Ipswitch Serial Killer United Kingdom

[237]

It seems now that we are faced with yet another serial killer in the United kingdom.The victims are Prostitutes or Hookers as they are called in the USA.
At least 5 bodies of young women have been found so far and some if not all have been found naked dumped in a local river.
These murders have happened very close together and it seems the person who is doing this is out for numbers? What i do find strange about this case is that this has happened all of a sudden. Usually these people start either with Rape or the person has done something similar before. I have been told that since 1996 a number of prostitutes have been murdered in or around this area how true that is i have still to find out, but if these are linked then we are looking at 11 murders.I still remember the case of the Yorkshire Ripper and that is still fresh in my mind. But one thing i really hate about these cases is when the media take it upon themselves to glorify these matters using names such as RIPPER! It makes me sick. This person is now being named the Ipswitch ripper, so now he thinks that he is some kind of force to be reckoned with and probably is enjoying the fact that he has been given such a magnificent name. The press have as much to do with spurring this culprit on into taking more victims as he does himself. Its about high time that the UK came out of its cotton wool enclosure and started putting these sick degenerates to death. Only a few miles from where i live a prostitute's body was found some years ago in a place called perenpit lane. I recall that the Police were looking for a large white van with rust marks, I saw a very similar van but never went to the Police about it and i know i should have but i never got round to it. This van was seen in a village called Frenchay. But all these years now i don't think this would help the police now? this person so far as i know has never been caught and could still be at large. The prostitute in this case had been badly mutilated. Another prostitute Sharon i cannot recall her surname but her body was found in sharpness docks, i have wondered if this same person was responsible for that murder?. But the case now ongoing in Ipswitch is this a person who travels the country maybe a lorry driver or local salesperson. he obviously has good knowledge of the area to be able to dump these bodies without being seen. But i do not agree with the press naming these individuals such names.

[karma-phala]

I'm new to posting here but have read crime library for ages... i came on today to see if this site had news of this case... there was nothing on the main site so thought i'd look at the forum & i'm glad to see your post!
I'm not sure if i'm braking any forum rules but here are some links to the news storys today on this subject!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006570569,00.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13556545,00.html

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/ripperreward.shtml

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=a-frenzy-of-killing%26method=full%26objectid=18255153%26siteid =94762-name_page.html

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail_pa.html?sku=11659963812553704-H0

I agree very much with what your saying... thats one big problem with cases like this... people made notorious & remembered forever for the horrable crimes they commit... made famous by news paper story which very rarely tell the truth & probably reveling in there fame... it's sickening.


I'd also like to say it saddens me that these girls are being refured to constantly as prostitutes... we know they are & i know this needs to be emphasized to protect those girls still working the streets... but at the same time these are beautiful young girls... one of which was only 19yrs with (as one family member said) loving families... mother... father... sisters... brothers etc... who had obviously just fallen in with the wrong crowd!
It's heart wrenching... i remember being 19... it wasn't that long ago & i hadn't even begun to live my life... i feel so sad for the families who have lost there beautiful daughter.
The word prostitute doesn't conjure up a good image of these girls... a cold reference to a less than excepted job... i wish they would say a young girl was murdered who was a prostitute... not just a prostitute... but a real person... just like you or me... we are just lucky enough not to have been in there situation & should have simpathy & care for the people left behind... it must be horrendous for there families.
I have no view on who this person maybe or why the're doing this as it's early days yet for this case but i will be interested in reading more news on the subject & hope this site includes it in detail at some point & i also hope they catch this person very soon!

[torch1974]

Hi 237,

Read your post with interest, while I agree with your comments regarding the press calling the killer the "Ripper", I have to disagree with your views on the death sentence. My view is that the State has no right to commit murder in order to punish murder. If it's wrong for a citizen to kill then it is wrong for the State to kill it's citizens. If Britain were to reintroduce the death sentence it would only be a matter of time before a innocent person is executed. Every few years someone in Britain is released from jail after being convicted of murder, but later found to be innocent.

