Who had motive? Who had opportunity?

[Aussie]

This is what it comes down to in the end.
Who had a motive to want Tara gone? Who had the opportunity to make that happen?
We need to go through the people of interest (those classed as POI by the posters on this board) and one by one and work out, did they have a motive, if in our minds they did, then did they have opportunity to make Tara disappear?
It is a process of elimination. From what i can see there is a bit of a mish mash of facts in the system, but somewhere amongst it all is the answer to the question: WHERE IS TARA?

[Atok]

Welcome Aussie, I know you are relatively new to this board. If you head back near the beginning, some several months ago you can catch up with our means, motive and alibi threads.

What you are walking into at the moment is more of a weeded out version with less detail than you'd get if you started at the beginning.

Several boards about Tara were created and posters have been back and forth on them all, boards were closed due to animosities and abandonment, losing some excellent threads in the process.

I believe almost every POI has been grilled out except HD and SF. These two have less info available becuase they are both ACTIVE LE and they know not to reveal, talk or speak to the public and so do their families. We will not get any information they don't release themselves and that information will be very limited.

[Aussie]

Thanks Atok,
I will go back and find them and have a read.
I agree with you about those who are currently LE they will be keeping their cards close to their chests and not letting anything slip.
All will be revealed !!!!

[Atok]

SF is the officer MH used as his alibi, he was in his squad car all night.

SF is the officer who came when a call was made to check on the disturbance at Tara's residence when AV was knocking on the door.

SF is the officer Tara made a complaint about reagrding information that was passed to MH that she didn't feel was any of his business. Information that only SF had to pass on.

[Atok]

Also back in theories and speculation I posted why MH would leave the club to hang with SF.

Either he left the club and harmed Tara and then needed an alibi and called his friend SF.

OR

He wasn't ready to go to bed yet at 1:30 and wanted a guy he could talk to that understood his current emotions. He very well couldn't talk to his GF about Tara now could he? So he calls SF knowing he's a night owl too and probably on duty and they go for this ride. after getting worked up again about Tara he harms her after.

There is a third opinion that the two of them did this during the ride around.

People who know the exact clock times know the truth here.

BTW they met up at dispatch which is pretty darn close to Tara's house.

[Aussie]

THIS IS MORE FOR MYSELF AND ANY OTHER NEWBIES AS A SUMMARY

MOTIVE:
MH: EX boyfriend, jealousy? fear of reprisal from Tara
SF: Payback for dobbing him in and upsetting his mate
NEIGHBOURS: No motive that i can see
AV: Infatuation, jealousy
HD: Maybe a knockback, or fear of family finding something out
ML: Possibly a payment from somebody
Stranger: Sexual Predator, no motive really needed.
BIL: suspect lie detector test about affair with Tara

Are there any others anyone would like to add?

OPPORTUNITY:
MH: Setup Alibi while someone else carried out? Or small window of opportunity
SF: In it with MH or maybe teach Tara a lesson
Neighbours: Plenty of opportunity, but seems a lack of motive
AV: I am not sure of his alibi
HD: Now admits he was at Tara's house on Sunday night - Where was he on Saturday night - I haven't been able to find that info.
ML: I have not found what his alibi is,
Stranger: Same time frame as any other, but Dr. Godwin feels it is someone who is comfortable in the vicinity of her home
BIL: I am not sure where he was at the time, but this would surely have been one of the lie detector questions.

If i am wrong or someone has answers please let me know.
All this is speculation I know but worth going over again.

[IBC]

Maybe opportunity presented itself to someone. What if Tara remembered she had left something somewhere earlier on Saturday night? Maybe she thought it would be easier to retrieve it before she turned in for the night, or maybe she was concerned it would be taken. Perhaps she willingly left her home to get it when someone abducted her.

Her last cell phone call, if I recall correctly, was around 12:30 a.m. The timing is such that she and MH could have accidentally come into contact with each other. MH could have harmed her, returned her car, then had time to meet with SF. SF could be innocent.

It's really strange about ML and the house burning, yet I don't hear Le flocking to revisit this. Maybe in buring the house and truck it was total revenge for his truck being repossessed.

To be an accomplice to murder because someone is your friend is a HUGE step!

[Atok]

I submit both SF and ML can be innocent. It's difficult but not impossible for MH to do the whole shebang.

Before people think I don't investigate elsewhere and am just an MH basher, let me assure you, I dug long and talked to lots of people trying to CLEAR MH first.

I think apart form MH, HD looks suspicious because we don't have info to take him off the suspect list.

Apart from those two, a stranger is the next best guess, she was in cross contact with lots of people. These things will be brought to provide "reasonable doubt" if and when ANYONE is indicted for this disappearence.

I have no personal desire to destroy MH, I just can't clear him and he's done very suspicious things.

I don't personally know anyone in the state of Georgia, all my information comes from personal research and you guys helping.

The problem I have with her heading out to get something, in her sweats/etc. after her last phone call is how did the car get back?

Are you suggesting she was followed home by someone in a different vehicle and then jumped and dragged away?

I am sure there are investigations on all these fronts being pursued. I'm not neglecting the varied possibilities only pushing my strongest theory until it breaks.

[Atok]

Ocillian,

Who else had access to the incident report and wanted to tell MH the contents of it?

[Atok]

The attacker would then have to enter the home, remove her house keys and purse, lock the residence and then drive away with Tara.

See? The random stranger theory can always fit. There are still too many loopholes falling under reasonable doubt to put out a warrant for any one person or persons.

That is why we start with known individuals and weed them out first and why we need to find her.

Then we can trace backwards with forensics.

[murdershewrote]

I haven't followed this case all that closely but I guess what bothers me here is motive. Why would anybody who dated or had a fling with Tara want to kill her? I mean, I know people are killed for alot of very stupid reasons...but this is a small town, everybody knows what every body else is doing, and who they are doing it with. She wasn't married or divorced from anyone, no kids involved. I just find it hard to believe that anyone she knew would get rid of her over a relationship gone bad, or whatever you want to call it. None of them would have a rape motive, seems to me. Why would any of these guys risk going to prison just to get rid of Tara ....is just doesn't make sense to me.


I'm still open to the idea of a stalker or somebody on the fringe who saw her at these beauty pageants.

[Atok]

I don't think her death was pre-meditated.

I think the web of crazy details around her was all concealment of crime.

Motive in such a situation was not premeditated desire to remove/kill Tara, but rage that went out of control during a confrontation with Tara and a result that was not able to be explained away by saying something like "She choked on her food while I was present." Or "We got in a pushing/shoving argument and her head hit the marble table."

