Coincidence or Suspicious?

[garrison]

What happened to the 'memo' Furhman belattedly wrote in 1990, after having gone out to Nicole on a 911, back in 1985? This was the time OJ apparently smashed the windsheild of his mercedes and Nicole was found balling in the front yard.

If correct - the whole thing gets very very eerie.

[ojisinnocent]

Originally posted by garrison
What happened to the 'memo' Furhman belattedly wrote in 1990, after having gone out to Nicole on a 911, back in 1985? This was the time OJ apparently smashed the windsheild of his mercedes and Nicole was found balling in the front yard.

If correct - the whole thing gets very very eerie.

G:

I hope and think you meant "bawling". Your mistkae is hilarious.

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by garrison
What happened to the 'memo' Furhman belattedly wrote in 1990, after having gone out to Nicole on a 911, back in 1985? This was the time OJ apparently smashed the windsheild of his mercedes and Nicole was found balling in the front yard.

If correct - the whole thing gets very very eerie.


garrison,

MF was infatuated with Nicole Simpson, and the thought of her with OJ first, and Marcus Allen must have sent him over the edge.. We knew his true feelings about Interracial Relationships based on the McKinney tapes.

He waited for Nicole and OJ to break up, and just when he thought it was his turn she started up with Marcus Allen another BLACK MAN.. Must have been pretty tough for ol Mark Fuhrman having to endure that type of rejection and humilation being that he was a more superior race, as he saw it!

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



garrison,

MF was infatuated with Nicole Simpson, and the thought of her with OJ first, and Marcus Allen must have sent him over the edge.. We knew his true feelings about Interracial Relationships based on the McKinney tapes.

He waited for Nicole and OJ to break up, and just when he thought it was his turn she started up with Marcus Allen another BLACK MAN.. Must have been pretty tough for ol Mark Fuhrman having to endure that type of rejection and humilation being that he was a more superior race, as he saw it!



nettathirty, what evidence do you know of that supports these accusations you're making?

bobaugust

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust




nettathirty, what evidence do you know of that supports these accusations you're making?

bobaugust


THE MCKINNEY TAPES

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



THE MCKINNEY TAPES


nettathirty, please quote where the McKinny tapes ever said anything about Nicole Simpson, Marcus Allan, or anything else you claim about what Mark Fuhrman's supposed rejection and humiliation.

bobaugust

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust



nettathirty, please quote where the McKinny tapes ever said anything about Nicole Simpson, Marcus Allan, or anything else you claim about what Mark Fuhrman's supposed rejection and humiliation.

bobaugust

August,

When he said " If i see a black man with a white woman, I will stopped them!

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


August,

When he said " If i see a black man with a white woman, I will stopped them!


nettathirty, "I will stopped them?"

That means nothing that you claimed. Fuhrman was offering dialog for a screen play on those tapes. He said nothing about Nicole Simpson. He said nothing about Marcus Allan. He said nothing about rejection or humiliation or superior race.

Your claims are pure fantasy based only on your false beliefs about Mark Fuhrman. Your accusations about him are unsupported, false, and r****t slander.

bobaugust

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust

*Snipped*

Your accusations about him are unsupported, false, and r****t slander.

bobaugust

August, I mean Mark!

There is NO audio tape of me referring to anyone of any ethnicity unfavorably. I have been in the workforce the past 25 years, I have never ever tried to get out of work on disability because of my views of other ethnic groups.. Again, you only show HOW OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG and STUBBORN you can be!

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


August, I mean Mark!

There is NO audio tape of me referring to anyone of any ethnicity unfavorably. I have been in the workforce the past 25 years, I have never ever tried to get out of work on disability because of my views of other ethnic groups.. Again, you only show HOW OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG and STUBBORN you can be!


nettathirty, I'm sorry but you're the one slandering Mark Fuhrman with false accusations based on race, not me.

The dialog Mark Fuhrman created for a fictional screen play is irrelevant to the reality that Simpson killed both Ron and Nicole and in no way supports what you fantasize and claim Fuhrman thought about Nicole Simpson.

bobaugust

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust



nettathirty, I'm sorry but you're the one slandering Mark Fuhrman with false accusations based on race, not me.

The dialog Mark Fuhrman created for a fictional screen play is irrelevant to the reality that Simpson killed both Ron and Nicole and in no way supports what you fantasize and claim Fuhrman thought about Nicole Simpson.

bobaugust

August,

Then I'm sorry, I was basing my claim on his Criminal Trial Testimony.. IIRC, he explained his use of the N-word and the disability claim as a screen play, during the trial.. Is that correct?

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


August,

Then I'm sorry, I was basing my claim on his Criminal Trial Testimony.. IIRC, he explained his use of the N-word and the disability claim as a screen play, during the trial.. Is that correct?


nettathirty, your not basing your claims on any testimony from the criminal trial, only what you fantasize based on your ignorance of the actual testimony.

