General Case Discussion: OLD THREAD

[bobaugust]

That is all relative to whether or not you belive the testimony or your eyes.

You evidently don't believe your eyes or the Ford's testimony. All you do is argue imaginary unsupported speculation.

bobaugust

[William Anthony]

You evidently don't believe your eyes or the Ford's testimony. All you do is argue imaginary unsupported speculation.

bobaugust

My eyes tell me that the m socks were supposed to be there when they were not. I choose to doubt that everything is a mistake, such as the m blood and the m socks. Your speculation is only supported by those you chose to believe and not by what your eyes tell you is correct.

[fbgweezer]

My eyes tell me that the m socks were supposed to be there when they were not. I choose to doubt that everything is a mistake, such as the m blood and the m socks. Your speculation is only supported by those you chose to believe and not by what your eyes tell you is correct.

what do your eyes tell you about the 30+ pictures of orenthal wearing Bruno Magli shoes?

What do your eyes tell you about the pictures of orenthal wearing Aris gloves?

[William Anthony]

what do your eyes tell you about the 30+ pictures of orenthal wearing Bruno Magli shoes?

What do your eyes tell you about the pictures of orenthal wearing Aris gloves?

That at some point he wore something similar. Where is the pictures with him wearing them on the night of the murders?

[n.n]

what do your eyes tell you about the 30+ pictures of orenthal wearing Bruno Magli shoes?

What do your eyes tell you about the pictures of orenthal wearing Aris gloves?

The problem with that evidence is that L.A. is a city with lots of stars, psuedo-stars, and others who have th emoney to buy such stuff. It really is risky to consider O. J. the only one in possession of such luxury items.
Nicole Simpson was said to have bought a second pair of these gloves. It would be interesting with whom they ended up.

[William Anthony]

The problem with that evidence is that L.A. is a city with lots of stars, psuedo-stars, and others who have th emoney to buy such stuff. It really is risky to consider O. J. the only one in possession of such luxury items.
Nicole Simpson was said to have bought a second pair of these gloves. It would be interesting with whom they ended up.

It would be interesting to know with whom the gloves she allegedly gave Simpson ended up, since the ones at trial did not fit, or who owned the misfitting gloves.

[n.n]

Another logical explanatiion is that, because according to the evidence collection record and the time on the camrecorder, the stains were planted.

I'm sorry. I hope I don't bother you all with my questions. But I don't understand how blood from the same source (Mrs. Simpson) could be degrade at different degrees.

[William Anthony]

I'm sorry. I hope I don't bother you all with my questions. But I don't understand how blood from the same source (Mrs. Simpson) could be degrade at different degrees.

No, I think you misunderstood. I was responding to bobaugust's explanations. I hope you did not misunderstand.

[n.n]

It would be interesting to know with whom the gloves she allegedly gave Simpson ended up, since the ones at trial did not fit, or who owned the misfitting gloves.

Well, that would be more than interesting. That would be it! What I am thinking of is that the ones found at the scene were those she gave to someone else. Dead end again, I guess.

[William Anthony]

Well, that would be more than interesting. That would be it! What I am thinking of is that the ones found at the scene were those she gave to someone else. Dead end again, I guess.

That could be or they could have belonged to anyone else that ever bought a pair. In any event, it would suggest that LE's blood typing and DNA results were wrong or something with a sinsister connotation happened in the case.

[fbgweezer]

Well, that would be more than interesting. That would be it! What I am thinking of is that the ones found at the scene were those she gave to someone else. Dead end again, I guess.

LOL. . . . . . .

[fbgweezer]

That could be or they could have belonged to anyone else that ever bought a pair. In any event, it would suggest that LE's blood typing and DNA results were wrong or something with a sinsister connotation happened in the case.

LOL -- you guys have got to take this act on the road -- too, too funny!

[2L8 4A D8]

That at some point he wore something similar. Where is the pictures with him wearing them on the night of the murders?

OMG! If you truly think like that, then no one would be Guilty in your opinion! Who would this person be that was taking pictures of OJ and what he was wearing on the night of the murders? How many eyewitnesses are there to a murder(s)? Not many I would venture to say! I also don't think that there are any murderers walking around with their own cameraman taking pictures of what they were wearing the night of their crime(s) and also filming what went down!

Thank God you are in the minority or else we'd all be living amongst multitudes of murderers, rapists and serial killers (just to name a few)!

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

OMG! If you truly think like that, then no one would be Guilty in your opinion! Who would this person be that was taking pictures of OJ and what he was wearing on the night of the murders? How many eyewitnesses are there to a murder(s)? Not many I would venture to say! I also don't think that there are any murderers walking around with their own cameraman taking pictures of what they were wearing the night of their crime(s) and also filming what went down!

Thank God you are in the minority or else we'd all be living amongst multitudes of murderers, rapists and serial killers (just to name a few)!

JMO and MOO!!

You are quite right that defendant's do not have the obligation to assist the prosecution. However, the prosecution does have the responsibility of proving their case. It is said that it is better to let 1,000 guilty go free than to convict one innocent person. That sentiment is the hallmark of America's system of jurisprudence. I, for one, am not ready to change it.

[Marissa]

I dont think OJ would be that stupid to murder nicole in front of his children if they had came out and saw what happened. :punch:

[Marissa]

Dont forget the little boy who was 14 at the time. he said he saw men behind nicole's condo and his parents called the police about it. later on that day someone called their house making threats that if they said anything they would be killed. :chicken:

[Marissa]

This is fact.. OJ was found NOT GUILTY so that means someone else killed ron and nicole. This killings has all the earmarks of a drug hit. :seeya:

[William Anthony]

OMG! If you truly think like that, then no one would be Guilty in your opinion! Who would this person be that was taking pictures of OJ and what he was wearing on the night of the murders? How many eyewitnesses are there to a murder(s)? Not many I would venture to say! I also don't think that there are any murderers walking around with their own cameraman taking pictures of what they were wearing the night of their crime(s) and also filming what went down!

Thank God you are in the minority or else we'd all be living amongst multitudes of murderers, rapists and serial killers (just to name a few)!

JMO and MOO!!

Which minority might that be?

[fbgweezer]

I dont think OJ would be that stupid to murder nicole in front of his children if they had came out and saw what happened. :punch:

it didn't stop him from beating her or knocking down a door and screaming like a mad mad when they were in the house or threatening to take away the home they lived in. You give the creep way too much credit.

[socaldiva]

This is fact.. OJ was found NOT GUILTY so that means someone else killed ron and nicole. This killings has all the earmarks of a drug hit. :seeya:

Being found NOT GUILTY does not mean that "someone else killed ron and nicole". It simply means that OJ wasn't found guilty.

A drug hit? Orenthal was the only one with drugs in his system at the time of the murders.

[martin II]

it didn't stop him from beating her or knocking down a door and screaming like a mad mad when they were in the house or threatening to take away the home they lived in. You give the creep way too much credit.

weezer

1. Oj came to G GREEN to complain about some party that nicole had held for some prostitutes and accused addicts while the children were in the house.

After some words he left. Nicole called him and said she wanted to talk this situation out. oJ returned and the argument started again. There was no fight or blows exchanged. OJ went out to some back house with Kato. the police came and the situation calmed down and oj left.

OJ did not threaten to take away the home his children lived in. Period. He refuse to be a part of Nicoles IRS scam to make money for herself.
imo
Stop streatching the truth into something that you would like it to be.
imo
martin II

[martin II]

it didn't stop him from beating her or knocking down a door and screaming like a mad mad when they were in the house or threatening to take away the home they lived in. You give the creep way too much credit.

weezer

Kicking a door with children in the house and killing nicole with children in the house are two totally different things. I think
martin II

[n.n]

weezer

Kicking a door with children in the house and killing nicole with children in the house are two totally different things. I think
martin II

I get the impression that Mr. Simpson is viewed as the devil in person by some people.
Now, could it be that Mrs. Simpson wasn't a saint either? After all, she hung out with most dubious people. She didn't pay taxes,for example, which could have lead to the children losing their home, too. And I would imagine that Mr. Simpson really did not appreciate his kids being around prostitutes and other low-life folks like Faye R. and what was the other woman's name? (The one ending up in jail?) I mean who wants to be around such CREEPS?
It is terrible that Mrs. Simpson and Mr. Goldman had to die -- and in such a horrible way. But even such a sad fate makes no one immune to having been less than perfect before they died.
I don't think it is right for a parent to house drug addicts under the same roof as her children. That is a big NO, NO! Plain and simple: irresponsible.
It seems that people only see the bad side of Mr. Simpson. The picture they paint again and again is a black and white one: satan vs. saint. It is really disturbing to witness such behavior.

[martin II]

I get the impression that Mr. Simpson is viewed as the devil in person by some people.
Now, could it be that Mrs. Simpson wasn't a saint either? After all, she hung out with most dubious people. She didn't pay taxes,for example, which could have lead to the children losing their home, too. And I would imagine that Mr. Simpson really did not appreciate his kids being around prostitutes and other low-life folks like Faye R. and what was the other woman's name? (The one ending up in jail?) I mean who wants to be around such CREEPS?
It is terrible that Mrs. Simpson and Mr. Goldman had to die -- and in such a horrible way. But even such a sad fate makes no one immune to having been less than perfect before they died.
I don't think it is right for a parent to house drug addicts under the same roof as her children. That is a big NO, NO! Plain and simple: irresponsible.
It seems that people only see the bad side of Mr. Simpson. The picture they paint again and again is a black and white one: satan vs. saint. It is really disturbing to witness such behavior.


n.n
i thank you so much for all of your post. It was accurate and to the point.
It was not a satan vs saint relationship.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip* It seems that people only see the bad side of Mr. Simpson.