However she died, and yes I think she is dead, it wasn't able to be explained away and the perp had to begin concealment.

[concernedperson]

I found this article in the Atlanta Journal this a.m. It is about a domestic abuse counselor and her date who were murdered by her ex. It is interesting that they had been separated 6 months before he used a key to enter her home. No violence had been discussed before, however, emotional abuse was. Just to show sometimes it is a delayed reaction.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/stories/0323claytonkilling.html

[Its just me]

I think Tara was removed from her home barefoot or she dressed to go out somewhere because her regular shoes are not missing. Remember MHu stating she went into the house to see if Tara's shoes were in their normal place (Not a quote but in an interview). I was told these were the shoes Tara worn if not dressing to go out. JMOO Because no one really knows.
There are people not discussed that LE have questioned and no I am not going to name names. Sorry but that is my decision not to be the one to bring someone out in the public because not all the people we have discussed are guilty and I know it has not been easy for the innocent ones. I also think an investigation should start with the people we have discussed because they are the ones who were close to Tara as far as we know.

Thoughts on people we have discussed.
1. MH. I think there continued to be problems between MH and Tara. What I have not idea. It could have been Tara could not give up the relationship, which I think Tara was very emotional before she disappeared because of MH. She was taking medication for her emotions. I think Tara had a personality to be extremely vindictive if she did not get her way on certain things. (She is not the only person like this so I am not bashing) I think if MH is involved it is because Tara pushed the wrong button at the wrong time and he snapped. It could have been Tara threatened to tell something or what ever. MH may have not wanted the relationship to continue but he continued to have contact with Tara for what reason I do not know. MHOO

2. HD. I believe HD and Tara were having a relationship that was much more than friendship. I was told that Tara was involved with HD but was not interested in a life time relationship with him when she disappeared simply because she loved MH. We know little about HD but we also know more about where he was during the weekend than anyone else and none of it came from him. If our information is correct he spoke to Tara after 10:00 PM on Sat night. There is information that he was watching a ball game with friends when this call took place. There is information that HD was possible in Ocilla Sunday afternoon. There is information that HD was at Tara's house a little after mid-night Monday AM. Spoke with Tara's mother. No one in Tara's family has ever discussed anything concerning HD but if I am not mistaken only said HD was a long time friend of the family, which I do not think, is true but there was a deeper relationship. MHOO

3. AV..I believe AV and Tara had more of a relationship than what has been posted. I think Tara or AV possibly ended this relationship month before she disappeared because there is no information about contacts just prior to Tara's disappearance. AV appeared to be jealous when he was banging on the door but what his feelings were when Tara disappeared I don't know but if AV is involved in Tara's disappearance I think it could have been another try to establish a relationship and Tara rejected him. MHOO


4. RR...I don't know enough to have an opinion. MHOO

5. Neighbors. There appears to be a special relationship with the P's especially Mr. P. I have questions about why he did certain things like wash the car unless he was told to wash the car by AG. Not checking on Tara when FG called by saying he did not want to invade Tara's privacy makes me think HD's vehicle was seen at Tara's when FG called the P's early Monday am around 12:15. I would like to know what the P's normal routine was for the weekends prior to and after Tara disappeared. MHOO

6. SF. I don't know of any connection to Tara that would cause SF to harm Tara not saying it's not there but so far nothing has been provided to make me take a hard look at SF. Providing an alibi for MH could be innocent or guilt if MH is involved. MHOO


7. ML. I think if ML is involved it is not in connection with anyone else simply because I don't have enough information on who ML's close friends were. I think the house fire was determined to be arson and I think the vehicle that burned was a SUV. I believe this has been investigated and the area searched and if there are any evidence the LE has it. MHOO

8. LG..There is enough information to make me question if LG and Tara were more than BIL/SIL. Not only the LDT that LG publicly spoke about but also information gathered from someone who was close to Tara years ago. I am not saying there was a relationship but is something I do question. I have information that LG supplied Tara with medication in sample form just prior to Tara disappearing. I cannot rule out a suicide and if it was a suicide I believe it was by the sample medication LG provided to Tara. Why no body it is my speculation only that Tara's body was removed from her house to cover up something and it could involve anyone. I think if Tara committed suicide there is conversation in phone calls Sat. night that alerted someone. MHOO

9. AG..I just don't know. So many of AG’s actions are...different, questionable, strange, again I just don't know. MHOO

10. ItsJustMe, FSBIII, Gooch and wife, and all other regular posters who have been accused I only think is it an attempt to slander or divert the topic. MHOO

11. The unknown. Simply as that we just don't know.

12. Tara left on her own free will and is alive and well. I think if this happened Tara left for a few days with intentions of returning but thing went public so fast and she was not emotionally stable enough to return but she could have left saying the h*** with everything I'm getting out of Dodge.

Just my thoughts and done are probably not even close to what really happened. Sorry I wrote a book.

[Its just me]

Sorry but I forgot to add the last land-line phone call Dr. G spoke about after 11:00 pm Saturday night. Not sure if it was incoming or a call Tara made. And I think a dark truck was seen at Tara's and I think Tara was seen getting out of a black truck in Fitz. while at the pageant.

[Its just me]

Another thought: My suicide speculations came about by reading a link where LG is talking about being questioned by the GBI. LG states the GBI questioned him more about medical history and his treating Tara etc. and I thought these questions had to be for some reason. MHOO

[readmylips]

ijm, very nicely presented and a fine example of your open minded approach. this is one of the reasons i always read your thoughts because i know you are considering all angles. that is not always easy to do.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by readmylips
ijm, very nicely presented and a fine example of your open minded approach. this is one of the reasons i always read your thoughts because i know you are considering all angles. that is not always easy to do.

Thank you RML I try very hard to have an open mind because no one really knows what happened to Tara unless there is a perp or perps and they know. I personally don't know any of the people which I think helps keep an open mind and I have no agenda in this case except to possible help in some small way determine what happened to Tara.

[One2Snoop]

This is just awesome you guys! :beer:

#3 AV - IIRC the incident with AV banging on Tara's door happened 5-6 months prior to her disappearance. Can someone verify if this is true or not? Thanks.

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
This is just awesome you guys! :beer:

#3 AV - IIRC the incident with AV banging on Tara's door happened 5-6 months prior to her disappearance. Can someone verify if this is true or not? Thanks.

I would like to assist you, but I don't have fact re: the time factor. By reading the report filed at the PD re: this incident you would gather this info. Don't forget to read HD's supplemental report attached.

[Results]

Originally posted by RCM-715


I would like to assist you, but I don't have fact re: the time factor. By reading the report filed at the PD re: this incident you would gather this info. Don't forget to read HD's supplemental report attached.

