DISCUSSION THREAD WEEK OF 8/14

[nascarmom]

From the other thread that is now locked, I am looking for someone to PM me the link to the image of Deepak's signed June 13th statement that is supposed to be posted at BFN. All I have found is a translation.

Thanks.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
From the other thread that is now locked, I am looking for someone to PM me the link to the image of Deepak's signed June 13th statement that is supposed to be posted at BFN. All I have found is a translation.

Thanks.


There is no image of it on BFN. Just what someone typed on there.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



There is no image of it on BFN. Just what someone typed on there.

Well this post was made

MiamiNice1
Senior Member

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The truth is not "bait." ~ Roni
Posts: 1364
FEELINGS: The SIGNED Deepak Statement is on JUNE 13th!



And I was told that I was WRONG by Miami about stating the June 11 statement is signed. I see an image for the 11th statement but I can't find one for the 13th so I'm curious where Miami saw signatures.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Well this post was made

MiamiNice1
Senior Member

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The truth is not "bait." ~ Roni
Posts: 1364
FEELINGS: The SIGNED Deepak Statement is on JUNE 13th!



And I was told that I was WRONG by Miami about stating the June 11 statement is signed. I see an image for the 11th statement but I can't find one for the 13th so I'm curious where Miami saw signatures.


It might be on the monkey site but I'd recommend using an anonymizer if you go there. That is where BFN got it from. That is also where they got the "rough translation" of the phone records that have statements made in their translation that isn't in the original.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It might be on the monkey site but I'd recommend using an anonymizer if you go there. That is where BFN got it from. That is also where they got the "rough translation" of the phone records that have statements made in their translation that isn't in the original.

No, Miami said it's at BFN:

MiamiNice1
Senior Member

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The truth is not "bait." ~ Roni
Posts: 1364

quote:
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Originally posted by nascarmom
Where is the image of Deepak's June13 statement that has a signature?
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It is on BFN. I have it sitting in "minimized mode" as we speak.

(Now, please, I'm branching out with TREE )

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:shrug:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by nascarmom


No, Miami said it's at BFN:

MiamiNice1
Senior Member

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The truth is not "bait." ~ Roni
Posts: 1364

quote:
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Originally posted by nascarmom
Where is the image of Deepak's June13 statement that has a signature?
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It is on BFN. I have it sitting in "minimized mode" as we speak.

(Now, please, I'm branching out with TREE )

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:shrug:


STILL can't find it? It's there. Also, look on the bottom of the statement - it's dated June 13th. Looks like RU and SM are WRONG.

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"To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005."

[MiamiNice1]

LOL - Look on PAGE 2. LOL!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


No, Miami said it's at BFN:

MiamiNice1
Senior Member

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: The truth is not "bait." ~ Roni
Posts: 1364

quote:
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Originally posted by nascarmom
Where is the image of Deepak's June13 statement that has a signature?
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It is on BFN. I have it sitting in "minimized mode" as we speak.

(Now, please, I'm branching out with TREE )

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:shrug:


Well it certainly isn't in the thread titled Deepak's June 13 statement. I looked at the entire thread and all that is there is where someone typed it. The only images on that thread are some ticklesite pictures.

[MiamiNice1]

Now I see that nascarmom wants to see the actual Dutch typed document. No, it isn't on there. Just the typed English version.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1



STILL can't find it? It's there. Also, look on the bottom of the statement - it's dated June 13th. Looks like RU and SM are WRONG.

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"To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005."



There is no image of that statement. Just what someone has typed and said is his statement.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Watership Down

There is no image of that statement. Just what someone has typed and said is his statement.

Yes, this is correct. I just realized now that NM wants to see the Dutch Typed version. It's not on there.

[No Nic]

News Flash !! Choose a Name in Aruba BURNED !!!

http://www.coolaruba.com/

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Now I see that nascarmom wants to see the actual Dutch typed document. No, it isn't on there. Just the typed English version. I've been saying June 11 for quite awhile.
So how do you know the June13 statement is signed then?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic
News Flash !! Choose a Name in Aruba BURNED !!!

http://www.coolaruba.com/

OK, NN, you've been holding out on us.....I could't read papiamentu (sp?)! LOL!

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I've been saying June 11 for quite awhile.
So how do you know the June13 statement is signed then?

I was going by this at the bottom of the statement where it says it's dated June 13th, 2005:

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To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


I was going by this at the bottom of the statement where it says it's dated June 13th, 2005:

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To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005.

What does that have to do with your claim that it's the June 13th statement that is signed when there isn't even an image of it posted? What you posted does NOT show a signature or prove it is is signed.

Basically you've spent pages telling me I'm wrong when all along you have been wrong.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic
News Flash !! Choose a Name in Aruba BURNED !!!

http://www.coolaruba.com/ Burned?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Burned? From construction on the roof, no one was hurt.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by nascarmom


What does that have to do with your claim that it's the June 13th statement that is signed when there isn't even an image of it posted? What you posted does NOT indicate the statement is signed.

Basically you've spent pages telling me I'm wrong when all along you have been wrong.

PAGES? That's you and WD. Don't you get tired of arguing? Stop already. I'm not wrong. The translated document dates it as June 13th. What is your proof it is otherwise?

Let it goooooooooo!

[feelings]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


PAGES? That's you and WD. Don't you get tired of arguing? Stop already. I'm not wrong. The translated document dates it as June 13th. What is your proof it is otherwise?

Let it goooooooooo!
IMO if the statement is authentic, it is taken into account whether it is signed by the suspect or not.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by feelings

IMO if the statement is authentic, it is taken into account whether it is signed by the suspect or not.

It was nice seeing you, feelings. Going to call it a night as I have an early day tomorrow.

:)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Don't you get tired of arguing? Stop already. I'm not wrong. The translated document dates it as June 13th. What is your proof it is otherwise?

Let it goooooooooo! Becuase you made it a point to say it was the Junde13th statement, the statement you used to back your claim, was the signed one.

I used a quote from the June11 statement that is indeed signed and there is a copy of the image posted showing the signature.

But you said I was wrong and that it was the June13 statement that was signed.


Originally posted by MiamiNice1
I get such a kick out of this statement from Deepak's SIGNED June 13th statement:

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Thanks for your translation services....but they're not necessary. We can all clearly see she was wrong (as are you).

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Debbie has it exactly right....YOU are WRONG. LOL!

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Nascarmom is on roll being WRONG. Deepak's SIGNED statement is on June 13th......NOT the 11th.

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
FEELINGS: The SIGNED Deepak Statement is on JUNE 13th!


MiamiNice1
quote:
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Originally posted by nascarmom
Where is the image of Deepak's June13 statement that has a signature?
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It is on BFN. I have it sitting in "minimized mode" as we speak.


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Perhaps before you extend so much energy declaring how wrong someone is, you should make sure about it. Because clearly, I am not wrong on this one. The June11 statement is SIGNED and has the image showing it, whereas there is no image of the June13 statement posted at BFN, like you claimed, showing any signature.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by nascarmom

<snipped>



LOLOL! Clearly it is YOU expending all the energy! Where is PROOF it was signed on June 11th? Is it this hard for you to admit you were wrong? ROFL!

I clearly told you I misunderstood you wanting the Dutch signed statement. What more do you want?

Let it goooooooo! Not relevant. Not important. Try to get some rest.

imo.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


LOLOL! Clearly it is YOU expending all the energy! Where is PROOF it was sined on June 11th?

Let it goooooooo! Not relevant. Try to get some rest.

imo.

What are you talking about? The statement date is assigned to the date the statement was MADE not when it was SIGNED. And no where on the June 11 statement is there a date of June 13.

Not relevant? You claimed the June13 statement was SIGNED and said I was WRONG about which one is signed when clearly you are the one that is WRONG

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by nascarmom


What are you talking about? The statement date is assigned to the date the statement was MADE not when it was SIGNED. And no where on the June 11 statement is the date of June 13.

