the other internet sites are not attempting to level any playing field, they are simply doing their jobs & being competitive with one another. IMO

I only read FBG writing about Arnelle relative to the recent depo. You seem to mostly be concerned with how she looks. Which do you think is more germain to the conversation here?

Wonderful points socal.

Kate

[fbgweezer]

You know what I want to know? I want to know WHY Arnelle would be over anything that had to do with Sydney and Justins mother??? She has a mother. If she did bring the book idea to OJ, why? Why wouldn't she take it to her brother and sisters first? She said that at first they didn't want to do it. Huh? That's when it should have stopped. Why should she or Jason profit from their mother's murder???? I would have had more respect for her and her sick idea (if it really was) had she put the money into a trust for Sydney and Justin and she collect a "fee".

:flamemad:

I've said it before -- how she must have hated Nicole. But then I am reminded that many people believe she helped daddy with the clean up and we know she lied.

I also paused when she said that. I think that acorn didn't fall far from the tree.

I found the statements that Justin and Sydney 'had their own money' interesting. Do you think that means orenthal hasn't been trying to make money just to support the 'children'?

Did you notice her continual reference to 'me' rather than LBA or including her sister and brothers?

[martin II]

You know what I want to know? I want to know WHY Arnelle would be over anything that had to do with Sydney and Justins mother??? She has a mother. If she did bring the book idea to OJ, why? Why wouldn't she take it to her brother and sisters first? She said that at first they didn't want to do it. Huh? That's when it should have stopped. Why should she or Jason profit from their mother's murder???? I would have had more respect for her and her sick idea (if it really was) had she put the money into a trust for Sydney and Justin and she collect a "fee".

:flamemad:

tazzy hi

It seems that nicole two children and ojs two children see themselves as one family unit. From the pictures i have seen of them all togeather they seem to be loving towards each other. Their base home, when not in school is in Florida, i think at ojs house. He is responsible for the living of the younger ones. I guess jason and Arnell make some of their own money.
I believe Arnell looked at all of them as SIMPSONS.imo
She set the company up so that all four would share equally in any book commissions untill Mr Goldman blocked LBA, the childrens company, in the court as he wanted all the money for himself.imo
martin II

martinn

[tazzybaby]

I've said it before -- how she must have hated Nicole. But then I am reminded that many people believe she helped daddy with the clean up and we know she lied.

I also paused when she said that. I think that acorn didn't fall far from the tree.

I found the statements that Justin and Sydney 'had their own money' interesting. Do you think that means orenthal hasn't been trying to make money just to support the 'children'?

Did you notice her continual reference to 'me' rather than LBA or including her sister and brothers?

I do agree that she must have hated Nicole. I mean, she is the reason why their father wasn't with their mother anymore. It does seem that she is a lot like her father. I already knew that she would lie for him (as is evidenced in her testimony at trial) and I guess I should have expected as much from her. But, it is so sad. I'm guessing that Sydney and Justin's "own money" is from their inheritance and the trust created after their mother's death (what little is in there). It seems like that upsets Arnelle a little or maybe she just wants a piece of the pie?? IMO they deserve to have that money and any other money associated with their mother's death because they are the ones who have had to live without their mother there. The kids missed out on so much mother/child time. I wonder what age they will be when they get to take control of their own money/life?? IMO If OJ would have put ALL the money straight into the kids (Sydney and Justin's) trust account then nothing would have come out of this.

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

It seems that nicole two children and ojs two children see themselves as one family unit. From the pictures i have seen of them all togeather they seem to be loving towards each other. Their base home, when not in school is in Florida, i think at ojs house. He is responsible for the living of the younger ones. I guess jason and Arnell make some of their own money.
I believe Arnell looked at all of them as SIMPSONS.imo
She set the company up so that all four would share equally in any book commissions untill Mr Goldman blocked LBA, the childrens company, in the court as he wanted all the money for himself.imo
martin II

martinn

But, Arnelle and Jason still have a mother. Sydney and Justin don't. They suffered more and differently than Arnelle and Jason. No matter if they are one family unit or not....they should not profit from Sydney and Justin's heart ache. And, shame on her for even considering it. Shame on OJ for allowing it and profiting from their trajedy himself. I am sure that Arnelle did look at all of them as Simpsons! It's actually quite obvious. While she should have been looking at it as Sydney and Justin and they deserve this, not I. She seems to have taken after her father a lot!