That pesky double murder does tend to cast a cloud over his "good side". :tongue:

[socaldiva]

n.n
i thank you so much for all of your post. It was accurate and to the point.
It was not a satan vs saint relationship.
martin II

I don't think the portion of her post that stated Nicole didn't pay taxes is true.

Are "saints" the only ones that don't deserve to be murdered? I say slashing two people to death is evil.

[limakey]

NN,

IMO, many people who come to the aid of drug addicts knows this person has no other place to go. I can't imagine myself turning a way from a family member or a friend at time like that.

I also believe that many friends of drug addicts never even weigh the risks of helping a person through this. In other words, I don't think Nicole would have helped Faye if she truly believed her life or her children's lives were in danger.

I do agree with you about the IRS thing, Nicole was playing a dangerous game with a government agency that has no "heart". What bothers me is that many people seem to believe that divorce and break ups bring out the best in people---they don't.

What I find very, very interesting about Nicole is that her "halo" was shattered by a person who said she was Nicole's best friend. I do believe had Faye never wrote her books, none of the very private information about Nicole would have been opened up to the public.

[socaldiva]

*snip*

What I find very, very interesting about Nicole is that her "halo" was shattered by a person who said she was Nicole's best friend.

Who said she had a "halo"? She had faults like everyone does. Did it mean that she deserved to be beaten or cheated on or murdered? NO!

[n.n]

NN,

IMO, many people who come to the aid of drug addicts knows this person has no other place to go. I can't imagine myself turning a way from a family member or a friend at time like that.

I also believe that many friends of drug addicts never even weigh the risks of helping a person through this. In other words, I don't think Nicole would have helped Faye if she truly believed her life or her children's lives were in danger.

I do agree with you about the IRS thing, Nicole was playing a dangerous game with a government agency that has no "heart". What bothers me is that many people seem to believe that divorce and break ups bring out the best in people---they don't.

What I find very, very interesting about Nicole is that her "halo" was shattered by a person who said she was Nicole's best friend. I do believe had Faye never wrote her books, none of the very private information about Nicole would have been opened up to the public.

I could not imagine having a drug addict living under my roof. No matter who it is. Drug addicts do not care for anyone else than themselves and their addiction. They don't care if innocent people get caught/killed, if that is what it takes to get their next fix. Sorry, but that is what I've learned about these people.
Mrs. Simpson behaved irresponsibly in harboring such persons.
What I was trying to say is that Mr. Simpson may have had a good reason to kick in Nicole's door and get upset at her. Protecting one's children from such "elements" is only natural -- and good.

[n.n]

I don't think the portion of her post that stated Nicole didn't pay taxes is true.

Are "saints" the only ones that don't deserve to be murdered? I say slashing two people to death is evil.

It is true. She herself has recorded a conversation with Mr. Simpson about the issue in her diary, which was used as evidence in the civil trial. They used it against Mr. Simpson, accusing him of threatening to harm her by saying ... "That's it. You've had it coming..."

[socaldiva]

It is true. She herself has recorded a conversation with Mr. Simpson about the issue in her diary, which was used as evidence in the civil trial. They used it against Mr. Simpson, accusing him of threatening to harm her by saying ... "That's it. You've had it coming..."


You stated that she didn't pay taxes, which is misleading. imo. She was trying to avoid specifictaxes relative to a property, by saying it was a rental.

I guess if you believe her diary, then you also believe the portion where she refers to the beatings & abuse she suffered at OJ's hands.

[William Anthony]

You stated that she didn't pay taxes, which is misleading. imo. She was trying to avoid specifictaxes relative to a property, by saying it was a rental.

I guess if you believe her diary, then you also believe the portion where she refers to the beatings & abuse she suffered at OJ's hands.

I have wondered what the word diva meant when I hear people use it? Can you tell me?

[socaldiva]

I have wondered what the word diva meant when I hear people use it? Can you tell me?

O/T :seeya:

[martin II]

I have wondered what the word diva meant when I hear people use it? Can you tell me?

William
The word diva is reserved for those(women) that have made a Major world wide accepted musical contribution. It is usually bestored upon them by their industry not by themselves.

martin II

"A diva is a female opera singer, but now the term also refers to a popular female performer of non-operatic works. The term was originally used to describe a woman of rare, outstanding talent. The term derives from an ancient Italian word meaning "goddess", which, in turn derives from the feminine form of a Latin word divus, meaning "divine one."

"There are many women who are or have been considered divas. They include: Maria Callas, Toni Braxton, Barbra Streisand, Shania Twain, Frances Gallup, Dame Joan Sutherland, Kathleen Battle, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Regine Velasquez, Donna Summer, Cher, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Dame Kiri te Kanawa, Patti LaBelle, Madonna, Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, Olivia Newton-John, and Dame Elisabeth Schwarzkopf."

[William Anthony]

William
The word diva is reserved for those(women) that have made a Major world wide accepted musical contribution. It is usually bestored upon them by their industry not by themselves.

martin II

"A diva is a female opera singer, but now the term also refers to a popular female performer of non-operatic works. The term was originally used to describe a woman of rare, outstanding talent. The term derives from an ancient Italian word meaning "goddess", which, in turn derives from the feminine form of a Latin word divus, meaning "divine one."

"There are many women who are or have been considered divas. They include: Maria Callas, Toni Braxton, Barbra Streisand, Shania Twain, Frances Gallup, Dame Joan Sutherland, Kathleen Battle, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey, Regine Velasquez, Donna Summer, Cher, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Dame Kiri te Kanawa, Patti LaBelle, Madonna, Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, Olivia Newton-John, and Dame Elisabeth Schwarzkopf."

Martin,

Thank you for the information. I always knew that Socaldiva was singing a tune.

[fbgweezer]

I could not imagine having a drug addict living under my roof. No matter who it is. Drug addicts do not care for anyone else than themselves and their addiction. They don't care if innocent people get caught/killed, if that is what it takes to get their next fix. Sorry, but that is what I've learned about these people.
Mrs. Simpson behaved irresponsibly in harboring such persons.
What I was trying to say is that Mr. Simpson may have had a good reason to kick in Nicole's door and get upset at her. Protecting one's children from such "elements" is only natural -- and good.

orenthal was the only person who had drugs in his system on the night that he murdered two human beings. Nicole did not have drugs in her system. Ron did not have drugs in his system. orenthal had drugs in his system. Guess that kind of blows apart your little theory about Nicole being irresponsible. IMO

[fbgweezer]

socal, did you "bestored upon" yourself the title of diva? :tongue:

[martin II]

Martin,

Thank you for the information. I always knew that Socaldiva was singing a tune.


william
Thats right she does think she is a diva. i guess.
hahaha

:beer:
martin II

[socaldiva]

socal, did you "bestored upon" yourself the title of diva? :tongue:

More personal crap & it was completely unwarranted. It's been reported ;)

[martin II]

orenthal was the only person who had drugs in his system on the night that he murdered two human beings. Nicole did not have drugs in her system. Ron did not have drugs in his system. orenthal had drugs in his system. Guess that kind of blows apart your little theory about Nicole being irresponsible. IMO

no whart that means is that nicole did not have marijuana or cocain in her system WHEN SHE DIED.
It does not mean that she never did drugs or toher wild stuff.
martin II

[n.n]

You stated that she didn't pay taxes, which is misleading. imo. She was trying to avoid specifictaxes relative to a property, by saying it was a rental.

I guess if you believe her diary, then you also believe the portion where she refers to the beatings & abuse she suffered at OJ's hands.

The tax issue is not a matter of believing or not. It is a sad fact. One might be tempted to say, "She lied to authorities. She may have lied in other cases, too."

But that was not the point of my earlier post. The point is that eliminating or closing one's eyes to the facts that do not fit your believe is self-deception. It doesn't help to prove guilt or innocence. Hammering away on one person's being the evil incarnate is just not making a case. Just as leaving out of the picture another person's flaws doesn't make one.
I dare say that Mrs. Simpson's behavior should have lead police to seriously investigate other venues. She was associated with criminals. That fact in itself sould have been cause enough to dig deeper into the possibility of a drug related crime.

[n.n]

orenthal was the only person who had drugs in his system on the night that he murdered two human beings. Nicole did not have drugs in her system. Ron did not have drugs in his system. orenthal had drugs in his system. Guess that kind of blows apart your little theory about Nicole being irresponsible. IMO

I am sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough.
Nicole was the one who housed dope-heads under her roof -- the same roof her children lived under. And it is a well-known fact that such criminal elements attract trouble -- serious trouble. I would protect my children from even the slightest possibility of being exposed to such circumstances.

[n.n]

I am sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough.
Nicole was the one who housed dope-heads under her roof -- the same roof her children lived under. And it is a well-known fact that such criminal elements attract trouble -- serious trouble. I would protect my children from even the slightest possibility of being exposed to such circumstances.


Also, Mr. Simpson was not always considered the bad guy in the family

This is taken from the case files:

"Prosecutors originally planned to called Brown to the witness stand, but they agreed with defense attorneys at the last minute to stipulate to her testimony.

Absent from the stipulation regarding Brown was a claim made by prosecutor Christopher Darden in his opening statement. Darden had promised jurors that Brown would testify that O.J. Simpson exhibited obsessive behavior towards his former wife.