Post the testimony where Mark Fuhrman is asked or says anything about how he felt about Nicole Simpson and Marcus Allen.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by nettathirty

August,

Then I'm sorry, I was basing my claim on his Criminal Trial Testimony.. IIRC, he explained his use of the N-word and the disability claim as a screen play, during the trial.. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct and so what? If MF felt that he needed to go out on disability, then it was his own personal business and none of ours. Furthermore, the screenplay tape occurred when MF was off-duty, on his own personal time, and was not being paid as an LAPD Officer. Thus, both of these instances are completely irrelevant to the OJ double-murder case. Get over it. End of story!

JMO and MOO!!

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


No, it's not correct and so what? If MF felt that he needed to go out on disability, then it was his own personal business and none of ours. Furthermore, the screenplay tape occurred when MF was off-duty, on his own personal time, and was not being paid as an LAPD Officer. Thus, both of these instances are completely irrelevant to the OJ double-murder case. Get over it. End of story!

JMO and MOO!!

2L8,

Talking about nothing to do with nothing.. Its obvious you didn't read the post I was replying, and you certainly read into my post what you wanted too.. I'm comparing myself to the actions of MF based on a claim your friend and fellow poster August, about me..

As far as it being OK for MF to have racist views outside of work, I could careless.. To be perfectly honest with you, I don't care how he felt while on duty.. He's still a liar, and the tapes certainly proved that..

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


. Get over it. !

JMO and MOO!!

2L8

This is the most offensive phrase in the 21st Century. What gives you the right tell me, how I should feel about racism... If you don't like the way, I react to someone calling me the "N" word, then your problem should go to the source of the word and that would the person calling me out of my name, or referring to any race unpleasantly...

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by nettathirty

2L8

This is the most offensive phrase in the 21st Century. What gives you the right tell me, how I should feel about racism... If you don't like the way, I react to someone calling me the "N" word, then your problem should go to the source of the word and that would the person calling me out of my name, or referring to any race unpleasantly...

What part of JMO and MOO don't you understand? I have as much right to my opinion as you do. If you don't like my opinion and the truth hurts, then that's your problem, not mine. I was talking about MF, not you personally.

What is offensive, is that you have out and out lied in posts and I've caught you on it. Never received a response from you, of course because you knew that I was right.

Bottom line ~ I am sick and tired of ALL of you NG's constantly on MF's azz for things that have absolutely no relevance to the OJ double-murder case ~ meaning, the screenplay tapes and MF's disability request.

Also, how many of us can honestly say that we haven't said the "N" word in our lifetime, yourself included Mr. Perfect? I guess we are ALL liars, r****ts, prejudiced and bigots huh Netta?

JMO and MOO ~ get it?

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


What part of JMO and MOO don't you understand? I have as much right to my opinion as you do. If you don't like my opinion and the truth hurts, then that's your problem, not mine. I was talking about MF, not you personally.

What is offensive, is that you have out and out lied in posts and I've caught you on it. Never received a response from you, of course because you knew that I was right.

Bottom line ~ I am sick and tired of ALL of you NG's constantly on MF's azz for things that have absolutely no relevance to the OJ double-murder case ~ meaning, the screenplay tapes and MF's disability request.

Also, how many of us can honestly say that we haven't said the "N" word in our lifetime, yourself included Mr. Perfect? I guess we are ALL liars, r****ts, prejudiced and bigots huh Netta?

JMO and MOO ~ get it?


2L8,

You need a shrink, I wasn't caught in a LIE.. Mark Fuhrman was!!

Bottom-Line: If everybody in the world uses the N-word, why in the HAIL did MF deny it?

The last paragraph is slander, it's character assasination and it's irresponsible and has NO PLACE on this or any other public forum.. Adding (IMO), does nothing for your insults, it allows you like MF you hide behind your true feelings..

You seem to get blown out of proportion when somebody is called to the table for their r***st opinion, and yet everybody needs to "GET IT OVER".. hey take your own advice and you "GET OVER IT"...

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva


What a bunch of confused gibberish. It's ok for you that MF held razist views outside of work & you don't care how he felt on duty, yet you continually revert back to the tapes. :rolleyes:


Socaldiva,

If you continue to imply OJ was a batterer, then I will continue to show you how the same set of circumstances can cause 1 to draw an unfavorable opinion of MF.. Not me of course, MF to me is a liar, moreso a racist...

Another thing, I don't care what your views are as it pertains to race.. It doesn't bother me that someone is filled with hatred, I can appreciate ignorant people distancing themselves from me...

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by nettathirty

2L8,

You need a shrink, I wasn't caught in a LIE.. Mark Fuhrman was!!

Character assination and slander. If anyone needs a shrink, it is definitely you. I've caught you in 3 lies and brought them to your attention, of which I never received a response, of course. Lucky you, the posts are now deleted. Believe me, if I could get a hold of them, I would surely bring them to your attention again!

Bottom-Line: If everybody in the world uses the N-word, why in the HAIL did MF deny it?

