Darren Mack Caught

[Anni]

in Mexico per FOX news, more when info becomes available.

Looks like no death penalty for that chicken ----




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[chambord]

Originally posted by Anni
arrested in Mexico per FOX news, more when info becomes available.

Looks like no death penalty for that chicken ----.


Wow Anni !!

They did finally get him? Any further details how it happened would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

nice to see you again...(new info coming thru on NH)

[chambord]

He surrundered in Puerta V. after midnight..not fighting extradition.

[chambord]

Turned himself into Immigration Authorties...I bet his friend the DA talked him into doing the right thing. Thankfully. No further killings.

[Anni]

Hi chammy!

Since he is not fighting extradition does that mean he ca be eligible for the DP should the DA seek it?

chammy, I left an O/T on the last page of the NH thread, check it out if you can, Im trying to find some info I missed last night on Greta, thanks <waving>

[chambord]

Originally posted by Anni
Hi chammy!

Since he is not fighting extradition does that mean he ca be eligible for the DP should the DA seek it?

chammy, I left an O/T on the last page of the NH thread, check it out if you can, Im trying to find some info I missed last night on Greta, thanks <waving>


Hi Anni...On the DP question, I'm guessing that maybe his DA friend made a deal about that..Have to wait and see.

Yes, I saw your post, I can't assist you with that, its the first I heard of it..Let me know if you find any thing further. That was in the US though, right?

[Anni]

Originally posted by chambord



Hi Anni...On the DP question, I'm guessing that maybe his DA friend made a deal about that..Have to wait and see.

Yes, I saw your post, I can't assist you with that, its the first I heard of it..Let me know if you find any thing further. That was in the US though, right?

Oh good point, BUT I thought his DA friend said he hadnt talked to him (on one of the shows yesterday). Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

o/t Heres Lazurus says this missing guy was from ? MD (he said where, I'd have to look to refresh mem!) and missing in Ocean City MD. I sure hope he is OK. :(

Have a great day friend!

:rose:s for Charla

[Babby~A]

Can't find any news on it. :shrug:

[Babby~A]

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=5070134

[ARIZONAGIRL]

Thank God he is in custody! Now everyone can breathe easier! I wonder what his defense will be???

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by ARIZONAGIRL
Thank God he is in custody! Now everyone can breathe easier! I wonder what his defense will be???

Driven to insanity by the court.

[murdershewrote]

Per Fri FOX News website article....


Mack was trying to strike a deal so he could avoid the death penalty, but no such deal was reached.



Just a guess but I think if the Mexican authorities would have had to get involved in his capture, then an extradition with no DP would have occurred.

But since he turned himself in, sounds like the DP is still on the table.

I'm actually surprised that he did turn himself in...maybe his mother was in contact with him and influenced him to do it.

[Anni]

OK that makes sense murdeshewrote.

thanks~

I wonder if he was with a girl traveling to all these hot spots in Mexico (just thinking aloud) and she might have helped him to do the right thing. He sounds like he wanted to play a little, I say this because of the popular places he was said to be sighted in) have some fun in the sun first, a little R and R :rolleyes: what a jerk...JMO

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by Anni
OK that makes sense murdeshewrote.

thanks~

I wonder if he was with a girl traveling to all these hot spots in Mexico (just thinking aloud) and she might have helped him to do the right thing. He sounds like he wanted to play a little, I say this because of the popular places he was said to be sighted in) have some fun in the sun first, a little R and R :rolleyes: what a jerk...JMO

Anni, I agree. I, too, usually go on a 10-day cruise before slaughtering my spouse. And, it is toomuchfun.

[TobyTiger]

:seeya: Good morning everyone!

So he voluntarily surrendered to the FBI last night in Mexico.

Per Reno Gazette-Journal, a press conference is scheduled this morning for 10:15am.

[NevadaMom]

Thanks for all the information. I won't miss that news conference!

[magpie1]

I listened to yesterday's press conference by the Reno authorities, and it was stated at that time that there had been no discussion of the death penalty.

I would think that if Darren Mack surrendered to U.S. authorities the death penalty is not an issue.

[magpie1]

Does anyone know if the press conference is going to be on any of the television networks - Court TV, Fox, CNN ????

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by magpie1
Does anyone know if the press conference is going to be on any of the television networks - Court TV, Fox, CNN ????

:confused: I've been watching Fox, but all they are doing is covering that other story. :mad:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
I listened to yesterday's press conference by the Reno authorities, and it was stated at that time that there had been no discussion of the death penalty.

I would think that if Darren Mack surrendered to U.S. authorities the death penalty is not an issue.
DP is still an option. If he'd been arrested by Mexican LE he could fight extradition.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A


:confused: I've been watching Fox, but all they are doing is covering that other story. :mad:
They've been mentioning his "surrender". 15 minutes until the scheduled press conference. I wonder what time he left Mexico and when he's due back in Reno...:shrug:

[muy_mala]

Nevada's death penalty has so far been one in name only (for the most part).

Most (but not all) of the actual executions there have been volunteers.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by muy_mala
Nevada's death penalty has so far been one in name only (for the most part).

Most (but not all) of the actual executions there have been volunteers.
(Too bad he didn't live where you do. :) moo)

[magpie1]

Itt's going to be on Fox! Reporter now live from Reno.

[magpie1]

Darren Mack is on a plane now and is expected to land within the hour, and back in Reno before the end of the day.

[TobyTiger]

FNC just reported - news conference in approx. 5 min.

Mack en route to Dallas TX, scheduled to arrive there in approx. an hour and will then fly to Reno later today.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by magpie1
Darren Mack is on a plane now and is expected to land within the hour, and back in Reno before the end of the day.

I want to see a picture of Too :read: in handcuffs.:cuss:

[muy_mala]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

(Too bad he didn't live where you do. :) moo)

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but yes, here he would probably receive it and most likely be executed in 7-8 years. They've even shortened it in recent years due to expedited appeals.

[magpie1]

Was apprehended at 10:30pm last night. He remain with authorities until. He's already arrived at Dallas and is now in Dallas County jail. No scheduled transfer to Reno at this time.

[Pinetree]

Originally posted by magpie1
Was apprehended at 10:30pm last night. He remain with authorities until. He's already arrived at Dallas and is now in Dallas County jail. No scheduled transfer to Reno at this time.

Why does Dallas have him? No flights to Nevada from Mexico?

:shrug:

[magpie1]

It had been established that DM was still in PV yesterday after he failed to surrender. Mexican LE assisted. The silver Ford Explorer still missing.

[TobyTiger]

Mack will be booked into the Dallas County jail and complete all extradition paperwork there. Local Reno LE will fly to Dallas via State of Nevada jet to arrange the transfer of Mack from Dallas to Reno. No scheduled commercial flight transfer to Reno at this time. Once Mack is returned to Reno he will be arrested and charged with the attempted murder of Judge Weller.

LE still has not located the 2006 Ford Explorer. It is listed on the National database and Interpol as a stolen vehicle.

[chambord]

Mack has landed in the USA..Dallas...awaiting transfer to Reno.

:rose: For Charla

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Mack will be booked into the Dallas County jail and complete all extradition paperwork there. Local Reno LE will fly to Dallas via State of Nevada jet to arrange the transfer of Mack from Dallas to Reno. No scheduled commercial flight transfer to Reno at this time. Once Mack is returned to Reno he will be arrested and charged with the attempted murder of Judge Weller.

LE still has not located the 2006 Ford Explorer. It is listed on the National database and Interpol as a stolen vehicle.


Wonder if there is evidence in that Explorer.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Pinetree


Why does Dallas have him? No flights to Nevada from Mexico?

:shrug:
Obviously the fastest way to get him out of Puerto Vallarta was to fly to Dallas.

[magpie1]

The said there was no flight out of PV last night and they had to wait until this morning to fly to Dallas.

IMHO......authorities wanted to get DM back on US soil quickly, and this was the best option at this point - get him to Dallas.

There was no indication as to when DM would be transferred to Reno.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Wonder if there is evidence in that Explorer.
LE has stated there may be potential evidence in the vehicle. They still have not recovered the weapon used in the shooting of Judge Weller.

[Babby~A]

Sounds like Mack has begun his new way of life.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A
Sounds like Mack has begun his new way of life.
What a waste. He took Charla's life and ruined the lives of his children, one of whom won't have either parent. I sure hope it was worth it to him. His next destination: :flamemad:

[magpie1]

Obviously DM didn't have the Ford Explorer with him, so he must have flown out of an airport in the US to Mexico.