Is there really one from HD of this incident...a report I mean that he submitted on this incident? How can I see this report? I just have to see this report HD turned in. JMHO

[concernedperson]

Things are starting to fall in to place. Not a full resolution but a reasonable facsimile. I am beyond exhaustion so temper everything I say but the road is a little clearer.

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by RCM-715


I would like to assist you, but I don't have fact re: the time factor. By reading the report filed at the PD re: this incident you would gather this info. Don't forget to read HD's supplemental report attached.

I have not seen the police file or HD's supplemental report - it sounds like you've already read it? :shrug:

Results I'd like to know more about it also if and when you get your hands on it. Thanks.

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by RCM-715


I would like to assist you, but I don't have fact re: the time factor. By reading the report filed at the PD re: this incident you would gather this info. Don't forget to read HD's supplemental report attached. How did you see this. Are you Le. I don't believe this is open to the public. jmo.

[odette]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
This is just awesome you guys! :beer:

#3 AV - IIRC the incident with AV banging on Tara's door happened 5-6 months prior to her disappearance. Can someone verify if this is true or not? Thanks.

I was told by a local and have read that the 'banging on Tara's door' incident by AV occured in March 2005.


IMO

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by RCM-715
I would like to assist you, but I don't have fact re: the time factor. By reading the report filed at the PD re: this incident you would gather this info. Don't forget to read HD's supplemental report attached.

I hate to rain on your parade, but I don't buy for a minute that you read any police reports on this case.

Many people don't understand how obtaining a police report happens. This is how news outlets, etc obtain this info, legally.:

There is a CRN/FIF number assigned to each report. That number is taken to the police station in which the report was filed. The desk clerk will look at the CRN/FIF number and enter it into a computer data base. The scanned report will then show up, if it's available. Obtaining a police report is about 10.00.

The computer database will not let certain reports be released, per the investigating unit. For example, if a domestic violence victim filed a report, that report won't be made available to the public. The rationale is that the victim's current information is contained within that report. Case reports that won't be released to the public are unsolved homicides, missing persons, etc.

If this guy has any police reports on this case, I question how he obtained them. This is a case sensitive matter and the information wouldn't have been scanned into the system.

[Results]

Originally posted by Merrick
TD,

It was my impression that RCM was discussing the AV disturbing the peace complaint back in March 05. Why would that information be sensitive? IMO, it had nothing to do with a missing person at the time and it's quite possible that MH petitioned for a copy or was provided a copy by his LE friends.

All JMHO but I think it's possible that the report was part of LE's public domain records and could be had for $10, as you stated.
I agree now, if it does exist, it would be held more securely from release to just anyone.
MOO.

Merrick






I'm with you on this one. This report had nothing to do with the disappearance and it happened way before she disappeared. I think this report is available and I want to read what HD had to say about this incident. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by One2Snoop


I have not seen the police file or HD's supplemental report - it sounds like you've already read it? :shrug:

Results I'd like to know more about it also if and when you get your hands on it. Thanks.

If I can get it I will be more than happy to let you see it. :)

[Results]

Originally posted by Merrick


RCM,

At this point in time, if the report still exists, I doubt anyone would be able to get a copy of it because of Tara's subsequent disappearance.

IMO, you know MH and he spoke to you of this incident. Could you share what you recall was in HD's supplemental report? TIA, Merrick

JMHO.

I want to know also. What is strange to me is that NOONE ever said that HD made a statement on this incident. This whole time not one word that there was a statement he gave on this incident. Now more then likely we won't be able to get the report. JMHO

[kundalini]

My mind can only focus on one perp at a time so I will do MH since there is more info on him to look at.

My theory is that Tara went home around 11 and got ready for bed.
She probably turned on her light.
She removed her necklace and earrings.
She got ready for bed.
Either someone called her and interupted her getting ready for bed or physically came to her home.
Quickly she threw clothes out of the closet looking for something to put on and grabbed the earrings not the necklace as she does not wear a necklace when her neckline does not show (based on pictures on the net).
Working with the call theory Tara grabbed her purse and keys and went off to meet him.
When she arrived something went wrong and she was hurt.
Using her car (seat moved) he takes her to a safe place - the empty house.
Needing something from the PD - easy access to gloves or whatever elose would help erase his prints, suspicion he contacts his buddy.
He meets up with his friend and gets the items he needs either from his police car or at the station when no one is looking.
IMO this is where the glove comes from. He knows better than to go buy one or risk getting caught.
In the wee morning hours he returns to Tara's probably between 5 and 6 or 7. Whilke it is still dark. Dolly barks.
He cleans up his prints off the car. Also off the door or inside the house if the theory is that he actually physically came over.
On Sunday Tara is still at the empty house - either inside or in the pond.
Needing a reason to spread his foot prints and scent in the deep woods/swamp areas, he contacts his DNR buddy and rides with him. He also looks for off the beaten path places.
If anyone was to find her body once it is moved and match up ANYTHING to him he would have the alibi of being out there with his buddy while his buddy was working. Legit reason for finding footprints in the clay or clay on his boots that might match the location of Tara.
I believe he then moved her body to a new location possibly someplace he scouted out with this DNR buddy and that is why the dogs hit on the pond. He used his friend's truck and also had to torch it. Had to torch the house to make it NOT look suspicious - just burning the truck that is.
He has now relocated Tara's body to a remote location probably water knowing that just burying her body or leaving it in the woods would allow hunters to find it during hunting season when everything was dry.

He used his two friends - not just for an alibi but because he needed something from them. He needed physical materials from the PD or the Police car and needed to cover his tracks (if ever found) by going out with the DNR.

He used his buddies and they should be aware of this and think it through and do the right thing.

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by kundalini
My mind can only focus on one perp at a time so I will do MH since there is more info on him to look at.

