Evidence that Places OJ Simpson at the Crime Scene

[martin II]

Hysterical, Diva! "If i were in a position to grade post or had been asked to do so, i would give him a very high grade.imo martin II" He wasn't asked to do so, but he graded WA's posts anyway! What a *****!

Martin wouldn't be able to read and understand posts even if he was using a magnifying glass!

JMO and MOO!!

2l
It is not my fault that you seem to be still looking for food and water.

martin II

[bobaugust]

This is the part of Dear Limakey's post to which I was offering my accolades.

I guess that means you agree that what limakey desires to believe is not credible since there is no evidence to support her beliefs.

bobaugust

[martin II]

:lol: :lol:

Excellent Diva!

you must be equally as lonely as the wannabe cop.imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

you must be equally as lonely as the wannabe cop.imo
martin II

Lonely? Wannabe cop? Needing food & water? You are a bundle of mass confusion.

Aren't you late for another of your famed visits to Africa or to meet one of your celebrity friends?

[martin II]

2L

To avoid having to read your ignorant and argumentive post to me and others i have put you on ignore as i have not found any benefit from your rantings.imo
i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.


see you

:flamemad: martin

[socaldiva]

i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.
see you
:flamemad: martin

That's funny. You say that she is the angry one, yet you are the one with the flaming face :tongue:

[sassylassy]

2L

To avoid having to read your ignorant and argumentive post to me and others i have put you on ignore as i have not found any benefit from your rantings.imo
i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.
see you

martin

the ignore feature is a wonderful tool martin - trust me ;)

[martin II]

the ignore feature is a wonderful tool martin - trust me ;)

sassy lassy

i know. i have used it on the one that believes she is some kind of a diva
and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo

lisence plate seems to be headed for some kind of breakdown. i hope she can get some help .
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

2L

To avoid having to read your ignorant and argumentive post to me and others i have put you on ignore as i have not found any benefit from your rantings.imo
i hope you find a way to rid yourself of all the anger.

see you

:flamemad: martin

As usual, the truth hurts...

You said weeks/months ago that you put me on Ignore! I guess you were lying.

Yes, it's unfortunate for all of us that we have to "read your ignorant and argumentative" posts!

It will be so wonderful not to have to hear from you again! Buh Bye!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

sassy lassy

i know. i have used it on the one that believes she is some kind of a diva
and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo

lisence plate seems to be headed for some kind of breakdown. i hope she can get some help .
martin II

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Funny you say that you have Diva on Ignore, but you continue to post to her! Hmmm? Who's having the breakdown, Martin AKA Nettathirty?

Yes, it will be a help not having to hear from you or classylassy ever again, but I just consider the sources! Duh!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794815]

and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo


you will find that posters on your Ignore List will still try to reply to you-
just ignore it--thats what I do---- out of sight out of mind!!!

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some ska***.

martin II

[sassylassy]

QUOTE=martin II
--snip-----

and believe me not having to read a wannaba cops nagging opinions has been conforting to say the least.imo



you will see posters on your Ignore List still posting to you-but just ignore it--thats what I do---- out of sight out of mind!!!

at some point this will be considered harrassment or stalking!!
imo--jmo

[sassylassy]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794826]

snipped--

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some


martin II


sorry-I was in edit mode still when u posted your reply to me.

i say we get back on topic :beer:

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794828]


sorry-I was in edit mode still when u posted your reply to me.

i say we get back on topic :beer:

good idea
martin II

[martin II]

sassy
i am reading the remainder of coras deposition. she give good information into nicoles and oj's lives mainly i think because she was so close to both.
i was surprised that after the divoice faye became more friendly with oj to some extent and this bothered nicole.i always thought that faye did not like oj and he did not like her.
imo
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
:lol:
Funny you say that you have Diva on Ignore, but you continue to post to her! Hmmm? Who's having the breakdown, Martin AKA Nettathirty?


Oh gawd, he's so confused. I'm a "wannabe cop"? I've NEVER had any such desire, nor have I posted such a thing. :rolleyes:

[fbgweezer]

Martin,

Thank you. You are obviously a man of high intelligence and a gentleman.

:lol: riiiigggghhhttt :lol:

[fbgweezer]

william
I do compliment you on your tolarance and knowledge.
martin II

:lol: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight :lol:

[fbgweezer]

[QUOTE=sassylassy;8794826]

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some ska***.

martin II

You've been in a real mood lately -- baiting and then attacking when the person responds BUT I think calling other posters names may have put you over the edge.

[socaldiva]

i know
the wannabe cop that snitches on the neighbors imo does this all the time
or she is just so use to posting insults that she sometimes forgets who she is posting to. it amazes me how some people can allow lonleyness to cause them to loose all of the lovely feminine qualities most smart women posess.
some times i seems that a bunch of drunks are posting here. no harm intended but i just prefer to deal with quality people rather then some ska***. martin II

I missed this gem of a post until now. You are either horribly confused or out & out lying when you refer to me as a "wanna be cop that snitches on neighbors". Sometimes I wish I were lonely, but that's not the case either. There is no basis in truth for any of the rubbish contained in your post here, but then again that seems to me your MO across this board. You are a joke.

You prefer to deal with "quality people"? WTH would quality people want to associate with you? You seem to sit here 24 hrs a day & seem to have trouble reading, spelling & understanding basic ideas.

[sassylassy]

:confused: wth -why is my name on Martins post?

[socaldiva]

:confused: wth -why is my name on Martins post?

Sorry about that. I changed it. I'm having a hard time with quoting on this new board.

[martin II]

:confused: wth -why is my name on Martins post?

i have no idea.

martin II

[socaldiva]

i have no idea.

martin II

Of course you don't :rolleyes:

As they say in court, asked & answered....move on.

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794828]

You've been in a real mood lately -- baiting and then attacking when the person responds BUT I think calling other posters names may have put you over the edge.

fbg
I have not baited anyone. why not find a way to contribute to the topic and stop stalking my every post. i see you are doing the same to williams post.

martin II

[martin II]

sassy
is it possible for a poster to change anothers posters post or name in order to confuse who is posting. looks like it happened on both ocassions.

martin II

[socaldiva]

fbg
I have not baited anyone. why not find a way to contribute to the topic and stop stalking my every post. i see you are doing the same to williams post.

martin II

Sure. Referring to posters as lonely drunkard skanks isn't baiting. :rolleyes:

Evidently you see all kinds of things that aren't there. No one is "stalking" you or william. That's laughable.

[fbgweezer]

sassy
is it possible for a poster to change anothers posters post or name in order to confuse who is posting. looks like it happened on both ocassions.

martin II

I don't think it's being done by the posters but rather by something going on with "Quotes" on this board.

[fbgweezer]

[QUOTE=fbgweezer;8794845]

fbg
I have not baited anyone. why not find a way to contribute to the topic and stop stalking my every post. i see you are doing the same to williams post.

martin II

you are wrong to ask me about nude pictures of myself and wrong to call another poster a skank and wrong to call other posters drunks. If you think that's stalking your posts, then so be it. Someone needs to remind you when you go too far.

[martin II]

I don't think it's being done by the posters but rather by something going on with "Quotes" on this board.

the moderator should know
martin II

[socaldiva]

the moderator should know
martin II

If you had half a thinking brain, you would know that a poster can NOT go in & edit someone else's post in the manner you suggest.

Go ahead, run to the moderator & embarrass yourself. :tongue:

[martin II]

[QUOTE=martin II;8794869]

you are wrong to ask me about nude pictures of myself and wrong to call another poster a skank and wrong to call other posters drunks. If you think that's stalking your posts, then so be it. Someone needs to remind you when you go too far.

fbg

i have no interest in what knid of picture you may or may not have ACTUALLY.

You are the one that started all the talk about NAKED pictures as you call them.

you are wrong to make snide remarks about my trip to africa and what i said about j brown.

why not have a cup of coffee and stop all attemps to start a argument with me.

therer are many posters that you can post to here.

martin II

[sassylassy]

sassy
is it possible for a poster to change anothers posters post or name in order to confuse who is posting. looks like it happened on both ocassions.

martin II


:shrug: I noticed that on a few posts. I think its a board problem-
I will let FW know.:read:

[limakey]

Mr. August,

The DA's were in total control of the case. There was nothing the defense could have done if the DA's introduced his statement. Also, Marcia Clark was really the first chair DA in name only. She had an army of lawyers working on this case. And again, if the blood was indeed fresh, then what arguement could the defense come up with--when Simpson himself said that he hadn't been there in a few weeks.

This is simple Mr. August, Marcia Clark was told that the "x-ray" of the drops would not help her case. The drops were so degraded that there was no way to prove it was "fresh" blood. Don't you think Marcia Clark sent out a posse of investigators to talk to every person who had been in Nicole's home in the last couple weeks of her life to see if they saw those blood drops or not? Also, the DA's only introduce that the blood could have been degraded because of the broken A/C unit---yet they provided no evidence of this. Why not?