You have been proven WRONG once again.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Let it goooooooo! :seeya:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Sorry, but you are wrong. Let it goooooooo! :seeya:

LMAO How am I wrong? I said the June 11 statement is signed and it is.

You said the June 13 statement at BFN is signed and there isn't even an image copy of it posted.


My claim is correct and you say I'm wrong when you are the one that is wrong. LMAO

LOL LOL LOL LOL


Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Nascarmom is on roll being WRONG. Deepak's SIGNED statement is on June 13th......NOT the 11th.

[MiamiNice1]

Get some rest. You are clearly wrong. Let it goooooo! :seeya:

P.S. - I posted proof it is dated June 13th. Where is your proof it is dated June 11th?

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To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005."

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Get some rest. You are clearly wrong. Let it goooooo! :seeya:

P.S. - I posted proof it is dated June 13th. Where is your proof it is dated June 11th?
You were supposed to post proof to your claim that the June13 statement is SIGNED. You have yet to do that. Where is the image of the doc showing the signatures?

Well, let's see, I posted the name of the thread at BFN but since Debbie's integrity is such an issue, I can see where you would want additional proof. So here are the dates from the translation:

On June 11th 2005 at about 12:10 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.

Of which, we, the reporting officers on our oat as officers have made his proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 11 2005.

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Originally posted by MiamiNice1
I get such a kick out of this statement from Deepak's SIGNED June 13th statement:

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Nascarmom is on roll being WRONG. Deepak's SIGNED statement is on June 13th......NOT the 11th.

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
FEELINGS: The SIGNED Deepak Statement is on JUNE 13th!

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You are clearly wrong, why can't you admit it?

[MiamiNice1]

Sorry, but I am right. Look at the date at the bottom.

Now, post YOUR proof it was signed on June 11th.

Don't have it? Didn't think so. Let it goooooo!

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"To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005."
:seeya:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom

You were supposed to post proof to your claim that the June13 statement is SIGNED. You have yet to do that. Where is the image of the doc showing the signatures?

Well, let's see, I posted the name of the thread at BFN but since Debbie's integrity is such an issue, I can see where you would want additional proof. So here are the dates from the translation:

On June 11th 2005 at about 12:10 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.

Of which, we, the reporting officers on our oat as officers have made his proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 11 2005.

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You are clearly wrong, why can't you admit it?

Because that's the kind of people you are dealing with.....they don't admit the Skeeter tape was manipulated....they don't admit to anything....

Does she have an image to show there was a signature?

Do you have an image with a signature?

Not that I consider anything posted on the blogs as being reliable.....but at least having an actual picture of a signature is a start.....as opposed to nothing and claiming there is one.

[MiamiNice1]

I will be the bigger person and stop. Now you go ahead and get your last word in.....

Nite nite. :seeya:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
Sorry, but I am right. Look at the date at the bottom.

Now, post YOUR proof it was signed on June 11th.

Don't have it? Didn't think so. Let it goooooo!

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"To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE
After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005."
:seeya:

LMAO everytime you have told me I am wrong, it turns out that YOU are the one that is WRONG.

Just like in this case.

Where is the signature on the June13th statement you claim exists?

The June 11 statement is signed, like I said, but to which you think I'm wrong about.

LMAO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1
I will be the bigger person and stop. Nite nite. :seeya: If you were the bigger person, you would admit you were wrong and apologize.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
If you were the bigger person, you would admit you were wrong and apologize.

It's funny but I have posted on here for quite some time.......and I have apologized for being mistaken in the past.....

I don't believe anyone has ever apologized to me on here.........they usually just quit responding.....or say they have to leave.....or attack me....saying I'm bashing them.

But I understand what kind of people I'm dealing with.....so it's not that big a deal.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Because that's the kind of people you are dealing with.....they don't admit the Skeeter tape was manipulated....they don't admit to anything....

Does she have an image to show there was a signature?

Do you have an image with a signature?

Not that I consider anything posted on the blogs as being reliable.....but at least having an actual picture of a signature is a start.....as opposed to nothing and claiming there is one. LMAO, if her continued insistence that she is right when it is clear she is wrong, isn't bait, I don't know what it is.

I just don't understand that game. Be right at all costs - but then again, that's the way Beth is.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


It's funny but I have posted on here for quite some time.......and I have apologized for being mistaken in the past.....

I don't believe anyone has ever apologized to me on here.........they usually just quit responding.....or say they have to leave.....or attack me....saying I'm bashing them.

But I understand what kind of people I'm dealing with.....so it's not that big a deal.

It's amazing the lengths some will go to just to keep from admitting they are wrong. I just don't get it :shrug:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
LMAO, if her continued insistence that she is right when it is clear she is wrong, isn't bait, I don't know what it is.

I just don't understand that game. Be right at all costs - but then again, that's the way Beth is.


I don't understand it......I mean that seems to be the case......Joran is the person at all costs......never wrong......I mean look at the Skeeter tape......you can claim you believe every other portion of the tape.....I think the only classy thing to do is come out and talk about the possibility that the tape was manipulated, apologize about what was played on Dr. Phil was possibly manipulated........instead we hear how it's just irrelevant after weeks and weeks of how it is going to break the case.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15



I don't understand it......I mean that seems to be the case......Joran is the person at all costs......never wrong......I mean look at the Skeeter tape......you can claim you believe every other portion of the tape.....I think the only classy thing to do is come out and talk about the possibility that the tape was manipulated, apologize about what was played on Dr. Phil was possibly manipulated........instead we hear how it's just irrelevant after weeks and weeks of how it is going to break the case. Oh I agree. I remember the lead ins from Beth herself, how it was explosive evidence that was going to blow the case wide open.

And instead of turning this bombshell over to the authorities, even to the FBI, it gets played on the Dr Phil show. And then she used that tape to say it was gang rape.

And then *poof*, the tape is discredited but not the claims of gang rape!

[Narcissist15]

Oh....then think about how much of these "facts" we hear have came from Jossy.........

I'm sure that those that believed him for so long before he was proven to be a liar even to them haven't separated those "facts" from what they discuss now.....

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Oh....then think about how much of these "facts" we hear have came from Jossy.........

I'm sure that those that believed him for so long before he was proven to be a liar even to them haven't separated those "facts" from what they discuss now.....

I think the drama on Nancy Grace being 'proof' comes in a very close second. Unperson listed the damage Jossy caused to this case with his 'witnesses'. Each and every one fully investigated and checked out with landfills searched and ponds drained, but ALE didn't investigate :rolleyes:

Is Jossy still IMO hiding out in Florida?

Nice seeing you again today! I have to head to bed and hope the storm rolling thru doesn't knock power out.

See you later ! :seeya:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Narcissist15



I don't understand it......I mean that seems to be the case......Joran is the person at all costs......never wrong......I mean look at the Skeeter tape......you can claim you believe every other portion of the tape.....I think the only classy thing to do is come out and talk about the possibility that the tape was manipulated, apologize about what was played on Dr. Phil was possibly manipulated........instead we hear how it's just irrelevant after weeks and weeks of how it is going to break the case.

Narc. I think you made a GREAT point there. That's why we often don't have serious discussion. We have bickering back and forth. I totally agree with you .... instead we have posters who actually question the credibility of DFI. They will actually QUESTION the findings of DFI, because according to them, they are not on par with our FBI. Or .... they are waiting for the FBI'S determination on the Skeeter tape.

You're right .... some will NOT get into a discussion as to why the tape was altered, because that would mean they would have to admit it WAS altered.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Oh I agree. I remember the lead ins from Beth herself, how it was explosive evidence that was going to blow the case wide open.

And instead of turning this bombshell over to the authorities, even to the FBI, it gets played on the Dr Phil show. And then she used that tape to say it was gang rape.

And then *poof*, the tape is discredited but not the claims of gang rape!

Not only THAT nm .... She then actually questioned why people were focusing on 15 seconds ot tape!!!! I'll never forget that episode!!

