Couey trial to be held in Citrus

[Peppermill]

What are the result of that law in Florida?

Is it less raped kids?

Is it less missing kids?

Is it less murdered kids?

Does anyone now if the law worked?

[msgatorslayer]

The Law doesn't go into effect until September 1st.

Matter of fact, todays news is talking about how DOJ is just now testing out the GPS tracking. About a month ago, I remember there was a problem of some sort with the companies that were bidding on the tracking. Don't recall the specifics.

Also, part of this law is schools doing FBI checks on all people who work on school campuses. Last I heard, nobody knew exactly who was going to pay for this.

School just started this week for some Counties and there was a bus stop right next to a sex offender. The School wasn't going to move it until parents called a meeting at the school.:rolleyes:

At yet another school, there was X amount of registered offfenders living to close to a brand new school.

We have a ways to go!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

I cannot find a link at this time, just heard it on the 6pm news.

There is a letter that was found in Couey's cell addressed to Bill O. Couey says that he would give Bill an interview. And that there were at least 3 other peeps in the trailer that night. One of the men knows more than he is saying. (news showed pic of letter)

Toxicology reports are back and there was traces of cocaine in Jessie's system. They said something about natural body fluids had broken down the traces of cocaine and that she more than likely didn't ingest it. That it might have came from the bag she was buried in. Or the test didnt come out right.

Both Couey and Jessie's DNA was found on the matress inside the trailer.

I will post a link when the news stations web site's update later on or tommorrow.

[msgatorslayer]

"New information has surfaced about evidence in the Jessica Lunsford case."

According to the medical examiner, two byproducts of cocaine were found in Lunsford's system during the autopsy. However, a prosecutor in the case says only trace amounts were found, which may be attributed to Lunsford touching something in Couey's bedroom that had cocaine on it.

The prosecutor said the levels found were not consistent with someone being around heavy drug use for several days. That would seem to call into question Couey's claim that he was in a drug haze throughout the rape and murder.

Another document released was a letter written by Couey to Bill O'Reilly from the O'Reilly Factor. In the letter, he said three people were in the house at the time of the crime and one of them knew more than what he was saying. That letter was never mailed and was found in the trash."

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/8/17/113881.html

[msgatorslayer]

Florida schools struggle with Jessica Lunsford Act

"School leaders support the tighter regulations. But they say the plan will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and schools may not
complete all background checks by the September first deadline.

Some builders want their workers exempted from fingerprinting if construction sites are fenced off from school campuses."

http://www.tampabay10.com/aroundthebay/aroundthebay_article.aspx?storyid=17666

[msgatorslayer]

"TV host Bill O'Reilly has repeatedly criticized the law enforcement investigation into Jessica Lunsford's slaying. He's questioned the prosecutors' decision not to charge John Couey's housemates with any crime. He has ridiculed State Attorney Brad King.

Now it's clear someone close to the case has been listening and wants to talk back: John Couey.

Couey, the 46-year-old sex offender accused of kidnapping, sexually assaulting and killing Jessica, heard about O'Reilly and sent him a letter from his jail cell. Fox News spokeswoman Irena Briganti wouldn't discuss the letter's contents, but she confirmed O'Reilly had received mail from the inmate."

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/18/Citrus/Couey_letter_raises_q.shtml

Wow, Couey actually mailed one of the letters.

[msgatorslayer]

"Ridgway said the letter appears to be one from Couey to television talk show host Bill O'Reilly, but that the letter appears to have been thrown out instead of being mailed. No envelope or forwarding address was found.

A producer for O'Reilly's Fox News program, "The O'Reilly Factor," said he had not received the letter, but that O'Reilly would be talking about it on his show tonight."

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2005/08/18/news/news20.txt

Conflicting reports! Bill will be talking about this on his show tonight.

[kathy haas]

God Bless You! Mark Lunsford. Who of us could have the stamina and the courage to stand up for the rights of other children after such a horrific rape and murder of a precious, innocent little 9 year old child. He is an absolute tribute to his little girl, and in being so is doing his best to help other parents not to have to go through such a dreadful and dispicable situation.

[MercedesV]

Originally posted by kathy haas
God Bless You! Mark Lunsford. Who of us could have the stamina and the courage to stand up for the rights of other children after such a horrific rape and murder of a precious, innocent little 9 year old child. He is an absolute tribute to his little girl, and in being so is doing his best to help other parents not to have to go through such a dreadful and dispicable situation.

He is a man, a father, you have to admire. He speaks from his heart and he is determined to make a difference.

This week is bikers week in my town. And I can't see the bikers without thinking about Jessica, without thinking about her dad Mark. The connection is permanent, how they stepped up and cared. jmo

:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

BROOKSVILLE - The man accused of raping and slaying 9- year-old Jessica Marie Lunsford was ordered to undergo sex-offender and substance- abuse counseling related to his earlier conviction on a child- sex charge, but he completed neither, prosecutors said in evidence released Friday.

In another document released Friday, Couey's grandmother wrote in 1980 that he was raised by a father who hated him.

``He was beat and shuffled around ... he had to sleep on the street and eat out of people's garbage,'' the woman wrote in a letter asking a state senator to have Couey transferred to a prison closer to his family in north Florida.

At the time he was serving a 10-year sentence for burglary.

``My grandson has had a hard life and his mind is all warped,'' the woman wrote.

Friday's documents also included chilling photographs of Jessica's makeshift grave"

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBPCJVWYDE.html

:rose:

[both_of_us]

:rose: :rose:

[Mari512002]

Originally posted by both_of_us
:rose: :rose:

I tried to PM you but you pm box was full.

[both_of_us]

Originally posted by Mari512002


I tried to PM you but you pm box was full.

Sorry Mari...all clean now.

[msgatorslayer]

"Five former Citrus County School District employees are barred from the county's campuses after a background check revealed past felony convictions.

Eight others are awaiting further review in an effort to keep children safer at school

The actions are aimed at meeting the intent of the Jessica Lunsford Act"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/10/4/121703.html

It's not mentioned in this link, but on this news program they mentioned crimes that fit under Jessies Bill also included Prostitution.

[Cinnared]

This act should not only be valid in Florida...but in the ENTIRE USA!!!! Our children are our future.... C'mon Dubya... get off your can and do something already before more kids die!!!

[msgatorslayer]

"Authorities have released new documents in the case against John Couey, the man accused of raping and killing 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford in Homosassa Springs in February"

In interviews with investigators in Georgia in March, Couey said he had been charged in the past with exposing himself to a child, and that he thinks he did it because he himself is a rape victim.

The documents released Tuesday also include a confession to investigators of a sex crime more than 10 years ago. That confession took place in Kissimmee, and Couey said he coaxed a small child into playing with him, then exposed himself to her"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/10/11/122940.html

Listening to Couey gives me chills down my spine. Top that off with Joseph Smith also being in the news today and one can actually gag!!!!!

Media should not do that to its viewers, ya know? One at a time is more than enough!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

"The 260 new pages released by prosecutors Tuesday in their capital murder case against John Couey don’t just reveal details about the murder of Jessica Lunsford, but also provide a glimpse into how the 9-year-old girl was starting to grow up."

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2005/10/12/news/news90.txt

"In his tight, neat handwriting, Couey described biblical tales, including a struggle between the angel Michael and the devil. He also sketched several crosses and mused whether humans have guardian angels. He included a joke about a man who gets three wishes. The man's final wish was to make himself appealing to women.

Couey's next scheduled court appearance is 2 p.m. Thursday in Inverness"

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/12/Citrus/More_of_John_Couey_s_.shtml

[Texas-SE]

Originally posted by Cinnared
This act should not only be valid in Florida...but in the ENTIRE USA!!!! Our children are our future.... C'mon Dubya... get off your can and do something already before more kids die!!!

There are several people working to get law passed on federal level. Sen. Orrin Hatch & Ed Smart spoke in favor of federal version of Jessica's law. "Ed Smart, Elizabeth Smart's Father: "When you get to the point where your child is involved in one of those horrendous, outrageous crimes, your whole opinion changes." Here's a link: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=120359

What John Walsh is doing:
http://www.americasmostwanted.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=464&mid=0

and http://www.americasmostwanted.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=356

Write your congressman & senator in Washington, D.C.
:patriot:

[Texas-SE]

The attempt to get federal legislation through may have hit a roadblock in the form of Sen. Kennedy of MA. Sen. Kennedy wants to add a rider to bill attaching hate crime legislation, which may kill bill.

Sen Hatch said,
"It would really interfere with what we're trying to do with the sex offender bill,” said Hatch. “It looks almost like they don't want the sex offender bill at all.” Refering to Sen. Kennedy.

Read entire article: http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3137816

Hope bill dosen't get bogged down in Rep vrs Dem politics, hate crimes bill is important, but dosen't need to be attached in a manner that stops bill on sex offenders, IMO.