Britain also has quite a low murder rate when compared to other industrial nations. Around 800-900 people are murdered in Britain each year. Compare this to the USA, around 16000 people murdered each year, now if you work it out by the population of Britain (60 Million), then 4500 people are murdered in the USA for every 60 Million of it's citizens. That also proves that the death penalty has no effect as a deterrent to murder. Canada, which people think as a safe Country had 622 murders in 2004 with a population of only 33 Million.

When they catch this maniac (hopefully sooner rather than later) he will spend the rest of his natural life in jail, giving him plenty of time to regret his actions.

[karma-phala]

They have arrested a man in connection with the murders!
Lets hope they have the right man :)

From sky news today....

A man has been arrested on suspicion of murdering five prostitutes in suffolk.
The 37 yr old was arrested in trimley, a small town near the port of felixstowe, at 7.20 am this morning.
The news was delivered by Det Chief Supt Stewart Gull at a press conference in ipswich.
Mr Gull said the man would be questioned later today!


Great news!
I'll hopefully post any follow up news later :)

[torch1974]

Tom Stephens, the man arrested in relation to the Sufflolk killings has a MySpace page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=85784962

[mnoffki]

I don't have a problem with giving a serial killer a catchy moniker, simply because I don't believe it's glorification, and when you don't have an actual name for the killer, then saying, "That person killing prostitutes in Ipswich..." is more longwinded and just cumbersome.

That said, I just want to comment that I am impressed with the investigation. It seems that in the US, if the victims are prostitutes, then no one really cares until prostitutes and citizens alike raise a ruckus. Granted, I am sure in this case, there were lessons learned from the Yorkshire Ripper, but seeing the victims treated with respect in the media and with the public is a refreshing change from what I have seen back home in the States.

This guy may or may not be the right person, but he apparently knew most or all of the victims, and was a boyfriend of Tania's. I hope that they've got the right person, and that this brutal taking of human life is at an end.

For the record, being from Texas, I support the death penalty and care very little for the rights of murderers.

[karma-phala]

They have today arrested another man in connection with the murders...
Sky news link http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1244603,00.html

I agree with you mnoffki about the death penalty... i'm from the uk and as you know we don't have the death penalty but i do think some crimes justify it!
The main problem... as mentioned by a previous poster... is in this country many people have been found not guilty after spending years in prison for the crime they were suppost to have committed! If we had the death penalty these people would not have had the chance tobe set free!
My main feeling about us not having it is that alot of people convicted of murder have a better time in prison than alot of people living a normal life outside... What i mean by this is there are alot of poor people who can't afford a tv/pc yet in prison it seem to be the norm that long term prisoners get these things and also have alot more freedom then we like to think... i.e being aloud out for days shopping etc... also the fact life in prison doesn't actually mean that here... they can be out within 10 years and offending again.
Lately there has been alot of news about child molesters being free after what i feel is a stupid amount of time in prison... living in halfway houses within the community and with access to children... some of which have reoffended... this in my opinion is unexceptable... life in prison should mean life and not a privileged one... most people in these cases get 4-5 years yet they have ruined a childs life forever... murders get 30 years but this normally means 10-15 with good behaviour... the judicial system in this country realy is a joke! :flamemad:

[torch1974]

They have today arrested another man in connection with the murders...
Sky news link http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1244603,00.html

I agree with you mnoffki about the death penalty... i'm from the uk and as you know we don't have the death penalty but i do think some crimes justify it!
The main problem... as mentioned by a previous poster... is in this country many people have been found not guilty after spending years in prison for the crime they were suppost to have committed! If we had the death penalty these people would not have had the chance tobe set free!
My main feeling about us not having it is that alot of people convicted of murder have a better time in prison than alot of people living a normal life outside... What i mean by this is there are alot of poor people who can't afford a tv/pc yet in prison it seem to be the norm that long term prisoners get these things and also have alot more freedom then we like to think... i.e being aloud out for days shopping etc... also the fact life in prison doesn't actually mean that here... they can be out within 10 years and offending again.
Lately there has been alot of news about child molesters being free after what i feel is a stupid amount of time in prison... living in halfway houses within the community and with access to children... some of which have reoffended... this in my opinion is unexceptable... life in prison should mean life and not a privileged one... most people in these cases get 4-5 years yet they have ruined a childs life forever... murders get 30 years but this normally means 10-15 with good behaviour... the judicial system in this country realy is a joke! :flamemad:


karma phala,

I agree completely about what you said about paedophiles being released after just a few years, however the system for Murder convictions has changed. It used to be that the judge would give a life sentence and recommend a minimum sentence. As this was only a recommendation, it was up to the parole board or Home Secretary to decide when the prisoner could be released. Now however, the judge sets a minimum term, for example Paul Taylor, 20, who was convicted the racist murder of Anthony Walker, was given a minimum 23 year sentence. This doesn't mean he will be released in 23 years time, it just means that the parole board will look at his case in 23 years time. In fact a violent career offender like Taylor, can expect to be in jail for a lot longer than 23 years. The other man convicted, Michael Barton, 17, was sentenced to 17 years minimum.

As for conditions in prison, a form of reward and punishment is used to control prisoners behaviour. It's all very well saying lifers should not be allowed TV or to use a computer, however how else are you going to keep violent dangerous offenders under control? If they misbehave they lose their privileges. Also only category c lifers who are coming to the end of their sentence are allowed to go into the local town, they are then escorted by a prison officer.

[karma-phala]

Ah thanks for your reply torch1974... very interesting :)
I have to admit my knowledge of these things is not that great... i'm just going on what i've heard over the years and had no idea the system for Murder convictions had changed... i just know of the cases i've read where people who got the 30yr life sentance only doing 10-15!

I have to say i know about the reward and punishment thing & to put it simply i think if they are misbehaving they should be locked in there cell & if there not then let them out in the yard... i'm sorry but i don't think giving a murderer a tv for good behaviour or anything else for that matter is a good thing to do.... they are in prison to be punished for taking someones life... i don't think it matters how well they behave after the fact... just my opinion you understand :)

[mnoffki]

They have today arrested another man in connection with the murders...
Sky news link http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1244603,00.html

I agree with you mnoffki about the death penalty... i'm from the uk and as you know we don't have the death penalty but i do think some crimes justify it!
The main problem... as mentioned by a previous poster... is in this country many people have been found not guilty after spending years in prison for the crime they were suppost to have committed! If we had the death penalty these people would not have had the chance tobe set free!
My main feeling about us not having it is that alot of people convicted of murder have a better time in prison than alot of people living a normal life outside... What i mean by this is there are alot of poor people who can't afford a tv/pc yet in prison it seem to be the norm that long term prisoners get these things and also have alot more freedom then we like to think... i.e being aloud out for days shopping etc... also the fact life in prison doesn't actually mean that here... they can be out within 10 years and offending again.
Lately there has been alot of news about child molesters being free after what i feel is a stupid amount of time in prison... living in halfway houses within the community and with access to children... some of which have reoffended... this in my opinion is unexceptable... life in prison should mean life and not a privileged one... most people in these cases get 4-5 years yet they have ruined a childs life forever... murders get 30 years but this normally means 10-15 with good behaviour... the judicial system in this country realy is a joke! :flamemad:


I agree in that the system of capital punishment is flawed when an innocent person dies. I am also for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and with DNA testing, it's easy enough to accomplish given the right circumstances. I am a strong supporter of the death penalty, though I know it means nothing now that I am living here in the UK.

As for your point on people who get all sorts of priveleges in jail, I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to have TV or other little luxuries. Jail is meant to be a place for punishment. In my ideal world, they'd be lucky to have air con and heating or a real bed. But that's just me. I am a hardliner.

