The Attempted Assassination of Judge Chuck Weller [Archive]

Dingy B Good

06-12-2006, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Bush4Prez

The news reports are saying that he was shot in the chest while standing in front of a window on the third floor. It defiinitely sounds like a hit to me.

i havent heard anything on this and i have to leave here shortly. Did the Judge die from the gunshot wound?

from your post it sounds like either a hit or a person with experience with guns out for revenge. I will try and watch the news tonight & get all caught up on what has been reported.

Babby~A

06-12-2006, 03:18 PM

According to the news he is not dead.

I've been in that Court house quite a few times... doing some business, and it would be VERY hard to get a gun inside.

Dingy B Good

06-12-2006, 03:23 PM

Thank you Babby.

Ok I will see you guys later and check in after I get back . Have to go see the chiropractor but have to get ready first. So Thanks for the info and updates, will read for more info when I get back.

:seeya:

Bush4Prez

06-12-2006, 03:36 PM

The news reports are saying that they believe it was a sniper but they are not sure if the shooter was inside the building or if the bullet came from outside the building.

I hope this Judge is going to be okay.

warhorse46

06-12-2006, 03:40 PM

No name for the Judge yet? Sure hope it is not Judge Bonaventure from the Binion case.

KKKKKKatie

06-12-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by pmurray
Has anyone heard whether today's shooting is related to the Los Angeles Times recent expose on crooked Nevada judges? Sounds like the shooting was a hit to me.

that is the first thing I thought of!

Anymore news? I'm still at work :mad:

Dingy B Good

06-12-2006, 04:50 PM

My appointment was unexpectedly cancelled so i am waiting for updatesalong with you guys. If you guys hear anything please post. I am having a storm here so not sure if or how long I may have cable or internet tonight.

:seeya:

Amy

06-12-2006, 10:40 PM

The 10 o'clock news reported that a "person of interest" had had a case in family court there. The reporter didn't say that the judge that was shot was the judge in that case or not.....just said the case was "there."

They are lookin' for the person of interest. No more details, like how they determined it might be this person---there has to be many people who have had cases there who didn't particularly care for the outcome, if they were on the losing side. So, wonder what put them on this fellow's trail?

Jadedblueeyes

06-12-2006, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Amy
The 10 o'clock news reported that a "person of interest" had had a case in family court there. The reporter didn't say that the judge that was shot was the judge in that case or not.....just said the case was "there."

They are lookin' for the person of interest. No more details, like how they determined it might be this person---there has to be many people who have had cases there who didn't particularly care for the outcome, if they were on the losing side. So, wonder what put them on this fellow's trail?

I did not catch all of Nancy's show tonight but they did show a suspect with his picture and name. Sorry I cannot remember what the name was but they said he was a well known businessman in the area owned a pawn shop and another business. They said they think he had been to the court about divorce proceedings.

Nancy also asked the police was the wife in protective custody and the officer hesitated. I picked up that they have not found the wife of this man. Also he may be tied to another man that was shot in the park shortly before the Judge was shot.

IMO

Ocean

Babby~A

06-12-2006, 11:33 PM

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060612/NEWS18/606120362&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

FoxySly

06-13-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060612/NEWS18/606120362&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

From the above link: Johns said officers also are looking for two vehicles, a 2003 Hummer with the Nevada license plate of 392 PWP and a silver Ford Explorer.

That Hummer should NOT be hard to find imo.

Sly

Amy

06-13-2006, 01:54 AM

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060612/NEWS18/606120364

You were right, the Hummer wasn't hard to find. This article has it as orange, tho. And the Explorer as silver. The Explorer is what they are lookin' for now.

Babby~A

06-13-2006, 12:10 PM

I wonder if he killed his wife.:(

Reno27

06-13-2006, 12:31 PM

krnv.com is reporting that it is indeed his wife Charla. :(

Babby~A

06-13-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Reno27
krnv.com is reporting that it is indeed his wife Charla. :(

Ahh, that is what I figured. :(

Aletta

06-13-2006, 02:10 PM

Man, I just saw this on the news just now and just shook my head...What a nice looking family and how sad that these kids will no longer have a mother or a father.

What a bonehead - I don't understand this garbage at all. Big man hunt out for this guy...

What a shame and it just did not have to happen. Didn't the courts know of this guys disposition???

Babby~A

06-13-2006, 02:40 PM

I sure do wonder where this guy is.:shrug: With all of the construction in downtown Reno I can't imagine him making a fast and easy get away.

I wonder if he will kill himself.:shrug:

Reno27

06-13-2006, 02:45 PM

You know, I was watching the late news here in Reno last night and one of the local anchors had spoken with him and a friend not too long ago about the judges practices. I got the impression that this was a total shock. He seemed well composed and his thoughts were put together well. I believe she said it was like he just 'snapped'. Tragic indeed.

Babby~A

06-13-2006, 03:07 PM

his wife.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5025488&nav=8faO

fdusa

06-13-2006, 03:11 PM

My husband thought he heard on a news cast that he had also shot the ex-wife's boyfriend. Did he just dream that or did he also shot that person?

Babby~A

06-13-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by fdusa
My husband thought he heard on a news cast that he had also shot the ex-wife's boyfriend. Did he just dream that or did he also shot that person?

I have not come across anything like that.

But what a piece of work:rolleyes: imo.
I wonder if this guy abused this woman before this.

cruisemamma

06-13-2006, 03:27 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199240,00.html

I just heard on Fox he was ordered to pay his X 10G's per month for child support.

Apparently he didn't agree with the order, and is currently on the run.

gibbrishclown

06-13-2006, 03:32 PM

Why both, it seems to me that one or the other would have done the trick:rolleyes:

cruisemamma

06-13-2006, 03:36 PM

They just showed the picture of Mack with his wife and kids on Fox, a really nice looking family.

Very sad, but guess he was pissed at both. I'm guessing the wife didn't want to be with him, and he was going to be paying through the nose. Now the kids won't have either parent - what a twit, imo.

gibbrishclown

06-13-2006, 03:40 PM

it is sad. There was no need to kill anyone, don't these people have any problem solving skills, you know there are people-well there is a person- that I hate so badly for his actions... but this world is huge, and there is room for both of us, although I have yet to see his purpose or value as a human being... oh I ramble...

I just don't understand why these people can't just deal with what they've got to deal with in some other fashion:shrug:

karincc

06-13-2006, 03:40 PM

FWIW, I've heard that most judges consider family court the most dangerous judicial position because of the likelihood of someone getting violent.

Really sad case. I'm betting that this guy won't allow himself to be taken alive, and he may already be dead by his own hand.

:rose: For the Judge's family and for the children of the shooter.

cruisemamma

06-13-2006, 03:56 PM

Yeah he really screwed up, but I think for the people that are left sometimes they just snap.

Guess we'll get more details as time goes on. Maybe thats it, you have these kinds of cases because of lack of coping skills, or society is just getting more screwed up.

People are jumping into relationships, having sex resulting in kids planned or unplanned and its snow balling. Then before they know it, their in a big mess they never foresaw.

:shrug:

DoraDane

06-13-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by cruisemamma
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199240,00.html

I just heard on Fox he was ordered to pay his X 10G's per month for child support.

Apparently he didn't agree with the order, and is currently on the run.

That is so sad. I didn't know that he killed his wife, I heard that he had shot the judge. Now the children have no parents. :(

Dora~

Aletta

06-13-2006, 08:11 PM

Geez, 10G's? Why on earth does someone need that much money to live on?????? That is insane.

The guy is really dumb for sure but I have to wonder what the wife was thinking as well?

gibbrishclown

06-13-2006, 08:13 PM

I was wondering just how many kids one has to have to have to pay out $10000 a month...

Jadedblueeyes

06-13-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Reno27
You know, I was watching the late news here in Reno last night and one of the local anchors had spoken with him and a friend not too long ago about the judges practices. I got the impression that this was a total shock. He seemed well composed and his thoughts were put together well. I believe she said it was like he just 'snapped'. Tragic indeed.

I have seen several people on the cable channels that knew this man. All of them said he was the nicest guy you could ever meet and that he was well liked.

He has done such a foolish stupid thing. Some just cant let go of losing their family especially their children.

Imo, they will probably find him dead somewhere.

Prayers for all the victims.

IMO

Ocean

Babby~A

06-13-2006, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Jadedblueeyes

I have seen several people on the cable channels that knew this man. All of them said he was the nicest guy you could ever meet and that he was well liked.

