Redneck "Locals"

[gacountry]

I declared I would not post on this "debil" forum ever again~~but enough is enough! We "locals" are citizens of Ocilla and Irwin County we choose to live here, we have an excellent community and wonderful people and yes EVEN wonderful Law Emforcement.
Tara Grinstead a beautiful young teacher decided of her own free will to make her home and life in our community. We welcomed her with open arms and grew to love and respect her. WE did not judge her as I have seen so many here do. We excepted the fact that she was a grown lady and of course she would have gentleman callers. Now with this said Irwin County had Nothing to do with her choice in men, neither did her family. Tara choose on her own who to love, date and/or have relations with. This was none of Irwin County citizens business.
She choose on her Own where to live, who to love , who to be friends with, what to wear, and we still loved her.
Now we come to the sad part, something happened to Tara while she lived in Irwin County, The "locals" or citizens of Irwin County and Ocilla did not do this! Someone with malice in their heart did a horrible thing, who that someone is has not been proved and you who are so quick to judge our community for it are so blind. Our community is "exhausted" we have lived this and you all have just visited and condemed us, Why? Our Local Law Enforcement have faults, true, but so does yours. Our LE and "locals" have searched every phy-chick idea and every tip given, countless man and woman hours. We have fed the searchers that came from all over the country and we have welcomed them with open arms. And then we come to these boards and you arm chair detectives condem us for our efforts and make up stories to suit your idea of this crime without any concern for Tara her family or us dreaded "locals". Is this all you have to do with your time?
Then you have the gall to sit back in your arm chair and ask "locals" for information. When we give YOU Facts you flip us off as unknowing and build your own "facts" to suit your story line. You all make me sick, have you ever thought if something BAD happened in your community you would be a "local" and if you got out and searched and helped you would be a stupid ignorant "local" and if your LE did not solve the case in 2 hours and post all their evidence on this site they to would be stupid and ignorant!
Folks we love Tara we want closure not your sarcasm.

[concernedperson]

I am sorry maybe I haven't had enough caffeine but what is a "debil" forum?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I am sorry maybe I haven't had enough caffeine but what is a "debil" forum?

If this is all you got from my heart felt post this is another reason to feel sorry for you guys.
On another board I called this board the devil and in our redneck local slang it became De debil borad.
Wish I could find Tara as easily as I explained that tidbit of fact finding information. Have 2 more cups of caffine, I think you need them lol

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I am sorry maybe I haven't had enough caffeine but what is a "debil" forum?
LOl I think the person meant to say devil. Dont worry its not the coffee lol.

[Mindis]

I've never attacked the locals of Ocilla.. The LE on the other hand has made some of us wonder. I haven't thought much until they called off that search that ran behind Harper land. Why?!? Tara is missing. Every square inch of Ocilla should be searched. Everyone should be cooperative. Why would MH's mother call the LE and have it called off?!? It doesn't make sense IMO.. Their concern should be for Tara.. I would think MH's mother would want to clear her son's name so why not let them search her land?!? It just doesn't sound right and upsets some of us that LE would call it off.. Why?!? Anyway, I have nothing against the locals of Ocilla.. If you feel I have offended you and your town in any way I apologize.. I just want Tara to be found. No stone unturned.. May god bless you and your town..

Prayers for Tara.. :rose:

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by gacountry
I declared I would not post on this "debil" forum ever again~~but enough is enough! We "locals" are citizens of Ocilla and Irwin County we choose to live here, we have an excellent community and wonderful people and yes EVEN wonderful Law Emforcement.
Tara Grinstead a beautiful young teacher decided of her own free will to make her home and life in our community. We welcomed her with open arms and grew to love and respect her. WE did not judge her as I have seen so many here do. We excepted the fact that she was a grown lady and of course she would have gentleman callers. Now with this said Irwin County had Nothing to do with her choice in men, neither did her family. Tara choose on her own who to love, date and/or have relations with. This was none of Irwin County citizens business.
She choose on her Own where to live, who to love , who to be friends with, what to wear, and we still loved her.
Now we come to the sad part, something happened to Tara while she lived in Irwin County, The "locals" or citizens of Irwin County and Ocilla did not do this! Someone with malice in their heart did a horrible thing, who that someone is has not been proved and you who are so quick to judge our community for it are so blind. Our community is "exhausted" we have lived this and you all have just visited and condemed us, Why? Our Local Law Enforcement have faults, true, but so does yours. Our LE and "locals" have searched every phy-chick idea and every tip given, countless man and woman hours. We have fed the searchers that came from all over the country and we have welcomed them with open arms. And then we come to these boards and you arm chair detectives condem us for our efforts and make up stories to suit your idea of this crime without any concern for Tara her family or us dreaded "locals". Is this all you have to do with your time?
Then you have the gall to sit back in your arm chair and ask "locals" for information. When we give YOU Facts you flip us off as unknowing and build your own "facts" to suit your story line. You all make me sick, have you ever thought if something BAD happened in your community you would be a "local" and if you got out and searched and helped you would be a stupid ignorant "local" and if your LE did not solve the case in 2 hours and post all their evidence on this site they to would be stupid and ignorant!
Folks we love Tara we want closure not your sarcasm.

I totally understand what you are saying but how come Dr. came up with evidence that the local LE didnt? I am not degrading the town anything like that but a lot of stuff has turned up that Dr has found that LE hasnt. Your gonna have media and people having opinions thats what the boards are for. Yes if I had someone daughter, family etc you bet I would want the media and LE involved until they were found. The town will be under some question until she is found and answers are served.

[benhill29]

I agree with this post 100%.:rose: Always for Tara

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by seekeroftruth
She said exactly what she meant. De debil. It is a humorous reference from the movie Waterboy. It was used in a vain effort to find humor in a most disturbing situation.

In your attempts to find fault in her post you settled in on something you didn't understand. That tells me you understand the rest and don't want to admit it.

The beauty of her message is found in the content of her words. It came from her heart and she deserves respect for it. Something that some of you seem to find elusive these days.

gacountry, I feel your pain and I heard your words loud and clear. Thank you for sharing them. They make perfect sense to me.

Ok now that we got that out of the way geez.... lighten up people we are here for Tara.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by seekeroftruth


The Dr. is building fodder for his book. THAT is why he found "evidence" that hadn't been found before. Let's examine what he found that wasn't found before? Some brown stains that MAY be blood? You can bet your sweet arse that if those stains were blood we'd know it by now. I'd have to bet it wasn't blood. A fingernail? After 5 months of that house being traipsed through, cleaned, inhabited overnight, messed up again and cleaned again - how much evidence do you really think could be found in it that is relevant?

Dr Godwin is ALREADY profiting from his "investigation". See findtara.com for proof of that. Nothing comes free in this world. I don't fault him for what he does for a living but to think he is the knight in shining armor that has come in and revealed something amazing is naive.

I will make a prediction for you. Dr. Godwin's next book will be titled "Investigating the Investigation: The Tara Grinstead Case". Mark my words. He's building the plot as we speak.

I totally disagree, because he has solved so many unsolved cases before. So what he wants to make a book he must be doing something right to get someone to call him to tell him to back off. Sorry but he wasnt the one to back off a search of MH Moms property the Sheriff was explain that one hummmm

[gacountry]

Think about this~~if our Local Law Enforcement and the GBI turned over every single bit of evidence they found on the scene to us~~~man that would be great would it not? Now after they give us all the gorey details of everything they found every scape of dust and finger nail trimmings they found, and even the good things like the dna on the tampon or whatever found in the trash can.
OK they have given us "common Joe and Ignorant Local" all the evidence. They arrest Mr, Somebody for the crime of whatever and they go to trail. Folks what will they use to base their case on? Don't you know who will go scott free because we were given the evidence. Our Justice System is not the best but its all we have and I for one want whoever harmed Tara to be judged and purnished not let off because LE and GBI gave us the evidence to play with.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by seekeroftruth


I'm so glad you mentioned that.

I have tried to find information about the cases he has solved. Could you provide that information? I'd love to take a look at that info.

I don't dispute that his involvement is good to have but if his focus is going to be on finding fault in what has been done rather than on finding Tara then I have concerns.

We want all the help we can get. Let's keep it focused on the positive aspect of finding Tara and whoever is responsible.

Go to his website and spend some time there and read all he has done and then prove your point ok....

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by gacountry
Think about this~~if our Local Law Enforcement and the GBI turned over every single bit of evidence they found on the scene to us~~~man that would be great would it not? Now after they give us all the gorey details of everything they found every scape of dust and finger nail trimmings they found, and even the good things like the dna on the tampon or whatever found in the trash can.
OK they have given us "common Joe and Ignorant Local" all the evidence. They arrest Mr, Somebody for the crime of whatever and they go to trail. Folks what will they use to base their case on? Don't you know who will go scott free because we were given the evidence. Our Justice System is not the best but its all we have and I for one want whoever harmed Tara to be judged and purnished not let off because LE and GBI gave us the evidence to play with.

Good point considering there is still alot of missing and unsolved case in Georgia yeah yeah Le our finest. I have nothing against LE considering mine is a LE officer and it just seems that this case from the start was not handled right imo.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Ocillian
4ANGELS:"to get someone to call him to tell him to back off."

This is his words. What makes you believe him? How do we know someone called him or drove up to where he was at in a camper, which I don't believe for one second.

I believe it and if you dont thats your opinion.

[concernedperson]

Reading here is giving me visions of Linda Blair in "The Exorcist". I haven't thought of that movie in years. LOL!

[gacountry]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Reading here is giving me visions of Linda Blair in "The Exorcist". I haven't thought of that movie in years. LOL!

Linda Blair? The Exorcist"? And you needed caffine to understand my "De Debil" comment.
Believe me our town has lived in the Accused Cursed Town with the Devil in our mist for the past 5 months plus, and all we want is a little respect. We have not hurt you people but you sure have had a hay day with us. Read back see how much respect we have been given and we are the ones that have given our all for Tara. We have seen our friends and Law Enforcement shed tears right alone beside us. We have prayed, stayed awake, saw the sadness in students eyes and we come here and try to enter act with you all and we get ridicule read back at any locals post then read the response and you will see it. It is saved for all to read just take time to do it. As I see it you all have that time because you are not down here having to live it everyday.