[martin II]

But, Arnelle and Jason still have a mother. Sydney and Justin don't. They suffered more and differently than Arnelle and Jason. No matter if they are one family unit or not....they should not profit from Sydney and Justin's heart ache. And, shame on her for even considering it. Shame on OJ for allowing it and profiting from their trajedy himself. I am sure that Arnelle did look at all of them as Simpsons! It's actually quite obvious. While she should have been looking at it as Sydney and Justin and they deserve this, not I. She seems to have taken after her father a lot!

tazzy hi
not being a member of the Simpsons, it may be that your ideas as to who is what and how they should act as brothers sisters is obviously not how they preceive themselves.imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi
not being a member of the Simpsons, it may be that your ideas as to who is what and how they should act as brothers sisters is obviously not how they preceive themselves.imo
martin II

Jason and arnelle are grown adults from orenthal's first marriage. Jason and arnelle were adults when Nicole was murdered by orenthal. Tell me again why you feel either Jason or arnelle should be profiting from the murders?

[martin II]

But, Arnelle and Jason still have a mother. Sydney and Justin don't. They suffered more and differently than Arnelle and Jason. No matter if they are one family unit or not....they should not profit from Sydney and Justin's heart ache. And, shame on her for even considering it. Shame on OJ for allowing it and profiting from their trajedy himself. I am sure that Arnelle did look at all of them as Simpsons! It's actually quite obvious. While she should have been looking at it as Sydney and Justin and they deserve this, not I. She seems to have taken after her father a lot!

tazzy hi

most here have condemmed this book 100% and oj.
Now you say nicoles children deserves the commission form the book.
you are forgetting that oj wrote the book and he has FOUR children.
Arnell has a right to try to provide for all four INCLUDING HERSELF as she was the one that pulled the idea togeather that created LBA.

what i think is that if there had not been so much anger and hard positions
against oj, there may have been room for a possible deal by oj and fred but then maby freds lawyers prevented this as YALE has always said he was open for a deal.
imo



martinii

[martin II]

Jason and arnelle are grown adults from orenthal's first marriage. Jason and arnelle were adults when Nicole was murdered by orenthal. Tell me again why you feel either Jason or arnelle should be profiting from the murders?

all four were set to profit from A BOOK OJ WROTE. thats it. you may be the one saying they were profiting from some murder.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

Jason and arnelle are grown adults from orenthal's first marriage. Jason and arnelle were adults when Nicole was murdered by orenthal. Tell me again why you feel either Jason or arnelle should be profiting from the murders?

weezer
you seem to see them as different because they have different mothers.
They seem to not agree with your assessment and see themselves as one family. They may even ask the basis for some nonfamily members,perfect strangers, stating how they should consider themselves.imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi

most here have condemmed this book 100% and oj.
Now you say nicoles children deserves the commission form the book.
you are forgetting that oj wrote the book and he has FOUR children.
Arnell has a right to try to provide for all four INCLUDING HERSELF as she was the one that pulled the idea togeather that created LBA.

what i think is that if there had not been so much anger and hard positions
against oj, there may have been room for a possible deal by oj and fred but then maby freds lawyers prevented this as YALE has always said he was open for a deal.
imo

martinii

most here were/are repulsed by orenthal even writing the book.

Did you read arnelle's deposition? Her sister and brothers did not want to be in on the book. She had no desire to 'provide' for all four -- as evidenced in her continual use of the word 'me' as in, "What's in it for me."

arnelle didn't put any deal together -- good grief -- she was approached by one of orenthal's friends who had her ask daddy to do it. she didn't want a finder's fee but the opportunity to make a lot of money. Her daddy, however, pulled a quick one and took what money there was -- left her high and dry -- LOL

My word, how old is she -- in her late 30's and still living at home?

