Interviews w/ People Involved & Interested

[fsbiii]

I hope Nancy Grace's ignited coverage, and U.S. Representative Jack Kingston's involvement, will open some new doors and put pressure on the guilty parties...

Kingston May Lend Federal Heft To Search For Missing Beauty Queen
Jan. 12, 2006

By Seamus McGraw

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library ) — Nearly four months after high school teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead mysteriously vanished, a prominent Georgia congressman is adding his name to the roster of her supporters.

Seven-term Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican whose district includes the rural Georgia community where Tara was last seen, is scheduled to meet Jan. 24 with the missing woman's family. The purpose of the meeting is to lend support to Tara's family, said Rob Asbell, the congressman's director of communications, and also to attract media attention to the search that so far has yielded few tangible results. "If it brings attention...to the search for Tara then...that's really what he wants," Asbell said.

Kingston also plans to explore other potential areas where he might be able to lend some support, Asbell said. "There's always a chance that if there's any indication that she may have been abducted or...that whatever happened crossed state lines then he can...maybe get someone in the FBI involved."

Noting that eastern Georgia is also home to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the central training facility for the US Department of Homeland Security, Asbell said Kingston would consider the possibility of enlisting trainees to join in future searches for Grinstead. "Perhaps...he might even suggest that some of their people go over and train by searching for her, " Asbell said. "I'm not saying that it would happen, but maybe there might be something that...might help this family."

[hopeinOz]

Hi,
Did anyone catch On the Record? Greta had an interview with Tara's sister Anita and brother-in-law Larry. They were furious about rumours that Larry and Tara had an affair. They denied the affair rumours, and it was also mentioned that Larry had taken a polygraph test (i think they said he passed it).

[Zara]

I heard the only failed question on the poly was about the affair?

[BlkBeauty57]

Hummm.. that interview was something else, wasn't it?

I know I have read on the boards(not for the truth of the matter) that Tara and her sister Anita were not very close-but- hmmm...:shrug:

[Luckys_Wife]

My question is "Why are they questioning him now?" Hasn't he been questioned before? What have they found to focus thier time questioning him to the point of a polygragh being administered? During the polygragh he was asked if had had an affair with Tara.....he failed. Why did he fail? Maybe he was just nervous....but then..... If LE was accusing him of an affair after he failed the LDT then why was he nervous during the test? Something had to spark thier interest in the BIL At this point....anything is possible. IMO

[BlkBeauty57]

I agree, Lucky's_Wife:

One thing I have learned in watching and being interested in true crime cases and mysteries-nothing is impossible. You never know what the truth is.

LE has probably heard that rumour from around Ocilla and they have probably heard it from more than one person, so they had to try to get to the truth of the matter. They can't just say that's probably not true so we won't question him about this. Because if it is true that opens up a whole new avenue-a whole new can of worms. They probably asked him the question first among others and then asked him if he would be willing to take a polygraph. Evidently he agreed to take the test and he failed on that one question according to him and Anita.

Beats me why he failed that one question!:shrug:

As for why he and Anita announced it on Greta it was probably because they are trying to get ahead of maybe the fact that he failed that question-before it became public nationally. They probably wanted to put their spin on it first. The best defense is a good offense etc. or something like that.....

I'm wondering what Anita is really thinking tonight about this...considering the rumour that she and Tara were not that close anyway? If it was me I would probably be somewhat curious!

[xenaxendra]

I think that everyone is looking in the wrong direction. There is a lot of information that supposedly has not been released to the public. It is my opinion that everyone is looking too close to home. If she was taking classes, at night, in another town, I think there are a lot of leads there that have probably not been released. I'm going to lean more towards one of the earlier posts about an obsessed fellow student, or maybe just someone she came accross or even met briefly, pumping gas, or grabbing a quick bottle of water before class. She may have never given it a second thought, but who knows..................
Just a thought.........:rolleyes:

[Atok]

I look close to home until it's weeded out, then I move in circles of interest around her life areas and this would include the college classes. From there I'd move on to tangental connections and then random acts and people of suspicion known.

LE should have exhausted all the close to home leads by now and ought to have been moving through the life areas for some time now. The fact that little was done to reach the collegemates before the semester closed seems to be a real faux pas. The BIL was over at the campus early on becuase he said he felt LE wasn't looking there fast enough either.

The way we treat missing people is backwards IMO.
I wish we assumed a missing person's residence was a crime scene until proven otherwise. This would have preserved alot of now contaminated areas; in this and many other cases. It would help with prosecution when someone is found, now everything is all messed with.

I have the same opinion on organ donation, why aren't we all automatically donors unless we state "NO" on our license? We'd have a lot more organs to save lives with.

[Whatisgoingon]

Well, I feel like there is something to it. How do you fail one question on a lie detecter. On another board it was posted that the Investigator leaked the info. I hate to believe it but honestly, I think there may be some truth to it. I dont know any of them, but you just dong get suspected of something like that. Does he have a criminal backgound, has any one thought to check him out? I think that this may have opened a whole can of worms. He probably would have been better off not doing that interview. Jmo.

[SageRatched :-)]

Im stumped on this one. I caught the GVS interview on the rerun, at 1 this morning. I can't put my finger on it but something just doesn't seem right. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors in people's homes. I do think his background needs checked more closely, before ruling him out altogether.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by SageRatched :-)
Im stumped on this one. I caught the GVS interview on the rerun, at 1 this morning. I can't put my finger on it but something just doesn't seem right. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors in people's homes. I do think his background needs checked more closely, before ruling him out altogether.

I feel the same way. I tried not to post on this forum because I don't want to point fingers on the family if they are innocent but the BIL acted very cocky and tried to be overly convincing that he did not have an affair with her and that he was being "victimized" by law enforcement. Something just didn't seem right about that interview. I hope I'm wrong.

Did anyone else notice the photo the showed of Tara with a male person at the pageant she was in. It looked like the BIL with his arm around her waist. Maybe that family is really close but I can't see myself posing with just my brother in law :confused:

[muipeso]

This is very deep and weighs heavy on what is going on behind the scenes.
Do you remember that right up fornt on day one, the SIS asked MH "what did you do with my sister"? Well IMO this attack on the BIL is related to that incident, and also to the fact BIL hit out on his own without LE sanctions to interview students at Valdosta college. LE is furious about that. The fact that MH lawyered up from day one is also very relevant to this eppisode with the BIL
Just MO

[concernedperson]

I actually believe this is more of a coverup than before.Why, I don't know.I have always believed in GBI. I have always believed them to be totally responsible.I have looked at them for the most horrific crimes. I always trusted them. Please don't make me eat my words as I want them on my side.

[Whatisgoingon]

Ok, I posted this on theories, I cant seem to find which thread is talking about this. Why would they collect his DNA. I mean he was in the house before the LE came and they dont have a body? I was thinking and what if they did in fact find DNA on that glove? Not saying he did it, but what if that is why they collected DNA? Anyway wether he had an affair with her or not, he would have been better off not giving that interview. I dont think it flattered him in any way. I am torn. The more and more things come about the more I am confused. They always say behind each rumor is an inch of truth.

[Whatisgoingon]

They never said anything about the glove. But I was wondering the glove being medical related and him being a doctor, I just was wondering if that may have been why they collected DNA.

[Whatisgoingon]

Well, I use to help girls in pageants in Atlanta, and one thing you never do, is color your hair the day of the pageant. I know, I really hate to think that he had anything to do with it, and even if they did have an affair, that doesn't mean he had something to do with her dissapearance. Did anyone notice on his interview when he said that he has benn inter viewed 3 times and he is not sure, but doesnt think Anita had been interviewed. How would he be not sure.

[Irwinmom]

Hi! Just wanted to respond to gloves being used the day of the pageant. Tara helped my daughter that day and while we were there, no gloves were used!:)

[Whatisgoingon]

Irwin, what are your thoughts? What is everyone saying down there?

[Irwinmom]

There are so many rumors flying around! Alot of what you are reading and I am just as unsure as most. I know when we were there at her house, Tara was happy and very much planning to be around on Monday. We said goodbye after the pageant and I just can't believe that she is gone!

[readingperson]

Originally posted by Candace
All this BIL stuff is taking away the focus of the real culprit, the long-term BF, who was wanting her out of his life..The last straw was Tara banging on his window...The BF was in cahoots with LE. Now LE is grabbing for straws.. The BF should be requestioned. IMO. Not accusing him of murder, but I do think he knows more than he is saying.


I haven't been following this case as well as I wanted to. This is an interesting observation. I saw Greta's program last night and was perplexed by the BIL's interview, although I don't think he did this, at least at this point. I did see the former boyfriend's interview (don't remember his name now) a few months back, and I wasn't too impressed with him. However, I'm not sure why LE would cover for him. Is he or his family a prominent member of the community? I don't know why they would be in cahoots with him, but I may be out of the loop with this, as I haven't been closely following this case. Did you mean LE is grasping at anything to keep things going at this point, or do you really think they are protecting the former boyfriend? Like all of you, I just wish the family had some answers at this point.