It deeply disturbs me that child molestors get light sentences. And they seem to finally be changing that as the world realizes that these are people that have no business being a part of society. As another poster mentioned, 23 years to life doesn't mean he's out early or 23 years later, but in many circumstances, at least in the US, taking a sensitivity course seems to get these perverts out again with a shoddy monitoring system.

Moving onto the topic at hand, I heard this morning that a second suspect was arrested in the Ipswich case. Things are starting to get very interesting.

[torch1974]

In regards to prisoner privileges, you have to remember that if the prison population as a whole feel aggrieved then they are likely to take direct action against the prison. Ask prison officers if prisoners should have their privileges taken away as a matter of course, then the answer would be no, they know what would happen. Of course I imagine if we ploughed billions of pounds more each year into more prisons and more staff, then you could eventually get to the stage when you could take away privileges without the risk of riots. However I guess we won't have as much money to spend on hospitals or schools etc. I for one think we are taxed enough in this Country!. As far as I'm concerned the carrot and stick is the only way to go.

[mnoffki]

In regards to prisoner privileges, you have to remember that if the prison population as a whole feel aggrieved then they are likely to take direct action against the prison. Ask prison officers if prisoners should have their privileges taken away as a matter of course, then the answer would be no, they know what would happen. Of course I imagine if we ploughed billions of pounds more each year into more prisons and more staff, then you could eventually get to the stage when you could take away privileges without the risk of riots. However I guess we won't have as much money to spend on hospitals or schools etc. I for one think we are taxed enough in this Country!. As far as I'm concerned the carrot and stick is the only way to go.


Unfortunately, you make a good point. Not unfortunate because you said it ;) but unfortunate because it's true. I would be all for making prison life hard and hooking up the prison system with more staff and high tech monitoring, but schools and hospitals are in bigger need for the greater good.

I still think that anything beyond the basic for a prisoner is too much. They're not there for entertainment, and surely there are cheaper ways to keep the prison population from rioting or otherwise wreaking havoc.

Books are cheaper than television, and easier to monitor. Hrm... I'm thinking too much. Let me stop.

[karma-phala]

This is from todays news paper... i thought i'd cut and paste rather than a link this time as i've realised some of the pages may not be there when people go to look... i.e the my space page was closed before i could look at it :confused:

SUFFOLK Strangler suspect Steve Wright, 48, became the second person arrested over the murder of five prostitutes in Ipswich.

Wright’s flat is in the town’s red light district. Paula Clennell, one of the victims, lived opposite him.


Wright was arrested after cops took DNA evidence from three sites where victims’ bodies were found.

The dad-of-three Steve Wright was seized at 5am yesterday at his flat in the red-light area of Ipswich.

He was last night being quizzed by cops on suspicion of killing five vice girls from the town.


Ex-police Special Constable Tom Stephens was held 22 hours earlier. He was still being questioned last night.

A police source described lorry driver Wright’s detention as “a far more significant arrest”.

The DNA profiles were recovered in the areas where the naked bodies of Anneli Alderton, Paula Clennell and Annette Nicholls were discovered close to Ipswich.

The samples were then fed into the National DNA Database. And police swooped after advice from the Forensic Science Service.

The bodies of Anneli and Paula, both 24, and 29-year-old Annette were the last three found by cops.

The Strangler’s other victims — Gemma Adams, 25, and Tania Nicol, 19 — were found in waterways, destroying vital evidence.

A source said: “The fact the first girls found were in water showed the suspect had forensic awareness.


“We were puzzled why the last three were found on land. This provided us with a much better opportunity to retrieve evidence.

“At that point, it seemed almost as if the killer actually WANTED to be caught. We recovered DNA at three sites and this has proved a vital tool in the investigation.”

Ex-pub landlord Wright has been married three times. Last night it was understood he was still with third wife Pamela, 48 — but police sources said he appeared to have been living alone in the dingy flat where he was held.

The son of a former docks policeman, Wright first married Angela O’Donovan in a ceremony in West Wales. They had three children — Anne Marie, 22, George, 21 and 19-year-old Dawn. After the couple divorced, he married Diane Cassell in 1987.