JMO

[No Nic]

From Deepak's signed statement of 6/16/06. Source BFN

"To your question whether I can state anything about the case of the missing girl, I can say the following. Joran had made up the story that there were traces of blood in my car. My car was ripped open by the police and one could see that was this was a lie. Now he is telling a story about how the police should look into it that I always have money. I have a job and get an allowance from my parents. I am not Joran who steals money from his parents. And I am of the opinion that, that this is not the issue at this moment. If you want to find out what happened to the girl and where she is, you have to be with Joran van der SLOOT Joran van der SLOOT is a disturbed/sich person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother. If the police wants more information about Natalee, then you have to be with Joran. He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee.

D.S. KALPOE

After I, BURKE, had read the statement back to the suspect D.S. KALPOE, he stated that he wished to go through it with his lawyer before he wanted to sign it. This request was agreed to.

Of this, we the reporting officers, on our oath as officers have taken down in this proces-verbaal on June 16th 2005.

The reporting officers,

Kelly Burke"


Interesting, IMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic
From Deepak's signed statement of 6/16/06. Source BFN

"To your question whether I can state anything about the case of the missing girl, I can say the following. Joran had made up the story that there were traces of blood in my car. My car was ripped open by the police and one could see that was this was a lie. Now he is telling a story about how the police should look into it that I always have money. I have a job and get an allowance from my parents. I am not Joran who steals money from his parents. And I am of the opinion that, that this is not the issue at this moment. If you want to find out what happened to the girl and where she is, you have to be with Joran van der SLOOT Joran van der SLOOT is a disturbed/sich person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother. If the police wants more information about Natalee, then you have to be with Joran. He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee.

D.S. KALPOE

After I, BURKE, had read the statement back to the suspect D.S. KALPOE, he stated that he wished to go through it with his lawyer before he wanted to sign it. This request was agreed to.

Of this, we the reporting officers, on our oath as officers have taken down in this proces-verbaal on June 16th 2005.

The reporting officers,

Kelly Burke"

Interesting, IMO
What's interesting about one suspect trying to deflect suspicion away from himself and onto another suspect?

Guilty or innocent, it's what any suspect would do.

[Hey Paula]

Hi NN!

Upon reading the statements, a clearer picture of what might have occurred, and of Joran, himself, begins to emerge.

I'd always wondered why a kid Joran's age lives separate from his family. Deepak's statement has supplied the answers to that question. It is for the good and protection of the rest of Joran's family. I believe his parents are protecting Joran's younger brother from his rage, and themselves from Joran's stealing money from them. I also think the VDS's keep the main house locked to prevent Joran from gaining access.

Now, more than ever, after reading Deepak's statement, I am resolute in my belief that Deepak gave ALE a wealth of info about Joran and what actually occurred the night Natalee disappeared. That's why 2K were released and Joran was held. I believe DK's info checked out.

Now, more than ever, I believe Natalee died in Joran's apartment.

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

What's interesting about one suspect trying to deflect suspicion away from himself and onto another suspect?

Guilty or innocent, it's what any suspect would do. Eagle eyes Joran can see traces of blood,huh? Wonder how Deepak came to hear of this story attributed to Joran - could it be ALE used false declarations to pit one suspect against the other like we have been saying?

Naaaaaaaw, they are too inept to think of that.

LMAO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Hi NN!

Upon reading the statements, a clearer picture of what might have occurred, and of Joran, himself, begins to emerge.

I'd always wondered why a kid Joran's age lives separate from his family. Deepak's statement has supplied the answers to that question. It is for the good and protection of the rest of Joran's family. I believe his parents are protecting Joran's younger brother from his rage, and themselves from Joran's stealing money from them. I also think the VDS's keep the main house locked to prevent Joran from gaining access.

Now, more than ever, after reading Deepak's statement, I am resolute in my belief that Deepak gave ALE a wealth of info about Joran and what actually occurred the night Natalee disappeared. That's why 2K were released and Joran was held. I believe DK's info checked out.

Now, more than ever, I believe Natalee died in Joran's apartment.

IMO

How did Deepak's declaration check out? There was no blood found in the car and Joran was seeing a dentist, not a shrink.

How did Joran get Natalee back to his apt after Deepak dropped them off at the beach and then get back to the beach in time to make the phone call? Did he carry Natalee around on his back?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Hi NN!

Upon reading the statements, a clearer picture of what might have occurred, and of Joran, himself, begins to emerge.

I'd always wondered why a kid Joran's age lives separate from his family. Deepak's statement has supplied the answers to that question. It is for the good and protection of the rest of Joran's family. I believe his parents are protecting Joran's younger brother from his rage, and themselves from Joran's stealing money from them. I also think the VDS's keep the main house locked to prevent Joran from gaining access.

Now, more than ever, after reading Deepak's statement, I am resolute in my belief that Deepak gave ALE a wealth of info about Joran and what actually occurred the night Natalee disappeared. That's why 2K were released and Joran was held. I believe DK's info checked out.

Now, more than ever, I believe Natalee died in Joran's apartment.

IMO

(THANKS to No Nic for finding this exerpt of Deepak's signed statement!)

I absolutely agree, Paula. The pieces are falling into place with the various statements. I especially love it when the statements at the end read "SIGNED" and a date.

Joran is sounding scarier by the day. The typical spoiled rotten, angry, no job, living off mommy and daddy, thief with a gambling, drinking and carousing addiction.

What kind of person steals money from their own parents???

Answer: Usually an addict - of any kind.

This picture is frightening and I can only imagine what poor Natalee suffered at his hands. <shudder>

IMO.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic
From Deepak's signed statement of 6/16/06. Source BFN

"To your question whether I can state anything about the case of the missing girl, I can say the following. Joran had made up the story that there were traces of blood in my car. My car was ripped open by the police and one could see that was this was a lie. Now he is telling a story about how the police should look into it that I always have money. I have a job and get an allowance from my parents. I am not Joran who steals money from his parents. And I am of the opinion that, that this is not the issue at this moment. If you want to find out what happened to the girl and where she is, you have to be with Joran van der SLOOT Joran van der SLOOT is a disturbed/sich person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother. If the police wants more information about Natalee, then you have to be with Joran. He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee.

D.S. KALPOE

After I, BURKE, had read the statement back to the suspect D.S. KALPOE, he stated that he wished to go through it with his lawyer before he wanted to sign it. This request was agreed to.

Of this, we the reporting officers, on our oath as officers have taken down in this proces-verbaal on June 16th 2005.

The reporting officers,

Kelly Burke"


Interesting, IMO

Oh, NN! More than interesting.

This verifies (YET AGAIN) everything that Beth and Dave have claimed about the "blood findings" - among many OTHER things they've stated throughout this case.

Does anyone really think Deepak is going to lie about ALE ripping up his precious car?

No Way.

I fail to see how this makes Beth and Dave look anything other than the anguished, truth telling parents that they are?

imo.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom


How did Deepak's declaration check out? There was no blood found in the car and Joran was seeing a dentist, not a shrink.

How did Joran get Natalee back to his apt after Deepak dropped them off at the beach and then get back to the beach in time to make the phone call? Did he carry Natalee around on his back?
Why is it you don't understand that anyone who says anything against Joran is 100% credible?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


(THANKS to No Nic for finding this exerpt of Deepak's signed statement!)

I absolutely agree, Paula. The pieces are falling into place with the various statements. I especially love it when the statements at the end read "SIGNED" and a date.

Joran is sounding scarier by the day. The typical spoiled rotten, angry, no job, living off mommy and daddy, thief with a gambling, drinking and carousing addiction.

What kind of person steals money from their own parents???

Answer: Usually an addict - of any kind.

This picture is frightening and I can only imagine what poor Natalee suffered at his hands. <shudder>

IMO.

Hi Miami!

Yes, thanks to NN for posting that excerpt.

Perhaps, it was in anticipation of these statements being released through the internet, that the PR move to pose Joran with the blonde, was made in an attempt to neutralize their effect.