[Ladygator]

Documents shed light on Couey polygraph test

"Special Agent Terry Wetmore indicated during a Sept. 27 deposition that test results were so dramatic that he knew Couey wasn’t telling the truth about what he knew. He said he finished the polygraph examination, unhooked Couey from the machine and moved a chair in front of him before speaking."

“I know my opening statement to Mr. Couey was, ‘now we both know the truth,’ ” Wetmore said under deposition. “ ‘You took that little girl.’ ”

“After about 15 to 20 minutes, he said, ‘OK, I did it,’ ” he said. “After that, the first thing actually I said to him is, ‘You can take us to where she is now.’ And he said, ‘Well, she’s right there, she’s by my sister’s steps… .’ ”

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2005/11/10/news/news30.txt

Copyright © 2005, The Citrus County Chronicle

[Ladygator]

"Bay area law enforcement agencies are launching a new computer system today as part of the Jessica Lunsford Act"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/11/14/128689.html

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by Ladygator
"Bay area law enforcement agencies are launching a new computer system today as part of the Jessica Lunsford Act"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/11/14/128689.html :beer: Good news Ladygator!

[Ladygator]

"Plea Deal Unlikely In Couey Case"

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBZOUC8BGE.html

Bet he's been watching the Smith trial,lol

Sick SOB doesn't understand why the media was/is all over this case! Didn't ya know, things like this happen all the time????

[snoopy092668]

"Plea Deal Unlikely In Couey Case"

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBZOUC8BGE.html

Bet he's been watching the Smith trial,lol

Sick SOB doesn't understand why the media was/is all over this case! Didn't ya know, things like this happen all the time????


I agree Ladygator. I pray and pray that a plea is NEVER reached. This is one sick man. Everytime I see Jessie's dad on the TV my heart breaks for him. He deserves justice. IMO

[Ladygator]

Just wanted to say - Your next, Couey!

[both_of_us]

Originally posted by Ladygator
Just wanted to say - Your next, Couey!

Yes he is.

[Chocoholic]

While watching the Joseph Smith trial all I could think of was that Couey will be next and how heartbreaking & horrible it will be for Mark Lunsford.

For Mark Lunsford and his little angel in heaven:rose:

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by Ladygator
Just wanted to say - Your next, Couey! Lady, As usual, great links! Thanks. The information shows that John Couey fell through the cracks(in the system) as a child and then as an adult. I suspect that his trial will go much the same way as Joseph Smith's. Next year at this time they should both be neighbors on Florida's Death Row! Justice for Jesse:rose:

[Ladygator]

"Mark Lunsford is touring the nation to talk about the Jessica Lunsford Act.

The Florida law is named for his daughter Jessica, who was kidnapped from her Citrus County home and killed earlier this year.

Lunsford has been to New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Kentucky to try to get states to pass their own version of the Lunsford Act"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/12/11/133353.html

[Ladygator]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PROPROS
Lady, As usual, great links! Thanks. The information shows that John Couey fell through the cracks(in the system) as a child and then as an adult. I suspect that his trial will go much the same way as Joseph Smith's. Next year at this time they should both be neighbors on Florida's Death Row! Justice for Jesse:rose: [/QUOTE

YW, Propros.

No link as of yet, per local news, more documents in the case were released today.

Most notably, a long letter that Couey wrote to the Judge that handled his charge back in the 90's.

Couey asks for help, and says something about the devil making him do it.:rolleyes:

The letter was shown on the news and I hope to see more about it in tommorrows paper.

[Ladygator]

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=22560

AP article

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by Ladygator
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=22560

AP article So, even though his family "knew" he was a repeat offender, they continued to want "good ole John" around to get high with! How many other children in the Couey/Secord family have been abused? Even though,these links infuriate me, I thank for posting them Lady.

[Ladygator]

Originally posted by PROPROS
So, even though his family "knew" he was a repeat offender, they continued to want "good ole John" around to get high with! How many other children in the Couey/Secord family have been abused? Even though,these links infuriate me, I thank for posting them Lady.

I believe I would continue to love and support a family member, even if he/she was a pedi, however, I would never trust that person around children.

But drugs can do some strange things to people, including turning your back, or just not caring.

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by Ladygator


I believe I would continue to love and support a family member, even if he/she was a pedi, however, I would never trust that person around children.

But drugs can do some strange things to people, including turning your back, or just not caring. Lady, I do know something about supporting family members. I have 2 BIL doing LWOP in Pelican Bay State Prison here in California (not pedi) however, they did receive the 3rd strike. The thing that upsets me is the fact that I never quite bought the story that the Couey 3 were completely innocent in regards to Jessica. I suppose the trial will bring out all the gruesome facts. Keep posting the great links,I look forward to them.

[Ladygator]

Originally posted by PROPROS
Lady, I do know something about supporting family members. I have 2 BIL doing LWOP in Pelican Bay State Prison here in California (not pedi) however, they did receive the 3rd strike. The thing that upsets me is the fact that I never quite bought the story that the Couey 3 were completely innocent in regards to Jessica. I suppose the trial will bring out all the gruesome facts. Keep posting the great links,I look forward to them.

Sorry to hear that, Propros. It must be difficult dealing with the emotions of a loved one in prison; especially, for life. My neighbors Father is serving 12 years for manslaughter. He was more than a 3 striker. Mainly, he was a scam artist and bad check writer, and would constantly violate his probation.

One night he was riding his motorcycle, with his GF on the back, he didn't make a complete stop, cop tried pulling him over, he speed off, wrecked, and killed his GF. He had a warrant out for his arrest.

While my neighbor wasn't exactly close to his Dad, he has came crying on Mr.Gator's shoulder numerous times over the way his Dad chose to live his life.

My main reason for coming here tonight is that something happened with Couey today. But Teen Gator came in and spoke at the wrong time so I didn't hear the report completely.

Something about a status hearing, his Lawyers filed something, and I think a possible delay in the trial. Hope to hear the report again at 11pm.

[Ladygator]

"There was a status conference Wednesday in the John Couey case.

The attorneys asked the court to set a cutoff date to exchange the lists of witnesses, and to schedule the date for pretrial motions to be filed."

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/12/21/135121.html

[Ladygator]

"Homosassa, Florida- Pictures of Jessica Lunsford sit under the family tree. This is the first Christmas her father will have to spend without her."

VIDEO STORY

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=22859

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by Ladygator
"Homosassa, Florida- Pictures of Jessica Lunsford sit under the family tree. This is the first Christmas her father will have to spend without her."

VIDEO STORY

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=22859 Thanks for the links. I saw a video of Couey this evening. He was clean shaven and looked "cleaner". On the contrary, Mark Lunsford looks so tired. I was thinking this morning how hard this first Christmas would be for Mark and his family. Unfortunately, there will always be people that throw their lives away and hurt others along with themselves. I am glad to hear that the prosecution is pushing to get JC to trial. On a lighter note, I hope that you and all your "gators" have a great holiday. :seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

There was a quick blurb on the news tonight about a status hearing that took place today. Sorry - no link that I can find, ATM.

Nothing major - just that the State turned over some of their Forensic testing results to the Defense and that the Public Defender has a large work-load and is trying his hardest to be prepared in time for Couey's trial - but might need more time.

[msgatorslayer]

"New documents released by the state attorney's office revealed John Couey's aunt told investigators she noticed signs of trouble when Couey was a boy"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/2/13/143876.html

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[amy_gbb]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
"New documents released by the state attorney's office revealed John Couey's aunt told investigators she noticed signs of trouble when Couey was a boy"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/2/13/143876.html

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Thanks for keeping watch, msgatorslayer. You may remember from the Carlie and ISP boards that I don't post much, but I read every day and appreciate you keeping me up to speed.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by amy_gbb


Thanks for keeping watch, msgatorslayer. You may remember from the Carlie and ISP boards that I don't post much, but I read every day and appreciate you keeping me up to speed.

Of course I remember you Amy.:seeya: Nice to see every now and then.

No need to thank me. I don't go out of my way to look for new information I just hear about it on my local news and then look for a link.

Matter of fact, I've been unfortanate enough to wake up in the morning and see not only Couey's mug on the news, but Smith, and Onstott as well. To much info for one day. It really creeps me out cause I wonder if they are similar to serial killers wondering who is the "best". Like a competition!

Which leads me to the reason I'm here today.

This weekend is the last for the Florida State Fair. My, how time goes by. Jessica has been gone for a year on the 23rd of this month.

Jessica:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

It's been 1 year!

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[msgatorslayer]

"Living To Instill Jessie's Legacy"

http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBX6W1K0KE.html

[protectkidz]

For Jessie :rose:

[nikkimal]

God bless you Mark - what a year you have endured.