Our pictures - available in today's Sun newspaper - show their wedding and a night out at a pub.

They too eventually split and Wright, a former steward on the QE2, later wed Pamela.

Diane is now wheelchair-bound after a meningitis attack and lives with her partner in Hartlepool, Teesside.

She said last night: “I knew him for seven years but we were only married for five minutes really. It was a long time ago and I haven’t had anything to do with him for ages.”

Pamela works night shifts in a call centre and is said to have been quizzed by cops as a possible witness. Bosses at the centre, which handles out-of-hours calls for businesses, confirmed she was not due there in the near future.

The wife sought refuge last night at Ipswich pub Uncle Tom’s Cabin, where she and Wright are regulars.

She drowned her sorrows and told a pal: “I’m distraught. I just can’t believe it’s true. He wouldn’t hurt a fly. He’s innocent. I’m just feeling so lonely tonight.”

Friends said Wright, who works from a base in Mendlesham, north of Ipswich, is a keen golfer and member of the nearby Hintlesham Golf Club. One said: “He always wears immaculate black clothes when he plays.

“Around 20 years ago he worked as a steward for P&O Ferries. Pam used to tell me his clothes had to be immaculate. She used to love the way he dressed.”


Wright’s father Conrad, who lives in Felixstowe, told of his shock at his son’s arrest.

He said: “When I heard there had been an arrest of a 48-year-old man in Ipswich I actually piped up and said, ‘Steve’s 48 and lives in Ipswich’. But I never thought it would be him in a million years.

“I don’t actually think he’s clever enough to commit these crimes. They take a level of intelligence I don’t think Steve has. He’s just not capable of killing people.”

Conrad, 72, said he hadn’t seen or spoken to his son since 2001.

Former RAF man Conrad had four children with Wright’s mother Patricia — two boys and two girls.

But Patricia later left him for another man and took the children with her. The kids then failed to hit it off with Conrad’s new wife Valerie and the family grew apart.

Conrad said: “The last time Steve was round years ago, he had a big row with Valerie and hyperventilated and collapsed in the kitchen. I had to call an ambulance.”

The dad revealed his son had racked up more than £40,000 in unsecured loans to fund wild spending sprees. And he told how five years ago, he sold his car, all his belongings and headed off to Thailand for a six-week holiday.

Conrad said: “I went round to his place and it was stripped bare. No furniture — he had flogged the lot.”

Detectives were yesterday granted an extra 36 hours to quiz 37-year-old Stephens, whose dramatic Monday morning arrest was reported in The Sun yesterday.



I'd like to just say thankyou torch1974 & mnoffki for an interesting debate... you have both given me alot to think about :)

[mnoffki]

Hi karma-phala,

That's what it's all about. Friendly debate and the exchange of ideas.

Whoever it is, I just hope he's in custody already. These deaths are horribly tragic.

:)

[mnoffki]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6194351.stm

An arrest was made! This is the second suspect.

[karma-phala]

He has been remanded in custody until january 2 so i doubt there will be much news about it for a couple of weeks now.

I feel bad for the other bloke... if he actually had nothing to do with it & was maybe just helping with enquires... although they normally say if thats so.
The fact the press released his name & address... i believe they even went around & spoke to his mother... how horrible for his family.
Still we are yet to hear the full story he may have been involved.

Seeing as it's christmas i will not be online much!

so...

Merry Christmas & a happy new year all :beer:

[torch1974]

Stephen Wright 48 years old has been charged with the murders of 5 Women in Ipswich. It seems to me that 48 is an unusual age to begin a career as a serial killer. So has he killed before? There are several unsolved murders of Women in East Anglia going back several years. I wonder if more charges will follow........

[karma-phala]

Did you hear yesterday on the news they said about 2 other unsolved murders of prostitutes... they said these girls frequented a pub that Stephen Wright owned... but they said he didn't own the pub at the times of the murders... he bought it after... sounds abit to highly coincidental for me... maybe he didn't own it at the time but maybe he did go there & did also know these girls ?