And again, what sympathy did Simpson generate for himself in his interview? What were the softball questions? Plain and simple Mr. August, Simpson said nothing to implicate himself of the murders either in his phone conversation with Phillips or in the interview with Lange and Vanatter. If there was a way for Clark to prove those blood drops were not there before that that night, the statement would have been introduced. She was wise to leave it alone and she was wise enough to take her lumps on this issue. IMO.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

I have supported my claims with evidence and common sense. You have posted over and over again they had no reason to suspect Simpson, yet you have not provided any evidence on why they wouldn't have suspected him.
You have not provided any evidence where Sydney and Justin were the first priority.

The only thing you have done is to repost testimony from witnesses who had many months to come up with a story and to stick with it no matter what. You have not provided any evidence as to why the police's testimony and actions do not match up.

However, in thinking about Commander Bushy's order, he may be telling the truth about why he gave the order---because he already knew what the detectives knew---so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying.

[jotun]

no one knows the origin of the fibers so the fibers could have come from any place including the blanket that the cops whisked all over the crime scene, their uniforms and clothes or they could have been put on the sock in the lab when they were dropping blood on them.
martin II

Martin,

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

jotun

[fbgweezer]

Martin,

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

jotun

Oh my! what the item is doesn't matter -- the fact that the fibers matched does.

Just for grins, where do you think they got unpreserved blood to drop around in the lab?

[2L8 4A D8]

I missed this gem of a post until now. You are either horribly confused or out & out lying when you refer to me as a "wanna be cop that snitches on neighbors". Sometimes I wish I were lonely, but that's not the case either. There is no basis in truth for any of the rubbish contained in your post here, but then again that seems to me your MO across this board. You are a joke.

You prefer to deal with "quality people"? WTH would quality people want to associate with you? You seem to sit here 24 hrs a day & seem to have trouble reading, spelling & understanding basic ideas.

:beer: Right on, Diva! Yeah, Quality People! He wouldn't know Quality People if they hit him square in the face! And, like you said, what kind of Quality People would want to associate with him? None. Nada. Zilch! Just consider all of the NG sources!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally Posted by limakey

Mr. August,

I have supported my claims with evidence and common sense. You have posted over and over again they had no reason to suspect Simpson, yet you have not provided any evidence on why they wouldn't have suspected him.
You have not provided any evidence where Sydney and Justin were the first priority.

I have never seen you post any of your ridiculous claims with any evidence or common sense. Posters have asked and asked and get nothing in return from you except for "baffling bulls*t!" In the scheme of things Limakey, WTH does it matter whether LE did or didn't suspect Simpson? Eventually they arrested him. I don't think that this surprised anyone ~ not even OJ! Your incessant posting of this is totally irrelevant to the murders of Nicole and Ron.

You have also not provided any evidence to support whether "Sydney and Justin were the first priority." WTH does that got to do with anything? Geez! GMAB!

The only thing you have done is to repost testimony from witnesses who had many months to come up with a story and to stick with it no matter what. You have not provided any evidence as to why the police's testimony and actions do not match up.

Blah Blah Blah ~ again, totally irrelevant to the murders of Nicole and Ron!

However, in thinking about Commander Bushy's order, he may be telling the truth about why he gave the order---because he already knew what the detectives knew---so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying.

Wow ~ "so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying." Wow! You finally came to that conclusion ~ after how many years now?

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by limakey

Wow ~ "so I guess technically, maybe he wasn't lying." Wow! You finally came to that conclusion ~ after how many years now?

JMO and MOO!!

I would like to say that a witness takes an oath to tell the WHOLE truth.

[William Anthony]

Sure. Referring to posters as lonely drunkard skanks isn't baiting. :rolleyes:

Evidently you see all kinds of things that aren't there. No one is "stalking" you or william. That's laughable.

Diva,

I do not care, if you stalk me or not. What I would question is why you never come out from the bushes.:)

[William Anthony]

:beer: Right on, Diva! Yeah, Quality People! He wouldn't know Quality People if they hit him square in the face! And, like you said, what kind of Quality People would want to associate with him? None. Nada. Zilch! Just consider all of the NG sources!

JMO and MOO!!

I would be happy to associate with you and Martin.

[William Anthony]

And aliens from outer space could have been the real killers.

bobaugust

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.

[martin II]

Oh my! what the item is doesn't matter -- the fact that the fibers matched does.

Just for grins, where do you think they got unpreserved blood to drop around in the lab?

take a look at the blood that Paretis could not account for that he took from
ojs arm using that syringe. He was never able to prove how much he took because there was no record made when he drew the blood.imo
martin II

[fbgweezer]

take a look at the blood that Paretis could not account for that he took from
ojs arm using that syringe. He was never able to prove how much he took because there was no record made when he drew the blood.imo
martin II

So LE took it back to Bundy and planted it, drove over to where the Bronco was and smeared it around (being sure to mix it with the victims' blood), went to Rockingham and dropped it going up his drive and in his entry, put some on top of the glove being sure to mix it with the victim's blood, dropped some on his socks being sure to mix it with Nicole's blood, and then, for the grand finale, LE found a pair of size 12 BM's (being sure that the wearer knew to walk pigeon-toed) -- put the victims' blood on the bottom, walked on the sidewalk while dropping orenthal's blood from the left (of course, who knew orenthal had cut himself on his left hand) -- and finally leaving a footprint in the Bronco in the victims' blood? Is that what you're saying?

[fbgweezer]

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.

oh we know -- the majority of the world knows: orenthal james simpson, the Butcher of Brentwood.

[William Anthony]

So LE took it back to Bundy and planted it, drove over to where the Bronco was and smeared it around (being sure to mix it with the victims' blood), went to Rockingham and dropped it going up his drive and in his entry, put some on top of the glove being sure to mix it with the victim's blood, dropped some on his socks being sure to mix it with Nicole's blood, and then, for the grand finale, LE found a pair of size 12 BM's (being sure that the wearer knew to walk pigeon-toed) -- put the victims' blood on the bottom, walked on the sidewalk while dropping orenthal's blood from the left (of course, who knew orenthal had cut himself on his left hand) -- and finally leaving a footprint in the Bronco in the victims' blood? Is that what you're saying?

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.
__________________

[William Anthony]

oh we know -- the majority of the world knows: orenthal james simpson, the Butcher of Brentwood.

The majority have an opinion, but to know, imo, is quite another animal.

[bobaugust]

We may never know due to the unprofessional, sloppy and contaminated manner in which the crime scenes were handled and the evidence was collected, and tested.
__________________

That's not true. The crime scene was not any more contaminated then other outdoor crime scenes, not handled any differently then other crime scenes before. To suggest that since every single piece of evidence in this case points to Simpson and only Simpson and none of it points to anyone else is due to contamination and supposed sloppy handling is nothing but an excuse to deny the reality of the evidence.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

That's not true. The crime scene was not any more contaminated then other outdoor crime scenes, not handled any differently then other crime scenes before. To suggest that since every single piece of evidence in this case points to Simpson and only Simpson and none of it points to anyone else is due to contamination and supposed sloppy handling is nothing but an excuse to deny the reality of the evidence.

bobaugust

That is not my suggestion at all; only that contamination cannot reasonably lead to a conviction. The fact that you think this crime scene was as contaminated as other outdoor crime scenes, suggests, imho, that there may be a lot of crimes that need to be reviewed. I am not denying the reality of the evidence, only questioning its weight.

[bobaugust]

That is not my suggestion at all; only that contamination cannot reasonably lead to a conviction. The fact that you think this crime scene was as contaminated as other outdoor crime scenes, suggests, imho, that there may be a lot of crimes that need to be reviewed. I am not denying the reality of the evidence, only questioning its weight.

I might agree with you if even one single piece of evidence pointed to someone other than Simpson. Every single drop of blood that was identified came from only three people, the two victims and Simpson. All of the relevant physical evidence pointed only to Simpson. None of it pointed to anyone else. Noting eliminated Simpson.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

I might agree with you if even one single piece of evidence pointed to someone other than Simpson. Every single drop of blood that was identified came from only three people, the two victims and Simpson. All of the relevant physical evidence pointed only to Simpson. None of it pointed to anyone else. Noting eliminated Simpson.

bobaugust

We have discussed the fact that he could have bled there on another occasion and that LE trampled through the scene without any protective clothing, and the injection of the blanket and the ease with which trace is transfered, missing blood, M socks, mistakes in the collection and at the lab. I cannot give the weight that you do to the evidence under those circumstances.

[bobaugust]

We have discussed the fact that he could have bled there on another occasion and that LE trampled through the scene without any protective clothing, and the injection of the blanket and the ease with which trace is transfered, missing blood, M socks, mistakes in the collection and at the lab. I cannot give the weight that you do to the evidence under those circumstances.

The reality of those suggestions has been explained. There is no evidence that Simpson previously bled at Bundy, in fact just the opposite based on Simpson's admission and the fact that the blood at the murder scene was fresh blood not old blood.

The blanket had nothing to do with any of the fiber evidence that was found on Ron, or the fiber evidence found at Rockingham. It would only have been connected to any fiber evidence found on Nicole.