:rose: Jessica :rose:

[msgatorslayer]

"Although she’s been gone a year, Ruth and Archie Lunsford still see their granddaughter, Jessica, everywhere"

http://www.chronicleonline.com/

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The 1st Annual Jessica Marie Lunsford bike ride will take place on Saturday. Per local news.

[msgatorslayer]

"HOMOSASSA - It was a year ago this morning that the Lunsford family's lives forever changed, and this quiet community lost its sense of security"

By ABBIE VANSICKLE
Published February 24, 2006

2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/24/Citrus/A_year_later__Jessica.shtml

[PROPROS]

Jesse,you are forever in our hearts and memories.:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

"Citrus County, Florida - She was the little girl who captured America’s heart and stole Sheriff Jeff Dawsy's with her smile"

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=26205

Video link interview with Dawsy

[msgatorslayer]

"The Jessica Lunsford Foundation may have at least another $10,000 toward promoting child safety, crime prevention and criminal tracking.

That's after hundreds of bikers left New Port Richey at noon Saturday on a trek to Citrus County where the 9-year-old Lunsford was killed last February.

With a Pasco County Sheriff's escort, more than 1,000 bikers raised money for the organization that lobbies for stricter laws against sexual criminals and tougher measures to protect children from them"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/2/25/145804.html

:beer:

[msgatorslayer]

"BROOKSVILLE - An overheard conversation prompted John Evander Couey, accused of raping and killing 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford early last year, to admit the crime to a jail guard, interview transcripts released Thursday reveal"

By JIM TUNSTALL jtunstall@tampatrib.com

Published: Mar 31, 2006

http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBIV3TXFLE.html

©2006 Media General Inc. All Rights Reserved

[msgatorslayer]

"On Saturday, Richardson directed her biggest endeavor yet: a run/walk in memory of the girl from Citrus County whose smiling face beneath a fuzzy purple hat had been flashed across television screens across the nation.

"I'm fed up," Richardson said of child abductions. "I'm fed up enough to do something about it. I can't stand it anymore."

Almost 300 people turned out for the inaugural Jessica Lunsford Run, a 5-mile run/1-mile walk along Bayshore Boulevard that took place under a cloudless blue sky."

By DONG-PHUONG NGUYEN, Times Staff Writer
Published April 2, 2006

© 2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/02/Tampabay/Race_serves_as_memori.shtml

[amy_gbb]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
"BROOKSVILLE - An overheard conversation prompted John Evander Couey, accused of raping and killing 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford early last year, to admit the crime to a jail guard, interview transcripts released Thursday reveal"

By JIM TUNSTALL jtunstall@tampatrib.com

Published: Mar 31, 2006

http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBIV3TXFLE.html

©2006 Media General Inc. All Rights Reserved
The article doesn't say whether the prosecution accepts the plea deal. IMO, they have enought evidence to not accept it.

And I'm soooo sorry his lil feelins got hurt :rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by amy_gbb

The article doesn't say whether the prosecution accepts the plea deal. IMO, they have enought evidence to not accept it.

And I'm soooo sorry his lil feelins got hurt :rolleyes:

I don't see any reason for them to accept it. It's a slam dunk case and a sure winner for the DP. The community would be outraged if Couey was allowed LWOP.

"Public defenders have until today to file a change of venue motion for John Couey.

The motion is expected to argue pre-trial publicity will prevent Couey from getting a fair trial in Citrus County"

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

http://baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/17/154230.html

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer


I don't see any reason for them to accept it. It's a slam dunk case and a sure winner for the DP. The community would be outraged if Couey was allowed LWOP.

"Public defenders have until today to file a change of venue motion for John Couey.

The motion is expected to argue pre-trial publicity will prevent Couey from getting a fair trial in Citrus County"

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

http://baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/17/154230.html Hello Ms. Gator. :seeya: Thanks for the info on Couey. Change of venue or not,John Couey is going down the same path as Joseph Smith and rightly so! imo

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by PROPROS
Hello Ms. Gator. :seeya: Thanks for the info on Couey. Change of venue or not,John Couey is going down the same path as Joseph Smith and rightly so! imo

Hi, PROPOS:seeya:

Agreed. The PD will file the motion by court closing today to insure that he has done his job properly. And then the Judge will kindly deny it.

Speaking of Smith, I was watching HBO's show "Big Love" lastnight and learned that a Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon church and a polygamist. Just a lil FYI. :D

[msgatorslayer]

AP article about the Jessica Lunsford act going back to the house for some tweaking.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=28909

[msgatorslayer]

"Public defenders filed a change of venue motion Monday in John Couey's trial.

The motion argues pre-trial publicity will prevent Couey from getting a fair trial in Citrus County. Our partner, the Citrus County Chronicle, reports Lake County could be a possible alternative.

Couey's trial, which is expected to start July 10, should last about three weeks."

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

http://baynews9.com/content/36/2006/4/17/154230.html

Nothing listed on the Citrus County Chronicle, ATM.

[msgatorslayer]

"Howard scheduled a status conference for 2 p.m. Friday in anticipation of the motion being filed."

"Reached at his Brooksville office Monday morning, Assistant State Attorney Pete Magrino — one of two prosecutors handling the case — said he conceded changing the trial location is necessary.

“Certainly, given the tragic set of circumstances surrounding Jessica Lunsford’s disappearance and murder, and the impact it has had on the Citrus County community,” he said, “I would be hard pressed to find members of the (community) who haven’t been impacted by her death and will be able to be a legally fair and impartial juror.”"

:eek:

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2006/04/18/news/news10.txt

Copyright © 2006, The Citrus County Chronicle
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[msgatorslayer]

"In a change of venue motion filed Monday in Citrus County Circuit Court, a public defender argued that Couey would not be able to get a fair trial in Citrus due to the "extraordinary and pervasive publicity" the case has received.

"The pretrial publicity and particular community reaction to the ... case is so great that (an) attempt to obtain impartial jurors in Citrus County would be futile," Assistant Public Defender Daniel Lewan wrote.

Transcripts of Couey's alleged confessions were "unlawfully released to the media and have received extensive publicity," the motion said.

And the confession "may have been illegally obtained and therefore, not admissible as evidence in the trial," he wrote"

By CATHERINE E. SHOICHET
Published April 18, 2006

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/18/Citrus/Couey_wants_trial_mov.shtml

© 2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Does it really matter in the US they move that trial- the whole state of FLORIDA and GA were directly impacted by Couey's actions? And the Nation held out for that little nine year old snatched from her own bed in the middle of the night to find her way safely home.

So I fail to find any merit in the attorney's assertion that only the people of Citrus County was affected. THIS WHOLE COUNTRY WAS AFFECTED by what this monster did to little Jessie.

:flamemad:

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Does it really matter in the US they move that trial- the whole state of FLORIDA and GA were directly impacted by Couey's actions? And the Nation held out for that little nine year old snatched from her own bed in the middle of the night to find her way safely home.

So I fail to find any merit in the attorney's assertion that only the people of Citrus County was affected. THIS WHOLE COUNTRY WAS AFFECTED by what this monster did to little Jessie.

:flamemad:

:beer: Tell it like it is!!!!

I would be very difficult to find a Jury that hasn't heard of the little girl in pink hat.

[msgatorslayer]

"A Citrus County judge granted a motion for a change of venue in the John Couey case Friday."

"It is unknown about where the trial will take place"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/74/2006/4/21/154956.html

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

[msgatorslayer]

Crow is what's for dinner tonight, at the Gator shack.

I can't believe the Judge granted the change of venue. I really didn't think that would happen.

:D

[msgatorslayer]

News anchor is saying that the PD cited the publicity that the case has received, all the people in the area that helped search for Jessie, and that the area is rural.

He seems to think that it can be moved anywhere within our 7 County viewing area OR a Jury can be picked from these areas and bused into Citrus.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

I am just shocked that they are moving it outside of Citrus. I think the GOOD PEOPLE OF CITRUS DESERVE TO HEAR THIS CASE.

That being said, I am confident that it could be moved to ALASKA and the verdict will be the same!

I will never forget that news channel footage from Savannah - the crew was there doing a completely separate story and they captured John Couey on film chugging a beer and laughing it up ---

after he did unspeakable things to little 9 year old Jessie and buried her alive under those trailer steps.

:flamemad: :flamemad:

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
Crow is what's for dinner tonight, at the Gator shack.

I can't believe the Judge granted the change of venue. I really didn't think that would happen.

:D

You know MsGator --

I really thought the cahgne of venue would NOT be granted.

Really can't understand why it is? But I remain stoic that no matter where they have that trial, John Couey will be held accountable for his evil choices.

Please let us know as soon as the Judge decides whether he is going to bus a jury in, or where he is going to have the trial take place.