[mnoffki]

Amazing. I guess the only way outside of actual physical evidence to know for sure about the other two murders is to get a confession.

I do feel a bit sorry for the first suspect, but then, he was the one that granted BBC and interview, so it's not like he seemed overly fussed at having all this information publicized. I'm sure that what's to follow with Wright will make him little more than a footnote in this case.

[karma-phala]

Steven Wright has been remanded in custody and has not entered any plea at ipswich crown court... he will be held untill may 1st.

Link to todays sky news...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13559769,00.html

[Frogster]

:beer: Those English Police are pretty good at their job. There's no fuss just results. Congratulations Bobbys.

[mnoffki]

:beer: Those English Police are pretty good at their job. There's no fuss just results. Congratulations Bobbys.

I second that one! :beer:

[karma-phala]

THE man accused of murdering five Suffolk prostitutes has poured out his soul in a dramatic letter from behind bars.
Strangler suspect Steve Wright insisted to lover Pam Goodman, pictured below, that he did not kill the girls, whose naked bodies were found dumped around the outskirts of Ipswich.



"Please believe me when I say I'm not capable of those crimes," he pleaded.

Awaiting trial in south-east London's tough Belmarsh prison, 48-year-old Wright spoke out for the first time, revealing he is under a round-the-clock watch by guards.

"I am worried how you are coping with this nightmare," he told his partner of eight years in three pages littered with spelling mistakes (which we have left in).

"I keep hopeing I am going to wake up and realise it was only a bad dream.




"I don't want you to worry about me.

"I am stronger in mind and body than I make out.

"I know this is a frightening place but I am coping well at the moment as long as I know that you are all right."

Wright then begged Pam, 61, not to take any notice of what people are saying about him.

"I just want you to remember that I love you very much and I always have," he said.

"I just wish I had shown you more, you are my whole life.

"I know this must be tough on you because you are out there takeing all the flak. Weather bad comments from people who do not know us.

"I know that you will have the support of your friends and you will be OK. Try not to worry about me too much but I know that you will.

"Thinking about you is keeping me strong."

A close pal of the couple, who leaked the letter to us, revealed last night: "Pam burst into tears when she got it through the post on Thursday. She's been on a rollercoaster of emotion since Steve was arrested.

"She kept reading it and re-reading it and wouldn't put it down.




"She is completely devastated by what's happened and feels she's been left high and dry.

"She's done nothing wrong but can't get back into her home to pick up clothes or anything personal.

"She's got nowhere to live and friends are having to put her up at a secret location just outside Ipswich.

"She's been prescribed tranquillisers by her doctor so she can keep calm. The enormity of this hasn't hit her yet.

"She's lost loads of weight because she couldn't eat for a week when it all blew up. She's still very stressed.

"The police have frozen her bank accounts so she's in complete limbo. They've even taken her phone so friends can't contact her."

Wright asked whether Pam had got her a Christmas present, not knowing that cops seized everything in their house at London Road, Ipswich.

He said he is desperate for more tobacco, spends his time watching TV movies and wants her to get a landline so he can make cheap calls to her.

"I have a televisoin outside my cell which I watch through the bars so you know I'm keeping up with all the soaps," he wrote.

"Mind you,EastEnders is a bit boring lately."

Then Wright detailed how he spent the three days after Boxing Day just like millions across Britain—glued to ITV's afternoon blockbuster repeats of the Back To The Future and Jurassic Park trilogies.

"I even watched The Railway Children, believe it or not," he added. "You know me, if the telly is on I have got to watch it.

"I am still trying to get the hang of rolling cigerettes because that is all they have in here.

"They gave me a smoker's pack when I first arrived but that went a couple of days ago so I am chewing my fingers a bit.

"I get £2.50 a week from the prison which will buy me a packet of tobacco. I suppose that will last three days if I smoke spareingly. When you come and see me, if you could bring me some boxer shorts and socks and some T-shirts and trainers."