[B]But prosecutors apparently did not want Brown subjected to cross-examination. The cross-examination could have included questions about statements she made during a nationwide speaking tour or statements she made about Simpson and her daughter before she believed him responsible for the murders."[B]

[2L8 4A D8]

More personal crap & it was completely unwarranted. It's been reported ;)

:beer: Good for you! Not only is it no one's business why and how you pick you nic, it is absolutely uncalled for, unwarranted and unnecessary to make the comments that William and Martin did regarding it!

Your nic also has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the OJ Simpson double-murder case. The comments were made out of pure hatred and meanness, kinda like the "strawberry" comment that was made to me by Martin.

Just consider the sources, which I am sure that you already do! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[William Anthony]

:beer: Good for you! Not only is it no one's business why and how you pick you nic, it is absolutely uncalled for, unwarranted and unnecessary to make the comments that William and Martin did regarding it!

Your nic also has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the OJ Simpson double-murder case. The comments were made out of pure hatred and meanness, kinda like the "strawberry" comment that was made to me by Martin.

Just consider the sources, which I am sure that you already do! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

Just for clarification purposes. I only asked what diva meant. When supplied with the answer, I stated I kew diva was singing a tune, which was O. J. is guilty. There was nothing mean or hateful about the remark. There maybe something construed to be mean and hateful about it, which was not my intent. However, with that said, :seeya:

[martin II]

Just for clarification purposes. I only asked what diva meant. When supplied with the answer, I stated I kew diva was singing a tune, which was O. J. is guilty. There was nothing mean or hateful about the remark. There maybe something construed to be mean and hateful about it, which was not my intent. However, with that said, :seeya:

william

i posted the definition of the word that i found. i have not posted anything to
the poster in quesiton as i refuse to read her post or post to her. she has been on ignore for sometime and shall remain there. although she does post to me knowing i do read her post, i have found it is best to stay away from he post.

i see nothing wrong in posting a dictionary description of a legitimate word.
obviously some have taken offense to the definition.

:beer:
martin II

[William Anthony]

william

i posted the definition of the word that i found. i have not posted anything to
the poster in quesiton as i refuse to read her post or post to her. she has been on ignore for sometime and shall remain there. although she does post to me knowing i do read her post, i have found it is best to stay away from he post.

i see nothing wrong in posting a dictionary description of a legitimate word.
obviously some have taken offense to the definition.

:beer:
martin II

Some will take offense at anything and run to the moderator in an effort to get others banned, imho. I have reported someone for the first time, today. The reason is that, despite my repeated requests to have that poster refrain from making the type of posts he has been making because I find them insulting, he blantantly posted he would not.

[martin II]

Fuhrman's Opportunity

Dectective Mark Fuhrman had the means, motive and opportunity required to allow him to obtain, and plant the Rockingham Glove. These pages came about, in part, because the prosecution went to such extraordinary lengths to mislead the average spectator into believing that this was not the case. Marcia Clark, as lead prosecutor, conducted a trial based on lies, half truths and convoluted logic. The most fascinating thing about this trial is, Mark Fuhrman knew the system would cover for him -- and boasted about it in the "Fuhrman Tapes".

martin II

[martin II]

"I remember thinking he was there as a token because the jury was predominately black," she wrote. "I thought the prosecution felt they needed this particular balance. To me, this was the first 'race card,' as it has come to be called, and it was played by the prosecution. It didn't fool me, and it didn't fool a lot of other people on the jury either."
Darden's book "IN CONTEMPT", demonstrates the anger without focus; possibly derived from having been Garcetti's "token"; certainly excluded from the inner circle and used by Clark.

Defense Attorney Gerald Uelman -- author of "LESSONS FROM THE TRIAL" has characterized "IN CONTEMPT" as "pre-pubescent pouting".

The glove demonstration, suggested by Clark, established that Darden was expendable. And in his denial -- he shows his inability to accept reality, to accept that HE was the race card being played.

As we are now learning, Robert Shapiro tied on the gloves prior to Simpson and realized they would never fit his client. In the Civil Depositions, we are learning that, while the gloves were labled XL, extra-large, Simpson generally wears XXL and only in certain select golf gloves, will a L or XL fit his hands. Only gloves that are unlined and designed to stretch will fit his enormous hands. "

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1472/summary.html

martin II





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[socaldiva]

*snip* i have not posted anything to
the poster in quesiton as i refuse to read her post or post to her. she has been on ignore for sometime and shall remain there. although she does post to me knowing i do read her post, i have found it is best to stay away from he post.



Absolutely UNTRUE. You posted DIRECTLY to me as recent as a week or so ago.

If you want to stay away from my posts, please DO put me on ignore! You claim to want to "stay away from my posts", yet you feel compelled to make your snide little comments about my nic? GMAB!

[martin II]

william

i posted the definition of the word that i found. i have not posted anything to
the poster in quesiton as i refuse to read her post or post to her. she has been on ignore for sometime and shall remain there. although she does post to me knowing i do read her post, i have found it is best to stay away from he post.

i see nothing wrong in posting a dictionary description of a legitimate word.
obviously some have taken offense to the definition.

:beer:
martin II

correction


knowing i DO NOT read her post.

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

correction


knowing i DO NOT read her post.

martin II

Sorry, too late! "Another Freudian Slip" I'd say, or is it William that says that? Yeah, I think it's William who says that!

You no more have Diva on Ignore than you do me! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

Sorry, too late! "Another Freudian Slip" I'd say, or is it William that says that? Yeah, I think it's William who says that!

You no more have Diva on Ignore than you do me! :rolleyes:

JMO and MOO!!

Yep. Here's a prime example of Martin having me on ignore :tongue: :

It's from 2/09/07 page 207 of the Unanswered Question thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by martin II
diva
these are your words.
martin II

good night
It seems as though you are the one with navigational problems. Nicoles feet were resting right at the gate & her blood did indeed run down the walkway. Here's another:

martin II
Super Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,733

Quote:
Originally Posted by socaldiva
In my world, "fixed gate" does not equal "fense". Regardless of where you think her feet were or weren't, what does this have to do with the blood? It was clearly her blood. No spin involved.

show me a picture of nicoles feet under a GATE
MARTIN ii
And, since bandwidth isn't a problem, here's another:

martin II
Super Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,733

Quote:
Originally Posted by socaldiva
Ok. If you go look at the picture he is talking about & blow it up, you can see that she is lying right at the front gate. I think the only "side gate" was another gate that lead to the side of the house & she certainly wasn't lying by that in my opinion.

i am posting this one more time

nicoles back (behind) is next to the 1st step.
Nicoles legs and feet are tucked under a stationary FENSE to the left of the steps.

if you look at the picture you will see the GATE open leading to the sidewalk
and her head is about 4-5 tiles (feet or more) from this GATE and a blood pool
stops about this point.Her blood i think.
Past the GATE there are other bloody tiles leading towards the sidewalk.
SO NICOLES FEET ARE NOT UNDER THE GATE.
MARTIN ii
Another:

martin II
Super Member Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,733

Quote:
Originally Posted by socaldiva
OMG you were the one that brought up TWO gates. The gate in the photo clearly shows that she's lying right there & the blood is dripping down the walkway, yet you don't know who's blood it is & think it might be Ron's even though he's no where to be seen??? You are confused.

no i said her feet were under the FIXED GATE meaning FENSE.
The poicture i posted tell where her feet were and they were not under the front gate.
now spin that
martin II
GUESS YOUR POST THAT YOU'VE HAD ME ON IGNORE FOR QUITE SOME TIME IS WRONG, ISN'T IT MARTIN????YOU WERE POSTING DIRECTLY TO ME APPROXIMATELY A WEEK AGO!!

[Kayleighjo]

I get the impression that Mr. Simpson is viewed as the devil in person by some people.
Now, could it be that Mrs. Simpson wasn't a saint either? After all, she hung out with most dubious people. She didn't pay taxes,for example, which could have lead to the children losing their home, too. And I would imagine that Mr. Simpson really did not appreciate his kids being around prostitutes and other low-life folks like Faye R. and what was the other woman's name? (The one ending up in jail?) I mean who wants to be around such CREEPS?
It is terrible that Mrs. Simpson and Mr. Goldman had to die -- and in such a horrible way. But even such a sad fate makes no one immune to having been less than perfect before they died.
I don't think it is right for a parent to house drug addicts under the same roof as her children. That is a big NO, NO! Plain and simple: irresponsible.
It seems that people only see the bad side of Mr. Simpson. The picture they paint again and again is a black and white one: satan vs. saint. It is really disturbing to witness such behavior.

It's really disturbing to witness the type of behavior that people show when they paint a picture of Simpson that's anything less than the truth and the truth is that he was a crappy husband who couldn't be faithful, a daddy who wrote big checks but had little time, and a guy who thrived on beating up emotionally and physically on his wife. And there's a good side that I'm supposed to see to this guy? Oh, you mean the side that was generous with his money? Wow, I guess that must trump every other dark side there is to him.

Wow, I see it in a whole new light now. :rolleyes:

[Kayleighjo]

This is fact.. OJ was found NOT GUILTY so that means someone else killed ron and nicole. This killings has all the earmarks of a drug hit. :seeya:


Gosh, it must be nice to paint with such a large brush.

[Kayleighjo]

I am sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough.
Nicole was the one who housed dope-heads under her roof -- the same roof her children lived under. And it is a well-known fact that such criminal elements attract trouble -- serious trouble. I would protect my children from even the slightest possibility of being exposed to such circumstances.