This has been discussed ad nauseum and I am not about to get in a pizzing contest with you over it that's for sure.

The last paragraph is slander, it's character assasination and it's irresponsible and has NO PLACE on this or any other public forum.. Adding (IMO), does nothing for your insults, it allows you like MF you hide behind your true feelings..

Read my post again. "Who hasn't said" and "If everybody in the world uses" the "N" word are two completely different meanings to me. Maybe not to you though.

You seem to get blown out of proportion when somebody is called to the table for their r***st opinion, and yet everybody needs to "GET IT OVER".. hey take your own advice and you "GET OVER IT"...

Yeah, and why don't you practice what you preach?

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by nettathirty

<snipped>

Not me of course, MF to me is a liar, moreso a racist..

<snipped>

Again, too bad the posts were deleted because (1) You stated that MF was not a liar and (2) You stated that MF was not a racist.

My, my ~ how your opinions change when they serve your purpose.

JMO and MOO!!

[Simpsonese]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Again, too bad the posts were deleted because (1) You stated that MF was not a liar and (2) You stated that MF was not a racist.

My, my ~ how your opinions change when they serve your purpose.

JMO and MOO!!

You have no place to talk. Which serves your purpose.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Simpsonese

You have no place to talk. Which serves your purpose.

:rolleyes: What a joke, 16 posts? You also "have no place to talk ~ which serves your purpose" or to judge me. I am NOT stating facts. I am stating my OPINION, which I have a right to do. If you don't like it, that's your problem! I end all of my posts with JMO and MOO because of posters just like yourself.

Also, please bring to my attention any posts where I have changed my opinion to serve my purpose.

JMO ~ Just My Opinion and MOO ~ My Opinion Only!!

JMO and MOO!!

[Kate Sachel]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Socaldiva,

If you continue to imply OJ was a batterer, then I will continue to show you how the same set of circumstances can cause 1 to draw an unfavorable opinion of MF.. Not me of course, MF to me is a liar, moreso a racist...

Another thing, I don't care what your views are as it pertains to race.. It doesn't bother me that someone is filled with hatred, I can appreciate ignorant people distancing themselves from me...

It is not an implication that OJ is a batterer, it is a fact.

It may also be a fact that Mark Fuhrman is racist. However, you were asked to post where Mark Fuhrman said anything in regard to Nicole Simpson or Marcus Allen and you have yet to do so, yet you post about how Fuhrman must have felt humiliated to be rejected in favor of another black man.

Please support this, or at the very least let us know that it is your opinion only.

Kate

[limakey]

Netta,

I don't remember any comments about mixed race couples on the tapes. However, I do think that Kathleen Bell was the one who testified about his hatered for mixed race couples as well as African Americans. Natalie Singer testified about his feelings toward AA's. I do remember that Judge Ito allowed MF's race views into the trial because this was apparently a unique thing about MF.

I also remember that Judge Ito limited the amount of witnesses the defense could have testify about this in the trial--even before the tapes.

[limakey]

Mr. August,

LHM made it clear that her screen play was about women on the force. If I remember correctly, there were not that many comments on the tapes about that subject. LHM was asked why she didn't stop Fuhrman's rants and raves about minorities, she said that she basically said she didn't stop him because she wanted to have the most accurate descriptions.

IMO, the theory that MF was trying to impress LHM, doesn't work. Who would ever use those words to impress someone? And what about Fuhrman's claims that she was his spurned lover? Where are the letters he said he had?

Mr. August, even if you do believe that the tapes mean nothing, how do you explain the other witnesses testimony? Was he trying to impress them as well?

IMO, the witnesses who came forward about their encounters with MF happen to believe Simpson is as guilty as hell. I believe that Kathleen Bell even said in her letter to the court that she did not want to help Mr. Simpson, but she had to say what she knew after she saw him on TV during the prelim hearing.

Don't don't think anything was said about MF's past at the time she contacted the DA's, the Court and the defense.

[limakey]

2Late,

Here is something to think about, what in your opinon is a race challenged person? I think it is a valid point that all us may have said or used an racial slur in our lifetime--and not just against Blacks.

However, IMO, a true race challenged person is one who truly believes that their race is the only "human" race and minorities are sub-human.

While this topic brings out such emotion filled posts, can you honestly pick out the posters who feel they are superior simply because of the color of their skin?

I have ready many comments about the jurors from G's, but never have I read a post filled with hate and describe them as sub-humans.

IMO, in the past, like when we were growing up, race challenged people were ignorant, they were basing their fears on "myths". My all time favorite is the one when I went to Temple. Apparently if Jewish children went into a Catholic Church, they grew tails and if a Catholic child went into a Temple, we grew horns!

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by limakey
Mr. August,

LHM made it clear that her screen play was about women on the force. If I remember correctly, there were not that many comments on the tapes about that subject. LHM was asked why she didn't stop Fuhrman's rants and raves about minorities, she said that she basically said she didn't stop him because she wanted to have the most accurate descriptions.