Every claim that there was missing blood that was used to plant on evidence was proven false. There were no mistakes in the collection of evidence or at the lab that changed one single piece of evidence. The claims you offer are not credible, explained by reasonable explanations, and only excuses for some people to ignore the reality that all of the evidence in this case points to Simpson and only Simpson. None of it points to anyone else. Nothing eliminates Simpson.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

There is no evidence that Simpson previously bled at Bundy, in fact just the opposite based on Simpson's admission and the fact that the blood at the murder scene was fresh blood not old blood.

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bobaugust

Where is Classy, Limakey or Kate (smile)? We have previously discussed that I do not recall is not no I did not.

[bobaugust]

Where is Classy, Limakey or Kate (smile)? We have previously discussed that I do not recall is not no I did not.

I do not recall is not the important fact. The important fact is that he hadn't been at Nicole's for 5 days or a week prior to the murders and then only to pick up or drop off his kids. The blood drops found at Bundy were fresh blood and went from the victims up the long walkway to the rear of the condo, drops found on the rear gate and on the cement outside that gate.

Those drops started the blood trail that led from the victims to inside Simpson's house. Your argument that the drops could have been old blood is false.

bobaugust

[limakey]

2Late,

I must say, you are the first brave G to say and/or ask what difference does it make when the police suspected Simpson.

The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began.

Another reason why they had to lie on this issue was because Vanatter needed something to justifiy his search. Even though he was sited for "reckless disregard", he knew it would be enough to keep the search legal.

Think about it 2Late, if OJ Simpson was the killer, do you really think that he would have just gone back to Rockingham and waited for the police? The fact that the police went there, confirmed their natural beliefs, Simpson was the prime suspect, he left town trying to establish his alibi.

I agree with your one post, common sense tells you the police suspected Simpson, however, you haven't provided a "common sense" reason on why the police testified they didn't suspect Simpson. IMO.

[limakey]

William,

Why I agree with you that a witness is supposed to tell the whole truth, you must agree that lawyers, on both sides know how to ask a question where just a shade of the truth is acceptable.

However, if Bushy already knew through the "blue grapevine", he could given only one reason to go over to Rockingham. Yet, as Watch Commander, (and Fuhrman's comment to a watch commander makes total sense) he was only responsible for the patrol officers. I don't think his words carried the same weight with the detectives.

Didn't Fuhrman make a comment to a commander something about why he knew what the caused the wounds to Ron and Nicole when the watch commander didn't?

I know I asked you this before and I understand how you feel about Fuhrman but if you read his book, I think you will understand why I want you to read it. It is the biggest "FU" yet in this case, even bigger then Simpson's "FU" to the media when it came that book. IMO.

[bobaugust]

2Late,

I must say, you are the first brave G to say and/or ask what difference does it make when the police suspected Simpson.

The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began.

Another reason why they had to lie on this issue was because Vanatter needed something to justifiy his search. Even though he was sited for "reckless disregard", he knew it would be enough to keep the search legal.

Think about it 2Late, if OJ Simpson was the killer, do you really think that he would have just gone back to Rockingham and waited for the police? The fact that the police went there, confirmed their natural beliefs, Simpson was the prime suspect, he left town trying to establish his alibi.

I agree with your one post, common sense tells you the police suspected Simpson, however, you haven't provided a "common sense" reason on why the police testified they didn't suspect Simpson. IMO.

limakey, your reasoning is really screwed up. The police didn't know that Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. Your claim is pure baloney.

When they went to Bundy they were expecting Simpson to be there. That is the evidence in this case and no amount of pure fantasizing you continue to do changes that reality.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

2Late,

I must say, you are the first brave G to say and/or ask what difference does it make when the police suspected Simpson.

<snipped>IMO.

See Bob's post above! :rolleyes:

[William Anthony]

William,

Why I agree with you that a witness is supposed to tell the whole truth, you must agree that lawyers, on both sides know how to ask a question where just a shade of the truth is acceptable.

However, if Bushy already knew through the "blue grapevine", he could given only one reason to go over to Rockingham. Yet, as Watch Commander, (and Fuhrman's comment to a watch commander makes total sense) he was only responsible for the patrol officers. I don't think his words carried the same weight with the detectives.

Didn't Fuhrman make a comment to a commander something about why he knew what the caused the wounds to Ron and Nicole when the watch commander didn't?

I know I asked you this before and I understand how you feel about Fuhrman but if you read his book, I think you will understand why I want you to read it. It is the biggest "FU" yet in this case, even bigger then Simpson's "FU" to the media when it came that book. IMO.

Dear Limakey,

I was saying that the witness may not have told the whole truth. I do not know how much weight the detectives gave his words. Obviously not too much, until they had finished with their coffee and doughnuts. I do believe, that, as watch commander, he had control over all personnel on that watch.

[William Anthony]

limakey, your reasoning is really screwed up. The police didn't know that Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. Your claim is pure baloney.

When they went to Bundy they were expecting Simpson to be there. That is the evidence in this case and no amount of pure fantasizing you continue to do changes that reality.

bobaugust

If I might, there is nothing in Dear Limakey's post that states the police knew Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. I think that this may be another Freudian slip on your part.

[William Anthony]

I do not recall is not the important fact. The important fact is that he hadn't been at Nicole's for 5 days or a week prior to the murders and then only to pick up or drop off his kids. The blood drops found at Bundy were fresh blood and went from the victims up the long walkway to the rear of the condo, drops found on the rear gate and on the cement outside that gate.

Those drops started the blood trail that led from the victims to inside Simpson's house. Your argument that the drops could have been old blood is false.

bobaugust

I do not recall!!!! The claim that there were Blood drops leading from Bundy to inside Simpson's house is not true.

[martin II]

I do not recall!!!! The claim that there were Blood drops leading from Bundy to inside Simpson's house is not true.

wiliam
i think it was Dr Lee that said something like 'Too much blood where there should not be blood and not enough blood where there should be blood."

martin II

[socaldiva]

wiliam
i think it was Dr Lee that said something like 'Too much blood where there should not be blood and not enough blood where there should be blood."

martin II

Dr Lee should retire. He's become an embarrassment. imo

[William Anthony]

Dr Lee should retire. He's become an embarrassment. imo

Dear Diva,

He cannot help that those who feel the evidence proved Simpson was guilt are embarrased by his proficiency.

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

He cannot help that those who feel the evidence proved Simpson was guilt are embarrased by his proficiency.

Oh please. Like his proficiency for seeing another set of footprints & not knowing they were cast in cement? I've also seen him speak of other cases & have his facts wrong. He's turned into a bumbler.

[William Anthony]

Oh please. Like his proficiency for seeing another set of footprints & not knowing they were cast in cement? I've also seen him speak of other cases & have his facts wrong. He's turned into a bumbler.

Dear Diva,

As I recall there was some dispute as to whether or not they were cast in cement. Also, none of us are infallible, which does not mean that we are not more proficient in some areas than are others.

[socaldiva]

Dear Diva,

As I recall there was some dispute as to whether or not they were cast in cement. Also, none of us are infallible, which does not mean that we are not more proficient in some areas than are others.

As I recall they did turn out to be cast in cement & as I said, he's turned out to mis-speak in other cases. This is his field. If he's not proficient, he should retire.

[William Anthony]

As I recall they did turn out to be cast in cement & as I said, he's turned out to mis-speak in other cases. This is his field. If he's not proficient, he should retire.


Dear Diva,

We have a difference of recollection and, as I recall, the prosecution attempted to espouse that the shoeprint he identified were markings in the cement. This is your opinion that he is not proficient and I do believe he is still recognized and highly regarded in his field, although some do not like his testimony for some reasons.

[bobaugust]

I do not recall!!!! The claim that there were Blood drops leading from Bundy to inside Simpson's house is not true.

Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco.

Simpson's blood drops were found splattered around the inside of his Bronco, on the interior driver's door, on the instrument panel, on the steering wheel, as well as mixed with both victims blood on the center console.

Simpson's blood drops were found on the pavement behind the Bronco, on the cement just outside and inside his Rockingham gate, on Simpson driveway, and on his foyer floor.

That's the blood trail that leads from the victims to the inside of Simpson's house.

"I do not recall" bleeding said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found at Bundy. "Not that I'm aware of" said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found in his Bronco.

January 23, 1996 Simpson.
Q: And you weren't bleeding on her property. Is that true?
A: Not that day, certainly not, no.
Q: Well, some other day do you recall bleeding on the Bundy property?
A: I do recall at some point, and it may have been when we first got Kato, the dog, I do recall at one point Sydney and Justin getting me a--I don't know if it's Flintstones or something Band-Aid. I just don't recall when. That could have been months previous to this. I just don't recall.
Q: Well, did you cut yourself and were you dripping blood up the walkway at the Bundy property?
A: At that time? I don't know.
Q: At any time prior to June 12, 1994--
A: Not that I'm aware of.
Q: --did you ever drip blood up the Bundy walkway?
A: Not that I'm aware of
Q: Is it possible?
A: Anything's possible. But not that I'm aware of.

January 24, 1996 Simpson
Q: When you went to the Bronco to get the cell phone case and the windbreaker, did you bleed in the Bronco?
A: Not that I was aware of.
Q: Did you see any blood in the Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the cell phone case or the windbreaker?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on any of the garment bags that you were carrying or the luggage bags?
A: No.