Joran is out of control and scary. Unfortunately, I believe Joran is headed down a criminal path, as he is allowed to run amuck, even after having been linked to Natalee's disappearance. The more he is allowed to get away with, without being punished and held accountable, the more dangerous he will become. He is arrogant, and exhibits the hallmark tendencies of a sociopath. He cares only for himself, as is evident in some of his statements.

IMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Oh, NN! More than interesting.

This verifies (YET AGAIN) everything that Beth and Dave have claimed about the "blood findings" - among many OTHER things they've stated throughout this case.

Does anyone really think Deepak is going to lie about ALE ripping up his precious car?

No Way.

I fail to see how this makes Beth and Dave look anything other than the anguished, truth telling parents that they are?

imo.
How can you spin this into there having been blood in Deepak's car?

Deepak says Joran lied about that.

Everybody knows the interior of his car was pretty much ripped up looking for the non-existant blood, but now you're saying there was blood because Deepak says Joran says there was.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


(THANKS to No Nic for finding this exerpt of Deepak's signed statement!)

I absolutely agree, Paula. The pieces are falling into place with the various statements. I especially love it when the statements at the end read "SIGNED" and a date.

Joran is sounding scarier by the day. The typical spoiled rotten, angry, no job, living off mommy and daddy, thief with a gambling, drinking and carousing addiction.

What kind of person steals money from their own parents???

Answer: Usually an addict - of any kind.

This picture is frightening and I can only imagine what poor Natalee suffered at his hands. <shudder>

IMO. oooooo yes, such a scary and frightening boy.

LMAO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Miami!

Yes, thanks to NN for posting that excerpt.

Perhaps, it was in anticipation of these statements being released through the internet, that the PR move to pose Joran with the blonde, was made in an attempt to neutralize their effect.
<snip>
The PR move to pose Joran with a girl?

How do you dream this stuff up?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Oh, NN! More than interesting.

This verifies (YET AGAIN) everything that Beth and Dave have claimed about the "blood findings" - among many OTHER things they've stated throughout this case.

Does anyone really think Deepak is going to lie about ALE ripping up his precious car?

No Way.

I fail to see how this makes Beth and Dave look anything other than the anguished, truth telling parents that they are?

imo. So now the FBI is lying too???


"An FBI spokeswoman confirmed to FOX News that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. The FBI had been asked to process what was believed to be blood found in a car belonging to one of the suspects, but after testing, it was determined not to be blood." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159730,00.html

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Miami!

Yes, thanks to NN for posting that excerpt.

Perhaps, it was in anticipation of these statements being released through the internet, that the PR move to pose Joran with the blonde, was made in an attempt to neutralize their effect.

Joran is out of control and scary. Unfortunately, I believe Joran is headed down a criminal path, as he is allowed to run amuck, even after having been linked to Natalee's disappearance. The more he is allowed to get away with, without being punished and held accountable, the more dangerous he will become. He is arrogant, and exhibits the hallmark tendencies of a sociopath. He cares only for himself, as is evident in some of his statements.

IMO

All this is soooo TRUE, Paula.

I also like your thoughts on the other thread regarding the timing of these statements, where you said to notice how they had been released soon after the judge's verdict regarding the suit!

The idea of the PR move regarding the blonde is also another good insight of yours. It was actually a brilliant move.....but did she have to look so similar to Natalee?? Cruel.

As you, TREE and others have stated, I believe Joran will trip up - especially as his arrogance must be at an all time high due to his father winning the tainted 30 pieces of silver and his not having to testify under oath. He's probably thinking hes home free.....

We shall see.

IMO.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

The PR move to pose Joran with a girl?

How do you dream this stuff up?

ETA: If it was a PR stunt, they'd have a photographer there, they wouldn't rely on a tourist trying to sell some pics to a tabloid.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

The PR move to pose Joran with a girl?

How do you dream this stuff up?

Pretty rich, eh?

Wonder how that girl would feel knowing she is being portrayed as a paid date, a mere actress.

Is the girl from Vegas part of it too? Was she paid to snap the pictures for the US Media? Was she a real tourist or just another actress?

LMAO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


All this is soooo TRUE, Paula.

I also like your thoughts on the other thread regarding the timing of these statements, where you said to notice how they had been released soon after the judge's verdict regarding the suit!

The idea of the PR move regarding the blonde is also another good insight of yours. It was actually a brilliant move.....but did she have to look so similar to Natalee?? Cruel.

As you, TREE and others have stated, I believe Joran will trip up - especially as his arrogance must be at an all time high due to his father winning the tainted 30 pieces of silver and his not having to testify under oath. He's probably thinking hes home free.....

We shall see.

IMO. LMAO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1

<snip>
The idea of the PR move regarding the blonde is also another good insight of yours. It was actually a brilliant move.....but did she have to look so similar to Natalee?? Cruel.
<snip>

Is there a new rule on the board I didn't hear about?

If three of you repeat the same false statement, everyone is supposed to accept it as fact?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Why is it you don't understand that anyone who says anything against Joran is 100% credible?

Oh that's right. And the other statements by Deekpak that don't paint Joran in a bad light are all LIES.

LMAO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Is there a new rule on the board I didn't hear about?

If three of you repeat the same false statement, everyone is supposed to accept it as fact?

That's not a new rule, it's been the rule from day one.

Just post it and once it's repeated at least once, it becomes fact.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom


That's not a new rule, it's been the rule from day one.

Just post it and once it's repeated at least once, it becomes fact.
Between Deepak proving Joran was responsible for blood in his car that no one could find, and turning a romp on the beach into a publicity stunt, I guess I'll have to go to the Sesame Street forum for some intelligent discussion.

Maybe I'll be back tonight.

[nascarmom]

Deepak June 11 signed statement

"On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there. The girl stuck her head out of the window and yelled something. I had not heard what she had yelled.

As to your question if I recognised anyone from this group, I can say the following. It was the same group I had seen outside of "Carlos & Charlie". I also remember a boy that walked up to the car and said to Natalee in English "Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy" (loosely translated by reporting officer: Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy). I then drove a little further and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing near the "Royal Plaza". I had then said to the girl that if your friends think it is better that you go with them, you'd better do that. The girl had said to me that no I am staying with you guys. I then called Joran by his name. He did not answer. He was talking to the girl. I called out to Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES". After that I drove in the direction of the "Renaissance Hotel". There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in a Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends. When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about "Sharks" and "Lighthouse". That is what I had heard. Joran then said "Lighthouse". I knew at that moment that I had to drive to the "Lighthouse". I rolled up the windows and put the air conditioning on and drove towards the "Lighthouse".


Deepak confirms the request by Natalee said something about sharks, that she was asked by one of her friends to get out of the car and refused, that it was her decision to stay in the car, that she yelled something out the window (the woohoo Aruba) and makes it crystal clear that Natalee knew she wasn't in a taxi.

Confirms Joran's account and blows more of Beth's lies out of the water.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Miami!

Yes, thanks to NN for posting that excerpt.

Perhaps, it was in anticipation of these statements being released through the internet, that the PR move to pose Joran with the blonde, was made in an attempt to neutralize their effect.

Joran is out of control and scary. Unfortunately, I believe Joran is headed down a criminal path, as he is allowed to run amuck, even after having been linked to Natalee's disappearance. The more he is allowed to get away with, without being punished and held accountable, the more dangerous he will become. He is arrogant, and exhibits the hallmark tendencies of a sociopath. He cares only for himself, as is evident in some of his statements.

IMO
PR stunt??? LMAO What is supposed to be neutralized, it's not like there are any admissions or confessions in any of the statements. In fact, the statements just point out more of Beth's lies - guess Beth should get Sunny right on it, so she can have her own PR stunt to neutralize the effect of the statements. LMAO
"run amuck"???? Dating and living a normal life is considered 'run amuck'???? And he's 'allowed' to do this? What is that supposed to mean, he's 'allowed to'????