The Ford Explorer could be anywhere between Reno and the U.S. border. It's likely that vehicle is in the parking area of an airport somewhere.

Just a thought............if he did swipe his corporate credit card at the Sacramento airport........that could have been a ruse to lead authorities to believe he left from Sacramento. Stockton is less than an hour to the south and does have an airport. He could have flown out of Stockton to LAX or San Diego and then to points south of the border.

LE needs to check every airport.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

What a waste. He took Charla's life and ruined the lives of his children, one of whom won't have either parent. I sure hope it was worth it to him. His next destination: :flamemad:

Toby, can you imagine how the former businessman will feel coming back to his hometown in handcuffs surrounded by police and marched into a jail cell. Oy

[TobyTiger]

Something interesting from the Blog of Greta van Susteren -

Did Darren Mack Try to Make Contact With Me? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200725,00.html)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Toby, can you imagine how the former businessman will feel coming back to his hometown in handcuffs surrounded by police and marched into a jail cell. Oy
At least Judge Weller can return to work now. :patriot:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

(Too bad he didn't live where you do. :) moo)

LOL Toby....

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A


I want to see a picture of Too :read: in handcuffs.:cuss:

Babby.. did you ever think he might like handcuffs? ;)

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Babby.. did you ever think he might like handcuffs? ;)

Haaaaaaaaaaaa, :lol: prolly!

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

At least Judge Weller can return to work now. :patriot:

I wonder if he will visit Mack when Mack checks into the 8X10 motel.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Babby.. did you ever think he might like handcuffs? ;)
Yeah, maybe that's part of his "toomuchfun" lifestyle. He'll be enjoying himself a lot with his new "friends" he's going to meet and spend the rest of his life with. Wonder if his pal over at myspace will visit him in jail... :D

[magpie1]

Life can return to normal now for a lot of people. With DM under arrest and in jail in Dallas, his former wife, Debra, and her family, can return to their home. Judge Weller can take a sigh of relief and return to work when he's able, and anyone else who felt threatened with DM on the loose.

I think Reno LE will bring DM back to Reno over the weekend or early next week. Then starts the legal process - arrest, indictment, and pre-trial hearings, leading up to the trial.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Something interesting from the Blog of Greta van Susteren -

Did Darren Mack Try to Make Contact With Me? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200725,00.html)

Hmmm.. interesting. If it was him, I guess he wanted to tell his side of the story before turning himself in. Ya know, how he was wronged by the judge, etc. :rolleyes:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yeah, maybe that's part of his "toomuchfun" lifestyle. He'll be enjoying himself a lot with his new "friends" he's going to meet and spend the rest of his life with. Wonder if his pal over at myspace will visit him in jail... :D

I know she's an innocent bystander in all of this. But, I have no respect for her, just from viewing her page.

ETA: And of course she'll visit him in jail. Just as soon as he can have visitors. She's a big supporter and 'such a good friend'. I'm sorry.. you can see my sarcasm seeping here.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
Life can return to normal now for a lot of people. With DM under arrest and in jail in Dallas, his former wife, Debra, and her family, can return to their home. Judge Weller can take a sigh of relief and return to work when he's able, and anyone else who felt threatened with DM on the loose.

I think Reno LE will bring DM back to Reno over the weekend or early next week. Then starts the legal process - arrest, indictment, and pre-trial hearings, leading up to the trial.
And maybe now we can start to get some answers to our lingering questions about the day of the murder/shooting...and it would also be nice if he told LE where to find the Explorer and the weapon used to shoot Judge Weller. He won't do it though unless he has something to gain...:mad:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

And maybe now we can start to get some answers to our lingering questions about the day of the murder/shooting...and it would also be nice if he told LE where to find the Explorer and the weapon used to shoot Judge Weller. He won't do it though unless he has something to gain...:mad:

He might as well cough it all up and satisfy all of our curiosity. The damage is done. They know he's guilty even without a trial. The least he could do is come clean with how it all went down.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


I know she's an innocent bystander in all of this. But, I have no respect for her, just from viewing her page.

ETA: And of course she'll visit him in jail. Just as soon as he can have visitors. She's a big supporter and 'such a good friend'. I'm sorry.. you can see my sarcasm seeping here.
As far as I'm concerned, she belongs with him...for the same reasons you've mentioned. :beer:

[murdershewrote]

guess he's rather sit on death row than pay alimony:shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


He might as well cough it all up and satisfy all of our curiosity. The damage is done. They know he's guilty even without a trial. The least he could do is come clean with how it all went down.
:no: The evil judge and Mack's evil, threatening wife drove him to it. He just "snapped" and in a panic had to leave the country...or maybe Osborne's dog killed Charla, and the ghost of LHO was the sniper...:rolleyes:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by murdershewrote
guess he's rather sit on death row than pay alimony:shrug:

Isn't that something? I mean really? I bet $10,000 is sounding like a good deal right now.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by murdershewrote
guess he's rather sit on death row than pay alimony:shrug:


:beer:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Hmmm.. interesting. If it was him, I guess he wanted to tell his side of the story before turning himself in. Ya know, how he was wronged by the judge, etc. :rolleyes:

Yeah, he probably just wanted to...

"meet her for coffee" :D

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Yeah, he probably just wanted to...

"meet her for coffee" :D

LOL maybe he thinks she's cute.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Isn't that something? I mean really? I bet $10,000 is sounding like a good deal right now.
It sure makes sense, doesn't it. He threw everything in his life away and ruined the lives of his children because he didn't want to pay her alimony.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

It sure makes sense, doesn't it. He threw everything in his life away and ruined the lives of his children because he didn't want to pay her alimony.

I wonder if he thought he wouldn't get caught.

What could've been going through his mind?

Did he think LE would look for the ppl in the brown van that did this to his wife?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Hmmm.. interesting. If it was him, I guess he wanted to tell his side of the story before turning himself in. Ya know, how he was wronged by the judge, etc. :rolleyes:
Yeah, he probably saw the report she did on him the other night and wanted to 'get the facts straight'...:rolleyes:

[Babby~A]

I wonder if Too will "adjust" as well as somebody else we know of?:o

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


I wonder if he thought he wouldn't get caught.

What could've been going through his mind?

Did he think LE would look for the ppl in the brown van that did this to his wife?
Well, you know, FM, it's hard to say...I just, you know, really don't know. :D

[chambord]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Babby.. did you ever think he might like handcuffs? ;)

Good one...your probably right...maybe he is wearing his very own.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Babby~A
I wonder if Too will "adjust" as well as somebody else we know of?:o

Yup, he wants some of that mail the other guy is receiving.:D

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A
I wonder if Too will "adjust" as well as somebody else we know of?:o
That somebody else is probably calling 'toomuchfun' an IDIOT!!! All this money and opportunity and he still got caught!

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Toby, can you imagine how the former businessman will feel coming back to his hometown in handcuffs surrounded by police and marched into a jail cell. Oy

This is where I'm really confused. He seems to be quite the arrogant man. I have spoken to some who know him and their description is one of a man who thinks he is above others, etc. The fact that he would surrender seems inconsistent with his personality.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


This is where I'm really confused. He seems to be quite the arrogant man. I have spoken to some who know him and their description is one of a man who thinks he is above others, etc. The fact that he would surrender seems inconsistent with his personality.

I think he had to. It sounds like LE was closing in really close. Apparently LE could track his phone card and the buses he used to travel on were being searched.

Arrogant, yup I sure got that impression.

All I can hear is "who's sorry now...":no:

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


This is where I'm really confused. He seems to be quite the arrogant man. I have spoken to some who know him and their description is one of a man who thinks he is above others, etc. The fact that he would surrender seems inconsistent with his personality.

Did they also know Charla?

Just a hunch, but I think little Too may have been considered a "golden boy" similar to another of his brothers-in-crime.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by chambord


Good one...your probably right...maybe he is wearing his very own.

Maybe he had already cuffed himself when they picked him up. :eek:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


This is where I'm really confused. He seems to be quite the arrogant man. I have spoken to some who know him and their description is one of a man who thinks he is above others, etc. The fact that he would surrender seems inconsistent with his personality.
It's not confusing. His arrogance is why he was caught. He thought he could go down to Mexico and stay at resorts and have live it up and not get caught, using aliases such as Darren Stone and John Smith. What he didn't count on is the fact that the Mexican government is fed up with our criminals going to their country to evade capture. If he'd laid low and gone somewhere else, had better aliases, changed his appearance, etc. he might have been free longer. Remember how long Eric Rudolph evaded capture by hiding in the back-country of NC?