[country girl]

I have been reading this forum for several months now. And the conclusion i have come to is this: This is NOT a elementary school playground, we don't need any bullies, so everybody just sit back and take a deep breath. No I am not from Irwin County. But I do live in Dodge County which is about 2 counties over from Irwin Co. We Dodge COuntians have been through similar situations before and 'outsiders' will blast you~because they have their mindset~but WE live here! We KNOW things others don't know and probably shouldn't know. When a 'spotlight' is thrown on your town or county for 'bad' reasons, everybody wants to know everything or thinks they already know everything! Well, that ain't always the case. They are things that JOe or TOm or Jane know about their town they would prefer not everyone in the world know. It is pretty common that every town, city, county has their own little problems, but most don't get the 'coverage' that some do.
So it is with Irwin COunty now. NOBODY in this town or county ASKED for this to happen. Unfortunately, it DID happen and there is 1, maybe more, person(people) responsible. I want nothing more than this to be over, Tara's family to get closure, this town and county to get on with their lives. Thank you.

[Mindis]

Do you think it's possible for any or all of us to be on common ground?!? No one expects LE to "spill the beans". This is an investigation after all. Some people just believe they are not being "thorough". Some believe they are protecting their own.. There are some "dirty" cops out there.. They are all over the U.S.A. You may have some in Ocilla.. I don't know.. Things just don't seem right since they called off that search on Harper land.. Gives you an uneasy feeling and you can't help but wonder "what (or whom) are they hiding".. JMO..

[concernedperson]

Good story, Matthew. Now what was the question the 8 yr. asked his father? Don't leave us hanging.

[whoknowswhat]

Ocillian,

Please explain the to the masses how it is that you know these FACTS that you profess to know. It's just strange that you have these facts, but you are hasty to belittle the FACTS that others provide.

I will be very interested when all the FACTS are actually brought forth by the proper authorities. Those are the only FACTS which can truly be trusted. I just wish they were more forthcoming, but it is an INVESTIGATION, albeit a slow one.

[local]

I totally disagree, because he has solved so many unsolved cases before. So what he wants to make a book he must be doing something right to get someone to call him to tell him to back off. Sorry but he wasnt the one to back off a search of MH Moms property the Sheriff was explain that one hummmm



Read this and you will understand....

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_073221816.html?keyword=topstory



hopefully this will give you the answers you want.....

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Sassy
Let me ask one question for Seeker, GaCountry, and Ocillian from Ocilla.

Do you have a daughter, sister, grandchild???

If Tara had been your child and no progress had been made in 5 months, what would you do?

Would you seek outside help or sit back and still rely on the resources at hand?

In one sentence you say you want it to be over. In another sentence you discount what has been done to uncover new evidence as being "planted". For crying out loud people, what do you really want. You try to say the criminologist who "DID" receive a death threat is lying. Why would he contact the FBI??
They do not joke about such matters!! This is real, not a soap opera!! Not fodder for a book!!

Your fatigue in this situation matters "NOT" to me. It borders on selfishness. Again, I say, put yourself in the shoes of the family and then you might truly understand.

Not all of Ocilla thinks the same way as a few posters on this board. Thank goodness for that FACT.
Thank You so much Sassy.:)

[local]

B I declared I would not post on this "debil" forum ever again~~but enough is enough! We "locals" are citizens of Ocilla and Irwin County we choose to live here, we have an excellent community and wonderful people and yes EVEN wonderful Law Emforcement.
Tara Grinstead a beautiful young teacher decided of her own free will to make her home and life in our community. We welcomed her with open arms and grew to love and respect her. WE did not judge her as I have seen so many here do. We excepted the fact that she was a grown lady and of course she would have gentleman callers. Now with this said Irwin County had Nothing to do with her choice in men, neither did her family. Tara choose on her own who to love, date and/or have relations with. This was none of Irwin County citizens business.
Now with this said Irwin County had Nothing to do with her choice in men, neither did her family. Tara choose on her own who to love, date and/or have relations with. This was none of Irwin County citizens business.
Now we come to the sad part, something happened to Tara while she lived in Irwin County, The "locals" or citizens of Irwin County and Ocilla did not do this! Someone with malice in their heart did a horrible thing, who that someone is has not been proved and you who are so quick to judge our community for it are so blind. Our community is "exhausted" we have lived this and you all have just visited and condemed us, Why? Our Local Law Enforcement have faults, true, but so does yours. Our LE and "locals" have searched every phy-chick idea and every tip given, countless man and woman hours. We have fed the searchers that came from all over the country and we have welcomed them with open arms. And then we come to these boards and you arm chair detectives condem us for our efforts and make up stories to suit your idea of this crime without any concern for Tara her family or us dreaded "locals". Is this all you have to do with your time?
Then you have the gall to sit back in your arm chair and ask "locals" for information. When we give YOU Facts you flip us off as unknowing and build your own "facts" to suit your story line. You all make me sick, have you ever thought if something BAD happened in your community you would be a "local" and if you got out and searched and helped you would be a stupid ignorant "local" and if your LE did not solve the case in 2 hours and post all their evidence on this site they to would be stupid and ignorant!
Folks we love Tara we want closure not your sarcasm.
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Thanks alot! Finally someone said what I have felt all along....

God bless you!

[jela72]

Sorry, but this is a very condescending piece of literature, Matthews 7:1.

:no:

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


For the record - Seeker - once again you use highly emotional and erroneous language to make your opinion known. You really should use the IMO much more, of course that is IMO.

I did a simple elementary exercise that most kids learn in primary school and at Sunday school and is used at all levels of education. Considering this is a person in education who has been ripped from her life, I thought was apropos.

Once again Seeker - we will just have to agree to disagee once again!

As always imo.

[curious mom]

I'm sure I will appear new to all of you here, but I've been here all along, I just don't post much on this case, as I've had no info to post. But I would like to add something regarding the feelings you locals have with this board, the investigation, and your feelings of who should be looked at and who shouldn't be.

I, too, come from a relatively small community, much like Ocilla is described. We got our first stoplight just last year. On August 16th, 2002, we had a tragic murder, missing person's case. Mother and Father shot and killed in their home, 11 yr old daughter missing. One month later, 11 yr old Jennifer's remains were found in another small local community, with one shot to her little body also. To date, this is still an unsolved case, with only 1 POI in all this time, but nothing substantial to be able to arrest him.

At first, all the major cable stations positioned their camera's and broadcasts and tracked themselves all over these 2 counties. But that didn't last very long. To date, I continiously email each and every one of these major news networks trying to get them to do updates, to no avail. I have not been able to find any postings on this board about this crime. And in another forum, there was a small article, but I came onboard and posted almost every news article about the case, and still, to this day, nobody around here hears anything about it at all and almost nobody on the popular forum I posted to even looks at the case anymore.

I realize that this case is very different, but you guys there are so lucky and you don't even realize it. You have so many people in your community as well as outside your community doing every little thing they can to help. I'm sure it gets frustrating for you, and you hate seeing people you know being scruntinized for their every move, and those here from the outside being so suspicious of so many there. I'm sure it's hard to see alot of what's been said and who alot of those here think should be POI's, because you are local, and you do know these people, and are close to some of them. But, do you have any idea how all of us in our community feel, knowing that we have a crime that in all aspects appears to be much more serious than the one there, and all of the interest in the case here by outside media outlets seemed to have disappeared after about 2 months? Do you have any idea how this feels to us, in our little community?

When you see people come here day after day, no matter what it is they are saying or what they might think, just thank your lucky stars that so many people care about this case and are staying here for the long haul and helping in any way possible to help solve this case there. And when you see people post things about someone you are close to, don't be so objective, unless YOU were there, with that person, on that particular night/day in question, and know for a fact that the POI's mentioned in this forum could not possibly be guilty.

There is someone that has invaded your community, whether it is a local or outsider, and is responsible for Tara being missing. You don't know whether she is deceased or not, but the odds don't look good at all. You should be looking over your shoulders every single day, and not trusting anybody, and questioning everything. And before you mark anybody off your list of POI's, just think of Mary Winkler, the woman who confessed to killing her preacher husband last week. There's not a single person who knew this family who would have ever thought this could have happened, and everybody is completely stumped by it.

How we would love to trade places with you all, and have all this attention to our area, and the murder's of the Short family. I can't think of a person here that wouldn't welcome the solving of this case, no matter what it took. If you want all the media to go away, I would gladly give you our location and you could please ask them to come back to our little town, we'd welcome anything they could bring with open arms!

As for me, I have never and will never quit looking over my shoulder, never quit being suspicious of anybody, and will always wonder if my own neighboor could be harboring some horrid secret that I don't know about, not until I know what happened to Jennifer and her family.

Of course this is all MOO, and I don't mean to offend any of you, but you have no idea how it feels to be in a similar community that had something very tragic happen, and 3 1/2 years later, be no closer to the truth than the day it happened.

[suzee]

I can see everyone is so tired and frustrated today. I hope this will help. Please understand the search was not, let me repeat WAS NOT called off on the MH or the NR land. Their property has been searched and researched 4 different times by professionals and then too many times to count by local citizens and others who have been thru the designated search teams. Texas Equisearch scourered the land as did the local and out of town LE agencies. Their report was made at the Tara center on many occasions and they never said anything about NR or MH refusing searches. They were invited and welcomed to look for Tara. The day the "search on the adjacent property took place, the search was led by T's family and their investigator. If you have been a part of this case, you should know that the feelings Anita and Larry have towards Marcus and his mom have not been plesant. The LE was called that day as a witness and a protection service to Marcus and his mom so that no rumors, misconceptions, or problems would arise.
I have a sister and I love her. I would crawl to the end of the world to protect her and rescue her if she were missing. I can't say what I would or would not do and neither can anyone else. But I can say that this farm was searched many times and so was the land around it, and on that day the search continued. LE only asked that the searchers please find another avenue to travel to and from the farms other than the tiny path that travels in front of and connects to MH and his mom's home. I hope th is helps.

[NancynNC]

To curious mom,

We must live very close to each other. There is not a day that I do not think of little Jennifer. Her mom and dad killed and the scum that kidnapped her and later killed her. We would welcome the media. Ocilla seems to think it only happens to them. I pray that they do not have to wait for years for any kind of resolve.

For Jennifer, her family, and Tara...

:rose:

[concernedperson]

curious mom,

What a sad thing to happen in your community. Prayers for the Short family and all of you in your quest for justice.:rose:

[whoknowswhat]

...didn't mean to interrupt a flogging or anything.