The more is allowed to get away with what????

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back


ETA: If it was a PR stunt, they'd have a photographer there, they wouldn't rely on a tourist trying to sell some pics to a tabloid.

I believe the photographer posed as a tourist to lend credibility. After all, she couldn't very well say, "I work for a PR company who gired me to take pictures of Joran and a blonde to show the world Joran is not dangersous", could she?

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Deepak June 11 signed statement

"On the corner of L.G. SMITH and the Weststraat I saw a group of people standing there. The girl stuck her head out of the window and yelled something. I had not heard what she had yelled.

As to your question if I recognised anyone from this group, I can say the following. It was the same group I had seen outside of "Carlos & Charlie". I also remember a boy that walked up to the car and said to Natalee in English "Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy" (loosely translated by reporting officer: Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy). I then drove a little further and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing near the "Royal Plaza". I had then said to the girl that if your friends think it is better that you go with them, you'd better do that. The girl had said to me that no I am staying with you guys. I then called Joran by his name. He did not answer. He was talking to the girl. I called out to Joran again but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES". After that I drove in the direction of the "Renaissance Hotel". There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in a Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends. When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about "Sharks" and "Lighthouse". That is what I had heard. Joran then said "Lighthouse". I knew at that moment that I had to drive to the "Lighthouse". I rolled up the windows and put the air conditioning on and drove towards the "Lighthouse".


Deepak confirms the request by Natalee said something about sharks, that she was asked by one of her friends to get out of the car and refused, that it was her decision to stay in the car, that she yelled something out the window (the woohoo Aruba) and makes it crystal clear that Natalee knew she wasn't in a taxi.

Confirms Joran's account and blows more of Beth's lies out of the water.

His statement also mentions Satish putting on :porn" in the car and Natalee getting offended. I read somewhere that one of the other girls that were comming forward about Joran doin something to them also said the same thing about them putting on porn in the car!

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I believe the photographer posed as a tourist to lend credibility. After all, she couldn't very well say, "I work for a PR company who gired me to take pictures of Joran and a blonde to show the world Joran is not dangersous", could she?

Then why did her dad have to alert her to Joran being at the pool with a blonde? Is he the president of the PR firm? Was the 'family vacation' story just a cover?

If her goal was to show Joran was not dangerous, why was she claiming disgust and outrage? :confused:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


His statement also mentions Satish putting on :porn" in the car and Natalee getting offended. I read somewhere that one of the other girls that were comming forward about Joran doin something to them also said the same thing about them putting on porn in the car!

imo You read somewhere? Where?

What porn? Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes. :confused:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Oh, NN! More than interesting.

This verifies (YET AGAIN) everything that Beth and Dave have claimed about the "blood findings" - among many OTHER things they've stated throughout this case.

Does anyone really think Deepak is going to lie about ALE ripping up his precious car?

No Way.

I fail to see how this makes Beth and Dave look anything other than the anguished, truth telling parents that they are?

imo.


Perhaps you missed the fact that the spot was tested and it isn't blood? We know Beth missed it, most likely intentionally. But here.....see for yourself.


"An FBI spokeswoman confirmed to FOX News that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. The FBI had been asked to process what was believed to be blood found in a car belonging to one of the suspects, but after testing, it was determined not to be blood."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159730,00.html

In case anyone missed it that link shot down three myths in this case.

1) The FBI had more than an observatory role

2) They do release information

3) The spot in Deepak's car was not blood.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
So now the FBI is lying too???


"An FBI spokeswoman confirmed to FOX News that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. The FBI had been asked to process what was believed to be blood found in a car belonging to one of the suspects, but after testing, it was determined not to be blood." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159730,00.html


Everybody is lying. Carnival Cruise Lines, the FBI, Greta, the DFI, ALE...only Beth is telling the truth :rolleyes:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Then why did her dad have to alert her to Joran being at the pool with a blonde? Is he the president of the PR firm? Was the 'family vacation' story just a cover?

If her goal was to show Joran was not dangerous, why was she claiming disgust and outrage? :confused:



I guess the "I wanted to snatch her up and ask if she knew who she was with"(para) line was just something accidently thrown in the script?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Then why did her dad have to alert her to Joran being at the pool with a blonde? Is he the president of the PR firm? Was the 'family vacation' story just a cover?

If her goal was to show Joran was not dangerous, why was she claiming disgust and outrage? :confused:

For the same reasons I mentioned before, i.e., to lend credibility to the story. The story of "the photographer, vacationing with family", had to appear genuine, including the "outrage and disgust" comments, in order for the PR move to work.

They (collective for those involved in restoring Joran's image) had to have known how damaging the release of these statement would be to Joran.

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


For the same reasons I mentioned before, i.e., to lend credibility to the story. The story of "the photographer, vacationing with family", had to appear genuine, including the "outrage and disgust" comments, in order for the PR move to work.

They (collective for those involved in restoring Joran's image) had to have known how damaging the release of these statement would be to Joran.

IMO


To borrow Tree's favorite line.....


LOAD ALERT


:rolleyes:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


For the same reasons I mentioned before, i.e., to lend credibility to the story. The story of "the photographer, vacationing with family", had to appear genuine, including the "outrage and disgust" comments, in order for the PR move to work.

They (collective for those involved in restoring Joran's image) had to have known how damaging the release of these statement would be to Joran.

IMO


So you are saying that in Mid July, Joran knew statements would be leaked to BFN the first part of August and so hired a PR firm to make himself 'look less dangerous' and the PR firm hired a gal from Vegas to secretly snap his photos and feign disgust to make the story sound real.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom


How did Deepak's declaration check out? There was no blood found in the car and Joran was seeing a dentist, not a shrink.

How did Joran get Natalee back to his apt after Deepak dropped them off at the beach and then get back to the beach in time to make the phone call? Did he carry Natalee around on his back?

You will recall that Joran said they had stopped in front of his house with Natalee in the car. Why would they do that if Joran knew his father was home, and why would his father being home matter, since he had his own apartment and his father lived in the main house?

I believe PVDS played a key and active role. I'd rather not expand on that statement.

IMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You read somewhere? Where?

What porn? Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes. :confused:

I honestly cannot remember where I read it, I have been searching for it.

And as for the nude scenes, look at it like this, if Natalee was ready to get it on with Joran and was making out would she notice nude scenes? Also I have never seen a movie with Nude scenes that really show anything other then a womans breast areat, nothing really on a man... so where would Natalee get offended if it were just nude scenes? And another thing if Natalee and Joran were lip locking so much I wonder how did she notice. AND if Natalee was out for sex why would she be offended...after all some of you feel that she was willing just because she did a jello shot so why would a few nude scenes offend her?

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom



So you are saying that in Mid July, Joran knew statements would be leaked to BFN the first part of August and so hired a PR firm to make himself 'look less dangerous' and the PR firm hired a gal from Vegas to secretly snap his photos and feign disgust to make the story sound real.


Excellent job at debunking that silly theory. :D

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




I guess the "I wanted to snatch her up and ask if she knew who she was with"(para) line was just something accidently thrown in the script?
And she was so convincing on her TV appearance. The girl should be nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actress in the category 'PR Stunts From Aruba'

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


I honestly cannot remember where I read it, I have been searching for it.

And as for the nude scenes, look at it like this, if Natalee was ready to get it on with Joran and was making out would she notice nude scenes? Also I have never seen a movie with Nude scenes that really show anything other then a womans breast areat, nothing really on a man... so where would Natalee get offended if it were just nude scenes? And another thing if Natalee and Joran were lip locking so much I wonder how did she notice. AND if Natalee was out for sex why would she be offended...after all some of you feel that she was willing just because she did a jello shot so why would a few nude scenes offend her?

imo Lots of people get offended by nude scenes, they even block out the private parts of little kids and bare bottoms on AFV. There was no mention of penetration being shown on the DVD and there is no reason why the Naive Virgin Straight A Honors Student With A Full Ride Scholarship would not be offended seeing Naked People.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

And she was so convincing on her TV appearance. The girl should be nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actress in the category 'PR Stunts From Aruba'


Her next role should be in a movie with any leading Hollywood actor. :tongue:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You will recall that Joran said they had stopped in front of his house with Natalee in the car. Why would they do that if Joran knew his father was home, and why would his father being home matter, since he had his own apartment and his father lived in the main house?