Q: Did you see any blood on the foyer of your house -- of your entryway?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the driveway of your property?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood outside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Inside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood inside your bathroom in your bedroom?
A: On the 12th, no.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco.

Simpson's blood drops were found splattered around the inside of his Bronco, on the interior driver's door, on the instrument panel, on the steering wheel, as well as mixed with both victims blood on the center console.

Simpson's blood drops were found on the pavement behind the Bronco, on the cement just outside and inside his Rockingham gate, on Simpson driveway, and on his foyer floor.

That's the blood trail that leads from the victims to the inside of Simpson's house.

"I do not recall" bleeding said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found at Bundy. "Not that I'm aware of" said by a lying defendant does not change the fact that his blood was found in his Bronco.

Q: Well, did you cut yourself and were you dripping blood up the walkway at the Bundy property?
A: At that time? I don't know.
Q: At any time prior to June 12, 1994--
A: Not that I'm aware of.
Q: --did you ever drip blood up the Bundy walkway?
A: Not that I'm aware of
Q: Is it possible?
A: Anything's possible. But not that I'm aware of.

January 24, 1996 Simpson
Q: When you went to the Bronco to get the cell phone case and the windbreaker, did you bleed in the Bronco?
A: Not that I was aware of.
Q: Did you see any blood in the Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the cell phone case or the windbreaker?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on any of the garment bags that you were carrying or the luggage bags?
A: No.

Q: Did you see any blood on the foyer of your house -- of your entryway?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood on the driveway of your property?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood outside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Inside your Bronco?
A: No.
Q: Did you see any blood inside your bathroom in your bedroom?
A: On the 12th, no.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

The problems here are that no one saw the Bronco on Bundy where you claimed he parked it, and, I will assume you will say this is coincedence. Not that I am aware is not the same as no, nor is not seeing the same as saying I was not.

[bobaugust]

If I might, there is nothing in Dear Limakey's post that states the police knew Simpson was out of town when they went to Rockingham. I think that this may be another Freudian slip on your part.

No not a Freudian slip only your mistake of not knowing what limakey has previously posted. That's exactly what she has claimed.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

The problems here are that no one saw the Bronco on Bundy where you claimed he parked it, and, I will assume you will say this is coincedence. Not that I am aware is not the same as no, nor is not seeing the same as saying I was not.

Not where I claimed he parked it, where Simpson claimed he parked it.

The Bronco was first seen parked outside Simpson's Rockingham gate when the police arrived the in the early morning after the murders.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Not where I claimed he parked it, where Simpson claimed he parked it.

The Bronco was first seen parked outside Simpson's Rockingham gate when the police arrived the in the early morning after the murders.

bobaugust

bob

the bronco was also seen on rockingham at the time you think the killings occured by Mrs Rosa Lopez.
martin II

[William Anthony]

Not where I claimed he parked it, where Simpson claimed he parked it.

The Bronco was first seen parked outside Simpson's Rockingham gate when the police arrived the in the early morning after the murders.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."

[William Anthony]

No not a Freudian slip only your mistake of not knowing what limakey has previously posted. That's exactly what she has claimed.

bobaugust

This is the part of the Lovely Limakey's post to which I referred, "The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began." As you can see, even though I believe she intended to state, "The police knew early on", she did not say that the police knew he was in Chicago before they went to his residence.

[bobaugust]

This is the part of the Lovely Limakey's post to which I referred, "The reason why it makes a difference is because the police knew very early one what Simpson's alibi was going to be---they knew he wasn't home, they knew he was in Chicago. All they had to do was to find out what flight Simpson was on---that is where their timeline really began." As you can see, even though I believe she intended to state, "The police knew early on", she did not say that the police knew he was in Chicago before they went to his residence.

My response to limakey wasn't just about this last posting. This is an ongoing conversation I have been having with her for quite a while. Unless you have read her previous postings regarding this I can see why you took it as you did, but the fact is that limakey has claimed that the police somehow knew that Simpson was out of town before they went to Rockingham and that is the context that I took this posting to mean.

I'm sorry if you you misunderstood, but I assure you limakey didn't.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

bob

the bronco was also seen on rockingham at the time you think the killings occured by Mrs Rosa Lopez.
martin II

martin II, not true. Rosa Lopez testified the last time she saw the Bronco parked on Rockingham was shortly after 10:00 PM. The murders were committed after 10:30 PM.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

My response to limakey wasn't just about this last posting. This is an ongoing conversation I have been having with her for quite a while. Unless you have read her previous postings regarding this I can see why you took it as you did, but the fact is that limakey has claimed that the police somehow knew that Simpson was out of town before they went to Rockingham and that is the context that I took this posting to mean.

I'm sorry if you you misunderstood, but I assure you limakey didn't.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST

I am sure the lovely Limakey does understand your postings quite well. I, on the other hand, have trouble with them, as they are sometimes, imho, unclear as to what you are saying. I have found the lovely one to be quite articulate and, if I wrongly concluded that she meant before going to Rockingham, instead of early on, which she stated, then I apologize to both you and her.

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."

Yes, I do believe Simpson parked his Bronco on Rockingham when he returned from Bundy.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST

I am sure the lovely Limakey does understand your postings quite well. I, on the other hand, have trouble with them, as they are sometimes, imho, unclear as to what you are saying. I have found the lovely one to be quite articulate and, if I wrongly concluded that she meant before going to Rockingham, instead of early on, which she stated, then I apologize to both you and her.

Thank you. Although I consider being called brilliant a compliment it's obvious that you are using it to be facetious. Please do not put any names in front of my name when you address me. We are still trying to be civil to each other, are we not?

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Thank you. Although I consider being called brilliant a compliment it's obvious that you are using it to be facetious. Please do not put any names in front of my name when you address me. We are still trying to be civil to each other, are we not?

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Yes, I am engaging in civility and was not being facetious. I admire the dedication with which you follow your convictions and have done a more than admirable job of defending your position. However, if you wish me not to refer to you in that manner, I will abide by your wishes. You have placed some good arguments in support of your position, imho. I really did not mean it derrogatorily and wonder, if you have considered or were LE.

[William Anthony]

Yes, I do believe Simpson parked his Bronco on Rockingham when he returned from Bundy.

bobaugust

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

I will call you that only until I have received futher word that you do not want me to, after my prior post. Here is your post and you meant Bundy as you stated, not Rockingham.

Quote:
Originally Posted by William Anthony
BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."
bobaugust

[martin II]

martin II, not true. Rosa Lopez testified the last time she saw the Bronco parked on Rockingham was shortly after 10:00 PM. The murders were committed after 10:30 PM.

bobaugust

shortly after 10:00 can be 10;15 10;20 10;25
martin ii

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

I will call you that only until I have received futher word that you do not want me to, after my prior post. Here is your post and you meant Bundy as you stated, not Rockingham.

Quote:
Originally Posted by William Anthony
BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Simpson claimed he was not there and here is what you posted, "Of course it's true. Simpson's blood drops were found near the bodies, on the walkway at Bundy, on the rear gate at Bundy, and on the cement outside the rear gate at Bundy where Simpson would have parked his Bronco."
bobaugust

Sorry, my mistake. I did misread your post and thought you were referring to Rockingham.

You are correct no one did see Simpsons Bronco parked behind Nicole's condo. The police saw the killer's bloody shoe prints going to the rear of the condo before they faded out. They also saw the killer's blood drops along the walkway on the rear gate and on the cement outside the rear gate. They also found some loose change on the cement outside the rear gate.

The police believed and not unreasonably so that the killer had parked his vehicle behind Nicole's condo and his bloody shoe prints and blood drops were evidence when he left he returned to his car there. The loose change on the ground may have been dropped when the killer reached into his pocket to get his keys.

Robert Heidstra testified that about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he saw a white jeep like vehicle on Dorothy St. turn onto Bundy and speed away. That would be consistent with it coming from the alley behind Nicole's condo.

Please do not put names in front of my name when you address me.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Sorry, my mistake. I did misread your post and thought you were referring to Rockingham.

You are correct no one did see Simpsons Bronco parked behind Nicole's condo. The police saw the killer's bloody shoe prints going to the rear of the condo before they faded out. They also saw the killer's blood drops along the walkway on the rear gate and on the cement outside the rear gate. They also found some loose change on the cement outside the rear gate.

The police believed and not unreasonably so that the killer had parked his vehicle behind Nicole's condo and his bloody shoe prints and blood drops were evidence when he left he returned to his car there. The loose change on the ground may have been dropped when the killer reached into his pocket to get his keys.

Robert Heidstra testified that about five minutes after he heard the two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he saw a white jeep like vehicle on Dorothy St. turn onto Bundy and speed away. That would be consistent with it coming from the alley behind Nicole's condo.

Please do not put names in front of my name when you address me.

bobaugust

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

[bobaugust]

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

Will do or will not do what?

The evidence is that the killer parked his vehicle behind Nicole's condo. The killer would have needed a key to open the rear gate. A missing key to that gate was later found in Simpson's possession. When the first patrol officers saw that gate it was unlatched and slightly ajar.