Um, did you know that OJ had friends who were big time coke users and involved in illegal operations that resulted in jail time for them(Billy Kehoe comes to mind)? Are you aware that those same people visited OJ's home frequently? Are you aware that alot of his friends say that OJ was also a coke user?

God what's wrong with you people? It's like you've done all of your research in a great quest to prove that Nicole was less than swell, but choose apparently to not dig much into the inner workings of OJ's lifestyle.

[n.n]

Um, did you know that OJ had friends who were big time coke users and involved in illegal operations that resulted in jail time for them(Billy Kehoe comes to mind)? Are you aware that those same people visited OJ's home frequently? Are you aware that alot of his friends say that OJ was also a coke user?

God what's wrong with you people? It's like you've done all of your research in a great quest to prove that Nicole was less than swell, but choose apparently to not dig much into the inner workings of OJ's lifestyle.

So, in your opinion, if bad O.J. is doing it, it's okay for good Nicole to do it, too? That sounds logical -- kind of.

[Kayleighjo]

So, in your opinion, if bad O.J. is doing it, it's okay for good Nicole to do it, too? That sounds logical -- kind of.

The unfortunate part about newbies like yourself is that you talk from a place you don't know much about.

I'm one of the first to admit that Nicole was no saint, but then I hear all these people that want to exonerate OJ because they think he's just a stand up guy who got a bad rap and you don't open up your eyes wide enough to take a look around and see that OJ's lifestyle was no better than Nicole's and yet the only person's lifestyle you choose to trash is ... hers.

That sounds logical -- kind of. :rolleyes:

[fbgweezer]

I could not imagine having a drug addict living under my roof. No matter who it is. Drug addicts do not care for anyone else than themselves and their addiction. They don't care if innocent people get caught/killed, if that is what it takes to get their next fix. Sorry, but that is what I've learned about these people.
Mrs. Simpson behaved irresponsibly in harboring such persons.
What I was trying to say is that Mr. Simpson may have had a good reason to kick in Nicole's door and get upset at her. Protecting one's children from such "elements" is only natural -- and good.

Let me say this ONE more time: On the night of the murders, Nicole did not have drugs in her system. On the night of the murders, Ron did not have drugs in his system. On the night of the murders, orenthal james simpson DID have drugs in his system. So you tell me who the children needed to be protected from?

[fbgweezer]

It's really disturbing to witness the type of behavior that people show when they paint a picture of Simpson that's anything less than the truth and the truth is that he was a crappy husband who couldn't be faithful, a daddy who wrote big checks but had little time, and a guy who thrived on beating up emotionally and physically on his wife. And there's a good side that I'm supposed to see to this guy? Oh, you mean the side that was generous with his money? Wow, I guess that must trump every other dark side there is to him.

Wow, I see it in a whole new light now. :rolleyes:

Amen, sista!

[n.n]

weezer

1. Oj came to G GREEN to complain about some party that nicole had held for some prostitutes and accused addicts while the children were in the house.

After some words he left. Nicole called him and said she wanted to talk this situation out. oJ returned and the argument started again. There was no fight or blows exchanged. OJ went out to some back house with Kato. the police came and the situation calmed down and oj left.

OJ did not threaten to take away the home his children lived in. Period. He refuse to be a part of Nicoles IRS scam to make money for herself.
imo
Stop streatching the truth into something that you would like it to be.
imo
martin II

O.J. said that he did not kick in a solid door. It was a glass door with the pane already cracked, and when he kicked it, the glass broke completely. But it sounds more violent and blood-thirsty to have someone kick in a solid door.
And I agree, Mr. Simpson let her know via a letter that he no longer allowed her to use His address while she was not really living there. And how would he possibly get hold of Her property? The house on Bundy belonged to Mrs. Simpson.

[socaldiva]

*snip*
O.J. said that he did not kick in a solid door. It was a glass door with the pane already cracked.

I wouldn't want anyone kicking/breaking my door, regardless of what it's made of, especially if I have my children in the home at the time. Also, he was screaming & ranting.

[martin II]

Let me say this ONE more time: On the night of the murders, Nicole did not have drugs in her system. On the night of the murders, Ron did not have drugs in his system. On the night of the murders, orenthal james simpson DID have drugs in his system. So you tell me who the children needed to be protected from?

weezer
they needed to be protected from those BAD(nicoles desctiption) people that Faye Resnick had comming into nicoles house.

K.Z. the drug addict is another.

I have never read any comments by nicole or anyone else where she said the children needed to be protected from OJ SIMPON

You do seem to be stuck on the fact that Oj had TRACES of marijuana in his system. do you equate him having traces of marijuana in his system as say the same as Faye freebasing or snorting cocain?

I am trying to understand why you continue to repeat OJ HAD DRUGS IN HS SYSTEM over and over again and again.
martin II

[martin II]

Let me say this ONE more time: On the night of the murders, Nicole did not have drugs in her system. On the night of the murders, Ron did not have drugs in his system. On the night of the murders, orenthal james simpson DID have drugs in his system. So you tell me who the children needed to be protected from?

weezer

how about the possibility that both did cocain 5 days before their blood was tested. woud that make one bad and one good.

martin II

[n.n]

weezer
they needed to be protected from those BAD(nicoles desctiption) people that Faye Resnick had comming into nicoles house.

K.Z. the drug addict is another.

I have never read any comments by nicole or anyone else where she said the children needed to be protected from OJ SIMPON

You do seem to be stuck on the fact that Oj had TRACES of marijuana in his system. do you equate him having traces of marijuana in his system as say the same as Faye freebasing or snorting cocain?

I am trying to understand why you continue to repeat OJ HAD DRUGS IN HS SYSTEM over and over again and again.
martin II

Fact is that the appropriate authorities agreed upon Mr. Simpson's being the right person to raise his children.

[n.n]

Dont forget the little boy who was 14 at the time. he said he saw men behind nicole's condo and his parents called the police about it. later on that day someone called their house making threats that if they said anything they would be killed. :chicken:

That is interesting. Was that in one of the trials ... Where can I read more about it?

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped*I am trying to understand why you continue to repeat OJ HAD DRUGS IN HS SYSTEM over and over again and again.

I'm making the record clear since the NGs on this board keep pointing to Nicole and Ron being involved in drugs and alleging that that would be the reason they were murdered when, in fact, on the night of their murders, Nicole and Ron did not have drugs in their systems. On the night of he murdered two human beings, orenthal james simpson DID have drugs in his system.

[fbgweezer]

weezer

how about the possibility that both did cocain 5 days before their blood was tested. woud that make one bad and one good.

martin II

poor martin -- always first in line to bash the victims. There is and has never been any testimony/evidence that Nicole and/or Ron used cocaine 5 days before their murders. However, there is evidence that orenthal james simpson DID have drugs in his system the night he butchered two human beings.

[fbgweezer]

Fact is that the appropriate authorities agreed upon Mr. Simpson's being the right person to raise his children.

wonder is those "authorities" had second thoughts when they heard Sydney's call for help.

[fbgweezer]

That is interesting. Was that in one of the trials ... Where can I read more about it?

I'm sure you can find more on this if you go to www.idon'tcarewhattheevidenceproves.orenthaldidn't doit.com

[martin II]

*Snipped*

I'm making the record clear since the NGs on this board keep pointing to Nicole and Ron being involved in drugs and alleging that that would be the reason they were murdered when, in fact, on the night of their murders, Nicole and Ron did not have drugs in their systems. On the night of he murdered two human beings, orenthal james simpson DID have drugs in his system.

weezer
I will try again.

The fact that oj had traces of Marijuana in his blood on 6/13/ has nothing to do with whether some drug dealers may have killed either because of some drug debt.

your repeating 'OJ had drugs in his system" is just more oj bashing on your part. It was reported in testimony that oj and nicole did drugs you just refuse to believe her friend Cora when she testified to nicoles involvement.
martin II

[martin II]

I'm sure you can find more on this if you go to www.idon'tcarewhattheevidenceproves.orenthaldidn't doit.com

your link did not work for me
martin

[fbgweezer]

weezer
I will try again.

The fact that oj had traces of Marijuana in his blood on 6/13/ has nothing to do with whether some drug dealers may have killed either because of some drug debt.

your repeating 'OJ had drugs in his system" is just more oj bashing on your part. It was reported in testimony that oj and nicole did drugs you just refuse to believe her friend Cora when she testified to nicoles involvement.
martin II

I understand and accept that Nicole did drugs in the past BUT that does not address the issues that the NGs bring up about drug dealers mudering Nicole and Ron on that night since it was ONLY orenthal james simpson who had drugs in his system on the night of the murders. Logically, if drug dealers were looking for anyone, wouldn't they be looking for the person with drugs in his system? Someone like orenthal james simpson?

[martin II]

I understand and accept that Nicole did drugs in the past BUT that does not address the issues that the NGs bring up about drug dealers mudering Nicole and Ron on that night since it was ONLY orenthal james simpson who had drugs in his system on the night of the murders. Logically, if drug dealers were looking for anyone, wouldn't they be looking for the person with drugs in his system? Someone like orenthal james simpson?

weezer
drug dealers would be looking for someone that owed a drug debt. Like fay that was freebasing drugs in nicoles house and bringing BAD people(according to nicole ) to her house some days before she skipped out and checked into rahab for drug addiction.
martinII

[fbgweezer]

weezer
drug dealers would be looking for someone that owed a drug debt. Like fay that was freebasing drugs in nicoles house and bringing BAD people(according to nicole ) to her house some days before she skipped out and checked into rahab for drug addiction.
martinII

that's what I said -- maybe orenthal didn't pay for the drugs that were in HIS system on the night he murdered two human beings.

