Carla Baron's Visit to Ocilla

[fsbiii]

Let's keep our thoughts and inquiries about Ms. Baron's visit to Ocilla this week in this thread. I hope her visit and help is not overshadowed by the lingering issues of Dr. Godwin's visit. Everyone needs to focus directly on the job in front of them.

Here's a link to the forum where a Tara thread is active. They may post updates there. If anyone in Ocilla can post any sightings or information obtained this week, that would be great. A local newspaper reporter is going along with Ms. Baron on her outings, too. Should be an interesting article in the local paper once it's ready.

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by popcorn
I bet the Irwin County Sheriff is not as worried about Baron being in Ocilla as he was Dr. Godwin.
You're probably right about that ... unless Departure Films decides to truck the crew down Green Road! JMO

[ldg]

Originally posted by Saunterer
You're probably right about that ... unless Departure Films decides to truck the crew down Green Road! JMO where ever tara is i hope carla finds her and this nightmare ends and the sorry no good for nothing who done this to her is brought to justice and put off the street. if he killed one he'll kill another. what goes around comes around and who ever did this throw the book at them and if LE is involved move them out to. we definitely need some LE in our area. lots of crime but no justice. we need some LE. cause we sure don't have it now.:(

[benhill29]

Originally posted by ldg
where ever tara is i hope carla finds her and this nightmare ends and the sorry no good for nothing who done this to her is brought to justice and put off the street. if he killed one he'll kill another. what goes around comes around and who ever did this throw the book at them and if LE is involved move them out to. we definitely need some LE in our area. lots of crime but no justice. we need some LE. cause we sure don't have it now.:(
I could not agree with you more. I have been saying that for days about our LE. I am glad to hear someone else chime in about it too. I don't know any of the parties involved or discussed on these boards but I do know our LE and they are pitiful.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Sassy
CNN.News

-- It’s been five months to the day since Tara Faye Grinstead disappeared; an agonizing five months with little evidence and fewer clues. Now, with the help of psychic profiler Carla Baron, Tara’s family may be getting some much needed answers, but not the answers they’re looking for. Baron says there’s no doubt in her mind that Grinstead is dead and says it was someone close to her that committed the crime. Baron says Grinstead left her house willingly with her killer and he committed the act just hours later, that very night. Baron says her killer had help, and is confident both will be prosecuted when Grinstead’s body is recovered. The family, meanwhile, will continue search efforts in nearby woods again this weekend.

I could have went to Ocilla and said this.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by zip4spd
This maybe considered inappropriate but behill29 I have a question : Q: How many LE does it take to solve a missing person case in South GA? Answer: No one knows. Its never been done. On the lighter side.

A good one zip.
But I hate to criticize GA, it happens here too.

[benhill29]

Originally posted by zip4spd
This maybe considered inappropriate but behill29 I have a question : Q: How many LE does it take to solve a missing person case in South GA? Answer: No one knows. Its never been done. On the lighter side.

LOL and crying too...because isn't it sad that we are living amongst such corruption, and pure bull****. It is just awful but God knows I needed some humor today too...that is a good one...LOL again.

[Babes]

Originally posted by NancynNC


I could have went to Ocilla and said this.

LOL since some posters here think that you are NR ( MH's mother ) :beer:

[RCOOKE]

Originally posted by Sassy
CNN.News

-- It’s been five months to the day since Tara Faye Grinstead disappeared; an agonizing five months with little evidence and fewer clues. Now, with the help of psychic profiler Carla Baron, Tara’s family may be getting some much needed answers, but not the answers they’re looking for. Baron says there’s no doubt in her mind that Grinstead is dead and says it was someone close to her that committed the crime. Baron says Grinstead left her house willingly with her killer and he committed the act just hours later, that very night. Baron says her killer had help, and is confident both will be prosecuted when Grinstead’s body is recovered. The family, meanwhile, will continue search efforts in nearby woods again this weekend.

Notice how vague this information is? Most of it is taken from statistics. Where is this amazing help to the case that Baron was going to provide?

The one good thing she did provide is to have Tara's name on CNN again. It's always good to keep the missing person in the news.

[Esah]

To Rcooke, I am saying this with respect. I know you don't have any time for psychics and such. I've determined that from your other posts. Perhaps they have been of no help to you in your situation.

With that said though, I feel compelled right now to let you know where "my" heart is. If I can use my gift to bring just one child home, it would make my entire life make sense. Please don't close the door on those of us who are doing things for all the right reasons. There are charlatains out there of course, but they don't all have the title "psychic" either.

God uses us in many ways, and I couldn't do what I do without God.

Maybe Carla will not be right, and maybe she will take up a lot of time in Ocilla, with no results. ( no more than all the cops and investigators have so far.) But, what if one detail comes through her that makes all the difference? I wouldn't give that one detail up for the sake of what she does for a living.

I hope that I haven't offened you in any way. That is certainly not my intention. My intention is only to shed some light on your limited view of psychics. I hope that you get the answers you need. You deserve them. Your heart is in the right place too!

Sincerely
Esah

[ldg]

Originally posted by Sassy
CNN.News

-- It’s been five months to the day since Tara Faye Grinstead disappeared; an agonizing five months with little evidence and fewer clues. Now, with the help of psychic profiler Carla Baron, Tara’s family may be getting some much needed answers, but not the answers they’re looking for. Baron says there’s no doubt in her mind that Grinstead is dead and says it was someone close to her that committed the crime. Baron says Grinstead left her house willingly with her killer and he committed the act just hours later, that very night. Baron says her killer had help, and is confident both will be prosecuted when Grinstead’s body is recovered. The family, meanwhile, will continue search efforts in nearby woods again this weekend.

my question is if she left willingly with whomever her killer may be why did Dr. Godwin say there was a struggle in her bedroom. Either she left willingly or their was a struggle. so which is it. is Dr. Godwin telling the truth about the struggle or is someone mixed up about her leaving willingly. Please help me understand cause it cannot be both.

[ldg]

Originally posted by Esah
To Rcooke, I am saying this with respect. I know you don't have any time for psychics and such. I've determined that from your other posts. Perhaps they have been of no help to you in your situation.

With that said though, I feel compelled right now to let you know where "my" heart is. If I can use my gift to bring just one child home, it would make my entire life make sense. Please don't close the door on those of us who are doing things for all the right reasons. There are charlatains out there of course, but they don't all have the title "psychic" either.

God uses us in many ways, and I couldn't do what I do without God.

Maybe Carla will not be right, and maybe she will take up a lot of time in Ocilla, with no results. ( no more than all the cops and investigators have so far.) But, what if one detail comes through her that makes all the difference? I wouldn't give that one detail up for the sake of what she does for a living.

I hope that I haven't offened you in any way. That is certainly not my intention. My intention is only to shed some light on your limited view of psychics. I hope that you get the answers you need. You deserve them. Your heart is in the right place too!

Sincerely
Esah


If Carla is right then Dr. Godwin is wrong. He says there was a struggle in Tara's bedroom and showed evidence of it. Now here comes this physic or whatever you want to call her and she says Tara left willingly with her killer. Wow how does all that make sense. Either she left willingly or their was a struggle but maybe i got the two confused. But excuse me i thought willingly and struggle has two different meanings. So if i'm not confused someone is. Enlighten me please. I just hope whoever did this to this beautiful woman gets whats coming to them. Capitol punishment sounds pretty good. If you take a life then you should take the consequences of taking that life. My heart is broke cause i can't figure what Tara could have done for this to happen to her. She deserved to live just like anybody else. No one has a right to take someone else's life. But i sure wish Carla and Dr. Godwin would get their info together so we can see an end to this nightmare and get the murderer off the street.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by ldg



If Carla is right then Dr. Godwin is wrong. He says there was a struggle in Tara's bedroom and showed evidence of it. Now here comes this physic or whatever you want to call her and she says Tara left willingly with her killer. Wow how does all that make sense. Either she left willingly or their was a struggle but maybe i got the two confused. But excuse me i thought willingly and struggle has two different meanings. So if i'm not confused someone is. Enlighten me please. I just hope whoever did this to this beautiful woman gets whats coming to them. Capitol punishment sounds pretty good. If you take a life then you should take the consequences of taking that life. My heart is broke cause i can't figure what Tara could have done for this to happen to her. She deserved to live just like anybody else. No one has a right to take someone else's life. But i sure wish Carla and Dr. Godwin would get their info together so we can see an end to this nightmare and get the murderer off the street.

With all respect to Carla, I have to say I would trust Dr. Godwin with his knowledge and evidence gathering experience over Carla. The evidence in the bedroom indicates a struggle period.

He is trained beyond the normal investigator and that is why he was called in. He continues to make inroads on this case and he will solve it. I am sure the family appreciates everyone's dedication to the case but I believe at this point, it will be Dr. Godwin who ties it all together.

[victoria01]

Esah, we still mean to take a look at your place.


victoria

[balaney]

I think she left willingly and someone came back to stage a struggle. The fingernail the dr found was probably a fake one from one of the girls getting ready at Tara's. The bed post? probably been that way for ages.

If there were many girls in her bedroom I would not doubt someone could have dropped a necklace or bumped a lamp - her room would NOT be totally spotless (like she is known to be) after all those girls tromped through.

[janis]

but I believe at this point, it will be Dr. Godwin who ties it all together.


I have to agree with ya

[benhill29]

I know because I have left and come back and had to pick every thing up off the floor where my cat has knocked it. This has happened during the night while I have been sleeping as well as when I have been out of the house....Was her cat contained to one area or could he have knocked over the lamp?

Also, were there any power outages reported that night?

Just wondering.

:rose: For Tara Always

[Atok]

Originally posted by benhill29
Was her cat contained to one area or could he have knocked over the lamp?
Also, were there any power outages reported that night?


Herman was a free roaming kitty.

No power outages reported.

Now doesn't that suck for the perp who went back and plugged in the clock several hours later, but didn't think to reset it for the correct time?

There's a big :punch: for ya...

[justbrowsing2]

I thought they said the clock was a sentimental thing and never told the right time. A clock would blink if the power went off.

[Saunterer]

Some of Carla's pics from Ocilla are up on her web site.

http://home.att.net/~carla.baron/hauntingjournal.html

[concernedperson]

I am sorry a TV show in progress. The posings are a little much for me.

[ldg]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by concernedperson
I am sorry a TV show in progress. The posings are a little much for me. [/QUOTE



i would not be smiling and posing in front of a camera if i even thought my sister had been murdered. hey instead lets get on with the search its been 5 months i want some answers. :flamemad:

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by ldg
[QUOTE]Originally posted by concernedperson
I am sorry a TV show in progress. The posings are a little much for me. [/QUOTE



i would not be smiling and posing in front of a camera if i even thought my sister had been murdered. hey instead lets get on with the search its been 5 months i want some answers. :flamemad:

The pics are of Carla not Anita.

[paula214]

I note that a suspect/s who has committed a murder would be more likely to discredit what a medium says than a PhD person. They would be unsure as to just what is said, and facts are only facts when they are hard facts.

In surmising, that is what investigators do, and these are what the law has to prove are accurate as only the victim and the perpetrators know, and the hidden finger of God. Now God is a strange entity in that cold cases come to light with some hidden hand.

Take one case.

A murder victim lies at the bottom of a lake, weighted for over 20 years. She is still missing and everyone gets on with the deception, some know and it is kept one of the little secrets.

Then a chance diver looking for something else finds this object tied and weighted over 25 years later. It takes years to find out the clues as to who, how and when. But it happens and the criminal is behind bars as status has not stopped the hand of God. I am sure any God-given person who is in investigations will also know that God can reply and make a statement by such means. Is it the hand of justice that found this woman, or just time: Or was some higher power deciding that she should come to the surface?

I have respect for both persons and anyone, paid or unpaid who tries to find a 'voice' for the missing. In behavioural traits I would also assume that there was a disturbance in the room as Dr Godwin said. But after this brief upset of personal items and no blood, was there an event after that as to her running out in the car with her purse and keys after ....that .....person in her car ?

If so the car and her met with this person after she caught him up, and that is a possibility given her purse and keys were gone.

A woman who is taken by force may take her keys,but not her purse. So why did she take both. The logical answer is an arguement as a domestic and then one chases the other. Was the waiting person perhaps in the sidelines who grabbed that opportunity? There are to be then two persons as premeditated.

Logic says that if we theorise someone's actions as our own we have to be in that 'semiotic' coded society. That is as insider having knowledge of such. No man knows what it is like to have a period, as an example, and no woman knows what it feels like to be testosterone charged. So we have a gender dispute here as to who sees what and how.

I think personally both are right as will come to pass. A psychic has given a name to the family and a location that is being searched at present.

But consider this.
Were the children of Garabandal fake, or did God give them a message; are are the people who speak in tongues evidence of some divine gift charlatons or fakes?

It is impossible this side of things to know. I knew that the late Pope waited for Prince Rainier to die first and said so to the Catholic Church, just as Mother Theresa chose to die the week of Princess Diana's funeral. The Pope died when I said he would and gives me no great sense of pride to 'know' that. Other incidents have been in disasters where I have 'seen' the disasters and more victims than they have said there were.

To barter as to who is right depending on experience, go back. All us academics and psychics as either, and or, could not find Dylan and Shasta, but a waitress did with no doctorate, law enforcement, or psychic ability. She saw the usual as she was supposed to see in a killer that used the law to become a protection. She acted on this usual and acted as a shift worker who was to him below his status and visibility, another poor paid worker. In contrast he was a highly paid computer expert who had endorsement from Professors who knew his past on entry to university after prison for sadism, child abduction and paedophiile acts on a minor.

Joseph Duncan who played cacheing in leaving objects for people to find on his website left humans too. It was just like a computer model of which is 0 or 1. Bloggers found he was in a place that victims were missing and correlating behind the scenes information came, and hey ho, they found he had killed more than most of the Groene family prior.

What we learn is that each person is not a proved criminal and evades forensic detection by observing the rules of that society in a subversive way. Hence why I say that a trained expert with tried and tested procedures as to extended learning intensity qualifies in factual representation. But in theory driven procedures the spirit world also has a hand, and we do not understand it still. That is why the security services have psychics as 'remote viewers' for they believe some have this ability. Some are entertainers, and some are part gifted and part guessers. Having spoken online to Carla I can say she is one of the most sensitive, and understated mediums I have ever come across. Ego is not her mantra. So lets wait and see.

[RCOOKE]

Originally posted by Esah
To Rcooke, I am saying this with respect. I know you don't have any time for psychics and such. I've determined that from your other posts. Perhaps they have been of no help to you in your situation.

With that said though, I feel compelled right now to let you know where "my" heart is. If I can use my gift to bring just one child home, it would make my entire life make sense. Please don't close the door on those of us who are doing things for all the right reasons. There are charlatains out there of course, but they don't all have the title "psychic" either.

God uses us in many ways, and I couldn't do what I do without God.

Maybe Carla will not be right, and maybe she will take up a lot of time in Ocilla, with no results. ( no more than all the cops and investigators have so far.) But, what if one detail comes through her that makes all the difference? I wouldn't give that one detail up for the sake of what she does for a living.
Sincerely
Esah

Esah,

I understand what you are saying but please realize that Carla Baron (and others such as Sylvia Browne) profit over the hardships of others through books, appearances, etc. They brag and brag about how much they can help and in the end, they provide nothing useful.

There are a lot of people who believe they have "powers" and want to help out of the goodness of their hearts but indirectly I see them hurt families. The family doesn't need to hear gory details about what happened to their missing loved one. Especially when the details come from a person who pulled it out of his/her head.

I have no problem if a psychic wants to help with a case but he/she should check out his/her own ideas and not contact the family of the missing until/unless they find real evidence about a case. Until something "real" is found whatever they psychic feels or sees it's just in his/her head.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the FBI, and John Walsh all say a psychic has never helped solve a missing person case. When I talked to Dr. Godwin yesterday I got the feeling he didn't believe Baron came up with anything new.

Robert

[concernedperson]

Robert, do you know if Dr. Godwin is back in Ocilla? He had such momentum going I would hate his efforts to get buried or slowed down.

[Atok]

I happen to agree with Mr. Cooke in this.

Carla will provide media attention, but she is doing so while creating a TV show which benefits her bottom line. Not that there is anything wrong with making a living with your talents, but it is a very grey area when your talents are something that tread so dangerously close to profiting from other peoples tragedy.

Other people that are sensitive are working on the case, in the background, and when they feel they have something new they spend demonstrable time researching the facts to see if it ties in at all, they don't go to the family and impact them emotively. If something does match up with facts they then present it to a trusted investigator not to the victim's family. They know, or should know not to cause psychic distress in others by raising and lowering hopes repeatedly in a person.

Carla's situation was such that she was called in by the family, she needs access to the family to do her work and they wanted to be present as she had revealings "out of her head". I personally would have welcomed a "psychic" to assist the investigation, but I would not put put myself at the mercy emotionally of their hopes and promises, nor would I pay anything.

[RCOOKE]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Robert, do you know if Dr. Godwin is back in Ocilla? He had such momentum going I would hate his efforts to get buried or slowed down.

Dr. Godwin did a presentation on what he found out in Ocilla at the CUE Center Conference. He did say he wants to go back to Ocillia but did not say when. He's very interested in the case so I think it won't be long until he returns.

Dr. Godwin found a lot of possible evidence (most from Tara's house) which was missed by law enforcement. He also stated that the evidence may or may not be part of her disappearance. Only time will tell.

Robert

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by RCOOKE


Dr. Godwin did a presentation on what he found out in Ocilla at the CUE Center Conference. He did say he wants to go back to Ocillia but did not say when. He's very interested in the case so I think it won't be long until he returns.

Dr. Godwin found a lot of possible evidence (most from Tara's house) which was missed by law enforcement. He also stated that the evidence may or may not be part of her disappearance. Only time will tell.

Robert

Robert - do you know if Dr. Godwin got paid for that presentation at the CUE Center Conference? Just wondering, because IF he DID, he is fact, not much better than the psychics, then is he??

Sorry don't want to come across ugly, but I happen to believe in the psychic ability. Now, I will agree with you, a large percentage are charlatan's posing for financial greed. However, I do believe they can help in some cases such as this.

Why, even CourtTV has it's on Psychic Detectives show...I watch it, and yes, I believe.

Bev Ann:)

[Esah]

RCooke,

I understand your point of view. Let me also add that I never talk to the families. Even if they call me first, I ask who the investigating officer is and I then contact them. It think LE does a good job, and I leave their job to them!

You will never hear me give gory details to a family member or on a forum. That is cruel and heartless. Some psychics are operating from their ego's and want everyone to know what they have supposedly received. I have chewed a few out in the past for posting graphic details. It serves no purpose at all.

In my opinion, a psychic's job is to find the missing person. The million details of how this all happened will be easier when the person is found. So I only focus on where the person is. If they are deceased, then I still have to focus on where they are. Everything I do is leading up to their location and nothing else.

In fact, have you seen any of my intuitive details posted here? Maybe a thought or two about other things, but I have given all of my info to the proper authorities. I have not spoken to the family and don't need anyone to know who I am. It's not about me. It's about Tara.

p.s. My details about Tara are not graphic at all because I still see her alive. Boy, could I be wrong, but that is what I feel. And Ya never know, I could be right too!

Esah

[concernedperson]

Dr.Godwin is close to sainthood for me right now and so are a bunch of others. Those that fought for Tara and never let her memory be discarded in a pile of rubble. Those that spoke on her behalf when she couldn't speak and those that are still fighting for Justice For Tara.

[RCOOKE]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Robert - do you know if Dr. Godwin got paid for that presentation at the CUE Center Conference? Just wondering, because If he DID, he is fact, not much better than the psychics, then is he??

Sorry don't want to come across ugly, but I happen to believe in the psychic ability. Now, I will agree with you, a large percentage are charlatan's posing for financial greed. However, I do believe they can help in some cases such as this.

Why, even CourtTV has it's on Psychic Detectives show...I watch it, and yes, I believe.

Bev Ann:)

I have no idea if Godwin or any of the other presenters were paid. Yes Dr. Godwin does have a book that he sells. Godwin uses scientific methods and facts. Psychics use thoughts and visions.

You have the right to believe in their thoughts and visions. I am just cautioning people about psyhics. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad.

I've said all along that a psychic is welcome to the reward for finding my missing daughter but they have to help find her. So far the 30+ psychics I've listened to have failed. I'm so tired of hearing "she's near water", "they took her down a gravel road", "I can't sleep at night because of these visions", etc, etc.

I did had to laugh about the TV shows. The media is what pushed psychics to where people believe they really find missing persons and help solve other crimes. It's worked out well for both parties so the programs will continue.

Robert

[RCOOKE]

Originally posted by Esah
RCooke,

I understand your point of view. Let me also add that I never talk to the families. Even if they call me first, I ask who the investigating officer is and I then contact them. It think LE does a good job, and I leave their job to them!

You will never hear me give gory details to a family member or on a forum. That is cruel and heartless. Some psychics are operating from their ego's and want everyone to know what they have supposedly received. I have chewed a few out in the past for posting graphic details. It serves no purpose at all.
Esah

Esah,

I like the way you work. You are concerned with helping. This is how anyone should help with a missing person case. The important thing is to help solve the case.

Please don't think I'm trying to degrade you in any way. I'm just stating the facts as I have seen over the past 4-1/2 years. Out of hundreds of psychics it just seems like one would have helped with a case. If it was just my experience I wouldn't say anything but with the NCMEC, FBI, and John Walsh seeing the same thing I like to caution people about believing anything not based on facts.

Egos are containly a problem. I've seen them from LE, search and rescue workers, the media, and others. The focus should always be on the victim.

Robert

[One2Snoop]

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