My theory is that Tara went home around 11 and got ready for bed.
She probably turned on her light.
She removed her necklace and earrings.
She got ready for bed.
Either someone called her and interupted her getting ready for bed or physically came to her home.
Quickly she threw clothes out of the closet looking for something to put on and grabbed the earrings not the necklace as she does not wear a necklace when her neckline does not show (based on pictures on the net).
Working with the call theory Tara grabbed her purse and keys and went off to meet him.
When she arrived something went wrong and she was hurt.
Using her car (seat moved) he takes her to a safe place - the empty house.
Needing something from the PD - easy access to gloves or whatever elose would help erase his prints, suspicion he contacts his buddy.
He meets up with his friend and gets the items he needs either from his police car or at the station when no one is looking.
IMO this is where the glove comes from. He knows better than to go buy one or risk getting caught.
In the wee morning hours he returns to Tara's probably between 5 and 6 or 7. Whilke it is still dark. Dolly barks.
He cleans up his prints off the car. Also off the door or inside the house if the theory is that he actually physically came over.
On Sunday Tara is still at the empty house - either inside or in the pond.
Needing a reason to spread his foot prints and scent in the deep woods/swamp areas, he contacts his DNR buddy and rides with him. He also looks for off the beaten path places.
If anyone was to find her body once it is moved and match up ANYTHING to him he would have the alibi of being out there with his buddy while his buddy was working. Legit reason for finding footprints in the clay or clay on his boots that might match the location of Tara.
I believe he then moved her body to a new location possibly someplace he scouted out with this DNR buddy and that is why the dogs hit on the pond. He used his friend's truck and also had to torch it. Had to torch the house to make it NOT look suspicious - just burning the truck that is.
He has now relocated Tara's body to a remote location probably water knowing that just burying her body or leaving it in the woods would allow hunters to find it during hunting season when everything was dry.

He used his two friends - not just for an alibi but because he needed something from them. He needed physical materials from the PD or the Police car and needed to cover his tracks (if ever found) by going out with the DNR.

He used his buddies and they should be aware of this and think it through and do the right thing.


Your theory sounds like a very good possibility. Good job on all of your thinking. Wonder how many times since 10/22/05, MH has spent an entire weekend riding with SF and JH? I bet I know the answer already before anyone even replies.

[fsbiii]

Probably about as many times as a killer kills someone in one location, moves them to a house, later moves them to the woods, then later moves them to water.

Originally posted by Redneck Local

Your theory sounds like a very good possibility. Good job on all of your thinking. Wonder how many times since 10/22/05, MH has spent an entire weekend riding with SF and JH? I bet I know the answer already before anyone even replies.

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Probably about as many times as a killer kills someone in one location, moves them to a house, later moves them to the woods, then later moves them to water.



I know, it takes a real sick person/persons with no remorse to kill an innocent human and then continue to move her body to avoid being caught doesn't?

[fsbiii]

Yes. You are correct, sir.

Originally posted by Redneck Local


I know, it takes a real sick person/persons with no remorse to kill an innocent human and then continue to move her body to avoid being caught doesn't?

[mooloo]

Who would have this kind of training or personality? To do this as Kundalini (sorry if that is not spelled correctly) suggests do you think a sick person or perhaps someone with specific training?

Originally posted by Redneck Local


I know, it takes a real sick person/persons with no remorse to kill an innocent human and then continue to move her body to avoid being caught doesn't?

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by Merrick


And you know the answer to your own question because..........? What, have you taken to stalking MH?

MOO.

Have you stalked MH to know he isn't guilty of anything?

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by Merrick


Again, I ask, you know this how? It's never been established beyond a reasonable doubt that Tara was the victim of a crime. LE still believes it's possible she just walked from what I've read recently. Also, there is no evidence to suggest, that if deceased, Tara's body has been moved. IMO.

I agree it takes a sick mind to do these types of things. But you already know that, huh? Your pychiatrist's diagnosis?

JMHO

Tara didn't run away believe me or not, that is your choice.

You must have me confused with someone else, maybe you ARE the one that sees a pychiatrist huh?

[fsbiii]

There is strange punctuation and grammar in the air... I think I smell ahiredpi or an ashtray belonging to Angela... JMOO, FWiW, IIRC.

Originally posted by Redneck Local


Tara didn't run away believe me or not, that is your choice.

You must have me confused with someone else, maybe you ARE the one that sees a pychiatrist huh?

[Results]

Originally posted by fsbiii
There is strange punctuation and grammar in the air... I think I smell ahiredpi or an ashtray belonging to Angela... JMOO, FWiW, IIRC.



Thank you for the info. I was starting to wonder if it was a "sport". JMHO

:patriot:

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by fsbiii
There is strange punctuation and grammar in the air... I think I smell ahiredpi or an ashtray belonging to Angela... JMOO, FWiW, IIRC.



LOL, you know all the answers don't you? Who is Angela?

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by Results


Thank you for the info. I was starting to wonder if it was a "sport". JMHO

:patriot:

No not a sport, but you certainly are a sport, that's for sure.

[Results]

Originally posted by Redneck Local


No not a sport, but you certainly are a sport, that's for sure.

Stop flirting now! It isn't appropriate to flirt! TIA

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by Merrick


No, I'm not the one who is confused nor am I the one in need of help. You may be confused because you forgot which nic you were supposed to be today, Oops, OhBrother, etc., etc.

I could banter back and forth with you all day but it serves no useful purpose and is hindering the sharing of information on the subject of this forum, Tara Faye Grinstead. I shall now put you on ignore.
IMO,
Merrick


I know who I am LOL. I am not any of the names you called me. Sorry to bust your bubble deary. You don't seem to be able to figure out who you are is my own personal opinion.

If these threads were for Tara, then there would not be the bashing of new nics that come on here. A new nic should be the least of anyones concern on Tara's message board. The ONLY concern should be for Tara. No matter what anyone's theory is in what happened to Tara, should be able to be posted without the sarcasm and ridicule that comes from a select few on this MB.

You go ahead and put me on ignore, it only proves my point.

[Results]

Originally posted by Redneck Local



I know who I am LOL. I am not any of the names you called me. Sorry to bust your bubble deary. You don't seem to be able to figure out who you are is my own personal opinion.

If these threads were for Tara, then there would not be the bashing of new nics that come on here. A new nic should be the least of anyones concern on Tara's message board. The ONLY concern should be for Tara. No matter what anyone's theory is in what happened to Tara, should be able to be posted without the sarcasm and ridicule that comes from a select few on this MB.

You go ahead and put me on ignore, it only proves my point.

There is no IF these threads are for Tara they are for Tara. The problem with the new nics is simple. A new nic that knows it all and just became a member that derails conversation and has nothing to say basically except to keep the boards off of what we are discussing. I'm trying to find out about the necklace worn that night. Since you are in the know apparently can you please tell me if the GBI found the necklace or AG? Can you please tell me who has the necklace now? TIA JMHO

[Redneck Local]

Originally posted by Results


There is no IF these threads are for Tara they are for Tara. The problem with the new nics is simple. A new nic that knows it all and just became a member that derails conversation and has nothing to say basically except to keep the boards off of what we are discussing. I'm trying to find out about the necklace worn that night. Since you are in the know apparently can you please tell me if the GBI found the necklace or AG? Can you please tell me who has the necklace now? TIA JMHO

Then try using the necklace thread. It may help, don't you think?