With all the Lunsfords have had to endure, I find the Judge's decision repugnant.

Tell me, does FLORIDA have something in place to offray the costs Victims must endure when a Judge moves a trial? To help pay for hotel/apartment near where the trial is forced to occur? Or the transportation costs to get back and forth. There are also the costs of meals since this Judge might be in the process of forcing the Lunsfords to eat out instead of at their own home!

I am so disappointed with this decision.

[msgatorslayer]

"As a row of news cameras recorded the scene in the courtroom Friday afternoon, a judge agreed the capital murder trial for John Couey should be moved from Citrus County because of “extensive publicity.”"

By Dave Pieklik

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2006/04/22/news/news10.txt

Copyright © 2006, The Citrus County Chronicle

The more I think it about, it really does make sense that Judge moved it. There was way more coverage of this case than there was that of Carlie Brucia because it took 3 weeks to find Jessie.

Mark and family pulled the community together with their meetings, they where constantly on the news. This case received more Sheriff NC's.

The whole Bay area had non-stop coverage of this case.

I just wonder IF and HOW this decision might play into the appeal process of Smith who also asked for his trial to be moved and it was denied. Not gonna make any more uneducated guesses with comparing 2 seperate cases, but it's one of the first things that came to mind when I heard about this.

I don't know anything about costs, Matthew, but in this article that I posted, it says that it would be more convenient to have the Jury travel than it would for all the witnesses, who live in Citrus County.

Wait and see!!!

[msgatorslayer]

"In picking a new location, state statutes say the court "shall give priority to any county which closely resembles the demographic composition of the county wherein the original venue would lie."

According to the 2000 census, Citrus is 95 percent white, with 32 percent of residents older than 65.

Ridgway said the judge will have to weigh more practical considerations. If the proceedings are moved, for example, the receiving county will need a large enough court facility with adequate security. And in order to fly in out-of-state witnesses, he said, it's important to have an airport nearby"

If media coverage is the driving force behind relocating the trial or finding a new jury pool, Ridgway said the judge will look outside the Tampa Bay media market"

"There's a very good chance that it (a new location) will not be announced until almost immediately before the trial," Ridgway said, to prevent excessive media coverage in the new location

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/22/Citrus/Couey_is_granted_a_ch.shtml

By CATHERINE E. SHOICHET
Published April 22, 2006

© 2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Tell me, does FLORIDA have something in place to offray the costs Victims must endure when a Judge moves a trial? To help pay for hotel/apartment near where the trial is forced to occur? Or the transportation costs to get back and forth. There are also the costs of meals since this Judge might be in the process of forcing the Lunsfords to eat out instead of at their own home!

I am so disappointed with this decision.

SNIP

Found the answer after reading more,lol.

"Ridgway said Friday that bringing an outside jury to Citrus would be easier on witnesses, who mostly live in the county.

That method worked well in a 1995 murder trial of Edwin Bernard "Mike" Kaprat III, Ridgway said.

In that case - the second of five murders with which Kaprat was charged - a 14-person jury was selected in Lake County and brought to Hernando for the trial.

That meant Hernando had to pay only the costs of sequestering the jurors, rather than the cost of housing the judge, clerks, lawyers and witnesses."

By CATHERINE E. SHOICHET
Published April 22, 2006

© 2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/04/22/Citrus/Couey_is_granted_a_ch.shtml

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
"As a row of news cameras recorded the scene in the courtroom Friday afternoon, a judge agreed the capital murder trial for John Couey should be moved from Citrus County because of “extensive publicity.”"

By Dave Pieklik

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2006/04/22/news/news10.txt

Copyright © 2006, The Citrus County Chronicle

The more I think it about, it really does make sense that Judge moved it. There was way more coverage of this case than there was that of Carlie Brucia because it took 3 weeks to find Jessie.

Mark and family pulled the community together with their meetings, they where constantly on the news. This case received more Sheriff NC's.

The whole Bay area had non-stop coverage of this case.

I just wonder IF and HOW this decision might play into the appeal process of Smith who also asked for his trial to be moved and it was denied. Not gonna make any more uneducated guesses with comparing 2 seperate cases, but it's one of the first things that came to mind when I heard about this.

I don't know anything about costs, Matthew, but in this article that I posted, it says that it would be more convenient to have the Jury travel than it would for all the witnesses, who live in Citrus County.

Wait and see!!!

AND PRAY!

Thanks Ms. Gator!

[Mashey46]

April 24, 2006, the perp in the Jessica Lunsford case will go to trial July 11, 2006.

[protectkidz]

www.teamjessie.org

[protectkidz]

Hey guys:

Does anyone know if Courttv is going to cover this trial??

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by protectkidz
Hey guys:

Does anyone know if Courttv is going to cover this trial??

In Florida, clear evidence must be presented as to why camera's cannot be in the court room. They are in all of our Courts and everything it taped on a daily basis is taped. That is why you see CTV air lots of Florida trials. They are very easy to air. Florida and only 4 other States are like this.

That being said, it wasn't mentioned until maybe a month before the Smith trial that CTV would be covering it.

[spclady28]

I hate to be the one to say this but the stupidest thing the judge did was change the venue for this case. I will tell you why I didnt even know about this case until I came in here, so my point is that if we have never heard of this case there may be reasonable doudt if we can not see all the evidence. I think this monster should hang for what he has done. I see this little girl and I cry she could be my little girl. Our children are the greatest gift in this world and I do not know what I would do if that ever happened to one of mine. I am going to go kiss my babies and thank my lucky stars I have them. May god bless her daddy and keep him strong. jmo:rose:

[protectkidz]

spclady:

I can assure you that the State has enough evidence to be sure that John Couey will be convicted and receive a death sentence. No problem.

Sad, though, that the people of Citrus County who searched for days for Jessica aren't going to have the opportunity to hand down that verdict.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by Peppermill
What are the result of that law in Florida?

Is it less raped kids?

Is it less missing kids?

Is it less murdered kids?

Does anyone now if the law worked?

I'd say that it didn't work, Peppermill. Granted, I know the law is for 'certain' crimes, but as I drink my coffee this morning and read this, I must be dreaming that I live in Florida.

Thought we got tough on offenders all the way around!!!

"A Lakeland teen who was arrested in April 2005 on charges he sexually abused children at his mother's home day care center was spared prison time Monday.

A judge sentenced 19-year-old Antoin Barber to a year of house arrest followed by 12 years' probation as part of a plea deal. He has to serve that house arrest in his mother's home, the same home where she had been operating the day care"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/5/9/157998.html

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

This one must be to ugly to go to prison.:shrug:

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer


I'd say that it didn't work, Peppermill. Granted, I know the law is for 'certain' crimes, but as I drink my coffee this morning and read this, I must be dreaming that I live in Florida.

Thought we got tough on offenders all the way around!!!

"A Lakeland teen who was arrested in April 2005 on charges he sexually abused children at his mother's home day care center was spared prison time Monday.

A judge sentenced 19-year-old Antoin Barber to a year of house arrest followed by 12 years' probation as part of a plea deal. He has to serve that house arrest in his mother's home, the same home where she had been operating the day care"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/5/9/157998.html

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

This one must be to ugly to go to prison.:shrug: All I can do is shake my head! It's sentencing like this that keeps giving the "perps" the chance to continue their sick behavior. What the heck was going on in that courtroom? Gee! Why, even bothering giving him any sentence! I would bet he doesn't even make it to 3 years without violating his probation. Sad,really sad....

[msgatorslayer]

"INVERNESS - The attorney for John Couey is asking a judge to suppress Couey's verbal admissions and all the physical evidence obtained from them and from the body of Jessica Lunsford.

The motion says two Citrus sheriff's detectives violated Couey's rights by not allowing him to see a lawyer after he repeatedly asked for one during interrogations and a polygraph exam."

By JORGE SANCHEZ, Times Staff Writer
Published May 16, 2006

© 2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/16/Citrus/Exclude_Couey_s_confe.shtml

[msgatorslayer]

"In a pretrial hearing that lasted less than 15 minutes Friday, Circuit Judge Ric Howard set a June 23 hearing date for the public defender's motion to suppress Couey's verbal admissions and all the physical evidence obtained from them. On June 30, he will hear arguments in the more than 50 other motions Couey's attorney filed last week. Assistant Public Defender Daniel Lewan, who is representing Couey, told the judge his office was struggling to meet pretrial deadlines in the case"

Last week Lewan filed the motion to suppress Couey's verbal admissions, arguing that two Citrus sheriff's detectives violated Couey's rights by not allowing him to see a lawyer after he repeatedly asked for one during interrogations and a polygraph exam in March 2005.

But in a meeting with reporters after Friday's hearing, Assistant State Attorney Pete Magrino said the motion was "not legally sufficient" because it did not adequately explain the factual basis for the motion or the legal reasoning behind it.