A minute or so after Heidstra saw the white jeep like vehicle speed away from the murder scene, Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding Bronco when he ran a red light at San Vicente and Bundy nearly hitting her.

I don't believe it unreasonable to say that Simpson had parked his Bronco in the alley behind Nicole's condo based on all of the evidence that points to that fact.

The color of different blood found doesn't impeach any witness. I'm surprised that you can't seem to understand the difference between fresh blood drops and a dry blood smear.

I also can't understand why you continue to say that Simpson injured himself reaching in his car or before looking for his cell phone or accessories when Simpson completely denies it. We know Simpson lied about even going to his Bronco before leaving for the airport so maybe you think he's also lying when he denied he cut himself, right?

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

BRILLIANT BOBAUGUST,

Yes, I am engaging in civility and was not being facetious. I admire the dedication with which you follow your convictions and have done a more than admirable job of defending your position. However, if you wish me not to refer to you in that manner, I will abide by your wishes. You have placed some good arguments in support of your position, imho. I really did not mean it derrogatorily and wonder, if you have considered or were LE.

I'm not really sure how to take your compliments, but thank you. Yes, I do wish you not put names in front of my name when you address me. No, I never seriously considered LE as a career.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Will do or will not do, which is correct? In any event, the problem is that there is no evidence that his Bronco was parked on Bundy and contradictory evidence about the color of the blood drops. This would seem to me to impeach the DF and lend credibility that Simpson injured himself that night reaching into the car or before lookiong for his cell phone and accessories.

There was no parking allowed on "Bundy" and even if there was, do you honestly think that OJ is going to "park" his Bronco there on the night of the murders for one and all to see? Duh! No! OJ "parked" his Bronco at the only logical place that he could. In the alley behind Nicole's Condo where it wouldn't be so noticeable. Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

The color of different blood found doesn't impeach any witness. I'm surprised that you can't seem to understand the difference between fresh blood drops and a dry blood smear.

<snipped>

bobaugust

Bob, how can you be surprised? Only if something points directly towards the innocence of OJ Simpson will WA and all of the other NG's completely understand. If something points to OJ's guilt, they "all of a sudden" just don't understand anything and will argue the point, ad nauseum!

JMO and MOO!!

[martin II]

no witness saw oj Bronco parked in the alley behind nicoles condo and Ms Stein lived right next door to nicole. Heidstra says he saw a white colored suv turn right from Dorothy onto Bundy which is in the opposite direction of oj's rockingham estate.(maby oj forgot which direction his house was) It was reported that white suv's were a popular vehicle in the brentwood community.So the suv that Heidstra says he saw a half block away from bundy could have belonged to anyone. But the bottom line is that no one saw oj or his bronco at bundy on 6/12. some would say he MUST HAVE BEEN THEREor HE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE it means nothing. jmo imo
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

...it means nothing. jmo imo

martin II

Yeah, just like all of your ridiculous posts, speculations, theories, fantasies, imaginations and wagnerisms, etc., etc. :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

William Anthony,

In Robert Shapiro's book, he says that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station to find out where Simpson was.

Also, it has been written that Sydeny Simpson made some statements while in the squad car and at the police station. If she just blurted out this information, then I don't believe the police were obligated to turn any of this information over.

However, it does appear that around 5:00 a.m., Sydney was asked for a telephone number of relative who they could call, she gave Arnelle's phone number. The fact that she gave her sister's number rather then her father's tells us that she knew where her father was--out of town.

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

While I believe Fuhrman is a race challenged person, that does not mean that Fuhrman did not know the law. We have heard for years and years, even if he is and/or was a racist, that does not mean he was horrible at his job. His shrink reports and performance reports were constantly laced with the same type comment, Fuhrman's desire to be in on the big bust. He was in his 19th year on the force, what could be a higher profile case?

From his own words, he constantly complains how many times he was one of the last detectives to arrive, yet he ended being the one who had to take charge, that only he had the strength or sense of duty to make calls that those above would not make.

For some bizarre reason, there are some G's who think it was a crime or it was just plain wrong for the cops to suspect Simpson--if these cops didn't suspect Simpson, then they are not only incompentant, but are also totally ignorant when conducting an investigation.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them. Because of Rosa Lopez and Brad Roberts is why I believe at least two detectives went to Rockingham before they testified to it. The detectives going to Rockingham within even 40 minutes of when the bodies were discovered still would have been a legal search.

Don't forget William, the detectives said they saw a light on in the home, therefore lending creedence that someone should have been inside the home. Well wouldn't that light have been easier to see at night?

There were also the blacked out entries of the cops cell phone records during this time---why were they blacked out?

IMO, the reason why they waited so long is because they knew Simpson wasn't home and knew that there were blood drops leading to the estate. Dawn would provide a better reason for discovery rather then a flashlight.

William, if you were a detective on this case and you went to Rockingham within an hour after the bodies were found, would you have been more convinced were "prime suspect" feelings were convinced when you knew they weren't home? Mr. Simpson would not be the first person who have committed a murder and use the alibi they were out of town or on their way out of town.

Another reason why I'm convinced the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early on was Vanatter's warrant. While most people think that his mistake was harmless, about the blood being human blood, forget that wasn't the reason why he was cited---it was because he said the drops he saw at that time were human---which was later proved true by the techs---one problem, when he wrote that, the test hadn't even been conducted yet. No one would fault him for believing it was human blood--just follow the drops, but to lie about a test being conducted when it wasn't, well that is a whole new ballgame, IMO.

[limakey]

Martin,

Do you know the distance between the carport and the blood that was found on a wire? It is very possible that Petrocelli might have wanted to give the impression that if Simpson was willing to climb a fence, maybe he was looking to use the various roofs on his estate to escape detection. Just a thought.

[martin II]

William Anthony,

In Robert Shapiro's book, he says that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station to find out where Simpson was.

Also, it has been written that Sydeny Simpson made some statements while in the squad car and at the police station. If she just blurted out this information, then I don't believe the police were obligated to turn any of this information over.

However, it does appear that around 5:00 a.m., Sydney was asked for a telephone number of relative who they could call, she gave Arnelle's phone number. The fact that she gave her sister's number rather then her father's tells us that she knew where her father was--out of town.

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

While I believe Fuhrman is a race challenged person, that does not mean that Fuhrman did not know the law. We have heard for years and years, even if he is and/or was a racist, that does not mean he was horrible at his job. His shrink reports and performance reports were constantly laced with the same type comment, Fuhrman's desire to be in on the big bust. He was in his 19th year on the force, what could be a higher profile case?

From his own words, he constantly complains how many times he was one of the last detectives to arrive, yet he ended being the one who had to take charge, that only he had the strength or sense of duty to make calls that those above would not make.

For some bizarre reason, there are some G's who think it was a crime or it was just plain wrong for the cops to suspect Simpson--if these cops didn't suspect Simpson, then they are not only incompentant, but are also totally ignorant when conducting an investigation.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them. Because of Rosa Lopez and Brad Roberts is why I believe at least two detectives went to Rockingham before they testified to it. The detectives going to Rockingham within even 40 minutes of when the bodies were discovered still would have been a legal search.

Don't forget William, the detectives said they saw a light on in the home, therefore lending creedence that someone should have been inside the home. Well wouldn't that light have been easier to see at night?

There were also the blacked out entries of the cops cell phone records during this time---why were they blacked out?

IMO, the reason why they waited so long is because they knew Simpson wasn't home and knew that there were blood drops leading to the estate. Dawn would provide a better reason for discovery rather then a flashlight.

William, if you were a detective on this case and you went to Rockingham within an hour after the bodies were found, would you have been more convinced were "prime suspect" feelings were convinced when you knew they weren't home? Mr. Simpson would not be the first person who have committed a murder and use the alibi they were out of town or on their way out of town.

Another reason why I'm convinced the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early on was Vanatter's warrant. While most people think that his mistake was harmless, about the blood being human blood, forget that wasn't the reason why he was cited---it was because he said the drops he saw at that time were human---which was later proved true by the techs---one problem, when he wrote that, the test hadn't even been conducted yet. No one would fault him for believing it was human blood--just follow the drops, but to lie about a test being conducted when it wasn't, well that is a whole new ballgame, IMO.


limakey
thanks for this most informative post.

Actually for some time i believed that furhman made a trip to Rockingham before the four of them went to 'NOTIFY' oj imo jmo
martin II

[bobaugust]

no witness saw oj Bronco parked in the alley behind nicoles condo and Ms Stein lived right next door to nicole. Heidstra says he saw a white colored suv turn right from Dorothy onto Bundy which is in the opposite direction of oj's rockingham estate.(maby oj forgot which direction his house was) It was reported that white suv's were a popular vehicle in the brentwood community.So the suv that Heidstra says he saw a half block away from bundy could have belonged to anyone. But the bottom line is that no one saw oj or his bronco at bundy on 6/12. some would say he MUST HAVE BEEN THEREor HE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE it means nothing. jmo imo
martin II

No witness saw any vehicle parked behind Nicole's condo during the 15 to 20 minutes it was there. That's not evidence that it wasn't there.