[Results]

Originally posted by Redneck Local


Then try using the necklace thread. It may help, don't you think?

I did but since you don't go to the threads that we are actually having conversation into trying to find Tara I thought I better bring the thread to you! JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by Merrick


I'm an admitted fence sitter. kundalini, when you say he used his friends are you implying that SF and JH were aware that MH had harmed Tara and was using them for an alibi? I'm just not a big conspiracy believer. IMO, human nature is such that secrets just aren't kept.

JMHO.

I think what he/she meant by this is that he only used them for obtaining an alibi - his physical presence was known to them, not that they knew he harmed Tara, if he did. I hope that makes sense.

[dixinites]

This was such a good thread until the last 12 or so posts got it sidetracked with bickering. I am a new poster as of today, so please don't crucify me. I'd just like to see this thread back on track...I have a few questions and theories I'd like to kick around.

First about the missing earrings: I think Tara took them off in her car on her way home and put them in her missing purse. I do that all the time. Otherwise, she may not have taken them off yet before she got a call or visitor.

BTW, has anyone mentioned the pageant video she was going to watch? Regarding a timeline, it would seem relevent as to where this video was found. Was it in the video player, or laid somewhere so she could get back to it later?

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.

Another question is about the phone call she received from her friend while at the BBQ about 10:30. Did she seem to be in a hurry to leave after the call? Did she stay to watch the end of the game? Just wondering why her "friend" would pass on this info and whether or not Tara thought she could run into Marcus at the bar.

I also read that she recieved a call later than the 10:30 call.
Where did that information come from and supposedly, who was the call from.

If someone could respond to any of these questions, please do.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
This was such a good thread until the last 12 or so posts got it sidetracked with bickering. I am a new poster as of today, so please don't crucify me. I'd just like to see this thread back on track...I have a few questions and theories I'd like to kick around.

First about the missing earrings: I think Tara took them off in her car on her way home and put them in her missing purse. I do that all the time. Otherwise, she may not have taken them off yet before she got a call or visitor.

BTW, has anyone mentioned the pageant video she was going to watch? Regarding a timeline, it would seem relevent as to where this video was found. Was it in the video player, or laid somewhere so she could get back to it later?

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.

Another question is about the phone call she received from her friend while at the BBQ about 10:30. Did she seem to be in a hurry to leave after the call? Did she stay to watch the end of the game? Just wondering why her "friend" would pass on this info and whether or not Tara thought she could run into Marcus at the bar.

I also read that she recieved a call later than the 10:30 call.
Where did that information come from and supposedly, who was the call from.

If someone could respond to any of these questions, please do.

Dixinites I am not sure it was ever determined there was a video of the pageant. I could have missed it.
I agree with you about the earrings.
I think the clothes in the pics are somewhat misleading as to what Tara's house really looked like on Monday am. I think when the pic were taken things had been looked through trying to figure out what may have been missing. JMHOO
Are you speaking of ME when you are asking about the phone call with Tara's friend. I know ME stated in a post at the very beginning that she was third to the last person to talk with Tara and they had discussed the parade maybe but I was not aware of anything about MH.
Popcorn here on ctv seems to speak for Dr.Godwin and sadly all his post have disappeared. (On purpose is MOO) Anyway Popcorn stated (if anyone cares to believe his statements) all the calls to Tara on Sat night at the BBQ were pageant related except for the call from HD and I thought that HD was the last person to speak to Tara at the BBQ. I don't have any names except ME and HD's calls. Popcorn mentioned a call on her land line phone after 11:00 pm but he never stated who this was to my knowledge. Sorry I can't be of more help.

[One2Snoop]

I'm with IJM,I have never heard of any verification that a video ever existed.

[dixinites]

Thnx, IJM...Pardon my ignorance, but who is ME? I've read in numerous places (either articles by Steve Huff and Seamus McG, or maybe from MH's interview) that someone called Tara at the BBQ and told her that MH was at a bar.

That's the call I was asking about. It's in my notes somewhere...

[dixinites]

I believe the phone call from "a friend" was referred to in a Seamus McGraw article dated May 16th.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Thnx, IJM...Pardon my ignorance, but who is ME? I've read in numerous places (either articles by Steve Huff and Seamus McG, or maybe from MH's interview) that someone called Tara at the BBQ and told her that MH was at a bar.

That's the call I was asking about. It's in my notes somewhere...

I'm not sure we can put full names on the board so I will send you ME's name by a pm. I will do some reading tomorrow. Thanks for the information.

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
This was such a good thread until the last 12 or so posts got it sidetracked with bickering. I am a new poster as of today, so please don't crucify me. I'd just like to see this thread back on track...I have a few questions and theories I'd like to kick around.

First about the missing earrings: I think Tara took them off in her car on her way home and put them in her missing purse. I do that all the time. Otherwise, she may not have taken them off yet before she got a call or visitor.

BTW, has anyone mentioned the pageant video she was going to watch? Regarding a timeline, it would seem relevent as to where this video was found. Was it in the video player, or laid somewhere so she could get back to it later?

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.

Another question is about the phone call she received from her friend while at the BBQ about 10:30. Did she seem to be in a hurry to leave after the call? Did she stay to watch the end of the game? Just wondering why her "friend" would pass on this info and whether or not Tara thought she could run into Marcus at the bar.

I also read that she recieved a call later than the 10:30 call.
Where did that information come from and supposedly, who was the call from.

If someone could respond to any of these questions, please do.

It was reported that Tara called the owner of the dog she was watching for someone over the weekend when she arrived home and it has been said that she told the owner to get the dog bowl or whatever it was but that she might not answer the door so go ahead and get it. IIRC it was something to that nature. Anyways that is why when the overnight bag came up I wondered if she had made plans to go out of town over night with someone because she did tell her Mother that she didn't know if she would be able to go see her Sunday or not and the excuse was she would be too tired from Saturday and had studying to do. JMHO

[Results]

There is also a light fairy in this case. The P's came home after dark Sunday and Tara's car was there but no lights were on. HD was at Tara's at 12:15 AM Monday and he saw a dim light on in the house but the P's did not. Then on Monday morning there was a jack-o-lantern on the porch that was lit and the porch light was on too. So, no one knows who turned the lights on or off. JMHO

[dixinites]

I had heard about the dim light HD saw (which perhaps the P's had overlooked...at that point they were probably not looking too closely), but I hadn't heard about the jackolantern. I wonder if it was on the same circuit as the porch lite and was inadvertantly flipped on by someone cking on Tara Mon AM? Was it Mr. P. who reported it on when he went to ck on her the first time?