I can take it. I tried to PM you, but you're box is full. Can you clear?

[whoknowswhat]

Originally posted by Ocillian
It's so obvious that Dr. G is posting on here. That's sad.

And what name do you suppose that Dr. G is posting under? Amazing that you think he would stop his work to manipulate the train of thought on this message board.

[whoknowswhat]

Originally posted by Ocillian
No, what's amazing are the ones replying to this.

I'll be glad to give up my identity as soon as you give up yours. You're way off base on that train of thought you're on. So far off that I find it rather comical.

[whoknowswhat]

FWIW, I think the "support" team is beginning to worry. However, I can empathize with those locals who feel they are being disrespected. There is a lot of BS on here that has to be filtered and some are just too thin skinned. I have seen plenty of valid points, but also a lot of speculation.

I would just like to see a resolution soon.

[mooloo]

I don't get the impression that Ocilla thinks it only happens to them at all. I do get the impression that they are tired of being under a microscope 24/7 and who can blame them? Who can blame them for wanting to have this resolved (one way or another) and to be allowed to get back to life as it was before Tara was so quickly snatched away from them.

And having said that, the 3 different cadaver dogs hitting on the same pond on different occasions surely built up a lot of expectation, only to be proven wrong again. What a let down for everyone.



Originally posted by NancynNC
To curious mom,

We must live very close to each other. There is not a day that I do not think of little Jennifer. Her mom and dad killed and the scum that kidnapped her and later killed her. We would welcome the media. Ocilla seems to think it only happens to them. I pray that they do not have to wait for years for any kind of resolve.

For Jennifer, her family, and Tara...

:rose:

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by seekeroftruth


What, are you the self appointed IMO police? lol

I don't recall reading that adding IMO was a requirement when posting on this board. It is actually added as a disclaimer by the choice of a poster so if they are proven wrong no one can come back and say "But you said..." (IMO of course) ;)

I joined these boards last year and followed the Blake trial and you better believe you had to state a fact with a link or add the words In My opinion. If not, you were thrown out. That was the way it was, but I think Hotwater is allowing local people to state what they know. Maybe to seek information, if I read her warning correctly.

This is where I am coming from and old habits are hard to break.

IMO (LOL)

[concernedperson]

I will say that Hotwater has given tons of leeway on this forum. Never before have I seen the leniency at CTV. I do believe the good people at CTV know that this is a solvable case and for Nancy Grace, Seamus McGraw, Steve Huff, Marilyn Bardsley and all that work so hard to help, I thank you.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Chalandrapi


Why? I think Dr. Godwin did a wonderful job and still is.

You are a sweetheart. Just between us I think he is doing a great job too.

[Babes]

I dont know why most of the threads turn into a warzone.

I believe that if you are not involved on this case then you dont have to worry anything. This is not about Ocilla. This is all about a missing woman and she just happened to live in Ocilla.

This is a court tv board where the theories and speculations are discussed and we share our own opinions regarding to what we know. We appreciate informations that anyone can share but we are not wasting our time to play a game on this board. There is a missing woman. Anybody on her circle will be discussed including AG , LG , Faye , HD , MH , AV or anybody else . I dont really care if my opinion points that way because these people i mentioned are still alive , kicking, eating ..I am not on this board because of them.... It is because of Tara and we wanted her to be found.

Why cant we all get along and try to open our minds to all possibilities instead of fighting. If you dont want to continue on this board then simply log-off If you hate someone on this board then ignore. To be honest with all of you , most of the courttv forum addicts are not even in here yet and when they do hit this board then expect this board to be burning like hell.

[Babes]

Originally posted by NancynNC


I joined these boards last year and followed the Blake trial and you better believe you had to state a fact with a link or add the words In My opinion. If not, you were thrown out. That was the way it was, but I think Hotwater is allowing local people to state what they know. Maybe to seek information, if I read her warning correctly.

This is where I am coming from and old habits are hard to break.

IMO (LOL)

I agree with you
I started at the Laci Peterson Board and i think those IMO, MOO, JMHO started from there from Coldwater

[concernedperson]

The one thing you aren't considering is Chalandrapi's safety. She did her search and reported it and was disavowed by the Tara Command Center. Even though she found something significant. Let her or me search with a respected force behind us. Just remember that a few weekends ago searchers were harassed at MH's mothers property. Guns were fired in protest or deflection. Whatever, it isn't worth our own lives if we don't have assurance that it is safe.

[gacountry]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chalandrapi
[B]


I came here and starting posting when I found a bone in one of my searches for Tara. I thought people might like to know about it. On my first week on this MB, I was called a lier and an outsider and one of those 3 hour away people. I was told by posting what I did, I was making fun of the local people. IMO, I never said anything bad about anyone local or not. I have never gone back out to help in the search for Tara again. I sit at my computer every spare minute that

Chalandrapi,
I think if I remember right you and another person went on this search alone and without The Tara Center or Local Law Enforcement knowing you were searching.
We have never refused or said we did not want people to come and search for Tara, we have welcomed all that we knew were searching with open arms and a free meal. The problem with Just going out and searching on your own is that it is not a search that The Tara Center knows about and your safety as well as the fact that anything found by you could be in question.
People do not seem to understand Tara is Our Main Concern, we have given time to Tara that we have taken away from family, friends and our daily chores as well as our jobs. I know I will get lots of negative feedback from this post but I am use to that.
People get this in your heads, Ocilla has opened its arms to the massed of reporters, cameramen, searchers and anyone that will help us. We are not uncaring monsters that met together and conspired to get rid of Tara. WE have been here for her before some of you knew she exsisted. She is a part of our city and county, she has touched the lives of OUR children so she will live forever in Irwin County.
If you can't come and help search don't run down those of us that feel compeled to. And Chandraphi feel free to come search anytime just let someone know where you are for your own sfety. And with that statement I don't mean safety from locals I promish you we will treat you and anyone else with the most respect and kindness you will find anywhere.
Ok my friends I am through Pick this post to death and have fun with it.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Concerned -

Two points.

1. Gosh - I had no idea that guns were fired. I hope someone was detained by police for such a harassing and illegal action. In this country, firing a gun PERIOD is use of deadly weapon to threaten or harm and I don't know any state where that is legal and no law enforcement worth his salt should ignore/overlook such a blatant disrespect.

That being said - I HAD NO IDEA... HEAVENS, I DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYONE INTO A LIONS DEN!

Are you sure the command center "disavowed" CHAL? I am completely confused why this would happen. :shrug:

2. Did I read that right and you and some people are driving down from Atlanta to help do your own searches with the right sort of backup because of safety?

This whole matter I thought was one of bullies on a message board. It is an entirely different thing if there is some sort of in your face intimidation.

And it sounds from your post it came from those who organized and carried out the search? Is this right?

The gun thing was reported last week. Searchers reported a man with a red dog and a "AK47" type weapon. Firings were heard at least a hundred times by searchers. No, we don't have an organized search from Atlanta.I am only concerned about Chalandrapi. As I feel she and Victoria were trying to do the right thing.I don't believe it is safe for individuals to search on their own right now. JMO.

[ldg]

Originally posted by seekeroftruth


I have done that long ago. I am looking for results oriented information not promotional information. I have no doubt that he has done a lot of investigative work. I am not disputing his qualifications. Not at all. I have respect for his education and what comes with that. I am interested in his outcomes and I don't think that can be found on his personal website. It is a business/promotional website so of course it will provide only the best and brightest opinions and snippets (as well it should)


you know i am fed up with all the sarcasm and hatefulness and i know what our law enforcement is because of the death of a loved one who died from lead poisoning. never got no explanation from the suit that was filed. if this case gets solved by local LE it would be a shocker.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


CONCERNED --

I AGREE!!!! I AM PMing CHAL right now.

AK47 - is he/are they behind bars? that is what I want to know?

I was on this search where "the shots were fired" The Sat, search that I was on was an invitation type thing since it was a search organized by Tara's family. There was about 30 in this search. This search this past weekend was the same way. Make up of people that had searched before, so if Chal was not invited this was why.
I have no idea if Chal was disrespected by the Tara Center but I truly doubt it. I think the question arose when she was just on a Sat. afternoon search on her own. And I am not saying there is anything wrong with her intentions just anything she found could have been questioned and that is what WE don't need. I pray that when this is over the evidence will be pure enough we can have a trail.
The way you described a search was how we conducted ours, some places we went into was much to dense to do the file and search method but we did the best we could.
The shots fired on that Sat. that we heard were 5 shots from a house area we were not frightened in the least, I admit we ducked when we heard the first shot but after that we knew it was a target practice type shot. I cannot vouch for Sun. because I could not go on that search.
The area you are speaking of that is MH and his Mommas was described to us as a two acre home site, we respected that area and the people that lived there.
I have found that what we do down here and what is posted on this board is two seperate worlds. One of our grids was directly in front of MH's house and we did not feel frightened at all. Our attention was focused on finding Tara.

[benhill29]

Originally posted by Sassy
To Whoknowswhat....

IMHO, it seems the "Irwin County Indians" are getting restless. What do you think??

The Indians are at this very moment unaware of who or where their chief is as far as getting this taken care, moved under the run, etc.

I will be posted my enlightening finds from Ocilla but I too got caught up on this particular board once I returned from my quest for whatever I could find.Stay stuned.
:rose: Alwasy for Tara

[benhill29]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


So nice to have you back again....

:seeya:

TY....it was a long day and now I am trying catch up on the boards...did i miss any thing...LOL
:rose: Always for Tara

[benhill29]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chalandrapi
[B]MATTHEWsevenone,

The Tara Command Center was told by me that I would like to go on the next search. Three weekends have gone by and I have not been invited. I heard of the searches in the media that has gone on since I asked if I could help.
I appreciate

if you want to go search I will go with you...if you will have me.
:rose: Always for Tara

[mooloo]

You folks that volunteered to search and never got called? Call Anita Gattis (Larry Gattis in Hawkinsville, GA for phone info) and tell her. SHE is the one doing the searches recently, I think...not sure.


Originally posted by benhill29
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chalandrapi
[B]MATTHEWsevenone,

The Tara Command Center was told by me that I would like to go on the next search. Three weekends have gone by and I have not been invited. I heard of the searches in the media that has gone on since I asked if I could help.
I appreciate

if you want to go search I will go with you...if you will have me.
:rose: Always for Tara

[mooloo]

FRom the Tifton Gazette this morning..