About five minutes after Heidstra said he heard two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he said he saw a white Jeep like vehicle, with tinted windows, turn from Dorothy onto Bundy and speed away. Simpson didn't forget which direction his house was. He turned right to avoid his dog who may have been coming towards him, or to simply not drive by the front of Nicole's condo where he left two dead bodies and the front gate open. Simpson simply circled the block returning to Bundy north of Nicole's condo and then to San Vicente where he ran a red light nearly colliding with Jill Shively.

I'm sorry but your comments are what mean nothing but it's nice to see you finally understand that Simpson driving his white Bronco to Bundy is not as ridiculous as you have argued in the past. You never could seem to understand that before. Good for you.

bobaugust

[jotun]

shortly after 10:00 can be 10;15 10;20 10;25
martin ii

Martin,
Also, was parked the same way the next day.That Bronco NEVER moved.Johnnie said in court that the DA's took all the security tapes from the neighbors.
IFFFF it had moved we would have seen it moving in court.
jotun

[bobaugust]

Martin,

Do you know the distance between the carport and the blood that was found on a wire? It is very possible that Petrocelli might have wanted to give the impression that if Simpson was willing to climb a fence, maybe he was looking to use the various roofs on his estate to escape detection. Just a thought.

limakey, Petrocelli wasn't trying to give any impression when he asked these questions. He asked them during Jason's deposition not in front of a jury. Petrocelli was simply exploring possibilities and learning what witnesses knew.

bobaugust

[martin II]

LIMAKEY

I should know this but i don't.
was the lapd "murder book" covering this case entered into evidence?

martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

According to Stephen Singular's book, his source said that Fuhrman did argue with his partner and it wasn't Ron Phillips. IMO, the DA's and LAPD were more then happy to have the public and the jurors believe that at least, in this cause, Phillips and Fuhrman were partners.

I find it odd that Fuhrman went to Rosa Lopez about what she saw and heard that night but never made a report. IMO, Roberts never testified because of this. Roberts might have argued the law on this, that there is no reason to hide this, or he was afraid that Lopez could have identified him, or he knew Fuhrman planted the glove and he was totally uncomfortable with this.

It makes no sense to me that Roberts never testified and it seemed to me that when Fuhrman went on his book tour, he couldn't say this guy's name enough. IMO.

[jotun]

Martin,
Also, was parked the same way the next day.That Bronco NEVER moved.Johnnie said in court that the DA's took all the security tapes from the neighbors.
IFFFF it had moved we would have seen it moving in court.
jotun

Martin,
Johnnie also stated in court.That a few people had seen that Bronco that night.But were threatened by the DA's because they were illegals.

jotun

[martin II]

why did le have to ask sydne for a family members telephone number when oj's and the browns numbers were listed on the message board next to the telephone in nicoles kitchen. One of the detectives used this phone to make a call or calls.imo

However it may be that they DID call oj's house from nicoles phone and got NO answer.imo jmo
martin II

[limakey]

Mr. August,

Why would Simpson try to avoid his dog, I'm not sure I understand your point on this.

[limakey]

Martin,

IMO, I believe that Simpson's house was called many times before the police went over there, which IMO, would have gone hand and hand with Bushy's order. "Of course we went to Rockingham, we called over and over again, no one answered, of couse were concerned."

Another interesting point, why did Vanatter and Lange ask Simpson about Nicole's maid, her live in status and if she was on duty that night but never asked one question about his maid--the same maid they used to justifiy their entrance to the estate.

While it appears to me that in CA, if you are live-in help, you can only be murdered in room. However, you think they would have at least made a half hearted attempt to look for other victims on the estate.

[martin II]

Martin,

According to Stephen Singular's book, his source said that Fuhrman did argue with his partner and it wasn't Ron Phillips. IMO, the DA's and LAPD were more then happy to have the public and the jurors believe that at least, in this cause, Phillips and Fuhrman were partners.

I find it odd that Fuhrman went to Rosa Lopez about what she saw and heard that night but never made a report. IMO, Roberts never testified because of this. Roberts might have argued the law on this, that there is no reason to hide this, or he was afraid that Lopez could have identified him, or he knew Fuhrman planted the glove and he was totally uncomfortable with this.

It makes no sense to me that Roberts never testified and it seemed to me that when Fuhrman went on his book tour, he couldn't say this guy's name enough. IMO.

limakey

On the geraldo show last month Furhman said several times that Brad Phillips found most of the evidence in the case including the blood drops in the rockingham driveway that Vanhatter said he found. Vanhatter turned red faced and declared that furhman was wrong that he,vanhatter,had found the drops inside the rockingham gate.

If furhmans account was true then it is more than strange that Brad Phillips was not allowed to testify. I think that Rosa Lopez testiony about the bronco being at rockingham after 10:00pm was true. I think that le got to her friend
and forced her to go against Lopezs story. Mby she had some immagration problems but as soon as they could they left the country. At least Lopez did.

The other question is who was it that Lopez heard on oj's property at about 12:00 midnight on 6/12. On a still night at about 10;00 pm with little or no traffic. it would be easy to hear voices from the sallingers propery to oj's as the houses were not that far apart.
Which lead me to ask why Park says he did not hear that bronco drive up in a hurry and park. If it did. The ashford gate was not really that far from the Rockingha gate.
martin II

[martin II]

Martin,
Johnnie also stated in court.That a few people had seen that Bronco that night.But were threatened by the DA's because they were illegals.

jotun

jotun

darden was good at making immagration threats to witnesses. He did it to Heidstra.
martinII

[martin II]

limakey
the salingers carport was almost flush against the wire fense. Not sure where you are talking about when you say blood on the wire.

martin II

[martin II]

Martin,
Also, was parked the same way the next day.That Bronco NEVER moved.Johnnie said in court that the DA's took all the security tapes from the neighbors.
IFFFF it had moved we would have seen it moving in court.
jotun

jouton
le puit the squeeze on Lopez and her friend and maby on that guy that was supose to be walking his dog at rockingham and said he did not see the bronco ( that he was not looking for) hahaha
martin II

[limakey]

Martin,

IMO, her most important testimony was about what she heard that night and not seeing the Bronco as well as Fuhrman interviewing her. Again, even if she did see the Bronco at 10:00 or a little after, doesn't eliminate Simpson.

[bobaugust]

William Anthony,

In Robert Shapiro's book, he says that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station to find out where Simpson was.

Also, it has been written that Sydeny Simpson made some statements while in the squad car and at the police station. If she just blurted out this information, then I don't believe the police were obligated to turn any of this information over.

However, it does appear that around 5:00 a.m., Sydney was asked for a telephone number of relative who they could call, she gave Arnelle's phone number. The fact that she gave her sister's number rather then her father's tells us that she knew where her father was--out of town.

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them. Because of Rosa Lopez and Brad Roberts is why I believe at least two detectives went to Rockingham before they testified to it. The detectives going to Rockingham within even 40 minutes of when the bodies were discovered still would have been a legal search.

Don't forget William, the detectives said they saw a light on in the home, therefore lending creedence that someone should have been inside the home. Well wouldn't that light have been easier to see at night?

IMO, the reason why they waited so long is because they knew Simpson wasn't home and knew that there were blood drops leading to the estate. Dawn would provide a better reason for discovery rather then a flashlight.

Another reason why I'm convinced the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early on was Vanatter's warrant. While most people think that his mistake was harmless, about the blood being human blood, forget that wasn't the reason why he was cited---it was because he said the drops he saw at that time were human---which was later proved true by the techs---one problem, when he wrote that, the test hadn't even been conducted yet. No one would fault him for believing it was human blood--just follow the drops, but to lie about a test being conducted when it wasn't, well that is a whole new ballgame, IMO.

limakey, you sure have a knack for fantasy.

Please post the page number where Shapiro wrote that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station fo find out where Simpson was.

You have no idea what Sydney said, you either make things up or quote rumors as fact.

Of course Vannatter knew that Simpson had contact with Nicole the day before. He would have learned that from Kaelin or Arnelle.

There was no reason to suspect Simpson except for the fact that he was an ex spouse. That is not evidence that he was the killer. It wasn't until the glove was found on his property and the blood drops were seen on his driveway that Simpson became a strong suspect.

Nothing Rosa Lopez said implicated any police officers being at Simpson's estate before the four detectives arrived. Your belief that 40 minutes after the bodies were found a legal search could have been made is contradicted by the reality of what actually happened.

The bodies were found by patrol officers at 12:17 AM. Sergeant Rossi, the watch commander called and woke Phillips up at about one o'clock in the morning on June 13. Phillips then called Fuhrman and requested he meet him at the West LA station. Phillips called Roberts and asked him to pick up his unit and meet him at the station. He also called Detective Nolan and told him to meet Roberts at the station. Fuhrman arrived about 2:00 AM. He and Phillips then drove to Bundy.

When the police arrived at Rockingham it was still dark outside and there were lights on in the house. That's the reason they were so concerned why no one was answering the gate bell. When they obtained Simpson's telephone number from Westec they were told that there should have been a live in housekeeper there. When no one answered the telephone their concern increased.