He has done such a foolish stupid thing. Some just cant let go of losing their family especially their children.

Imo, they will probably find him dead somewhere.

Prayers for all the victims.

IMO

Ocean

Ocean, I agree I think he will take his own life, if he already hasn't.

TobyTiger

06-13-2006, 09:01 PM

Manhunt still underway for Darren Mack who has been charged with the killing of his wife Charla and is considered a person of interest in the sniper shooting of Judge Chuck Weller on Monday...

msnbc.com (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13282424/)

TobyTiger

06-13-2006, 09:03 PM

Reno fugitive's credit card used at Sacramento airport...
KCRA3 has confirmed that a man wanted in connection with the murder of his wife and the shooting of a Reno judge may have fled to the Sacramento area...

msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13306920/)

ELENDA100

06-13-2006, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Ocean, I agree I think he will take his own life, if he already hasn't.
That was my thoughts also. Sounds like he went off the deep end

TobyTiger

06-13-2006, 09:37 PM

Complete news coverage of this case is available at the following link:

Reno Gazette-Journal (http://news.rgj.com/)

Jadedblueeyes

06-13-2006, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Reno fugitive's credit card used at Sacramento airport...
KCRA3 has confirmed that a man wanted in connection with the murder of his wife and the shooting of a Reno judge may have fled to the Sacramento area...

msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13306920/)

OMG! Surely if he bought a ticket they know where he is headed if he got another ticket in Sacremento. Do you think he went overseas maybe?

I thought he would probably kill himself but he may just try to flee the country. I wonder if there has been large withdrawals from any of his accounts. They said he made around 44k per month so he should have plenty stashed away.

Hope they catch him soon.

IMO

Ocean

TobyTiger

06-13-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Jadedblueeyes

OMG! Surely if he bought a ticket they know where he is headed if he got another ticket in Sacremento. Do you think he went overseas maybe?

I thought he would probably kill himself but he may just try to flee the country. I wonder if there has been large withdrawals from any of his accounts. They said he made around 44k per month so he should have plenty stashed away.

Hope they catch him soon.

IMO

Ocean
The article states that authorities would not confirm if it was Darren Mack who use the credit card at the Sacramento airport or what it was used for. It wouldn't be possible for him to purchase an airline ticket without identification, and therefore each airline would know if he had boarded a plane. No further details were given on Greta's (On the Record) show tonight...just that LE is still searching for him and a description of his vehicle was given. :(

debbmos

06-14-2006, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by gibbrishclown
I was wondering just how many kids one has to have to have to pay out $10000 a month...

I think when you are making 44 grand + a month you can pay 10,000

cruisemamma

06-14-2006, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by debbmos

I think when you are making 44 grand + a month you can pay 10,000

Absolutely, its like taxes the more you make the more they take, and in regards to child support the kids are entitled to the same lifestyle they were accustomed to.

I would like to know if she got a boyfriend or what other factors caused him to do this.

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 11:09 AM

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS10/606140341/1002

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS10/606140341/1002
Sociopathic power and control. I doubt he will get much sympathy from a jury when this goes to trial. It does not appear that he was truly concerned about the welfare of his children, or to provide the better home environment for their 8 year old daughter. If that had been his intent, then he destroyed all possibility of it on June 12th. Hopefully the child is now with those who will love and care for her, and hasn't been traumatized beyond repair. (moo)

Scribbles

06-14-2006, 11:47 AM

Don't know if anyone has posted this, but the two older children are Mack's from two previous marriages or relationships. Darren and Charla Mack have one seven-year-old daughter. At least that is what has been reported so far. There has been so much misinformation—and that includes electronic and print media—that stories are changing from day to day.

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Sociopathic power and control. I doubt he will get much sympathy from a jury when this goes to trial. It does not appear that he was truly concerned about the welfare of his children, or to provide the better home environment for their 8 year old daughter. If that had been his intent, then he destroyed all possibility of it on June 12th. Hopefully the child is now with those who will love and care for her, and hasn't been traumatized beyond repair. (moo)

Boy do I agree!

Is Mack in the Bay Area?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2006/06/14/reno14.DTL

FeelinFroggy617

06-14-2006, 12:13 PM

Some more information I heard about Darren Mack last night: he was very wealthy, made 6 to 7 figures a year. He and his wife, Charla were into the swinging scene, more so him. They made it sound like she went along with it at first to please him and then hated it, they read a letter that she wrote threatening to cut off his privates if he continued. This was all on Nancy Grace so maybe you can find it on her transcripts from 6/13, if they are up yet. There was accusations against Charla with sexual abuse of the children coming from his first wife. Sounds like a twisted, unhappy couple. I'll see what I can find as far as trascripts.

:seeya:

FeelinFroggy617

06-14-2006, 12:14 PM

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/13/ng.01.html

Here are the transcipts!

cruisemamma

06-14-2006, 02:09 PM

Reno27

06-14-2006, 02:27 PM

Sounds like they are shifting their focus towards the bay area, Moraga (?) area. As I type this, breaking news just said that he contacted a family member there Monday.

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Reno27
Sounds like they are shifting their focus towards the bay area, Moraga (?) area. As I type this, breaking news just said that he contacted a family member there Monday.

Reno I can hardly believe that Big Mack used the parking garage across from the Riverside theater to shoot at the judge. He must have made his way down Second then onto Keystone to HWY 80.

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Reno I can hardly believe that Big Mack used the parking garage across from the Riverside theater to shoot at the judge. He must have made his way down Second then onto Keystone to HWY 80.
And it certainly appears he was already headed out of state after he killed his wife, since her residence was on the south end of the city...he probably went north on I-395 or Virginia St., stopped off to shoot the judge, got on I-80 and over to California. Since his vehicle has California plates, it obviously is registered to an address in this state. That might be the address in the Bay Area.

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

And it certainly appears he was already headed out of state after he killed his wife, since her residence was on the south end of the city...he probably went north on I-395 or Virginia St., stopped off to shoot the judge, got on I-80 and over to California. Since his vehicle has California plates, it obviously is registered to an address in this state. That might be the address in the Bay Area.

At that time of day this area is well populated. The garage also has an attendant, not so sure it has a surveillance camera, at least I never noticed one.

jonee1

06-14-2006, 03:28 PM

Susan Filan is about to discuss this story now on Abrams Report.

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

At that time of day this area is well populated. The garage also has an attendant, not so sure it has a surveillance camera, at least I never noticed one.
I was also thinking about a garage attendant...either he had a monthly parking pass or had to take a ticket on entering and pay as he exited. Also, am suprised someone didn't see him and he didn't get caught as he was shooting the rifle...

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I was also thinking about a garage attendant...either he had a monthly parking pass or had to take a ticket on entering and pay as he exited. Also, am suprised someone didn't see him and he didn't get caught as he was shooting the rifle...

There is definitely an attendant at that garage that you must pass by. I'm surprised too that no one saw him.

Did I just hear that Mack wants to surrender?

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

There is definitely an attendant at that garage that you must pass by. I'm surprised too that no one saw him.

Did I just hear that Mack wants to surrender?
From the 'Abrams Report' (Susan Filan): Mack's cousin, Jeff Donner received a phone call from Mack on Monday (before Donner knew about the crimes in Reno). Donner is making a plea (via media) for Mack to surrender, and offering to assist in the surrender.

LE does not know where Darren Mack is. He has not been seen since Monday, before the shooting of Judge Weller. Moraga (CA) PD don't believe he is in the area (where Donner lives), contrary to previous reports. LE is also checking out several online dating services Mack used and urging the services to have anyone in contact with Mack notify LE.

The credit card used at the Sacramento airport was a corporate card and has not been confirmed to have actually been used by Mack. LE said it was used in the airport parking garage.

Darren Mack's cousin, Jeff Donner, will be on Rita Cosby (msnbc) tonight at 10pm ET/7pm PT

MistyMoppens

06-14-2006, 06:39 PM

On 4/29/06 Darren Mack was the winning bidder at eBay for two USAS-12 shotgun brochures for the Daewoo AR 15 semi-automatic shotgun. I doubt they were for guns in his pawn shop since he seemed to specialize in high-end jewelry.

He ran 466 auctions for gems & watches in the last month but had few sales. One auction was for a diamond priced at 1.2 million dollars. (no takers)

There are pictures of him with his wife and children and one with his mother on his "Me" page.

I didn't post his user id because I'm not quite sure what the rules are about that.

Anyway, I'm wondering if the brochures are related the weapon he used. He actually placed his high proxy bid on April 27th. It might be related to premeditation.

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 06:51 PM

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS18/606140366&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS18/606140366&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews
Thanks! One thing that still has not been addressed: the 2006 Ford Explorer he is believed to be driving is registered in California. No one has mentioned what the address is for the registration and since LE seems to believe that Mack could be just about anywhere, it seems that perhaps this registration could be through a leasing agent. Why no information on something that is important in searching for him? :shrug:

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Thanks! One thing that still has not been addressed: the 2006 Ford Explorer he is believed to be driving is registered in California. No one has mentioned what the address is for the registration and since LE seems to believe that Mack could be just about anywhere, it seems that perhaps this registration could be through a leasing agent. Why no information on something that is important in searching for him? :shrug:

It has been reported that this was a vehicle he rented.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3053381.html

MistyMoppens

06-14-2006, 07:29 PM

Another interesting tidbit on Mack's eBay feedback page...

The feedback for the 2 semi-automatic shotgun brochures was left May 6.

On May 8 another seller left feedback for him regarding a "private" auction. So the exact details are unknown. However.. even though this seller specializes in vending machine related items he does have an unrelated item in his eBay "store". He had 63 of them & has sold 5 so far. You can find it under:

"USAS-12 Automatic Shotgun Owner's Manual"

We have no way of verifying this but it seems quite a coincidence.
Two brochures and an owner's manuel for the same weapon in the same time period just before a murder & an attempted murder? hmmm....

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

It has been reported that this was a vehicle he rented.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3053381.html
Thank you! It seems this informaton would have been more widely reported. Interesting he rented it days before the murder/shooting; if he premeditated these crimes, he could have enough cash and resources at hand to be just about anywhere now...including possibly Mexico.

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Thank you! It seems this informaton would have been more widely reported. Interesting he rented it days before the murder/shooting; if he premeditated these crimes, he could have enough cash and resources at hand to be just about anywhere now...including possibly Mexico.

I have read that he had access to plenty of cash and that he took flying lessons in the past.

What I don't get is why his friend took SO long to contact the police after what happened in the AM at Mack's condo.:shrug:

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

I have read that he had access to plenty of cash and that he took flying lessons in the past.

What I don't get is why his friend took SO long to contact the police after what happened in the AM at Mack's condo.:shrug:
Janey Velez-Mitchell was just talking about the same thing! The friend's dog returned from the Mack condo with blood on it's fur shortly after 9am and Osborne did nothing for 6 hours. Didn't he wonder how the dog got the blood on it? Didn't he have to wash it off the dog? He says he was initially suspicious of something, but when Mack called him and they had coffee his "suspicions temporarily subsided." Later on, he tells Mack's mother that Charla may have been hurt or killed. Then about 3pm he calls the police. Guess he didn't have the news on in the meantime either to hear that the Judge had been shot...or did he get paid something to keep quiet for a few hours? :confused:

Babby~A

06-14-2006, 08:52 PM

Valkyrie08

06-14-2006, 10:06 PM

Here's an article relating to the case. If this link has already been posted, I apologize.

Wounded Judge Made Enemies in Court (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/14/wounded.judge.ap/index.html)

I will pray for all parties involved in this case, including Darren Roy Mack. I pray that Mack, wherever he is, will find the courage in his heart to do the right thing and turn himself in. His family must be worried sick.

I, too, would be worried out of my mind if it were one of my family members or friends who is in this situation.

TobyTiger

06-14-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Valkyrie08
Here's an article relating to the case. If this link has already been posted, I apologize.

Wounded Judge Made Enemies in Court (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/14/wounded.judge.ap/index.html)

I will pray for all parties involved in this case, including Darren Roy Mack. I pray that Mack, wherever he is, will find the courage in his heart to do the right thing and turn himself in. His family must be worried sick.

I, too, would be worried out of my mind if it were one of my family members or friends who is in this situation.
After seeing Darren Mack's cousin on Rita Cosby tonight, it's possible that he just "lost it". He'd called the cousin about 5 minutes after the Judge was shot. He told him that "if anything happens to me, to let everyone know what the judge had done to him." It was also reported that Charla had threatened to kill him. His attorney said that the divorce wasn't final and this didn't need to happen. Jeff Donner seemed truly upset and begged for Darren to turn himself in; no matter when or where, he'd go there and help bring him in. I hope for the family's sake that Darren heard his cousin and calls him...

Molly11

06-15-2006, 09:30 AM

About 9 a.m. Monday Osborne had gone to Mack's condominium in the 9900 block of Wilbur May Parkway to give Darren and Charla Mack's 7-year-old daughter a ride to her grandmother's home. Osborne had brought his dog.

Soon after, Charla Mack and the girl arrived at the home and Darren Mack asked Osborne to take the girl upstairs while he spoke with his estranged wife. Minutes later Osborne's dog began to bark, prompting Osborne to go downstairs. He saw Mack walk into the condo from the garage with a towel around his hand. Mack then brushed past him as he walked to his bedroom. Osborne's dog was soaked with wet blood. He took the girl and left. No screams had been heard.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS18/606140366&theme=

cruisemamma

06-15-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

After seeing Darren Mack's cousin on Rita Cosby tonight, it's possible that he just "lost it". He'd called the cousin about 5 minutes after the Judge was shot. He told him that "if anything happens to me, to let everyone know what the judge had done to him." It was also reported that Charla had threatened to kill him. His attorney said that the divorce wasn't final and this didn't need to happen. Jeff Donner seemed truly upset and begged for Darren to turn himself in; no matter when or where, he'd go there and help bring him in. I hope for the family's sake that Darren heard his cousin and calls him...

This guy was just another greedy SOB, and he was whining because he was ordered to take care of his family. There was nothing unfair about Wellers judgement. Just another creep that wanted to move on leaving his responsibilites behind.

He was really fortunate that the judge wasn't going to give the family home to his wife, and make him pay the mortgage, something he should have ordered.

Judges are making it more difficult for these kinds of guys to run out on their families.

Sadly neither of these parents provided a stable environment, and their lifestyle was apalling.

I'm hopeing now the kids will be placed with better parents, and perhaps with Macks money their future will be secured.

cruisemamma

06-15-2006, 10:51 AM

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by cruisemamma

This guy was just another greedy SOB, and he was whining because he was ordered to take care of his family. There was nothing unfair about Wellers judgement. Just another creep that wanted to move on leaving his responsibilites behind.

He was really fortunate that the judge wasn't going to give the family home to his wife, and make him pay the mortgage, something he should have ordered.

Judges are making it more difficult for these kinds of guys to run out on their families.

Sadly neither of these parents provided a stable environment, and their lifestyle was apalling.

I'm hopeing now the kids will be placed with better parents, and perhaps with Macks money their future will be secured.

You really don't know what kind of a Mother Ms Mack was.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060615/NEWS10/606150356/1002

rph3664

06-15-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

You really don't know what kind of a Mother Ms Mack was.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060615/NEWS10/606150356/1002

No, we don't. Of course her friends are going to say she was a loving, giving person, because they're her friends.

But they didn't live with her.

Usually, if one partner is extremely dysfunctional, the other one is too, although maybe not in the same way. This is not in any way saying she deserved her fate.

:rose:

FitnessMom

06-15-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Janey Velez-Mitchell was just talking about the same thing! The friend's dog returned from the Mack condo with blood on it's fur shortly after 9am and Osborne did nothing for 6 hours. Didn't he wonder how the dog got the blood on it? Didn't he have to wash it off the dog? He says he was initially suspicious of something, but when Mack called him and they had coffee his "suspicions temporarily subsided." Later on, he tells Mack's mother that Charla may have been hurt or killed. Then about 3pm he calls the police. Guess he didn't have the news on in the meantime either to hear that the Judge had been shot...or did he get paid something to keep quiet for a few hours? :confused:

This is way too weird. That friend saw him go from the garage to his bedroom with a towel wrapped around his hand, then saw the dog was covered in blood. How in the heck could his 'friend' not speak up and say something? He obviously wasn't afraid, because he met him later for coffee with Mack's daughter.

Another thing I thought was weird. Mack's friend, daughter and Charla were at the home. Mack's friend left the home with Mack's daughter after he saw Mack in the garage with the towel wrapped around his hand. Didn't it cross his mind to tell Charla that he was taking her daughter? Most ppl would not assume it was okay to take a 7/8 year old child that belongs to someone else, and leave without notifying the parents first. He obviously didn't notify Mack, because when Mack called him to ask him to the coffee shop, Mack asked him why he left so soon. So, we know he didn't tell Mack he was leaving with the child, why didn't he tell Charla he was leaving with her daughter?

I'm not buying his story.

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

This is way too weird. That friend saw him go from the garage to his bedroom with a towel wrapped around his hand, then saw the dog was covered in blood. How in the heck could his 'friend' not speak up and say something? He obviously wasn't afraid, because he met him later for coffee with Mack's daughter.

Another thing I thought was weird. Mack's friend, daughter and Charla were at the home. Mack's friend left the home with Mack's daughter after he saw Mack in the garage with the towel wrapped around his hand. Didn't it cross his mind to tell Charla that he was taking her daughter? Most ppl would not assume it was okay to take a 7/8 year old child that belongs to someone else, and leave without notifying the parents first. He obviously didn't notify Mack, because when Mack called him to ask him to the coffee shop, Mack asked him why he left so soon. So, we know he didn't tell Mack he was leaving with the child, why didn't he tell Charla he was leaving with her daughter?

I'm not buying his story.
Hi FM!
I don't understand it either. As I stated, he first didn't seem concerned that his dog was covered in blood, didn't ask Mack if he'd injured himself or why he had the towel wrapped around his hand, and then took the daughter, left and later agreed to meet Mack for coffee. All the while he claims he was "suspicious" something had happened to Charla. Yet it took him approximately 6 hrs to call LE. He also was oblivious to the shooting in downtown Reno...which I'm sure would have been all over the local news, radio, etc. immediately. And if he "thought" something had happened to Charla, why not go check on her?
:confused:

cruisemamma

06-15-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by rph3664

No, we don't. Of course her friends are going to say she was a loving, giving person, because they're her friends.

But they didn't live with her.

Usually, if one partner is extremely dysfunctional, the other one is too, although maybe not in the same way. This is not in any way saying she deserved her fate.

:rose:

Good points, and imo if they both were in the swinger lifestyle that says alot. Once they chose to have children that should not have been a part of any equation.

Again I hope the children end up much better off.

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by cruisemamma

Weller sounded like a smart judge, obviously he knew of Macks "lifestyle" and refused more visitation.

It really sounds like he had the childrens best interests at heart.
From what I understand, Charla wanted out of that 'alternative lifestyle' after she had their daughter, and that was one of the reasons she filed for divorce. Obviously Mack didn't agree, as he was registered with several online dating services. And if he was really concerned about his children he wouldn't have taken a knife and killed their stepmother/mother...with the child they had together inside the house as he did it.

Ironic this happened on June 12th...twelve years to the day after Nicole Simpson was knifed to death...

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by cruisemamma

Good points, and imo if they both were in the swinger lifestyle that says alot. Once they chose to have children that should not have been a part of any equation.

Again I hope the children end up much better off.
One thing that hasn't been made clear, is that two of those children are from his previous marriage and a relationship. Where are the mothers of those kids, and how did he get custody of them? :shrug:

cruisemamma

06-15-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

From what I understand, Charla wanted out of that 'alternative lifestyle' after she had their daughter, and that was one of the reasons she filed for divorce. Obviously Mack didn't agree, as he was registered with several online dating services. And if he was really concerned about his children he wouldn't have taken a knife and killed their stepmother/mother...with the child they had together inside the house as he did it.

Ironic this happened on June 12th...twelve years to the day after Nicole Simpson was knifed to death...

Yikes didn't realize that. I think this was a guy who wanted to move on but without all the consequences that go along with divorce.

Sounds like he was a nut long before he snapped.

cruisemamma

06-15-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

One thing that hasn't been made clear, is that two of those children are from his previous marriage and a relationship. Where are the mothers of those kids, and how did he get custody of them? :shrug:

Geeze thats what I was wondering, I mean really how did he get custody of them??

I have a sad feeling that all involved were probably unstable people.

FitnessMom

06-15-2006, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

One thing that hasn't been made clear, is that two of those children are from his previous marriage and a relationship. Where are the mothers of those kids, and how did he get custody of them? :shrug:

Hi Toby!

I'm curious about the other mothers. It's odd to see a father have custody of 2 kids, from 2 different women. Did he actually have custody of them? I've heard that one had accused Charla of sexually abusing one or more of the kids.

I've read that their daughter was 7/8 (have seen both). Did Charla recently decide the swinging lifestyle wasn't for her or did she stop as soon as she had the little girl?

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

Hi Toby!

I'm curious about the other mothers. It's odd to see a father have custody of 2 kids, from 2 different women. Did he actually have custody of them? I've heard that one had accused Charla of sexually abusing one or more of the kids.

I've read that their daughter was 7/8 (have seen both). Did Charla recently decide the swinging lifestyle wasn't for her or did she stop as soon as she had the little girl?
According to the Reno Gazette-Journal, their daughter was born in 1997. She would be 8/9 this year. The step-children are 15 and 17 yrs old. The Macks agreed to separate in July 2004 and in February 2005 filed for divorce.

No information is given regarding her involvement in the 'alternative lifestyle' however much is mentioned about him attending 'swingers' conventions at least twice a month in either San Francisco, Las Vegas or out of the country. The information I had regarding her wanting to quit the 'a.l.' was from one of the cable news shows.

FitnessMom

06-15-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

According to the Reno Gazette-Journal, their daughter was born in 1997. She would be 8/9 this year. The step-children are 15 and 17 yrs old. The Macks agreed to separate in July 2004 and in February 2005 filed for divorce.

No information is given regarding her involvement in the 'alternative lifestyle' however much is mentioned about him attending 'swingers' conventions at least twice a month in either San Francisco, Las Vegas or out of the country. The information I had regarding her wanting to quit the 'a.l.' was from one of the cable news shows.

Okay, I read that she accused him of not allowing her to see her stepchildren, I guess that clears that up for me. He must've had the 15 and 17 year old living with him for the past couple of years. I didn't realize they had been separated so long.

I feel a little confused about something. I thought "Swingers" were usually couples. How could he be a swinger without a partner?

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by cruisemamma

Yikes didn't realize that. I think this was a guy who wanted to move on but without all the consequences that go along with divorce.

Sounds like he was a nut long before he snapped.
His friends and family believe that he "snapped" but where he is now will determine if he really did...

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I feel a little confused about something. I thought "Swingers" were usually couples. How could he be a swinger without a partner?

Maybe he'd take one of his online girlfriends? :shrug:

FitnessMom

06-15-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Maybe he'd take one of his online girlfriends? :shrug:

LOL I'm sorry, that was a pretty dumb question for me to ask. Thanks.

Reno27

06-15-2006, 03:50 PM

It seems awfully well thought out for him to just have snapped in my opinion. The cousins interview was interesting but to me it sounded as if he knew more than what he was letting on.

FitnessMom

06-15-2006, 03:57 PM

rph3664

06-15-2006, 04:07 PM

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

LOL I'm sorry, that was a pretty dumb question for me to ask. Thanks.
No, it wasn't a dumb question! I can't grasp that online dating or swingers "lifestyle" either...;)

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Reno27
It seems awfully well thought out for him to just have snapped in my opinion. The cousins interview was interesting but to me it sounded as if he knew more than what he was letting on.
One of my big questions was regarding the 2006 Ford Explorer he left Reno in...it has CA plates, and isn't a vehicle that someone with his money would normally drive. Yet until last night/today, no info was released about who it was registered to. It is a Budget rental. Why did he need a rental vehicle? IMO, he planned these crimes and wanted an inconspicuous vehicle to flee in. Also one that is large enough to carry weapons and whatever else he took with him. Therefore, he didn't just "snap".

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I believe that 'friend' knows more too. Do we know why the friend was at Charla's house?
Darren asked him to give the daughter a ride to the girl's grandmother's house. (krnv.com)

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 04:48 PM

The FBI announced this afternoon that a federal warrant has been issued charging Darren Mack with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, in addition to the local warrant charging him with his estranged wife's murder...

The federal warrant was issued Wednesday.

(Reno Gazette-Journal) (rgj.com)

cantstandnuts

06-15-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Molly11
Darren Mack's cousin just told Rita Cosby that Darren reported to the police that he was afraid his wife was going to kill him--and Darren has been telling his cousin for a year that he's in fear for his life from his wife. Sound familiar?

On Abrams.

IMO

Molly,

I don't know about this case.
Is Darren Mack dead? If so, is his wife accused of doing it?
o/t I know, but if I could just ask this once...

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I believe that 'friend' knows more too. Do we know why the friend was at Charla's house?

Charla was murdered at Daryl's condiminium. Charla lived in Washoe Valley on Franktown ..where houses sell for app $4,000,000.

The friends story sounds pretty lame. What if the Judge has been killed too.:rolleyes:

paperbackreader

06-15-2006, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by cantstandnuts

Molly,

I don't know about this case.
Is Darren Mack dead? If so, is his wife accused of doing it?
o/t I know, but if I could just ask this once...

No doubt he killed her and was setting her up via the false reports to everyone that she was trying to kill him, just as Felix reputedly did.

Molly, if anyone on the jury is taking that position, nobody would be smiling while out on break. They are chomping popcorn together and talking about whether they want her eligible for parole or not.

:D

Molly11

06-15-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by cantstandnuts

Molly,

I don't know about this case.
Is Darren Mack dead? If so, is his wife accused of doing it?
o/t I know, but if I could just ask this once...

Darren Mack allegedly stabbed his estranged wife to death and shot their divorce Judge. There's a manhunt going on for him right now.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/NEWS10/606130349/1002

rph3664

06-15-2006, 05:55 PM

Here's an article from today.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060615/NEWS10/606150362/1002

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by rph3664
Here's an article from today.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060615/NEWS10/606150362/1002

How childish to set up a fake sale for a motorcycle at the Judge's home. Sheesh:rolleyes:

paperbackreader

06-15-2006, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Molly11

Darren Mack allegedly stabbed his estranged wife to death and shot their divorce Judge. There's a manhunt going on for him right now.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060613/NEWS10/606130349/1002

This was creepy! He was the sniper on the news yesterday. Shot the judge through a 3rd story window!

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

How childish to set up a fake sale for a motorcycle at the Judge's home. Sheesh:rolleyes:
More than childish, this guy has a very sick sense of humor. I'd imagine it wasn't easy for the judge to try to explain to a bunch of bikers that he never put an ad in the paper...

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Charla was murdered at Daryl's condiminium. Charla lived in Washoe Valley on Franktown ..where houses sell for app $4,000,000.

The friends story sounds pretty lame. What if the Judge has been killed too.:rolleyes:
I think the friend knew what happened and just didn't say anything until Darren was out of town. Fortunately, the judge will be o.k.

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

More than childish, this guy has a very sick sense of humor. I'd imagine it wasn't easy for the judge to try to explain to a bunch of bikers that he never put an ad in the paper...

Not only is Mack a murderer, but he also sounds really creepy. IMO

A swinger:rolleyes: :punch:

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Not only is Mack a murderer, but he also sounds really creepy. IMO

A swinger:rolleyes: :punch:
Well, in his mind he is a "swinger"...
RGJ Internet sites paint rosy picture (http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060615/NEWS10/606150361)
You can check out the web sites...:rolleyes:

emdragon

06-15-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by cruisemamma

Good points, and imo if they both were in the swinger lifestyle that says alot. Once they chose to have children that should not have been a part of any equation.

Again I hope the children end up much better off.

That is passing your own moral judgement on people you do not know. Being a "swinger" does not mean you are a bad parent. (as long as your not having sex in front of the kids).

emdragon

06-15-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by cruisemamma

Yikes didn't realize that. I think this was a guy who wanted to move on but without all the consequences that go along with divorce.

Sounds like he was a nut long before he snapped.

Divorce was not something that seemed to bother him much as he had done it twice before. There is something else going on here that i don't think anyone knew about or saw coming.

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by emdragon

That is passing your own moral judgement on people you do not know. Being a "swinger" does not mean you are a bad parent. (as long as your not having sex in front of the kids).
As a generality, this 'alternative lifestyle' isn't setting a good moral example for children. Instead of attending the "swinger conventions", the parents' time would be better spent with the children they brought into this world and are responsible for raising. (moo)

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by emdragon

Divorce was not something that seemed to bother him much as he had done it twice before. There is something else going on here that i don't think anyone knew about or saw coming.

Twice before? This was his third marriage?

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Twice before? This was his third marriage?
IIRC, it was stated he had one prior marriage (one child) and a prior relationship (which produced the second child). ;)

2lakes

06-15-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by MistyMoppens
Another interesting tidbit on Mack's eBay feedback page...

The feedback for the 2 semi-automatic shotgun brochures was left May 6.

On May 8 another seller left feedback for him regarding a "private" auction. So the exact details are unknown. However.. even though this seller specializes in vending machine related items he does have an unrelated item in his eBay "store". He had 63 of them & has sold 5 so far. You can find it under:

"USAS-12 Automatic Shotgun Owner's Manual"

We have no way of verifying this but it seems quite a coincidence.
Two brochures and an owner's manuel for the same weapon in the same time period just before a murder & an attempted murder? hmmm....

3 new feedback's left TODAY for auctions that ended on April 30th. They were mag's for guns. Very, very creepy. So I guess the person that left the feedback didn't know he was a suspect in the shooting because they gave him a A++++++++++++++++ rating. It seems strange though that they waited this long to leave feedback.

2lakes

06-15-2006, 11:01 PM

This is really strange. The user ID for Mack (listed in Nancy Grace transcripts) also left 4 new feedbacks FOR OTHERS today. I can't imagine he would be somewhere leaving feedback on EBAY while on the run.

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by 2lakes
This is really strange. The user ID for Mack (listed in Nancy Grace transcripts) also left 4 new feedbacks FOR OTHERS today. I can't imagine he would be somewhere leaving feedback on EBAY while on the run.
Wonder if there's a time-delay before feedbacks are posted. :confused:

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by 2lakes
This is really strange. The user ID for Mack (listed in Nancy Grace transcripts) also left 4 new feedbacks FOR OTHERS today. I can't imagine he would be somewhere leaving feedback on EBAY while on the run.

Could be someone who is working at the pawn palace.

TobyTiger

06-15-2006, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Could be someone who is working at the pawn palace.
I just thought of that also, right after I posted that last comment. And wouldn't LE be monitoring the e-bay account in the hope of finding Mack?

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I just thought of that also, right after I posted that last comment. And wouldn't LE be monitoring the e-bay account in the hope of finding Mack?

Prolly.

I'm wondering what Mack really looks like. From what I can ascertain, the picture flashed on the telly screens looks like it might be a good 10 years old. :shrug: (The picture of Toogood61)

MistyMoppens

06-15-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Wonder if there's a time-delay before feedbacks are posted. :confused:

No. Feedbacks are posted in real time.

Mack's "Me" page was deleted at eBay but it's still possible to view it at google. Just enter his name and "eBay" and you'll see it. DM has an employee who deals with his eBay listings. The guy's name and photo are on his "Me" page. Check it out before it disappears.

I noticed his new positive feedbacks for the 3 rifle magazines he bought... But the person who left feedback for his buyers today must have been his employee.

Yesterday there were 285 very expensive items listed. One was a 1.2 million dollar ring. All his auctions are in the thousands of dollars. Today there are only 185 listings.

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 11:55 PM

I wonder if the pawn palace will fold, or will the Mom keep it going?

Babby~A

06-15-2006, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by MistyMoppens

No. Feedbacks are posted in real time.

Mack's "Me" page was deleted at eBay but it's still possible to view it at google. Just enter his name and "eBay" and you'll see it. DM has an employee who deals with his eBay listings. The guy's name and photo are on his "Me" page. Check it out before it disappears.

I noticed his new positive feedbacks for the 3 rifle magazines he bought... But the person who left feedback for his buyers today must have been his employee.

Yesterday there were 285 very expensive items listed. One was a 1.2 million dollar ring. All his auctions are in the thousands of dollars. Today there are only 185 listings.

I can't find it.:shrug:

MistyMoppens

06-15-2006, 11:59 PM

I just hope law enforcement is monitoring his PayPal account. Because his eBay buyers are still, in all likelihood, plowing money into that thing. And if Mack has access to a computer he probably has access to those funds.

Although, these crimes appear to be planned well in advance. He probably has cash stashed all over the place.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 12:02 AM

MistyMoppens

06-16-2006, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A

I can't find it.:shrug:

OK. Try "Darren Mack eBay" and it should come up as the third website down.

Or try "UCDEALSHERE". That should also work. I hope you get a chance to see this thing.

MistyMoppens

06-16-2006, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Did you SEE all of the stars that person gave him. Is a magazine bullets?

LOL! I know very little about guns/rifles but a magazine is a type of container that holds lots of bullets/cartridges for automatic weapons. This way a person doesn't have to load a bunch of bullets one-by-one. I usually think of assault weapons when I hear the term "magazine."

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by MistyMoppens

LOL! I know very little about guns/rifles but a magazine is a type of container that holds lots of bullets/cartridges for automatic weapons. This way a person doesn't have to load a bunch of bullets one-by-one. I usually think of assault weapons when I hear the term "magazine."

Misty, he bought 3 of those things.

MistyMoppens

06-16-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Misty, he bought 3 of those things.

Yes, I know. What do you make of that? We know he was furious with two people and apparently planning to be on the run.

He also bought 2 brochures and one owner's manual for an automatic rifle in April.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 01:03 AM

Seems like Charla had a boyfriend for the last year and a half. He wrote a message at Mack's myspace page.

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I think the friend knew what happened and just didn't say anything until Darren was out of town. Fortunately, the judge will be o.k.

I think so too.

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 08:13 AM

I just looked at DM's myspace page. All of his comments (except 1) are posted by the same person. There are comments posted by her, that were sent to her by other ppl. (you have to be on someone's friends list to post a comment).

Reading those comments, most of them sound supportive of him. :confused: I guess I just didn't expect that.

I hope it's okay to link his myspace page here. I'm sure one of the waters will let me know, if not.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17033252

2lakes

06-16-2006, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by MistyMoppens
I just hope law enforcement is monitoring his PayPal account. Because his eBay buyers are still, in all likelihood, plowing money into that thing. And if Mack has access to a computer he probably has access to those funds.

Although, these crimes appear to be planned well in advance. He probably has cash stashed all over the place.

Why hasn't ebay freezed all active auctions on this guy???

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by 2lakes

Why hasn't ebay freezed all active auctions on this guy???

I tried to pull him up on ebay and I can't find him. I wonder if they've deleted his account.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 10:26 AM

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5038999

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5038999

He was an HIV case waiting to happen.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

He was an HIV case waiting to happen.

I agree.:read:

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 12:48 PM

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=62664413

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom
I just looked at DM's myspace page. All of his comments (except 1) are posted by the same person. There are comments posted by her, that were sent to her by other ppl. (you have to be on someone's friends list to post a comment).

Reading those comments, most of them sound supportive of him. :confused: I guess I just didn't expect that.

I hope it's okay to link his myspace page here. I'm sure one of the waters will let me know, if not.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17033252
Nancy Grace told the whole world about these accounts the other night and gave us his user name. Guess the people who are still posting comments don't care that LE is also :read: them!

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=62664413
Could be...couldn't be two people with the same 'nic'. This tragedy was just so unnecessary, but that's what happens when money consumes your life. :(

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 01:28 PM

Audio of 911 calls from June 12 Courthouse shooting now available at Reno Gazette-Journal.

Reno Gazette-Journal (http://www.rgj.com/)

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 02:13 PM

it sounds like there is no money to bury Charla.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3061321.html

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Could be...couldn't be two people with the same 'nic'. This tragedy was just so unnecessary, but that's what happens when money consumes your life. :(

I think with myspace 2 people can share the same nic. You login by using your email addy and a password. (I joined just to view the pics my kids were posting).

ETA: I wonder if her boyfriend's last name was Phillips? This guy's business is "Phillips Marketing Inc". Have any of you heard?

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A
it sounds like there is no money to bury Charla.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3061321.html

I'm about to show my ignorance by asking this.. but, I would imagine they had life insurance. When something like this happens, if her husband was the beneficiary, would the money not go to the secondary beneficiary? Or is it frozen due to the murder?

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A
it sounds like there is no money to bury Charla.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3061321.html
The tragedy is componded. He probably moved the money to offshore accounts when he declared bankruptcy. Charla's family isn't mentioned in these articles, except for the statement that Reno police are in contact with her mother. Hopefully there are enough friends and good people out there to give her a decent burial.

:rose: for Charla

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I think with myspace 2 people can share the same nic. You login by using your email addy and a password. (I joined just to view the pics my kids were posting).

ETA: I wonder if her boyfriend's last name was Phillips? This guy's business is "Phillips Marketing Inc". Have any of you heard?
I haven't checked out "mark" yet, but are there two of them in the Reno area? The bodybuilder from Sparks sounds like he'd be the one who posted the message.

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

The tragedy is componded. He probably moved the money to offshore accounts when he declared bankruptcy. Charla's family isn't mentioned in these articles, except for the statement that Reno police are in contact with her mother. Hopefully there are enough friends and good people out there to give her a decent burial.

:rose: for Charla

I am so far behind... I haven't read or heard that he declared bankruptcy.. was this recently?

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I'm about to show my ignorance by asking this.. but, I would imagine they had life insurance. When something like this happens, if her husband was the beneficiary, would the money not go to the secondary beneficiary? Or is it frozen due to the murder?
If he were the beneficiary of a life insurance policy, he would not receive the funds if he is the perpetrator of her murder. The money would go to the secondary, if there is one. And it wouldn't be paid out until there is resolution in the case. I'm wondering who is taking care of their daughter now. :confused:

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I haven't checked out "mark" yet, but are there two of them in the Reno area? The bodybuilder from Sparks sounds like he'd be the one who posted the message.

I'm trying to do a search, but I can't get the search feature to load.

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I am so far behind... I haven't read or heard that he declared bankruptcy.. was this recently?
I don't have the exact date for the Chapter 7 filing, however it was mentioned on Nancy Grace and is reported at cnn.com article entitled 'Wounded judge made enemies in court'. It appears to be within the last year from the wording of the cnn.com article.

FitnessMom

06-16-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I don't have the exact date for the Chapter 7 filing, however it was mentioned on Nancy Grace and is reported at cnn.com article entitled 'Wounded judge made enemies in court'. It appears to be within the last year from the wording of the cnn.com article.

Thanks, Tobes.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

The tragedy is componded. He probably moved the money to offshore accounts when he declared bankruptcy. Charla's family isn't mentioned in these articles, except for the statement that Reno police are in contact with her mother. Hopefully there are enough friends and good people out there to give her a decent burial.

:rose: for Charla

:rose: ..... For Charla

:mad: It makes me sooo mad when these guys resort to killing their wives.

You'd think Darren's mother who is close to the little daughter would pay for a burial, when push comes to shove.

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

:rose: ..... For Charla

:mad: It makes me sooo mad when these guys resort to killing their wives.

You'd think Darren's mother who is close to the little daughter would pay for a burial, when push comes to shove.
Exactly. The money that still must be available from the "business" and his family would more than pay for Charla's burial. It is appalling that a memorial fund had to be established by her friends.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 02:54 PM

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Exactly. The money that still must be available from the "business" and his family would more than pay for Charla's burial. It is appalling that a memorial fund had to be established by her friends.

I know, as her body waits in the morgue. :mad:

ARIZONAGIRL

06-16-2006, 03:17 PM

:rose: for charla

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 05:16 PM

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/mack_dr.htm

:read:

I guess he is a bodybuilder too.:rolleyes:

MistyMoppens

06-16-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by FitnessMom

I tried to pull him up on ebay and I can't find him. I wonder if they've deleted his account.

It's still there. A new listing began today.

His User ID is: ucdealshere

MistyMoppens

06-16-2006, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by 2lakes

Why hasn't ebay freezed all active auctions on this guy???

From what I understand they're aware of the situation but don't feel it necessary to close the account. For what reasons I have no clue.

Well ottay! I guess most of the diamond buyers at eBay prefer buying them from a guy who's on the FBI's Most Wanted list. I know *I* do!

MistyMoppens

06-16-2006, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/mack_dr.htm

:read:

I guess he is a bodybuilder too.:rolleyes:

Know what, Babby? It's just my personal opinion but this so-called "swinger" is not even remotely attractive. And all the body building in the world won't help. I've found that in my personal experience - he's just really hard to look at. (shudder)

Just not my type.

ARIZONAGIRL

06-16-2006, 06:31 PM

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Know what, Babby? It's just my personal opinion but this so-called "swinger" is not even remotely attractive. And all the body building in the world won't help. I've found that in my personal experience - he's just really hard to look at. (shudder)

Just not my typey!

I agree Misty!

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 06:34 PM

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/mack_dr.htm

:read:

I guess he is a bodybuilder too.:rolleyes:
Thanks...I looked for that yesterday but the FBI hadn't posted it yet. Now he's a celebrity...:D

rph3664

06-16-2006, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by MistyMoppens

Know what, Babby? It's just my personal opinion but this so-called "swinger" is not even remotely attractive. And all the body building in the world won't help. I've found that in my personal experience - he's just really hard to look at. (shudder)

Just not my type.

Ever worked in welfare or child support? I haven't but people I know who have say that as a rule, the people who have the most unsupported and/or fatherless kids are BUTT UGLY! They don't mean just physically unattractive; they mean missing and rotten teeth, morbid obesity, eyes that don't face the same direction, have not bathed in (it seems like) years, etc. etc. etc.

He's mainly hard to look at because we know what kind of person he is, IMHO.

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 07:38 PM

Nancy Grace - no new information as to Mack's whereabouts, the nationwide manhunt continues. Mentioning possibility he went to Mexico, as Andrew Luster (and others) did, yet also believe he has several weapons with him. How would he be able to drive into Mexico with several weapons? Wouldn't one of the first things Nevada LE do is to notify LE at the border? News articles have stated his parents had businesses in Las Vegas and Arizona, which I'm sure would be monitored. Isn't it entirely possible that when he got to Sacramento, he turned the other way and headed north ?? If he has any weapons used for hunting, or camping gear, etc he could blend in more easily in the Pacific NW or Canada... :shrug:

eta - Surprised the reward is still only at $2,500. Raising it might get more people to be on the lookout for him...

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Nancy Grace - no new information as to Mack's whereabouts, the nationwide manhunt continues. Mentioning possibility he went to Mexico, as Andrew Luster (and others) did, yet also believe he has several weapons with him. How would he be able to drive into Mexico with several weapons? Wouldn't one of the first things Nevada LE do is to notify LE at the border? News articles have stated his parents had businesses in Las Vegas and Arizona, which I'm sure would be monitored. Isn't it entirely possible that when he got to Sacramento, he turned the other way and headed north ?? If he has any weapons used for hunting, or camping gear, etc he could blend in more easily in the Pacific NW or Canada... :shrug:

eta - Surprised the reward is still only at $2,500. Raising it might get more people to be on the lookout for him...

Maybe he flew in:shrug:

He will be caught:no: it's just a matter of time.

TobyTiger

06-16-2006, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Maybe he flew in:shrug:

He will be caught:no: it's just a matter of time.
That was also discussed, but he'd have to have a fake ID and airports were the first places to be watching for him. If he flew, where is the Explorer? Also, one of the first things he could have done is to switch the license plate off another silver Explorer. Toward the end of the program, it was mentioned that when he is finally located, that he could commit suicide rather than surrender, considering that his "life" is effectively over.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

That was also discussed, but he'd have to have a fake ID and airports were the first places to be watching for him. If he flew, where is the Explorer? Also, one of the first things he could have done is to switch the license plate off another silver Explorer. Toward the end of the program, it was mentioned that when he is finally located, that he could commit suicide rather than surrender, considering that his "life" is effectively over.

I think he prolly planned this out. I also think a guy in the pawn business prolly knows how to get phony ID.

CitizenOfDis

06-16-2006, 10:44 PM

While the murder and the attempted murders are reprehensible we need to recognize that he was driven to this by utterly biased and unjust divorce laws and dicorce courts.

$10,000/month in allimony is excessive. Supporting one's children is one thing, but a person should not be forced to support their ex-spouse's lifestyle. She should be required to get a job just like everyone else.

I do not know why any guys get married any more given the sad situation of divorce courts today.

Babby~A

06-16-2006, 11:09 PM

ARIZONAGIRL

06-16-2006, 11:21 PM

Are you saying that she deserved it? As a survivor of DV (Domestic Violence) I lived in total fear for my life, I left after nearly being killed! So he had to pay 10,000 a month...whoopi...He still netted 40,000 a month! NOONE DESERVES TO BE KILLED! He is a scumbag and a coward!

tiny paw-prints

06-17-2006, 04:16 AM

NevadaBusinessman Sought in Homicide, Sniper Assault on Judge - The Crime library

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0606/1301_nevada_sniper.html

RENO, Nev. (Crime Library) — In the middle of the day on Monday, June 12, 2006, shots echoed in the streets around the Mills Lane Justice Center in downtown Reno, Nevada. A window shattered at the Justice Center, and as the sounds of gunfire died away, a well-regarded but sometimes controversial figure in the Reno legal community lay fighting for his life on the floor of his office...(cont'd)

CitizenOfDis

06-17-2006, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Babby~A

Driven, pftt... no one drives you to murder..that was his selfish choice.:punch:

It was his choice. Right choice would have been to insist on a pre-nup and maybe get married in a state with more reasonable divorce laws (if such a state even exists).

My point still stands. Divorce laws/courts are biased against men, especially if they are making good money.

CitizenOfDis

06-17-2006, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by ARIZONAGIRL
Are you saying that she deserved it?

No, she did not deserve it, but neither did she deserve to be supported by him after the marriage.

Women want it both ways - they want freedom of singlehood and also financial support from a provider. Spousal support is an anachronism from the times when women usually did not have gainful employment. If she wanted a divorce she should have gotten a job, not demand he pay her $10,000 a month! It's not a point of what he can afford, but the question of why an ex-wife should be entitled to the earnings of her ex-husband. Divorce should end the marriage, not make one party the bondservant of another.

Rockford

06-17-2006, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by gibbrishclown
it is sad. There was no need to kill anyone, don't these people have any problem solving skills, you know there are people-well there is a person- that I hate so badly for his actions... but this world is huge, and there is room for both of us, although I have yet to see his purpose or value as a human being... oh I ramble...

I just don't understand why these people can't just deal with what they've got to deal with in some other fashion:shrug:

you've got to be kidding? Problem solving skills? IMO, my generation (I'm 44) raised our kids to expect everything!

They are reporting here in Chicago, that this guy was a person who couldn't handle being told the word, "NO!" He wanted things HIS way or forget it.

If we keep this up with raising kids of the next generation, what the hell will they do when they are told that they can't have it their way....that life isn't fair, and the world doesn't "owe" them a dang thing? :shrug:

rph3664

06-17-2006, 09:46 AM

I don't believe that men are obligated to support their ex-wives, but they ARE obligated to support their children!

The child support guidelines are usually around 25% of income, and heck, he probably spent $10,000 a month on hookers, drugs, etc. You would think he could give some of that up for his KID?

naw

If he's still living, he's going to lose EVERYTHING, FOREVER.

I realize that divorce takes two, but I'm not sympathetic regarding divorced men. The ones who complain the most about paying support, and the ones who claim they didn't see it coming, are generally the ones who treated their wives and children very poorly during the marriage, and in many cases even intended to do this going into the marriage so they would be divorced dads - i.e. playmates, not real fathers.

:flamemad:

These men are the most surprised when the marriages fail and the children want nothing to do with them.

Rockford

06-17-2006, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by rph3664
I don't believe that men are obligated to support their ex-wives, but they ARE obligated to support their children!

The child support guidelines are usually around 25% of income, and heck, he probably spent $10,000 a month on hookers, drugs, etc. You would think he could give some of that up for his KID?

naw

If he's still living, he's going to lose EVERYTHING, FOREVER.

I realize that divorce takes two, but I'm not sympathetic regarding divorced men. The ones who complain the most about paying support, and the ones who claim they didn't see it coming, are generally the ones who treated their wives and children very poorly during the marriage, and in many cases even intended to do this going into the marriage so they would be divorced dads - i.e. playmates, not real fathers.

:flamemad:

These men are the most surprised when the marriages fail and the children want nothing to do with them.

And this guy expected things to go HIS way. He couldn't handle being told what to do! So blowing up a judge, (if he hadn't shot him first) and killing his ex-wife is going to solve his problems?

This guy will be caught. You can count on that! And then we will be treated to watching his trial and his whining about how badly he was treated.

I hope he does us ALL a favor and kills himself before he's apprehended.

ARIZONAGIRL

06-17-2006, 12:26 PM

No, she did not deserve it, but neither did she deserve to be supported by him after the marriage.

Women want it both ways - they want freedom of singlehood and also financial support from a provider. Spousal support is an anachronism from the times when women usually did not have gainful employment. If she wanted a divorce she should have gotten a job, not demand he pay her $10,000 a month! It's not a point of what he can afford, but the question of why an ex-wife should be entitled to the earnings of her ex-husband. Divorce should end the marriage, not make one party the bondservant of another
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You must be a man! So if he had to only pay $875.00 a month in child supprt, but he netted $40,000 a month that is okay? Guess what ? He still didn't even pay that! I believe that she was entitled to something, due to the fact there was DV involved! He was just abusing her more by using fianances as a way instead of physical abuse. So when that did not work, he killed her! What a sociopath!

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 12:53 PM

Per the Reno Gazette-Journal 06/14/06:

February 2005 the Macks filed for divorce. Charla asked for temporary primary physical custody of their daughter, interim spousal support and temporary possession of their marital home. Darren asked for temporary joint physical & legal custody of their daughter and to be awarded the home. He also offered to withdraw $100,000. from their bank account to cover the cost of their attorneys (per court records).

Weller issued his order in May 2005, saying it was best to preserve their daughter's relationship with both parents and ordering temporary joint physical custody on a week-on, week-off basis.

The judge said the non-custodial parent should pay 18% of his or her gross monthly income for child support, not to exceed $849. per month (State law capped maximum). Since Darren earned a gross monthly income of $44,000. and Charla's income was zero, Darren was required to pay child support each month.

Weller then ordered Darren to help Charla with her household expenses: $10,000. per month. He awarded Charla "temporary exclusive possession" of the home, "as long as she fully cooperates with the sale of the home." Weller made Darren responsible for paying the mortgages, taxes, lawn, gas, electric, pool/Jacuzzi, TV/satellite, insurance, water, alarm, garbage, pest control and telephone. The home was valued at $1.2 million. Darren was not allowed to enter the home without Charla's permission.

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 01:05 PM

On Friday, temporary custody of Darren and Charla Mack's 8 year old daughter was awarded to Joan Mack, with open visits available for Charla Mack's family...

Reno Gazette-Journal (http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060617/NEWS01/606170343/1002)

rph3664

06-17-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Rockford
I hope he does us ALL a favor and kills himself before he's apprehended.

I disagree. I hope he's caught because then he can talk, and chances are these aren't the only major crimes he's committed.

Babby~A

06-17-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger
On Friday, temporary custody of Darren and Charla Mack's 8 year old daughter was awarded to Joan Mack, with open visits available for Charla Mack's family...

Reno Gazette-Journal (http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060617/NEWS01/606170343/1002)

I see someone came forward to pay for the burial. Charla will be buried on Tuesday.:rose: Another sad victim of domestic violence, dead at 39.:(

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Babby~A

I see someone came forward to pay for the burial. Charla will be buried on Tuesday.:rose: Another sad victim of domestic violence, dead at 39.:(
Yes, I found her Obituary. "Beloved mother of Erika, Elise, and Jory..." It was nice of whoever wrote this to include his two children. This must be very difficult for them also.
:rose:

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by rph3664

I disagree. I hope he's caught because then he can talk, and chances are these aren't the only major crimes he's committed.
What major crimes do you believe he would be involved in? The only ones that come to mind as possibilities would be white-collar crimes, or perhaps illegal sale of firearms. :confused:

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Freshwater
Crime Library is opening a forum on this case. Crime Library has reported on this case. Check for the DARREN MACK forum at the Crime Libray (Just Scroll on down).

Thanks

Great! Thanks! :)

fdusa

06-17-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by CitizenOfDis
While the murder and the attempted murders are reprehensible we need to recognize that he was driven to this by utterly biased and unjust divorce laws and dicorce courts.

$10,000/month in allimony is excessive. Supporting one's children is one thing, but a person should not be forced to support their ex-spouse's lifestyle. She should be required to get a job just like everyone else.

I do not know why any guys get married any more given the sad situation of divorce courts today.

I worked in a law office that dealt exclusively with big money divorce cases.

Nine times our of ten, the husband did not want the wife to work.
Had the husband paid for child care, cook, laundress, cleaning service, and chauffer, he would have been paying at least $10,000 a month if not more depending on the area one lives.

Here is Texas the law works both ways. If a husband and wife enter into a divorce which ever ones contributes the most financially can have to pay spousal support as well as child support.

The laws are much more fair than they used to be, even in regards to custody of children. The mother does not automatically gain custody of the child(ren). It comes down to the best interest of the child(ren) and in most cases an attorney is appointed for the child(ren) to protect those interest.

This man made a lot of money. I have no knowledge as to whether or not he did not want his wife to work outside of the home, but it looks like she did not. Where some of the spousal support comes from is the fact that she most likely was going to have primary custody of the children and any attorney representing the best interest of those children would say that the lifestyle of the children should not change. When a state caps child support a judge most often will add to spousal support to see to it the children are provided for as they had been during the marriage.

Fair or not in anyone's eyes the laws we have on the books from state to state are much better than they were. Perfect they are not, but no one human being is perfect either.

rph3664

06-17-2006, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

What major crimes do you believe he would be involved in? The only ones that come to mind as possibilities would be white-collar crimes, or perhaps illegal sale of firearms. :confused:

While they aren't along the caliber of killing the mother of your child, they're bad enough, and yes, that's what I had in mind. And someone capable of this may very well have killed other people we don't know about. Think about it.

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by rph3664

While they aren't along the caliber of killing the mother of your child, they're bad enough, and yes, that's what I had in mind. And someone capable of this may very well have killed other people we don't know about. Think about it.
Thank you for the clarification. Along the same thought, he could have taken weapons with him to sell to a militia organization, perhaps in Washington, Idaho or another northern border state. There were also several weapons/ammunition transactions on e-bay.

Rockford

06-17-2006, 10:08 PM

this guy, IMO, isn't going to talk unless he can plea bargain.

I still say he ought to just kill himself and spare us the trial and the expense of keeping this arse in jail.

TobyTiger

06-17-2006, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Rockford
this guy, IMO, isn't going to talk unless he can plea bargain.

I still say he ought to just kill himself and spare us the trial and the expense of keeping this arse in jail.

Just a FYI - there's also discussion of the case over at the Crime Library forum, entitled "Darren Mack"...several threads are over there. :)

Rockford

06-17-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Just a FYI - there's also discussion of the case over at the Crime Library forum, entitled "Darren Mack"...several threads are over there. :)

thanks for letting me know.

TobyTiger

06-18-2006, 01:29 PM

The family court judge gunned down in his Nevada chambers Monday (June 12, 2006) has deep roots in Venango and Clarion (PA) counties.

Weller hails from Penns Grove, NJ and has made his home in Nevada's second-largest city since 1982. His late father, Charles E. Weller, Sr. was raised in Emlenton, PA and the judge stays in close contact with his local relatives, said Linda Tarr of Venus (PA), a cousin...

Family background of Judge Weller (http://www.thederrick.com/stories/06162006-5006.shtml)

TobyTiger

06-18-2006, 01:37 PM

As a family court judge in Reno, Chuck Weller decides who gets the children, who pays child support and who gets visitation rights. Because of that, a lot of people have it in for him...

Wounded judge made enemies in court (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/14/wounded.judge.ap/index.html)

TobyTiger

06-18-2006, 01:42 PM

The shooting of a family court judge this week in Nevada points to an alarming phenomenon in which those involved in emotional and acrimonious cases are taking their frustrations out on the judges...

Courts Boost Security as Judge's Increasingly Become Targets (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2086555)

cocoashse

06-20-2006, 01:50 PM

TobyTiger

06-20-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by cocoashse

He made over 40 grand a month, he had a obligated to support his family.

Charla was always going to be the mother of his children, and grandmother so people need to realize its a very serious matter when you marry and have kids. She was always going to be part of Macks family.

He didn't have to get married or have kids, a choice he willingly made.
Yes, and he could have had a pre-nuptial agreement.

wadahoot

06-21-2006, 01:46 AM

Weird that the murder/shooting took place on Monday, June 12 and by Friday, June 16 someone was already placing items for sale on eBay?!

ebay link (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsassZucdealshereQQsb rsrtZd)

Nothing was listed between April 20 and then June 16
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ25QQfrtsZ75QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsassZucdeal shereQQsbrsrtZd

You can pay extra to list items at a later date, but it seems pretty weird that he would do that if he had preplanned this killing spree and disappearance!

Hummm.