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_088224404.html?keyword=topstory




Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Moo -

Isn't there really one way to resolve this - FIND TARA?
Are there really any other options?

As to those dogs - what a puzzle! IT is really strange - two sites, four dogs at one, at least 3 at the other - yet no body.

Have you ever read anything like that before?

That is why I have asked about stats on missing persons in Ocilla and Irwin County.

Wouldn't you agree there has to be an explanation for those dogs? I could see one dog - or possibly (maybe) one site that gave the dogs fits.

BUT now two - and we don't even know if it was the same dogs - seems most strange to me. And truly unsettling.

And the seesaw - the high of anticipation and the low of failure.

I do feel for the GOOD people of IRWIN COUNTY and that whole state!

[sweettater]

Just to point out a FEW of the reasons locals don't even bother to post here - there's so much erroneous info here like the "shots" business. I know the people that own the land where the shots were coming from. It was indeed people shooting skeet. Had nothing whatsoever to do with mh or his family. I also know the cousins of the man that was walking with his dog & gun. It was NOT mh. Somewhere on one of these boards it was stated that Dr. G said that Virgil "denied" that he had told le it was him (Virgil). Well, those that know Virgil know that what Dr. G said (if he indeed said this) is not true. Things like this make locals totally not trust Dr. G (who would blame them?)
About le, I know people in Ocilla who know lots of guys who have dated TG who've been questioned by le. She was pretty, young and single. She had many suitors. Way lots more than those whose names have been in the public spotlight. Maybe, just maybe, ag needs to think about the potential embarrassment for her family if le or the Ocilla locals started naming publicly all the names of all the guys that they've had to interview. JMO.
I did not know TG and I do not know these poi's whose names have been plastered everywhere. But I DO know people who know them as well as lots of other guys they've had to interview.
I'm sure TG was a wonderful person and teacher and friend, but sometimes a person's life style choices come back and bite them. I'm not saying this is the case, just that it's a possibility.
Also, btw, jealousy CAN cause women to not like other beautiful women. But also if someone is perceived or suspected to be having dalliances with married men, it can make other women not quite as fond of them. TG is a wonderful human being I'm sure, but she, like the rest of us, has or had faults also. I guess this is a long way to say, these "public" pois are but a few in a much larger population of potential suspects. I don't mean this in any way to be derogatory toward tg, just statin' a couple of the many many facts that are known by locals but not known in cyberland. And yes, there is an iceberg, but I don't think it has anything to do with le. JMO and that of many others. I'm outta here.

[concernedperson]

The above post makes me cringe. One cannot take a victim and claim that a lifestyle could come back and bite them when someone has been abducted and murdered. Someone who was in her home and stolen into the night.

The attempt to portray Tara in this light is deplorable. I feel shame for you and if some of the locals feel the same way I suggest that they not post here as the info is mean and hateful.

[gacountry]

Like a sad country song "the picking and the digging" goes on.
No Matter what a Local or someome who know locals post you guys get out the big shovels and pick, pick, pick. Then you make up your own stories to suit your fancy disrespecting not only Tara but all of the county. When we locals post back to give you correct info. that WE know is happening you tear us apart like vultures.
Wait I just hit on the right word, yes, You all are like Vultures just witing to get the stinky stuff so you can feed off it.
Sweettater was posting the sad truth(?) that has came to light through this investigation, many men have been questioned and dna sampled. Now we don't know how many really were with Tara since she is not here to defend herself and men like to do their locker room bragging.
This news about Tara has been out there since day 1 but it has not kept Irwin County people from giving our all to bring this lovely girl home.
Tara is a lovely Child of God she became a Christian many years ago, she is a daughter to a loving very sick mother, she is a sister to a lady that is giving her all to find her baby sister, she is a friend to old and young alike, she is a wonderful teacher that will live in the hearts and MINDS of many children some of whom will stay in Irwin County. My point is no matter what the end results of this case will be Tara will always be a part of Irwin County. And I am not talking about the sad part of her missing I am talking about the wonderful part of her love, kindness and teaching, our kids will never forget.
And neither will I, so many things tht we had when this search started are no longer there, it is not as easy to search as it once was, but I know a group of us local people that will search forever if need be. But again I urge anyone searching to it the right way if we find anything we need for it to be evidence that can't be thrown out in a court of law. Please if you get nothing else from my post remember that.

[jela72]

concernedperson: I agree with you 100%. While we who are alive, kicking and yelling - even right here on this board: fine - say what you like about us. We're able to respond, ignore, defend or deal with such accusations. But!!! To degrade the missing-believe-murdered? NOT good. Borders on vile. Those are the sorts of views one keeps to themselves. And one wishes sweettater had left 'that part' out of her post.

None of us are perfect; & we ALL have a history, for goodness sakes: we are/were all single, free-agents in this modern world too. But, we have the right to a PRIVATE life, too.

Other than the above, I don't recall sweettater's posts off-sides; strong perhaps, but not off-sides - those that I've read, anyways. Everyone close to Tara, or who knew her, would naturally come up for a visit by LE, to see what light they may throw .... on the SUBJECT.

Maybe S/Tater knows one of those alleged POIs and is feeling stressful, anxious and concerned? Perhaps love or kinship of that person caused the outburst? This case sees many wounded, hurt, isolated, estranged and upset. How terribly sad ...

People should unite and not by creed, virtue nor colour - but for no other reason than human unity.

[Atok]

So, that post can be summed up in a less inflamatory way by noting that the shots were for skeet, the dog walker was not MH, Tara had more suiters who could be considered for this crime than the ones we've been focused on and LE has been interviewing lots of people.

Then they can say :"posted by a local who is trying to clear the air, sorry there are no media references to back me up, but I factually know these things to be the true and hope they assist."

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by sweettater
Just to point out a FEW of the reasons locals don't even bother to post here - there's so much erroneous info here like the "shots" business. I know the people that own the land where the shots were coming from. It was indeed people shooting skeet. Had nothing whatsoever to do with mh or his family. I also know the cousins of the man that was walking with his dog & gun. It was NOT mh. Somewhere on one of these boards it was stated that Dr. G said that Virgil "denied" that he had told le it was him (Virgil). Well, those that know Virgil know that what Dr. G said (if he indeed said this) is not true. Things like this make locals totally not trust Dr. G (who would blame them?)
About le, I know people in Ocilla who know lots of guys who have dated TG who've been questioned by le. She was pretty, young and single. She had many suitors. Way lots more than those whose names have been in the public spotlight. Maybe, just maybe, ag needs to think about the potential embarrassment for her family if le or the Ocilla locals started naming publicly all the names of all the guys that they've had to interview. JMO.
I did not know TG and I do not know these poi's whose names have been plastered everywhere. But I DO know people who know them as well as lots of other guys they've had to interview.
I'm sure TG was a wonderful person and teacher and friend, but sometimes a person's life style choices come back and bite them. I'm not saying this is the case, just that it's a possibility.
Also, btw, jealousy CAN cause women to not like other beautiful women. But also if someone is perceived or suspected to be having dalliances with married men, it can make other women not quite as fond of them. TG is a wonderful human being I'm sure, but she, like the rest of us, has or had faults also. I guess this is a long way to say, these "public" pois are but a few in a much larger population of potential suspects. I don't mean this in any way to be derogatory toward tg, just statin' a couple of the many many facts that are known by locals but not known in cyberland. And yes, there is an iceberg, but I don't think it has anything to do with le. JMO and that of many others. I'm outta here.

Thats good you said you were out of here because this post makes me sick. Tara is not here to defend herself so why bring up her past of Men she was suppose to be with. How could you be so cold hearted to say this stuff about her in your own round about wording. We are talking about a missing and maybe murdered women who know matter what she has done in her past does not deserve to be killed for it. She is a very pretty lady and took very good care of herself,house,students,and loved her animals. If that makes people jealous then they have a problem with their own self. So she couldnt be friends with a guy without having a sexual relationship is what you are saying right. Thats a joke because I have lots of guy friends that are more sincere then my female friends and I would never think twice about anything other then friendship. Next time think twice before you decide to come on here and accuse Tara of being someone she was not:cuss:

[sweettater]

I believe I made it clear that I meant no disrespect toward tg. She was very much loved in that community. But when the picture portrayed is not inclusive of facts which to many minds would be important to this case, people go down lots of paths that are just pulled out of thin air with no basis on anything whatsoever. I thought this was about brainstorming, not just sanctifying the missing. Maybe I was mistaken.
BTW, my timing has nothing to do with any of the poi's, but ALL to do with the ridiculous treatment of locals on this board. I refuse to engage in a p***ing contest with anyone regarding my motives. I stated my opinions in plain English. I stated that I believe Tara is/was a good person but that we are all human. If this case is going to be solved (and I believe it will) certain things are most likely eventually going to come out. And there may be many sheepish people, and they won't all be the good folks of Ocilla. I have no idea who did what to Tara, nor do I profess to know. I CERTAINLY would never dare to start defending ANY of the poi's. I don't even have a definite idea as to who I think the perp is. I have my opinions, but they're based mainly on things not on this mb.
So, do the non-locals really want info from the locals, or not? I wonder. And I can certainly see why the locals are hesitant to post info. JMO.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by sweettater
I believe I made it clear that I meant no disrespect toward tg. She was very much loved in that community. But when the picture portrayed is not inclusive of facts which to many minds would be important to this case, people go down lots of paths that are just pulled out of thin air with no basis on anything whatsoever. I thought this was about brainstorming, not just sanctifying the missing. Maybe I was mistaken.
BTW, my timing has nothing to do with any of the poi's, but ALL to do with the ridiculous treatment of locals on this board. I refuse to engage in a p***ing contest with anyone regarding my motives. I stated my opinions in plain English. I stated that I believe Tara is/was a good person but that we are all human. If this case is going to be solved (and I believe it will) certain things are most likely eventually going to come out. And there may be many sheepish people, and they won't all be the good folks of Ocilla. I have no idea who did what to Tara, nor do I profess to know. I CERTAINLY would never dare to start defending ANY of the poi's. I don't even have a definite idea as to who I think the perp is. I have my opinions, but they're based mainly on things not on this mb.
So, do the non-locals really want info from the locals, or not? I wonder. And I can certainly see why the locals are hesitant to post info. JMO.

Yes we would like your input but not degrading Tara I see as you have imo. I thought you were out of here guess not

[NancynNC]

Is there no one in Ocilla that thinks MH may be the guilty party?