IMO, the theory that MF was trying to impress LHM, doesn't work. Who would ever use those words to impress someone? And what about Fuhrman's claims that she was his spurned lover? Where are the letters he said he had?

Mr. August, even if you do believe that the tapes mean nothing, how do you explain the other witnesses testimony? Was he trying to impress them as well?

IMO, the witnesses who came forward about their encounters with MF happen to believe Simpson is as guilty as hell. I believe that Kathleen Bell even said in her letter to the court that she did not want to help Mr. Simpson, but she had to say what she knew after she saw him on TV during the prelim hearing.

Don't don't think anything was said about MF's past at the time she contacted the DA's, the Court and the defense.



limakey, the tapes were completely irrelevant to Simpson's guilt or innocence. They should never had been allowed in this case.

This was not the trial of Mark Fuhrman, this was the trial of Orenthal James Simpson. Nothing Mark Fuhrman said on those tapes had any relevance to anything in the Simpson case. It was all a diversionary tactic that the defense got away with to inflame the predominately black jury to use race as an excuse to ignore the real evidence in this case that proved Simpson guilty.

bobaugust

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by bobaugust




limakey, the tapes were completely irrelevant to Simpson's guilt or innocence. They should never had been allowed in this case.

This was not the trial of Mark Fuhrman, this was the trial of Orenthal James Simpson. Nothing Mark Fuhrman said on those tapes had any relevance to anything in the Simpson case. It was all a diversionary tactic that the defense got away with to inflame the predominately black jury to use race as an excuse to ignore the real evidence in this case that proved Simpson guilty.

bobaugust :beer:

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust




. It was all a diversionary tactic that the defense got away with to inflame the predominately black jury to use race as an excuse to ignore the real evidence in this case that proved Simpson guilty.

bobaugust


August,

The jury never said they're decision was based on race, and they also said even though MF lied, he wasn't a deciding factor...

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty



August,

The jury never said they're decision was based on race, and they also said even though MF lied, he wasn't a deciding factor... They also said they didn't understand the DNA (which means they didn't use it to base their decision on); they also said they didn't use the abuse of Nicole by Orenthal; they also said they didn't believe the evidence (even though the defense never disputed the fact that it was Orenthal's blood at the crime scene).

But, they did say they take care of their own and Orenthal was given the black power salute at the end.

Why don't you enlighten the rest of us and tell us what exactly the jury did base their deicison on. Please don't say there was reasonable doubt because we all know that is not the truth of this case.

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by fbgweezer

*Snipped*

Please don't say there was reasonable doubt because we all know that is not the truth of this case.


fbg,

Finally we agree on something, there was NO REASONABLE DOUBT, it was WITHOUT A DOUBT, OJ was and is not the killer..


1st

The evidence at Bundy contradicts the BM wearer as the killer. The blood had stop running when the shoe impression was made.. August is not going to tell you that.. Which means when the shoe stepped in the blood, the blood was know longer flowing from the victims..

2nd

The gloves, contrary to August's flawed logic, Goldman "PROBABLY or COULD HAVE" is not fact. The fact of the matter is GOLDMAN was killed from behind on the ground, he was not in a position to take that GLOVE off, it is NOT PHYSICALLY possible.. August is not going to tell you that...

3rd.

Heidstra testified in the Criminal Trial for the defense it was only a matter of seconds from the "hey hey hey" to the gate slam and then he saw the "LIGHT COLOR SUV".. August, aside from the fact that Heidstra is way off on his civil trial testimony, but that's another story.. OJ could not have been in the process of killing Nicole, then struggle with Goldman get him on the ground.. Go slit Nicoles throat, and then stab Goldman, verify Nicole is dead, and go back to verify Goldman's death..
Then goes to exit, stops goes back to the bodies, and then leaves the crime SCENE..

makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.. Heidstra testimony contradicts, not to mention the laws of LOGIC!

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped*Originally posted by nettathirty
makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.. Heidstra testimony contradicts, not to mention the laws of LOGIC! Now I'm starting to be embarrassed for you. I don't know if you can't grasp the facts of this case or you just want to continue to spew misinformation for the sake of argument. Maybe it's a little of both.

Like your silly elevator story -- you've got it all wrong. Again.

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by fbgweezer

*snipped*

I don't know if you can't grasp the facts of this case or you just want to continue to spew misinformation for the sake of argument.

Again.

fbg,

I said it was a bloody shoe print at Bundy, or you now saying it wasn't?
I said the glove at Bundy was "right side out" when discovered and I said like many of you that the victims were killed, what part have I not grasped?

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty


fbg,

I said it was a bloody shoe print at Bundy, or you now saying it wasn't?
I said the glove at Bundy was "right side out" when discovered and I said like many of you that the victims were killed, what part have I not grasped? The 'whys" and "hows" have been explained to you too many times to count and yet you continue to post your nonsense. Suffice it to say -- you are wrong on all counts of your original post.