Howard has scheduled a hearing for 1:30 p.m. June 5 to address that issue.

At that hearing, attorneys also will hash out another motion filed by the Public Defender's Office asking the judge to close pretrial hearings to the media. An attorney representing the Tampa Tribune has filed a motion to intervene

By CATHERINE E. SHOICHET
Published May 20, 2006

© 2006 • All Rights Reserved • St. Petersburg Times
490 First Avenue South • St. Petersburg, FL 33701 • 727-893-8111

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/20/Citrus/Couey_case_remains_on.shtml

[Dingy B Good]

I just heard that it is very possible this murderer may go free because of a mistake made by a police officer?

Has anyone else heard about this?

I am telling you, if this man goes free for what he did. I hope someone makes him suffer the EXACT same way he made little Jessica Lunsford suffer.


:cuss:

[LisaM22]

this is really sad that these cops did this, this man should never go free, when people ask for a lawyer, that is no joke, and because these cops ignored his request (not just once it sounds like) they may be responsible for this man going free :no: was this standard procedure for them? why would they do this?

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/16/Tampabay/Lawyer__Toss_out_Coue.shtml

lets just hope they have enough without his confession to put him away - jmho

[FrankieBones]

That was a typical Fox teaser last night.
His lawyer is trying to get evidence tossed out. Typical defense lawyer, in my opinion.

[Dingy B Good]

I hope it's just a defense thing as usual. I heard Mickey Shirman say he had a real good chance of getting off if this is true.

I admit I did not hear all of what was said about it. I just heard he may go free and because of a mistake made by an officer & I was like What??? OMG..

That piece of garbage should never see the light of day again and he may go free? UHGGGGG

[elroh6]

Originally posted by Dingy B Good
I just heard that it is very possible this murderer may go free because of a mistake made by a police officer?

Has anyone else heard about this?

I am telling you, if this man goes free for what he did. I hope someone makes him suffer the EXACT same way he made little Jessica Lunsford suffer.


:cuss: I'm usually defense oriented, but I think this guy should FRY. I'll be physically sick if a technicality favors him.

[Katt2]

I cannot believe any judge in his right mind would let this man walk free to do this all over again to another innocent child. I cannot believe any defense attorney in his right mind would even want him on the streets again. I know it is their job to defend their clients to the best of their ability but I find something seriously wrong with that stance in this case.

[JudyBee]

I remember shortly after Couey's arrest there was some talk that his confession would be tossed. I just have to believe they have enough evidence w/o the confession. I mean, the location of the body is a major piece of evidence. Hopefully they didn't neglect to gather forensic evidence due to the confession.

[warhorse46]

Originally posted by Dingy B Good
I just heard that it is very possible this murderer may go free because of a mistake made by a police officer?

Has anyone else heard about this?

I am telling you, if this man goes free for what he did. I hope someone makes him suffer the EXACT same way he made little Jessica Lunsford suffer.


:cuss:


As distasteful as the thought of this child molester/murderer being set free because of a police screw up that would be correct under our laws. And the laws apply to everyone. The officers made a huge blunder when they did not stop the interview immediately & get him a lawyer the second he asked for one. They should be disciplined harshly, that is police 101, very basic stuff every officer knows.

[SteelerFan]

Law and Order and learn the rules, since they didn't seem to get it at the Police Academy. I sure do hope they have other evidence that will stand up because if he asked for counsel and it was refused, then the confession should be tossed. The thought of this vermin getting out mortifies me as much as the next person, but this is the legal process which we must follow. And as for a defense attorney not wanting him out, do you think Johnnie Cochran and the rest of the "dream team" lost any sleep over the verdict? Not of your life!!!

[warhorse46]

Originally posted by Katt2
I cannot believe any judge in his right mind would let this man walk free to do this all over again to another innocent child. I cannot believe any defense attorney in his right mind would even want him on the streets again. I know it is their job to defend their clients to the best of their ability but I find something seriously wrong with that stance in this case.


The job of defense lawyers & Judges are to see that laws are followed & applied fairly to everyone & that inculdes the likes of Couey. We cannot pick & choose who laws apply too. Yes a Judge would toss out the charges if he/she found they were based on unlawful means. It has happened before & unfortunately will probably happen again. Unlawful tactics of gaining a confession is very firm grounds to get charges dismissed & if a trial does go forward & the confession is used it is VERY firm grounds for appeals to over turn a guilty verdict.

[Tig]

Originally posted by LisaM22
this is really sad that these cops did this, this man should never go free, when people ask for a lawyer, that is no joke, and because these cops ignored his request (not just once it sounds like) they may be responsible for this man going free :no: was this standard procedure for them? why would they do this?

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/16/Tampabay/Lawyer__Toss_out_Coue.shtml

lets just hope they have enough without his confession to put him away - jmho

Oh I so agree with you. And what can be done about two detectives, Detectives Scott Grace and Gary Atchison, who apparently have their own rules and agenda. I don't know of anyone who doesn't know the "ask for a lawyer" rule, especially those in law enforcement. If he gets off, it will be thanks to these two bozo's. :mad: Losing their job won't be enough for their deliberate actions. Sad...

I can only hope, as you do, that there is enough without what will be thrown out, in all probability.

-IMO-
Peace

[White Dove]

Couey that scrumbag should fry.:cuss: :flamemad:

[Tig]

Originally posted by White Dove
Couey that scrumbag should fry.:cuss: :flamemad:

I can only add one thing to your post. Sloowly, very slooooowly.

-IMO-
Peace

EDit: That is my anger and disgust talking. I could not give anyone such a death, not even this scumbag. But death, yes, he does deserve that.

[warhorse46]

Originally posted by Tig


Oh I so agree with you. And what can be done about two detectives, Detectives Scott Grace and Gary Atchison, who apparently have their own rules and agenda. I don't know of anyone who doesn't know the "ask for a lawyer" rule, especially those in law enforcement. If he gets off, it will be thanks to these two bozo's. :mad: Losing their job won't be enough for their deliberate actions. Sad...

I can only hope, as you do, that there is enough without what will be thrown out, in all probability.

-IMO-
Peace


I agree. Our anger & outrage should be directed toward the two officers who deliberately chose to violate Federal laws & endanger the very people they swore to serve & protect rather than @ Judges & defense lawyers, IMO.

[White Dove]

Originally posted by Tig


I can only add one thing to your post. Sloowly, very slooooowly.

-IMO-
Peace

EDit: That is my anger and disgust talking. I could not give anyone such a death, not even this scumbag. But death, yes, he does deserve that.


Yes you are right he needs a needle
in his arm.....That's too good for him.
He needs alot of pain......:flamemad:
For Jessica :rose:

[warhorse46]

Originally posted by White Dove



Yes you are right he needs a needle
in his arm.....That's too good for him.
He needs alot of pain......:flamemad:
For Jessica :rose:


I have a very narrow opinion of who deserves the death penalty but Couey falls right square @ the top of my list of criminals who should die for their crimes. IMO the sooner the better, this earth would be a better place without him.

[White Dove]

Originally posted by warhorse46



I have a very narrow opinion of who deserves the death penalty but Couey falls right square @ the top of my list of criminals who should die for their crimes. IMO the sooner the better, this earth would be a better place without him.


Amen to that. I guess you can see it
angers me very much.

[Tig]

Originally posted by White Dove



Amen to that. I guess you can see it
angers me very much.

When I think of what he did to little Jessica, I have to stop and turn my thoughts away. So despicable, disgusting, too horrible for me to dwell on.

:( For Jesica: :rose:
*
*

-IMO-
Peace

[Not Telling]

One legal doctrine likely to come into play, several experts said, is the "fruit of a poisonous tree."

That means evidence gathered from a tainted confession is also tainted.

In this case, that would include details Couey disclosed, including the location of Jessica's body, said Joe Little, a constitutional law professor at the University of Florida.

"Once he's asked for an attorney, he's entitled to have them back off and stop questioning," Little said. "That could have a major bearing on whether or not any of the evidence thereafter obtained is admissible."

Chief Assistant State Attorney Ric Ridgway said if the confession is thrown out, the finding of Jessica's body still would be admissible under the doctrine of "inevitable discovery," which means that investigators would have found the body eventually, even without Couey's help.

"The regular investigative techniques would have led them to the body," he said. "(Couey's) directing them to it just shortcutted it."

By the time Couey was interviewed, investigators already had searched his mobile home and found a mattress stained with blood, prosecutors say. Ridgway said they eventually would have found Jessica's body, which was buried in a shallow grave behind Couey's mobile home.

Largo defense attorney John Trevena, however, predicted prosecutors would have difficulty arguing that the body would have been found anyway because it was underground.