[NevadaMom]

Yes, they also knew Charla. They gave examples of how he would talk to you and the impression he gave. They also said the Charla was nothing like that, that she was very sweet, genuinely.

The little girl is what is so upsetting to me. She is really precious and innocent and seems to be kind of not realizing what's going on.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


I wonder if he thought he wouldn't get caught.

What could've been going through his mind?

Did he think LE would look for the ppl in the brown van that did this to his wife?

I think he thought he'd get away with it.....don't they all think they've planned the perfect crime???

Then he found out that his life ahead was going to be a life of constantly on the run, looking over his shoulder, and that he'd never see his family again. Maybe he feared what the next minute would bring?

One thing to note.....the guy who always wants to be in control, was able to control how he was finally apprehended.

Even though this could be a death penalty case (which I support), justice would be served if DM had to spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole........with someone else in CONTROL of his every move......DM deprived on ever being in control again.

[NevadaMom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by magpie1
[B]


One thing to note.....the guy who always wants to be in control, was able to control how he was finally apprehended.


Yes, I found this interesting. He arranged to be taken into custody at the RESORT. I mean, did he have his Bahama Tommy shirt on and his top-shelf margarita? His capture will always be associated with "resort." What a goon.

[magpie1]

This article posted at the Reno Gazette-Journal website at 10:48am today, says that they might transport DM back to Reno today - depending on how long it takes Dallas to complete the booking process.

The article also states that DM was travelling by bus in Mexico. I think it's pretty much a given that the silver Ford Explorer is somewhere in the U.S. and not Mexico. Hopefully DM will tell LE where it is.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/NEWS18/60623004&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Yes, they also knew Charla. They gave examples of how he would talk to you and the impression he gave. They also said the Charla was nothing like that, that she was very sweet, genuinely.

The little girl is what is so upsetting to me. She is really precious and innocent and seems to be kind of not realizing what's going on.

Aww... for Charla and Erica....:rose: :rose:

[Babby~A]

I saw him, on Fox...Had a beard! Walking with his head high. Looks bulked (muscles)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
This article posted at the Reno Gazette-Journal website at 10:48am today, says that they might transport DM back to Reno today - depending on how long it takes Dallas to complete the booking process.

The article also states that DM was travelling by bus in Mexico. I think it's pretty much a given that the silver Ford Explorer is somewhere in the U.S. and not Mexico. Hopefully DM will tell LE where it is.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/NEWS18/60623004&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews
Yes I saw that article also. I believe he left the Explorer at an airport here in the U.S., as I said, perhaps LAX or SFO. I'm still puzzled by the $2.00 parking garage ticket at the Sacramento airport. Maybe he thought he'd find a car in there to switch plates with? :shrug:

[murdershewrote]

As far as the car goes, I'd say it's now in some chop shop in Mexico. Otherwise, I think it would have been found by now...he didn't really have time to hide it.

He could have driven to San Diego, the border here is very porous. Then in Tijuana got rid of the car at a chop shop for cash. Then he could have flown from Tijuana to Puerto Vallarta.
At least it's my theory...I can't wait to hear how he actually made it there.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes I saw that article also. I believe he left the Explorer at an airport here in the U.S., as I said, perhaps LAX or SFO. I'm still puzzled by the $2.00 parking garage ticket at the Sacramento airport. Maybe he thought he'd find a car in there to switch plates with? :shrug:

I think he might have gone to the SAC airport just to switch plates. One of the articles I read and the way in which it was presented, kinda makes me think they've got him on video surveillance, swiping the card and leaving shortly thereafter? The article didn't say that, of course, but that's what I think happened.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A
I saw him, on Fox...Had a beard! Walking with his head high. Looks bulked (muscles)

Dang! I have on Fox News, but nothing so far. Was it a video or a photo?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I think he might have gone to the SAC airport just to switch plates. One of the articles I read and the way in which it was presented, kinda makes me think they've got him on video surveillance, swiping the card and leaving shortly thereafter? The article didn't say that, of course, but that's what I think happened.
There is a surveillance video which the FBI was going to try to enhance. The total time in the garage was 10 minutes. Since it now appears he was travelling with out the assistance of someone else, that is about the only explanation I can think of for the Sacramento stop.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by murdershewrote
As far as the car goes, I'd say it's now in some chop shop in Mexico. Otherwise, I think it would have been found by now...he didn't really have time to hide it.

He could have driven to San Diego, the border here is very porous. Then in Tijuana got rid of the car at a chop shop for cash. Then he could have flown from Tijuana to Puerto Vallarta.
At least it's my theory...I can't wait to hear how he actually made it there.
According to the RPD, his first Mexico sightings were Cabo San Lucas and La Paz (which are both on the Baja strip). He then was seen in Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta. So, yes, the Explorer could have been left somewhere in Baja. Mexico has different regulations for U.S. registered vehicles on the mainland part of the country.

[NevadaMom]

I did just see his picture, but only for a few seconds. It was a video and he was walking with handcuffs next to LE. From the little I saw, he looked bloated - you know how that Mexican cuisine and those margaritas can cause you to have a little extra water weight. I hope he's okay and not too uncomfortable. Don't want Mommy to worry. He did have a scruffy beard.

I wish I knew when he was arriving at Reno. I'd go to the airport, but they are keeping it pretty quiet. If he lands from the south, he will fly in right over his old mansion and his rented townhome. Wave hello, DM!

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
I did just see his picture, but only for a few seconds. It was a video and he was walking with handcuffs next to LE. From the little I saw, he looked bloated - you know how that Mexican cuisine and those margaritas can cause you to have a little extra water weight. I hope he's okay and not too uncomfortable. Don't want Mommy to worry. He did have a scruffy beard.

I wish I knew when he was arriving at Reno. I'd go to the airport, but they are keeping it pretty quiet. If he lands from the south, he will fly in right over his old mansion and his rented townhome. Wave hello, DM!
Thanks for the update! I'll check back with the cable news later. I'm sure NG will have lots of nice (sarcastic) things to say :D

I like the part about flying in over his old homes...I know exactly where the airport is in relation to them. Since the State sent their jet to DFW, maybe he'll come back on it.

[TobyTiger]

A lawyer for fugitive Darren Mack says he's eager to begin a defense. Lawyer Scott Freeman tells the Associated Press that Mack "had options available to him to fight extradition through a lawful court process in Mexico." The lawyer says that would have helped Mack, but "he chose to voluntarily surrender."

Source: kpvi.com

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
I did just see his picture, but only for a few seconds. It was a video and he was walking with handcuffs next to LE. From the little I saw, he looked bloated - you know how that Mexican cuisine and those margaritas can cause you to have a little extra water weight. I hope he's okay and not too uncomfortable. Don't want Mommy to worry. He did have a scruffy beard.

I wish I knew when he was arriving at Reno. I'd go to the airport, but they are keeping it pretty quiet. If he lands from the south, he will fly in right over his old mansion and his rented townhome. Wave hello, DM!

I bet he will arrive in the twilight hours in order to have less media and public around.

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
A lawyer for fugitive Darren Mack says he's eager to begin a defense. Lawyer Scott Freeman tells the Associated Press that Mack "had options available to him to fight extradition through a lawful court process in Mexico." The lawyer says that would have helped Mack, but "he chose to voluntarily surrender."

Source: kpvi.com


Oh brother, a lawyer eager to begin Mack's defense, or a lawyer chomping on the bit to gain some noteriety.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Babby~A


I bet he will arrive in the twilight hours in order to have less media and public around.

IMO, Mack is enjoying the media attention..It goes with the narcisstic personality he seems to have.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by chambord


IMO, Mack is enjoying the media attention..It goes with the narcisstic personality he seems to have.

Aww.... well he can glow in the light until he is stuck away where he will prolly turn flabby and pale white while.. the media will forget him and move on. Lonely days ahead ... I bet.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by chambord



Oh brother, a lawyer eager to begin Mack's defense, or a lawyer chomping on the bit to gain some noteriety.

I think it's the one mommy hired.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Babby~A


I think it's the one mommy hired.

Is this another Jackie Peterson type? Deny, deny, deny.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by chambord


Is this another Jackie Peterson type? Deny, deny, deny.

:shrug: might be blame, blame, blame.

[NevadaMom]

Mommy is something else. Short, a little overweight, huge pouffy black hair, dripping diamonds, expensive clothes, but not necessarily in good taste or fashion. I think she might have a medical condition as she kind of shakes like she has early Parkinson's, but I'm merely speculating.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Mommy is something else. Short, a little overweight, huge pouffy black hair, dripping diamonds, expensive clothes, but not necessarily in good taste or fashion. I think she might have a medical condition as she kind of shakes like she has early Parkinson's, but I'm merely speculating.