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
The 'whys" and "hows" have been explained to you too many times to count and yet you continue to post your nonsense. Suffice it to say -- you are wrong on all counts of your original post.


fbg,

Your in denial...

Heidstra gave an interview to E! OJ Nicole and Ron count down to Murder, in that interview much like his Criminal Trial testimony he consistantly said the "hey hey hey" gate slam and SUV were within a 2 or 3 minute time span... He later had a differing account in the Civil Trial some 3 years later...

This is from Dick Wagner site:

There was no mention of the five minute delay when Heidstra told his experience in the criminal trial, and no hint of it here in the E! interview. I think it was "remembered" specifically for Petrocelli in the criminal trial, in the same way as Petrocelli coached Kato to "remember" that the three thumps were not really as he had described them in the criminal trial. That is, Petrocelli manipulated his witnesses to say what (he thought) would help him win his case. Another defect in our justice system that the unprincipled attorneys are allowed to tamper with witnesses in advance of their testimony. In view of the opportunities for attorneys to manipulate testimony, it is a wonder that there are any who accept courtroom accounts as the final - and only - word.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



fbg,

Finally we agree on something, there was NO REASONABLE DOUBT, it was WITHOUT A DOUBT, OJ was and is not the killer..


1st

The evidence at Bundy contradicts the BM wearer as the killer. The blood had stop running when the shoe impression was made.. August is not going to tell you that.. Which means when the shoe stepped in the blood, the blood was know longer flowing from the victims..

2nd

The gloves, contrary to August's flawed logic, Goldman "PROBABLY or COULD HAVE" is not fact. The fact of the matter is GOLDMAN was killed from behind on the ground, he was not in a position to take that GLOVE off, it is NOT PHYSICALLY possible.. August is not going to tell you that...

3rd.

Heidstra testified in the Criminal Trial for the defense it was only a matter of seconds from the "hey hey hey" to the gate slam and then he saw the "LIGHT COLOR SUV".. August, aside from the fact that Heidstra is way off on his civil trial testimony, but that's another story.. OJ could not have been in the process of killing Nicole, then struggle with Goldman get him on the ground.. Go slit Nicoles throat, and then stab Goldman, verify Nicole is dead, and go back to verify Goldman's death..
Then goes to exit, stops goes back to the bodies, and then leaves the crime SCENE..

makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.. Heidstra testimony contradicts, not to mention the laws of LOGIC!



nettathirty, you're right about one thing, I'm not going to tell anyone the false information you post.

Not only was there no reasonable doubt that Simpson was the killer, the same evidence was used in the civil trial and Simpson was found responsible for both deaths, "To a certainty."

1) Your statement that the blood had stopped running when the it was stepped in is pure speculation and does not eliminate the person stepping in it as the killer. Wagner offered this speculation based on what he imagined the killer did. Pure unsupported speculation.

2) Your statement that it was not physically possible for Goldman to have pulled the glove off Simpson's hand is not true. If Simpson was holding Goldman from behind him with his left arm around Goldman while he stabbed and cut him with the knife in his right hand, Goldman could very well have grabbed Simpson's left hand trying to break his hold. It's very possible that Goldman had gotten hold of Simpson's fingers and as he pulled at his hand, the glove came off.

3) Heidstra civil trial testimony was completely consistent with his criminal trial testimony. Your ignorance of what Heidstra testified to once again shows with your false statement that it was only a matter of seconds from the "hey, hey, hey" to when he saw the white Jeep like vehicle speed away. Read it in it's entirety and then lets see if you understand what you read and if you're big enough to admit you are wrong, again.