Wright revealed he is reading a book lent to him by a prison officer and added: "Ninety-five per cent of them are OK.




"Some have been really helpful. I'm on constant watch here which means I have a prison officer outside my cell 24 hours a day.

"I suppose it's to make sure I don't do anything stupid but you make me strong, honey.

"The thought of you pulling for me gives me a tremendous boost. I have got to finish this letter now so I can get it in the post. Just know that I love you very much.

"All my love and my thoughts are with you."

In a dramatic new twist last night it emerged that partner Pam has been barred from visiting Wright because of red tape. She cannot get in to see him because she can't prove her identity.

Another pal of the couple told us: "With the house closed up and everything taken away Pam hasn't got access to her passport, driving licence or even a utility bill which prison authorities need to prove who she is.

"She's very upset and desperate to see Steve as soon as possible.

"But she has now asked the police to see if they can get her permission."

On Friday Wright's estranged dad Conrad, 70, also said he wanted to visit his son, who is awaiting trial for the killings of Gemma Adams, 25, Tania Nicol, 19, Anneli Alderton, 24, Annette Nicholls, 29, and Paula Clennell, 24,.

"I'll look him in the eye and I'm certain that I'll know if he's done it," he said.



http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

[mnoffki]

Wow, karma...

I can certainly see the reasoning behind the police actions, but I do feel for this poor woman. I am wondering if any special arrangements can be made, or if they are in progress right now for her to at least get some cash for herself and possibly her identification if she is allowed in with a police escort. I wouldn't see the problem in this if it was assured that she did not do anything that would possibly mess with evidence.

[karma-phala]

I don't know what to make of the letter... it pulled at my heart strings as i read it... wether he's guilty or not it must be so hard for Pam & i don't see how taking her christmas gift will help with there enquiries :shrug:
I can imagine it feels like the end of her world & i'm not supprised she's on tranquillisers... it must be horrendous for her... it's so horrible to think about how these things affect not just the victims & the offender but there familys & friends... my heart goes out to her & i hope as you say mnoffki that something can be done to get her money & or identification back.
Also if she could visit him she could make her own mind up as to how she feels... i should imagine she's in limbo at the moment... it's hard to understand how it would feel to be told your partner has commited such a terrible crime.

[mnoffki]

I don't know what to make of the letter... it pulled at my heart strings as i read it... wether he's guilty or not it must be so hard for Pam & i don't see how taking her christmas gift will help with there enquiries :shrug:
I can imagine it feels like the end of her world & i'm not supprised she's on tranquillisers... it must be horrendous for her... it's so horrible to think about how these things affect not just the victims & the offender but there familys & friends... my heart goes out to her & i hope as you say mnoffki that something can be done to get her money & or identification back.
Also if she could visit him she could make her own mind up as to how she feels... i should imagine she's in limbo at the moment... it's hard to understand how it would feel to be told your partner has commited such a terrible crime.

I can't even imagine what she must be going through. What gets me is that she's being treated like a criminal herself in this whole thing, albeit indirectly. It's hard enough to have to face that your loved one might well be a serial killer, but to have everything down to your identification barred from you is like rubbing salt in the wound. I can't imagine that the authorities will not escort her into the house to allow her to collect what's hers. Even if she can't stay there, which I fully understand because I am sure that they are searching for sensitive evidence there. She has to live. Unless there is something we are not being told here, like the possibility of her being a flight risk/accomplice or something like that, they've got to bend a little for her.

I obviously don't know, but I do think that they have the right man, unless the real killer is biding his time and letting him take the fall, only to resume killing later. However, you make a good point. How does a person deal with the idea that a loved one might be a killer? It's hard to wrap the mind around that sort of mental trauma.

[torch1974]

A couple of quick points, Pam Goodman would of got a big fat fee for allowing the News of the World the use the letter.

Also the News of the World is a tabloid paper with a history of bending the truth, so I would take any story in it with a grain of salt.