Your claim that the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early because of what he wrote on the search warrant doesn't make any sense. The fact is that when Vannatter wrote that search warrant he did know Simpson was out of town.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

limakey

On the geraldo show last month Furhman said several times that Brad Phillips found most of the evidence in the case including the blood drops in the rockingham driveway that Vanhatter said he found. Vanhatter turned red faced and declared that furhman was wrong that he,vanhatter,had found the drops inside the rockingham gate.

If furhmans account was true then it is more than strange that Brad Phillips was not allowed to testify. I think that Rosa Lopez testiony about the bronco being at rockingham after 10:00pm was true. I think that le got to her friend
and forced her to go against Lopezs story. Mby she had some immagration problems but as soon as they could they left the country. At least Lopez did.

The other question is who was it that Lopez heard on oj's property at about 12:00 midnight on 6/12. On a still night at about 10;00 pm with little or no traffic. it would be easy to hear voices from the sallingers propery to oj's as the houses were not that far apart.
Which lead me to ask why Park says he did not hear that bronco drive up in a hurry and park. If it did. The ashford gate was not really that far from the Rockingha gate.
martin II

martin II, you're getting screwed up. Phillips was not the one who didn't testify, Brad Roberts was.

I already explained to you that when Roberts and Fuhrman first saw the blood on the driveway it was after they returned from Bundy, after Fuhrman checked the glove there to see it it was a match to the Rockingham glove and then had it photographed.

While Fuhrman was at Bundy, it started getting light outside and Vannatter had seen the blood on the Rockingham drive and followed it to out the Rockingham gate to the Bronco. That's why when Roberts and Fuhrman saw the blood the Rockingham gate had been put in the manual mode and they were able to simply push it open to enter the estate and follow the blood drops.

No one got to Rosa Lopez, she told the truth despite what the defense wanted her to say although she tried to help Simpson as much as she could saying that when she saw the Bronco it was parked the same way crime scene photographs show it parked the next morning.

The voices and a car door slamming Lopez heard could have come from the street about 12:00 AM. Lopez said she heard Simpson's dog barking about 12:30, 12:40. There is no evidence what she said she heard had anything to do with the bodies that hadn't even been discovered at that time. Nor did it have anything to do with what Park could have heard or not heard sitting in his limousine at the Ashford gate talking on the phone.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

Why would Simpson try to avoid his dog, I'm not sure I understand your point on this.

limakey, it's possible that Simpson's dog tried to follow him. The bloody paw prints show that the dog went out the front gate and went towards Dorothy St. before fading out on Dorothy St. When Simpson came down Dorothy St. Maybe Simpson saw his dog coming towards him so he turned right on Bundy, and sped away.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

<snipped>

While Vanatter remained steadfast during the trial and after, until his book, that Simpson was not a suspect. He later changes his tune that anyone who talked to Nicole in the last 48 hours (or 72) was a "potential suspect". Even by his own words, he is saying that he knew OJ and Nicole had contact within this time frame, which only the children could have told him this.

<snipped>

For some bizarre reason, there are some G's who think it was a crime or it was just plain wrong for the cops to suspect Simpson--if these cops didn't suspect Simpson, then they are not only incompentant, but are also totally ignorant when conducting an investigation.

What do the stats say? The spouse or the ex is always the first suspect, even if it is just to eliminate them...

<snipped>IMO.

CSL Website: ~ Notorious Murders/Famous Murders

Bloody Sunday at Brentwood

"Being the ex-husband and therefore closely connected to Nicole, O.J. Simpson was a potential suspect from the very beginning; however as there was no evidence at this time that directly linked him to the scene of the crime, he was not an actual suspect. There would be much made of this subtle difference in the months ahead."

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

2Late,

When Vanatter realized that he would be forever shunned and made fun for his, "Mr. Simpson was no more of a suspect then you were Mr. Shapiro", he knew he had to come with something. I'll give Vanatter credit, he has taken a junk because of Mark Fuhrman. But then again, Mark Fuhrman has him by the balls, doesn't he? Seems Marky Mark loves having people by the balls.

To feel sorry for Mark Fuhrman is totally insane, he has more power now then he ever had on the force and he knows it.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

Your fantasy world must have gotten another blizzard---worse then Denver's!

It is amazing to read just how gullible you are when it comes to domestic violence, police misconduct, the law and what it truly mean to serve and protect.

IMO, there is more then enough evidence to suggest that what I'm saying is true. Reality check Mr. August, "speculation" is a detective's job. Base on "speculation" they knew Simpson was the prime suspect, they knew time was of the essence and they knew, even if wrong they had to act fast. Their motives never would have been questioned had the blood be found before 5:00 a.m. or the glove. Face it Mr. August, if you are so convince that no evidence was planted, then that same evidence would had been there between 12:00 and 3:00 a.m. No one ever contradicted with Rosa Lopez testified to. Fuhrman was caught, she remembered him.

[martin II]

limakey
if nicole did talk to her mother at 11 pm then oj did not kill her. this leaves open the possibility that she was killed sometimes after 11pm.
now could someone have broken into ojs house and stole the shoes, cap and glove??
i don't remember exacly what time the bodies were found. was it after 12 midnight? just a thought.
martin II

[William Anthony]

William Anthony,



William, if you were a detective on this case and you went to Rockingham within an hour after the bodies were found, would you have been more convinced were "prime suspect" feelings were convinced when you knew they weren't home? Mr. Simpson would not be the first person who have committed a murder and use the alibi they were out of town or on their way out of town.

IMO.

Lovely Limakey,

I do hate snipping your posts, as they are so well written. If I was a detective, and, in this case, had a suspicion that the female victim was Simpson's ex-wife and the children his, I would have immediately informed my superiors and suggested contacting Simpson.

[William Anthony]

limakey, you sure have a knack for fantasy.

Please post the page number where Shapiro wrote that Fuhrman and Phillips called the station fo find out where Simpson was.

You have no idea what Sydney said, you either make things up or quote rumors as fact.

Of course Vannatter knew that Simpson had contact with Nicole the day before. He would have learned that from Kaelin or Arnelle.

There was no reason to suspect Simpson except for the fact that he was an ex spouse. That is not evidence that he was the killer. It wasn't until the glove was found on his property and the blood drops were seen on his driveway that Simpson became a strong suspect.

Nothing Rosa Lopez said implicated any police officers being at Simpson's estate before the four detectives arrived. Your belief that 40 minutes after the bodies were found a legal search could have been made is contradicted by the reality of what actually happened.

The bodies were found by patrol officers at 12:17 AM. Sergeant Rossi, the watch commander called and woke Phillips up at about one o'clock in the morning on June 13. Phillips then called Fuhrman and requested he meet him at the West LA station. Phillips called Roberts and asked him to pick up his unit and meet him at the station. He also called Detective Nolan and told him to meet Roberts at the station. Fuhrman arrived about 2:00 AM. He and Phillips then drove to Bundy.

When the police arrived at Rockingham it was still dark outside and there were lights on in the house. That's the reason they were so concerned why no one was answering the gate bell. When they obtained Simpson's telephone number from Westec they were told that there should have been a live in housekeeper there. When no one answered the telephone their concern increased.

Your claim that the detectives knew Simpson was out of town very early because of what he wrote on the search warrant doesn't make any sense. The fact is that when Vannatter wrote that search warrant he did know Simpson was out of town.

bobaugust

This is if you believe the testimony without considering their demeanor when giving it and placing yourself in their position. I guess what I am saying is having blind faith.

[William Anthony]

Will do or will not do what?


A minute or so after Heidstra saw the white jeep like vehicle speed away from the murder scene, Jill Shively encountered Simpson's speeding Bronco when he ran a red light at San Vicente and Bundy nearly hitting her.


The color of different blood found doesn't impeach any witness. I'm surprised that you can't seem to understand the difference between fresh blood drops and a dry blood smear.

snipped
bobaugust

You seem to have leftout that Heidstra testifed the vehicle saw went in the direction opposite from going to Simpson's home and therefore, Shivey was mistaken in her testimony or Heidsta was. I do not think the MF testified to the blood being a smear but rather a small drop. The reason that you cannot credit the fact that Simpson could have cut his finger/hand, reaching into the vehicle before the time of the murders, despite the coloration telling you that it happened in that way, is because it does not adhere to the testimony regarding the directionalilty of the blood drops found at Bundy, which would tend to exonerate Simpson and tend to show that he could have bled there on some date prior to the murders, imho.

[William Anthony]

limakey, it's possible that Simpson's dog tried to follow him. The bloody paw prints show that the dog went out the front gate and went towards Dorothy St. before fading out on Dorothy St. When Simpson came down Dorothy St. Maybe Simpson saw his dog coming towards him so he turned right on Bundy, and sped away.

bobaugust

You must not have ever raised a dog. Are you saying the dog stopped following, because he realized Simpson was not going home?

[William Anthony]

There was no parking allowed on "Bundy" and even if there was, do you honestly think that OJ is going to "park" his Bronco there on the night of the murders for one and all to see? Duh! No! OJ "parked" his Bronco at the only logical place that he could. In the alley behind Nicole's Condo where it wouldn't be so noticeable. Duh! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

So, you disagree with Bobaugust. The fact is no one saw a Bronco parked anywhere near the residence. If the blood led to Bundy as Bobaugust posts and I state that someone should have seen the Bronco, you then disagree and say it was in the alleyway. If it does not fit, do not force it; just relax and let it go.