Seems like all posts know all about him and claim his innocence.

Is it just me?

[fsbiii]

I'll chime in here to say that I did not consider sweettater's posting deplorable or any of the other adjectives used so far. She's posting a cold hard truth - sometimes that's not pretty, and it's high time we all realize that. I think a whole lot more details need to be on this board if you expect open, fair, and honest discussion to solve something. If you want to sugarcoat and ignore some things because it "speaks ill" of Tara or her lifestyle--you're not really trying to solve the case because you're ignoring what could be some very important details. Gacountry makes perfect sense. Tara was Tara, just like I am me and you are you. I have good qualities, I have flaws. If I were missing, I'd want you to be looking at every single one to figure out what happened.

IMO, as you might imagine. :)

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I'll chime in here to say that I did not consider sweettater's posting deplorable or any of the other adjectives used so far. She's posting a cold hard truth - sometimes that's not pretty, and it's high time we all realize that. I think a whole lot more details need to be on this board if you expect open, fair, and honest discussion to solve something. If you want to sugarcoat and ignore some things because it "speaks ill" of Tara or her lifestyle--you're not really trying to solve the case because you're ignoring what could be some very important details. Gacountry makes perfect sense. Tara was Tara, just like I am me and you are you. I have good qualities, I have flaws. If I were missing, I'd want you to be looking at every single one to figure out what happened.

IMO, as you might imagine. :)

I missed the "very important" details.

[jela72]

Sweet/T: Believe me, the 'slanging times' appear (we trust) to be over on this board, thank Heaven. Perhaps we've been brought down a peg or two by threads started by Atok (Sugar) ... and various posts by seeker, gacounty, local, ocillian, concernedperson, babes, nancync ... etc etc etc whatever...

ALL poi's are (doubtless) going to feel upset. If there are 100 people interviewed - THAT HAPPENS IN A CRIMINAL-BELIEVED HOMICIDE case. The more in number, the more we feel LE are doing a good job!

If (if if .... IF....) you know of such a POI - either by relation or mere acquaintance - then YOU will know that person must have got the heebee-jeebeez. Stunned, worried and anxious. Natural.

The DIFFERENCE between a POI and Tara Grinstead is that if that certain POI becomes a suspect ... and later charged - THEN THEY HAVE A DEFENSE system! One that's built in by the govt of the USA legal/legislation system - one made real by your ancestors - and one that is FAIR.

Tara was robbed of her rights; Tara never had the above options and we MUST only allow the perp to be guilty of that robbery - when ever that guilt is determined. We MUST NOT condemn Tara for living her life as she LEGALLY chose fit to live - and one she deserved just like all of us.

This girl was beautiful, granted! Bless her for that! But - to those who believe her beauty was an entrapment to love, do remember one thing: Tara DID NOT send a memo to God before her birth with a list of forseeable attributes! She came into this world with aesthetically beautiful features.

What did she do with those natural gifts ??? Well, as far as the PUBLIC is concerned she won pageants. She ALSO lived a good life. She was a teacher. A friend, a sister, a She was an ardent scholar; she commuted from her jon to her studies to her family, to her church ... and yes ... she saw her boy .... friends (words intentionally separated) - and she fell in love.

She was an ambassador to Miss Sweet Potato (or whatever) and Miss (again, the title eludes me - I live other side of world)... BUT WITH THAT TITLE ... came the love of her home people!

To write that she was not perfect, sweettater, and that she, being beautiful had a whole heap "s" load of men in her life is NOT our recipe to counter her God-given beauty - NOR is it our right to explore. That's God's right.

Suffice to say, right now, Tara's gone. She did not deserve to GO. And you had no right to apprehend her life, arrest her emotions and trap them here to the redemption of POI's!!!

A court has that right. not you, me, or anyone else.

Other than that - please keep posting, for I believe you may be linked to a POI whose family and their loved ones are totaly distraught. The shock of 'murder' is enough to tip anyone's scales.

Be decent and fair enough to give Tara back her youth and her private life. It was her right.

God bless you... and all those hurting here. let's hope most that are here are here for the right reasons...

"Jelly"

Oh ... and this is REALLY decadent: hubby just brought me a mega tub of Haagen Dazs belgian chocolate thick whip.... mmmmmm. Moments are made of this ...




Originally posted by sweettater
I believe I made it clear that I meant no disrespect toward tg. She was very much loved in that community. But when the picture portrayed is not inclusive of facts which to many minds would be important to this case, people go down lots of paths that are just pulled out of thin air with no basis on anything whatsoever. I thought this was about brainstorming, not just sanctifying the missing. Maybe I was mistaken.
BTW, my timing has nothing to do with any of the poi's, but ALL to do with the ridiculous treatment of locals on this board. I refuse to engage in a p***ing contest with anyone regarding my motives. I stated my opinions in plain English. I stated that I believe Tara is/was a good person but that we are all human. If this case is going to be solved (and I believe it will) certain things are most likely eventually going to come out. And there may be many sheepish people, and they won't all be the good folks of Ocilla. I have no idea who did what to Tara, nor do I profess to know. I CERTAINLY would never dare to start defending ANY of the poi's. I don't even have a definite idea as to who I think the perp is. I have my opinions, but they're based mainly on things not on this mb.
So, do the non-locals really want info from the locals, or not? I wonder. And I can certainly see why the locals are hesitant to post info. JMO.

[Atok]

I agree with Nancy, I'd like more important details.

What details can be shared that would help us solve this or provide us a new clue or direction to turn?

If you feel shredded when posting, just ignore that stuff, there are still people here who will seperate the wheat and chaff and will USE good info to move forward the investigation.

[whoknowswhat]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I'll chime in here to say that I did not consider sweettater's posting deplorable or any of the other adjectives used so far. She's posting a cold hard truth - sometimes that's not pretty, and it's high time we all realize that. I think a whole lot more details need to be on this board if you expect open, fair, and honest discussion to solve something. If you want to sugarcoat and ignore some things because it "speaks ill" of Tara or her lifestyle--you're not really trying to solve the case because you're ignoring what could be some very important details. Gacountry makes perfect sense. Tara was Tara, just like I am me and you are you. I have good qualities, I have flaws. If I were missing, I'd want you to be looking at every single one to figure out what happened.

IMO, as you might imagine. :)

However, this is the kind of information that the locals are hesitant to post, because it opens them up to the bashing from others who would rather focus on a few known POI's. This is not to say current POI's, should be eliminated, but that that all possible connections should be explored.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by NancynNC
Is there no one in Ocilla that thinks MH may be the guilty party?

Seems like all posts know all about him and claim his innocence.

Is it just me?

I am a local but not directly related to anyone in this case. I have no idea Who did this I am not defending Anyone. I have my own ideas from things I have seen BUT I am open to anything.
I have been kind to everyone that has came to our area to do anything to help with Tara from Dr. Godwin to the people that swept the floors at the Center. If I hd the room I would house all the searchers but I don't I have offered help with rooms, I have did food and I have searched. I feel I am doing my part and very few people even know I am doing this, thats the way I want it. What I do is between me, God and my belief in Tara.
Folks I don't care what Tara did or did not do she was young and of age, get over it. Young people are different than when I grew up and if they tend to have a lifestyle other than yours don't condenm them.
Tara is not here where she can tell us who her lovers were and to what extend she was having sexual encounters but anyone would know she was. She was beautiful active and needed love. Lets not judge her for having love or something near it, she is human and we have carnal urges.
If fsbiii thinks to get this out would help go for it but I hope you will do it respectfully in light of the fact Tara can't defend herself.

[baffled]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I'll chime in here to say that I did not consider sweettater's posting deplorable or any of the other adjectives used so far. She's posting a cold hard truth - sometimes that's not pretty, and it's high time we all realize that. I think a whole lot more details need to be on this board if you expect open, fair, and honest discussion to solve something. If you want to sugarcoat and ignore some things because it "speaks ill" of Tara or her lifestyle--you're not really trying to solve the case because you're ignoring what could be some very important details. Gacountry makes perfect sense. Tara was Tara, just like I am me and you are you. I have good qualities, I have flaws. If I were missing, I'd want you to be looking at every single one to figure out what happened.

IMO, as you might imagine. :)


_____________________________

I agree also. I did not perceive this post as being derrogatory.... It is the truth... you have to look at the whole picture, one can't pick and choose inorder to prevent a person from being tarnished or "not perfect" we all have flaws.... we can be good people, loving to each other and loving to pets, a person who would not harm something or someone intentionally, but that doesn't make us perfect. And it doesn't mean we always make the best choices.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by gacountry


I am a local but not directly related to anyone in this case. I have no idea Who did this I am not defending Anyone. I have my own ideas from things I have seen BUT I am open to anything.
I have been kind to everyone that has came to our area to do anything to help with Tara from Dr. Godwin to the people that swept the floors at the Center. If I hd the room I would house all the searchers but I don't I have offered help with rooms, I have did food and I have searched. I feel I am doing my part and very few people even know I am doing this, thats the way I want it. What I do is between me, God and my belief in Tara.
Folks I don't care what Tara did or did not do she was young and of age, get over it. Young people are different than when I grew up and if they tend to have a lifestyle other than yours don't condenm them.
Tara is not here where she can tell us who her lovers were and to what extend she was having sexual encounters but anyone would know she was. She was beautiful active and needed love. Lets not judge her for having love or something near it, she is human and we have carnal urges.
If fsbiii thinks to get this out would help go for it but I hope you will do it respectfully in light of the fact Tara can't defend herself.

Thank you for your reply and thanks so much for your help to find Tara. If I lived closer I would be doing the same.

No one here knows what happened to Tara, unless the perp is reading these posts and we do not know it.

But I will never blame a victim. If people have names of other POI that have been interviewed, throw them in here.

IMO to threaten that it would be an embarrassment to AG to have the public hear who had been interviewed is bad. To say Tara's actions may have bitten her in the butt is BAD.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Thank you for your reply and thanks so much for your help to find Tara. If I lived closer I would be doing the same.

No one here knows what happened to Tara, unless the perp is reading these posts and we do not know it.

But I will never blame a victim. If people have names of other POI that have been interviewed, throw them in here.

IMO to threaten that it would be an embarrassment to AG to have the public hear who had been interviewed is bad. To say Tara's actions may have bitten her in the butt is BAD.