[Atok]

Thank you for posting to us, Candace, about your personal feelings. I hope your daughter and the other girls are doing the best they can considering.

I think it's helpful to hear from people who were with her that day. When they say that she was happy and not indicating anything but normalcy we can throw any thoughts of self-designed disappearance out the window.

I never thought she left of her own free will anyway.

I've got a personal sort of question maybe you or your daughter could answer since you were at the house that day.

I am trying to ascertain if it was one of the girls or Tara who may have been having her period that weekend. Products were in Tara's trash. Kind of tacky to ask, I know, but it can eliminate a train of thought for some of us if we know for a fact that Tara was not potentially pregnant.

Some people have theorized news of a pregnancy could have upset one of the men in her life.

[Irwinmom]

I guess everyone has different opinions. Some tell me that they lean toward the boyfriend. Others think that the married police officer still concerns them because of all the phone calls. I think everyone feels that it is not a random act. Not much has been said about the BIL. No one has said anything about believing that Mr. P is involved. He is the only one that I know pretty well. I know that he and his wife loved Tara and both spent time with her. I don't know if Tara talked to any of the girls about anything personal. Our community sure does need some answers!! The young people are hurting alot! :( :(

[Irwinmom]

Atok, Are you asking me or Candace ?

[Atok]

Oops I meant my post to Irwinmom, on the personal products question.

It's late.

There were a long string of posts that went into speculation about JP. I posted several questions awhile back that were addressed primarily by a resident of the community.

I have one by one posted on each person of interest, not always on this board.
Just trying to get my facts straight and delete erroneous gossip when I can. It kind of feels pointless trying to do this becuase I don't have any LE information, I'm nobody but a sleuth poster. I just keep hoping that an unbiased pair of eyes might see something that's being overlooked, something that can make the difference for this case.

[BlkBeauty57]

The GBI probably already has the results of the glove and if they are anything like the FBI- I doubt they will release what if any results they got to the public.

Especially if they got results back that implicates someone- they are still investigating-they will just add it to their arsenal of evidence to use in a prosecution.

So, they probably have the results of the glove in their possession and they probably won't release those results to the public until they get to court.

[Irwinmom]

Originally posted by Atok
Oops I meant my post to Irwinmom, on the personal products question.

It's late.

There were a long string of posts that went into speculation about JP. I posted several questions awhile back that were addressed primarily by a resident of the community.

I have one by one posted on each person of interest, not always on this board.
Just trying to get my facts straight and delete erroneous gossip when I can. It kind of feels pointless trying to do this becuase I don't have any LE information, I'm nobody but a sleuth poster. I just keep hoping that an unbiased pair of eyes might see something that's being overlooked, something that can make the difference for this case.

Atok,
I have no idea regarding the personal question that you asked!
I can tell you that I also have never believed that Tara left on her own! She made several statements that day, that refered to the future. She had loaned my daughter several items to wear in the pageant and when I thanked her she said no problem just have your daughter drop them by my classroom on Monday. She also said that she worked in Valdosta Ga. doing makeup for a retailer and that she planned to work some throughout the upcoming x-mas holidays. That does not sound like someone planning to disappear!!
I told the GBI all of this when I was interviewed.

[Atok]

Thanks for the reply, Irwinmom. I wasn't sure how to approach that topic! I guess it's a question Dr. G might have had the answer to.

I feel the GBI might have said there wasn't any point in the glove, if they hadn't found anything. Didn't they say there was no reason to believe the clothes/sunglasses found on the search had any connection to Tara?
Not speaking leads me to believe they have one bit of info, but aren't sure how/if it connects to the disappearence. So as not to compromise it, they have said nothing. There is a chance that there is nothing to the glove and they don't want to say that becuase it's disheartening/embarassing they have no progress. :shrug:
This is all random guesses, we won't know until they say something publicly. They won't say something publicly until they have a locked case.

[IBC]

There are so many "civilian" people who have done questionable things to compromise the investigation - JP and the car wash. mowing the lawn and now BIL searching through Tara's house.

I just cannot imagine that either my husband or I would mow the lawn or wash a car that was part of an investigation. And, neither of us would consider going through even a close relative's things (wastebasket, drawers, etc.), possibly compromising an investigation. Or, what about the many people who wandered through Tara's house? What were these people thinking? What was LE thinking to allow this?

IMO the culprit will need to admit guilt or someone would need to testify against him/her because after this long there's probably not going to be much evidence on a body. It also doesn't seem like there is much circumstantial evidence, but GBI may know better. As to WHO? Which day of the week is this? Which way is the wind blowing today?

If authorities were notified by 8:50 AM on the Monday morning that Tara didn't show up for work, how did it happen that Anita and her husband were in the house BEFORE LE came to investigate and check up on Tara to see where she was?

Also, someone stated in another area that the neighbor was requested to go over there and went ALONE.
Did he let himself in with the key or did he just knock and nobody came to the door?

Also, I'd like to clarify exactly what time did LE go to Tara's home on Monday?

Who was present at that time? IS it true that JP let the police inside using his key??????????????

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally posted by BlkBeauty57
The GBI probably already has the results of the glove and if they are anything like the FBI- I doubt they will release what if any results they got to the public.

Especially if they got results back that implicates someone- they are still investigating-they will just add it to their arsenal of evidence to use in a prosecution.

So, they probably have the results of the glove in their possession and they probably won't release those results to the public until they get to court.

The GBI are as closed mouthed as the FBI, they do not discuss their cases, especially any evidence.

I am taken aback a little by the BIL being asked to take poly. Since the Richard Jewell fiasco they are very cautious on what they do. I don't think the BIL is involved or had an affair (I hope not) but I don't think for one second the GBI just pulled him in on whim. They would have to have something more than that. Now it may be multiple people they have talked with that are telling the same story.

Nothing will come from the GBI until an arrest is made if that ever happens. Sometimes I get the sickest feeling it will be a long, long time before Tara is found. I hope I am wrong.

IMO

Ocean

[NancynNC]

It does not make sense to me for the GBI to interview BIL for 2 hours and never ask him if he had anything to do with Tara's disappearance. What was the point in this test?? Was the GBI sending a message to BIL to back off and leave the case to them?
I sure hope they would be above all this pettiness.

At least the BIL did cooperate. MH lawyered up and took a private test.

snipped'


LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD'S BROTHER-IN-LAW: They asked me a lot of questions. I don't believe they ever asked me if I had hurt Tara or done anything to her. Mainly they were interested in my history, my medical history, Tara's personal medical history. They were interested in rumors that they had heard and about some sort of inappropriate affair I had had with Tara supposedly.

[NancynNC]

After reading about the medical past of BIL, the GBI may have thought that he gave Tara some drug.

http://www.medicalboard.state.ga.us/bdsearch/pdf/04-019949.pdf

Ocillian, this is sad for me to read. I wouldn't want anybody to give up or slow down a search if I was missing.

Can people form their own search parties and just walk and look?
Are people doing this, but we just don't hear about it?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Ocillian
Yeah you can pretty much do whatever and I've seen random groups of people throughout the week and weekends combing through the ditches and things by my house several times. But several weeks ago. For example, don't quote me on this but I believe they had only about 60 people volunteering on the last search. I'm sure they were grateful for that but the "numbers" are just way down. The Tara Command Center use to look like a family reunion gathering of LE everyday and now there's usually 1 or 2 cars (maybe 3 or 4 on the weekends) there that are for the effort. Its sad really but people have to work and carry out their lives too I guess.

The thing about forming your own searching is the fact that probably every piece of PUBLIC land has been searched and you can't just go on other people's property that easily.

Actually, I think this is a big clue in itself. Who has private land that is not searched? Why?Tara is out there somewhere.

[concernedperson]

I guess I am disappointed to learn that the search efforts so far haven't brought any resolve. I did not realize that the numbers were way down as I thought this is a real close town with tons of people searching. Mistaken!!

[grandline]

I was reading in the news about a 3 year old adopted boy somewhere south of Jesup, GA who was killed by his adoptive mother and his body was not far from they highway. His mother actually confessed pretty quickly and took authorities to the body and LE in that case admits that had she not done that, it could have been quite difficult to find the body. There is so much timberland in South GA and much of it looks pretty identical.

In this case, searchers could walk circles for hours and not even realize it unless they were very careful in marking and calculating their paths.

That, combined with the large amount of unsearched private land, is what concerns me.

[Atok]

While the highways aren't far away, the fact that her car was stored, unlocked with the seat in an position not used by her is the detail that keeps me returning to local involvment.

Does anyone know if the seat change and the car being unlocked was noted BEFORE anyone used the car, like the neighbor taking it to the carwash?

This detail matters in several theories.

[Mindis]

Good point Atok.. I'm thinking before it went to the car wash though since they had dusted for prints already and assume they saw the position of the seat at that time. But, anything is possible at this point..