Thnx for the info.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
I had heard about the dim light HD saw (which perhaps the P's had overlooked...at that point they were probably not looking too closely), but I hadn't heard about the jackolantern. I wonder if it was on the same circuit as the porch lite and was inadvertantly flipped on by someone cking on Tara Mon AM? Was it Mr. P. who reported it on when he went to ck on her the first time?

Thnx for the info.

I am running on memory again which most of the time is not too good but somewhere in my head I think there may be an interview with Mr. P where he makes it appear that the porch light and jackolantern light was on Monday morning when he arrived. MHOO Asking for help from anyone. I hate to go searching for facts which I should do before I post but I don't and I'm too old to change. :D

[odette]

Originally posted by Its just me


I am running on memory again which most of the time is not too good but somewhere in my head I think there may be an interview with Mr. P where he makes it appear that the porch light and jackolantern light was on Monday morning when he arrived. MHOO Asking for help from anyone. I hate to go searching for facts which I should do before I post but I don't and I'm too old to change. :D

The jack-o-lantern was mentioned in this NG interview as well.

GRACE: Now, there was something about a jack o`lantern on the front porch?

GATTIS: Right. Tara`s house was decorated really cute for Halloween. The jack o`lantern was still plugged in, and it was lit up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/31/ng.01.html

[Its just me]

Originally posted by odette


The jack-o-lantern was mentioned in this NG interview as well.

GRACE: Now, there was something about a jack o`lantern on the front porch?

GATTIS: Right. Tara`s house was decorated really cute for Halloween. The jack o`lantern was still plugged in, and it was lit up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/31/ng.01.html


Below is additional information of the above transcript that aired Oct. 31,2005. AG states Tara kept a porch light on. Could be possible the porch light was on all the time but the porch light was not presented when NG interviewed FG and asked about the faint light inside of Tara's house.

GRACE: Quick break, everyone.

GRACE: You know, I just want to ask you one more thing about these keys and this pocketbook. Did she normally put her keys, like, on the table separate from her pocketbook, or would she put the keys back in her pocketbook?

GATTIS: Back in her pocketbook.

GRACE: So the fact that she had keys and pocketbook missing could mean she simply grabbed the purse and left.

GATTIS: I guess that`s so.

GRACE: And, Anita, one more thing about the home. The lights in the home, were the lights on or off? And is she an energy freak like me? Would she cut off all the lights but a night light or what?

GRACE: {{She left a porch light on.}} And the lamp by her bedside table she always turned on so that her neighbors would know that she was home. And that had not seen that lamp on since Friday night.

GRACE: So it was on Friday night?

GATTIS: It was on Friday night. It never got turned on Saturday night.

GRACE: You know, Anita, that is a very interesting fact. Listen, when she would come in, would that bed light already be on or would she go in there and cut it on?

GATTIS: She would go in there and cut it on. That was her normal habit.

GRACE: Doesn`t it sound to you, based on that fact, that someone was either in the home or followed her into the home. And when she went to the bedroom to flick the light on, the neighbors never saw that light come on?

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This also part of the same news cast. Notice AG stated there was a break up with someone 9 months before Tara disappeared. I wonder if it was MH because this does not add up to AG asking MH on day one, What did he do with her sister. But AG has not been clear on many things she has stated. May have been NG or whoever was questioning AG but interesting none the less.

GRACE: Was she dating anybody?

GATTIS: Not at this time, no, ma`am.

GRACE: She had had a breakup, though, right, of a six-year relationship? {{But that was nine months ago.}}

GATTIS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Now, has that guy gone on and found somebody else, I hope?

GATTIS: I can`t answer that. I have not been in contact with him.

GRACE: Do you know if he was questioned?

GATTIS: I believe so.

GRACE: Dusty Vassey, do you know if he was questioned?

VASSEY: I`ve not been told.

[Results]

Originally posted by Merrick


Strange how no one else, i.e., HD or Mr/s P, mentioned the jack-o-lantern and porch light. IMO, they must not have been on when HD was there or when FG called Mr/s P to check on Tara. You would think someone would say "Well, her porch light is on and her decorations." Maybe they were on a timer. JMHO.

Someone mentioned the timer earlier and I can't remember who found out but no it was not a timer IIRC. So, that is why I just say there is a Light Fairy! JMHO

[Results]

Also, the interview where Mrs P speaks she said there were no lights on Monday. So, it could be that the lights were never turned on but I don't know. :shrug:

JMHO

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by dixinites
This was such a good thread until the last 12 or so posts got it sidetracked with bickering. I am a new poster as of today, so please don't crucify me. I'd just like to see this thread back on track...I have a few questions and theories I'd like to kick around.

First about the missing earrings: I think Tara took them off in her car on her way home and put them in her missing purse. I do that all the time. Otherwise, she may not have taken them off yet before she got a call or visitor.

Snip

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.


Hi D- I come and go on this forum, but wanted to thank you for bringing up some great points.

I also take off my earrings when I'm in the car and put them in my purse, especially the chandelier type that Tara was supposed to be wearing that night.

It struck me that Tara must have been an organized person, if she laid out clothes that she would wear the next day. That really leads me to believe that since those clothes were there, someone must have either called her or come to her door.

If they were inside her home, I doubt they'd have let her get that far- most attacks happen immediately upon the victim entering the home.

[dixinites]

I'm guessing that the lights were not on when MrP. went to ck on Tara Mon AM. At that time of morning, wouldn't it still be dark inside the house? If the light switch was by the door, he probably inadvertantly flipped the switch to turn on the room lites
but turned on the porch light instead. Flipping on a light switch is something most people do without thinking. (I have flipped my light switch even during power failures...lol) If the jackolantern was on the same circuit (since it was on the same porch), then it would come on also. If he's the one that says they were on, maybe he noticed it on when he came back from going home to get his cell phone. Is he the person that initially mentioned the porch lite?

[dixinites]

TD, I think you're right about the progression of what she did when she got home. I don't think there was anyone waiting there for her either. I come to this conclusion because of her clothes being changed, clothes on hangers laid on top of them, and no signs of a struggle. She was either planning on going somewhere or was summoned to do so, IMO.

Did anyone see the pix of Tara's lamp with the shade askew with the prism or crystal next to it? It looked to me like the light was reflecting in the crystal very purposely...so I don't think it was "knocked over". I wonder if that's how it was found. It looked very deliberate to me. JMO.