I have to say Nancy that is my take on everything too. It reminds me of so many cases where the emphasis gets shifted on the victim as responsible for their own deaths and not the perp for causing it.

I would hope they have spent the time to interview everyone but we know they haven't. Classmates from her school weren't interviewed until the family had them interviewed. And there were several other instances where I believe more info could have been gleaned if the time was taken to do so.

With that being said I also realize that small town's have limited resources but GBI has much larger resources. I personally believe a lot of tips weren't forwarded to GBI so follow up was never initiated.

Enter the family, as of now the emphasis has been on searches and info sent to them directly. This is why we are seeing a lot more action. I sincerely doubt any info received by Anita would be construed as embarrassing but rather appreciated. She wants to find her sister and the only embarrassment would be in the minds of small people. JMO.

[curious mom]

In order to fully understand the investigation, one must know every detail they can get their hands on. The info we get about Tara posted by locals gives us a clearer picture of who she was, even if there are some skeletons that we didn't know about. Don't we all have our own skeletons too? This information is very informative IMO. It gives us more people to question, although we don't know the names at this point.

I don't see this info as the bashing of Tara, but the reality of Tara, afterall, she is young, she is single, and she does have a life outside her career and in the helping of other's that she does. This information might be personal, but just imagine the questions that LE have asked and found out about her, so I'm sure this is nothing in relation to that! This is the 21st century, my goodness, life ain't what it used to be and most people are more liberal in their lives than ever before and I see nothing wrong with that. Shoot, I still don't believe in or agree with pre-marital sex, but when I suspected my daughter did at age 16, I was the first to take her to the doctor for birth control, knowing full well she would do what she would do no matter what I believed.

Come on people, this board is for Tara, and in order to get any correct information, we need input from the locals. We all know how twisted and misinformed the media can and is in cases like these.

Can't everybody just get along and quit bashing one another? If you don't agree with something someone posts, say so and move on, without attacking, agree to disagree or hit the ignore button? Enough bashing on the board already, it isn't pretty and it isn't helping at all!!!

Of course, this is IMHO!

Originally posted by baffled



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I agree also. I did not perceive this post as being derrogatory.... It is the truth... you have to look at the whole picture, one can't pick and choose inorder to prevent a person from being tarnished or "not perfect" we all have flaws.... we can be good people, loving to each other and loving to pets, a person who would not harm something or someone intentionally, but that doesn't make us perfect. And it doesn't mean we always make the best choices.

[sweettater]

I feel I should clarify, ONCE AGAIN, I meant no disrespect for Tara. I did NOT say that anyone's choices/actions SHOULD cause them to lose his/her life, but that a person's choices many times DO cause bad things to happen to him/her. Big difference there between "should" and "do". I would never imply that someone's lifestyle SHOULD cause him/her to lose his/her life, or make his/her life any less important, for that matter.
Also, NancynNC, I most certainly did not "threaten" AG in any way whatsoever. I just made a simple observation. I'm a pretty blunt person, like it or not, and I call it like I see it. My comment was just that, a comment, an opinion, certainly no "threat".
About MH, most people I know from Ocilla just can't find a motive for him. But I think the main thing in his corner is the fact that things have been told (or sometimes implied) about him that they know to be false. I'm not going into a lot of specifics, but one example would be the big deal made out of the "shots" and Virgil Purvis walking with his dog and gun, and how that all got blown up into such a big deal, and was based on incorrect information. Makes them wonder why some people are so hell-bent on trying to MAKE MH look guilty, thus making MH look less suspicious to them. I don't know him or anything about him. That's just my opinion as to why lots of locals don't see him as a potential suspect. Plus, there are others that they see as possibly having much more motive and opportunity. Any opinions I have about that are based on info from locals and would be secondhand info, so it is not my place to post any of that on a message board. JMO.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by sweettater
I feel I should clarify, ONCE AGAIN, I meant no disrespect for Tara. I did NOT say that anyone's choices/actions SHOULD cause them to lose his/her life, but that a person's choices many times DO cause bad things to happen to him/her. Big difference there between "should" and "do". I would never imply that someone's lifestyle SHOULD cause him/her to lose his/her life, or make his/her life any less important, for that matter.
Also, NancynNC, I most certainly did not "threaten" AG in any way whatsoever. I just made a simple observation. I'm a pretty blunt person, like it or not, and I call it like I see it. My comment was just that, a comment, an opinion, certainly no "threat".
About MH, most people I know from Ocilla just can't find a motive for him. But I think the main thing in his corner is the fact that things have been told (or sometimes implied) about him that they know to be false. I'm not going into a lot of specifics, but one example would be the big deal made out of the "shots" and Virgil Purvis walking with his dog and gun, and how that all got blown up into such a big deal, and was based on incorrect information. Makes them wonder why some people are so hell-bent on trying to MAKE MH look guilty, thus making MH look less suspicious to them. I don't know him or anything about him. That's just my opinion as to why lots of locals don't see him as a potential suspect. Plus, there are others that they see as possibly having much more motive and opportunity. Any opinions I have about that are based on info from locals and would be secondhand info, so it is not my place to post any of that on a message board. JMO.
I have to say I do apologize for being so quick to judge what you were saying. I am sorry. I guess we all need to be caring and nice and listen to people in their point of view and yes that means me too. Again sorry:(

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Sassy
Sorry, I can't provide a link for this but it sure makes for good reading.....IMO

How To Plant Your Garden
Come to the garden alone, while the dew is still on the roses....

FOR THE GARDEN OF YOUR DAILY LIVING, PLANT THREE ROWS OF PEAS:

1. Peace of mind
2. Peace of heart
3. Peace of soul

PLANT FOUR ROWS OF SQUASH:

1. Squash gossip
2. Squash indifference
3. Squash grumbling
4. Squash selfishness

PLANT FOUR ROWS OF LETTUCE:

1. Lettuce be faithful
2. Lettuce be kind
3. Lettuce be patient
4. Lettuce really love one another

NO GARDEN IS WITHOUT TURNIPS:

1. Turnip for meetings
2. Turnip for service
3. Turnip to help one another

TO CONCLUDE OUR GARDEN WE MUST HAVE THYME:

1. Thyme for each other
2. Thyme for family
3. Thyme for friends

WATER FREELY WITH PATIENCE AND CULTIVATE WITH LOVE. THERE IS MUCH FRUIT IN YOUR GARDEN BECAUSE YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

Thank You Sassy I think we all needed that:seeya:

[singlesix]

"In this country, firing a gun PERIOD is use of deadly weapon to threaten or harm and I don't know any state where that is legal and no law enforcement worth his salt should ignore/overlook such a blatant disrespect."

I waded this far into this thread and stopped. I don't know of any place in this country where "firing a gun PERIOD is use of deadly weapon"

People everyday fire their guns on their property at game, paper targets, tin cans, clays and other odds and ends like old tv sets.

Not IMO, fact. You can look it up.

Think I'll go to the range and shoot some skeets. ;)

singlesix

[mooloo]

Amen and amen.

I wish I had a dime for every time I have done target practice on the shooting range. I'd be living in the Islands now.

Shooting on private property, as long as it is in certain places--not in the city limits, for instance--is perfectly legal, I think. But then again, I'm basing that on the fact that almost everyone I know stands in their backyards doing target practice.




Originally posted by singlesix
"In this country, firing a gun PERIOD is use of deadly weapon to threaten or harm and I don't know any state where that is legal and no law enforcement worth his salt should ignore/overlook such a blatant disrespect."

I waded this far into this thread and stopped. I don't know of any place in this country where "firing a gun PERIOD is use of deadly weapon"

People everyday fire their guns on their property at game, paper targets, tin cans, clays and other odds and ends like old tv sets.

Not IMO, fact. You can look it up.

Think I'll go to the range and shoot some skeets. ;)

singlesix

[sweettater]

I get my info from friends in Ocilla, and from message boards. That is what I have to base any opinions on. I pesonally have yet to hear from any of the locals who know TG or MH that they see a motive. I have heard of theories that may suggest a motive. That's not to say there is or isn't one. I NEVER said there is no motive. I said I've heard no DEFINITE evidence to suggest one to me. ( I think you have me incorrectly pegged as one of the big MH supporters, when I have stated that I don't know him, but that's not a problem for me.) I have no problem with you and your opinions. Being that I am removed from this situation, it doesn't bother me whether you think I am being truthful or not. And I don't mean that to be rude. Like I said, I refuse to engage in p***ing contests on message boards where no one wins. :)

[Rickio]

Originally posted by gacountry
I declared I would not post on this "debil" forum ever again~~but enough is enough! We "locals" are citizens of Ocilla and Irwin County we choose to live here, we have an excellent community and wonderful people and yes EVEN wonderful Law Emforcement.
Tara Grinstead a beautiful young teacher decided of her own free will to make her home and life in our community. We welcomed her with open arms and grew to love and respect her. WE did not judge her as I have seen so many here do. We excepted the fact that she was a grown lady and of course she would have gentleman callers. Now with this said Irwin County had Nothing to do with her choice in men, neither did her family. Tara choose on her own who to love, date and/or have relations with. This was none of Irwin County citizens business.
She choose on her Own where to live, who to love , who to be friends with, what to wear, and we still loved her.
Now we come to the sad part, something happened to Tara while she lived in Irwin County, The "locals" or citizens of Irwin County and Ocilla did not do this! Someone with malice in their heart did a horrible thing, who that someone is has not been proved and you who are so quick to judge our community for it are so blind. Our community is "exhausted" we have lived this and you all have just visited and condemed us, Why? Our Local Law Enforcement have faults, true, but so does yours. Our LE and "locals" have searched every phy-chick idea and every tip given, countless man and woman hours. We have fed the searchers that came from all over the country and we have welcomed them with open arms. And then we come to these boards and you arm chair detectives condem us for our efforts and make up stories to suit your idea of this crime without any concern for Tara her family or us dreaded "locals". Is this all you have to do with your time?
Then you have the gall to sit back in your arm chair and ask "locals" for information. When we give YOU Facts you flip us off as unknowing and build your own "facts" to suit your story line. You all make me sick, have you ever thought if something BAD happened in your community you would be a "local" and if you got out and searched and helped you would be a stupid ignorant "local" and if your LE did not solve the case in 2 hours and post all their evidence on this site they to would be stupid and ignorant!
Folks we love Tara we want closure not your sarcasm. I read your post for the first time today, I felt your concern and pain, I don't think you should let it get to you, I've had people not take me serious here as well, take care...:rose: :seeya:

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by sweettater
I feel I should clarify, ONCE AGAIN, I meant no disrespect for Tara. I did NOT say that anyone's choices/actions SHOULD cause them to lose his/her life, but that a person's choices many times DO cause bad things to happen to him/her. Big difference there between "should" and "do". I would never imply that someone's lifestyle SHOULD cause him/her to lose his/her life, or make his/her life any less important, for that matter.
Also, NancynNC, I most certainly did not "threaten" AG in any way whatsoever. I just made a simple observation. I'm a pretty blunt person, like it or not, and I call it like I see it. My comment was just that, a comment, an opinion, certainly no "threat".
About MH, most people I know from Ocilla just can't find a motive for him. But I think the main thing in his corner is the fact that things have been told (or sometimes implied) about him that they know to be false. I'm not going into a lot of specifics, but one example would be the big deal made out of the "shots" and Virgil Purvis walking with his dog and gun, and how that all got blown up into such a big deal, and was based on incorrect information. Makes them wonder why some people are so hell-bent on trying to MAKE MH look guilty, thus making MH look less suspicious to them. I don't know him or anything about him. That's just my opinion as to why lots of locals don't see him as a potential suspect. Plus, there are others that they see as possibly having much more motive and opportunity. Any opinions I have about that are based on info from locals and would be secondhand info, so it is not my place to post any of that on a message board. JMO.

I got to say I got upset with your original post. You and I go back to the beginning of this case. I had to go outside and walk around. Sometimes we just get caught up in all of this. I have always took up for women, cause I have been there and done that. We make bad choices, bad relationships, bad lovers. We may be guilty of this. But no one expects to be harmed or murdered. Just trying to find some happiness. I see that in Tara.

You and I differ about MH. I see him as the one with the most motive. Personal relationship, break-up, coming back home 3 weeks before, not taking a GBI LDT and the way he has acted since this happened. It has nothing to do with the gun shooting incident. I hear gunshots many times where I live in the country.

I really pray that it is not him. I appreciate his joining the army and serving our country. He is a hero. I hope they find a John Doe did this bad thing, but I do not see it happening. JMHO

[sweettater]

Nancy, I am a very blunt person. I thought I made it a point to state in my very first post regarding this that I thought Tara is/was a good person and that I did not mean disrespect toward her. We have all made bad choices which have affected us negatively, and Tara could have done so also - possibly resulting in the worst possible outcome. That is what I meant, in my blunt way. I just feel like when everyone totally ignores the possibility of the other suitors being potential poi's, Tara is not being done justice. When a female is juggling close male friends (whether they are intimate or not) jealousy can cause many problems.
As far as the MH thing, you make very good points. (As have others.) I am just the devil's advocate (I even do it to myself all the time), and I am always looking at the "other" angle. I think I was born this way and cannot seem to help it. I do not have a definite opinion as to what I think happened to Tara. I am of the opinion that there are many scenarios that could have taken place. And so much of the problem with trying to form an opinion is that it's hard to tell fact from gossip. JMO

[TN_Profiler]

After reading through the messages on this thread I feel like I just spent the last half hour on Oprah. Understandably there is a lot of emotion and as time continues to move forward it only seems to reach higher levels.

That said, I would like to ask just a simple question.

Are you convinced the person(s) who's responsible for Tara's disappearance is local to the Oscilla area?

It seems as if that is generally accepted but I did want to know if the people who live in that general area feel the same way.

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
After reading through the messages on this thread I feel like I just spent the last half hour on Oprah. Understandably there is a lot of emotion and as time continues to move forward it only seems to reach higher levels.

That said, I would like to ask just a simple question.

Are you convinced the person(s) who's responsible for Tara's disappearance is local to the Oscilla area?

It seems as if that is generally accepted but I did want to know if the people who live in that general area feel the same way. JMOO - I'm not local to Ocilla, but it seems that the only generally accepted notion is that TG is missing, the apparent victim of foul play. The discussion has been lively - 25 active threads the last 2 days, 46 the last 5 days ... not including the "stickies".

BTW, what happened to the STICKY threads? They have vanished. I hope that is not a permanent situation!

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by CashCrop

that depends on whose relatives are whose and who is a cop and who isn't. And to prevent you from being tied up and dragged by a pickup truck 4 miles i'll go ahead and point out you spelled the town wrong. fyi it's Ocilla. And shhhhh.....I think MH is guilty 110%.

Wow, the punishment for misspellings is harsh. Luckily where I'm from (NYC) they jsut shoot you in the leg for it.

Anywho, I have been lured into spelling it incorrectly from reading other posts, which leads me back to my original question. Since the Groene case, I would have thought such a rural area automatically meant someone knowledgeable of the area must be involved. It appears to me that you don't just wander into Ocilla by accident, and that those who travel to it must have some distinct reason to be there. I think the possibility exists that someone from the outside is involved but that it is a very low probability. I suspect the culprit has lived within the Ocilla area and since she has not been found yet, that person knows a thing or two about the surrounding area.

I understand your point, the emotional impact this has on the community is significant. I do hope there is resolution. Of course I will be doing so at a distance in order to keep myself from being dragged down a country road behind some pick-up truck.

[crypto6]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


singlesix,

...I agree with you that if you use a gun on a range or on private property to target practice ANY AREA THAT IS ZONED APPROPRIATE FOR SUCH ACTIVITY- the intent is not to use the gun to threaten or harm a person. BUT that does not mean anytime you hold and fire a gun (in the air or at a target) you are NOT using something classified as a deadly weapon. You are indeed. And the use of the weapon will cause harm......




What I did find over and over was just having a gun in your hands and not actually firing it is still viewed by most states as using a deadly weapon to threaten harm and to fire it is USING a deadly weapon. ....



ALL IMO. OF COURSE

A little overkill on the issue of harm, eh. When someone in a rural county walks down the road carrying a muzzle-up shotgun or rifle, he/she has a deadly weapon in his/her hands but no intent of harm. When I plink targets, no harm is done, unless one considers ventilating some paper silhouettes as harm. Any one with gun experience and/or a CCW should know their responsibility when using firearms, and this responsibility doesn’t entail never handling or carrying the weapon because to do so is to intend some “harm”.

[singlesix]

"In my opinion, it seemed that a few people had other priorities that day."

No doubt. Some people probably went work, visited someone in a hospital or nursing home, went out to dinner, did a couple of loads at the laundromat, changed the oil in their car, or blew off a little steam (or practiced for next week's tournament) by shooting some of them skeets.
(Yes, I know the difference between sporting clays, trap and skeet, although I'd be hard pressed to provide a rulebook definition of report pairs, nested pairs and some of the other target presentations.)

singlesix

[IBC]

In backwoods Georgia around Ocilla there are miles of property that isn't much frequented. Ocilla, itself, is really small. An Internet Cafe in Ocilla or within 90 miles is laughable. Walking down the road carrying a gun is not something to be questioned nor is target practice. There is a feeling of protecting your own and a resentment of outsiders running things, i.e the sheriff protecting the Harper property. Finding Tara or any missing person isn't like finding a body in NYC. It's also financially costly. IMO if the media hadn't gotten involved, the investigation into Tara's disappearance, like a few others, would have faded. The atmosphere isn't as pro-active as many outsiders experience.

Many Ociallans are related, are "talking" neighbors, or definitely know each other by name. It should not be a surprise that someone related to someone else might be on the school board or on the city council, etc. This does not mean a massive conspiracy; it means there aren't that many people. Finally, if you live in Ocilla, you know on which side of the fence everyone stands on what happened to Tara.

IMO Ocillans are now more reluctant than ever to talk about Tara because of the media, the private investigations, the searches, the accusations of a cover-up, the possible drug connections, and the "you know who you are" accusations. If you're living in Ocilla, you want Tara to be found, but you don't wish to jeopardize yourself within the community. Everythingl that's going on in trying to find Tara is understandable to outsiders, but many Ocillans consider this an invasion of their way of life. Tara's disappearance has become more than an investigation. It's become the Red Necks vs. the City Slickers.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Crypto -


Well - from where I am sitting, the events on that one particular private search fly in the face of either the LE or the everyone in Ocilla being sensitive to Tara's disappearance and being helpful.

In my opinion, it seemed that a few people had other priorities that day. And the most baffling one was the conduct of the Sheriff. All just my opinion though. I just 't understand it. And I was no there.

The main thing in the mixup on the first Private Search is that it was a Private Search. This search was organized and make possible by Tara's family, with the permission of Land Owners but not with the knowledge or blessings of LE.
Now to me that is not a bad thing but It did lead to misunderstandings and even more tension between LE and Tara searchers.
I was on that search and not one time did I or anyone in my group feel threatened. We were couteous to all people we met and told them what we were doing. We were given very large pins that identified us as searchers.
We had to go by MH's house, and we did look it is a beautiful home, to get to the wooded area we were to search. I did not observe that much traffic by his house on that Sat. We did see him and his mother speed by several times.
The area that the 5 shots we heard fired were in another area we searched that was very near MH's house but we did not think a thing about it after the first shot. We knew it was Sat afternoon and people in the country shoot skeet and targets and we knew this was what it was.
We did not see the man walking or the dogs and gun he was walking with, so I cannot say who he was or even if he was.
We are still having small private searchers but now we do have the approval of LE and I feel this will make it much safer for both us the searchers and the POI. Because people that is all they are at this time is People of Interest, unless you know something I don't know no one has been arrested or as a matter of fact we do not even have a reason to arrest anyone yet.
Plese continue to pray for Tara and her family, Pray for the searchers and the families of the searchers that wonder why we are gone all the time, pray even for those you suspect and their families, Pray for us and pray for one another, this is the most heart breaking thing I have ever lived through day after day and now month after month.
Pray because but my The Grace of God this could be your daughter, sister, Aunt, best friend, and teacher. Tara is a beautiful Child of God and she deserves our best, she gave our children her best. Show respect for her, we would love for you to show respect for our county and Ocilla but we can handle your distaste for us, JUST please respect and Pray for Tara.

[kebo]

Amen Gacountry, Amen


:rose: :rose: :rose:

Praying for Tara & her family

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by IBC
In backwoods Georgia around Ocilla there are miles of property that isn't much frequented. Ocilla, itself, is really small.