Without the confession, the case likely would rely on the mattress and other physical evidence, as well as witnesses and whatever else prosecutors can get into court, Ridgway said.


Jury may not hear confession.. (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/06/25/Citrus/Jury_may_not_hear_Cou.shtml)




Couey should be praying 24/7 to be kept in solitary and not set free...


Otherwise...


Where in this country could he go and live safely?

How long do you think he would live once he was kicked out the doors of the jail??


I hope Mark Lunsford would be there waiting to give him a ride "out of town"....

jmo

[oldschool]

Originally posted by Not Telling
One legal doctrine likely to come into play, several experts said, is the "fruit of a poisonous tree."

That means evidence gathered from a tainted confession is also tainted.

In this case, that would include details Couey disclosed, including the location of Jessica's body, said Joe Little, a constitutional law professor at the University of Florida.

"Once he's asked for an attorney, he's entitled to have them back off and stop questioning," Little said. "That could have a major bearing on whether or not any of the evidence thereafter obtained is admissible."

Chief Assistant State Attorney Ric Ridgway said if the confession is thrown out, the finding of Jessica's body still would be admissible under the doctrine of "inevitable discovery," which means that investigators would have found the body eventually, even without Couey's help.

"The regular investigative techniques would have led them to the body," he said. "(Couey's) directing them to it just shortcutted it."

By the time Couey was interviewed, investigators already had searched his mobile home and found a mattress stained with blood, prosecutors say. Ridgway said they eventually would have found Jessica's body, which was buried in a shallow grave behind Couey's mobile home.

Largo defense attorney John Trevena, however, predicted prosecutors would have difficulty arguing that the body would have been found anyway because it was underground.

Without the confession, the case likely would rely on the mattress and other physical evidence, as well as witnesses and whatever else prosecutors can get into court, Ridgway said.


Jury may not hear confession.. (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/06/25/Citrus/Jury_may_not_hear_Cou.shtml)




Couey should be praying 24/7 to be kept in solitary and not set free...


Otherwise...


Where in this country could he go and live safely?

How long do you think he would live once he was kicked out the doors of the jail??


I hope Mark Lunsford would be there waiting to give him a ride "out of town"....

jmo

I would drive for Mark Lunsford so he would not have to worry about distractions like other cars on the road and what have you.

[JudyBee]

Originally posted by warhorse46



I agree. Our anger & outrage should be directed toward the two officers who deliberately chose to violate Federal laws & endanger the very people they swore to serve & protect rather than @ Judges & defense lawyers, IMO. Before we string up these officers, maybe we should remember that Jessica was still missing at the time of the Couey interrogation. Perhaps their first priority at that time was finding Jessica (hopefully alive, but finding her remains if not) not building a case against Couey.

It wasn't until Couey's confession that they knew where to find poor little Jessica...and finding her was very important for her family and for clearing the good names of her dad, grandfather and all the extended family. Remember how badly the entire family was bashed and accused of molesting and killing little Jessica themselves.

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by JudyBee
Before we string up these officers, maybe we should remember that Jessica was still missing at the time of the Couey interrogation. Perhaps their first priority at that time was finding Jessica (hopefully alive, but finding her remains if not) not building a case against Couey.

It wasn't until Couey's confession that they knew where to find poor little Jessica...and finding her was very important for her family and for clearing the good names of her dad, grandfather and all the extended family. Remember how badly the entire family was bashed and accused of molesting and killing little Jessica themselves.

you bring up a good point, that is probably why they did it, and were willing to take the risks in court later in order to try and save this little girls life.

I mean if they were really renegade cops that just didn't follow the rules, they would of not of only ignored his request for a lawyer, but not documented his request either, and the fact that they documented it, meant they were willing to let it be known what they did, and it was worth the risk at the time, as that little girls life was worth that risk, sadly he had already killed her (do I need to say allegedly), ok, just in case....make that he allegedly killed her - jmho

[JudyBee]

Originally posted by LisaM22


you bring up a good point, that is probably why they did it, and were willing to take the risks in court later in order to try and save this little girls life.

I mean if they were really renegade cops that just didn't follow the rules, they would of not of only ignored his request for a lawyer, but not documented his request either, and the fact that they documented it, meant they were willing to let it be known what they did, and it was worth the risk at the time, as that little girls life was worth that risk, sadly he had already killed her (do I need to say allegedly), ok, just in case....make that he allegedly killed her - jmho No alleged about it IMO. Whether the confession stands or not, Couey is a scum of the earth, pedophile, child killing POS.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by warhorse46



I have a very narrow opinion of who deserves the death penalty but Couey falls right square @ the top of my list of criminals who should die for their crimes. IMO the sooner the better, this earth would be a better place without him.

As I read through this thread - I had to agree with warhorse46 about possible mistakes the police made.

This was the first case, the very first in my life where I had a strong opinion for the DEATH PENALTY.

What he did... How I hope this EVIL does not use principals designed to help protect the innocent and keep the system fair to go free...

The whole prospect of this occuring has unsettled me this morning.

:(

[TuscanDreams]

I only believe the death penalty should be applied when a truly heinous crime occurred. Couey committed an atrocity and he's a repeat offender.

Prison is for rehabilitation.

Deathrow is for people who can't be rehabbed, just like Couey.

[msgatorslayer]

"Our newspaper partner, the Citrus County Chronicle, is reporting a twist in the John Couey murder case.

All indications are the upcoming trial will stay in Citrus County, despite Judge Richard Howard granting a change of venue to Couey in April. Instead, jurors from a different county will be brought in to Citrus when the trial starts on July 10

Work is underway at the Citrus County Courthouse to prepare for the trial. That includes officials securing parking to accommodate media from across the state and country and a county judge relocating his courtroom for a least a week to free up space for those involved in the trial."

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/6/1/161768.html

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

[msgatorslayer]

"While no final decision has been made for John Couey’s murder trial location, it appears the case could remain in Citrus County, with court officials in Inverness making arrangements"

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2006/06/02/news/news10.txt

Copyright © 2006, The Citrus County Chronicle

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[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by JudyBee
Before we string up these officers, maybe we should remember that Jessica was still missing at the time of the Couey interrogation. Perhaps their first priority at that time was finding Jessica (hopefully alive, but finding her remains if not) not building a case against Couey.

It wasn't until Couey's confession that they knew where to find poor little Jessica...and finding her was very important for her family and for clearing the good names of her dad, grandfather and all the extended family. Remember how badly the entire family was bashed and accused of molesting and killing little Jessica themselves.

I recall this so well. I stayed up for a solid week-and I wasn't in FL. Can't imagine what those police were feeling and dealing with at the time.

I keep seeing that news report - a candid story about some bar -- and there sat COUEY smiling, chuckling, and chugging down beers in Savannah as if he hadn't a care in the world...

It sickens me... I guess we can count ourselves fortunate that these cops did not beat the tar out of him!

I understand warhorse's side too. Very well.

And just thinking of this monster manipulating a system that is set up to protect the innocent after what he did...

:flamemad:

[MATTHEWsevenone]

The logic that Couey's attorney said about

they would have found her eventually...

sickens me too.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE ETHICS OF THE OFFICERS OF THE COURT -

Wasn't there a time when the defense would understand that his client deserved fair treatment, not a free ride?

And the proceedings were to find justice -

WHERE DID SHE GO?

:seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

The chump was laughing it up in court today.:rolleyes:

"Citrus County Judge Ric Howard ruled Monday the trial for John Couey will be held in Citrus County"

"Howard already has agreed that because of publicity, jurors won't come from Citrus County, however, the public will be able to view all pre-trial hearings"

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/6/5/162320.html

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2006/06/06/news/news10.txt

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[protectkidz]

Absolutely, JudyBee - you've hit the nail on the head.

I've read the confession, including John Couey's references to a lawyer. Correct, as soon as John Couey said the words "I would like to speak to a lawyer", the interview should have come to a halt. But he never quite said those words.

This will be debated at the hearing on June 23. And if I recalled correctly, and of course the judge will make the decision - John Couey's words were not "I would like to speak to an attorney".

John Couey made a vague reference to an attorney - but did not ask for one - when he was asked if he would take a lie detecter test. The detectives asked him if he would take the test, and he said something like "well, I might want an attorney". He then agreed to take the test without another reference to an attorney. After taking the test, he broke down and confessed to the crime without asking for an attorney. Fair game to me.

Sure to some, especially the defense, this would seem a clear indication the Couey wanted an attorney. He doesn't seem to be the most articulate child murderer on the planet, so maybe he just didn't articulate his needs properly. But if I remember correctly, the detectives involved have already faced some kind of hearing in this matter and have been cleared of wrong doing (anybody knows differently, please post).