It has been stated on this message board that the neighbor was IN the car before LE was, so, if this is true, he could have inadvertently slid the seat back.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE:

If the seats are electrical, the engine would have to be running in order to let the seats back, right?

But if the seat has a manual lever under or beside the seat, then it's possible that neighbor just slid it back.

But, if neighbor did not start the ignition on the day he was in the car before LE processed the car, and the seats are electrical, then the seat had to be moved BACK prior to him getting in it and it clears him of moving the seat back, see? Which is good for him, really!

I read on here that neighbor took the car on FRIDAY after it had been fingerprinted and processed by LE, which means he didn't have a REASON to turn on the ignition and crank the car before driving it to be cleaned, get my idea here? This is good for him only if the seats are electrical.

Again, if the seats are electrical, this is important because it means that the car ignition was on and there was battery power when the seat was moved back.

Since neighbor has a key, I don't know why he would START the car under the garage to just look around in it. I believe Mr. Portier probably did just look around, but did not start it at all.
Why would he do this until he drove it to the car wash?

This is a very good point for Mr. Portier if anybody would like to share that. It's in his favor here ONLY if the seats are electrical and he didn't crank it up before FRIDAY when he took it to the wash. It means he didn't move those seats during the time he took a look around in it before LE did. If this is true, then we can eliminate the doubt about whether or not he moved the seat without thinking that morning.

Please tell me somebody sees the significance in this.

So, does anybody know if he cranked it up that day he was in it before LE processed?(If it's even true that he was in there before processing?)

If he DID NOT crank the car when he got in to take a look (if he really did get in it that day) then some of us can mark this off as a question in our mind about how that seat got moved back.

We can mark him off as maybe having inadvertently moving it back witout realizing it. Electrical seats+ no crank by Mr. P=seat already back, Mr. P. could not have let it back that morning.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Ocillian
NancyNC,

Notice that BIL pointed out the GBI didn't question him about Tara's dissappearance THIS time. He never said they haven't questioned him about it AT ALL. He said this was the fifth time he was questioned. If someone thinks the GBI hasn't questioned him about the possibility of him doing something to Tara, that's ignorance. He should've been asked, "Has he been questioned about that at all?" I bet he has. They've(family) simply bashed the GBI and other LE, and I believe the GBI was letting them know they're still in charge. Don't let the media or anyone else fool those of you who are from out of town, its sad to say, but the "search" has just about completely vanished. When the media such as CNN or FOX rolls into town, everything catches a second wind but soon it goes back to nothing. I say this not for any other reason but to give people who are not from here, a bit of the reality of the situation.

Ocillian, Thanks so much for your input, as a local.
I am sure they have asked the BIL about her disappearance but this time they had him hooked up for a test. Why not then? I thought at first it was a message too, but after reading about the Dr.'s past history and being on probation, it changes my thoughts. IMO the GBI thinks maybe the Dr. did give a prescription or some drugs to Tara. Maybe they are looking at the angle that she may have over dosed and the Dr. knew his goose was cooked if LE found his drugs at the scene.
I do appreciate your posts.

[threesnugbugs]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Ocillian, Thanks so much for your input, as a local.
I am sure they have asked the BIL about her disappearance but this time they had him hooked up for a test. Why not then? I thought at first it was a message too, but after reading about the Dr.'s past history and being on probation, it changes my thoughts. IMO the GBI thinks maybe the Dr. did give a prescription or some drugs to Tara. Maybe they are looking at the angle that she may have over dosed and the Dr. knew his goose was cooked if LE found his drugs at the scene.
I do appreciate your posts.


This makes so much sense. Good thoughts.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I guess I am disappointed to learn that the search efforts so far haven't brought any resolve. I did not realize that the numbers were way down as I thought this is a real close town with tons of people searching. Mistaken!!

I was shocked by the low number of people who turned out.
I have seriously thought about going down to help. I live in northern NC and it is a 6 hour drive to Atlanta so I do not know how long it would take me to get to Ocilla. I probably would have to go alone, but if there is another search, I will try.
I live in a small town, no bigger than Ocilla, so never think we are all people from big cities. I understand the closeness that exists. But it would really upset me to think that maybe a murderer is living amongst us. I would want that person caught, for my sake.

[gafan33]

Originally posted by Mindis
Good point Atok.. I'm thinking before it went to the car wash though since they had dusted for prints already and assume they saw the position of the seat at that time. But, anything is possible at this point..


Mindis, my car has electrical seats and I can adjust them just with a push of a button even when my key isn't in the ignition.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Ocillian


Actually, its the other way around. I think the family is very happy that the search efforts haven't brought any resolve. If they had that would probably mean her REMAINS were found but since they weren't that means there's a good chance she's still alive. You know, it is a real close town and I take hard offense to that comment as you are saying our community is lazy, uncaring and selfish. I think not. Excuse me and I'm sorry for saying this if it offends anyone but other people do have lives too. I have kids that depend on me to work and provide food on the table and clothes on their backs. If I was fortunate to not HAVE to work, I would be out searching and volunteering everyday. This is the reason why the numbers are way down. Not because our community is not close knit or don't care! We care alot for Tara and hope as much as anyone for her safe return but I have bills I have to pay and kids to take care of. Oh and uh, Atlanta is not that far away, we'd be glad to have you lend a hand!

If I could I would be there. I am not saying any of the things you posted I am saying I was surprised that the numbers aren't higher.My thoughts are with Tara otherwise I wouldn't be here.You don't know my situation nor do I know yours. Please don't lay blame on someone that is here because they care.

[Mindis]

Originally posted by gafan33



Mindis, my car has electrical seats and I can adjust them just with a push of a button even when my key isn't in the ignition.

Yes, mine are the same... I don't know.. wish I did...

[Mindis]

Originally posted by Ocillian


Actually, its the other way around. I think the family is very happy that the search efforts haven't brought any resolve. If they had that would probably mean her REMAINS were found but since they weren't that means there's a good chance she's still alive. You know, it is a real close town and I take hard offense to that comment as you are saying our community is lazy, uncaring and selfish. I think not. Excuse me and I'm sorry for saying this if it offends anyone but other people do have lives too. I have kids that depend on me to work and provide food on the table and clothes on their backs. If I was fortunate to not HAVE to work, I would be out searching and volunteering everyday. This is the reason why the numbers are way down. Not because our community is not close knit or don't care! We care alot for Tara and hope as much as anyone for her safe return but I have bills I have to pay and kids to take care of. Oh and uh, Atlanta is not that far away, we'd be glad to have you lend a hand!

I hear ya... I would be there if I could.. I'm not working right now but I'm going through radiation. I don't have treatment on the weekends but with being out with diability and the side effects of radiation I cannot be there. All I can do is pray for Tara.. I hope that's enough, it's all I can offer at this time.. :(

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I hope Nancy Grace's ignited coverage, and U.S. Representative Jack Kingston's involvement, will open some new doors and put pressure on the guilty parties...

Kingston May Lend Federal Heft To Search For Missing Beauty Queen
Jan. 12, 2006

By Seamus McGraw

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library ) — Nearly four months after high school teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead mysteriously vanished, a prominent Georgia congressman is adding his name to the roster of her supporters.

Seven-term Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican whose district includes the rural Georgia community where Tara was last seen, is scheduled to meet Jan. 24 with the missing woman's family. The purpose of the meeting is to lend support to Tara's family, said Rob Asbell, the congressman's director of communications, and also to attract media attention to the search that so far has yielded few tangible results. "If it brings attention...to the search for Tara then...that's really what he wants," Asbell said.

Kingston also plans to explore other potential areas where he might be able to lend some support, Asbell said. "There's always a chance that if there's any indication that she may have been abducted or...that whatever happened crossed state lines then he can...maybe get someone in the FBI involved."

Noting that eastern Georgia is also home to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the central training facility for the US Department of Homeland Security, Asbell said Kingston would consider the possibility of enlisting trainees to join in future searches for Grinstead. "Perhaps...he might even suggest that some of their people go over and train by searching for her, " Asbell said. "I'm not saying that it would happen, but maybe there might be something that...might help this family."

Hi Fissbiiii, found this post and a FEW other posts about this State Rep's meeting with the FAMILY near the end of Jan.

But I can't find any follow up to it.

And if this meeting was the end of January, and all official GBI/LE searches ended in February just makes me think more and more that there is no crime here.

Any of you locals know this Rep? Is it worth a call to his office maybe?

And was it around this time that Nancy Grace's trip to Oscila got hi- jacked?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Hi Fissbiiii, found this post and a FEW other posts about this State Rep's meeting with the FAMILY near the end of Jan.

But I can't find any follow up to it.

And if this meeting was the end of January, and all official GBI/LE searches ended in February just makes me think more and more that there is no crime here.

Any of you locals know this Rep? Is it worth a call to his office maybe?

And was it around this time that Nancy Grace's trip to Oscila got hi- jacked?

Would this be the first time political figures haven't followed up on what they said they would do?