As they shared the house "everything" will be checked to see if it relates to the case, including her Christmas present, who's to say that the present he gave her didn't belong to one of the girls first? (Jewellery or a watch etc). Gary Ridgway used to have yard sales to get rid of his victims belongings, he also used to leave items of his victims jewellery around his work place, it gave him a thrill when he saw a work colleague wearing dead women's jewellery!.

Finally, they have to make sure she was not involved, or aware of what Wright was allegedly doing. She is to a certain extent a suspect.

This of course is a terrible thing to deal with, unfortunately the Police have to do whatever it takes to make sure they put the correct person/people behind bars.

[mnoffki]

A couple of quick points, Pam Goodman would of got a big fat fee for allowing the News of the World the use the letter.

Also the News of the World is a tabloid paper with a history of bending the truth, so I would take any story in it with a grain of salt.

As they shared the house "everything" will be checked to see if it relates to the case, including her Christmas present, who's to say that the present he gave her didn't belong to one of the girls first? (Jewellery or a watch etc). Gary Ridgway used to have yard sales to get rid of his victims belongings, he also used to leave items of his victims jewellery around his work place, it gave him a thrill when he saw a work colleague wearing dead women's jewellery!.

Finally, they have to make sure she was not involved, or aware of what Wright was allegedly doing. She is to a certain extent a suspect.

This of course is a terrible thing to deal with, unfortunately the Police have to do whatever it takes to make sure they put the correct person/people behind bars.

Good point, especially regarding the gift.

[karma-phala]

Thanks torch1974 for your comments... i agree with most of what you said the only thing i was wondering was on the Jewellery point... the last 3 girls were found with all there Jewellery & although after reading your post i was thinking you could be right... isn't it strange that he didn't take theres ??
I also wondered if there wasn't someone else involved as the last 3 girls were also found out of water...
Today there is this story in the paper of there maybe being another person involved in dumping the bodies....
Story below....


DETECTIVES probing the Suffolk murders of five prostitutes believe a SECOND man could have been involved.

They are convinced the bodies of four victims were dumped in PAIRS — and are baffled at how the killer could have done it without help.

Police reckon the biggest clue was the discovery of two strangled women just 150 yards apart. The naked bodies of Paula Clennell, 24, and Annette Nicholls, 29, were found on rough ground south east of Ipswich.

Last night a police source said: “It almost beggars belief someone would have the sheer nerve — let alone the physical strength — to get rid of two bodies at a time without someone seeing.

“It’s almost as hard to believe someone having the nerve to dump one body and leave another in a vehicle before coming back for it and doing the same thing again.”


Murdered Gemma Adams, 25, was found in a brook west of the town — and Tania Nicol, 19, two miles downstream. Police are sure that they were dumped at the same time.

A senior source close to the inquiry confirmed: “We believe there is a strong chance the killer was accompanied by somebody else on at least two of the murders.

“Detailed checks on vehicle movements and mobile phone cell site records are being carried out. Nothing definite has been established. But it is a major focus of the inquiry.”

The Suffolk Strangler’s fifth victim was 24-year-old Anneli Alderton. All the bodies were found over a ten-day period.

The police source said of the killer: “It is difficult to see how that person was able to dispose of five bodies in a very short space of time without being seen unless they had help.”




Trucker Steve Wright, 48, of Ipswich, has been charged with the five murders.

He is next due to appear at Ipswich Crown Court on May 1. A second suspect — 37-year-old Tom Stephens — is currently on bail until mid-March after being arrested on suspicion of the murders 24 hours before Wright.

He has protested his innocence and it is understood cops have uncovered no evidence to indicate he had any involvement.

Suffolk Police last night refused to comment. Spokeswoman Anna Woolnough said: “As criminal proceedings are active we are unable to comment about any aspect.”




I thought from the start that there could be someone else... but my thinking was connected with the change of location where they found the the last 3 bodies & the fact all 3 still had there Jewellery & i thought maybe there were 2 separate murderers & not that 2 people were working together.... but we shall see :)