They needed to find Jessica. Did they think she was no longer living? Probably. Did they think there was a chance she may still be alive? Maybe. Did they play dirty? Maybe. I don't care. They didn't beat him, or kill him. They were polite to him and got the info they needed to find Jessica. That was the most important thing at the time.

The jury will see that.

Besides - they are still able to use the evidence from the trailer. Which, from what I understand, is plentiful.

It's a slam dunk.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

So far, MsGator -

Sounds like all is A-OK. Mark and his parents will not have to drive far.

I've been thinking of Jessie's grandparents alot recently. Any idea how they are getting by?

Also. How big is the gallery down there? Will they probably have plenty of seating or will people have to get there really early or what?

I hope the gallery is filled to capacity every day!

Debating on whether to fly in for this one...

Every time I think about what he did....


:flamemad:

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
So far, MsGator -

Sounds like all is A-OK. Mark and his parents will not have to drive far.

I've been thinking of Jessie's grandparents alot recently. Any idea how they are getting by?

Also. How big is the gallery down there? Will they probably have plenty of seating or will people have to get there really early or what?

I hope the gallery is filled to capacity every day!

Debating on whether to fly in for this one...

Every time I think about what he did....


:flamemad:

I haven't heard anything in the news lately about any of the Lunsford family. None of them were at Monday's hearing. News did show a picture of the gallery, and IMO, the seating area looks very simlilar to the kind in the Joseph Smith case, which is also just like the kind I have in my County.

I'm very happy that Mark and family will only have to drive about a half an hour away. I still need to get a map and figure out how I'm gonna get there. Cause the Courts in Inverness, which is in the Eastern part of the County. An area that I have never driven to from my house.

And Mapquests gives a long route on a road full of stop lights. I'd prefer to the Expressway, but it ends in Homossasa. Need to figure out if theres a good way to get to Inverness from there.

You would really consider flying in for this trial? Well, if you need a family vacation that you could incorporate within the time you;d be here, go for it. Orlando is not far away, you could also stay right in Citrus County and enjoy the Nature Coast with boating, etc. Even go visit the Mermaid show, lol.

On another note, Baynews9 was bombarded with complaints about them showing Couey laughing in court and the pic was removed from their site and on the news.

[weepy willa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dingy B Good
I just heard that it is very possible this murderer may go free because of a mistake made by a police officer?

Has anyone else heard about this?

I am telling you, if this man goes free for what he did. I hope someone makes him suffer the EXACT same way he made little Jessica Lunsford suffer.


:cuss: [/QUO


Go Free ? where?:cuss:

[cook4andy]

I seriously doubt Couey will go free and if he does, I believe his fate will be far worse than in the Court system and why he is in protected custody while awaiting trail.

I live in Citrus County and no one has forgotten what this animal did.

[msgatorslayer]

"Largo, Florida - The father of Jessica Lunsford displayed "Jessica's Ride" today, a trike donated in memory of her.

Mark Lunsford was at the Molly Hatchet and Blackfoot concert at the Largo Cultural Center tonight.

The trike is pink and purple, highlighting Jessica's love for dolphins.

Mark plans to use the trike to raise money to strengthen laws against sex predators."

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=33431

[Perilloux]

Remember Jessica when media hits high tide (http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/20/Citrus/Remember_Jessica_when.shtml)
By Times editorial
Published June 20, 2006

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Inverness has had its 15 minutes of national fame before, from high-profile courtroom battles to the now-infamous Cooter festival episode. But nothing to date can prepare the Citrus County seat for the wave looming over the horizon. This just in: The national media circus is coming to town. And all of us had better be ready. When the trial of John Couey convenes at the courthouse next month, media stars from around the country will pour into town.

[msgatorslayer]

Thanks for posting the article. I completely missed it as I normally only check the Citrus section once I have heard Jessica news on the TV.

JMO, but I think it would be impossible to listen to the trial coverage and not take the drive down to Jessie's grave and pay respects to the lil girl with the purple dolphin that captured hearts around the world.:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

"Court TV, Fox News, Bay News 9, the Associated Press, the Citrus County Chronicle, the Star-Banner of Ocala, the Tampa Tribune and the St. Petersburg Times are among the media outlets that will cover the trial and that sent representatives to the meeting Monday. "

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/20/Citrus/Inverness_gears_up_fo.shtml

There was 2 different links for this story.:seeya:

[Perilloux]

:beer:
Thanks msgatorslayer for that link. I have the Couey trial on my google alerts. This trial has been a long time coming. I look forward to seeing justice served in this case. I just wish the other people that were present in that trailor and could have(should have) saved Jessica's life were on trial also. I don't know how they sleep at night.

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer
"Court TV, Fox News, Bay News 9, the Associated Press, the Citrus County Chronicle, the Star-Banner of Ocala, the Tampa Tribune and the St. Petersburg Times are among the media outlets that will cover the trial and that sent representatives to the meeting Monday. "

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/20/Citrus/Inverness_gears_up_fo.shtml

There was 2 different links for this story.:seeya: It's a real shame that the good people of Florida have had "two" high profile trials involving child killers within a year. Let's hope with public awareness and tougher laws we can stop this violence against kids. As usual, I look forward to your links and hope your summer is going well Msgatorslayer!:seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

"The Fifth Judicial Circuit Court in Citrus County determined Wednesday that John Couey's confession to the murder of 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford is admissible in court because he volunteered it."

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/6/21/164973.html

[msgatorslayer]

Originally posted by PROPROS
It's a real shame that the good people of Florida have had "two" high profile trials involving child killers within a year. Let's hope with public awareness and tougher laws we can stop this violence against kids. As usual, I look forward to your links and hope your summer is going well Msgatorslayer!:seeya:

Yeah, it's ashame. And there seems to be no end in sight. A Judge has just set the trial date for David Onstott in the murder of Sarah Lunde for Oct. 16th.

My summer is starting off good. Went boating once already and plan on going again this Monday coming up. Mr.Gator is finally taking me out to the island DURING THE DAY!!! He likes going fishing at night with the guys and in the past, it was hard to get him excited about going out during the hot day light hours.

Hope yours is doing just as well, Propros.

[PROPROS]

Thanks for a great link! Looks like Joseph Smith will be getting a new neighbor. I'm sure this is a relief to the prosecution as well as to the Lunsford family. Justice for Jessica:rose:

[PROPROS]

Originally posted by msgatorslayer


Yeah, it's ashame. And there seems to be no end in sight. A Judge has just set the trial date for David Onstott in the murder of Sarah Lunde for Oct. 16th.

My summer is starting off good. Went boating once already and plan on going again this Monday coming up. Mr.Gator is finally taking me out to the island DURING THE DAY!!! He likes going fishing at night with the guys and in the past, it was hard to get him excited about going out during the hot day light hours.

Hope yours is doing just as well, Propros. I saw on the link that you posted for Couey that Onstott would be going to trial in October. That makes 3 trials (involving child killers) in 1 year. Here in California we have also had our share. I'm happy to hear that you and your DH are spending some time together. Me and Mr. Propros will try and get away (probably Vegas) for a few days. :seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

Er, I jumped the gun with yesterday's confession news. Oddly enough, the story itself has been yanked from that link. And Baynews9 was the only Tampa media outlet reporting on it.

It didn't sink in yesterday that it was a higher court who only determined that the confession was 'admissable"

"Ruling about items scheduled for Friday

Prosecutors say the reported confession John Couey gave for the murder of Jessica Lunsford should be allowed at trial, blaming Couey for continuing to talk to investigators despite asking for a lawyer.

Two days before a hearing to decide if the confession can be admitted, prosecutors filed two separate motions Wednesday asking that the statements, and evidence obtained through them, be allowed. A Friday hearing before Circuit Judge Ric Howard will include eight to 12 witnesses and the playing of audio-taped interviews between Couey, 47, and investigators."

By Dave Pieklik

Copyright © 2006, The Citrus County Chronicle

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[msgatorslayer]

"Jessica’s father given Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis Award
In the 15 months since his 9-year-old daughter, Jessica, was murdered, Mark Lunsford said he hasn’t had trouble finding the right words to express what he’s gone though.

That changed Tuesday night when he was presented with the Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis Award for Outstanding Public Service. Lunsford was recognized at a ceremony in Wash-ington, D.C., for his efforts to pass tougher sex offender laws since his daughter’s death."

By Dave Pieklik

Copyright © 2006, The Citrus County Chronicle

http://www.chronicleonline.com/articles/2006/06/22/news/news20.txt

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:beer: Keep up the good work, Mark. :rose:

[PROPROS]

That explains why I couldn't get that darn link to work! No matter...... confession or not Couey is as good as convicted. As in Carlie's case the testimony from the medical examiner will be so heartbreaking that we may get another spectator to holler out "let's string him up now"!

[2L8 4A D8]

This is fantastic news! Mark certainly deserves this award. You go Mark!