[fbgweezer]

all four were set to profit from A BOOK OJ WROTE. thats it. you may be the one saying they were profiting from some murder.

imo
martin II

the book was about orenthal murdering Nicole -- the mother of Jason and arnelle's siblings. that's it. The only part of the book anyone was interested in was his confession chapter. imo

[tvdinner]

"trivializing and mocking" may be how you see his actions. He may not see it that way. For him it may be going to work to make money.

oj played by the rules by going to criminal court. He was found Not guilty
then he was tried again and found liable and ordered to pay 33 mill.
every time he triel to make money, someone is blocking him or complaining about what he is doing.
just how does he pay of 33 milliom if he is prevented from working in his field of expertise?

imo
martin IIJust because he doesn't see it that way doesn't change the fact that he is making a mockery of Nicole's death.

He didn't play by the rules by going to the criminal trial. That wasn't a voluntary act. He went to court because he didn't get away in the Bronco with the money, the disguise and the gun.

Too bad for him if every time he tries to make money he's blocked. He didn't seem to mind blocking Ron and Nicole's desire to keep breathing. Why doesn't he play by the rules and try to satisfy the civil judgement? By evading paying it he's flaunting the rules.

[fbgweezer]

weezer
you seem to see them as different because they have different mothers.
They seem to not agree with your assessment and see themselves as one family. They may even ask the basis for some nonfamily members,perfect strangers, stating how they should consider themselves.imo
martin II

I see them different because the mother of two of them was murdered by their father. And, martin, how do you know what their family dynamics are?

[Martyrdom]

"trivializing and mocking" may be how you see his actions. He may not see it that way. For him it may be going to work to make money.

oj played by the rules by going to criminal court. He was found Not guilty
then he was tried again and found liable and ordered to pay 33 mill.
every time he triel to make money, someone is blocking him or complaining about what he is doing.
just how does he pay of 33 milliom if he is prevented from working in his field of expertise?

imo
martin II


OJ's field of expertise was runnin' on the football field so i don't know 'bout where the "prevented from working in his field of expertise" is comin' from.

Oh wait, you must be meanin' that his field of expetise is makin' a mockery of murder victims ... he is pretty darn good at that huh.

[Martyrdom]

I see them different because the mother of two of them was murdered by their father. And, martin, how do you know what their family dynamics are?

Don't you be knowin' by now that martin knows everything?

Shame on you for goin' and thinkin' otherwise.;)

[Martyrdom]

tazzy hi

It seems that nicole two children and ojs two children see themselves as one family unit. From the pictures i have seen of them all togeather they seem to be loving towards each other. Their base home, when not in school is in Florida, i think at ojs house. He is responsible for the living of the younger ones. I guess jason and Arnell make some of their own money.
I believe Arnell looked at all of them as SIMPSONS.imo
She set the company up so that all four would share equally in any book commissions untill Mr Goldman blocked LBA, the childrens company, in the court as he wanted all the money for himself.imo
martin II

martinn

Man, Arnelle's as greedy as her papa is. Did ya actually bother to read her depo? She didn't do nothin' for the interest of anyone except her own bloated greedy fingers.

[fbgweezer]

Man, Arnelle's as greedy as her papa is. Did ya actually bother to read her depo? She didn't do nothin' for the interest of anyone except her own bloated greedy fingers.