[dixinites]

And TD, if in fact her "signal" light to the neighbors never came on, that makes me lean more toward the thought that she planned to go out again....Why turn it on if you are planning to leave in a few minutes anyway. My impression was that she
normally turned it on immediately (like one of the first things she did) when she came home to let the neighbors know she was in for the night. Just a thought.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by dixinites
Did anyone see the pix of Tara's lamp with the shade askew with the prism or crystal next to it? It looked to me like the light was reflecting in the crystal very purposely...so I don't think it was "knocked over". I wonder if that's how it was found. It looked very deliberate to me. JMO.

Yes, I noticed that and that's another reason I think a female is involved in Tara's disappearance. How many men would do that to a lamp?

Since the lamp was not on, it makes me think that she changed her clothes and got a phone call which urged her to go outside.

[odette]

Originally posted by dixinites
TD, I think you're right about the progression of what she did when she got home. I don't think there was anyone waiting there for her either. I come to this conclusion because of her clothes being changed, clothes on hangers laid on top of them, and no signs of a struggle. She was either planning on going somewhere or was summoned to do so, IMO.

Did anyone see the pix of Tara's lamp with the shade askew with the prism or crystal next to it? It looked to me like the light was reflecting in the crystal very purposely...so I don't think it was "knocked over". I wonder if that's how it was found. It looked very deliberate to me. JMO.

Did anyone see the pix of Tara's lamp with the shade askew with the prism or crystal next to it? It looked to me like the light was reflecting in the crystal very purposely...so I don't think it was "knocked over". I wonder if that's how it was found. It looked very deliberate to me. JMO.

Adelga.com

The Portiers found the shoes in the floor and a lamp that had been knocked over and broken in her bedroom.

http://adelga.com/article.php?story=20051102113146939

[fsbiii]

If you are talking about this pic:

http://www.carlabaron.net/Hauntings%20Journal/Ocilla/Ocilla23.jpg

It was taken for Carla Baron's dramatic television re-creation. The entire room is different, right down to items placed on the nightstand that were not there on 10-24-05, etc. Not sure why. I guess it looks more "haunting"?

Originally posted by dixinites

Did anyone see the pix of Tara's lamp with the shade askew with the prism or crystal next to it? It looked to me like the light was reflecting in the crystal very purposely...so I don't think it was "knocked over". I wonder if that's how it was found. It looked very deliberate to me. JMO.

[PNut]

Originally posted by fsbiii
If you are talking about this pic:

http://www.carlabaron.net/Hauntings%20Journal/Ocilla/Ocilla23.jpg

It was taken for Carla Baron's dramatic television re-creation. The entire room is different, right down to items placed on the nightstand that were not there on 10-24-05, etc. Not sure why. I guess it looks more "haunting"?



fsb - I didn't realize it looked so different on the show, than it was in real life. :( That's very misleading. I guess it IS all about the ratings.

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by Results


Is there really one from HD of this incident...a report I mean that he submitted on this incident? How can I see this report? I just have to see this report HD turned in. JMHO

Check your PM.

[dixinites]

Thnx, FSB, for the Baron link. I couldn't remember where I'd seen the "staged" picture...and I'm still wondering where the prism came from. I haven't seen it in any other pix. It's really not of any consequence, I guess, and was probably inserted, as you said for "haunting" effect.
And I agree with you, Merrick, regarding the "cluster" element of the initial investigation...I just hope they truly got what they needed before everything was compromised.

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by dixinites
And TD, if in fact her "signal" light to the neighbors never came on, that makes me lean more toward the thought that she planned to go out again....Why turn it on if you are planning to leave in a few minutes anyway. My impression was that she
normally turned it on immediately (like one of the first things she did) when she came home to let the neighbors know she was in for the night. Just a thought.

IIRC I thought the P's said they went to bed around 10 PM. (let me check) If Tara didn't get home until just after 11 PM maybe she did have it on for just a few minutes and then left the house again or was possibly forced to leave. If the P's got up to check later that night they might have missed it. :shrug: JMO

[One2Snoop]

Here's the NG interview with JP.....

PORTIER: Well, I went back out to the farm and worked until around 6:30 or 7:00. Come back home, Tara was gone.

GRACE: Her car was gone?

PORTIER: Her car was gone. Around 10:00, my wife looked out and said, "I guess Tara must have went somewhere after the pageant, because her light`s not on." We went to bed.

GRACE: Did you expect her light to be on in -- is it in her bedroom?

PORTIER: In her bedroom. We was a little bit concerned, but after the pageant, we just gathered she probably went somewhere else.

GRACE: Did she always have that light on at night when she came in?

PORTIER: When she come in, she would turn it on. That was kind of her signal that she had gotten home OK and she was inside.

GRACE: And she knew that you guys would notice?

PORTIER: She knew that we knew.

GRACE: Everybody, their homes, I would say, are about 30, 40 feet apart on the...

(CROSSTALK)

PORTIER: Probably not that much.

GRACE: Yes. And...

PORTIER: Fifteen feet, maybe.

GRACE: Her bedroom window looks into their windows, as well. You can look over. It`s very easy to see if a light is on. Would she leave that light on through the night?

PORTIER: No, no, no. She would not.

GRACE: She`d have it on for a while...

PORTIER: She`d have it on for a while.

GRACE: ... and then you know that she had made it in?

PORTIER: We knew she had made it in.

GRACE: And did that ever happen that night?

PORTIER: No. When we went to bed about 10:00, it had not came on. And of course, we got up the next morning, went out to the farm. I went to the grocery store to pick up some items. We was going to cook lunch.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Merrick
Unfortunately, dixie, I think the scene was compromised long before any sort of "official" investigation began. I also think the scene was staged for dramatic purposes further compromising any original impressions. It's a real tragedy, IMO.

Interesting. Can you elaborate more on how the scene was staged for dramatic purposes? This intrigues me.

I believe that if LE had treated this home as a crime scene from the time they were called- Tara would have been found.

[One2Snoop]

I agree with your assessment Merrick - Here is the before pic and its probably not even original at that because it shows the clock on her night stand - which was found under the bed.

You can only see the base of the lamp in this pic - I know there's another one out there of the nightstand - before staging....

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:1,00.html

fsbiii's link showing the staged photo.....

http://www.carlabaron.net/Hauntings%20Journal/Ocilla/Ocilla23.jpg

and here's another photo I had that shows just the top part of the lamp.....

http://i10.tinypic.com/30mpqpl.jpg

[dixinites]

Ty again, O2S, for the pic links, both here and on PM. I know it's been said over, and over again about the compromising of the evidence in the initial investigation. I don't know alot about LE,
but I can't imagine why the clothes she was last seen wearing wouldn't be bagged as potential evidence for possible future testing. I know that at that point (and this point, for that matter), it was considered "just" a missing persons case, but a large percentage of missing persons cases BECOME homocide cases and I for one would think her clothes would be relevent. It is evident (and excrutiatingly frustrating) from this sequence of photos, how her clothes are being "posed" and tossed about like at some yard sale...grrrrr.