Just what I thought except for the medical condition.

NM are you from Nevada, or a transplant?

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Just what I thought except for the medical condition.

NM are you from Nevada, or a transplant?

Transplant, but we know people who know them and/or have had business dealings with them and I have seen them throughout this last 11 days.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Transplant, but we know people who know them and/or have had business dealings with them and I have seen them throughout this last 11 days.

Oh okay. Do you like it there? Did you move from CA?

[NevadaMom]

Love it here. Didn't move from Cali, though.

[chambord]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Mommy is something else. Short, a little overweight, huge pouffy black hair, dripping diamonds, expensive clothes, but not necessarily in good taste or fashion. I think she might have a medical condition as she kind of shakes like she has early Parkinson's, but I'm merely speculating.


Just what I had envisoned.. another "golden child". It figures.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Oh brother, a lawyer eager to begin Mack's defense, or a lawyer chomping on the bit to gain some noteriety.
I agree...:rolleyes:

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Love it here. Didn't move from Cali, though.

I don't know if you like to walk. But the Historical Society has Saturday am walks through different older neighborhoods in Reno. The walks gather a good group and they are a lot of fun. :)

[NevadaMom]

I've heard about that. I could sure use it. May consider it!

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Just what I had envisoned.. another "golden child". It figures.
And we'll soon find out if the attorney is another MG ...'SODDI' :rolleyes:

(Picture of Mack at DFW airport today (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13500735/))

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

And we'll soon find out if the attorney is another MG ...'SODDI' :rolleyes:

(Picture of Mack at DFW airport today (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13500735/))

I spose they all grow beards.:rolleyes:

Is there a scratch on his nose?

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
A lawyer for fugitive Darren Mack says he's eager to begin a defense. Lawyer Scott Freeman tells the Associated Press that Mack "had options available to him to fight extradition through a lawful court process in Mexico." The lawyer says that would have helped Mack, but "he chose to voluntarily surrender."

Source: kpvi.com

What a gentleman.

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

And we'll soon find out if the attorney is another MG ...'SODDI' :rolleyes:

(Picture of Mack at DFW airport today (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13500735/))


Oh brother, he looks a little scruffy there doesn't he?

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A


I spose they all grow beards.:rolleyes:

Is there a scratch on his nose?

He had been lounging around the pool. I guess he didn't dive in or his hair and beard would be orange. Oh wait.. I'm getting him confused with another one.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


He had been lounging around the pool. I guess he didn't dive in or his hair and beard would be orange. Oh wait.. I'm getting him confused with another one.
:lol:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Oh brother, he looks a little scruffy there doesn't he?
I can hardly wait to see NG in 90 minutes...:D (just hope she doesn't have someone else subbing for her tonight!)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

And we'll soon find out if the attorney is another MG ...'SODDI' :rolleyes:

(Picture of Mack at DFW airport today (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13500735/))

Aside from the chin fuzz, he's got that...

protruding frontal lobe ...:eek:

[chambord]

I'm curious if this DA friend of his for twenty years promised him something to come in of his own violation, and its something he can't really deliver. This could get really interesting.

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I can hardly wait to see NG in 90 minutes...:D (just hope she doesn't have someone else subbing for her tonight!)


She had a stand in this afternoon, so I wouldn't be suprised if she isn't there tonight.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by chambord
I'm curious if this DA friend of his for twenty years promised him something to come in of his own violation, and its something he can't really deliver. This could get really interesting.

I sort of think that. I can't imagine him surrendering, knowing that he would be facing the DP.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Babby~A


I spose they all grow beards.:rolleyes:

Is there a scratch on his nose?

Being the dangerous man that he is, He probably couldn't trust himself with razor blades and thus, the unshaven beard growth.

I think there's probably a "scratch" on his arm, from the result of having slaughtered his estranged wife?

[FitnessMom]

I'm not sure which of the many threads to post this in.. but this is the most active so I'll use it.

I'm home now. I just checked Mack's myspace page to see if there were any new posts from his good friend Marcy. I've always checked his page from work. I don't have sound at work. Today was the first time I've heard that song. Does anybody know what that song is? I've never heard it. I'm curious what the words are.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Aside from the chin fuzz, he's got that...

protruding frontal lobe ...:eek:

Ick.... I noticed that.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by FitnessMom
I'm not sure which of the many threads to post this in.. but this is the most active so I'll use it.

I'm home now. I just checked Mack's myspace page to see if there were any new posts from his good friend Marcy. I've always checked his page from work. I don't have sound at work. Today was the first time I've heard that song. Does anybody know what that song is? I've never heard it. I'm curious what the words are.

It says that it is Korn... it's kind of nutty, if you ask me.:shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



She had a stand in this afternoon, so I wouldn't be suprised if she isn't there tonight.
No!!! :(

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom
I'm not sure which of the many threads to post this in.. but this is the most active so I'll use it.

I'm home now. I just checked Mack's myspace page to see if there were any new posts from his good friend Marcy. I've always checked his page from work. I don't have sound at work. Today was the first time I've heard that song. Does anybody know what that song is? I've never heard it. I'm curious what the words are.
No, because when I checked that page I immediately put the volume on 'mute' when that blaring noise came through the speakers :D
(I think the title is under his picture?)

[joe6]

Here's the link again to the deleted web page (hope it comes through):
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:YOGB7VMz_3AJ:www.ilovepossibility.i nfo/manila_02053.htm+%22charla+mack%22+ilovepossibilit y&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

You get get it if you Google for:
"Charla Mack" Landmark

[Babby~A]

Charla's family gave a brief conferecne.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5070117

[TobyTiger]

Nancy Grace -
Mack had $36,000. cash on his person when apprehended.
LE believe much more was stashed in bank accounts (some other country)
LE believe he was trying to exit Mexico and get to another country where extradition would be harder
Mack was afraid of Federales capturing him and being put in Mexican jail :D :D

[TobyTiger]

Nancy Grace -
Reshowing and reshowing video of Mack entering Dallas Sheriff's station, in handcuffs :D

[NevadaMom]

Per the AMW guy on NG (at least I think this is who said it), when DM did not turn himself in yesterday, LE arranged for Mexican authorities to "parade around" where they thought DM was to scare him. LE decided to play on his fear of Mexican LE/jail that DM had expressed during their communications.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Per the AMW guy on NG (at least I think this is who said it), when DM did not turn himself in yesterday, LE arranged for Mexican authorities to "parade around" where they thought DM was to scare him. LE decided to play on his fear of Mexican LE/jail that DM had expressed during their communications.
I heard! The poor baby was afraid of being in their jail...according to Ed Miller of AMW it was the "inhumane conditions" of the Mexican jails he didn't want any part of. :D

[Babby~A]

Crime doesn't pay. :mad: :cuss: :no:

[chambord]

Mack's atty. on NG, Mr. Chesnoff (sp)... "Mack had other alternatives, he decided to return so the he may defend himself".. I can hear it now, it was self defense, Charla attacked him first, she brought the knife,,,just wait, its coming.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A
Crime doesn't pay. :cuss: :no:
NG playing Mexican music in background as she shows video of Mack in custody OY!!:D

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord
Mack's atty. on NG, Mr. Chesnoff (sp)... "Mack had other alternatives, he decided to return so the he may defend himself".. I can hear it now, it was self defense, Charla attacked him first, she brought the knife,,,just wait, its coming.
I know it...the stage was already set with his comments (through friends) that she was abusive to him, prone to violent mood swings, etc. And as far as the judge...ok, he owned a rifle similar to the one used to shoot the judge, but...SODDI. :rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I heard! The poor baby was afraid of being in their jail...according to Ed Miller of AMW it was the "inhumane conditions" of the Mexican jails he didn't want any part of. :D

*inhumane conditions* ?

Anything compared to slaughtering your estranged wife to death, dragging her body across the garage to make room for her vehicle, so that neither her body nor her vehicle can be detected from the outside? That kind of inhumane?

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I know it...the stage was already set with his comments (through friends) that she was abusive to him, prone to violent mood swings, etc. And as far as the judge...ok, he owned a rifle similar to the one used to shoot the judge, but...SODDI. :rolleyes:

Yup, Toby,,,its going to be a self defense. He had plenty of ammo., he would never use a knife...It was Charla who started it, and whipped out a knife..She attacked him first, and as far as the judge....It wasn't Mack...Wrong guy.


moo

[NevadaMom]

I haven't laughed at anything in this case until now. When the NG show returns from breaks, they show DM getting out of the police car in handcuffs and the Mexican music is playing loudly in the background. There's something that is toohilarious about that.