:beer: :beer: :beer:

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi
not being a member of the Simpsons, it may be that your ideas as to who is what and how they should act as brothers sisters is obviously not how they preceive themselves.imo
martin II


You don't know that. You are assuming. She said herself that Sydney and Justin didn't want to do it at first. If she was a good sister she would have stopped right there. If she considered herself part of one family unit she wouldn't have continued with the book. It doesn't affect her in the same way it affects them. That's why she was all for it but they weren't. They feel differently which shows that even though they might consider themselves one family unit there are circumstances that affect two of them more. Why do you feel it's appropriate for Arnelle and Jason to profit from their sister & brothers mothers murder? Because their father is the one that killed them? So, they are entitled to a profit of the murder? Nicole and OJ were divorced at the time so Arnelle and Jason weren't even related to her anymore. But, Sydney and Justin would/will be no matter if they're divorced or not.

[fbgweezer]

all four were set to profit from A BOOK OJ WROTE. thats it. you may be the one saying they were profiting from some murder.

imo
martin II

"Profiting from some murder!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Gawd martin --

[martin II]

I see them different because the mother of two of them was murdered by their father. And, martin, how do you know what their family dynamics are?

i have stated that when i have seen them in pictures they all appear to be happy and pleased to be shown togeather.

Since Arnell and Oj stated that all the children agreed with the book then i opt to believe them over total strangers with very little or no proof otherwise.
imo
martin II

[tazzybaby]

tazzy hi

most here have condemmed this book 100% and oj.
Now you say nicoles children deserves the commission form the book.
you are forgetting that oj wrote the book and he has FOUR children.
Arnell has a right to try to provide for all four INCLUDING HERSELF as she was the one that pulled the idea togeather that created LBA.

what i think is that if there had not been so much anger and hard positions
against oj, there may have been room for a possible deal by oj and fred but then maby freds lawyers prevented this as YALE has always said he was open for a deal.
imo



martinii

No, I definately condemn the book! But, it is already done. So, if it was set up for anyone to profit out of the family it should be Sydney and Justin. They are the ones who are affected the most out of this trajedy. I am not forgetting that OJ has four kids. But, he only had two by Nicole. She can't contribute to their welfare/upbringing any longer. Jason and Arnelle still have a mother and they will inherit from her. I don't see it as Arnelle has a right to profit from Nicole's murder at all. She sounds greedy to me and she also sounds like she is really concerned about what SHE gets.

What I think is that Fred will never make a DEAL with OJ. He killed his son. All bets are off!!

[fbgweezer]

i have stated that when i have seen them in pictures they all appear to be happy and pleased to be shown togeather.

Since Arnell and Oj stated that all the children agreed with the book then i opt to believe them over total strangers with very little or no proof otherwise.
imo
martin II

martin, read arnelle's deposition -- SHE said her sister and brothers didn't want to do the book deal. Or did you want to say SHE didn't know what SHE was talking about?

I've actually never seen a picture of the simpson kids together since the murder of Nicole so I can't speak to their dynamics -- I doubt that you can either. imo

[martin II]

You don't know that. You are assuming. She said herself that Sydney and Justin didn't want to do it at first. If she was a good sister she would have stopped right there. If she considered herself part of one family unit she wouldn't have continued with the book. It doesn't affect her in the same way it affects them. That's why she was all for it but they weren't. They feel differently which shows that even though they might consider themselves one family unit there are circumstances that affect two of them more. Why do you feel it's appropriate for Arnelle and Jason to profit from their sister & brothers mothers murder? Because their father is the one that killed them? So, they are entitled to a profit of the murder? Nicole and OJ were divorced at the time so Arnelle and Jason weren't even related to her anymore. But, Sydney and Justin would/will be no matter if they're divorced or not.

tazzy hi
i have never seen either of the four act as anything other than loving brothers and sisters in a Simpson family unit. Therefore i have no reason to buy into all the other ideas as to what they are and how they should act offered by strangers that may have never even spoke a word to either of them and are now looking for a reason to try to make Arnell look bad. imo
I doubt Arnell is concerned at all.imo
martin II

[martin II]

tazzy hi

what ever you think nicoles children deserved from this book, it is Mr Fred Goldmans actions that made sure they would not get a penny.