[William Anthony]

Bob, how can you be surprised? Only if something points directly towards the innocence of OJ Simpson will WA and all of the other NG's completely understand. If something points to OJ's guilt, they "all of a sudden" just don't understand anything and will argue the point, ad nauseum!

JMO and MOO!!

What I do not understandis why people try to change testimony, and there are those who rely heavily on it, when someone comes up with a contradiction/inconsistency in the testimonies of two witnesses.

[William Anthony]

No witness saw any vehicle parked behind Nicole's condo during the 15 to 20 minutes it was there. That's not evidence that it wasn't there.

About five minutes after Heidstra said he heard two male voices coming from Nicole's condo he said he saw a white Jeep like vehicle, with tinted windows, turn from Dorothy onto Bundy and speed away. Simpson didn't forget which direction his house was. He turned right to avoid his dog who may have been coming towards him, or to simply not drive by the front of Nicole's condo where he left two dead bodies and the front gate open. Simpson simply circled the block returning to Bundy north of Nicole's condo and then to San Vicente where he ran a red light nearly colliding with Jill Shively.

I'm sorry but your comments are what mean nothing but it's nice to see you finally understand that Simpson driving his white Bronco to Bundy is not as ridiculous as you have argued in the past. You never could seem to understand that before. Good for you.

bobaugust

Or it could have been a white jeep driven by the real killer, someone other than Simpson, who was making his escape, while fleeing the dog.

[martin II]

bob
i thought the bodies were found by a neighbor. not Rossi
martin II

[martin II]

william

the moment the detectives realized that the dead woman was nicole simpson
(furhman certainly knew what she looked like from past calls to rockingham)
furhman informed all of them at bundy, that oj was the husband and
therefore the first suspect.

This belief is what led them to decide it was best that all four went to rockingham. It has been reported that furhman saw himself as nicoles personal cop and furhman himself reported that mixed couples deserved as much static as he could give.

The u.s. military only sends one person to make notification of the death of a soldier why was it necessary for vanhatter to think four was required. This is just another lie that can be added to the list of other lies. imo
jmo
martin II

[William Anthony]

william

the moment the detectives realized that the dead woman was nicole simpson
(furhman certainly knew what she looked like from past calls to rockingham)
furhman informed all of them at bundy, that oj was the husband and
therefore the first suspect.

This belief is what led them to decide it was best that all four went to rockingham. It has been reported that furhman saw himself as nicoles personal cop and furhman himself reported that mixed couples deserved as much static as he could give.

The u.s. military only sends one person to make notification of the death of a soldier why was it necessary for vanhatter to think four was required. This is just another lie that can be added to the list of other lies. imo
jmo
martin II

Machismo Martin.

Do you not think it would have been a boost to all the careers of the officers involved in bringing down Simpson in a quick and thorough manner?

[bobaugust]

Mr. August,

Your fantasy world must have gotten another blizzard---worse then Denver's!

It is amazing to read just how gullible you are when it comes to domestic violence, police misconduct, the law and what it truly mean to serve and protect.

IMO, there is more then enough evidence to suggest that what I'm saying is true. Reality check Mr. August, "speculation" is a detective's job. Base on "speculation" they knew Simpson was the prime suspect, they knew time was of the essence and they knew, even if wrong they had to act fast. Their motives never would have been questioned had the blood be found before 5:00 a.m. or the glove. Face it Mr. August, if you are so convince that no evidence was planted, then that same evidence would had been there between 12:00 and 3:00 a.m. No one ever contradicted with Rosa Lopez testified to. Fuhrman was caught, she remembered him.

limakey, I see. Reality to you is what you imagined happened.

I'm sorry but your reality is only based on a twisted imagination and is contradicted by all of the testimony given about this event in two trials. The only people who make the claims you make are police hating fanatics.

Of course the evidence was at Rockingham between 3:00 and 5:00. That fact does nothing to support your claims. Rosa Lopez never testified to anything that supports your speculation. She heard voices outside her house before the bodies were even discovered by the police. I have already posted the documented times that the detectives arrived at Bundy, what they did, and what events happened when the case was turned over to Robbery Homicide.

Your claims that you or some other Fuhrman haters made up are false and make absolutely no sense to anyone other than police haters. They have about as much credibility as aliens from outer space were the real killers.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

This is if you believe the testimony without considering their demeanor when giving it and placing yourself in their position. I guess what I am saying is having blind faith.

I also saw the detectives testify and I saw or heard nothing that would indicate to me that they were not telling the truth.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Machismo Martin.

Do you not think it would have been a boost to all the careers of the officers involved in bringing down Simpson in a quick and thorough manner?

william
early on oj was the mark. it only remained to do the required 'NEGOIATIONS'
to set the stage.

the prosecution was suppose to give the jury a cohearant story line that would allow the jury to select and fit in pieces of testimony to make the story believable. Instead they gave the jury some convoluted story out of hell and some sleeping pills.imo jmo
martin II

[martin II]

I also saw the detectives testify and I saw or heard nothing that would indicate to me that they were not telling the truth.

bobaugust

bob
one has to be wired to accept le lies in order to know when the truth is not present.imo
martin II

[William Anthony]

I also saw the detectives testify and I saw or heard nothing that would indicate to me that they were not telling the truth.

bobaugust

I watched their demeanor on cross and the arrogance and frustration with which Vanatter came across. Perhaps, that is because he knew he had said something different to the mafia informant.

[bobaugust]

limakey
if nicole did talk to her mother at 11 pm then oj did not kill her. this leaves open the possibility that she was killed sometimes after 11pm.
now could someone have broken into ojs house and stole the shoes, cap and glove??
i don't remember exacly what time the bodies were found. was it after 12 midnight? just a thought.
martin II

martin II, there was no 11:00 PM telephone call. That if is as credible as if pigs could fly.

Your thoughts about someone stealing Simpson's shoes, hat, and glove are just as ridiculous but it's nice to see that you actually understand that evidence did belong to Simpson and you're arguments that they didn't were all bull crap. Good for you.

Boztep and his wife saw Nicole's body about midnight.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

I watched their demeanor on cross and the arrogance and frustration with which Vanatter came across. Perhaps, that is because he knew he had said something different to the mafia informant.

Or perhaps he saw the defense attorneys were trying to sell their distorted bull crap insinuations to the jury by attacking the police and his reactions were based on his contempt for their ridiculous arguments.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Or perhaps he saw the defense attorneys were trying to sell their distorted bull crap insinuations to the jury by attacking the police and his reactions were based on his contempt for their ridiculous arguments.

bobaugust

This could explain the demeanor, but more than likely he had been crossed before. I think it was the realization that the informant had been added to the witness list and he knew he was stuck. Whatever, the reason for the demeanor, I think that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted and, after testimony from the informant, decided just that.

[bobaugust]

This could explain the demeanor, but more than likely he had been crossed before. I think it was the realization that the informant had been added to the witness list and he knew he was stuck. Whatever, the reason for the demeanor, I think that any reasonable juror would have concluded that his testimony should not be trusted and, after testimony from the informant, decided just that.

I doubt if Vannatter knew what witnesses the defense were going to call since this incident happened after the criminal trial had already started, and I doubt if he any concerns about what some people thought he might have said bull crapping around while having some beers outside work.

The defense tried to make a big deal out of something that was absolutely meaningless. Vannatter wasn't under oath when he spoke with these people and there is no evidence that he even said what they thought he said. Besides the fact the ex husband is always a suspect until he is eliminated just as other people may be suspects until they are eliminated.

The detectives went to Rockingham to notify Simpson following orders not because they thought he was a suspect. If the jurors actually believed that none of Vannatter's testimony could be trusted based on this then it only shows again how ignorant and gullible these jurors really were.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

Or perhaps he saw the defense attorneys were trying to sell their distorted bull crap insinuations to the jury by attacking the police and his reactions were based on his contempt for their ridiculous arguments.

bobaugust

Here is something else I found on page 29 of the aforementioned book, in which the MF admits to the truth. He stated that they now had probable cause to enter the house without a warrant, but tells their true motive for entering. He stated that, after observing the small blood spot and speaking with someone from driving a Westec patrol car, about the maid, a quick decision was made based mainly on what he observed on or in the bronco, which he stated Simpson probably used. Therefore, they used the maid as an excuse and suspected Simpson prior to that time, imho.

[martin II]

I doubt if Vannatter knew what witnesses the defense were going to call since this incident happened after the criminal trial had already started, and I doubt if he any concerns about what some people thought he might have said bull crapping around while having some beers outside work.

The defense tried to make a big deal out of something that was absolutely meaningless. Vannatter wasn't under oath when he spoke with these people and there is no evidence that he even said what they thought he said. Besides the fact the ex husband is always a suspect until he is eliminated just as other people may be suspects until they are eliminated.

The detectives went to Rockingham to notify Simpson following orders not because they thought he was a suspect. If the jurors actually believed that none of Vannatter's testimony could be trusted based on this then it only shows again how ignorant and gullible these j