And, yes, Toby, the defense has mentioned at least five times that DM had options. I wouldn't doubt if we learn that it was part of DM's agreeing to surrender to repeat that HE HAD OPTIONS, therefore, HE WAS IN CONTROL.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


*inhumane conditions* ?

Anything compared to slaughtering your estranged wife to death, dragging her body across the garage to make room for her vehicle, so that neither her body nor her vehicle can be detected from the outside? That kind of inhumane?
I guess the STUPID IDIOT didn't think the Mexican jails were good enough for him...but if he'd allowed the Federales (who were outside his hotel room :D ) to capture him, they would've given him the legal channels to SPARE HIS LIFE!!! The Washoe Co DA who was his friend has recused himself from the case. Whoever tries this case needs to seek the DP just to show him how ARROGANT he really is.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
I haven't laughed at anything in this case until now. When the NG show returns from breaks, they show DM getting out of the police car in handcuffs and the Mexican music is playing loudly in the background. There's something that is toohilarious about that.

And, yes, Toby, the defense has mentioned at least five times that DM had options. I wouldn't doubt if we learn that it was part of DM's agreeing to surrender to repeat that HE HAD OPTIONS, therefore, HE WAS IN CONTROL.
Yes, he knows EVERYTHING! He's smarter than LE and especially those Federales and their dirty Mexican jails...:rolleyes: Wait until he gets to prison in NV...:D it'll be tooooomuchfun

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord


Yup, Toby,,,its going to be a self defense. He had plenty of ammo., he would never use a knife...It was Charla who started it, and whipped out a knife..She attacked him first, and as far as the judge....It wasn't Mack...Wrong guy.


moo
BANK IT!!! :biggrin:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A
Charla's family gave a brief conferecne.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5070117
Thanks! And the same video showed his arrival at DFW, being escorted through the terminal, with passengers looking on as he walked by...:D

[NevadaMom]

Local news who said they have Charla's family's news conference, video of Mack at the airport, and the entire LE news conference on their site:

http://www.krnv.com/

Also, DM's atty was interviewed and he reiterated....drum roll........

(paraphrase): DM had a choice. He delayed his surrender by one day to re-evaluate his choices and he chose to return to Reno because he wanted to see his family and it is his choice to come back to defend himself.

This is where the local news said he surrendered:

http://marriott.com/property/propertypage/PVRMX

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

BANK IT!!! :biggrin:


Tree is here??:D

[NevadaMom]

I heard this song yesterday on the radio and thought of DM. Certainly, it's not meant to be 100% accurate about him or Charla, but nonetheless:

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/lifeinthefastlane.html

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Tree is here??:D
Thought that'd give you a laugh!

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


HAHAHA..Thanks for the laugh. You have to be referring to "poor, desperate Marcy, Mack's self appointed defender." Apparently, she could never get him to meet her BEFORE all of this happened. At least she won't have trouble finding him now if she wants to stalk him! LOL :lol:
Yes, marcy. I'm sure he'd be happy to see her now that his "swinging lifestyle" is over. She can visit him at county jail, attend the trial and then make weekly trips to the state prison. That'll just be toomuchfun for her! :D

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


You're probably right. (OMG I just heard that Aaron Spelling has died.) Judging from the time and effort she spent on his MYSPACE, she has way too much time on her hands. Poor, desperate girl!
I wonder how long that 'myspace' will stay there. It could be a venue for his fan club to communicate with him then she can print out the messages... :rolleyes:

[NevadaMom]

Looking closely at "Marcy's" picture of her sticking out her tongue, does it look like she has on a flight attendant outfit? I'm just trying to figure out why an adult would act like she does and wonder where she works, etc.

[magpie1]

I"ve been out doing errands all afternoon and am just now catching up on all the news.

I saw the video of the comments made by Christopher Broughton, Charla's younger brother and family spokesman.

I heard a lot of anger in Christopher Broughton's voice. From this point on, I feel things are going to really get ugly between the Macks and Charla's family. As Darren Mack, and possibly his family, try to portray Charla as the one to blame for all that happened in their marriage and divorce, and that Darren was only acting in self defense, there's going to be an ever-widening gulf between the families. At some point there may be a battle over custody of Erika.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by magpie1
I"ve been out doing errands all afternoon and am just now catching up on all the news.

I saw the video of the comments made by Christopher Broughton, Charla's younger brother and family spokesman.

I heard a lot of anger in Christopher Broughton's voice. From this point on, I feel things are going to really get ugly between the Macks and Charla's family. As Darren Mack, and possibly his family, try to portray Charla as the one to blame for all that happened in their marriage and divorce, and that Darren was only acting in self defense, there's going to be an ever-widening gulf between the families. At some point there may be a battle over custody of Erika.

I agree, I got the same impression.

One of the articles mentioned that Charla's mother is making plans to move from her current home in Southern California to Reno NV, to be closer to the children.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree, I got the same impression.

One of the articles mentioned that Charla's mother is making plans to move from her current home in Southern California to Reno NV, to be closer to the children.

I heard that too. I believe Christopher Broughton mentioned in his press conference. He sort of waffled when asked if he too was going to move to Reno.....saying something to the effect that it was under consideration.

One thing I noted about Christopher Broughton's - he declined to state what his occupation is. His mother was standing to his right, and she laughed when he said he declined to state. I thought I heard he was an artist, and I wonder why he's reluctant to give his occupation?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by magpie1


I heard that too. I believe Christopher Broughton mentioned in his press conference. He sort of waffled when asked if he too was going to move to Reno.....saying something to the effect that it was under consideration.

One thing I noted about Christopher Broughton's - he declined to state what his occupation is. His mother was standing to his right, and she laughed when he said he declined to state. I thought I heard he was an artist, and I wonder why he's reluctant to give his occupation?

Christopher Broughton:

Is this him?

Artists and Artwork

http://www.montserrat.edu/auction19/artists/cbroughton.shtml

[magpie1]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Christopher Broughton:

Is this him?

Artists and Artwork

http://www.montserrat.edu/auction19/artists/cbroughton.shtml

I did a quick people search, and the Christopher Broughton in Brooklyn, NY is 41 years old - too old to be Charla's brother, who stated he was 30.

[Reno27]

Shortly after the 11:00 news ended here, they cut into programming to announce that he is now in Reno. He will not be among the other inmates for now since it was so high profile.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Reno27
Shortly after the 11:00 news ended here, they cut into programming to announce that he is now in Reno. He will not be among the other inmates for now since it was so high profile.

Thank you. I was just searching for some updated news and couldn't find any.

The case against Darren Roy Mack deserves a *gag order* in my opinion!

[TobyTiger]

Ending an 11-day international manhunt, Darren Mack turned himself in to authorities and arrived in Reno late Friday to face charges in the stabbing death of his estranged wife and the shooting of the family court judge deciding their divorce.

Mack turns himself in, booked into Washoe jail (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240324/1002)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thank you. I was just searching for some updated news and couldn't find any.

The case against Darren Roy Mack deserves a *gag order* in my opinion!
You don't want any news updates or information until trial? I don't think a "gag order" is necessary; after the preliminary hearing there probably won't be much in the news anyway. However, a change of venue may be a good idea. Even though Mack's "friend" the DA has recused himself, his staff would still be prosecuting the case. In addition, since one of the charges involves the shooting of a judge, it might be a good idea to move it to Clark Co. (Las Vegas) with a Clark Co. DA and judge... just to make sure the verdict isn't overturned on appeal.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


I'm sure DM's attorneys would love to "gag him." IMO, he lead them directly to him intentionally. From all accounts, he is a reasonably intelligent man. He instigated the contact with the Reno DA himself. Anybody with half a brain has to know that a dozen or more phone calls and e-mails can/will eventually be traced. He also provided info himself....how he was traveling, etc. I really think that "after the fact," he knew he had royally screwed up and also knew that the best thing to do was to run far away. I think his "soft spot" for his family and kids was the only thing that kept him from disappearing. He certainly had the means and know how to do so. I have a feeling we will hear this described as a "crime of passion" in reference to his wife's murder. As far as the judge goes, depending on the evidence (and there very well may not be any true evidence), we may see the "It wasn't me! *Eminem Defense."
On Nancy Grace last night, it was said that he asked about his mother and brother, but didn't even mention his children. As far as the defense, I agree. He will try to portray Charla as the antagonist (which he has already tried according to statements that were published) and as far as Judge Weller, either SODDI or he may say he was driven over the edge by this whole matter and "lost it."