Depending on if that book is damaged or not no one may get a penny as Mr Goldman made a grab for ALL the money. He did not think Nicoles children deserved anything. OR the browns .imo

martin II

[martin II]

martin, read arnelle's deposition -- SHE said her sister and brothers didn't want to do the book deal. Or did you want to say SHE didn't know what SHE was talking about?

I've actually never seen a picture of the simpson kids together since the murder of Nicole so I can't speak to their dynamics -- I doubt that you can either. imo

i have pictures of them on my hard drive hugging and smiling but cannot post them them here.
I think she said oj and the kids wanted to think about it before giving final decision. This discussion was not done in a set down type meeting , it seems to have been discussed over some period od time
It think she said all the kids agreed to the book and each were given 25%
of ownership. Oj also said all the kids agreed to do the book. Now you may know better.imo
martin II

[martin II]

martin, read arnelle's deposition -- SHE said her sister and brothers didn't want to do the book deal. Or did you want to say SHE didn't know what SHE was talking about?

I've actually never seen a picture of the simpson kids together since the murder of Nicole so I can't speak to their dynamics -- I doubt that you can either. imo

I read Arnells deposition and saw nothing wrong or Ilegal in what she did in forming LBA.IMO
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

No, I definately condemn the book! But, it is already done. So, if it was set up for anyone to profit out of the family it should be Sydney and Justin. They are the ones who are affected the most out of this trajedy. I am not forgetting that OJ has four kids. But, he only had two by Nicole. She can't contribute to their welfare/upbringing any longer. Jason and Arnelle still have a mother and they will inherit from her. I don't see it as Arnelle has a right to profit from Nicole's murder at all. She sounds greedy to me and she also sounds like she is really concerned about what SHE gets.

What I think is that Fred will never make a DEAL with OJ. He killed his son. All bets are off!!

Oj can contribute to the welfare of his children as long as they need it and he wants to contribute.

I don't think he(fred) will either. It may be that Hate and anger can cloud ones business decisions.imo

Strangers do seem to have better plans to offer the Simpsons on how they should structure their lives. gees.

imo
martin II

[martin II]

t5azzy hi

Yale and one of Freds lawyers could have made a deal to share when the book first came out. they both could have profited instead of just OJ.

But Fred wanted ALL the money and pushed forward with his court buddies.
Look what has happened now. looks like a train wreck to me.
imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

I read Arnells deposition and saw nothing wrong or Ilegal in what she did in forming LBA.IMO
MARTIN ii

you may not have but obviously the judge did...........

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi
i have never seen either of the four act as anything other than loving brothers and sisters in a Simpson family unit. Therefore i have no reason to buy into all the other ideas as to what they are and how they should act offered by strangers that may have never even spoke a word to either of them and are now looking for a reason to try to make Arnell look bad. imo
I doubt Arnell is concerned at all.imo
martin II

LOL -- unless you're a family member, you haven't seen the simpson kids act at all............

[fbgweezer]

i have stated that when i have seen them in pictures they all appear to be happy and pleased to be shown togeather.

Since Arnell and Oj stated that all the children agreed with the book then i opt to believe them over total strangers with very little or no proof otherwise.
imo
martin II

"Q Did you discuss the book idea with your brothers and sister?
A Yes.
Q Was that before you raised it with your dad or after?
A After.
Q After your dad expressed his concerns?
A Yes.
Q How did those discussions go?
A They were random, very light. Nothing specific.
Q In the sense that you said, "Hey, I have a book idea for dad, what do you guys think about it?" that how it went?
A Kind of, sort of. It was random conversations here and there. Sometimes they were finished, sometimes they weren't. Because I travel so much, it was random. It was here and there.
Q Did your brothers and sister have an opinion the book?
A Yeah.
Q Were they initially in favor of it, initially against it?
A They really didn't want to talk about it. Q So you raised it with them and they really didn't want to talk about it?
A At the time, no. They were concerned about other things. They're teenagers.
Q Did there come a time when they expressed a desire to go forward with the book, to be involved with the book?
A Yeah."