Har har.
:o

P.S. Why did you "bold" the word "FEW". Please share the other posts.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Would this be the first time political figures haven't followed up on what they said they would do?

Har har.
:o

P.S. Why did you "bold" the word "FEW". Please share the other posts.

Wow....this is an interesting response.

Do a a search here on CTV..with the name of the Rep....there are only 3 responses. I call that a FEW

So what did he do or not do to upset you?

[fsbiii]

SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

[concernedperson]

I got a pm that said one of these dudes was kin to Marcus. Implicating a bigger coverup. Not saying politicians aren't capable but at some point we just need to look for truth.

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by fsbiii
SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

Maybe the dateline segment (re-airing tonight) will rekindle interest in the quest for information on this case. Hope so!

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I got a pm that said one of these dudes was kin to Marcus. Implicating a bigger coverup. Not saying politicians aren't capable but at some point we just need to look for truth.


UGH? What dudes?

Are you on the right thread?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by simply quiet



UGH? What dudes?

Are you on the right thread?

Yes, I am on the right thread. Can't remember his name but he accompanied Sonny Perdue to Ocilla and is on the governor's list. Post the names and then I can identify. He was local to Ocilla though.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Yes, I am on the right thread. Can't remember his name but he accompanied Sonny Perdue to Ocilla and is on the governor's list. Post the names and then I can identify. He was local to Ocilla though.

Roberts maybe?

I heard this too, so now I'm wondering.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by fsbiii
SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

Thanks Fssssbbiiii

I think I am going to follow up with him.

Its just very curious that the family couldn't convice him to do anything.....from what I can gather.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Thanks Fssssbbiiii

I think I am going to follow up with him.

Its just very curious that the family couldn't convice him to do anything.....from what I can gather.

Excellent idea. ANY follow up would be welcome.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Excellent idea. ANY follow up would be welcome.

Oh Grasshopper...I notice you seem to have to post on every active thread......you don't seem to have anything to add to the discussion....so grasshopper if I get some new details how can I reach you?

Surely by tomorrow you will be trolling somewhere else....so leave me an e-mail or a pm and I will fill you in.....LMAO

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Oh Grasshopper...I notice you seem to have to post on every active thread......you don't seem to have anything to add to the discussion....so grasshopper if I get some new details how can I reach you?

Surely by tomorrow you will be trolling somewhere else....so leave me an e-mail or a pm and I will fill you in.....LMAO

You can PM me right here SQ. How can I reach you? Same way?

[fsbiii]

Looking back at something that's been lost in the fracas--the interview of Larry Gattis by CourtNet journalist Larry Harriet.

According to Mr. Gattis, he and Tara "did some e-mails" back and forth where Tara was worried and getting a little afraid of Harper. Gattis says that Tara said that Harper said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities. Gattis said Tara confided in him, and that during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen. Gattis says he emailed her back, sometime during the summer before she went missing, and said he was worried "it would get worse with Marcus" and he warned her about that situation.

1. When was Harper home during the summer of 2005 for this to be occurring?

2. When was Tara in Atlanta with Ms. Anderson during the summer of 2005, and how long did she stay with her?

3. Did Mr. Gattis do anything with this information at the time or just warn Tara that it would get worse?

4. Has Anita Gattis mentioned this information in any media, or did only Larry Gattis know about it?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by Results


Just a thought that came to mind. I remember that AG told NG on the Jan 12 & 13 interview that she thought the GBI could do more and NG told AG I believe that we are all aware of that in an aggrevated tone like NG was sick of hearing it. Wonder if NG had talked to GBI & the Rep? Just wondering.
It was suggested to call the Rep's office. Just do it. That way you won't have to rely on speculation.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Looking back at something that's been lost in the fracas--the interview of Larry Gattis by CourtNet journalist Larry Harriet.

According to Mr. Gattis, he and Tara "did some e-mails" back and forth where Tara was worried and getting a little afraid of Harper. Gattis says that Tara said that Harper said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities. Gattis said Tara confided in him, and that during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen. Gattis says he emailed her back, sometime during the summer before she went missing, and said he was worried "it would get worse with Marcus" and he warned her about that situation.

1. When was Harper home during the summer of 2005 for this to be occurring?

2. When was Tara in Atlanta with Ms. Anderson during the summer of 2005, and how long did she stay with her?

3. Did Mr. Gattis do anything with this information at the time or just warn Tara that it would get worse?

4. Has Anita Gattis mentioned this information in any media, or did only Larry Gattis know about it?

This may answer #1 question. There is no date but it comes from MH when he was interviewed by Greta.

snip'

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So after, let's say, October 2004 until September 2005, when you're in the area — because I know that you travel for business — did you see her often?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: How often did you see her?

HARPER: We remained friends. Any time I was home from business, you know, we would see each other. This past summer, we even went to a movie together as friends.

[fsbiii]

Thanks, NC. I have info that he went back overseas for work in "mid July 2005" - so he must've been home in early July, perhaps June too. I believe Tara was in ATL during July 2005 at some time, based on the Anderson interview.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Thanks, NC. I have info that he went back overseas for work in "mid July 2005" - so he must've been home in early July, perhaps June too. I believe Tara was in ATL during July 2005 at some time, based on the Anderson interview.

Could you post some of the Anderson interview? My mind is a blank tonight.

[fsbiii]

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9974712/

ANDERSON: Last time I actually spoke with her was probably in late September. She came to Atlanta to stay with me in late July, I started a new job in early October, and so we had hadn‘t really spoken at length since that time.

Originally posted by NancynNC


Could you post some of the Anderson interview? My mind is a blank tonight.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9974712/

ANDERSON: Last time I actually spoke with her was probably in late September. She came to Atlanta to stay with me in late July, I started a new job in early October, and so we had hadn‘t really spoken at length since that time.



Thanks, I had forgotten all about that interview. I think it was interesting that she was interviewed by GBI the next day after Tara was missing. Could be that they thought she may have went to her in Atlanta. She does not state what she told the GBI.

snip'
ANDERSON: You know, I—anything official, I certainly don‘t have any information about. I was interviewed the next day after the—after she was discovered missing by the GBI. And that is all the contact I have had.

[fsbiii]

I found it interesting that GBI got ahold of her rather quickly. Perhaps in recent phone history or email history? Or just told about by family, perhaps.

Originally posted by NancynNC


Thanks, I had forgotten all about that interview. I think it was interesting that she was interviewed by GBI the next day after Tara was missing. Could be that they thought she may have went to her in Atlanta. She does not state what she told the GBI.

snip'
ANDERSON: You know, I—anything official, I certainly don‘t have any information about. I was interviewed the next day after the—after she was discovered missing by the GBI. And that is all the contact I have had.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I found it interesting that GBI got ahold of her rather quickly. Perhaps in recent phone history or email history? Or just told about by family, perhaps.




It goes to show that we know nothing about what the GBI really knows. They seemed to be on this case from the very beginning. Interviewing Ms. Anderson, ME, and probably many others so quickly. We have no idea what they have found. It is for the best, but so hard to us to understand.

[fsbiii]

Perhaps the most accurate posting of the month! (We're only 2 days in though!)

Originally posted by NancynNC



It goes to show that we know nothing about what the GBI really knows. They seemed to be on this case from the very beginning. Interviewing Ms. Anderson, ME, and probably many others so quickly. We have no idea what they have found. It is for the best, but so hard to us to understand.

[NancynNC]

And a Happy Fourth weekend to you Fsbiii and to all the other posters.

:patriot:

[kys]

Originally posted by fsbiii
SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

FSB, wasn't that J4T and sassy that siad that??

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Excellent idea. ANY follow up would be welcome.

Bumping for discussion. SQ did you get any follow up on this yet? Weren't you going to contact someone?

[kys]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Bumping for discussion. SQ did you get any follow up on this yet? Weren't you going to contact someone?

MSN, maybe you can answer this question for me, whasn't it J4T and sassy that came here and threw out all kinds of BS including they were with the GBI as well??? hmmmmmmmm

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by kys


MSN, maybe you can answer this question for me, whasn't it J4T and sassy that came here and threw out all kinds of BS including they were with the GBI as well??? hmmmmmmmm
I don't know either one of those people. Do you have a post from one of them that indicates something like that? If it was "BS", then you shouldn't believe it anyway, but no, I don't know them.

Has anyone contacted the Rep's office? I'd really like to know.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by guitarstring
MSN, do you know RR or his family?

No I don't. Why do you ask?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

Has anyone contacted the Rep's office? I'd really like to know.

Here in the US it is a Holiday weekend.

I am sure no one has been in their offices.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Here in the US it is a Holiday weekend.

I am sure no one has been in their offices.
I'm in the US too, thanks. I really didn't think about yesterday being part of the holiday though. Perhaps tomorrow then?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

I'm in the US too, thanks. I really didn't think about yesterday being part of the holiday though. Perhaps tomorrow then?