[dave134]

Originally posted by kimberly325


I'm sure DM's attorneys would love to "gag him." IMO, he lead them directly to him intentionally. From all accounts, he is a reasonably intelligent man. He instigated the contact with the Reno DA himself. Anybody with half a brain has to know that a dozen or more phone calls and e-mails can/will eventually be traced. He also provided info himself....how he was traveling, etc. I really think that "after the fact," he knew he had royally screwed up and also knew that the best thing to do was to run far away. I think his "soft spot" for his family and kids was the only thing that kept him from disappearing. He certainly had the means and know how to do so. I have a feeling we will hear this described as a "crime of passion" in reference to his wife's murder. As far as the judge goes, depending on the evidence (and there very well may not be any true evidence), we may see the "It wasn't me! *Eminem Defense."

I agree with that completely and I am also wondering about the evidence. It's going to be interesting to see what evidence they do eventually get, if any.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by dave134


I agree with that completely and I am also wondering about the evidence. It's going to be interesting to see what evidence they do eventually get, if any.
Hi and welcome!

Search of Townhouse Yields Dozens of Items (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240333/1002)

However, still missing is the knife used to murder Charla, the Bushmaster rifle and the silver 2006 Ford Explorer which he rented from Budget and is now on the Interpol/Natl. database as a stolen vehicle.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

You don't want any news updates or information until trial? I don't think a "gag order" is necessary; after the preliminary hearing there probably won't be much in the news anyway. However, a change of venue may be a good idea. Even though Mack's "friend" the DA has recused himself, his staff would still be prosecuting the case. In addition, since one of the charges involves the shooting of a judge, it might be a good idea to move it to Clark Co. (Las Vegas) with a Clark Co. DA and judge... just to make sure the verdict isn't overturned on appeal.

I think the trial should have a change of venue too. There's too many factors in this case that will make it difficult to get a fair and impartial jury.

Darren Mack is well known in Reno, and it appears he has a lot of support from those who believe the family court system isn't fair. Judge Weller is well-known as well, and has both friends and foes. The notority of this case locally is another factor. I think it would be very difficult to get a jury that doesn't know any of those involved and hasn't already formed an opinion.

Speaking for my area in southern California, no one seems to know who Darren Mack is. Only if you mention the shooting of the judge in Reno, will you get any sort of recognition. So, I know there's places where the case isn't well-known. I'm sure there's places in Nevada where they can get a fair trial.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


I think the trial should have a change of venue too. There's too many factors in this case that will make it difficult to get a fair and impartial jury.

Darren Mack is well known in Reno, and it appears he has a lot of support from those who believe the family court system isn't fair. Judge Weller is well-known as well, and has both friends and foes. The notority of this case locally is another factor. I think it would be very difficult to get a jury that doesn't know any of those involved and hasn't already formed an opinion.

Speaking for my area in southern California, no one seems to know who Darren Mack is. Only if you mention the shooting of the judge in Reno, will you get any sort of recognition. So, I know there's places where the case isn't well-known. I'm sure there's places in Nevada where they can get a fair trial.
You mentioned a good reason why the search for the missing Explorer may need to be concentrated in So Calif.! This idea of venue change was actually brought up on Nancy Grace last night. I mentioned Las Vegas primarily because it is in the county with the largest population. We'll see what happens :)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

You mentioned a good reason why the search for the missing Explorer may need to be concentrated in So Calif.! This idea of venue change was actually brought up on Nancy Grace last night. I mentioned Las Vegas primarily because it is in the county with the largest population. We'll see what happens :)

I think Darren is a celebrity-wannabe, who happens also to be a millionaire. Trial in Las Vegas would be appropriate and defense attorney, David Chesnoff, would be more than convenient. Although, Texas would be okay by me!

[NevadaMom]

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5070117

The first two videos are interesting. Listen to DM's attorney reminding us, once again, that DM had a choice.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5070117

The first two videos are interesting. Listen to DM's attorney reminding us, once again, that DM had a choice.

Choices?

Darren, the powerful and privileged millionaire, apparently "ran out" and "ran away" from many choices available to him.

Slaughtering his estranged wife wasn't one of them, nor was the attempted assassination of Judge Weller!!

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240324/1002

Darren Mack became a vocal opponent of Weller's, and friends and family have said that Mack thought the judge was corrupt. Another friend told police after the murder and shooting that Mack "was at the end of his rope" and was "extremely frustrated and angry with both his estranged wife and Judge Weller," according to the search warrant affidavit.

Anger Management would have been a choice for the millionaire.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I think Darren is a celebrity-wannabe, who happens also to be a millionaire. Trial in Las Vegas would be appropriate and defense attorney, David Chesnoff, would be more than convenient. Although, Texas would be okay by me!
I mentioned that to a poster here who is in Texas - that it's too bad the crimes didn't happen there :D

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Choices?

Darren, the powerful and privileged millionaire, apparently "ran out" and "ran away" from many choices available to him.

Slaughtering his estranged wife wasn't one of them, nor was the attempted assassination of Judge Weller!!

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240324/1002



Anger Management would have been a choice for the millionaire.

Wonder how he likes the choices this sunny Saturday afternoon from his 7x10. Only a few impossible- to- reach blocks, form the Pawn Palace.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Wonder how he likes the choices this sunny Saturday afternoon from his 7x10. Only a few impossible- to- reach blocks, form the Pawn Palace.

As opposed to, "Would you like that with extra lime?" or "Do you prefer an aisle or window seat?" or "Medium or medium-rare, sir?" or "Would you like that table ready at 7:15 or 7:30?" or "We'll just add that to your account."

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Wonder how he likes the choices this sunny Saturday afternoon from his 7x10. Only a few impossible- to- reach blocks, form the Pawn Palace.

I think the powerful privileged millionaire celebrity-wannabe pawn shop owner & Elvis impersonator, is comforted this weekend, while meeting and embracing his team of wild-horses who can lead him to freedom and strategically & quickly return him to his alternative-lifestyle!

Perhaps, a slap on the hand, crown the king with a year or two of probation, along with court ordered Anger Management, would be sufficient?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Wonder how he likes the choices this sunny Saturday afternoon from his 7x10. Only a few impossible- to- reach blocks, form the Pawn Palace.
Wonder if he has a window to look at the Palace? Isn't he supposed to have a court appearance on Monday?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Wonder if he has a window to look at the Palace? Isn't he supposed to have a court appearance on Monday?

Yes, Monday. I'm sure he and his attorneys are meeting throughout the weekend, to "explore his options" for Monday's hearing.

"It was always his desire to surrender," Freeman said. "It was always his lawyers' advice that he surrender. However, we wanted to explore the options with Mexico, and that created the delay."

the powerful and privileged "explore their options"

:rolleyes: similar to treasure hunting in a pawn shop!

[TobyTiger]

Reminder -
'The Lineup' on FNC at 6:00pm PT! :D

[dave134]

They are doing an update I guess on AMW right now on the east coast at least. They mentioned he may have been using steroids, which is interesting...people say he changed from what he used to be. His reaction seems bizarre to me...when he was walking through the airport and was asked for a comment, he calmly says "not at this moment" just as if he was being asked for a comment on how his vacation was going or something.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by dave134
They are doing an update I guess on AMW right now on the east coast at least. They mentioned he may have been using steroids, which is interesting...people say he changed from what he used to be. His reaction seems bizarre to me...when he was walking through the airport and was asked for a comment, he calmly says "not at this moment" just as if he was being asked for a comment on how his vacation was going or something.
Thanks for the AMW update...won't be on here for 2-1/2 hrs. Some interesting things were brought up on 'The Lineup' also...regarding the early stages of their break-up and what led up to this. Dean Tong, who did a mental health profile on Mack last year, stated there was a pre-nuptial agreement, and early on Charla had told Darren she wouldn't fight for custody or his assets if he'd rescind the pre-nup...he complied and then she changed her mind and 'the war started'. He said the assessment he did on Mack last year was 'normal' however after Mack's bankruptcy filing last year he'd changed.

[dave134]

Someone logged into his myspace on Friday, BTW.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Thanks for the AMW update...won't be on here for 2-1/2 hrs. Some interesting things were brought up on 'The Lineup' also...regarding the early stages of their break-up and what led up to this. Dean Tong, who did a mental health profile on Mack last year, stated there was a pre-nuptial agreement, and early on Charla had told Darren she wouldn't fight for custody or his assets if he'd rescind the pre-nup...he complied and then she changed her mind and 'the war started'. He said the assessment he did on Mack last year was 'normal' however after Mack's bankruptcy filing last year he'd changed.