[fbgweezer]

t5azzy hi

Yale and one of Freds lawyers could have made a deal to share when the book first came out. they both could have profited instead of just OJ.

But Fred wanted ALL the money and pushed forward with his court buddies.
Look what has happened now. looks like a train wreck to me.
imo
martin II

we'll see -- I don't think orenthal has been given his penalty for funneling the money through a sham company set up by his friend. imo

Wouldn't it be a hoot if arnelle was the one penalized for daddy's little sneakey-doo? LOL

[fbgweezer]

tazzy hi
i have never seen either of the four act as anything other than loving brothers and sisters in a Simpson family unit. Therefore i have no reason to buy into all the other ideas as to what they are and how they should act offered by strangers that may have never even spoke a word to either of them and are now looking for a reason to try to make Arnell look bad. imo
I doubt Arnell is concerned at all.imo
martin II

I bet some of us have spoken to them as often as you have. I bet some of us have seen them interact as often as you have. :tongue:

arnelle makes herself look bad -- no one else has to do a thing. imo

[martin II]

Arnell did not testify that the kids DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.
She testified that in casual conversation she tossed the idea and the kids did not want to talk bout it because they were busy with other things. teenager things.
She also testified that initially oj did not want to do the book.
she testified that after oj decided to do the book she explained the deal to them again in more detail and they agreed.

imo
martin II

[Martyrdom]

This is 'bout my favorite part of the good ol' Arnell depo when the lawyer's askin' her about if OJ would be a shareholder in LBA:

Q. Did you ever raise that as being a possibility, him being a shareholder in Lorraine Brooke?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Just being greedy.

Holy moly man, if that don't say it all then I don't know what does! LMFAO!:lol:

[martin II]

I bet some of us have spoken to them as often as you have. I bet some of us have seen them interact as often as you have. :tongue:

arnelle makes herself look bad -- no one else has to do a thing. imo

that may or may not be true. you may never know.
Arnell looks great to me.
I doubt Arnell has concerns as to what SOME think about her.
She seems to be doing quite well.

I have seen nothing that would indicate that the others do not respect her as the oldest of the four.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
Arnell looks great to me.


So does Paris Hilton & she's sitting in jail :biggrin:

[fbgweezer]

Arnell did not testify that the kids DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.
She testified that in casual conversation she tossed the idea and the kids did not want to talk bout it because they were busy with other things. teenager things.
She also testified that initially oj did not want to do the book.
she testified that after oj decided to do the book she explained the deal to them again in more detail and they agreed.

imo
martin II

don't know what part of this you didn't understand:

" Q So you raised it with them and they really didn't want to talk about it?
A At the time, no."

[socaldiva]

*snip*
She also testified that initially oj did not want to do the book.


That's not what I read. IIRC she said that initially he said he was going to think about it. That's different than not wanting to do it. IMO

[socaldiva]

This is 'bout my favorite part of the good ol' Arnell depo when the lawyer's askin' her about if OJ would be a shareholder in LBA:

Q. Did you ever raise that as being a possibility, him being a shareholder in Lorraine Brooke?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Just being greedy.

Holy moly man, if that don't say it all then I don't know what does! LMFAO!:lol:

Yes, wasn't that rich? Finally a word of truth from one of the Simpsons. :tongue:

[socaldiva]

You might be thinkin' she looks great, which she don't cause she looks fat and all bloated but ya can't get around the fact that she's as dumb as her dad. Did ya read the depo? The lady (and I use the term loosely) can't barely understand any of the questions. She's stupid ... and she's a liar.

Gotta agree with you there :beer: :beer: :beer:

[fbgweezer]

Arnell did not testify that the kids DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.
She testified that in casual conversation she tossed the idea and the kids did not want to talk bout it because they were busy with other things. teenager things.
She also testified that initially oj did not want to do the book.
she testified that after oj decided to do the book she explained the deal to them again in more detail and they agreed.

imo
martin II

BTW martin -- how do you think you would approach that 'random' conversation? "Hey guys -- bad news, good news. Bad news is, Dad wants to write a book about how he murdered your mom. But the good news is, I could possibly get rich if the book sells. You know, I want to buy MY living mom a house and all that. But I am willing to give you a share of the profits if you go along with the plan."

do you think it may have been something like that?