Unless you are part of a split personality. One in Canada and one in Alabama. You being the only one with Hawkinsville connections.

[rhill]

bump

[luvmy2labpups]

Where has he gone? Is he still involved, if not why?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Unless you are part of a split personality. One in Canada and one in Alabama. You being the only one with Hawkinsville connections.

Concernedperson, I'm not from Canada nor Alabama. I really don't understand your obsession with this.

[NancynNC]

I am bumping this up for the people that think we have not talked about LG. With the 30 day default setting on the main page, some readers think we have few threads, Not true.

[NancynNC]

I found this post by Irwinmom that she was interviewed by the GBI. It is a very informative post. IMO

About half way down the page.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=253181&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by NancynNC
I found this post by Irwinmom that she was interviewed by the GBI. It is a very informative post. IMO

About half way down the page.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=253181&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

I read that earlier after you bumped the thread. It was informative and means more now than ever. This was a person who was actually observing Tara on the day of her disappearance.

It rings sincere to me so this would be that Tara was not acting distraught over anything. Planning her next life steps and going on as usual. No hand wringing over relationships or tears for lost loves.

Thanks for the "new" old info.

[odette]

Originally posted by hopeinOz
Hi,
Did anyone catch On the Record? Greta had an interview with Tara's sister Anita and brother-in-law Larry. They were furious about rumours that Larry and Tara had an affair. They denied the affair rumours, and it was also mentioned that Larry had taken a polygraph test (i think they said he passed it).

Can anyone tell me if LG has been "cleared" by GBI or not. According to this article it would appear to me that he hasn't been. IMO

Crime Library ~ Seamus McGraw ~ 1/30/06

quote: Frustrated by the scrutiny and what he believed to be heavy-handed treatment by the investigators, G****s said he underwent a polygraph test — he says he demanded it, law enforcement sources strongly dispute that, which sources have said he passed — and also decided to speak publicly about the treatment he received at the hands of investigators. And his decision to speak out, he said, has tempered the treatment he has received from investigators. "They've been a little nicer," G****s said, adding that he received a telephone call late last week from the GBI brass informing him that he was no longer in the investigators' cross hairs. Law enforcement sources also dispute that, saying they have ruled no one in or out as a result of the investigation thus far. :end quote

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0106/3001_rumors_tar_tara_brotherinaw2.html

[concernedperson]

My opinion would be that no one is cleared. Bottem line is everyone has to be looked at and no exceptions. Even me as a regular poster. Of course, GBI would get a hoot out of that. But, please come and talk to me.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Thanks Fssssbbiiii

I think I am going to follow up with him.

Its just very curious that the family couldn't convice him to do anything.....from what I can gather.

SQ, anything new from Kingston's office? You said you'd follow up with him. What did he have to say?

[luvmy2labpups]

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:viVGCrlRzNMJ:www.13wmaz.com/news/local_headlines.aspx%3Fstoryid%3D19300+A****+G**** s&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

ANITA GATTIS: SISTER
"It's like looking in a snow globe. It doesn't seem real."

Gattis says the only sign of something wrong is the finger print dust on her sister's car. Except for gloves investigators left behind, the house looks perfect.

ANITA GATTIS: SISTER
"There's no sign of a scuffle. It looks like she left with someone she knew maybe to check on a kid or a friend or to run an errand."

[concernedperson]

The url is not valid.

[luvmy2labpups]

Try this one

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:viVGCrlRzNMJ:www.13wmaz.com/news/local_headlines.aspx%3Fstoryid%3D19300+A

[BroadwayJoe]

That's a very old article. What's your point?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
That's a very old article. What's your point?

What's your point?

Anita stated, "there was no sign of a scuffle".

A few days later she's talking about the clock, lamp, jewelry, etc., claiming there was some type of struggle in Tara's house.

You don't understand the point behind questioning inconsistent (and contradictory) information? If not, you obviously don't want Tara found.

[sogalady]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
That's a very old article. What's your point?


For heaven's sake,, Why would you have to ask?

[luvmy2labpups]

Ok, now lets look at another one

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PDGPAcrf1iAJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html+Maria+Hulett,+nancy+grace&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1


HULETT: Yes, I walked in the door, looked where her shoes would usually be, you know, to see if she had hurried out the door, maybe, looked around to see if anything had fallen off the tables, if there looked like (INAUDIBLE) having a struggle, you know? I immediately knew that something had to have been wrong for her not to have shown up for work, not to call home. There had to have been something wrong. So I...

GRACE: Now, what about the clock-radio and the lamp?

HULETT: I didn`t see the clock. That was later on, when I went back the second time, did I see the clock.

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.



OK, she never mentions anything about the lamp, but says she is looking for anything fallen off tables, she doesn't see the clock, but sees the shoes on the floor, the really nice ones? On the floor next to the bed?Weren't they right next to the END TABLE where the clock sits? How does she not see that the clock had fallen, when that is what she was looking for, but she does see shoes, next to the end table where the clock sat?

[luvmy2labpups]

And yet another

Ok, first go to this link and look at the picture of the lamp, in section 2 picture 5.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175045,00.html



GRACE: Is this the lamp?

GRINSTEAD: Yes.

GRACE: I thought it was cracked. No? I thought it was cracked.

GRINSTEAD: I beg your pardon?

GRACE: I thought the lamp was broken.

GRINSTEAD: It was.

GRACE: Oh, I see! I see. It is broken. Yes, up under here. And this was down on the floor? And the bed was made.




Why did Nancy have to ask three times if the lamp was broken (2 X "I thought it was cracked") (1X "I thought it was broken")?

[luvmy2labpups]

And again


GRACE: Yes, because if she were such a fanatic about locking her car door, I can only assume that extended to her front door, which was unlocked when police got there.

PORTIER: No, no, no, Nancy, it was locked.

GRACE: OK, you know what, Anita? I think you told me it was unlocked.

GATTIS: It was unlocked when Maria got there, but Mr. Portier had a key and he let the police in.




GRACE: That`s even more confusing, actually, because it means she probably locked the door behind her.

PORTIER: Right. It was locked...

GATTIS: It was locked when the police got over there.

PORTIER: I would not think so, Nancy. After I had called the local police when we couldn`t find Tara in the house that Monday morning, I walked back to the front porch talking to the chief of police on my cell phone. And that`s when I spied the latex glove. It was actually before the police got there.

Ok, so Anita told Nancy the door was unlocked and Nancy called her on it? Then AG says it was UNLOCKED when Maria got there. Then Anita goes on to tell her later in the conversation that the door was locked when police got there. Portier says he called police AFTER HE WAS IN THE HOUSE looking for her. The door was already unlocked if Portier was in the house looking for her right?

[luvmy2labpups]

UT OH yet another

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html



GRACE: Oh, oh, another question I asked today and I didn`t get a definitive answer, regarding her bed clothes. She had a bed like it was out of a magazine, you know, beautiful bed trimmings...

GATTIS: Right.

GRACE: ... and the pillow show and the whole thing. And were her bed covers turned back that night?

GATTIS: GBI told me that it looked like she had quickly made her bed. I`m thinking she may have just thrown the comforter over it when the girls came for her to start doing makeup. They said it was not neatly made.


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PDGPAcrf1iAJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html+Maria+Hulett,+nancy+grace&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.




GRINSTEAD: No, the bed was -- they told me the bed was not made, like she had just gone to bed maybe. Tara slept with, like...

GRACE: Really?

GRINSTEAD: Tara slept with, like, pillows on the side of her, you know?

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: She slept with several pillows. And that`s what I was told, like she had possibly laid down and gone to bed. That`s why I wondered if somebody called her.

[luvmy2labpups]

Question: How did Maria know when she was there Monday that the last time ANYBODY talked to Tara was Saturday? The GBI/LE didn't even know right?


HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

[fsbiii]

I'm guessing she meant "I knew that the last time that [Heath D] had talked to her was Saturday night." Obviously HD and Tara's mom & Maria were talking on Sunday and looking for Tara in some fashion that day and night.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Question: How did Maria know when she was there Monday that the last time ANYBODY talked to Tara was Saturday? The GBI/LE didn't even know right?

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I'm guessing she meant "I knew that the last time that [Heath D] had talked to her was Saturday night." Obviously HD and Tara's mom & Maria were talking on Sunday and looking for Tara in some fashion that day and night.

While that sounds ok FSB, I think we can both agree that she says ANYBODY. How would she know? Even if she meant HD, how would she even know about HD speaking to Tara on Saturday?

[fsbiii]

I think she is presuming "anybody" after speaking with HD and him telling her he spoke to Tara on the phone late Saturday night. I don't think she knew, factually, the last time anyone talked to Tara. I think HD talked w/Faye and Maria on Sunday, for sure.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
While that sounds ok FSB, I think we can both agree that she says ANYBODY. How would she know? Even if she meant HD, how would she even know about HD speaking to Tara on Saturday?

[luvmy2labpups]

OOPSIES....


Go take a look at this link section 3 picture 4

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175045,00.html

See the comment there under the pictures "Shoes Tara wore Oct 22"?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html




GATTIS: She had a very expensive pair of shoes she wore that night. She always bought stuff. Those were thrown in the middle of the floor. Also, a necklace that she had just made the night before. She used beads that she had and beads that were my grandmother`s necklace. She restrung, made her own necklace. That was thrown on the floor. Tara did not take care of her belongings like that.




So, who straightened them up and placed them next to the bed?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I think she is presuming "anybody" after speaking with HD and him telling her he spoke to Tara on the phone late Saturday night. I don't think she knew, factually, the last time anyone talked to Tara. I think HD talked w/Faye and Maria on Sunday, for sure.

HMMMM, that sure leaves me with some questions.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


What's your point?

Anita stated, "there was no sign of a scuffle".

A few days later she's talking about the clock, lamp, jewelry, etc., claiming there was some type of struggle in Tara's house.

You don't understand the point behind questioning inconsistent (and contradictory) information? If not, you obviously don't want Tara found.
I totally understand inconsistent and contradicting information, but I really fail to see it in this particular article. From reading info on this case, I don't recall anyone really "noticing a struggle" very early on. I think little things were noticed in the following days, which led to the belief there may have been a slight struggle in the house. If I were looking for a family member and took a quick glance in a house, I might not notice little things right away. And they WERE little things. It's not like all of her drawers were emptied out and gone through, tables and chairs turned over and dishes broken, mirrors smashed, etc. It didn't appear to be "ransacked" in other words. IMO, her sister (or anyone else for that matter) may not have really noticed "signs of a struggle" until they took a closer look. To imply that I don't want Tara found was an unnecessary and immature statement.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by sogalady



For heaven's sake,, Why would you have to ask?

I asked the question because I wanted to know. Why the tone?

[TuscanDreams]

I'm glad to see articles posted that I'd never read before. Maybe others are like me and didn't really follow this case from the first day becasue I thought she'd be found quickly.

She's a low risk victim. I had no idea this case would not be resolved by now. So, I do appreciate reading articles I've never seen before.

[Results]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I hope Nancy Grace's ignited coverage, and U.S. Representative Jack Kingston's involvement, will open some new doors and put pressure on the guilty parties...

Kingston May Lend Federal Heft To Search For Missing Beauty Queen
Jan. 12, 2006

By Seamus McGraw

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library ) — Nearly four months after high school teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead mysteriously vanished, a prominent Georgia congressman is adding his name to the roster of her supporters.

Seven-term Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican whose district includes the rural Georgia community where Tara was last seen, is scheduled to meet Jan. 24 with the missing woman's family. The purpose of the meeting is to lend support to Tara's family, said Rob Asbell, the congressman's director of communications, and also to attract media attention to the search that so far has yielded few tangible results. "If it brings attention...to the search for Tara then...that's really what he wants," Asbell said.

Kingston also plans to explore other potential areas where he might be able to lend some support, Asbell said. "There's always a chance that if there's any indication that she may have been abducted or...that whatever happened crossed state lines then he can...maybe get someone in the FBI involved."

Noting that eastern Georgia is also home to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the central training facility for the US Department of Homeland Security, Asbell said Kingston would consider the possibility of enlisting trainees to join in future searches for Grinstead. "Perhaps...he might even suggest that some of their people go over and train by searching for her, " Asbell said. "I'm not saying that it would happen, but maybe there might be something that...might help this family."

Bumping! Does anyone know what happened to this idea?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


:shrug:

:shrug:

My guess is nothing because no one pursued it but is was a dang good idea.

[PNut]

After reviewing all of Luv's wonderful hardwork of pointing out MANY MANY inconsistancies made so blatantly by AG, I now think I understand WHY AG decided NOT to make ANY form of statement on this, the year anniversary of her BIG T going missing.

:rolleyes:

[kundalini]

"
GATTIS: She had a very expensive pair of shoes she wore that night. She always bought stuff. Those were thrown in the middle of the floor. Also, a necklace that she had just made the night before. She used beads that she had and beads that were my grandmother`s necklace. She restrung, made her own necklace. That was thrown on the floor. Tara did not take care of her belongings like that. "

1. Who said she made a necklace the night before? Was someone with her that night or did she announce it the following day to someone who then told Anita?
2. Did she bring her mail/paper in when she arrived home? Or did she go out to the box to get them after 11? Leaving her vulnerable in the front yard?
3. Had candles been recently lit or burnt down all the way - as if she had been expecting a visitor?
4. If she was having an affair with someone where are all the flowers and cards and tokens of love that would be laying around at her home? Even if she expected girls over that day and put them in a "special drawer" there would be something someplace with someone's declaration of admiration for her.

Off track but I recall Dr G said it was a planned event - she may have been followed or stalked or something like that. Under the assumption that first of all she was stalked and it was planned and second that she was murdered - I hears something on Forensic Files or one of those crime shows that said when a villan stalks or plans it is because he/she has killed before.

[gagal]

I still think that if we KNEW WHY FG & HD were so concerned about her that HD drove to her house, we could prob answer alot of questions. I just feel that its KEY to alot of things. State of mind, etc.
Has anyone heard what the urgency was???? If I didnt show up for work, my employer may try to call me, but they certainly wouldnt call the police! The whole state of panic thing just throws me off. If I didnt contact my mother one weekend, she would just call and leave a few messages. Now, if I didnt call for several days, she may try my office and then go from there. I just feel that something happened before or something was said earlier by TG. something that sparked this desperate attempt to contact her.
Any Ideas?

[gagal]

:shrug: I read in previous post that FG and TG had an argument. Does anyone know what it was about? Guys? Money? Just family stuff? Something maybe TG was doing, participating in, or a guy she was seeing that FG was not in favor of?

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by gagal
I still think that if we KNEW WHY FG & HD were so concerned about her that HD drove to her house, we could prob answer alot of questions. I just feel that its KEY to alot of things. State of mind, etc.
Has anyone heard what the urgency was???? If I didnt show up for work, my employer may try to call me, but they certainly wouldnt call the police! The whole state of panic thing just throws me off. If I didnt contact my mother one weekend, she would just call and leave a few messages. Now, if I didnt call for several days, she may try my office and then go from there. I just feel that something happened before or something was said earlier by TG. something that sparked this desperate attempt to contact her.
Any Ideas?

Weren't the police called after some of Tara's co-workers arrived at her home - inspected it, found no Tara inside the home and her car parked in the driveway? I think this would be worthy of a police call, particularly if it was out of character for her to not just show up for work without calling. JMO

[gagal]

My mistake, but I thought I understood that they were called from the school when she didnt show up? I may have misunderstood something!

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by gagal
:shrug: I read in previous post that FG and TG had an argument. Does anyone know what it was about? Guys? Money? Just family stuff? Something maybe TG was doing, participating in, or a guy she was seeing that FG was not in favor of?

There has been much speculation about the cause of the argument between FG and TG. I've seen some of the speculations later posted as fact but to the best of my knowledge no one on these forums know the cause. Since Tara was angry enough to leave and go home earlier than planned, it must have been a serious matter. I really don't think FG was too much into telling Tara how to live her life and I can't imagine why they would have argued about money so I have no "theory" about their argument. I do hope they talked on the phone and made things right between them before Tara disappeared the next weekend.

JMO

[gagal]

I hope they made peace also! Guilt is a horrible thing!! I would hate for FG to be worried about her last words to her daughter. All of us say or do things sometimes that gets someone riled, but we are fortunate that we have time to make amends. I'm sure what ever it was about was really nothing when it comes to the big picture. Just a typical mother/daughter thing. (I get lots of that at my house with my girls!!)

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by One2Snoop


Weren't the police called after some of Tara's co-workers arrived at her home - inspected it, found no Tara inside the home and her car parked in the driveway? I think this would be worthy of a police call, particularly if it was out of character for her to not just show up for work without calling. JMO

Yes, that is what I've heard from the beginning. When it was noted that Tara wasn't at work and had not called in, some of her co-workers/friends went to her home to check on her. Her neighbor, Mr P, was called upon to use his key and they went inside to check on her. When they realized she wasn't there, Mr P called the Chief and reported their findings.

IMO

[gagal]

Thanks for the correction. I have followed this case since the beginning and have read all the post at one point of another, but I'm afraid somethings blurred!

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring
Kundalini, you said, "I heard something on Forensic Files or one of those crime shows that said when a villan stalks or plans it is because he/she has killed before."

That's interesting because we've heard that Tara had possibly been looking at missing person websites. It made me wonder if someone had threatened to do to her what they may have done to someone else?

If so, this would mean she knew this person was serious, possibly took a look at some missing persons sites and realized this man/woman was serious about their threat if she found possible victims? I don't know, just a guess, but it would make sense that she would be afraid enough to get out of town.

Either way, if she left town, it was due to fear, IMO.

That is interesting you bring this up because I recall a poster saying that a poster told him that he would get what his wife got. That sounded really bad to me. I wonder if this posters wife is alive, crippled, beat the crap out of, and whatever else? Almost as if it was a brag that he had done this to his wife. I hope someone is helping his wife. JMHO

[readmylips]

Originally posted by Merrick


Slowly reading everything! Good points. Why were they so concerned? Do you think we'll ever know?

since tara's mother has never said that anyone called her that sunday night i don't know if i really believe it happened. she had plenty of opportunities in interviews to say hd called her. she didn't. should we assume she left it out on purpose or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by readmylips


since tara's mother has never said that anyone called her that sunday night i don't know if i really believe it happened. she had plenty of opportunities in interviews to say hd called her. she didn't. should we assume she left it out on purpose or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?

{{or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?}}

Something to think about RML. My spin on this is to first consider the source. (corndog) Well I have a first hand experience what this joker is capable of doing and it's not pretty.

Our only information has been posted by a poster going by the nic Popcorn who I firmly belive speaks for or is Dr. G. Dr. G stated HD made less than 10 calls to Tara on Sunday. My information is he made about twice this amount.

With this said I consider that no one has ever disputed this information or the fact that HD spoke to FG and there have been many that would have if there were not sufficent evidence this did not happen. Just my thoughts. I guess I have opened a can of worms for this to be disputed one year later but it's too late to have any bearing on my thouhts. MHOO

[The R]

Originally posted by readmylips


since tara's mother has never said that anyone called her that sunday night i don't know if i really believe it happened. she had plenty of opportunities in interviews to say hd called her. she didn't. should we assume she left it out on purpose or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?

I agree that info from some sources isn't very credible and sometimes am shocked to see and smell the errors of scorched microwave popcorn.......but let me play the devil's advocate for a second by asking these questions.....

What if it is true that HD was involved at the time just for Tara's protection? There is evidence she'd been distraught and had arguments with a former boyfriend. What if HD told the family of this and was there for that purpose? How possible is it that that's why he was calling her on Saturday?

Then there's the possibility that HD simply used the story of protecting her just to have an excuse to be near her? That maybe he was calling on Saturday to ask why she was late? Is it really possible the the AG/Popcorn alliance is on such a fevered witchhunt that it produced a story about HD and his involvement?

I'd have to say at this point that I'm still on the fence as far as HD's involvement. Until there's more evidence to the contrary I'd be more inclined to go with, heaven forbid, the story put forth by the kernel's army.

I'd be the first to admit however that anything is possible here, especially given the dynamic that no one has addressed much IMO; that being the psychological dynamic of a former beauty queen that hasn't married yet at 30 being seriously attracted to LE officers, LE officers(males) that often times have issues with power and ego, especially as they relate to pretty girls......such a combination can be pretty dramatic when adding in things like affairs and divorces.

So many questions; so few answers.

Sorry to ramble....all MO.


R

[concernedperson]

I have to admit when I look back, everything we know about HD comes from popcorn or his group. Nothing but phone calls from HD(CL article) has ever been verified by a reputable source.

The spin is out there for a reason we just don't know that reason.

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


I find this very interesting and hope luvmylabpups will discuss this further. Luv, I see your point here.

If Mr. P was already INSIDE Tara's house when he called police, why was the door locked when police got there? He was on the porch, called the chief and then what? The police dept is less than a 1 minute drive to Tara's home. LESS than ONE minute to get there. If he was standing on her porch, why did he lock the door back?

When Mr. P said "we couldn't find Tara in the house that Monday morning," who is WE? We as in Mr. and Mrs. P couldn't find her, or WE as in Mr. P and co-workers from ICHS?

Who was with Mr. P when he made that call to the chief from the Tara's porch?

GS, I don't think he was on the porch talking to LE because I thought he was around the car or carport talking to the LE when he noticed the glove. IIRC JMHO

[Results]

Let me explain better I took him saying walking back to the front porch is when I spotted the glove while talking to LE. I hope that makes sense. JMHO

[One2Snoop]

GRACE: Back to next-door neighbor of Tara Grinstead`s, Joe Portier. Joe, your yard was perfect. It looked like it was from home beautiful, as did Tara Grinstead`s. You two often worked in the yards together. Now, would it have been like her to have a latex glove found in her front yard?

PORTIER: I would not think so, Nancy. After I had called the local police when we couldn`t find Tara in the house that Monday morning, I walked back to the front porch talking to the chief of police on my cell phone. And that`s when I spied the latex glove. It was actually before the police got there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


I thought he was inside her home and was walking back to the front porch from inside the home, as if to exit the home, when he "spied" the latex glove outside.

Either way, he locked the door back after he called the police?

And who was with him when he checked the house out?

He says "we" were unable to find her in the house.

We? Mr. P and ______?

You are more than likely right and I am wrong. I just assumed the way it was worded walking back to the front porch is when I spotted the glove in the yard. IF I recall correctly GS there were many people in that house. IIRC, there were several people that witnessed the phone calls that HD made is why I am thinking there were many at her home that morning. I could be wrong again though but I will try to find it for you since it seems important to you because I know how I feel when I'm looking for an answer and appreciate those that help me. So, I will try to help you if I can. JMHO

[dixinites]

Ok...I'm a new poster here, but I've been reading for months. My take on this from reading the interview is that Mr. P. went next door to ck on Tara, she didn't answer the door so he went in to look for her. After he didnt find her, he went back home after re-locking the door, got his cell phone and called the police while walking back over. In minutes, the police were there, so he unlocked the door for them. While waiting he saw the glove. i don't see a big mystery here.

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Ok...I'm a new poster here, but I've been reading for months. My take on this from reading the interview is that Mr. P. went next door to ck on Tara, she didn't answer the door so he went in to look for her. After he didnt find her, he went back home after re-locking the door, got his cell phone and called the police while walking back over. In minutes, the police were there, so he unlocked the door for them. While waiting he saw the glove. i don't see a big mystery here.

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

Welcome dixinites, I think AG described the glove found in Tara's yard as being the kind used by medical professionals or labs. For some reason I have always thought the glove found in Tara's was the clear kind and not the blue. I read the article about lingerie found on Green Road but from information I have as who was seen in the area on Green Road just prior to the lingerie being found by Dr. G. I don't think the lingerie found will hold much evidence. Your theory on Mr. P sounds logic and makes good sense. Thanks.

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
Ok...I'm a new poster here, but I've been reading for months. My take on this from reading the interview is that Mr. P. went next door to ck on Tara, she didn't answer the door so he went in to look for her. After he didnt find her, he went back home after re-locking the door, got his cell phone and called the police while walking back over. In minutes, the police were there, so he unlocked the door for them. While waiting he saw the glove. i don't see a big mystery here.

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

Welcome to the Tara Grinstead case. I don't know about the type of glove in the yard. IIRC I remember somewhere a poster had posted that Dr G was wearing a blue glove which was ironic because the glove in the ditch was blue that is the only reason I remember the blue glove in the ditch. Sorry I couldn't be of more help to your questions. JMHO

[dixinites]

Thnk you IJM and Results for your responses and your "welcomes". I am curious as to who agrees with me that there was no sign of struggle in Tara's home. The lamp and clock could easily have been the cat. The necklace could have come off when she removed her top in changing clothes...I think she left on her own accord or was coerced at gunpoint. JMO.

(Off subject) As for the missing earrings, I think she took them off in her car on the way home and put them in her missing purse, or she was still wearing them when she was interrupted by a call or visitor. Again, JMO.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by dixinites

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

As a matter of fact, the blue glove found in a ditch during a search sounds indentical to the blue gloves Dr G was wearing when he "processed" Tara's house. There are pictures and videos, on the internet, of Dr G wearing the blue gloves if you want to look it up.

Welcome to the Tara Grinstead forum.

IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


Thank you results. With a sigh, I appreciate your help.

Don't let me bother you GS. I will keep to myself and not bother you again. JMHO

[dixinites]

Thanks for the welcome Lindsey! I've been hesitant to post because "newbies" seem to be regarded with such suspicion...lol.

Wasn't it Dr G. who found the blue glove in the dich in the first place? No real implication here, just weird. I have seen many, many latex gloves of the clear variety: haircolor kits, painters, home nurses (to care for patients "restrrom needs"), but I have never seen any blue ones anywhere before. Wonder why they would be in a ditch in a rural area. Just weird.

[dixinites]

I posted this on the "motives" thread, but received no responses,
so I hope you don't mind if I repeat it here:

Has anyone mentioned the pageant video she was going to watch? Regarding a timeline, it would seem relevent as to where this video was found. Was it in the video player, or laid somewhere so she could get back to it later?

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.

Another question is about the phone call she received from her friend while at the BBQ about 10:30. Did she seem to be in a hurry to leave after the call? Did she stay to watch the end of the game? Just wondering why her "friend" would pass on this info and whether or not Tara thought she could run into Marcus at the bar.

I also read that she recieved a call later than the 10:30 call.
Where did that information come from and supposedly, who was the call from.

If someone could respond to any of these questions, please do.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Thnk you IJM and Results for your responses and your "welcomes". I am curious as to who agrees with me that there was no sign of struggle in Tara's home. The lamp and clock could easily have been the cat. The necklace could have come off when she removed her top in changing clothes...I think she left on her own accord or was coerced at gunpoint. JMO.

(Off subject) As for the missing earrings, I think she took them off in her car on the way home and put them in her missing purse, or she was still wearing them when she was interrupted by a call or visitor. Again, JMO.

I agree that there are no signs of a struggle but I don't have a theory that is more important than another of what really really happened. I do believe that Tara either dressed to go out again or left barefoot because her normal shoes where at her house according to my information. I know normal shoes means nothing to most women but I don't think Tara made a quick run because I think she would have slipped on her normal shoes if it was a quick run somewhere. Just my thoughts and as always I can be wrong.

[dixinites]

No, the "normal shoes" point is very relevent. I too, have my
"run to the mailbox or convenience shoes", so I agree that she perhaps put on some "steppin' out" shoes, which to me would indicate she was planning to meet someone. That is if she didnt have more than one pair of normal shoes.

My theories lean toward somone came to her door and feigned an emergency regarding a student (in which case she would grab the most convenient, probably her normal, shoes) or that she dressed up to try to catch up with MH at the bar.

Who said her normal shoes were missing, BTW?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
No, the "normal shoes" point is very relevent. I too, have my
"run to the mailbox or convenience shoes", so I agree that she perhaps put on some "steppin' out" shoes, which to me would indicate she was planning to meet someone. That is if she didnt have more than one pair of normal shoes.

My theories lean toward somone came to her door and feigned an emergency regarding a student (in which case she would grab the most convenient, probably her normal, shoes) or that she dressed up to try to catch up with MH at the bar.

Who said her normal shoes were missing, BTW?

Sorry I want name personal names but I believe my source about the shoes NOT being missing. Without going back to see what I actually posted but my information is Tara's normal shoes (tennis like shoes that your feet slides in) are NOT missing. Sorry if I posted wrong.

[One2Snoop]

Thats what my understandong is also IJM, the slip on shoes that Tara normally wore, to slip on to go outdoors, etc... were still in the house. The "expensive pair of shoes" she had on the night of Oct. 22nd according to AG and pictures provided were found in Tara's home.
I haven't heard anything about another pair of shoes or slip ons missing from Tara's home. MOO, JMO.

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


HUH? ??

You tell me you know how it feels to want to know something. You offer to help me find the answer to my question.
I say thank you and then you....
say nevermind? You will keep it to yourself?

If you want to do things that way, ok, but I don't get it.

I thought you were being a smartass about me helping you. I'm sorry I took your post wrong. I will post this information that you are looking for. I apologize for misreading your post.

[Results]

Originally posted by Its just me


Sorry I want name personal names but I believe my source about the shoes NOT being missing. Without going back to see what I actually posted but my information is Tara's normal shoes (tennis like shoes that your feet slides in) are NOT missing. Sorry if I posted wrong.

You didn't post wrong. You said they were still at her home. Just thought I would let you know.

[dixinites]

No problem...I will take your word for it, IJM, I was just curious as to whether this was documented, re: interviews, news articles, etc. that I could go back and read. I've read a zillion posts, but so many are sidetracked, etc, it's really difficult to sift thru the information.

I think the shoes Tara was wearing is very relevant as to where she was going (and why), when she left her her house.

If she was "dressed up", I think she was going to check out MH at the bar...if she wasn't, then I think she left because of a fake emergency or, as I have stated earlier, under threatening circumstances.

If the car seat wasn't compromised by the curious neighbor, and it was used by her or the perp, then I think two people were involved, and I thnk one was a female.

Anyway, the shoes she was wearing would be VERY telling...

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
No problem...I will take your word for it, IJM, I was just curious as to whether this was documented, re: interviews, news articles, etc. that I could go back and read. I've read a zillion posts, but so many are sidetracked, etc, it's really difficult to sift thru the information.

I think the shoes Tara was wearing is very relevant as to where she was going (and why), when she left her her house.

If she was "dressed up", I think she was going to check out MH at the bar...if she wasn't, then I think she left because of a fake emergency or, as I have stated earlier, under threatening circumstances.

If the car seat wasn't compromised by the curious neighbor, and it was used by her or the perp, then I think two people were involved, and I thnk one was a female.

Anyway, the shoes she was wearing would be VERY telling...

No it's not documented but I truly think if a good news reporter would go to Ocilla and ask the right people the right questions we could get some valuable information that could be documented. I think some valuable information was loss with the car, I think it should have been secured on day one. I agree Mr. P did not help if he moved the seat but hopful LE can work through that and determine exactly what position the seat was in before anyone got into the car. BFD explained what could have been determined if the car had never been driven to the car wash but it is too difficult for me to explain but I think the way it was explained it could have been determined maybe the length of the last trip of the car. Something like this anyway..Got it in my head but can't put it in writting. :)

[dixinites]

I agree that the car information in the car was compromised, as well as ALOT of information inside the house. In that regard, the initial investigation was a real "mucky-muck". It's a shame that so many people were allowed inside the house unsupervised,
even if at the time it was just considered a missing persons case.
it should have been secured, as well as the car,

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
I agree that the car information in the car was compromised, as well as ALOT of information inside the house. In that regard, the initial investigation was a real "mucky-muck". It's a shame that so many people were allowed inside the house unsupervised,
even if at the time it was just considered a missing persons case.
it should have been secured, as well as the car,

I am concerned about the GBI coming back 5 times within a 2 week span but allowed people to go in the house when they weren't there. Why were people allowed in the house when the GBI kept coming back for goodness sakes they came back 5 times and allowed people to enter the house between the times they came back. That does not make sense to me. What the heck were they doing? What was the other trips for since they released the house Tuesday? LG went through all of the papers at the desk and AG made the bed yet the GBI continued to come back to the house what the heck for? Then the car, what is the truth about the car, who wanted the car washed? A poster says that the car was washed because Tara would die if she saw her car like that so they washed it for when she came home but yet they didn't clean the house wouldn't she be more concern for the house looking bad then the car? Nothing makes sense in this case. Chain reactions from the beginning until present is like a roller coaster ride wihtout being buckled in...you better be prepared to take a long ride and hang on for dear life. JMHO

[dixinites]

Yes, I think the GBI released the house much too early. Maybe they realized that after the fact. Maybe all the "extra" trips were the results of tips they received afterward. It was just plain DUM for the family to have the car washed and to tidy up the house.
Why would anyone clean the car or house for Tara's "return",
when it was in the same state she had left it in? It's not like she hadn't already seen the unmade bed...and the fingerprinting dust wasn't like someone had poured battery acid on her car or something. If and when she came back, I'm sure she would understand why the car had been dusted in the first place. Sounds real "ditzy" to me. JMO.

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
Yes, I think the GBI released the house much too early. Maybe they realized that after the fact. Maybe all the "extra" trips were the results of tips they received afterward. It was just plain DUM for the family to have the car washed and to tidy up the house.
Why would anyone clean the car or house for Tara's "return",
when it was in the same state she had left it in? It's not like she hadn't already seen the unmade bed...and the fingerprinting dust wasn't like someone had poured battery acid on her car or something. If and when she came back, I'm sure she would understand why the car had been dusted in the first place. Sounds real "ditzy" to me. JMO.

It is possible they got tips which made them go back to Tara's. I don't know? JMHO

[concernedperson]

my daughter has been in a hospital for a number of months and blue gloves are the only ones worn

everyone wears the same color medical staff and cleaning crews etc>

sorry about the punctuation computer is acting really weird this morning

[dixinites]

Ty CP, for the info on the blue gloves, I had never noticed them at a hospital before. I guess they are not so "exotic" after all.
(Hope your daughter is better, BTW).

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Yes, I think the GBI released the house much too early. Maybe they realized that after the fact. Maybe all the "extra" trips were the results of tips they received afterward. It was just plain DUM for the family to have the car washed and to tidy up the house.
Why would anyone clean the car or house for Tara's "return",
when it was in the same state she had left it in? It's not like she hadn't already seen the unmade bed...and the fingerprinting dust wasn't like someone had poured battery acid on her car or something. If and when she came back, I'm sure she would understand why the car had been dusted in the first place. Sounds real "ditzy" to me. JMO.

LOL Ditzy is a good word to describe the cleaning of the house and the washing of the car. You and I share the same thoughts on this. I wish it all had been secured for a short time. At least secured until the officers had more time to get a grasp on things. Just a bad call that hopefully has not jeopardized the case.

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I've just been reading the "Theories" thread which seems to be a VERY good one. I wonder why it has been abandoned? (Since Oct. 31)??? Seems to me like that would be a good place to compile information gathered thusfar, unless someone has a question or comment about a specific topic. JMO, but I'm just a "newbie"...