I believe PVDS played a key and active role. I'd rather not expand on that statement.

IMO I thought you didn't believe Joran The Liar :confused:

PvdS has been cleared of any wrongdoing in this case - that is a fact. If you are after the truth, why are you ignoring that fact?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Excellent job at debunking that silly theory. :D

It's not even based on any facts and I thought FW said we had to stick to facts - no wild speculating :shrug:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom


It's not even based on any facts and I thought FW said we had to stick to facts - no wild speculating :shrug:

But .... it's based on Beth's "facts", nm.

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Everybody is lying. Carnival Cruise Lines, the FBI, Greta, the DFI, ALE...only Beth is telling the truth :rolleyes:
Carnival even announced the discontinuation of a stop in Barbados citing high fuel prices to make the Aruba story more credible.

They must have the same PR firm that Joran has.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


But .... it's based on Beth's "facts", nm.

JMO Would those be the facts Beth knows but doesn't know because she wanted discovery to see the investigation file because she doesn't know anything but she does know J2K are gang rapers, kidnappers and murderers?

Those facts?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

Carnival even announced the discontinuation of a stop in Barbados citing high fuel prices to make the Aruba story more credible.

They must have the same PR firm that Joran has.


Obviously. :tongue:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You will recall that Joran said they had stopped in front of his house with Natalee in the car. Why would they do that if Joran knew his father was home, and why would his father being home matter, since he had his own apartment and his father lived in the main house?

I believe PVDS played a key and active role. I'd rather not expand on that statement.

IMO

There is no logical reason for not going into Joran's apartment. In one of his polis statements he says he had sex with girls there and they even spent the whole night. Didn't worry about daddy and bro then.((I am at work and cannot go to BFN for the exact quote)). So here is yet another lie from Joran concerning the night Natalee disappeared. They go on and on, never ending tale of Joran Van der Sloot. I think I just came up with the title to his book. :D

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


There is no logical reason for not going into Joran's apartment. In one of his polis statements he says he had sex with girls there and they even spent the whole night. Didn't worry about daddy and bro then.((I am at work and cannot go to BFN for the exact quote)). So here is yet another lie from Joran concerning the night Natalee disappeared. They go on and on, never ending tale of Joran Van der Sloot. I think I just came up with the title to his book. :D

imo


Beth can co author it and double the pages with her lies.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


There is no logical reason for not going into Joran's apartment. In one of his polis statements he says he had sex with girls there and they even spent the whole night. Didn't worry about daddy and bro then.((I am at work and cannot go to BFN for the exact quote)). So here is yet another lie from Joran concerning the night Natalee disappeared. They go on and on, never ending tale of Joran Van der Sloot. I think I just came up with the title to his book. :D

imo You believe Joran the Liar now?

Which statement of Joran's are you referring to, the UNSIGNED ones???

Natalee wanted to see the sharks and the lighthouse and stay the night on the beach so LOGICALLY it would have been her that didn't want to be inside on her last night in Aruba.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


There is no logical reason for not going into Joran's apartment. In one of his polis statements he says he had sex with girls there and they even spent the whole night. Didn't worry about daddy and bro then.((I am at work and cannot go to BFN for the exact quote)). So here is yet another lie from Joran concerning the night Natalee disappeared. They go on and on, never ending tale of Joran Van der Sloot. I think I just came up with the title to his book. :D

imo

Is this the one, NN? This comes from the SIGNED, Joran June 24th Statement. I wonder if Joran even thanked his enabler mother Anita? UGH. IMO.

======================================
"I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Beth can co author it and double the pages with her lies.
Double? More like quadruple!!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Is this the one, NN? This comes from the SIGNED, Joran June 24th Statement.

Look again, Joran did not sign that statement :read:

So now you believe what Joran the liar says, huh?

[julianella]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You will recall that Joran said they had stopped in front of his house with Natalee in the car. Why would they do that if Joran knew his father was home, and why would his father being home matter, since he had his own apartment and his father lived in the main house?

I believe PVDS played a key and active role. I'd rather not expand on that statement.

IMO

Yes I do wonder why they "never went in"? Joran said it was because he didn't want to wake his father, and I find that an odd statement considering his father was asleep...and he says in one of his interviews that when his friends came by his father did not know because he was in a seperate house, and because they just walked in the gate leaving their cars outside...so how could the father not know that his friends would come over but he would know Natalee was there?

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Is this the one, NN? This comes from the SIGNED, Joran June 24th Statement. I wonder if Joran even thanked his enabler mother Anita? UGH. IMO.

======================================
"I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

Looks like "sex on the beach" isn't just a drink to Joran.

He wouldn't know the truth if it was at the bottom of those Yards he likes to drink!

Maybe the title of the book could be: "I won't take this LYING down."

Spanish saying: "A Mango tree doesn't produce avocados."

Anita's consent for her "under-aged" son to have sex with probably an under-aged young lady is IRRESPONSIBLE - to say the least! Don't even get me started on Mango Tree Paulus.

IMO!

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Lots of people get offended by nude scenes, they even block out the private parts of little kids and bare bottoms on AFV. There was no mention of penetration being shown on the DVD and there is no reason why the Naive Virgin Straight A Honors Student With A Full Ride Scholarship would not be offended seeing Naked People.

Then wouldn't you think she would have been offended by the jelly shot?

I mean if she was so into it why would she even be paying attention anyway? And what movie with nude scenes do you think 3 teenage boys were watching? imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Is this the one, NN? This comes from the SIGNED, Joran June 24th Statement. I wonder if Joran even thanked his enabler mother Anita? UGH. IMO.

======================================
"I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

That's it. Thanks, Miami.

:eek: Mommy Anita knew Joran had girls for overnight guests. Oh, I forgot the Dutch are much more liberal about such matters (morals) than Americans.

And for those that ask, yes, I tend to believe what Joran says about incidents that happened before the Natalee case. He would have no reason to lie about that.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


Then wouldn't you think she would have been offended by the jelly shot?

I mean if she was so into it why would she even be paying attention anyway? And what movie with nude scenes do you think 3 teenage boys were watching? imo Why would she be offended by the jelly shot, she wasn't watching nude people :confused:

So into what???

I have no idea what movie they were watching. Teenage boys watching a movie with naked people. Oh the HORROR.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Looks like "sex on the beach" isn't just a drink to Joran.

He wouldn't know the truth if it was at the bottom of those Yards he likes to drink!

Maybe the title of the book could be: "I won't take this LYING down."

Spanish saying: "A Mango tree doesn't produce avocados."

Anita's consent for her "under-aged" son to have sex with probably an under-aged young lady is IRRESPONSIBLE - to say the least! Don't even get me started on Mango Tree Paulus.

IMO! Like you have the right to judge someone's moral fiber, you won't even admit when you are WRONG.

LMAO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


That's it. Thanks, Miami.

:eek: Mommy Anita knew Joran had girls for overnight guests. Oh, I forgot the Dutch are much more liberal about such matters (morals) than Americans.

And for those that ask, yes, I tend to believe what Joran says about incidents that happened before the Natalee case. He would have no reason to lie about that.

imo

You do realize that SEX is not a dirty word, right?

[treetime]

Originally posted by julianella


Yes I do wonder why they "never went in"? Joran said it was because he didn't want to wake his father, and I find that an odd statement considering his father was asleep...and he says in one of his interviews that when his friends came by his father did not know because he was in a seperate house, and because they just walked in the gate leaving their cars outside...so how could the father not know that his friends would come over but he would know Natalee was there?

imo

JORAN tells a lot of LOADS:D

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Beth can co author it and double the pages with her lies.