[fbgweezer]

that may or may not be true. you may never know.
Arnell looks great to me.
I doubt Arnell has concerns as to what SOME think about her.
She seems to be doing quite well.

I have seen nothing that would indicate that the others do not respect her as the oldest of the four.imo
martin II

she obviously doesn't care what people think about her -- geez.

I have seen nothing that would indicate that the others do respect her. imo

[fbgweezer]

This is 'bout my favorite part of the good ol' Arnell depo when the lawyer's askin' her about if OJ would be a shareholder in LBA:

Q. Did you ever raise that as being a possibility, him being a shareholder in Lorraine Brooke?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Just being greedy.

Holy moly man, if that don't say it all then I don't know what does! LMFAO!:lol:

man did you hit that nail square on the head! LOL

[martin II]

This is 'bout my favorite part of the good ol' Arnell depo when the lawyer's askin' her about if OJ would be a shareholder in LBA:

Q. Did you ever raise that as being a possibility, him being a shareholder in Lorraine Brooke?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Just being greedy.

Holy moly man, if that don't say it all then I don't know what does! LMFAO!:lol:

oj would have never agreed to be a stock holder in LBA. Never. you don't seem to understand. IMO

martin II

[fbgweezer]

She seems to be doing quite well.

my goodness martin, the woman is in her 30's, still living at home and hoping to make money off of her daddy confessing to how he butchered two human beings! does that really sound like she's doing quite well to you?

[socaldiva]

BTW martin -- how do you think you would approach that 'random' conversation? "Hey guys -- bad news, good news. Bad news is, Dad wants to write a book about how he murdered your mom. But the good news is, I could possibly get rich if the book sells. You know, I want to buy MY living mom a house and all that. But I am willing to give you a share of the profits if you go along with the plan."

do you think it may have been something like that?

I don't think the kids didn't want to talk about it because they were "busy with teenage stuff". I bet they were repulsed by the idea & were talked into it. JMO

[socaldiva]

oj would have never agreed to be a stock holder in LBA. Never. you don't seem to understand. IMO

martin II


I think it's you that doesn't understand. That wasn't a point in Marty's post. Perhaps you should read it again.

[Martyrdom]

I think it's you that doesn't understand. That wasn't a point in Marty's post. Perhaps you should read it again.

:beer: :beer: :beer:

[martin II]

she obviously doesn't care what people think about her -- geez.

I have seen nothing that would indicate that the others do respect her. imo

It may that you are in different circlies than Arnell and would not be expected to know or hear any information from people in her chosen field
of work or from her social circles.
I would not expect you to know anything about her.
imo
martin II

[Martyrdom]

I gotta sign off and be gettin' my buns to work.

See y'all later on!

[socaldiva]

It may that you are in different circlies than Arnell and would not be expected to know or hear any information from people in her chosen field
of work or from her social circles.
I would not expect you to know anything about her.
imo
martin II

Are you in Arnell's circlies?. What do you profess to know about her that other's don't?

[martin II]

we'll see -- I don't think orenthal has been given his penalty for funneling the money through a sham company set up by his friend. imo

Wouldn't it be a hoot if arnelle was the one penalized for daddy's little sneakey-doo? LOL

It may be Arnells looks that have angered some and not so much her relationships with her brothers and sister. at any rate it matters not.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

It may be Arnells looks that have angered some and not so much her relationships with her brothers and sister. at any rate it matters not.imo
martin II

You are the only one that continually brings up her looks. I'd say no one else here gives a rat's patootie as to what she looks like & probably most think she's less than attractive. ;)

[fbgweezer]

It may that you are in different circlies than Arnell and would not be expected to know or hear any information from people in her chosen field
of work or from her social circles.
I would not expect you to know anything about her.
imo