October 25, 1996 Robert Heidstra

Q. Okay. After you heard the second deeper voice, did you hear anything else?
A. Yeah. It didn't last no more than 15 seconds, I would say. Then I heard a gate slamming, bang, and then immediately, my mind said, "Boy that's the gate for the Akita behind the gate from Nicole's house. Sounded -- because I was just opposite Nicole's condo, so I felt it must be the gate to Nicole's condo.
Q. And in your opinion, that's where those noises were coming from?
A. Oh yes, no doubt.
Q. How many times did you hear a gate slam?
A. Just once. Yeah.
Q. Now, what did you do after you heard all this?
A. Well, then I continued out of the alley. And if these two guys have an argument, it's nothing more than that. It's like an argument. I said, well, that's it.
Q. And then at some point, you got to the end of this alley where it intersects Dorothy; is that right?
A. Yeah.
Q. And you previously testified that you began to go into that alley at 10:30 to 10:35?
A. Yeah, 10:35.
Q. How many minutes after that were you at the other end of the alley?
A. Was a little more, because I stood there and listened to the dog regularly -- It's about two minutes, and we say about three, four, five minutes, something like that. Five minutes at the --
Q. Five minutes, at the outside?
A. Yeah, at the outside.
Q. You said three, four, five minutes; is that your testimony?
A. Yeah. Four minutes or something.
Q. Okay. And when you got to the other end of the alley, what then happened?
A. Okay. Out of the alley. And the dogs were still barking nonstop; it never stopped. And then I went east on Dorothy, back to my -- the direction of my apartment.
Q. You started to walk up the hill?
A. Yeah. Just --
Q. Is this a hill, by the way? This is Dorothy?
A. No. It goes a little -- it goes a little up, but not very much.
Q. So when you got to this alley here, you made a left on Dorothy, right?
A. Yeah.
Q. And then you walked a little bit up?
A. Yeah, about two houses. Two houses. About two, three, and listened to the noise.
Q. Let me stop you there. There's a tree?
A. There's a big oak tree or something.
Q. And you stopped under the tree?
A. I was under the tree, yes.
Q. And on which side of the street, this side?
A. Yeah.
Q. I guess that's what, north?
A. It's north, I guess.
Q. So, on the north side of the street. And you're under the oak tree--
A. Right.
Q. -- and with your dogs, right?
A. Um-hum.
Q. And then what did you see or what happened?
A. So I stood there for a minute, I would say, a minute and a half or something, looking back to Dorothy and where the noise came from. And I -- there's a streetlight on the corner of Bundy and --
Q. Dorothy?
A. -- and Dorothy, yes.
Q. So you're about -- you want to point where you are?
A. Yeah.
Q. Where you're standing?
A. I was standing there, about there.
Q. Let the record reflect, I guess you're pointing a little west of the alleyway, on the north side of Dorothy.
A. Yeah.
Q. And where is the street lamp that you were referring to?
A. The middle of this street here.
Q. Okay. Up on Bundy and Dorothy?
A. And Dorothy.
Q. What direction are you facing, are you looking?
A. West.
Q. Are you looking at the intersection?
A. Yeah, I'm looking at the intersection.
Q. What was the lighting like?
A. It was pretty good lighting.
Q. I think I misspoke. I think it's east of the alley, not west of the alley. You were standing where the oak tree is. I'm not very good on directions.
A. Yeah, east. You're right. Sorry.
Q. What did you see when you were looking down at the intersection where the street lamp was?
A. I was looking down there. From nowhere, all of a sudden, then I saw from the west side of Dorothy, from Nicole's side, from out of dark, came in the light a white, jeep-like car.
*
Q. Were you able to get a good look at the car?
A. It was a wide kind of jeep, with tinted glasses.
Q. Tinted windows?
A. Tinted windows. Yes, sir.
MR. PETROCELLI: Can we put up the next photo, which has been marked as
191. (The instrument herein described was marked for identification as Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 191)
Q. (BY MR. PETROCELLI) Did the car that you saw that evening look like the one in the photo?
A. It was -- it resembled a car like this, yes. For sure, I couldn't say exactly this car, but it resembled the size of the car.
Q. And the color?
A. White.
Q. That was a little basic kind of vehicle, was it?
A. Yeah. It was a big car, big vehicle like this.
*
Q. Did you have any opinion as you saw the vehicle speed away, whether it appeared like the person was in a hurry?
A. Oh yes. It was -- must have been in a hurry; it sped away fast.
Q. Can you tell us about what time it was when you made that observation?
A. It must have been around 10:40, 10:45, in between. No more than 10:45, for sure. It would be a little before, maybe.
Q. Little before 10:45?
A. Yeah.
Q. But in the area of 10:40 to 10:45?
A. Exactly, yeah.

bobaugust

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust

*Snipped*

October 25, 1996 Robert Heidstra


bobaugust


August,

You must be loosing it, Heidstra's Criminal Trial testimony and the Civil Trial testimony are different. Yet to prove me wrong you post the Civil Trial Testimony at lenght!:shrug:

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



August,

You must be loosing it, Heidstra's Criminal Trial testimony and the Civil Trial testimony are different. Yet to prove me wrong you post the Civil Trial Testimony at lenght!:shrug:



nettathirty, no I'm not losing it, you have no idea what you're talking about, again. Since Heidstra's actual testimony contradicts your statement you just can't admit you're wrong, again.

The facts Heidstra testified to in the civil trial are completely consistent with the facts he testified to in the criminal trial. I posted Heidstra's civil trial testimony because it goes into more details than his criminal trial testimony based on the additional questions he was asked, and it's posted on my web site.

If you think you're right, back up your words. What fact that Heidstra testified to in his civil trial testimony do you believe is different than what he testified to in his criminal trial testimony?

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by socaldiva


If YOU think the testimony is different between the two trials, why don't you specifically point out the differences instead of attempting to bash August? I say the testimony is the same.


nettathirty, since it's obvious the only time you bother to read any testimony is when I post it for you, I decided to help you out. Here is Robert Heidstra's criminal trial testimony.

If you can comprehend what you read you will see that the facts Heidstra testified to are completely consistent with the facts he testified to in the civil trial that I posted earlier for you.

Heidstra was in the alley when he heard the two male voices and the gate slam at about 10:40. He left he alley and walked down Dorothy St. When he saw the white Jeep like vehicle it was about 10:45.

I'm curious, are you now going to admit that you were wrong again, or are you just going to ignore you're false claim like you never made it?

July 11. 1995

MR. COCHRAN: All right. And at that point you are in the alley and it is 10:40
on June 12th, 1994. What happens next?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Well, like I said, I was listening to the dogs and all of a
sudden I heard two voices.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. You heard two voices?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yeah.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. What did you hear these two voices say?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Well, the first one I heard was a clear male young adult voice
that said, "Hey, hey, hey."
MR. COCHRAN: All right. Had you ever heard that voice before?
MR. HEIDSTRA: No, no, no, just from nowhere.
MR. COCHRAN: You heard this voice say, "Hey, hey, hey"?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Three times, yes.
*
MR. COCHRAN: All right. What happened next?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Next time I heard just it was about fifteen seconds that argument
I guess sounded like an argument two men talking to each other.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. Let me back up. The--you thought that you heard an
argument at that point?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Sounded like an argument, yes.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. The argument sounded like it was between two men?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yeah, two male voices.
MR. COCHRAN: Two male voices?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yes.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. And could you discern or could you make out any other
words spoken during this argument at all, Mr. Heidstra?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you then, after you heard the "Hey, hey, hey," and
then the response, the argument, what happened after that?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Then I heard a gate slamming bang.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. How many times did you hear a gate slam? Once, twice,
how many times?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Once, just once.
*
MR. COCHRAN: And by the time the gate slammed, what time was it at that time,
Mr. Heidstra?
MR. HEIDSTRA: About a round 10:40 I would say, something like that, 10:40,
about that time.
MR. COCHRAN: About 10:30, thereabouts?
MR. HEIDSTRA: I would say so, 10:40.
MR. COCHRAN: And the gate, did it sound like a metal gate?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Oh, yes. I recognized the gate immediately. I recognize the gate
from the Akita--where the Akita is behind all the time.
MR. COCHRAN: You heard what sounded like a metal gate?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yes.
*
July 12, 1995


MR. COCHRAN: And at some point you did walk and get to Dorothy; is that correct?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yeah, Dorothy.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you pointed to Dorothy on People's 26?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Right.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. And at some point did you ever see any vehicles in and
around that area as you got to Dorothy Street that particular night?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yes. I walked up a little two, three houses up the street.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. So that we are clear, your Honor, I think he is
indicating that he had proceeded up Dorothy.
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yeah.
MR. COCHRAN: In the direction of where your house is?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Right.
MR. COCHRAN: Is that right?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Right.
THE COURT: Indicating eastbound on Dorothy.
MR. COCHRAN: Eastbound on Dorothy, as I understand it, your Honor.
MR. COCHRAN: And at that point did you see any vehicle at any point?
MR. HEIDSTRA: When I looked back to Bundy where the noise came from.
MR. COCHRAN: All right.
MR. HEIDSTRA: And there is a street light on the corner of Bundy and Dorothy.
MR. COCHRAN: Yes.
MR. HEIDSTRA: And when I was looking there from the commotion, I was listening
to two minutes.
MR. COCHRAN: About what time would that be now that you are looking about?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Around quarter to 11:00.
MR. COCHRAN: Around 10:45?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yeah.
MR. COCHRAN: Quarter to 11:00?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Right.


**


MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did you see any other car at any point?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Yeah. When I was looking there I saw from the west side of
Dorothy, the side of Nicole's condo came out of the darkness, a white car into
the light, the street light on the corner.
MR. COCHRAN: Which direction was that car going?
MR. HEIDSTRA: From Dorothy on this side and it stopped here on the corner of
Dorothy and Bundy.
MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did that car make a turn or did it go up Dorothy or
what did it do?
MR. HEIDSTRA: It made a turn.
MR. COCHRAN: Which direction did it go?
MR. HEIDSTRA: A right turn and went south.
MR. COCHRAN: Are you sure that vehicle went south?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Sure, sure.
MR. COCHRAN: That would be toward Wilshire Boulevard?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Toward Wilshire Boulevard.
MR. COCHRAN: What color was the color?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Very light color, white or light.
MR. COCHRAN: Light or white?
MR. HEIDSTRA: It was white or something.
MR. COCHRAN: Did you see that car very clearly?
MR. HEIDSTRA: I could clearly see it.

***

MR. DARDEN: Okay. And this vehicle, Mr. Heidstra, it was white, wasn't it?
MR. HEIDSTRA: White, yeah, very light.
MR. DARDEN: It was a sports--
MR. HEIDSTRA: I would say white.
MR. DARDEN: It was a sport utility vehicle, wasn't it?
MR. HEIDSTRA: A sport?
MR. DARDEN: Yeah.
MR. HEIDSTRA: No, it was like a Jeep or wagon car.
MR. DARDEN: Okay. A four-wheel drive sort of vehicle?
MR. HEIDSTRA: Probably, yes.
MR. DARDEN: It wasn't a car, was it?
MR. HEIDSTRA: It was a car, yes.
MR. DARDEN: Well, was it a car in the sense that it was like a van or a truck?
MR. HEIDSTRA: No, it was like a wagon, wagon car, Jeep like car.

bobaugust

[nettathirty]

What are the ODDS!

That there was another cop involved in the BUNDY Murder Investigation with an audio (SCREENPLAY) wink wink, of them using the N-word and sprewing hatred about interracial relationship, and Police Corruption..

What were the odds of another cop who visited the Bundy Crime scene, was known to have swatika on their desk, and a disability claim about not being able to do their job because of his race related views..

What were the ODDS of another cop involved in the Bundy Murders investigation, having had contact with both the victim and the defendant prior to the murders? What were the odds that NO other cop out of the 1500 or so at Bundy, none would be photographed pointing at the Glove at Bundy and then finding the Rockingham glove..

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva


WTH are you talking about? 1500 cops :rolleyes:


Socal

You know how you G's want to make it seem like, MF was the last person to log in at Bundy.. It's funny, isn't it?

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva


It seems you are confused again. No one suggested that MF was the "last person to log in at Bundy". The only funny thing is how often you are confused.

What does this have to do with your post that there were 1500 cops @ Bundy? Looks like Netta is playing games again.


Socal

Get a grip.. What about the other things I posted, what is your take on that?

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva


You've already managed to get the lawsuit thread pulled.


This is an outright LIE, and you cannot prove one word of it!

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva


YOU were the one that couldn't resist knocking the Goldman's. Figure it out. :rolleyes:


What!

There is a thread calld "OJ UPDATE" did you ever think since that was the latest event involving OJ Simpson. The moderator, and I see why your not the moderator.. closed the thread because the POSTER wasn't following the rules ??????????

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Did you ever think that if that were the case, the thread would have been merged? That poster didn't violate any rules. Get real.

I never said I was the moderator. Doesn't your head hurt from so much confusion?


Socal

My head hurts when trying to explain some simple and common sense things to you...

It's clear your not paying attention.. The moderator isn't combining threads, the threads are just being deleted.. But you knew that, right?

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by nettathirty

What!

There is a thread calld "OJ UPDATE" did you ever think since that was the latest event involving OJ Simpson. The moderator, and I see why your not the moderator.. closed the thread because the POSTER wasn't following the rules ??????????

And just how do you know that "the moderator closed the thread because the POSTER wasn't following the rules??????????" Either you are exagerrating or downright NOT telling the truth, which doesn't surprise me in the least! And how you constantly get away with it also just boggles my mind!

JMO and MOO!!

[nettathirty]

Coincidence or Suspicious?
What are the ODDS!

That there was another cop involved in the BUNDY Murder Investigation with an audio (SCREENPLAY) wink wink, of them using the N-word and sprewing hatred about interracial relationship, and Police Corruption..

What were the odds of another cop who visited the Bundy Crime scene, was known to have swatika on their desk, and a disability claim about not being able to do their job because of his race related views..

What were the ODDS of another cop involved in the Bundy Murders investigation, having had contact with both the victim and the defendant prior to the murders? What were the odds that NO other cop out of the 1500 or so at Bundy, none would be photographed pointing at the Glove at Bundy and then finding the Rockingham glove..

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty
Coincidence or Suspicious?
What are the ODDS!

That there was another cop involved in the BUNDY Murder Investigation with an audio (SCREENPLAY) wink wink, of them using the N-word and sprewing hatred about interracial relationship, and Police Corruption..

What were the odds of another cop who visited the Bundy Crime scene, was known to have swatika on their desk, and a disability claim about not being able to do their job because of his race related views..

What were the ODDS of another cop involved in the Bundy Murders investigation, having had contact with both the victim and the defendant prior to the murders? What were the odds that NO other cop out of the 1500 or so at Bundy, none would be photographed pointing at the Glove at Bundy and then finding the Rockingham glove..



nettathirty, didn't you post this ridiculous message before? 1500 cops? Funny.

What are the odds? Considerably less than the odds that you'll ever be able to understand the reality of the evidence that proves Simpson was the killer.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8

And just how do you know that "the moderator closed the thread because the POSTER wasn't following the rules??????????" Either you are exagerrating or downright NOT telling the truth, which doesn't surprise me in the least! And how you constantly get away with it also just boggles my mind!

JMO and MOO!!

How about an answer to the above? Or was your post just another one of your exagerrated and downright untruthful posts, huh Netta?

JMO and MOO!!

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


How about an answer to the above? Or was your post just another one of your exagerrated and downright untruthful posts, huh Netta?

JMO and MOO!!

2L8,

My post was a more logical explanation, unlike your buddy trying to single out one individual ...