:rose: For Sweet Jessica! :rose:

[MURGY]

the award could not have gone to a better person than mark lunsford!!!!! how that man has manage to stay up and be strong is beyond me what a MAN!!!:)

[day2day]

As long as Mark Lunsford is alive..he will never let this world forget about sweet Jessica! ...WTG Mr. Lunsford! :rose:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by cook4andy
I seriously doubt Couey will go free and if he does, I believe his fate will be far worse than in the Court system and why he is in protected custody while awaiting trail.

I live in Citrus County and no one has forgotten what this animal did.

I agree. If Couey goes free and walks out that door, he's a goner IMO! And that's a good thing!

[msgatorslayer]

"The United States Postal Service has issued an "AMBER Alert" stamp, which honors a program dedicated to the rapid recovery of abducted children"

"A man whose daughter was kidnapped, sexually assaulted and murdered last year, Mark Lunsford, attended the ceremony Thursday where the stamp was unveiled."

"Lunsford sees the new Amber Alert stamp dedicated in his daughter Jessica's memory as a small reminder to legislators and families of the importance of protecting children.

"It's going to happen again and we gotta do more to keep it from happening and we do that by keeping the pressure on our legislators," Lunsford said.

The Amber Alert stamp was issued days before the July 10 start of the trial of the man accused of killing Jessica Lunsford, John Couey. Mark Lunsford plans to be in court every day for Couey's trial."

© 2006 Bay News 9. All rights reserved.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/6/29/166319.html

[PROPROS]

:rose: I will be buying some of those stamps. Your a wonder with these "links" Msgator.

[amy_gbb]

"On Friday, Circuit Judge Ric Howard in Inverness is expected to rule on motions from Couey's attorney to suppress the confession he gave and the recovery of Jessica's body a day later based on those alleged violations of his Miranda rights."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GIRL_SLAIN?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=AMERICAS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Warning: The first paragraph of the article is very upsetting. The quoted paragraph is the 3rd one down.

[Pinetree]

Originally posted by amy_gbb
"On Friday, Circuit Judge Ric Howard in Inverness is expected to rule on motions from Couey's attorney to suppress the confession he gave and the recovery of Jessica's body a day later based on those alleged violations of his Miranda rights."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GIRL_SLAIN?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=AMERICAS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Warning: The first paragraph of the article is very upsetting. The quoted paragraph is the 3rd one down.

Judge has ruled. Confession can't be used and any evidence discovered because of it is also out.

:flamemad:

[phylcore]

Just heard that on Fox news.
I can't believe Cops can be so dumb knowing full well it can get tossed.
But I am not worried there is know way he won't be convicted.

[Not Telling]

Originally posted by Pinetree


Judge has ruled. Confession can't be used and any evidence discovered because of it is also out.

:flamemad:

The confession was ruled inadmissible, but the discovery of Jessica's body is admissible...

[amy_gbb]

"ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- The confession of a man charged with kidnapping, raping and killing 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford isn't admissible in court, but the discovery of her body can be used as evidence, a judge ruled Friday."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/30/couey.hearing.ap/index.html

[MikefrMd]

I doubt very much if this will matter in the end....too much forensic evidence against him.

I know all defendants have constitional rights but it always burns me when these defense lawyers know this animal is guilty as hell but still want to have him released into the public.

The only satisfaction I have in this case is that it won't happen. IMO

[day2day]

What is really sad is that "we" can't kill this POS twice...slowly...

I am confident even without the confession..he will still die..

[lorjac]

Someone please (oh please) explain to me how you confess to a crime... in detail and then still get to plead not guilty???

I have NEVER understood this....

[Lynn Gweeny]

JESSICA LUNSFORD TRAGEDY (http://www.sptimes.com/2006/webspecials06/couey/)

The LINK above has audio access to an excerpt of Couey being questioned by the detectives. It is entitled:

AUDIO
Listen to an excerpt of Citrus County Sheriff's detectives interviewing John Couey on March 17, 2005.
Warning: Extremely graphic

Part 1 @ 15 minutes in length (asking for lawyer near the end)

Part 2 @ 10 minutes in length (details of what he did to Jessica) :flamemad:

[cook4andy]

I agree. If Couey goes free and walks out that door, he's a goner IMO! And that's a good thing!

I totally agree with your last statement!:beer:

[Alphafemale]

another botched interegation by the police. Even though he is guilty as sin, he still has the right to due- process.(sp?)

They should have gotten a lawyer for him as he requested during the questioning. This a terrible blow to Jessica's family, yet another injustice done to them.

I am in an angered state and am praying that he doesn't walk because of these very avoidable mistakes.

I pray for her friends and family that justice will be served.

[ProgRocker]

Originally posted by warhorse46



I have a very narrow opinion of who deserves the death penalty but Couey falls right square @ the top of my list of criminals who should die for their crimes. IMO the sooner the better, this earth would be a better place without him.

I agree. How can it be possible that the police/community are willing to let a sick person such as Couey back on the streets, and able to hurt another innocent child? :cuss: I'm normally against the death penalty, but I strongly feel that it should be applied in this case.

[becurious]

I, also, will be buying some of those stamps. Mark Lunsford has shown so much courage and class while dealing with his beautiful daughter's death. May there be SOMETHING good come from this tragedy - may it save others this grief.


:rose: for Jessica, her family, and all who knew and loved her

[jenniann]

For me this trial will not be a question of guilt or innocence -- IMO, the evidence of guilt is overwhelming. It's rare for me to start watching a trial already on either side of the fence. I have no problem with that this time.

So for me, it will be an issue of punishment, death or LWOP? I don't know yet whether the defense can convince me, or anyone else, that there is a good reason for Couey to continue to live. Right now I can't think of any.

Hope CW gives us a forum on the main board soon.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2172692&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

"Jurors in Florida will decide whether a convicted sex offender is guilty of a 10-year-old girl's kidnapping and brutal rape and murder, but they will not hear arguably the prosecution's strongest evidence — his alleged confession.

John Couey, 47, goes on trial this week for capital murder, burglary with battery, kidnapping and sexual battery in the 2005 slaying of Jessica Lunsford.

If he's found guilty, that same jury will also decide whether he should live or die.

Police say Couey admitted abducting Jessica, raping her, and later burying her behind his house. Jurors, however, will not hear the alleged confession — more than 100 pages' worth of testimony recorded on tape that contain Couey's account of how he allegedly lured Jessica and what he did to her.

Couey's attorneys argued — and Citrus County Circuit Judge Ric Howard agreed — that the conditions under which Couey had confessed violated his constitutional rights. Specifically, he was denied the right to counsel by interrogating officers who continued to question him after he mentioned the need for a lawyer.

It is on tape that Couey confessed to kidnapping, raping and killing Jessica, calling himself sick and "stupid" during the two-hour interview in March 2005. But, Howard noted in his ruling, in one exchange with the detectives, Couey invoked his right to counsel "no less than eight times in 46 seconds."

Couey's confession led police to the girl's body, which was found just after midnight the morning of March 19, 2005. Dental records helped identify it as Jessica. She was wrapped in trash bags, hands tied, with a stuffed dolphin toy between her arms. Medical examiners determined that she had been suffocated.

Couey's defense attorney argued that the discovery of Jessica's body should not be allowed in court because he told the detectives in the interview where he had buried the girl. The judge agreed with prosecutors, however, that investigators would have found her body without the confession.


A Search With a Sad End

Jessica was a third-grader at Homosassa Elementary School. Known as a sweet, quiet girl, her hobbies included singing karaoke and playing with her dog, Corky.

On Feb. 24, 2005 she spent the evening at church and gave her father, Mark, a customary hug good night before going to bed. Her family woke up the next morning and found she was missing from her bed.

For weeks after she went missing, there were no solid leads on the case.

She was another missing-child case, with news of her search all over the newspapers and TV airwaves.

Florida police parked outside her home as her father and grandparents frantically searched for a lost little girl.

Jessica was closer than they thought, tucked away in a closet across the street. "

More at link.

[msgatorslayer]

Figured I'd come over here and round Matthew and Jennian up. We are all over in the trial section. On a sticky. Waiting for CW to open up a forum.:seeya:

[BobbisAngel]

I just came from the trial section and didn't see anything for Couey's trial yet. They are still in jury selection but I hope this trial is added to the trials before long. Otherwise will we just post here during the trial? I don't want to miss a day of the trial once it gets going on CTV. I just wish that the talking heads wouldn't talk and that they wouldn't have any guests while this trial is one. They take up to much time...I don't care about what they have to say...I want to watch and hear the trial. I guess I should just be thankful that they are going to cover the trail.

[msgatorslayer]

Bobby and everyone else who may be interested.

CW has created a new forum for the trial. It's up at the top. No longer in the trial sections.

See ya there!:seeya: