General Case Discussion: OLD THREAD

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped* Originally posted by Lionthrone
While to this day the murders of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson remains a mystery, it's good to see O J Simpson back in the swing of things with his latest pay-per-view venture "Juiced"

Perhaps with this venture and with future projects, he can slowly work his was back into mainstream society and gain our acceptance :) Didn't anyone tell you? Orenthal James Simpson was found liable for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.

Who would want to pay to watch a murderer pull pranks?

Orenthal James Simpson is a double murderer who has been allowed to walk free. Mainstream society has not accepted him back and I doubt his wanting to make money off of his dead wife's story will endear him to anyone.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


fbgweezer,

Unfortunately the trail is cold after so many years.

You can chalk that up to the LAPD who pursued O J Simpson (and only, O J Simpson) :mad:

Lionthrone :) Oh I don't blame LAPD for Orenthal getting away with double murder. I blame an uneducated and biased jury and a group of amoral attorneys who were willing to sell their souls. There was no evidence of anyone else committing the murders -- not then and not in the 10+ years since the murders.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by Lionthrone
nettathirty,

You are a breath of fresh air

The timeline alone made it impossible for O J Simpson to have committed the crimes. Isn't he though? Oh wait, I was thinking hot air........:D

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone



nettathirty,

You are a breath of fresh air

The timeline alone made it impossible for O J Simpson to have committed the crimes.




Lionthrone :)


lionthrone, who claims he can't be bothered discussing the facts in this case shows his inability to understand the reality of what happened and disrespects our hero at the same time.

Simpson had well over a half an hour to drive to Bundy, less than a five minute drive from his house, kill to people and then drive back home. The facts, the witnesses, and the evidence all contradict your naive beliefs.

bobaugust

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by fbgweezer
*Snipped* Didn't anyone tell you? Orenthal James Simpson was found liable for the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.

Who would want to pay to watch a murderer pull pranks?

Orenthal James Simpson is a double murderer who has been allowed to walk free. Mainstream society has not accepted him back and I doubt his wanting to make money off of his dead wife's story will endear him to anyone.

fbgweezer,

If it's any comfort O J Simpson will not be paid for this project - He's doing it for kicks.

In regard to O J Simpson being found liable, well consider for a moment the racial make-up of the jury :rolleyes:



Lionthrone

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty
fbg,

What do you think happened, with the feet, gate and dog? I posted my theory on the gate and dog a few pages back and I don't want to waste space re-posting. I don't have a clue about the feet but from looking at the pictures of the crime scene, I can't imagine why anyone would even ask.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by Lionthrone

fbgweezer,

If it's any comfort O J Simpson will not be paid for this project - He's doing it for kicks.

In regard to O J Simpson being found liable, well consider for a moment the racial make-up of the jury He's doing it trying to change his pathetic life. He won't be doing it long -- who gives a flip about an old, fat murderer having fun by pulling crap on people on tv? Wonder if he can even grasp how pathetic that is.

Orenthal was found guilty by the evidence only. Orenthal's blood, footprints, cap, glove, hair and bronco fiber at the murder scene.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty
That's not nice! I know but I couldn't help myself. Lionthrone sounded so insincere and I didn't want you to get your feelings hurt.

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by bobaugust
lionthrone, who claims he can't be bothered discussing the facts in this case shows his inability to understand the reality of what happened and disrespects our hero at the same time.

Simpson had well over a half an hour to drive to Bundy, less than a five minute drive from his house, kill to people and then drive back home. The facts, the witnesses, and the evidence all contradict your naive beliefs.

bobaugust,

Just thought I'd briefly pop out the woodwork now that O J Simpson is once again (where he belongs) in the forefront of media and public attention with his new project.

My naive beliefs are also the belief of tens of thousands of other O J Simpson supporters.

Lionthrone :)

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


bobaugust,

Just thought I'd briefly pop out the woodwork now that O J Simpson is once again (where he belongs) in the forefront of media and public attention with his new project.

My naive beliefs are also the belief of tens of thousands of other O J Simpson supporters.

Lionthrone :) Then he'll have an audience of tens of thousands supporters - NOT.

[bandit's mom]

[------------------------------------

While to this day the murders of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson remains a mystery,

There's no mystery at all.


Perhaps with this venture and with future projects, he can slowly work his was back into mainstream society and gain our acceptance :)


I wouldn't advise holding your breath on that one.

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by nettathirty
bob,

If it were as simple as you claim, why do you continue changing the facts of this case?

Barking Dog for example?

nettathirty,

You asked why bob keeps changing the facts?

Well he does and he doesn't.

You see Bob is confronted everyday with his worst nightmare (conflicting testimony) The way to resolve that issue is to designate some facts free floating. meaning he can design a theory around each bump in the road (so to speak) and still seem credible.

In regard to the Barking Dog, you were perceptive enough to see through his usual line of bull.



Lionthrone :)

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by martin II
lionthrone

Good to see you dropping in.

one never knows what the future may hold. maby oj is trying to get his ducks in line one step at a time.
martin II

martin II,

Hello Martin the Second,

I think he's trying to do the same thing :)





Lionthrone

[bandit's mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobaugust
[B]



If the Akita had started barking about 10:20 with as both Fenjves and Storfer described, loud, wailing, persistent, then Heidstra most likely would have heard it as he was walking towards Bundy and if not him his two dogs sure would have. When Heidstra did hear the Akita start to bark he described the barking the same way as Fenjves and Storfer, "Barking like crazy" "Like he was confused and panicky" "It was very loud barking. I never heard a barking like this before. It was very strange. Very strange." "Confused, panicking, but not attacking"

Of course it was confused and panicked, but not attacking.
The dog's Master was attacking his Mistress. Had anyone
else been attacking her the dog would have torn him to
shreds. Akita's were bred as guard dogs. But even a guard
dog is confused in a situation like this.

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Not a chance! :lol:


Hello socaldiva,


We can only hope :rose:





Lionthrone

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by bobaugust

2LB 4A D8, that's interesting. I never heard that before.

Did your sister live near Bundy?

No, my sister lived "on" Bundy, but I can't remember what block. She lived in an apartment building with parking in the back off of the alley.

Is there a way to confirm this? If there is, please let me know and I will research it. Thanks!

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by martin II
If you were nearby I would down a bottle of jack daniels with you for that analysis.

martin II,

Thanks but I think I'll have a Samuel Adams :beer:




Lionthrone :)

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


bob,

If it were as simple as you claim, why do you continue changing the facts of this case?

Barking Dog for example?



nettathirty, I don't change the facts, I post them. You evidently don't know them so you think they've changed.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


bobaugust,

Just thought I'd briefly pop out the woodwork now that O J Simpson is once again (where he belongs) in the forefront of media and public attention with his new project.

My naive beliefs are also the belief of tens of thousands of other O J Simpson supporters.

Lionthrone :)


Lionthrone, You may be right, there could be tens of thousands of people out of tens of millions who are as naive and uninformed as you are.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



I'm just saying, looking at the photo someone deliberately positioned Nicoles feet underneathe the gate. OJ as the killer (NOT), but would not have had that much time to arrange the crime scene, Bob will atest to that!



nettathirty, there is no evidence that someone deliberately positioned Nicole's feet underneath the gate.

It could very well have happened either when she fell to the ground and was knocked unconscious or when Simpson sliced her throat. No expert ever testified that she was deliberately positioned, only people who fabricate fantasies try to sell that.

bobaugust

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by nettathirty
Martin II and Lionthrone

Where is Bob August, you think he's tweeking his website?



nettathirty,

Most Definitely ......ha, ha,......



Lionthrone

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


nettathirty,

You asked why bob keeps changing the facts?

Well he does and he doesn't.

You see Bob is confronted everyday with his worst nightmare (conflicting testimony) The way to resolve that issue is to designate some facts free floating. meaning he can design a theory around each bump in the road (so to speak) and still seem credible.

In regard to the Barking Dog, you were perceptive enough to see through his usual line of bull.



Lionthrone :)



Lionthrone, no not bull, common sense based on all of the witnesses who testified. The fact is that some witnesses testified to facts that contradicted other witnesses.

Fabricators indiscriminately pick and choose the witnesses they want to believe, I believe in coming to a more informed opinion based on what all the witnesses agreed on, not what they contradicted each other on.

You on the other hand offer no supported opinions only uninformed comments.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



That is 1 smart dog, OJ is dressed in dark clothes and yet the dog knew it was him.

OJ exits the rear gate, close it keeping the dog from following him.. The dog then goes out the front gate, and around to the rear of the Condo chasing OJ..



nettathirty, that's funny. You evidently don't own a dog.

Simpson's dog would have known Simpson regardless of what clothing he was wearing. Dogs use other senses other than sight to recognize their master.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


bob
you continue to belive that you are the only person that reads transcripts. GEES
martin II


martin II, well if you read them you evidently have a reading comprehension problem since you get so many things wrong.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by martin II

someone had to open the gate for ron after oj put the dog out and closed it. If that is what he did. so who opened the gate for ron?
martin II

I find it hard to believe that Nicole would let OJ put Kato out. I was always under the assumption that Ron let himself in. Little did Ron know what was in store for him when he did that.