IBC - I really thought your post summed it all up. The issue at hand (Tara's disappearance) and the aftermath (the impact on the small community). I think you demonstrated the effects this case has and why it has become a lightning rod for those who live in that community.

I would like to ask you a question about your 1st comment. Given the geography of Ocilla, how likely is it that searchers could cover the area? Let me ask that another way, if you were knowledgeable of the Ocilla area .... could you hide a body that nobody would find? And if so, how hard would it be to do so without being seen?

[Esah]

Gacountry,

Your post today was very clear and very well said. Every single post on here should have your last paragraph. Just as a simple reminder of who we are doing this for.

[gacountry]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
[B]GaCountry - WHAT A WONDERFUL POST! Thank you so much.


A few posts above TN_Profiler asked IBC a few questions, I would like to you to take a peek at those questions. I would like to hear your thoughts/opinions.

It is true that we have a large county with lots of wooded areas that are not easy to get to. We have right at 500 acres of our own and very little of this was searched in the original first search. We were shocked when the search was announced complete, but we are not privy to what guide lines LE and GBI used to determine when and why the search should end. We did do several complete searches of our land ourselves. There at first we rushed to every buzzard we saw.
I know of several land owners that called LE and asked for their land to be searched. And I know of a few that did not like their land being searched without them knowing. Not that they were worried about what might be found, but these searches were done in Deer Seson and the land owners were afraid the searchers would be shot by accident.
I know some will take this as another reason to blame us but we are a rural community and deer hunting is a big sport and the source of some families meat supply. It is a legal sport that just happened to be in full swing during the main searches.
As to the sheriffs election I hate to admit it but darn if I can remember when Donnie ran for reelection. I do know I voted for him. I know Donnie and Billy and I feel they are good men caught up in a bad thing. We are just not equiped for this big of a thing, we do not have the equipment that bigger cities have, but remember GBI was called in that first day she was offically missing. From then on LE worked with GBI. What more could they have done?
They knew they were not equiped to handle this case and they knew Tara was involved with LE officers, they handled that with diginity.
Again I will say I am not directly related to any LE or POI in this case. I live in Irwin County and I am proud to say that, I do know that Tara's family, friends and students are hearbroken, I do know that I will help with this search from now until I can't physically do it any longer, but I pray that Tara will be back in the protection of her family very soon.
And while I am on my soap box one other point comes to mind. A lot has been said about Anita. When you meet her you see her pain and flustration, she is one of the most genuine appreciative people I have met. If she and Tara were not that close it was due to age difference and life styles, but that is not for us to judge. She does not come off as well when the camera hits her but I am sure we would be a little different too if we had been through all she has been through. Anita is a little pit bull dog when it comes to Tara, she will hang on till Tara is found.

[zorro]

Ga Country wrote:
And while I am on my soap box one other point comes to mind. A lot has been said about Anita. When you meet her you see her pain and flustration, she is one of the most genuine appreciative people I have met. If she and Tara were not that close it was due to age difference and life styles, but that is not for us to judge. She does not come off as well when the camera hits her but I am sure we would be a little different too if we had been through all she has been through. Anita is a little pit bull dog when it comes to Tara, she will hang on till Tara is found.


IMO, I have found the same to be true of Anita. The times I have been around her she has amazed me with her courage and stength. I cannot even imagine what she is going through, but she has - in spite of everything - kept her wits about her. She and Dr. Gattis are the driving force behind every weekend search - and I have found these searches to be incredibly well-planned and organized.
Thank goodness Dr. Godwin and Carla Baron have taken an interest in Tara - regardless of anyone's opinions of them - good or bad - they are keeping Tara in the news. Although Dr. Godwin and Carla are working from opposite ends of the universe (lol) - they are bringing much needed attention to this case.

[mooloo]

And wasn't this the search that was done by the family and a group of people organized by AG? And LE wasn't notified, therefore they were caught off-guard?

There is tension everywhere right now, everyone is worried/looking for Tara. Many people around here carry guns as a routine thing. Hopefully cool heads will prevail and LE will be given a "heads up" on any future searches so that they will be aware of them, at least, even if they do not participate (not invited.)

Prayers for Tara, always.

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Crypto -

Over and over I read posts from some locals who genuinely may see things a particular way. They recount over and over (without specific details) about how COOPERATIVE and THOROUGH LE has been and how the citizens of Ocilla (always global and inclusive)have been completely helpful and sensitive to Tara's disappearnce.

Well - from where I am sitting, the events on that one particular private search fly in the face of either the LE or the everyone in Ocilla being sensitive to Tara's disappearance and being helpful.

In my opinion, it seemed that a few people had other priorities that day. And the most baffling one was the conduct of the Sheriff. All just my opinion though. I just 't understand it. And I was no there.

[BlkBeauty57]

I so agree with you, fsbii.

I believe that the truth should be told and investigated no matter who doesn't want to hear it or believe it in a missing persons case.

I may be wrong but to me it seems as if some people who don't even know Tara are trying to tell some of the "locals" that they are lying about certain information that has been shared about Tara since she has been missing(not saying the information is true or not). If they don't know Tara, and didn't even know the name Tara Grinstead befor she went missing-how do they know this information is false.

If this information is in fact the truth, it should be reported; no matter who doesn't want to hear it or believe it. This is not a board meant to crown Tara a "saint" but to try to sort through true information to what may have happened to her. If there are other men who were closely involved in her life-besides HD, MH, AV, RR-then they too should be considered. Pretending and excluding that fact surely would hamper the process of finding out what may have befallen her.

I can rest in the assurance that if there were "many" men involved with Tara- LE. knows this and has put no limits on what and who they can consider.

To me if this information is true-it should be discussed and investigated.

The judgements seem to be coming from the people who don't want to hear the information.IMO

[TN_Profiler]

Thanks for the replies regarding the geographic challenges Ocilla presents. Having lived in South Florida for 7 years I know how easy it would be for someone to go missing and never be seen again. It happens there time and time again. (unfortunately) That is largely due to the physical make-up of the area - marshes, the Everglades, ocean, canals, etc...

Ocilla was shown on NG and she pointed out the endless amount of wells and rural land that goes on and on ....

That was the basis for my question. Although searches have been conducted, it appears to me that finding a place to hide a body is not terribly difficult. Sadly it also appears that finding one can be terribly difficult. I have never been to that part of Georgia and probably never will so I thought hearing it from those who know is valuable.

Given that hunting is a popular activity in that area ....it makes me think the person responsible is highly knowledgeable of the area. With plenty of hunters walking in desolate wooded areas in Ocilla, if she was killed, the person knew where 'not to put her'. (IMO)

[singlesix]

I know that searches must be done, but I also understand that they often don't turn up anything. For example, if you look at the Taylor Behl case, she went missing from VCU in downtown Richmond and the body was discovered a month later in a rural county 70+ miles away. It appears the only reason they searched that farm was a picture found on a computer.

Speaking of deer hunting, it's not only a pastime for landowners, but a big income producer as well. A friend has a 4800-acre farm and she leases out the deer rights for $6000 a year.

singlesix

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Excellent point TN. Maybe I need to rethink about searching the hunting cabin areas?

Not discounting your point. As usual - right on point - and may narrow the profile to someone with knowledge of the local area.

IMO.

If I (complete outsider with no real knowledge of Ocilla) was going to need to hide a body in Ocilla, it would seem as if a desolate wooded area would be sufficient. In reality, it is not. I have no knowledge of whether hunters or landowners walk which woods. Certainly some areas are frequented more than others. Because that is true, how would I know where to hide someone I did not want found?

This is what leads me back to someone who knows the area. Not only has someone effectively kept Tara from being found, they have done so without being detected. That doesn't appear to be random to me at all.

I wouldn't discount searches of hunting cabins, but I would look for those areas that are less traveled, either by hunters or landowners. If I was coordinating a search, I would try to determine which places have the lowest amount of foot traffic. (if that is even possible) :shrug:

[Atok]

This reminds me to ask was MH going on a ride around with JH to do some Tara searching on DNR land or what was the purpose of that trip?

[TN_Profiler]

Mathew 7-1 : Yup, there are plenty of places to put someone and the more time that was available, the better chance to put them in a place no one would find.

I think anyone with lots of land could easily bury someone in a non-logical space and that would be it. Never again to be seen. If you start to think of the endless acres of farmland and/or unihabited property .... then you are beginning to realize the challenge of finding Tara.

If she was victimized by an unknown assailant, she would have been left right where she was. Victims of robbery and/or carjackings are usually not moved to places unknown.

The victims of sexual assault who are subsequently murdered are the ones who are most prone to be hidden. The relationship between victim and assailant are easily connected and therefore the extensive effort to cover up the crime. My gut instinct tells me this applies here. All IMO.

One aspect of this case does not sit well with me. The focus on the people she went to grad school with didn't seem to generate the same interest as though who she knew socially. I am not ready to give everyone on the two campuses a free pass just yet. Just because she never mentioned it to her friends does not mean someone at her grad school locations did not have an unhealthy fixation on her. Maybe not a fellow student but someone in/on/ or around the school.

Women know when a guy likes them in a "creepy" way. They stare a little too long or always seem to turn up in places the girl goes. This is the guy who tries to hold conversations with a girl although she is given off the "I'm not interested at all" signals for the 5th time in a row.

Did this person exist in her travels to the classes? I don't know but given her significant beauty ..... it wouldn't be a stretch to consider. Just a thought.

[oldyeller]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler

One aspect of this case does not sit well with me. The focus on the people she went to grad school with didn't seem to generate the same interest as though who she knew socially. I am not ready to give everyone on the two campuses a free pass just yet. Just because she never mentioned it to her friends does not mean someone at her grad school locations did not have an unhealthy fixation on her. Maybe not a fellow student but someone in/on/ or around the school.


that is still on my theory list too

[justthinking]

Did this person exist in her travels to the classes? I don't know but given her significant beauty ..... it wouldn't be a stretch to consider. Just a thought.

Now, who could this possibly be that would fit the above description, get her address, and have access to the type of glove? And, perhaps have the aggressive mentality as described of other uniformed men in her life?

[justthinking]

.....And have knowledge of every back road in several counties????

[oldyeller]

Originally posted by justthinking


Now, who could this possibly be that would fit the above description, get her address, and have access to the type of glove? And, perhaps have the aggressive mentality as described of other uniformed men in her life?
maybe a security guard?

[Saunterer]

MOO - jt: another AG hater? [audible groan]