Constantly bashing Beth will not change the facts in this case, nor will it change the fact that Beth is not responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from Beth, as you will not find the answers from a grieving mother, who, herself, is searching for answers and resolution.

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


And for those that ask, yes, I tend to believe what Joran says about incidents that happened before the Natalee case. He would have no reason to lie about that.

imo Then the claims from the Joran Hater crowd that Joran is a practiced liar, has been lying all his life and is a sociopathic habitually liar are lies?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Would those be the facts Beth knows but doesn't know because she wanted discovery to see the investigation file because she doesn't know anything but she does know J2K are gang rapers, kidnappers and murderers?

Those facts?

I think those would be the "facts", nm ....

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom
I thought you didn't believe Joran The Liar :confused:

PvdS has been cleared of any wrongdoing in this case - that is a fact. If you are after the truth, why are you ignoring that fact?

Yes, PVDS has been cleared by the same people who refuse to prosecute his son, and that's the sad fact, which I'm not ignoring, as it reinforces my belief re the corruption surrounding this tragic case, and even sadder for Natalee's family, who deserves more.

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Constantly bashing Beth will not change the facts in this case, nor will it change the fact that Beth is not responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from Beth, as you will not find the answers from a grieving mother, who, herself, is searching for answers and resolution.

IMO



"If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from Joran"


Works both ways ya know?

And stating the truth is not bashing. Beth has lied just as much, if not more than Joran did. It is a proven fact.

Now....why would the mother of a missing person lie?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Constantly bashing Beth will not change the facts in this case, nor will it change the fact that Beth is not responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from Beth, as you will not find the answers from a grieving mother, who, herself, is searching for answers and resolution.

IMO No one is bashing Beth. There is some heavy duty Anita bashing going on though, how does bashing her change the fact there is no evidence her son committed a crime or change the fact that she is not responsible for Natalee's vanishing?

If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from K2K and Paulus, as you will not find the answers there and instead face the FACT that there is no evidence a crime was committed by any of them.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Watership Down




"If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from Joran"


Works both ways ya know?

And stating the truth is not bashing. Beth has lied just as much, if not more than Joran did. It is a proven fact.

Now....why would the mother of a missing person lie?

I don't believe Beth has lied.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't believe Beth has lied.


Her lies have been documented on every thread in this forum as well as others.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Oh I agree. I remember the lead ins from Beth herself, how it was explosive evidence that was going to blow the case wide open.

And instead of turning this bombshell over to the authorities, even to the FBI, it gets played on the Dr Phil show. And then she used that tape to say it was gang rape.

And then *poof*, the tape is discredited but not the claims of gang rape! KALPOE: She did. You`d be surprised how simple it was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, that`s certainly something you want to brag about, Jamie Skeeters. You`d be surprised how simple it was for all three of us to have sex with Natalee Holloway. You know, it makes my stomach turn over.

Aruba, I hope you`re listening.

SKEETERS: Yes, I agree with you. They even said how easy it was.

GRACE: When you were talking to him, what was running through your mind when he would come out with this?

SKEETERS: Well, my personal feelings were, I`d like to bury him about six feet under. But my mission was to find Natalee.

Crooks aren`t the smartest people in the world. And I was just letting him continue what he was talking and let him hang himself.

GRACE: Wise strategy. Take a listen to this, Deepak Kalpoe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SKEETERS: Sometimes, your closest friends, if they`re worried, and this thing is that big, they`ll burn you.

KALPOE: I don`t have any close friends anymore. They`re all gone.

SKEETERS: Really, because of this?

KALPOE: Everything is empty. If I knew where the body is, I would tell them a long time ago, let them start the trial, and get this over with. I don`t care.

The person that saw something in the morning hours...


Grace (http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/05/ng.01.html)

GRACE: Jamie Skeeters, private detective, you`ve done what an entire Aruban police force couldn`t do. Now, will Aruba do anything about it? Stay with us.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, PVDS has been cleared by the same people who refuse to prosecute his son, and that's the sad fact, which I'm not ignoring, as it reinforces my belief re the corruption surrounding this tragic case, and even sadder for Natalee's family, who deserves more.

IMO No, the judges cleared Paulus. Judges do not prosecute, the Office of the Public Prosecutor does and they never filed charges. So your statement that "PVDS has been cleared by the same people who refuse to prosecute his son" is totally inaccurate.

How did Curaco get sucked into the corruption pile? How did the FBI and SOS not see all this corruption?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Oh....then think about how much of these "facts" we hear have came from Jossy.........

I'm sure that those that believed him for so long before he was proven to be a liar even to them haven't separated those "facts" from what they discuss now..... It's the same with nearly everyone, we have to unlearn what we once believed.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No one is bashing Beth. There is some heavy duty Anita bashing going on though, how does bashing her change the fact there is no evidence her son committed a crime or change the fact that she is not responsible for Natalee's vanishing?

If you truly want to know what happened to Natalee, as you claim you do, I suggest you remove the focus from K2K and Paulus, as you will not find the answers there and instead face the FACT that there is no evidence a crime was committed by any of them.

Anita's name is rarely mentioned on this board, so again you're deflecting. You now claim Anita is bashed because of the bashing that goes on day after day about Beth. Anyone who chooses to read the posts can readily see this.

Removing the focus from J2K/PVDS defeats the purpose of solving this case, as they are the ONLY ones who know EXACTLY what happened to Natalee and where her body is.

There is PLENTY of evidence against all of them.

IMO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't believe Beth has lied.

Okay.....but do you believe the Skeeter tape was manipulated to change the meaning of the actual statements that were made?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

What's interesting about one suspect trying to deflect suspicion away from himself and onto another suspect?

Guilty or innocent, it's what any suspect would do. But why do non-suspects do it?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Okay.....but do you believe the Skeeter tape was manipulated to change the meaning of the actual statements that were made?

No.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Anita's name is rarely mentioned on this board, so again you're deflecting. You now claim Anita is bashed because of the bashing that goes on day after day about Beth.

Removing the focus from J2K/PVDS defeats the purpose of solving this case, as they are the ONLY ones who know EXACTLY what happened to Natalee and where her body is.

There is PLENTY of evidence against all of them.

IMO


There is no evidence Joran harmed Natalee. None, zip, nada. And since a year has gone by and there are no answers it is well past time to look in other directions.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It's the same with nearly everyone, we have to unlearn what we once believed.

MOO

This is quite true as well.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Hi NN!

Upon reading the statements, a clearer picture of what might have occurred, and of Joran, himself, begins to emerge.

I'd always wondered why a kid Joran's age lives separate from his family. Deepak's statement has supplied the answers to that question. It is for the good and protection of the rest of Joran's family. I believe his parents are protecting Joran's younger brother from his rage, and themselves from Joran's stealing money from them. I also think the VDS's keep the main house locked to prevent Joran from gaining access.

Now, more than ever, after reading Deepak's statement, I am resolute in my belief that Deepak gave ALE a wealth of info about Joran and what actually occurred the night Natalee disappeared. That's why 2K were released and Joran was held. I believe DK's info checked out.

Now, more than ever, I believe Natalee died in Joran's apartment.

IMO Then you think Natalee wasn't repeatedly brutally gang raped by J2K and perhaps others?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


No.

Thank you.

Quite telling.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't believe Beth has lied.

Then what do you call it? She said she never talked with Joran the first night on the island, then she says she showed him a picture and asked where her daughter was and he beat his chest.

Did she talk to him or not?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Watership Down



There is no evidence Joran harmed Natalee. None, zip, nada. And since a year has gone by and there are no answers it is well past time to look in other directions.

I place more credence in CE than any other form of evidence, as it is impartial, unbiased, and doesn't lie, like the suspects reapeatedly did in this case.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I place more credence in CE than any other form of evidence, as it is impartial, and doesn't lie, like the suspects reapeatedly did in this case.

You place more credence in weak CE that has many different interpretations....that you always interprete as being guilt.

Instead of real CE that is impartial, and doesn't lie.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Then what do you call it? She said she never talked with Joran the first night on the island, then she says she showed him a picture and asked where her daughter was and he beat his chest.

Did she talk to him or not?

She spoke to him from afar. I don't consider that "talking" to someone.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Why is it you don't understand that anyone who says anything against Joran is 100% credible? For example:

GRACE: Jamie Skeeters, private detective, you`ve done what an entire Aruban police force couldn`t do. Now, will Aruba do anything about it? Stay with us.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Anita's name is rarely mentioned on this board, so again you're deflecting. You now claim Anita is bashed because of the bashing that goes on day after day about Beth. Anyone who chooses to read the posts can readily see this.

Removing the focus from J2K/PVDS defeats the purpose of solving this case, as they are the ONLY ones who know EXACTLY what happened to Natalee and where her body is.

There is PLENTY of evidence against all of them.

IMO No, I'm not deflecting at all. There were numerous posts about her just a little while ago. Anyone who chooses to read the posts can readily see this.

Removing the focus from J2K lead to more arrests. And no, J2K do not know what happened to Natalee or where he body is.


Let's see your 'plenty of evidence'. Let's see your facts. No speculation, just FACTS.

[feelings]

Originally posted by julianella


His statement also mentions Satish putting on :porn" in the car and Natalee getting offended. I read somewhere that one of the other girls that were comming forward about Joran doin something to them also said the same thing about them putting on porn in the car!

imo
I don´t think they asked Natalee whether she wanted to watch a porn with them. They put it on to make it clear what they were interested in. I think she got the message. The porn and Joran´s reaction probably wasn´t what she had expected and made her sick. IMO.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


She spoke to him from afar. I don't consider that "talking" to someone.
How does him going up to the car she was seated in and talking to her qualify as 'speaking to him from afar'?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


You place more credence in weak CE that has many different interpretations....that you always interprete as being guilt.

Instead of real CE that is impartial, and doesn't lie.

If you want to exchange posts with me, do so respectfully. If you can't debat the issues themselves, then don't debate with me at all. I don't criticize your failure to recognize CE, so don't criticize mine, when I adhere to the definition of what CE is.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by feelings

I don´t think they asked Natalee whether she wanted to watch a porn with them. They put it on to make it clear what they were interested in. I think she got the message. The porn and Joran´s reaction probably wasn´t what she had expected and made her sick. IMO. Who said it was porn?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If you want to exchange posts with me, do so respectfully. If you can't debat the issues themselves, then don't debate with me at all. I don't criticize your failure not to recognize CE, so don't criticize mine, when I adhere to the definition of what CE is.

What definition of CE are you adhering to?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


You place more credence in weak CE that has many different interpretations....that you always interprete as being guilt.

Instead of real CE that is impartial, and doesn't lie.

Circumstances don't lie, but people do.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I place more credence in CE than any other form of evidence, as it is impartial, and doesn't lie, like the suspects reapeatedly did in this case.


CE is not impartial and it can lie. CE is interpretational.


Circumstantial evidence is indirect evidence. It is the result of combining seemingly unrelated facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence


There is no significant quantity of corroborating evidence. People learned in the field have said that for months now. I think they know a little more about the law than a messageboard poster.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If you want to exchange posts with me, do so respectfully. If you can't debat the issues themselves, then don't debate with me at all. I don't criticize your failure to recognize CE, so don't criticize mine, when I adhere to the definition of what CE is.

I do it respectfully.......

I pointed out that you seem to feel weak CE with many different interpretations........

instead of real CE.......you don't seem to think there is plenty of CE to prove that the Skeeter tape was manipulated on the Dr. Phil show.......and there seems to be plenty.....including that which you feel is so strong....like the statements by the family after the fact......the lack of statements by Skeeter himself......the Dr. Phil show not turning over the tape after telling Greta that they would.....the FBI not coming out to disagree with the findings of the DFI.....

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


No. The portion that contains the 'confession' has been played in it's unaltered form, how can you say it wasn't manipulated when the actual words are different?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Watership Down



CE is not impartial and it can lie. CE is interpretational.


Circumstantial evidence is indirect evidence. It is the result of combining seemingly unrelated facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence


There is no significant quantity of corroborating evidence. People learned in the field have said that for months now. I think they know a little more about the law than a messageboard poster.

I don't trust what is posted on that site........and if I have ever linked to it......I apologize......as I do not believe it is a credible source......it may have information that is factual....but I don't believe everything on there is based on fact.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I don't trust what is posted on that site........and if I have ever linked to it......I apologize......as I do not believe it is a credible source......it may have information that is factual....but I don't believe everything on there is based on fact.


I tried lectlaw first but for some reason the page wouldn't load.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If you want to exchange posts with me, do so respectfully. If you can't debat the issues themselves, then don't debate with me at all. I don't criticize your failure to recognize CE, so don't criticize mine, when I adhere to the definition of what CE is.

There was nothing disprespectful in Narc's post.

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Who said it was porn?

"I then said to Joran in English: "Now she is going to think that we're perverts (loosely translated by reporting officer: Now the girls is going to think we are perverts). After a while Joran said to Satish in Dutch. "Switch off the DVD, she has had enough of it. "

Why would she think they were pervs over a few a few nude scenes.....

Seems to me it was no regular movie!


imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I believe the photographer posed as a tourist to lend credibility. After all, she couldn't very well say, "I work for a PR company who gired me to take pictures of Joran and a blonde to show the world Joran is not dangersous", could she? She could have yaken video.:biggrin:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The portion that contains the 'confession' has been played in it's unaltered form, how can you say it wasn't manipulated when the actual words are different?

nm .... I have absolutely no doubt in my mind the tape was manipulated. It OBVIOUSLY was manipulated.

What I keep thinking about SINCE I heard that tape, and what a fiasco it turned out to be .... is whether or not Beth was AWARE it was being manipulated, when she kept saying for weeks that the tape was being "worked on", and would turn out to be "evidence" which would turn this case around.

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by julianella


"I then said to Joran in English: "Now she is going to think that we're perverts (loosely translated by reporting officer: Now the girls is going to think we are perverts). After a while Joran said to Satish in Dutch. "Switch off the DVD, she has had enough of it. "

Why would she think they were pervs over a few a few nude scenes.....

Seems to me it was no regular movie!


imo Again, who said it was porn? It could have naked women jello wrestling. If it was porn, why didn't they just say PORN?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom


There was nothing disprespectful in Narc's post.

Are you a lawyer? You seem to always have some sort of defense ready for every inappropriate post your side makes.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Are you a lawyer? You seem to always have some sort of defense ready for every inappropriate post your side makes.


Knock off the drama. It wasn't an inappropriate post. :rolleyes:

[feelings]

Originally posted by julianella


"I then said to Joran in English: "Now she is going to think that we're perverts (loosely translated by reporting officer: Now the girls is going to think we are perverts). After a while Joran said to Satish in Dutch. "Switch off the DVD, she has had enough of it. "

Why would she think they were pervs over a few a few nude scenes.....

Seems to me it was no regular movie!


imo
"At approximately where the "La Cabana Hotel" was, Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes in it. The girl said in English "Oh my God, whats that""

I don´t believe there were a few nude scenes in this DVD. IMO it was only nude scenes.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Knock off the drama. It wasn't an inappropriate post. :rolleyes:

Do you ever tire of using the rolling eye icon?

[feelings]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Again, who said it was porn? It could have naked women jello wrestling. If it was porn, why didn't they just say PORN?
maybe because it is illegal. There are age limits for porn.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Do you ever tire of using the rolling eye icon?


Not when it is appropriate.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Not when it is appropriate.

It seems to be appropriate every time you respond to someone who believes differently than you do.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


It seems to be appropriate every time you respond to someone who believes differently than you do.


It is appropriate when drama queens try to start trouble where there is none, when