JMO and MOO!!

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


NETTA

he also opened the front gate from the outside, came back in tracked his paws in blood and went back out down to dorothy and the alley making tracks.
martin II


martin II, funny.

No the Akita didn't open the front gate, Ron Goldman did when he arrived and yelled at Simpson.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


Martin II

More like 10 minutes.. bob, said Oj arrived at Bundy around 10:30p and Heidstra heard the gate clang about 10:40p!


nettathirty, closer to over 30 minutes.

Lionthrone was questioning the time line. Simpson's Bronco was not at his house at 10:25 when Allan Park arrived. Allan Park saw Simpson walk into his house at 10:55.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Martin II and Lionthrone

Where is Bob August, you think he's tweeking his website?



nettathirty, actually you got it right, I did update "Updated Simpson News"
http://www.bobaugust.com/updatednews.htm

bobaugust

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by bobaugust




Lionthrone, no not bull, common sense based on all of the witnesses who testified. The fact is that some witnesses testified to facts that contradicted other witnesses.

Fabricators indiscriminately pick and choose the witnesses they want to believe, I believe in coming to a more informed opinion based on what all the witnesses agreed on, not what they contradicted each other on.

You on the other hand offer no supported opinions only uninformed comments.

bobaugust,

Just admit that you're fast friends with speculation and conjecture and I'm sure we'll all be satisfied




Lionthrone :)

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


Bob,
Lionthrone explained you don't change the facts, you merely tweek them to fit your fantasy!


nettathirty, no I don't have any fantasies. I may speculate what happened but I use witness testimony to support my speculation.

I don't tweak facts, I post what witnesses actually say.

bobaugust

[bandit's mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nettathirty
[B]


That is 1 smart dog, OJ is dressed in dark clothes and yet the dog knew it was him.

Not a dog owner I take it? Dogs know their owners whether
they can see them or not. Certainly the way you are dressed
has no bearing whatsoever on your dog's ability to recognize
you.

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by martin II


BANDIT'S MOM
Do you think oj was in the front yard at the same time the Akita was?
martin II

It would seem so.

[bandit's mom]

Watching what? I have assumed that OJ knocked, rang the bell,
whatever and when she answered he attacked her. I assume
the dog got out at that time. The other option would be
that she let the dog out into the gated front patio, just
as I sometimes do with my own dog, to do his business. OJ
could have attacked when she opened the door to let the
dog in or out. OTOH, he could have simply knocked. Obviously
there's no one alive to tell us exactly how it went down. What's
your point?

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by nettathirty



bandits mom


Lets say you had moved on with your life, from your "abusive husband", who had on numerous occasions threaten your life. Without warning he shows up in the middle of the night with dark clothing, cap and gloves on in Southern California. Would you not be suspicious of him?

First of all, even as someone who gets up at 4:30 A.M. I don't
consider 10:30 at to be the middle of the night. Second, I don't
know whether she saw OJ or not. She could have simply
been letting the dog in or out when he attacked her. He may
have even known that it was a pattern for her to let the dog
out at a certain time. I have no idea.

And, assuming it didn't happen that way, assume she opened the
door and there stood OJ dressed in cap and gloves, what
makes you assume she wasn't suspicious? Maybe she
asked him what the hell he was doing. Maybe she tried to
slam the door on him. Maybe she just assumed he was spying
on her again and angrily stormed out to confront him.
I fail to see how you, or any of us for that matter, can
know the exact circumstanced. I don't claim to, but there
is nothing I've seen or heard that has even made me doubt
that OJ is the cold blooded murderer the majority of the country
obviously believes him to be.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


A PARK
Thats the guy that saw oj comming towards the house from between the two cars parked in tha yard. right?
martin II



martin II, no that's the guy that saw Simpson come into the entranceway of his house where the driveway starts, enter the front door and lights come on in the house.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


bob
so which VERSION are we to belive the one of six months ago or the one next week.

i guess it is a floating theory/ work in progress.
martin II


martin II, you're confused again.

The Updated Simpson News is about what Simpson is doing today. It has nothing to do with what he did when he committed the murders.

Click on the link and you will know what I'm talking about.
http://www.bobaugust.com/updatednews.htm

bobaugust

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by socaldiva
You, Martin II, & Nettathirty seem be fast friends with pure fantasy ;)

socaldiva,

While Bob does seem to have a great deal of insight into this case, he does resort to speculation and conjecture, and on occasion he's outright mendacious (especially where there's conflicting testimony)

While it's more mischievous than anything else (and I don't believe Bob would lie out of malice) he should be held accountable for any misleading statements he makes :patriot:




Lionthrone :)

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


socaldiva,

While Bob does seem to have a great deal of insight into this case, he does resort to speculation and conjecture, and on occasion he's outright mendacious (especially where there's conflicting testimony)

While it's more mischievous than anything else (and I don't believe Bob would lie out of malice) he should be held accountable for any misleading statements he makes :patriot:




Lionthrone :)



Lionthrone, if you think I've made a misleading statement simply point it out. If it's misleading, I'll change it.

But I don't believe I've made any misleading statements, and I don't lie. I don't try to deceive. Most everything I say is supported by the evidence and witness testimony. The fact is that you evidently don't know what witnesses said so you may think I'm being mendacious, but I'm not, you're just confused and uninformed.

bobaugust

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by bobaugust
Lionthrone, if you think I've made a misleading statement simply point it out. If it's misleading, I'll change it.

But I don't believe I've made any misleading statements, and I don't lie. I don't try to deceive. Most everything I say is supported by the evidence and witness testimony. bobaugust


bobaugust,

It's just a general statement of fact which I'm pointing out and which other posters have noticed as well (and they're here all the time)



Lionthrone :)

[alien]

To all you Mom's and soon to be Moms....


HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!!!!

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

for me here is the issue

bob says oj arrived at bundy at about 10:30 and this is when he put the Akita out the gate. ron arrived very close to this time. look at ron's time line from when he got off from work until he arrived at bundy. ron had to be near the condo on bundy. i assume when the dog was wondering around.

three witnessese one that lives next to nicloe, one that lives in the alley, and one that lives on the corner of dorothy and the alley say they remember hearing the dog barking anywhere from 10:15 to 10: 20/10:28 and the barking was comming from the alley or near the alley and dorothy.

so the dog out the gate at 10:30
people hear barking starting from 10:15 --10:28

you figure
martin II

Hey Martin, I remember there being some issues about the times being estimated. If those people were absolutely sure of the time, I would have to believe them. Did they hear the dog just barking as any dog is prone to do or did they hear the sad wailing sound?

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by martin II
Most of America developed their opinions about this case from media TH.

ps: who do you think composed the muder scene that night?

martin II,

The white media orchestrated and formed the opinion most americans adopted :mad:



Lionthrone

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone



bobaugust,

It's just a general statement of fact which I'm pointing out and which other posters have noticed as well (and they're here all the time)



Lionthrone :)


Lionthrone, no it's not a general statement of fact. It's false.

If someone has a problem with what I've said all they have to do is say so and ask me and I will post the supporting testimony or evidence that I based my statement on.

Your comments were your own based on your faults not others. Anytime martin II or nettathirty has asked me about something I've answered them. You don't ask anything you just sit on the side lines and make comments that many times show you don't know what you're talking about. When you're asked something you either ignore the question or give excuses like you discussed this case so much in the past that you aren't going to get into any discussions about the details.

What do you think I said that you found misleading?

bobaugust

[bandit's mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by martin II
[B]bandit's mom

it is suggested that she MAY have opened the door to go and unlock the gate for ron to enter. if she opened the door she would have seen oj in the yard ( as oj had no idea if and when exactly she would open her door.) I don't think she would have stood there arguing with him. she would have stepped back in and slammed the door. And oj would have been forced to flee.

You don't think? But you don't know, anymore than I do. She
could have unlocked the gate for Ron and let the dog out at
the same time. OJ could have grabbed her when she let the
dog our or when she opened it planning to let him in. Or
he could have been creeping around out there and she opened
the door to see what the hell he was up to. I don't think most
people assume they are about to be murdered. Particularly
with a nutty ex who you've already caught spying on you.
More likely she'd assume he was trying to check up onher.


there was no regular routine that night because the family had returned from the dinner party.

Actually they'd returned from a school function followed by dinner
out. So, again I ask, what's your point? You think the dog
didn't need to go out and pee because the family went out
that night. Trust me, it doesn't work that way. Most of us
who have dogs, make a point to let them out before bedtime,
assuming they will be staying in overnight.



Composed the murder scene? I have no idea what that means.
I think OJ created the murder scene since he was the murderer.
I certainly don't buy any of the absurd conspiracy theories
if that's what your driving at.

[alien]

Originally posted by tazzybaby
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this is what Martin was trying to post


http://www.nbc5i.com/entertainment/9204787/detail.html


OJ truly makes me sick. I don't know how anyone could ever defend him. How could he EVER make light of his children's mothers murder and the situation he was in??????

I have seen him pretend to stab someone with a banana, make jokes about his "skills" and now this?

He make me beyond sick. This coming from a man who supposedly was going to kill himself to "be with Nicole".

I have talked about this to a lot of people. For a man who was found not guilty for this murder, you would think he would be a little more thankful and grateful and lead his life accordingly. He said after the trial that he was going to find the murderer of his ex-wife. IMO he has done no such thing. He just walks around with a cocky attitude that I find hard to believe.

Can any of the NG's care to explain this recent behaviour. There is nothing funny at all about it.

I don't remember who it was, but someone was defending him and saying that he wasn't going to do this show....but here's the proof.

I desperately need a puke icon.

[Wukong]

Bob,

Let me first say that I am not Wagner, don't confuse me with him. I don't care what Wagner said, did or theorized. The only thing we have in common is that we are both engineers and tend to analyse in order to find an answer. I am reading the testimony and posting it. I don't have a theory to support because I know that as soon as you come to a conclusion on what happened you are immediately wrong. Once you have a theory you believe to be true, you end up having to defend it and that leads to myopic vision. You also need to remember that I believe OJ Simpson is guilty. I am merely taking a second look (more like 3rd or 4th) at the times anew to see if there is anything that may have been missed.

You are correct that the times testified about are not 100% accurate and need to be verified somehow. I am posting about what I read and what I gleen from the testimony. I agreed that Stein and Fenjves should be discounted. I believe Storfer can not be off on his time by the amount your theory dictates. I think there's something wrong with Pilnak (actually this is just a gut feeling, not very engineer-like). I will continue reading testimony and posting my findings. I have not come to a conclusion on anything and am just taking a fresh look at the facts testified to.

I posted testimony from Heidstra about how long it took him to walk down the alley then extrapolated this time to determine a total. I may be wrong but then again i may not and believe this is an early time estimate and am looking for a range of time since we can't be 100% accurate. You discount what i'm doing because Wagner did the same thing and then add that we don't know what the dogs pace was. I see nothing wrong with questioning his time estimates which may or may not be correct. I am questioning all the time estimates and who made them and what, if any, motive might be behind their estimate.

Brian

[alien]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Real Estate agents don't peer into windows, nor do " plain clothes cops" :rolleyes: It didn't turn out to be either of those, now did it?

And Real Estate agents usually don't go looking at houses late at night.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Bob,

Goldmans body, were it was discovered and how it got there?


nettathirty, you can see where Ron's body was found by clicking on this link.
http://www.bobaugust.com/photo.htm

How did it get there? That's where Simpson dropped him to bleed to death after he stabbed and cut him.

bobaugust

[alien]

Originally posted by Lionthrone
LOS ANGELES - In a scene from his new candid-camera program “Juiced,” O.J. Simpson pulls a prank involving a white Bronco, drawing criticism from the family of a man he was accused of killing.

As part of the pay-per-view show, Simpson pretends to sell the Bronco at a used car lot and boasts to a prospective buyer that he made the vehicle famous, according to a segment aired Thursday on “Inside Edition.”

“It was good for me — it helped me get away,” Simpson said, referring to the slow-speed, televised police chase that preceded his 1994 arrest on charges of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman.

------------------------------------

While to this day the murders of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson remains a mystery, it's good to see O J Simpson back in the swing of things with his latest pay-per-view venture "Juiced"

Perhaps with this venture and with future projects, he can slowly work his was back into mainstream society and gain our acceptance :)


Lionthrone :)

Sorry, Lion, but he will never gain my acceptance especially with BS crap like this. It is so disrespecfull of Nicole and Ron, plus their families. I hope that anyone and everyone will be appalled by this. I truly hope that you can not find this acceptable behaviour.

I wonder how you would feel if you had a member of your family murdered and someone found something funny about any part of it.

[alien]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


fbgweezer,

If it's any comfort O J Simpson will not be paid for this project - He's doing it for kicks.

In regard to O J Simpson being found liable, well consider for a moment the racial make-up of the jury :rolleyes:



Lionthrone

What the H*LL kind of kicks is this. My God, he could at least show some respect for Nicole. And please dear God please quit bringing in the racial thing. I for one and sick to death of reading about it.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Wukong


I posted testimony from Heidstra about how long it took him to walk down the alley then extrapolated this time to determine a total. I may be wrong but then again i may not and believe this is an early time estimate and am looking for a range of time since we can't be 100% accurate. You discount what i'm doing because Wagner did the same thing and then add that we don't know what the dogs pace was. I see nothing wrong with questioning his time estimates which may or may not be correct. I am questioning all the time estimates and who made them and what, if any, motive might be behind their estimate.

Brian


Brian, no I don't discount what you're doing. You've surprised me in the past finding things in photographs that I looked at yet never saw.

I welcome your research and independent opinions especially when they substantiate what I've found and when they don't it forces me to look again at how I came to my conclusions.

Keep me advised.

bobaugust

[alien]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Oh, I'm sure OJ's been hoping for years that he could weasle his way back. He can't. He's evil & the world knows it.

I asked Mr Alien if he thought the OJ would ever admit to what he did on his death bed and Mr Alien said probably not because then he would go to jail. Bless Mr Alien's heart. I had to explain to him that a death bed confession means he is dying.....Ya know, ain't coming back again.

After that Mr Alien said he probably wouldn't anyway because he has to save his reputation. So then I asked Mr Alien what would be his memories of OJ. Was it that awesome football player, the funny Monday Night Football announcer or the actor who made movies that made us laugh. His response is that there would always be a question about if OJ did it or not. That is OJ's living legacy and will follow him to his death. I so agreed with Mr Alien.

[alien]

He make me beyond sick. This coming from a man who supposedly was going to kill himself to "be with Nicole".

I have talked about this to a lot of people. For a man who was found not guilty for this murder, you would think he would be a little more thankful and grateful and lead his life accordingly. He said after the trial that he was going to find the murderer of his ex-wife. IMO he has done no such thing. He just walks around with a cocky attitude that I find hard to believe.

Can any of the NG's care to explain this recent behaviour. There is nothing funny at all about it.

Somehow I jumped right in the middle of Tazzy's post. Not sure how that happened, but the above is my post.

Sorry Tazzy. for any confusion about your post and mine.

[alien]

Alien is off to the shower to get ready to go to work.

My final thoughts until this board becomes active again.

Lion, go away. You are the nastiest person I have ever encountered. You never discuss the case you just throw around stuff and try to incite the other NG's on this board.

Netta, you were becoming a decent person. You are a NG, but were willing to discuss the case. Along came Martin and Lion and you get nasty again. This is just my IMO.

Let's all quit with the racial BS again. The person who called 911 that night probably was just a concerned neighbor who had issues with some dude standing outside Nicole's house. The jury in the civil trial didn't make up their minds because OJ was African American. They took the time to look at the evidence and that is why they found OJ liable for the murders. Not guilty mind you to put him in prison where in my opinion he belongs, but liable.

Civil lawsuits aren't to find a person guilty, although I with they could. When my Brother was shot to death, my Mother filed a law suit to find the person who shot him liable for the shooting so she could pay for funeral expenses. No Parent ever expects to have to bury their child at the age of 17. When my Son was killed in a truck accicent, I could have filed a law suit for money. I chose not to, but believe me to this day I believe the truck he was driving was faulty in respect that the part of the truck that collasped and crushed him to death was their fault.

What I am trying to say is that civil lawsuits can find a person GUILTY, but because of the laws that person won't be punished.

And to all you NG's out there, if you find it funny or something else about OJ doing a show about the Bronco, please please go talk to someone who has lost a cherished family member and ask how they would feel. I pray to God every day that you never have to experience the death of a family member.

And in closing, I still want to hear from any of the NG's why they believe in their heart of hearts why OJ didn't do it. To borrow a line from Austin Powers....."throw me a bone." Lion suggested that there are a lot of people who believe that OJ is innocent. How come, on this board, we only see a very few. I want some explanations. I didn't base my guilty theory on anything but what the evidence showed. Try to give me a reason to change my opinion to yours.

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by alien
And please dear God please quit bringing in the racial thing. I for one and sick to death of reading about it.

alien,

Sorry but the O J Simpson trial and race, will forever be entwined :)

There was a special last year on television regarding the O J Simpson trial and Race (a summary of the show is still available at the PBS website)

You might want to take a look or even purchase a DVD of the show




Lionthrone :)

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


bob

wrong
that is where k2 slung rons body to.
martin II


Martin II, wrong, that's where the aliens from outer space planted Ron's body after they shoved Nicole under the gate just in case she wasn't really dead after they slit her throat. Oh yeah, they also drained the blood from her body and poured it on the walkway and when they killed Ron he didn't have any clothes on so they dressed him with the clothes he was found in even though the cuts they made on his clothing didn't match up with the cuts on his body.

These aliens from outer space were smart enough to know that they could fool most of the intelligent people it was just those pesky dumb people who weren't fooled. They sure fooled me but I bet they didn't fool you, right?

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty


Bob,

It was speculated that Goldman was attacked and killed on the walk way. His body was found on the alcove, it appeared he was placed in the alcove after his death!


nettathirty, speculate all you want, the fact is that Ron was found where Simpson left him to bleed to death.

bobaugust

[Wukong]

Socal,

They are getting this from Wagners site, evidence of this is Martin calling the "heaver" K2. You know they could not come up with this themselves because they do no studying. The reason Wagner theorized this scenatio is because of the blood flow on the tiled walk (where Nicole lay) that leads to the sidewalk in front of the house. Wagner has an overhead photographic view of the bloodflow taken after the bodies were removed. He overlayed his own drawings over the blood that outlined different areas. He saw things in the blood the same way people see Jesus' image on a potato chip.

Wukong

[alien]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Why you never say this to your fellow G's when they attack the criminal jury, and make the same claim of race!

Netta, the race thing had kind of died off on this board until Lion makes his grand appearance. It was more in regards to OJ standing outside Nicole's house that I was talking about.

[alien]

Originally posted by socaldiva
Sending thanks to Hotwater & Deepwater for leaving this board up :seeya:

Yeah, I thought is was going to be closed down. I will keep reading and posting.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by socaldiva

If Orenthal came through the Bundy gate, perhaps he purposely let the dog out as he entered.

I don't think so socal because I don't think that OJ came through the Bundy gate and if he did, what did he expect Kato to do? Take off running scared never to return? I think that it would have backfired on OJ and Kato would have whined and probably would have started barking. Did OJ want to bring that much attention to himself? I don't think so.

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by socaldiva

I've always thought OJ snuck down from the alley too, but I could see him thinking he would just open the gate & Kato would just run out wanting to go for a spin in the neighborhood. Most dogs love getting out & running off for a bit. imo

I'm sorry if I missed your post about this, but how do you think Kato got out?

IMO, Kato got out through the Bundy gate which was left open when Ron Goldman showed up.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

what do you think the statement "person of this description" standing on the side walk means. does that translate to "black man" that does not belong in this neighborhood must be commiting a crime?
martin II

It certainly didn't translate into "black man" for me. And even if it did for you, what does it have to do with anything about the murders. So some neighbor sees someone standing outside Nicole's condo and calls the police. That neighbor makes the statement "person of this description". How do any of us know what that neighbor meant by that and again what the heck does if have to do with the murders and the trial.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

i suggest you read the witnesses testimony and then decide who you belive
martin II

Did that. Didn't see anyone say with a really specific certainty that they knew the exact time. Did I misread or misunderstand something?

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

many gs have attacked the mostly black jury in the criminal trial as being the only reason oj was found not guilty. yet when lionthrone mentions the all white jury in the civil trial you seem to
be critical of his statement. why is that?
martin II

Because IMO, lion is one of the most annoying people I have ever come across on this and any other boards. He pops in and out like some kind of bunny with his comments, but he never seems to really want to discuss the facts about the case. He throws crap out to see if it will cause an uproar and IMO it most certainly does. You and netta seem to forget what the actual subject is at hand on this board and start with snide comments and act like lion is some kind of hero.

Just remember everything I have posted is my opinion.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

you skipped over my question.
do you get upset when some gs claim that oj was set free because the mostly "BLACK JURY" SET HIM FREE BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK?
martin II

I am going to revert back to being an immature 4 year old with a Nanny Nanny Boo Boo....attitude and will say to you, I will answer your questions when you answer mine. Give me one single shred of something that could make me change my mind about OJ's guilt. Something tangible so explain away all the evidence that was at Bundy (and other places). And please don't bring up Vannatter and that vial of blood, because it won't wash for me.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II
bandits mom

Nicole had set up her house with lit candles and she had drawn her bath water. Which it is logical to assum that she had plans to relax in. And retire after her bath.Some have said she planned to do this with ron. I don't know if that was her intention or not. but i don't think she was then planning to go back out with the dog.

The dance recital and dinner did not constitute a normal evening
for Nicole and the kids and oj had no way of knowing who was in the house visiting her and the children after dinner.

If you read back some of the testimony/post, you will see that Nicoles body was found by LE with her legs tucked under a stationary fense/gate (looking to the left if you are looking towards the condo)
The question is, how did her legs get tucked into this position?
MARTIN II

Can I ask in a polite kind of way what the deal is with Nicole's legs? Who knows what happens to a person's body when it is dying. Maybe it was a "knee jerk" reaction. And no pun is intended.

How do we know that kind of evening was normal for Nicole and her kids. Maybe after her bath she would take Kato out for his last "bathroom run" for the night. And didn't OJ call the house to talk with his daughter and would know that no one was in the house but Nicole and her children.

[Wukong]

Originally posted by martin II

wukong
i put the k2 in my post to see who had actually read wagner
as opposed to joining bob in his argument with wagner.
nothing wrong with examining every theory is there?
i don' t believe wagner was some nut.
martin II

Martin,

I think it is very important to examine every theory. I don't think Wagner was a nut either. He has a lot of excelent information on his site and I can appreciate all the work he put into it. I just don't happen to agree with his conclusions as to what happened.

Nicole's legs under the gate is one example of Wagner making much out of nothing. Her legs could very easily have ended up there as she was in the throes of death and kicking her legs involuntarily. I really see no reasonable explaination for someone to push her legs under the gate.

On the subject of Nicole's neighbor Colby, who called the cops on OJ, and his testimony about "A person of this description" it was obvious from reading his testimony he meant a black man. It was quite obvious if you read the questions from the attorney who kept trying to get him to say this. The witness seemed willing to admit it but kept getting stopped by objections and the judge himself. The only reason I posted this originally was because I thought it interesting. I didn't mean to start a rase discussion.

Wukong

[Wukong]

Above I wrote about how important I feel it is to read everything about this case. I was recently re-reading Joseph Bosco's website. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Bosco and believe him to be truthful in what he says about this case. He was in the courtroom almost every day of the trial, was involved in behind the scenes investigations and wrote a book on the subject. I found these two paragraphs, from his website in 2004, interesting:

"Following the money" is a good idea in any investigation. We did and we learned almost everything we needed to know, in time. For starters, follow: "R & R Entertainment," or many derivations of "R & R." There are literally dozens of such fictitious dba's registered to Simpson and Kardashian, that include nonexistent agents and partners with nonexistent phone numbers and street addresses. Mr. Simpson and Mr. Kardashian were apparently involved in lucrative, illegal activity for many years, mostly involving pornographic film production and distribution, and sports gambling. I wish you easier hunting than I had; the records at the county courthouse were not digitized or even microfiched when I went through them day after day in the late 90's."

"Don't let the physical evidence be the basis for concrete theories. As most of you know, I learned my forensics under Dr. Henry Lee. The Bundy crime scene, like almost all of the case, is not what it seems to be, on several different levels, mostly by design, but a significant part is due to the vagaries of bad luck and timing. That crime scene was not only tampered with, different people tampered with it at different times and for very different reasons. That was one busy crime scene BEFORE the police arrived "officially." Consequently, tread lightly when you swear by the physical evidence of that night unless you really understand the case long before it came down to that goddamn bloody shame."


This is also a very interesting statement from Joe Bosco:

"For the first time publicly I will say this much: At least half of my work on the case I have not published anywhere, by choice, yet."

http://josephbosco.com/2004_11_01_archive.html

Interesting reading.

[Wukong]

Socal,

Bosco never said OJ is innocent. His claims of crime scene tampering has nothing to do with Lab testing. A lab can only test what is collected and provided to them. I don't understand your statement that you are doubtful of him because of Henry Lee? Bosco is a writer, not a criminologist, so studying under Lee is just him learning some forensics and how to look at a crime scene, he is not a forensic scientist. Henry Lee is no dummy and although he got some things wrong in the OJ case he is still a respected forensic scientist. A lot of what Lee got wrong had to do with the prosecution not wanting him to be involved in the case. They did everything in their power to undermine his investigation.

My motive for posting about Bosco was to get people here to look at everything about the case and not just what has been published. There was certainly much more going on in this case than what was in the media, the trial and in books. There is still many details that many people on both sides of this case don't want revealed.

Wukong

[Hotwater]

Happy Mothers Day to all!

--Hotwater

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by socaldiva
I lost a lot of respect for Lee after his participation in the Simpson case & I've seen him afterwards seeming befuddled in other cases.

I don't have a problem looking at a variety of information, regardless of it's source. I will read more from the link you provided. Thanks.

socaldiva,

Sometimes you are so full of it :mad:

The guy is the Charlie Chan of forensic sciences.

He's a fellow of the american academy of forensic sciences and a contributing editor for the board of forensic sciences. he's brilliant by all accounts, and the prosecution team tried to hire him but the dream team got the drop on him.

If he had testified for the prosecution team you'd revere him to this day :mad:

"Theories like fingerprints....Everybody has them" .....Dr. Henry Lee


Lionthrone :)

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by martin II
lionthrone

unbelievable that some can be led like sheep without knowing it.

martin II


martin II,

Well I would never describe socaldiva as a sheep, but If she is one she's a Bighorned Sheep (They're known for head-to-head combat) :eek:



Lionthrone :)

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by socaldiva
As another poster posted out, you only come here to dish out your derisive comments. Nothing germain to the case itself.

I thought a while back you posted that you don't come here anymore because you've found another spot with "more enlightened posters"? I guess they are all busy today :lol:

socaldiva,

Actually I don't generally post over the weekend, but with a flood watch in the area (3-6 inches of rain expected) It seemed like a good time to post on the CTVMB's.

Question: Are you so territorial that you feel threatened by my presence :shrug:


Lionthrone :)

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by socaldiva
I'm not the least bit "threatened" by your presence. Your lack of knowledge & insight into this case preempts that ;)

YOU are the one that said you had "more enlightened posters" elsewhere to post with, yet here you've been for several days now. I find it laughable.

socaldiva,

I go where the action is :cool:

As for my lack of knowledge, I know more about this case than you'll ever know.

If you were around when the going was good, you'd know that
:patriot:


Lionthrone

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


socaldiva,

I go where the action is :cool:

As for my lack of knowledge, I know more about this case than you'll ever know.

If you were around when the going was good, you'd know that
:patriot:


Lionthrone



Lionthrone, you may think you know more but I doubt it. I've never seen you post anything that supports that claim.

It sounds to me like your knowledge about this case is limited to what you learned from the criminal trial and you're as stunted as other posters who have ignored all of the new information and evidence that was learned from the many depositions and the civil trial testimony.

Anyone can claim anything but unless they back them up they're not believable.

bobaugust

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by bobaugust
Lionthrone, you may think you know more but I doubt it. I've never seen you post anything that supports that claim.

It sounds to me like your knowledge about this case is limited to what you learned from the criminal trial and you're as stunted as other posters who have ignored all of the new information and evidence that was learned from the many depositions and the civil trial testimony.

Anyone can claim anything but unless they back them up they're not believable.


bobaugust,

Because of an absolute victory in the criminal trial, and O J Simpson's dogged refusal to pay out a single dime, I'm quite satisfied and quite resolute to just sit back and take pot-shots at the guilties.


Lionthrone

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone



bobaugust,

Because of an absolute victory in the criminal trial, and O J Simpson's dogged refusal to pay out a single dime, I'm quite satisfied and quite resolute to just sit back and take pot-shots at the guilties.


Lionthrone



Lionthrone, sure you do, being the hypocrite you are.

I believe you've already admitted to the fact that just because Simpson was acquitted doesn't mean he didn't commit the crime. The fact that another jury found him responsible for the murders after he was proved to be a liar and a killer makes your "absolute victory" a sham.

Your so called pot-shots are meaningless since you can't argue the evidence.

Your claim of knowing more about this case than socaldiva will ever know is ridiculous and false. The only thing you seem to post about is race. You haven't and evidently can't argue the truth of these murders without looking foolish because you are so uniformed. So you simply use excuses to avoid it. Good job.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


socaldiva,

Sometimes you are so full of it :mad:

The guy is the Charlie Chan of forensic sciences.

He's a fellow of the american academy of forensic sciences and a contributing editor for the board of forensic sciences. he's brilliant by all accounts, and the prosecution team tried to hire him but the dream team got the drop on him.

If he had testified for the prosecution team you'd revere him to this day :mad:

"Theories like fingerprints....Everybody has them" .....Dr. Henry Lee


Lionthrone :)



Lionthrone. Charlie Chan of forensic sciences says things more like Inspector Cluso.

Lee saw other shoe prints at Bundy when he visited there on June 28, 1994 and the defense tried to argue that someone else was there during the murders. Until the prosecution produced crime scene photographs taken the morning after the murders showing the exact place Lee saw the prints and they weren't there then.

Lee saw other shoe prints in photographs of the crime scene taken after the murders and the defense again tried to argue that someone else was there during murders. Until the prosecution showed that those shoe prints were imbedded in the cement when the walkway was poured.

Lee continues to this day to make misstatements about the evidence in this case.


Another City, Not My Own, Dominick Dunne

"Did I ever tell you this?" asked Harvey Levin. "About two weeks before the trial started, I was in Shapiro's office in Century City. This was before Johnnie Cochran took over. Shapiro was still in charge. He did the same sort of thing with me that he did with Jeffrey Toobin, when he leaked to Jeffrey the stuff about Detective Mark Fuhrman's racism. He was playing cutesy. I was asking him questions about the defense strategy, and he said, 'I would never be a source, but if you should happen to see anything in my office.'

He took a sign and turned it around. There, in a child-like spidery handwriting, were three possible defense strategies. Number One: OJ didn't do it. Number Two: Contamination of the evidence, Number Three: Conspiracy to frame.

That part was all fine, but I said something like, "Is that Dr. Lee's handwriting?' and Shapiro said, because I apparently wasn't supposed to have seen the signature, "That's not what I was showing you,' and then he kicked me out of his office."

bobaugust

[Wukong]

Originally posted by martin II
*Snipped*
i have always wondered if bosco will name some killers othet than oj. The gambling issue does fit smack into wagners theory of motive. I can deal with some of wagner because he is detailed and does give options for the reader in his presentation. The motive he gives for people wanting Nicole dead is very beliviable for me.
martin II

Martin,

Bosco is not going to name other killers as far as I know. He has never said OJ is innocent, only that others were involved before and after the murders. Where do you think Wagner got the idea from? I don't find his reason for why people wanted Nicole dead very compelling. I have not read Wagner's theories in many years but I don't recall any options in the basic hypothesis.

Wukong

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by nettathirty

Bob,
Ron was killed on the walkway, and "heaved" to the alcove! Do you have a theory on this, Bob?

How totally disrespectful to Ron Goldman! Sounds like he was nothing more than a sack of potatoes to you! "Heaved!" GMAFB!

JMO and MOO!!

:cuss: :rolleyes: :cuss:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by martin II

2l8

so how could ron let himself in if oj grabbed Nicole as she was going from her front door to the gate to unlock it for ron to let himself in when he arrived? the gate would still be locked.
martin II

IMO, the front gate was not locked; only closed shut.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by martin II

<snipped>

If you read back some of the testimony/post, you will see that Nicoles body was found by LE with her legs tucked under a stationary fense/gate (looking to the left if you are looking towards the condo)
The question is, how did her legs get tucked into this position?
MARTIN II

Ok, I am only going to post this once, so get your reading glasses on. I will try to make a long story short. I worked with this gal. She was younger than me. She was a single Mom and was having a real tough time. She lived from paycheck to paycheck. Everyone knew that something had to be definitely wrong if she didn't come to work on payday. Payday was on Monday. I spent the day with her on Sunday. She looked and acted fine to me. We started work at 9:00. "Jane" wasn't there. By 10:00, "Jane" still wasn't there. No one had heard from her. I, my Supervisor and another gal headed for "Jane's" apartment. We had to get the Manager to let us in. We called out her name. No answer. We could hear water running in the bathroom, so we made our way there. The door was completely shut. We looked down and saw that all of her toes were underneath the door. We knew that she was gone. As we cried, we were trying to push all of her little toes back underneath the door, but they wouldn't budge. We didn't ask for an explanation of how that would happen.

So in closing, it does happen. If it is so important to you, I hope that you find out how that would happen.

:rose: For "Jane" ~ God Bless You! :rose:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by socaldiva
OMG 2L8, how awful. For everyone involved. I'm so sorry that happened to you & "Jane". :rose:

Thanks socal. I didn't want to bring it up, but Martin II was getting on my last nerves. Like it had never happened before and insinuating that someone intentionally had done it.

:)

[alien]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Thanks socal. I didn't want to bring it up, but Martin II was getting on my last nerves. Like it had never happened before and insinuating that someone intentionally had done it.

:)

And it just seems so disrespectful to keep brining it up. Rather like the post of Ron being "heaved" over the fence.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

netta and i, wukong fbg and others have been disscussing the details of various theories on this thread for 2-3 days ALL ABOUT THE CASE.
martin II

You know what, martin. I know that you have been discussing the case. I said that when lion comes bunny hopping in, you seem to forget about the "case" and respond to his crap that has nothing to do with the evidence of the case, etc. You post to his inane chattering with more inane chattering. If you want to believe that OJ is innocent, then please feel free to do so and post reasons for that. Don't start making comments about OJ getting his ducks in a row when it was so transparently obvious that he was making light of the deaths of his ex-wife and a poor innocent person who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Guilty or innocent, OJ should have more respect for those two people.

[alien]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


socaldiva,

I go where the action is :cool:

As for my lack of knowledge, I know more about this case than you'll ever know.

If you were around when the going was good, you'd know that
:patriot:


Lionthrone

Than good Lord, child, share that wealth of information with us "unenlightened" people. Give me on good solid piece of evidence that will make me go "HMMM", I never thought of that. It would explain away all the evidence to proves that OJ did do it.

Don't be shy. Show us how much you know.

[alien]

Originally posted by socaldiva
Hi Alien :seeya: I tried sending you a PM twice, but your box is full. I hope you have a great Mother's Day. :rose:

Opps, Sawwy....

I cleared messages out.

You have a most wonderful Mother's Day yourself. I am praying for good weather here so Mr Alien and I can have our barbecue with friends.

:rose:

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II

2l8

sorry to hear about your friend.

your experience with her case has nothing to do with how nicole's body was found imo
martin II

How can you say that with such certainty?

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

In a response to Tazzy i stated that if i were oj i would find other
things to do with my time other this diddy.

my reason for saying this is that from reports this pay for view event is just some kind of a cheap way of making some money for the promoters not oj.

on the other hand it can be seen as a way for oj to judge the publics acceptance of him and or the show. If the show is successful, i would think oj would be interested in doing something else along thses lines or something with a more interesting plot.

Therefore my comments about getting his ducks in line.
I don't hold it against you if you find fault with my comments.
there is nothing i can do about that.
martin II

Your comments are your opinions as are all of ours. I do agree with you that OJ should find other things to do with his time. However, if he wants to do this kind of show, more power to him I suppose because it is all the rage now. Do you honestly believe that OJ won't make any money off this venture? IMO, if he continues to do things that make light of the deaths of Nicole and Ron, I don't think the public will be very accepting. Would you accept that kind of horrible behaviour from him?

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


two people found dead in two different places for two different reasons by different killers. that is my opinion.
matin II

Death is death no matter who, where or what.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


i have no idea as to the arrangement of the promoters and oj.as it is none of my business. i don't know how the public will receive this pay for view piece.

i would never object to a person making a living regardless if i liked them or not.
in your case you can just not watch the program when it is on.i guess.
martin II

Well I certainly wouldn't object to a person making a living either regardless if I like them or not. That isn't even the point. The point is that what he did was tasteless and cruel.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Can you imagine? Based on that theory your dog would never come when you call it, if they can't see you first :tongue: The NGs argue that the dog wouldn't know Orenthal dressed in camo but the neighbor who saw him stalking Nicole should have? Cochran said Orenthal in a knit cap is still Orenthal but his own dog wouldn't recognize him......hahahahahaha

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped* Originally posted by martin II
who do you think composed the muder scene that night?
martin II Orenthal James Simpson

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped* Originally posted by Wukong
He saw things in the blood the same way people see Jesus' image on a potato chip. :lol: some folks find those images in tortillas down here.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


I don't think so socal because I don't think that OJ came through the Bundy gate and if he did, what did he expect Kato to do? Take off running scared never to return? I think that it would have backfired on OJ and Kato would have whined and probably would have started barking. Did OJ want to bring that much attention to himself? I don't think so.

JMO and MOO!! I don't think he'd thought about Kato -- remember, Kato was Orenthal's and Nicole's dog. Orenthal testified to coming by to pick up/drop off the dog on occasion. Kato was probably confused when Orenthal attacked Nicole and that would have started the incessant barking. I do have one question -- When Heidstra said he heard the "Hey, hey, hey." -- had the barking already started?

I think Orenthal could very possibly have come through the front gate (using the set of Nicole's missing keys) and left it unlocked -- which is how Ron was able to walk in on the attack. As the NGs like to say, anybody would recognize Orenthal and I'm sure Ron did.

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped* Originally posted by Lionthrone
The guy is the Charlie Chan of forensic sciences. I agree with this -- Henry Lee does remind me of Charlie Chan -- of course Charlie Chan was make believe and his conclusions were also scripted.

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by socaldiva


I think the majority don't have a question as to whether or not he did it. They will simply remember him as a pathetic man that beat & murdered his wife & got away with it due to celebrity & moronic jurors.


I couldn't agree more. I know plenty of people who don't share my views on many subjects, but I don't personally know
one single person that doesn't believe, without any doubt,
that OJ is a murderer.

[bandit's mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lionthrone
[B]

alien,

Sorry but the O J Simpson trial and race, will forever be entwined :)

You mean because he was acquitted by a primarily African
American Jury based solely on the fact that he was
African American, in spite of overwhelming evidence of guilt?

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Brett Cantor owner of the "Dragon Fly Night Club", was knifed to death in Brentwood in a similar manner as the Bundy murders in Sept 1993.

The case remains unsolved.

How can this be, shouldn't there be evidence of a second person at the crime scene? I'm sure there were many murders in and around Brentwood before and after the murders of Nicole and Ron. The fact remains, that forensic evidence identified one person and only one person as being at the murder scene with the two victims -- Orenthal James Simpson. Whatever the circumstances of any other murder or any other acquaintance, business associate, etc., of anyone else, Orenthal James Simpson's forensic evidence was not found at those scene.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Martin II

The G's hang their decision on the fact that there is NO trace evidence of anyone other than OJ at Bundy. Yet, in the Cantor scenario there is NO trace evidence of anyone at the crime scene, yet Brett Cantor was knifed to death by someone? Link please to statement that there was no trace of evidence of murderer at Cantor crime scene.

[bandit's mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by martin II
[B]bandits mom

Nicole had set up her house with lit candles and she had drawn her bath water. Which it is logical to assum that she had plans to relax in. And retire after her bath.Some have said she planned to do this with ron. I don't know if that was her intention or not. but i don't think she was then planning to go back out with the dog.


Based on what? I've let my dog out, taken a bath, and then
let him back in. The courtyard was gated, she would assume the
dog was safe out there. I still don't see what any of this has
to do with OJ's obvious guilt.

The dance recital and dinner did not constitute a normal evening
for Nicole and the kids and oj had no way of knowing who was in the house visiting her and the children after dinner.

Whether it was a "normal" evening or not, he wouldn't have
known that, since they were no longer married, and no longer
responsible for answering to each other. I guess the possibility
of unexpected guests would be something any murderer could
potentially have to deal with. Perhaps he planned on looking through her window, it certainly wouldn't have been the first
time.



If you read back some of the testimony/post, you will see that Nicoles body was found by LE with her legs tucked under a stationary fense/gate (looking to the left if you are looking towards the condo)
The question is, how did her legs get tucked into this position?

Um, that's how she fell? Again, I fail to see what on earth
that has to do with OJ being the killer?

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by martin II i have no idea as to the arrangement of the promoters and oj.as it is none of my business. i don't know how the public will receive this pay for view piece.

i would never object to a person making a living regardless if i liked them or not. in your case you can just not watch the program when it is on.i guess.martin II Orenthal's financial arrangements become the public's business when he hides behind the law to not pay a judgement that he owes. Besides, we know he is not above stealing cable, what makes you think he's above taking money under the table for this? I, however, think he is only doing it to get his big ole bobble-head in front of the cameras again. He may have even convinced himself that he was abused and he was the victim in the whole thing. But, there is a majority of Americans who looked at the evidence, listened to the testimony and judged him a double murderer. And we ain't paying to watch him on tv or anywhere else.

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped*Originally posted by nettathirty
NO trace evidence of the killer was found at the Cantor crime scene, does that suggest there was NO killer? Link to this statement please

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by martin II
i belive that nicole definately knew that ron was comming over the night of the murders after he got off from work.
martin II The question is not whether she knew he was coming over -- of course she did, she'd called him and asked him to drop the glasses off. The question is whether or not it was a definite or if it was . . . ."if it's not too late. . . '

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Martin II

Where can you order the video, I'm curious to see what's all on it? I think you can call 1-800-MURDERER and it rings at Orenthal's.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by martin II
fbg

it is suggested that it took oj only 1- 1 1/2 minutes to kill nicole and ron. he then went out the back gate to the alley to the bronco. if the time Heidestra saw oj driving away at dorothy is correct, when did oj have time to compose the crime scene?

and where are the foot prints at nicoles body to show that this was done by someone in bm shoes?
martin II Evidence proved that Orenthal James Simpson was the murderer so IF the scene was composed, then bobble-head boy had to be the one to do it.

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by martin II


the fact that you and all your friends belive oj was guilty means exactly what?

It simply backs up the opinion polls that have shown that
the American public believes, overwhelmingly, that he is
a murderer. THAT is how he will be remembered and nothing
he does is going to bring him back into the limelight, except
as an object of ridicule. While I'd much prefer he be rotting
in jail, I do take some comfort in the fact that he has gone
from being a well loved figure to a hated one and will
live his life that way.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by socaldiva


I just can't imagine why he would choose to come through the Bundy entrance. It doesn't appear that there was any parking on Dorothy & the other street (starts with a G) is much further away. Parking on Bundy would have been much riskier than parking in the alley. Much more of a chance of being seen. imo I don't know where he parked but I'm guessing a side street. However, using his history of stalking, I do believe he walked on Bundy to the front of her house and unlocked the gate. I think Nicole heard something out there and stepped out to investigate. I think Orenthal attacked her and Ron walked through the gate at that time.

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by martin II
Heidstra first heard the dog barking when he was at bundy/gorham that is why he retreated into the alley and walked down towards dorothy.



October 25, 1996 Robert Heidstra

Q. Now, when you were sitting there, or standing there with your dogs at the alley opposite Nicole's condominium and you heard the dogs barking, did you then hear anything else?
A. Because -- yeah, but it was around about a minute there, all of a sudden, when the dogs keep barking, I heard the first voice, a clear voice, saying, "Hey, hey, hey," for three, four times So sounds like Kato didn't start barking until the attack on Ron. So Kato didn't bark until the stranger walked up. Hmmm

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped* Originally posted by martin II
"For what purpose?" Petrocelli asked. Fischman stated under oath that Ms. Simpson told her directly that she, Resnick and a man engaged in sex together. Fischman had disclosed during a television interview before the criminal trial started that Resnick and Ms. Simpson had had a sexual relationship. How pathetic you are -- a drug addict and a **** who was sleeping with the bag boy from the corner grocery. If you want to prove your point, give backup to their stories.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


The majority of americans base their opinions on what the nedia teaches them they should believe. They have been wrong so many times. The majority of americans thought it was a good idea for Bush to invade IRAQ. Then.


Well you don't know if people will watch the pay for view tv or buy
the dvd now do you? you are just wishing and hoping everyone feels like you right?
martin II

I would like to think that the majority of Americans base their opinons on their common sense. You say they have been wrong so many times, but only give one instance.

I don't know how many people post on this board, but I know of only 3 of you (martin, netta and lion) who believe OJ is guilty. Who has the majority going on?

[fbgweezer]

Originally posted by martin II


You belive faye when she talks about oj abusing nicole not when she talks about nicoles activities.

look it seems that everyone i this little friendship circle,was doing extra duty so to speak.

the back up is listed at the top of the post.

civil trial
PETROCELLI questioning Cora F. You've never seen me refer to anything Faye said as being credible. I don't think you can take as credible information from a junkie. And remember, it was Nicole that was part of the intervention. As far as Cora, she was sleeping with the grocery boy and trying to get Nicole to lie and cover for her. I do not consider either of these two people to be credible.

[caphill]

Originally posted by kta


Bingo. No trace evidence OTHER THAN OJ at Bundy.

:punch:


There was many unidentified fingerprints on the wall next to Nicole's body. There was also blood under her finger nail that was not hers, Ron's or OJ's

There was a blood drop on her back that was never tested.

[bandit's mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by martin II
[B]

i have never stated that oj was guilty.

you will have to think of other times when the american public got it wrong on your own but start at the last two presidential elections.


Yes, but got it wrong by a very small minority, not he huge
majority that believes OJ is a murderer. Also remember, that trial
wasn't just on CTV. It was everywhere, everday for months.
THAT's where most people formed their opinions. Let's also
not forget that no one looked more completely shocked by
the verdict than OJ's good buddy Robert Kardashian. I can
still remember the look on his face. He couldn't believe they'd
pulled it off!

[alien]

Originally posted by alien


I would like to think that the majority of Americans base their opinons on their common sense. You say they have been wrong so many times, but only give one instance.

I don't know how many people post on this board, but I know of only 3 of you (martin, netta and lion) who believe OJ is guilty. Who has the majority going on?

WHOA!! Can we say TYPO...:o

What the Alien meant to say was that netta, martin and lion think OJ is innocent.

Sorry netta and martin if I shook ya'll up.

Can't wait to see what lion will post to my comments before he reads this disclaimer. That is, of course, if he can lower himself to visit this board of unenlightened posters.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by caphill



There was many unidentified fingerprints on the wall next to Nicole's body. There was also blood under her finger nail that was not hers, Ron's or OJ's

There was a blood drop on her back that was never tested.


caphill, There were many unidentified one of kind fingerprints found at Bundy. That's not unusual. All homes have many one of kind fingerprints found inside and outside of them. That's the reality of life, no one lives in a vacuum.

The scrapings found under Nicole's fingernails was found to be type B. Nicole had type BA blood. Greg Matheson testified that type BA blood may degrade to type B and it was his opinion that's exactly what happened. It isn't too hard to understand that when you consider the fact that Nicole's hand was found resting in a pool of her own blood.

DNA testing was conducted on Nicole's fingernail scrapings and the results were found to be Nicole's DNA.
Item No. 84, PCR testing, Nicole. 1/2,500.

There was blood on Nicole's back that was never tested before it was washed off her body by the coroner. That blood was most likely Nicole's or Ron's blood that may have dripped from the murder weapon Simpson used to kill both victims. Or possibly Simpson's blood from the cut on his finger.

bobaugust

[alien]

Originally posted by socaldiva


I've been out for the last few hours, so I'm trying to catch up here, but this post stuck out like a sore thumb.

You compare the American public looking at the evidence presented in the trial & compare that to American's electing a President that people find fault with afterwards? You might want to consider:

1) Looking at the evidence in a murder case is evaluating something that has ALREADY TRANSPIRED. Picking a President most often involves trying to PREDICT what kind of job they will do.

2) Regardless of who is elected, there are always throngs of people that criticize the job that he does.

I was trying to formulate an answer to martin's question, but hit a mind cramp. Thanks for your explanation that I agree with.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


or another persons that was dripped.


martin II, or blood from aliens from outer space that was dripped.

bobaugust

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II
alien

it appears that lionthrone's comments seems to "upset your apple
cart" so to speak. Why is that. He is expressing HIS opinions on events just as YOU are expressing yours.
martin II

Do ya think?? ;)

If you are aware from my posts that lion "upsets" me, the answer why should be contained in the posts where you came up with the idea that I am "upset".

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty




Storfer put the barking start time at 10:15p along with 2 other witnesses!


nettathirty, that's incorrect. Storfer estimated the time he heard the dog bark as 10:20. Fenjves estimated the time he heard the dog bark as about 10:15 to 10:20. Stein estimated she heard dog(s) barking about a half an hour before Karpf arrived home at 10:45. All three witnesses were in their houses.

Five other witnesses who were outside at 10:20 near Nicole's condo never heard any dog barking Two of them did hear the Akita start to bark about 10:30, 10:35.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


netta
thanks. that is what i had in my notes also.

I was looking at the bundy neighborhood via satalite over the weekend and realized that from their house (Storfers)they would be able to hear the dog from both positions. Bumdy and the position of Dorothy ST and the alley.

Also when the AKITA walked on Dorothy and made the paw prints
he was right on the side of their house.

So how could oj be at bundy killing nicole at 10:30 when the Akita
was in the street with bloody paws 10-15 minutes earlier.
The time line is off.

martin II



martin II. that's because Storfer and Fenjves were mistaken. Mandel, Aaronson, Pilnak, Telander, and Heidstra all contradicted the times Storfer and Fenjves estimated.

Heidstra is the key witnesses who tell us when the dog started to bark, when Goldman arrived at Bundy, and when Simpson left Bundy.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II

bob

Mandel and Aronson. i think it was these two. comming from dinner taking a stroll as one said , paying attention to each other,
did not notice anything. Pilnak, the time freak, was in her bathroom when she say she heard the dog barking. i don't belive her and she lived about half a block down from bundy and further from the front of nicoles condo.

telander
the black dog that heidstra say he heard barking lived in the house right next to her. i may be wrong but that is what i got from heidestras testimony. is that correct.
martin II



martin II, no you aren't correct. Telander did not live next door to where the small black dog was.

Mandel and Aaronson were not paying attention to each other any more than any two people who were walking and talking. Both testified that they saw and heard nothing out of the ordinary when they were walking home that night.

They walked right by the front of Nicole's condo shortly before 10:30 that night. They didn't see any dead bodies. They didn't see any bloody paw prints. They didn't hear any dogs barking.

Pilnak's estimated times are more supported than any other witness who testified about this event. Supported by telephone records. Pilnak and Telander were outside just down the street from Nicole's condo at about 10:20. Pilnak also told how still and quiet the night was. After Telander drove away Pilnak went back into her house and called her mother. Pilnak's telephone records show that call was placed at 10:25.

Telander testified that when she drove away from Pilnak's house she went to the intersection of Bundy and Dorothy St. to turn around. She said her car window was open.

Heidstra looked at this watch when he left his house about 10:15. When he arrived back home it was almost 11:00.

Mandel, Aaronson, Pilnak, Telander, and Heidstra never heard any dog barking on that still quiet night until after 10:30.

bobaugust

[Wukong]

Bob,

I still have problems with the time the dog started barking. I have been way to busy to finish researching this but need to get back to it. I can't see why you can discount Storfer's time of 10:20. How do you reconcile this? I have not seen you reconcile this, only discount it because he was in his house. But then you rely on Pilnak and when she heard the dog inside her house a block and a half away. I am not saying you're wrong, only that you cannot be sure about Pilnak until you have a good explaination for Storfer. To me, Storfer being in his house is not a good reason to throw out his testimony. I think that Storfer and Pilnak are the two best witnesses to the time because they both looked at clocks around the time they heard barking. Pilnak being on the phone at 10:25 doesn't prove the dog was not barking at 10:20. I still have big problems with Pilnak's testimony but need time to anylize her testimony and the time situation as a whole.

Again, I see no problem with OJ being the murderer and the dog barking at 10:20. There are explainations for this beside Pettrocelli's.

Brian

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien

i assume that you are saying that you have not been "up set" by linothrones post. i take the comment back. that is good to hear.
martin II

"Because IMO, lion is one of the most annoying people I have ever come across on this and any other boards. He pops in and out like some kind of bunny with his comments, but he never seems to really want to discuss the facts about the case. He throws crap out to see if it will cause an uproar and IMO it most certainly does."

The above is what I posted earlier. I am not sure where you get your assumption from. Did you not get the sarcastic twist of the first part of my response to your questions about lion upsetting me.

Also, his superior attitude is another deal all together.

Hope this clears up any and all confusion about how I feel about lion.

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by nettathirty



Bob,

Kato, slept with the children upstairs. Is it possible that Nicole was dead before 10:30p along with Goldman, but the dog didn't come outside until after 10:30p?


nettathirty, there is no evidence that the dog was sleeping with Nicole's children that night. That was only speculation on Wagner's part.

There is no evidence that Nicole was dead before 10:30. Mandel and Aaronson walked right by the front of Nicole's condo shortly before 10:30. They saw nothing out of the ordinary.

Heidstra Heard two male voices coming from Nicole's condo sometime between 10:30 and 10:45. From Heidstra's descriptions of those voices Heidstra most likely heard when Ron Goldman arrived at Bundy. The fact that there is only evidence of three people being at Bundy that evening, the two victims and the killer, makes that more than likely.

bobaugust

[Wukong]

Netta,

I have not speculated anything yet. If I had a preconceived notion about what happened before I complete my study that would prejudice anything I do and how I read the testimony.

Brian

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by Wukong
Bob,

I still have problems with the time the dog started barking. I have been way to busy to finish researching this but need to get back to it. I can't see why you can discount Storfer's time of 10:20. How do you reconcile this? I have not seen you reconcile this, only discount it because he was in his house. But then you rely on Pilnak and when she heard the dog inside her house a block and a half away. I am not saying you're wrong, only that you cannot be sure about Pilnak until you have a good explaination for Storfer. To me, Storfer being in his house is not a good reason to throw out his testimony. I think that Storfer and Pilnak are the two best witnesses to the time because they both looked at clocks around the time they heard barking. Pilnak being on the phone at 10:25 doesn't prove the dog was not barking at 10:20. I still have big problems with Pilnak's testimony but need time to anylize her testimony and the time situation as a whole.

Again, I see no problem with OJ being the murderer and the dog barking at 10:20. There are explainations for this beside Pettrocelli's.

Brian


Brian, Pilnak's telephone call at 10:25 does prove the dog was not barking at 10:20. Both Pilnak and Telander testified they went outside when Telander was leaving to go to her car at about 10:21. Pilnak told how exceptionally quiet and still the night was then, just as Heidstra said.

After Telander got in her car and drove off Pilnak went back into her house and called her mother. That was the 10:25 call. Telander meanwhile had her driver's window down and drove to the intersection of Bundy and Dorothy St. and turned around. Neither Pilnak nor Telander heard any dog barking.

Storfer said that the dog barking he heard was loud and persistent. No one outside at 10:20 heard any dog barking.

bobaugust

[Wukong]

Bob,

So Storfer did not hear a dog? If he did hear a dog it was not 10:20? I just cannot discount Storfers testimony as easily as you. Again, I need to look at it again. Who knows when I'll find time though. I am in the middle of designing 10 brand new products for introduction in August and am up to my azz in aligators.

Brian

[Hotwater]

...And it was going so well!

FYI kta got banned despite creative use of the keyboard. Please do not follow his/her example.

Thanks,

--Hh20

[caphill]

Originally posted by bobaugust



caphill, There were many unidentified one of kind fingerprints found at Bundy. That's not unusual. All homes have many one of kind fingerprints found inside and outside of them. That's the reality of life, no one lives in a vacuum.

The scrapings found under Nicole's fingernails was found to be type B. Nicole had type BA blood. Greg Matheson testified that type BA blood may degrade to type B and it was his opinion that's exactly what happened. It isn't too hard to understand that when you consider the fact that Nicole's hand was found resting in a pool of her own blood.

DNA testing was conducted on Nicole's fingernail scrapings and the results were found to be Nicole's DNA.
Item No. 84, PCR testing, Nicole. 1/2,500.

There was blood on Nicole's back that was never tested before it was washed off her body by the coroner. That blood was most likely Nicole's or Ron's blood that may have dripped from the murder weapon Simpson used to kill both victims. Or possibly Simpson's blood from the cut on his finger.

bobaugust


There are 4 universal blood types. A, B, AB, and O. Type A has only an A antigen, type B has only a B antigen, type AB has both an A and a B antigen, type O has no antigens.

Greg Matheson or anyone else that testifies that a B blood type is likely an AB type with an A antigen missing is suspect of giving less that accurate testimony.

The fact was type B blood was found on or under Nicole fingernails and she, Ron and OJ did not have type B blood.

Why would the A antigen degrade and the B antigen remain in an AB type? If that could happen, then you coud never trust any blood typing of anyone that had A,B,or AB blood if there was a possibly that one or the other antigen could just disappear. An emergency blood transfusion could become a fatal decision.

To say that the blood drops on Nicole's back was most likely OJ's is biased reasoning. It could have been OJ's or it could have someone elses blood. The question is why the blood was not examined. If it had indeed been fresh blood droppings from OJ with no ETDA traces, the prosecution might have been on the other side of the winning aisle.

[alien]

Originally posted by Hotwater
...And it was going so well!

FYI kta got banned despite creative use of the keyboard. Please do not follow his/her example.

Thanks,

--Hh20

Was it because of the word b***h word. I guess we all better be careful. I have never seen a moderator post a message about someone being banned.

To bad, kta was making some good points. I hope kta can reinvent with another nic.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II

not really but it does not matter. i am sure lionthorne will be able to respond if he see fit.
i just have not been able to undrstand how someone can cause you to feel any way that you donot desire to feel.
martin II

Bless your heart martin. I guess you don't understand what I am trying to say. I don't look at it as a personal attack. I said that he annoyed me. Annoyance is a personal thing. I am annoyed by lion and the things he says. I have the right to feel that way.

I used the term about him bunny hopping on this board and refering to people as unenlightened. So IMO, he is attacking anyone who makes comments. IMO that includes you and netta.

People on this board make comments based on their opinion. Most of us make comments based on what we have enlightened ourselves on by reading transcripts and reading what others have to say.

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II

alien

"unenlightened" is a word that bob uses to describe everyone here that dissagree with his theories. So, does he annoy you also.

i belive that people ALLOW others to make them feel one way or the other. Not that one person can MAKE another feel one way or the other. Good or bad.
martin II

If I am wrong, I am wrong so let me know if you think I am wrong. Lion never gives any insight into why he thinks we are unenlightened and he never explains why he thinks OJ is innocent. He just throws out stuff to cause chaos and stuff that makes no sense.

And please please understand that I feel annoyance with lion. He does not make me feel bad about what I believe in.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Do you understand what I am saying?

[alien]

Originally posted by martin II


alien
The moderator came on this thread saturday and wished everyone a happy mothers day. This indicated that she/he did read this thread from time to time.

That comment (kta)was a unecessary slap at the black women on the jury and it was hateful.
martin II

I don't doubt for a second that the moderator doesn't check this board.

I just said that I never saw a message letting us know that someone was banned. I know from reading your posts that you were rayray, but I never saw a post letting us know that you were banned.

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by alien
If I am wrong, I am wrong so let me know if you think I am wrong. Lion never gives any insight into why he thinks we are unenlightened and he never explains why he thinks OJ is innocent. He just throws out stuff to cause chaos and stuff that makes no sense.

And please please understand that I feel annoyance with lion. He does not make me feel bad about what I believe in.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Hello alien,

One of the reasons I feel I don't have to explain myself is because it doesn't really matter whether O J Simpson is guilty or not.

I was personally moved when an all-black jury had the strength, courage, and fortitude to go against public thinking, to go against the consensus of most courtroom pundits,........just to support one of their own. :patriot:

They're Heroes :)




Lionthrone

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by socaldiva
Alien was right. You get the most offensive poster award. You are such a r***** and that seems to be all you have to offer. Ever.

socaldiva,

Actually I have quite a bit to offer :(

I'm very well versed in most subject matter from Politics, to Science & Space Exploration, to Sports.

Thanks for the award though, I'll wear it as a badge of honor :patriot:



Lionthrone :)

[Wukong]

Caphill,

All the testimony about AB, B, A, antigens etc... which you so expertly pointed out (Not being cute here, I really thought you did a good job. I have studied all of this testimony myself) was all made moot when the DNA test on the blood under Nicole's nails came back to Nicole.

Wukong

[caphill]

Originally posted by Lionthrone


Hello alien,

One of the reasons I feel I don't have to explain myself is because it doesn't really matter whether O J Simpson is guilty or not.

I was personally moved when an all-black jury had the strength, courage, and fortitude to go against public thinking, to go against the consensus of most courtroom pundits,........just to support one of their own. :patriot:

They're Heroes :)




Lionthrone


Just for accuracy the make up of the jury was 9 blacks, 1 Hispanic and 2 whites.

[Lionthrone]

Originally posted by caphill
Just for accuracy the make up of the jury was 9 blacks, 1 Hispanic and 2 whites.

caphill,

It's believed at some point during the long sequestration that the jury developed what is known as Group Think.

They essentially formed one mind, one opinion, and I can assure you the driving force behind that decision was lead by the fore-person of the jury (an african american female) who every juror highly respected and admired.

The strength, determination, and will of those 9 african american jurors won the day




Lionthrone :)

[Wukong]

Lionthrone is a one trick pony and, alas, the one trick he does know is not very good. As I browse the boards reading threads of interest, Lionthrone occassionaly pops up with his one tired trick and leaves.

You see folks, Ponythrone would love nothing better than to get every person who is not of color banned from this board. He spouts the same nonsense everywhere he goes, then when someone gets irate about his comment he smugly posts something along these lines: "What are so upset about? Can't take it? Can't stand to see a proud black man standing up for his own? I think you have a problem." His posts are filled wit