Will the Lineup air again this evening?:seeya:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by dave134
Someone logged into his myspace on Friday, BTW.
Well, we know it wasn't him...he was handcuffed :D Might have been the site administrator or LE?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Will the Lineup air again this evening?:seeya:
Well, it's almost over now...it started at 9:00pm! Sorry! ;)

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Well, it's almost over now...it started at 9:00pm! Sorry! ;)

I know, I turned it on at 9:45.:(

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


I jus caught this post. How funny, thanks for a good laugh! :D
Yes, our dear FitnessMom can come up with some good comparisons!

[TobyTiger]

Great picture! (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage)

:D

[TobyTiger]

Jailed Mack meets with his lawyers (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/NEWS01/606250400/1002)

And another picture...

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Great picture! (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage)

:D

Thanks, Toby. Photo Gallery has Mack, as well

as Charla's mother and brother.

(from your link above, there's also an

interesting article about the meth problems

in Northern Nevada. Very sad).

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Jailed Mack meets with his lawyers (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060625/NEWS01/606250400/1002)

And another picture...

Photo of Mack looks like Gomer Pyle,

instead of an Elvis impersonator! :D

Under Nevada law, a person convicted of first-degree murder in Nevada could face the death penalty if one of 14 aggravating circumstances can be proved, and no mitigating circumstance outweighs the aggravators. (cont'd)

Good article that explains Nevada's DP.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Photo of Mack looks like Gomer Pyle,

instead of an Elvis impersonator! :D



Good article that explains Nevada's DP.
Yes, I'm impressed with their thorough coverage of the case. :read:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes, I'm impressed with their thorough coverage of the case. :read:

Me too, but I don't want to become too overly impressed coming out of the gate regarding the overall landscape of the picture.

[magpie1]

I read the article on the qualifications for the death penalty and am wondering if this case meets the criteria.

Does anyone here think the District Attorney will go for the death penalty?

[Babby~A]

acquitted and Judge Weller should be charged with provoking the crimes.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:



http://www.myspace.com/17033252

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by magpie1
I read the article on the qualifications for the death penalty and am wondering if this case meets the criteria.

Does anyone here think the District Attorney will go for the death penalty?

I'm curious to know how many times he stabbled Charla,

and if it was an "overkill" ...?

And then, I'd further like to know if steriods or meth

was a contributing factor to the kill.

Of course, there will be Mack's claims of

harassment by the family court judge.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A
acquitted and Judge Weller should be charged with provoking the crimes.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:



http://www.myspace.com/17033252
Consider the source of the comments. :rolleyes:

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes, our dear FitnessMom can come up with some good comparisons!

Unfortunately I have to disagree with your opinion.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
I read the article on the qualifications for the death penalty and am wondering if this case meets the criteria.

Does anyone here think the District Attorney will go for the death penalty?

For a complete definition of murder, malice, degrees of murder/penalties and aggravating circumstances:

Nevada Revised Statutes 200.010-200.033 (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec030)

This will better explain the law, and how it applies to NV v. Mack.

:)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord


Unfortunately I have to disagree with your opinion.
Hi chambord! :D

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Hi chambord! :D :seeya:


I needed from that other board. This case, IMO, is going to turn into one heck of a convoluted mess. An accident waiting to happen. The best thing would be to get this case moved out of Reno and away from all the influences.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I'm curious to know how many times he stabbled Charla,

and if it was an "overkill" ...?

And then, I'd further like to know if steriods or meth

was a contributing factor to the kill.

Of course, there will be Mack's claims of

harassment by the family court judge.

One article during the past two weeks stated, "Charla Mack, 39, had been stabbed multiple times in the torso." It sounds like it might have been overkill.

In another article I can't find now, the police found Charla's cell phone along the west-bound side of the I-80, along with other items related to the murder scene - the ploice haven't disclosed what those other items are.

I'm very curious to learn what the other items are that were found with Charla's cell phone.

The murder weapon, presumedly the Gerber knife - the sheath for which was found on the floor in the master bedroom of Darren's condo, has not been found, as far as we know. I've wondered ever since hearing about the cell phone and other items along the I-80, if the knife was among those other items???

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord
:seeya:


I needed from that other board. This case, IMO, is going to turn into one heck of a convoluted mess. An accident waiting to happen. The best thing would be to get this case moved out of Reno and away from all the influences.
I understand about the need to get a change of scenery. I also agree this case needs a change of venue for several reasons, and to ensure that a guilty verdict isn't overturned on appeal.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


One article during the past two weeks stated, "Charla Mack, 39, had been stabbed multiple times in the torso." It sounds like it might have been overkill.

In another article I can't find now, the police found Charla's cell phone along the west-bound side of the I-80, along with other items related to the murder scene - the ploice haven't disclosed what those other items are.

I'm very curious to learn what the other items are that were found with Charla's cell phone.

The murder weapon, presumedly the Gerber knife - the sheath for which was found on the floor in the master bedroom of Darren's condo, has not been found, as far as we know. I've wondered ever since hearing about the cell phone and other items along the I-80, if the knife was among those other items???
Nothing has been said about the recovery of the murder weapon, the Bushmaster rifle and the stolen Ford Explorer is still missing. The other items found with her cell phone could have been contents of her purse? I doubt he'd toss the knife alongside the highway. But, who knows with this guy? :shrug:

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I understand about the need to get a change of scenery. I also agree this case needs a change of venue for several reasons, and to ensure that a guilty verdict isn't overturned on appeal.

Mack has too many connections in the town of Reno. He appears to have weight to pull, reminds me of another case in Aruba. He is going to be arrainged tomorrow I understand, I don't think his attys will ask for a venue change due to the fact it would help Mack to keep it in Reno. Can the prosecution request a venue change? I think that would be in their best interest to do so.

BTW Toby...I sent you a reply.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord


Mack has too many connections in the town of Reno. He appears to have weight to pull, reminds me of another case in Aruba. He is going to be arrainged tomorrow I understand, I don't think his attys will ask for a venue change due to the fact it would help Mack to keep it in Reno. Can the prosecution request a venue change? I think that would be in their best interest to do so.

BTW Toby...I sent you a reply.
Yes, the DA can request a venue change, or to have a Judge brought in from another county. His attorneys might want the change as they'd perceive every judge in Washoe Co. to be biased against him since he is accused of attempted murder on a judge. The DA could request the change to circumvent his future appeal that he didn't get a fair trial due to a biased judge.

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes, the DA can request a venue change, or to have a Judge brought in from another county. His attorneys might want the change as they'd perceive every judge in Washoe Co. to be biased against him since he is accused of attempted murder on a judge. The DA could request the change to circumvent his future appeal that he didn't get a fair trial due to a biased judge.

Thanks for the info... I just sent you a long rambling reply.. did you get it.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord


Thanks for the info... I just sent you a long rambling reply.. did you get it.
Yes ;) and you're welcome for the 'legal' explanations!

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Nothing has been said about the recovery of the murder weapon, the Bushmaster rifle and the stolen Ford Explorer is still missing. The other items found with her cell phone could have been contents of her purse? I doubt he'd toss the knife alongside the highway. But, who knows with this guy? :shrug:

TobyTiger,
A week ago I too would have doubted Mack would toss the murder weapon out the car window, but now, after seeing that Mack wasn't as clever with planning the murder/escape as I originally thought, he might have tossed it.

The police revealed that they had recovered Charla's cell phone and other items related to the murder scene, but wouldn't elaborate on what those other items were. If those other items were not important to the murder, why not list them?

I wish I could find that article now, for the exact quote. The way that article was worded made me think the police had recovered something important and were withholding that information.

Thanks for the link to the Nevada law page! :)

[magpie1]

Originally posted by Babby~A
acquitted and Judge Weller should be charged with provoking the crimes.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:



http://www.myspace.com/17033252

These people who want to excuse Darren Mack's crimes by blaming the family court are operating with flawed logic.

Scenario: A landlord evicts his tenent who's failed to pay the rent for several months. Upon evicting the tenent, the landlord finds that, adding insult to injury, the tenent has vandalized the rental house before his eviction. There's thousands of dollars worth of damage to the house. So the landlord sues the former tenent for damages.

Through some unforeseen legal loophole, the judge rules against the landlord.

Using the flawed logic of the Darren Mack defenders, the landlord now cannot be blamed for murdering his former tenent and shooting the judge who didn't rule in his favor. :rolleyes:

The really scary part is realizing that there's a lot of people who seem to be operating under this flawed logic. And even scarier........these people might make it on a jury!

[chambord]

Originally posted by kimberly325


Chambord, I was thinking the exact same thing that you wrote while reading over the earlier posts. The best case scenario would be for DM to get a trial in Reno with an outside Judge.

I am very interested to see what, if anything, they have directly linking him to the shooting of the Judge. So far they've only stated that they have "probable cause" to seek an arrest warrant for the shooting of the Judge. Probable cause may not amount to much more than mere speculation, depending on the state, some are more strict than others. Most states need only probable cause to send a proposed case to the grand jury for an indictment. You know what they sometimes say, "A grand jury will indict a bologna sandwich!" LOL I heard someone say that on TV the other day.

I don't like the fact that the media seems to keep playing up the importance of the Judge's shooting, like it's more important than Charla's killing. IMO, Charlas's life is/was just as important as the "Honorable Judge Wellers." That "status thing" gets on my nerves. We'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

Kimberly

Kim

You brought up a great poing, and I agree, Charla's life is equally important, and I hope that is what the focus will be, the brutal murder.

[NevadaMom]

Very interesting conversation. The other night, AMW had a re-enactment on their show. I believe AMW had been with LE during this last 10 days filming behind-the-scenes stuff because they had video of what looked like actual goings on in the DA's office. Anyway, this re-enactment shows Charla standing in the garage with the garage door closed facing DM, they were arguing, and he pulled a knife out of his back pocket and started stabbing her repeatedly around the face and neck, then it stopped to show the next scene. It also showed which the actual (I assume) Starbucks he went to. It was, interestingly, the one that is closest to the entrance to the freeway headed to the courthouse. The other Starbucks of about equal distance is on the other side of the freeway and he would have had to backtrack to get on the freeway to go north. Just a thought. Then, they showed the actor on the top floor of a parking garage with his gun rested on the concrete wall, taking aim. That would have avoided the echo/loud noise we were talking about inside the garage.

[magpie1]

NevadaMom,
I saw AMW Saturday night too. In the scene where the murder of Charla was portrayed, they showed "Darren" taking a large knife out of his back pocket, as you mentioned. What struck me about that portrayal was that they showed it as a premeditated murder - Daren didn't fumble around looking for a weapon, he had the knife already concealed in his back pocket.

Considering that AMW was working with the Reno PD that week, I think they would accurately portray what they and LE believe happened.

I just checked the RGJ website and they said that Darren Mack will be arraigned today, and Mack will remain at the jail with his arraignment done through video.

They've also added charges in regards to the shooting of Judge Weller.


Prosecutors this morning added additional charges against Darren Roy Mack, who already was charged with killing his estranged wife.

The new charges include attempted murder and battery with a deadly weapon. Both charges are related to the shooting of Family Court Judge Chuck Weller.

[TobyTiger]

New charges filed against Mack (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060626/NEWS18/606260350&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews)

The new charges are attempted murder and battery with a deadly weapon. Both charges are related to the shooting of Judge Chuck Weller.

Darren Mack's lawyer said today the entire Washoe District Court and the District Attorney's office must be removed from the case because of a conflict of interest.

[NevadaMom]

Toby, Did you see the video of his court appearance? He was clean shaven and was in his beautiful orange jumpsuit. He talked with his attorney and nodded his head and looked like he was simply at a cocktail party because, after all, he did have choices.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


TobyTiger,
A week ago I too would have doubted Mack would toss the murder weapon out the car window, but now, after seeing that Mack wasn't as clever with planning the murder/escape as I originally thought, he might have tossed it.

The police revealed that they had recovered Charla's cell phone and other items related to the murder scene, but wouldn't elaborate on what those other items were. If those other items were not important to the murder, why not list them?

I wish I could find that article now, for the exact quote. The way that article was worded made me think the police had recovered something important and were withholding that information.

Thanks for the link to the Nevada law page! :)
The article was at FoxNews.com, published 06/16/06: 'On Thursday, search teams found evidence related to Charla Mack's slaying near Interstate 80 in west Reno, but would not disclose what it was, Riglesberger said.'

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Toby, Did you see the video of his court appearance? He was clean shaven and was in his beautiful orange jumpsuit. He talked with his attorney and nodded his head and looked like he was simply at a cocktail party because, after all, he did have choices.
Sorry I missed the video - I'm at work, and just got logged in here a few minutes ago, had to find the newest RGJ article and am trying to catch up on answering posts! :D Will check with krnv.com for video sometime soon...

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


TobyTiger..Did I overlook Murder 2nd Degree or do they not have that in Nevada? (I'm tired and it's much too late to be doing this!) Their mention of the "heat of passion" jumped out at me, almost as if it were written just for DM. I bet his lawyers are eyeballing the Voluntary Manslaughter statutes:

NRS 200.040 “Manslaughter” defined.

1. Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being, without malice express or implied, and without any mixture of deliberation.

2. Manslaughter must be voluntary, upon a sudden heat of passion, caused by a provocation apparently sufficient to make the passion irresistible, or involuntary, in the commission of an unlawful act, or a lawful act without due caution or circumspection.

KIMBERLY
:o
Second degree murder is under NRS 200.030, items #2 & #5. Murder in the second degree is all other kinds of murder (not defined under first degree Murder).

The sheath for the knife was found on the floor of Mack's bedroom closet. The crime occurred in the garage. He would have had to take the knife to the garage prior to Charla's arrival. In addition, he called Osborne on Sunday to arrange for him to be at the condo Monday at 9:00 to take Erika to Joan Mack's house. When Charla arrived with Erika he asked Osborne to take the child upstairs inside the condo. Those are two factors which go to pre-meditation.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Second degree murder is under NRS 200.030, items #2 & #5. Murder in the second degree is all other kinds of murder (not defined under first degree Murder).

The sheath for the knife was found on the floor of Mack's bedroom closet. The crime occurred in the garage. He would have had to take the knife to the garage prior to Charla's arrival. In addition, he called Osborne on Sunday to arrange for him to be at the condo Monday at 9:00 to take Erika to Joan Mack's house. When Charla arrived with Erika he asked Osborne to take the child upstairs inside the condo. Those are two factors which go to pre-meditation.

I wonder what his ruse he used to get Charla out of her car as she dropped Erika off at his condo? I think it had to be something more than her getting Erika's bags out of the car, in order to get Charla near or inside the garage? I suppose he could have quickly pushed or shoved her into the garage?

[NevadaMom]

I wonder if he used the dog in any way to get her to come into the garage. We know the dog was covered in blood, so he was near the stabbing and might have been there the entire time. I don't know if, when DM called his friend Sunday p.m. to ask him to come over at 9 a.m. the following morning to pick up his daughter, if he asked him to bring his dog?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I wonder what his ruse he used to get Charla out of her car as she dropped Erika off at his condo? I think it had to be something more than her getting Erika's bags out of the car, in order to get Charla near or inside the garage? I suppose he could have quickly pushed or shoved her into the garage?
Osborne was probably in the garage when Charla & Erika arrived. Erika got out and Mack told Osborne to take her upstairs, saying that he needed to talk with Charla. Probably told her some lie about having money for her, that he changed his mind and wasn't going to contest the divorce, had agreed to everything she wanted, etc. just to gain her trust? Not knowing what level of communication they were on immediately prior to her murder, all is speculation at this point. :shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
I wonder if he used the dog in any way to get her to come into the garage. We know the dog was covered in blood, so he was near the stabbing and might have been there the entire time. I don't know if, when DM called his friend Sunday p.m. to ask him to come over at 9 a.m. the following morning to pick up his daughter, if he asked him to bring his dog?
I doubt he'd ask Osborne to bring the dog. It seemed the dog was more of a hindrance to his plan than anything else. Yes, I suspect the dog was in the garage when Charla got out of her car. However, I believe the lure could have been that he wanted to talk about their divorce and maybe told her he had money for her, or was dropping the suit for the return of the jewelry, etc. Just speculation!

[TobyTiger]

Mack's lawyer wants case moved out of Washoe Co. (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060626/NEWS18/60626002)

During his initial court appearance Mack's lawyer, Scott Freeman, said he and his client refused to acknowledge the charges against Mack and said he planned to file a motion to removed the District Attorney's office from the case and the case outside of the Washoe District Court System.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by kimberly325


TobyTiger,

I don't feel like he had a plan. His lack of organization and planning don't point to premeditation. If he had planned it, I doubt he'd