You seem to be confused about the facts in this case -- Still! Faye was in rehab. Rehab that was arranged by her concerned friends. Sounds like maybe someone should have intervened with orenthal.

[martin II]

that's what I said -- maybe orenthal didn't pay for the drugs that were in HIS system on the night he murdered two human beings.

You seem to be confused about the facts in this case -- Still! Faye was in rehab. Rehab that was arranged by her concerned friends. Sounds like maybe someone should have intervened with orenthal.

weezer

Nicole arranged for the intervention of Faye as i am sure she had tired of her freebasing coke in her house and begging for money. after all the children did live in the house. Nicole did say fayes friends comming to her house made her unconfortable

Faye copped out and went to rehab a few days before Nicole was killed. DO you think she left any unpaid drug debts behind?

martin II

[fbgweezer]

*Snipped*Nicole arranged for the intervention of Faye as i am sure she had tired of her freebasing coke in her house and begging for money. after all the children did live in the house. Nicole did say fayes friends comming to her house made her unconfortable

Faye copped out and went to rehab a few days before Nicole was killed. DO you think she left any unpaid drug debts behind?

Testimony was that Nicole arranged the intervention for her friend who she was concerned about and I'm certain that as a loving and caring mother, she didn't want that influence around her children.

Has there ever been ANY testimony/evidence that Faye left unpaid drug bills? And, if she did, what that would have to do with Nicole and Ron? The fact of the matter is, there was only one person that Nicole was afraid of at the time of her death and that was orenthal james simpson.

[martin II]

that's what I said -- maybe orenthal didn't pay for the drugs that were in HIS system on the night he murdered two human beings.

You seem to be confused about the facts in this case -- Still! Faye was in rehab. Rehab that was arranged by her concerned friends. Sounds like maybe someone should have intervened with orenthal.

weezer
"maby oj did not pay for the drugs in his system"

and the killers went and killed nicole?
martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer
"maby oj did not pay for the drugs in his system"

and the killers went and killed nicole?
martin II

do you kow whether or not orenthal paid for the drugs that were found to be in his system at the time of the murders?

those 'drug hit men' sure were a joke weren't they? They didn't know that Faye wasn't there. They didn't know what Faye looked like. They waited until there was a witness.

[2L8 4A D8]

I'm sure you can find more on this if you go to www.idon'tcarewhattheevidenceproves.orenthaldidn't doit.com

:lol: :beer: :lol:

Absolutely excellent Post, Weezer!

[fbgweezer]

:lol: :beer: :lol:

Absolutely excellent Post, Weezer!

thanks -- would you believe one poster actually tried it.......LOL

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer
I will try again.

The fact that oj had traces of Marijuana in his blood on 6/13/ has nothing to do with whether some drug dealers may have killed either because of some drug debt.

your repeating 'OJ had drugs in his system" is just more oj bashing on your part. It was reported in testimony that oj and nicole did drugs you just refuse to believe her friend Cora when she testified to nicoles involvement.
martin II

Well, I don't see YOU ever doing any OJ Bashing re: OJ doing drugs! Just Nicole Bashing re: Nicole doing drugs!

What part of this don't you get Martin? Your ridiculous theory of it being a drug hit by drug dealers doesn't fly! Why? Because if anyone other than OJ had come into the yard, Kato the Dog, would have had a field day and somebody(s) would have had to run to the ER at the local hospital to get stitched up?

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

thanks -- would you believe one poster actually tried it.......LOL

:lol: Yes and we ALL know who that was, dont we? :lol: I just consider the source, as usual! :lol:

JMO and MOO!!

[n.n]

Fact is tht even Mrs. Brown was concerned about the kind of friends her daughter socialized with.

[fbgweezer]

Fact is tht even Mrs. Brown was concerned about the kind of friends her daughter socialized with.

so you think friends/acquintances who do drugs (none are found in your system AND your friends/acquaintances testify that you hadn't done drugs in years) are more dangerous to your well-being than an abusive and violent husband who has tormented for 17 years?

[Kayleighjo]

so you think friends/acquintances who do drugs (none are found in your system AND your friends/acquaintances testify that you hadn't done drugs in years) are more dangerous to your well-being than an abusive and violent husband who has tormented for 17 years?

Oh but didn't you know that OJ Simpson is just the really good guy who got a really bad rap because of his awful blonde ex-wife?

[fbgweezer]

Oh but didn't you know that OJ Simpson is just the really good guy who got a really bad rap because of his awful blonde ex-wife?

I know -- the poor guy. The whole world framed him. So sad.

[n.n]

weezer
drug dealers would be looking for someone that owed a drug debt. Like fay that was freebasing drugs in nicoles house and bringing BAD people(according to nicole ) to her house some days before she skipped out and checked into rahab for drug addiction.
martinII

Mrs. Simpson said that? I was wondering why she was near a nervous breakdown the night Mr. Simpson wanted to take her out and she began shivering and trembling without any apparent reason.

[martin II]

Mrs. Simpson said that? I was wondering why she was near a nervous breakdown the night Mr. Simpson wanted to take her out and she began shivering and trembling without any apparent reason.

n.n
Cora Fishman,Nicoles close friend testified that nicole told her that she. nicole, felt very unconfortable when some of faye friends came to her, nicoles house.

I think nicole was fed up with it and that is why she arranged for the intervention of faye to get her out of her house.
martin II

[martin II]

so you think friends/acquintances who do drugs (none are found in your system AND your friends/acquaintances testify that you hadn't done drugs in years) are more dangerous to your well-being than an abusive and violent husband who has tormented for 17 years?

Whats strange is that nicole did not feel like you do when she wrote oj that letter accepting responsibility for some of their problems and pleading with him to let her come home to rockingham and start over again. You do know he told her NO.
martin II

[n.n]

n.n
Cora Fishman,Nicoles close friend testified that nicole told her that she. nicole, felt very unconfortable when some of faye friends came to her, nicoles house.

I think nicole was fed up with it and that is why she arranged for the intervention of faye to get her out of her house.
martin II

I think she felt more than uncomfortable; in order to getting close to a nervous breakdown it takes fear, terror, anguish, in my opinion. Apparently, she had no fear of being with her husband. So she must have felt threatened by someone/something else.

[fbgweezer]

Whats strange is that nicole did not feel like you do when she wrote oj that letter accepting responsibility for some of their problems and pleading with him to let her come home to rockingham and start over again. You do know he told her NO.
martin II

oh martin, Nicole didn't want orenthal. She told him she didn't want him. Everyone knew that if Nicole wanted orenthal she could have him. She just had had enough of the abuse.

[martin II]

oh martin, Nicole didn't want orenthal. She told him she didn't want him. Everyone knew that if Nicole wanted orenthal she could have him. She just had had enough of the abuse.

weezer

I see you don't believe she wrote that letter to oj.
martin II

[martin II]

I think she felt more than uncomfortable; in order to getting close to a nervous breakdown it takes fear, terror, anguish, in my opinion. Apparently, she had no fear of being with her husband. So she must have felt threatened by someone/something else.

n.n.

correct
Nicole had been getting some unwanted telephone calls from some man. She told oj about it and asked him to watch out for her safety.

Le caught the guy. i believe furhman had the case. Not sure. However the guy was released some time after and continued to make the calls to her.

She asked oj for his protection not because she feared him
martin II

[fbgweezer]

n.n.

correct
Nicole had been getting some unwanted telephone calls from some man. She told oj about it and asked him to watch out for her safety.

Le caught the guy. i believe furhman had the case. Not sure. However the guy was released some time after and continued to make the calls to her.

She asked oj for his protection not because she feared him
martin II

WTH: "i believe furhman had the case." --

at the time of her death, there was only one person Nicole was afraid of and that was orenthal james simpson.

[martin II]

WTH: "i believe furhman had the case." --

at the time of her death, there was only one person Nicole was afraid of and that was orenthal james simpson.

A dective was assigned to catch the guy. I think it was furhman. i will look and get back to you.
martin II

[martin II]

http://walraven.org/simpson/cf_depo2.html

Cora Fishman

A: What do I mean by that? She was doing-she was drinking too much and her association with Faye. That's pretty much.

Q: And you were concerned for her safety. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that's why you went to talk to OJ. about going to Florida. Isn't that true?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And when you took that walk around the block with OJ. over at Rockingham, you said that you thought it was best that OJ. take Nicole and the kids, and move to Florida. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that was because you were concerned about her safety, and you thought that OJ. could protect her. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And at that time OJ. told you that he was currently dating Paula. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And you thought OJ. was the best person to protect her at that time, didn't you? .

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: At that time, yes, because they wanted to-you know, I thought that they could get back together again.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: In 1992 was Nicole receiving threatening phone calls?

A: Yes.

Q: This was in the calendar year of 1992?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she tell you about those phone calls?

A: Yes. Every day someone was calling, calling her up like three, four times a day, and pretty much an obscene phone call.

Q: And this is when she moved into Gretna Green?

A: Yes

Q: Did she ever tell you that she was fearful because of these phone calls? MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: Did she ever file a police report?

A: Yes.

Q: When did she file the police report, if you know?

A: During the time when she was worried about her safety. I don't know the time frame.

Q: Did she tell you that Detective Fuhrman and Phillips were the investigating officers during those phone calls?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: I don't know. BY MR. BAKER:

Q: The police found a suspect, didn't they?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And they identified one person who they believed were making the phone calls. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And that was not OJ. Simpson. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: And in fact Nicole asked OJ. to keep an eye on her because of these phone calls. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: She was concerned about her safety, and she was concerned about the safety of her children. True?

MR. PETROCELLI: Objection. Leading.

THE WITNESS: True. Actually, Nicole spoke to that guy.

BY MR. BAKER:

Q: Nicole spoke to the caller?

A: The caller.

Q: When did she speak to the caller?

A: That-when the guy was investigated. I mean when they found the guy.

Q: What did she say to him?

A: She said, "You have to stop calling me."

Q: Did she call him up?

A: No. I think the guy called again.

[martin II]

weezer

i was looking for the info on furhman and ran across this. cora talking about faye bad influence on nicole.

Cora Fishmans Nicoles friend's testimony.

Dangerous because she was going out a lot with Faye and doing this soliciting, doing threesome and soliciting men, and I thought that that was-to me that was a dangerous lifestyle. That's how I-
Q: Well, when you say "dangerous," are you talking about dangerous because she may develop AIDS or some illness-

A: Yes, yes-

Q: -or are you-excuse me- talking about danger became somebody may come home and kill her? What kind of danger are you talking about?

A: Pretty much everything dangerous that-she actually was afraid of AIDS, too, you know. Health likewise. Dangerous lifestyle. It's-that's how you call it: Dangerous lifestyle.

Q: Well-

A: I don't mean physically-it could be physical, too, because somebody-a lot of the guys that they've been going out, to me they could harm her, because she's a very attractive woman.

Q: Okay. But when you have used the term a "dangerous lifestyle" during the course of this deposition, in your mind what you're thinking about principally is developing AIDS or some other virus or illness as a result of this type of lifestyle?

A: It's-not just that. It's just a lifestyle. It's kind of like she was playing with fire. She was going out, soliciting men and, you know, going out with Faye to different clubs and stuff like that.

[n.n]

Looks like she was determined to punish her husband the way she described in her letter:
"... Right now I am so angry! If I didn't know that the courts would take Sydney & Justin away from me if I did this I would (expletive) every guy including some that you know just to let you know how it feels."

That poor woman should have changed her therapist, because in my opinion, she was showing signs of self-destructive behavior. Very, very sad.

[martin II]

Looks like she was determined to punish her husband the way she described in her letter:
"... Right now I am so angry! If I didn't know that the courts would take Sydney & Justin away from me if I did this I would (expletive) every guy including some that you know just to let you know how it feels."

That poor woman should have changed her therapist, because in my opinion, she was showing signs of self-destructive behavior. Very, very sad.

n.n.
yep

it was very sad that she allowed it to get to that point.
martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer

i was looking for the info on furhman and ran across this. cora talking about faye bad influence on nicole.

<snipped>

Yeah, uh huh! Please don't think that you are absolved of finding out the "info on Fuhrman!" I think that we ALL know the answer one way or the other, but we still need to hear if what you have said is the truth or not. If you are wrong, you will then need to apologize to everyone on the Board!

JMO and MOO!!

[n.n]

"Q: Did she tell you that Detective Fuhrman and Phillips were the investigating officers during those phone calls?"

[koolchick]

Looks like she was determined to punish her husband the way she described in her letter:
"... Right now I am so angry! If I didn't know that the courts would take Sydney & Justin away from me if I did this I would (expletive) every guy including some that you know just to let you know how it feels."

That poor woman should have changed her therapist, because in my opinion, she was showing signs of self-destructive behavior. Very, very sad.

Her problem was OJ. She needed a therapist to get away from OJ. He cheated so many times. She wanted to pay him back.

What's really sad is that he treated anyone that way. He's a dirt bag.

[martin II]

In Cora Fishmans testimony when asked if nicole told her furhman and phillips were the investigating officers she responded
I don't know.

martin II

[martin II]

Her problem was OJ. She needed a therapist to get away from OJ. He cheated so many times. She wanted to pay him back.

What's really sad is that he treated anyone that way. He's a dirt bag.

wiliam c dear in his book "Oj is guilty but not of murder" he talks about some period of time when Oj, Nicole and jason saw the same therapist. Very interesting material.
martin II

[fbgweezer]

wiliam c dear in his book "Oj is guilty but not of murder" he talks about some period of time when Oj, Nicole and jason saw the same therapist. Very interesting material.
martin II

that may have been during the time when Jason took a baseball bat and beat the statue of orenthal............

[martin II]

that may have been during the time when Jason took a baseball bat and beat the statue of orenthal............

weezer

nope. It was long term and on going. The odd thing reported by Mr Dear is that when the murders happened, the therapist destroyed all of the session records and moved to Texas.
MARTIN ii

[fbgweezer]

weezer

nope. It was long term and on going. The odd thing reported by Mr Dear is that when the murders happened, the therapist destroyed all of the session records and moved to Texas.
MARTIN ii

LOL -- the poor NG's -- now we have the conspirators and framers of poor ole orenthal moving to Texas...........LOL

[martin II]

LOL -- the poor NG's -- now we have the conspirators and framers of poor ole orenthal moving to Texas...........LOL

it may be that you misunderstood what was in my post. There was no referance to anyone being accused of framming OJ.
The book is for sale on the net if you happen to be interested. if not---:seeya:
martin II

[fbgweezer]

it may be that you misunderstood what was in my post. There was no referance to anyone being accused of framming OJ.
The book is for sale on the net if you happen to be interested. if not---:seeya:
martin II

hmmm -- I still think this was the time period when Jason took the baseball bat to orenthal's statue.

[koolchick]

weezer

nope. It was long term and on going. The odd thing reported by Mr Dear is that when the murders happened, the therapist destroyed all of the session records and moved to Texas.
MARTIN ii

Yes, anyone who could expose OJ for who he really was received death threats.

[martin II]

Yes, anyone who could expose OJ for who he really was received death threats.

:shrug:


martin II

[socaldiva]

"Q: Did she tell you that Detective Fuhrman and Phillips were the investigating officers during those phone calls?"

What are you quoting from? You are supposed to identify the source. ;)

[fbgweezer]

What are you quoting from? You are supposed to identify the source. ;)

he posted that this was Cora Fishman's deposition -- her response was "I don't know."

[Kayleighjo]

The kicker on the Cora Fischman thing is that originally she wanted to co-author Faye's book with her.

Cora's also the one that first told the world about Nicole's lesbian encounter with Faye.

I think that pretty much says it all.

[n.n]

In Cora Fishmans testimony when asked if nicole told her furhman and phillips were the investigating officers she responded
I don't know.

martin II

The word was not "if" but "that". I think that means that they were the investigating officers, indeed, and the person who asked the question knew. Just my (grammatical) opinion, though. lol
Where are the English majors? ;)

[fbgweezer]

The kicker on the Cora Fischman thing is that originally she wanted to co-author Faye's book with her.

Cora's also the one that first told the world about Nicole's lesbian encounter with Faye.

I think that pretty much says it all.

don't forget, at the time she claims to be giving the Simpsons her sage advice, she was sleeping with the grocery bag boy and putting Nicole in the position to lie for her. Yep, she was quite the friend.

[martin II]

don't forget, at the time she claims to be giving the Simpsons her sage advice, she was sleeping with the grocery bag boy and putting Nicole in the position to lie for her. Yep, she was quite the friend.

weezer

Cora Fishman
In her testimony she told the truth about nicoles dangerous lifestyle, her involvement with faye and OJ.

Her affair with another man was true but had nothing to do with the information she gave about her friend Nicole. What was she to do, lie under oath?

martin II

[fbgweezer]

weezer

Cora Fishman
In her testimony she told the truth about nicoles dangerous lifestyle, her involvement with faye and OJ.

Her affair with another man was true but had nothing to do with the information she gave about her friend Nicole. What was she to do, lie under oath?

martin II

Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."

Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson.

[martin II]

Friend of Nicole's tells of O.J.'s threats
NEW YORK - A close friend of Nicole Brown Simpson who has remained loyal to O.J. Simpson said in a deposition that Ms. Simpson once told her of a threat by her former husband.

Cora Fishman quoted Ms. Simpson as saying that Simpson warned, "If I ever see you with another man, I'll kill you," the New York Daily News said Thursday, citing unidentified sources.

Fishman, 41, was questioned privately by attorneys this week in preparation for the trial of a wrongful death suit against Simpson.

Fishman also said Simpson told her in the weeks before the June 12, 1994, killings of Ms. Simpson and friend Ronald Goldman that he was upset at his former wife "because she wouldn't make a commitment to him."

Fishman, who is separated, said she and Simpson are close friends and she brings her daughter to his home to play with his daughter, according to the sources. It was Fishman's husband, Ron, who took videos of Simpson at daughter Sydney's dance recital the day of the killings.

Sources told the News that Simpson, who attended Fishman's deposition, became agitated when she was questioned about reports linking her romantically to Simpson.

Fishman acknowledged accompanying Simpson on an overnight trip to Santa Barbara but said there was no romance. She also denied that hours before the killings she had a falling-out with Ms. Simpson.

weezer

Last week you said you did not believe any of Cora Fishmans testimony.

How about posting this info from Coras testimony so that we will not have to try to Believe what SOURCES said.

Is this an attempt to muddy up Cora Fishman because of her testimony?
martin II

[n.n]

weezer

Last week you said you did not believe any of Cora Fishmans testimony.

How about posting this info from Coras testimony so that we will not have to try to Believe what SOURCES said.

Is this an attempt to muddy up Cora Fishman because of her testimony?
martin II

I don't know. But who's this Mr. or Mrs. Sources? :D I have a problem with people who are dishonest enough to give out information they are not supposed to.

What kind of commitment are they talking about? Quit smoking, quit being around bad friends? Too fuzzy, in my opinion, to be considered of any value.
Btw. I have sworn today that never again I will threaten my husband to kill him, if he scratches another one of my CDs. Was it just a rhetoric thread? Was it a serious threat?

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer

Cora Fishman
In her testimony she told the truth about nicoles dangerous lifestyle, her involvement with faye and OJ.

Her affair with another man was true but had nothing to do with the information she gave about her friend Nicole. What was she to do, lie under oath?

martin II

What was she to do, lie under oath?

Yeah, pretty much like what OJ did in all of his testimonies/depositions, etc., his Lie Detector Test and oh, of course, don't forget the Civil Trial! :eek:

JMO and MOO!!

[sassylassy]

Yes, anyone who could expose OJ for who he really was received death threats.


Hi KC

welcome aboard, its nice to see another new poster join us ;)

So do tell ....Who received death threats?

this is "new" to me ...I never heard this before!:read:

[Kayleighjo]

Btw. I have sworn today that never again I will threaten my husband to kill him, if he scratches another one of my CDs. Was it just a rhetoric thread? Was it a serious threat?

I guess that question will be of importance if your husband actually ends up dead.

[fbgweezer]

weezer

Last week you said you did not believe any of Cora Fishmans testimony.

How about posting this info from Coras testimony so that we will not have to try to Believe what SOURCES said.

Is this an attempt to muddy up Cora Fishman because of her testimony?
martin II

martin, cora's deposition has been posted. In fact, not that long ago. If you remember, she testified that at the time of Nicole's death, the only person Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.

[fbgweezer]

I guess that question will be of importance if your husband actually ends up dead.

LOL -- perfect!

[martin II]

martin, cora's deposition has been posted. In fact, not that long ago. If you remember, she testified that at the time of Nicole's death, the only person Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.


weezer
So it is not true that you do not believe any of Coras testimony as previously stated.

i know what Cora testified to. i was talking about YOUR Mr and Mrs SOURCES reporting.
martinII

[fbgweezer]

weezer
So it is not true that you do not believe any of Coras testimony as previously stated.

i know what Cora testified to. i was talking about YOUR Mr and Mrs SOURCES reporting.
martinII

you're too funny! I was simply pointing out that IF YOU believed cora's testimony that Nicole was not afraid of orenthal during the time she was receiving the phone calls, then you would also believe her when she said that at the time of her death, the only person Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.

[fbgweezer]

weezer
So it is not true that you do not believe any of Coras testimony as previously stated.

i know what Cora testified to. i was talking about YOUR Mr and Mrs SOURCES reporting.
martinII

I could have said 'some say' or 'it's been said' which seem to be your favorite resources for your statements but I was actually quoting from http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/nns098.htm

[martin II]

you're too funny! I was simply pointing out that IF YOU believed cora's testimony that Nicole was not afraid of orenthal during the time she was receiving the phone calls, then you would also believe her when she said that at the time of her death, the only person Nicole was afraid of was orenthal.

weezer

I will try to help you again.

I have not found any reason to disbelieve Coras testimony. I don't doubt that nicole may have said she was afraid of oj.

I am not sure what that automatically translates to as we do know that nicoles fellings went from cold to hot to cold as far as oj is concerned.

MARTIN ii

[koolchick]

Hi KC

welcome aboard, its nice to see another new poster join us ;)

So do tell ....Who received death threats?

this is "new" to me ...I never heard this before!:read:

Thanks for the welcome. I have posted here off and on for a long time. But, this is the first that I've posted on the new board.

Have you ever read the Kato book? That's a good place to start. Faye Resnick spoke of threats. There were several others that I can't think of right now. And, the most important one.....Nicole. She also received death threats.

[koolchick]

Btw. I have sworn today that never again I will threaten my husband to kill him, if he scratches another one of my CDs. Was it just a rhetoric thread? Was it a serious threat?

I don't think it counts unless you abuse him. Did your husband truly believe that you would kill him? Did he tell other people that you threatened to kill him. Did you abuse him outside of threatening to kill him? You know, have the cops called on you (you run). Leave black and blue marks. Plea guilty to "hurting" him?

[fbgweezer]

weezer

I will try to help you again.

I have not found any reason to disbelieve Coras testimony. I don't doubt that nicole may have said she was afraid of oj.

I am not sure what that automatically translates to as we do know that nicoles fellings went from cold to hot to cold as far as oj is concerned.

MARTIN ii

you're going to help me? ROFLMAO

the fact of the matter is, at the time of her death, Nicole was afraid of only one person and that person was orenthal james simpson. It doesn't matter that she was receiving phone calls years earlier.

Nicole's feelings had gone cold and removed orenthal from her life -- along with his expensive presents, etc.

[koolchick]

weezer

I will try to help you again.

I have not found any reason to disbelieve Coras testimony. I don't doubt that nicole may have said she was afraid of oj.

I am not sure what that automatically translates to as we do know that nicoles fellings went from cold to hot to cold as far as oj is concerned.

MARTIN ii

Cora also said that OJ was upset with Nicole the week of the murder because she wouldn't commit. Now, you were saying earlier that OJ was so over Nicole and thinking about Paula and the other girl.

So, your theory has been proven wrong by your own "believable" source. IMO He was indeed upset that Nicole wouldn't commit.

[Kayleighjo]

Cora also said that OJ was upset with Nicole the week of the murder because she wouldn't commit. Now, you were saying earlier that OJ was so over Nicole and thinking about Paula and the other girl.

So, your theory has been proven wrong by your own "believable" source. IMO He was indeed upset that Nicole wouldn't commit.

Love it ... LOVE IT!

[martin II]

Cora also said that OJ was upset with Nicole the week of the murder because she wouldn't commit. Now, you were saying earlier that OJ was so over Nicole and thinking about Paula and the other girl.

So, your theory has been proven wrong by your own "believable" source. IMO He was indeed upset that Nicole wouldn't commit.

kc
commit to what.

maby oj was not willing to allow Nicole to continue the dangerous lifestyle cora described in her testiony.


martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip*
maby oj was not willing to allow Nicole to continue the dangerous lifestyle cora described in her testiony.


So he killed her to put an end to it?

[fbgweezer]

kc
commit to what.

maby oj was not willing to allow Nicole to continue the dangerous lifestyle cora described in her testiony.


martin II

nah -- he was groveling

[martin II]

nah -- he was groveling

weezer

after reviewing the long list of male friends faye said nicole had had and being informed of the dangerous lifestyle(bar pickup and threesomes) Cora testified to, i believe oj had to know it was time for him to move away from nicole and towards Paula or someone else which is exactly what he did.
Cora and OJ warned her that her adpoted lifestyle was dangerous.

martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip* i believe oj had to know it was time for him to move away from nicole and towards Paula or someone else which is exactly what he did.


Rubbish! Nicole dumped HIM & so did Paula. Neither one wanted him on 6/12 ;)

[fbgweezer]

weezer

after reviewing the long list of male friends faye said nicole had had and being informed of the dangerous lifestyle(bar pickup and threesomes) Cora testified to, i believe oj had to know it was time for him to move away from nicole and towards Paula or someone else which is exactly what he did.
Cora and OJ warned her that her adpoted lifestyle was dangerous.

martin II

faye? cora? seems like you want to pick and choose which part of faye's and cora's statements/testimony you want to believe. LOL They BOTH said that at the time of her death, Nicole was afraid of orenthal.

He hadn't moved on -- he didn't want to.

[martin II]

faye? cora? seems like you want to pick and choose which part of faye's and cora's statements/testimony you want to believe. LOL They BOTH said that at the time of her death, Nicole was afraid of orenthal.

He hadn't moved on -- he didn't want to.

weezer

The part of Fayes testimony where she gave the list of all the men nicole had been with coinsides with what Cora and others said about Nicole Dangerous lifestyle before her death. So i am inclined to go along with that part.

I believe most all of Coras testimony even the part where she belives nicole was afraid of oj. nicole being afraid is in no way connected to who killed her and her new boyfriend.
martin II

[socaldiva]

*snip* nicole being afraid is in no way connected to who killed her and her new boyfriend.
martin II

Ron wasn't her "new boyfriend".

[koolchick]

kc
commit to what.

maby oj was not willing to allow Nicole to continue the dangerous lifestyle cora described in her testiony.


martin II

She didn't say that it was because of the dangerous lifestyle. Couldn't commit. Means a relationship. Not a lifestyle.

OJ led a much more dangerous lifestyle than Nicole ever could. He did more drugs. He had WAY MORE partners. Nicoles lifestyle that you keep trying to act like is so dangerous was nothing compared to OJ's.

:rolleyes:

[fbgweezer]

weezer

The part of Fayes testimony where she gave the list of all the men nicole had been with coinsides with what Cora and others said about Nicole Dangerous lifestyle before her death. So i am inclined to go along with that part.

I believe most all of Coras testimony even the part where she belives nicole was afraid of oj. nicole being afraid is in no way connected to who killed her and her new boyfriend.
martin II

you make no sense -- a drug addict and adulterer talk about Nicole's lifestyle and YOU are inclined to go along with the 'dangerous' part............LOL

At the time of her death, Nicole was home after spending the evening with her family and children. Her children were in bed. There were no drugs in her system on the night she died. There is no evidence that she owed a drug dealer. She was not murdered by 'new' or 'old' boyfriends. On the night of her death, according to the people you are inclined to go along with, Nicole Brown was afraid of one person. That one person was orenthal james simpson -- the man who spent 17 years tormenting and abusing her.

[koolchick]

weezer

after reviewing the long list of male friends faye said nicole had had and being informed of the dangerous lifestyle(bar pickup and threesomes) Cora testified to, i believe oj had to know it was time for him to move away from nicole and towards Paula or someone else which is exactly what he did.
Cora and OJ warned her that her adpoted lifestyle was dangerous.

martin II

hahaha.....that is so funny

Like I said above OJ's lifestyle was way worse than anything Nicole could ever do.

[koolchick]

you make no sense -- a drug addict and adulterer talk about Nicole's lifestyle and YOU are inclined to go along with the 'dangerous' part............LOL

At the time of her death, Nicole was home after spending the evening with her family and children. Her children were in bed. There were no drugs in her system on the night she died. There is no evidence that she owed a drug dealer. She was not murdered by 'new' or 'old' boyfriends. On the night of her death, according to the people you are inclined to go along with, Nicole Brown was afraid of one person. That one person was orenthal james simpson -- the man who spent 17 years tormenting and abusing her.

Great Post!!

:beer:

It is hard to believe that there are people who still make excuses for this man and believe what he has to say.

[martin II]

you make no sense -- a drug addict and adulterer talk about Nicole's lifestyle and YOU are inclined to go along with the 'dangerous' part............LOL

At the time of her death, Nicole was home after spending the evening with her family and children. Her children were in bed. There were no drugs in her system on the night she died. There is no evidence that she owed a drug dealer. She was not murdered by 'new' or 'old' boyfriends. On the night of her death, according to the people you are inclined to go along with, Nicole Brown was afraid of one person. That one person was orenthal james simpson -- the man who spent 17 years tormenting and abusing her.

wezer
i don't think Cora or Faye was talking about the day Nicole was murdered.
I think they were talking +about the weeks and months before she was murdered.

martin II

[n.n]

I do admit ((koolchick)) I was a bit off with my commenting on the hearsay that Mr. Simpson may have threatened his wife to kill her.
My problem here is that, if Mr. Simpson had a rage issue, he most likely would have turned violent when witnessing the "living room" scene. I don't think he cared much for any woman in his life (save those he cared enough to marry). The fact that he dissed Paula by not taking her along to the recital speaks to viewing her more or less as just another of his many playmates.
I do agree with Wagner's view that if he really killed her, it was not the "culmination" of his abuse pattern. Apparently, the evening she was murdered, Mrs. Simpson was not with another man. And Paula was obviously the one he chose from his pool of women (smile) to be seen with in public at that time. I don't think he cared enough for her to trigger the rage in which he allegedly killed Mr. Goldman and his ex-wife.

[martin II]

She didn't say that it was because of the dangerous lifestyle. Couldn't commit. Means a relationship. Not a lifestyle.

OJ led a much more dangerous lifestyle than Nicole ever could. He did more drugs. He had WAY MORE partners. Nicoles lifestyle that you keep trying to act like is so dangerous was nothing compared to OJ's.

:rolleyes:

kc
it was cora that thought that what nicole and faye was doing was very dangerous. read her testimony.
martin II

[koolchick]

I do admit ((koolchick)) I was a bit off with my commenting on the hearsay that Mr. Simpson may have threatened his wife to kill her.
My problem here is that, if Mr. Simpson had a rage issue, he most likely would have turned violent when witnessing the "living room" scene. I don't think he cared much for any woman in his life (save those he cared enough to marry). The fact that he dissed Paula by not taking her along to the recital speaks to viewing her more or less as just another of his many playmates.
I do agree with Wagner's view that if he really killed her, it was not the "culmination" of his abuse pattern. Apparently, the evening she was murdered, Mrs. Simpson was not with another man. And Paula was obviously the one he chose from his pool of women (smile) to be seen with in public at that time. I don't think he cared enough for her to trigger the rage in which he allegedly killed Mr. Goldman and his ex-wife.


It was about control with Simpson. I have seen many people bring up Simpsons lack of rage regarding the brentwood hello as some type of evidence that he wasn't jealous. They weren't actually "together" at that time. Simpson couldn't really say much. The only way he could control the situation is to threaten action regarding the kids. "The kids could hear/see/walk in - The kids shouldn't be around certain people". He didn't seem to care about himself doing that. His girlfriend was around his children and she did cocaine. He was hanging out with dancers. Now, we don't know if Christy actually did coccaine around the children. But, we also don't know if Faye did cocaine around the children. We don't know if any of the dancers were hooking up with him at his house. But, we also know that the "working girls" that Simpson referred to Nicole hanging out with were actually at her house for a party. So, how is she worse than Simpson? She wasn't. So, how could he order her around or throw things up in her face?

I don't think that Paula was the reason he killed Nicole. I think it was a accumulation of events. There were things that happened those last two days that made him mad. Nicole was afraid for her life before Paula dumped him. Nicole told her friends that he was stalking her before Paula dumped him. It was all different this time.

[fbgweezer]

wezer
i don't think Cora or Faye was talking about the day Nicole was murdered.
I think they were talking +about the weeks and months before she was murdered.

martin II

in the weeks and months before she was murdered, cora and faye said Nicole was afraid of one person. That person was orenthal james simpson.

[fbgweezer]

kc
it was cora that thought that what nicole and faye was doing was very dangerous. read her testimony.
martin II

I would have thought cora the married woman sleeping with the bag boy would have been much more dangerous than anything Nicole was doing.

[martin II]

I would have thought cora the married woman sleeping with the bag boy would have been much more dangerous than anything Nicole was doing.

weezer

Exactly what is the difference if Cora had a affair with a Bag boy as you say and having a affair with with someone picked up in a bar and having a threesom.

do you have a thing against bag boys?

martin II

[martin II]

It was about control with Simpson. I have seen many people bring up Simpsons lack of rage regarding the brentwood hello as some type of evidence that he wasn't jealous. They weren't actually "together" at that time. Simpson couldn't really say much. The only way he could control the situation is to threaten action regarding the kids. "The kids could hear/see/walk in - The kids shouldn't be around certain people". He didn't seem to care about himself doing that. His girlfriend was around his children and she did cocaine. He was hanging out with dancers. Now, we don't know if Christy actually did coccaine around the children. But, we also don't know if Faye did cocaine around the children. We don't know if any of the dancers were hooking up with him at his house. But, we also know that the "working girls" that Simpson referred to Nicole hanging out with were actually at her house for a party. So, how is she worse than Simpson? She wasn't. So, how could he order her around or throw things up in her face?

I don't think that Paula was the reason he killed Nicole. I think it was a accumulation of events. There were things that happened those last two days that made him mad. Nicole was afraid for her life before Paula dumped him. Nicole told her friends that he was stalking her before Paula dumped him. It was all different this time.

kc
if oj did not harm Nicole when he viewed her in that intimate position with KZ
with his kids upstairs, i don't think not being invited to a after recital dinner would have meant anything. imo

martin II

[martin II]

in the weeks and months before she was murdered, cora and faye said Nicole was afraid of one person. That person was orenthal james simpson.

AND

martin II

[2L8 4A D8]

weezer

Exactly what is the difference if Cora had a affair with a Bag boy as you say and having a affair with with someone picked up in a bar and having a threesom.

do you have a thing against bag boys?

martin II

Firstly, Cora WAS married when she had an affair with the Bag Boy! Secondly, Nicole was NOT married and WAS single. Nicole's sex life was nobody's business, except her's ~ period ~ end of story! That's what the difference WAS, duh! How many times do you have to be told that? What part of that don't you understand? Good gawd!

Your last paragraph is disgusting and has no relevance whatsoever to the OJ Simpson case of his double-murder of Nicole and Ron! :punch:

JMO and MOO!!

[socaldiva]

AND

martin II


AND....he killed her.

[fbgweezer]

weezer

Exactly what is the difference if Cora had a affair with a Bag boy as you say and having a affair with with someone picked up in a bar and having a threesom.

do you have a thing against bag boys?

martin II

does this mean you accept all of cora's statement? Including the part that at the time of her murder, the only person Nicole was afraid of was orenthal james simpson?

[fbgweezer]

kc
if oj did not harm Nicole when he viewed her in that intimate position with KZ
with his kids upstairs, i don't think not being invited to a after recital dinner would have meant anything. imo

martin II

where have you been? didn't you hear him ranting and raging on the 911 tape? It meant a lot to him.

[martin II]

where have you been? didn't you hear him ranting and raging on the 911 tape? It meant a lot to him.

At Greta Green he had a right to complain about Nicole having a party at her house for some prostitutes where addicts were present while his children were in the house. he did not touch her and most of what was on that tape was oj talking to Kato.

martin II

[fbgweezer]

At Greta Green he had a right to complain about Nicole having a party at her house for some prostitutes where addicts were present while his children were in the house. he did not touch her and most of what was on that tape was oj talking to Kato.

martin II

look, orenthal was raging about Nicole and he didn't care about his children being in the house -- he proved that on the night that he butche