[Results]

I wished we had more information on HD. He has IMO more motive and absolutely more opportunity. I just don't know why more people do not think that it is weird that this guy is all over her house that weekend yet omg HD could not have harmed Tara. I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger. Yeah right. Then you have local Hawkinville citizens that said TG and HD were not long childhood friends which would be the 2nd msinformation that he gave and I tend to believe the citizens because as another poster pointed out HD would have been 10 and TG would have been 5 which leads me to believe that 10 year old boys don't want to play with 5 year old girls but hey I could be wrong. Then we are suppose to believe that HD was Tara's and they try to convince us that FG told HD to go...well if that is true then why call the P's to see if her car was there..HD was there he knew the car was there and then my favorite he called FG to see if Tara was with her now as a smart Captain of a PD how in the world did he think that Tara got over there...she walked, she flew, come on now that is stretching it to say the least. Now, wait we are done yet then we are expected to believe that HD went to Tara's house several times that weekend but the perp just kept missing him oh that was just some lucky perp to keep missing HD while he was there. I could go on and on but what is the point HD couldn't have harmed Tara that is the most unthinkable and cruel thing for us to say. So, what is there else to say about him a smart Captain drives away with no answers KNOWING ACCORDING TO HIM THAT TARA WAS IN DANGER. I'm not buying any of it. JMHO as always

[Results]

Originally posted by Merrick


Only the Shadow Knows! I agree with you 100% I want to know why HD is so off limits. I think both he and his wife need to be looked at more carefully. OMG, I hope that doesn't bring the high strung among us. out with their long winded and cryptic posts. :D Just kidding. JMHO.

:lol:

:beer:

[dixinites]

Somehow my tired brain seems to remember that HD stated that he was concerned for Tara's "emotional state" (news article maybe?). Please clear me up on this, if you will. I don't remember the "physical danger" angle being mentioned until I read it in posts (after reading zillions of flowery and argumentative posts). But if he DID state that she was in "danger", could it have been from his..."OMG, she KNOWS"...wife?

And thnx R, for pointing out the fact that he was at Tara's house, looking at her car and asking her mother if she was over at her house. I hadn't picked up on that! Brainstorming. It takes a village.

Someone also brought up the possibility that the 20+ unanswered calls made to Tara's phone might negate the ability of "call trace" to track any calls made prior to them. Don't know about this, (should be easy for someone to find out). If that is indeed the case, I'm guessing someone in LE would have had that knowledge. Don't you think?

[odette]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
I agree with your assessment Merrick - Here is the before pic and its probably not even original at that because it shows the clock on her night stand - which was found under the bed.

You can only see the base of the lamp in this pic - I know there's another one out there of the nightstand - before staging....

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:1,00.html

fsbiii's link showing the staged photo.....

http://www.carlabaron.net/Hauntings%20Journal/Ocilla/Ocilla23.jpg

and here's another photo I had that shows just the top part of the lamp.....

http://i10.tinypic.com/30mpqpl.jpg

I know there's another one out there of the nightstand - before staging....

Here are two more photo's of Tara's lamp, taken by the FoxNews crew when they visited Ocilla with GVS. IIRC, the photos taken during that visit were originally posted on Wednesday 9th of November on Foxnews.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,700,00.html#4_0

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,700,00.html#5_0

[One2Snoop]

Oh bless you - thank you odette. :rose:

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by kundalini
My mind can only focus on one perp at a time so I will do MH since there is more info on him to look at.

My theory is that Tara went home around 11 and got ready for bed.
She probably turned on her light.
She removed her necklace and earrings.
She got ready for bed.
Either someone called her and interupted her getting ready for bed or physically came to her home.
Quickly she threw clothes out of the closet looking for something to put on and grabbed the earrings not the necklace as she does not wear a necklace when her neckline does not show (based on pictures on the net).
Working with the call theory Tara grabbed her purse and keys and went off to meet him.
When she arrived something went wrong and she was hurt.
Using her car (seat moved) he takes her to a safe place - the empty house.
Needing something from the PD - easy access to gloves or whatever elose would help erase his prints, suspicion he contacts his buddy.
He meets up with his friend and gets the items he needs either from his police car or at the station when no one is looking.
IMO this is where the glove comes from. He knows better than to go buy one or risk getting caught.
In the wee morning hours he returns to Tara's probably between 5 and 6 or 7. Whilke it is still dark. Dolly barks.
He cleans up his prints off the car. Also off the door or inside the house if the theory is that he actually physically came over.
On Sunday Tara is still at the empty house - either inside or in the pond.
Needing a reason to spread his foot prints and scent in the deep woods/swamp areas, he contacts his DNR buddy and rides with him. He also looks for off the beaten path places.
If anyone was to find her body once it is moved and match up ANYTHING to him he would have the alibi of being out there with his buddy while his buddy was working. Legit reason for finding footprints in the clay or clay on his boots that might match the location of Tara.
I believe he then moved her body to a new location possibly someplace he scouted out with this DNR buddy and that is why the dogs hit on the pond. He used his friend's truck and also had to torch it. Had to torch the house to make it NOT look suspicious - just burning the truck that is.
He has now relocated Tara's body to a remote location probably water knowing that just burying her body or leaving it in the woods would allow hunters to find it during hunting season when everything was dry.

He used his two friends - not just for an alibi but because he needed something from them. He needed physical materials from the PD or the Police car and needed to cover his tracks (if ever found) by going out with the DNR.

He used his buddies and they should be aware of this and think it through and do the right thing.

Great thinking. My theory is just about the same. I think Tara talked to ME, excused herself from her friends, went home, hastily changed clothes and went to check on MH. I think she was angry, maybe out of control and something bad happened.

[odette]

Originally posted by dixinites
Somehow my tired brain seems to remember that HD stated that he was concerned for Tara's "emotional state" (news article maybe?). Please clear me up on this, if you will. I don't remember the "physical danger" angle being mentioned until I read it in posts (after reading zillions of flowery and argumentative posts). But if he DID state that she was in "danger", could it have been from his..."OMG, she KNOWS"...wife?

And thnx R, for pointing out the fact that he was at Tara's house, looking at her car and asking her mother if she was over at her house. I hadn't picked up on that! Brainstorming. It takes a village.

Someone also brought up the possibility that the 20+ unanswered calls made to Tara's phone might negate the ability of "call trace" to track any calls made prior to them. Don't know about this, (should be easy for someone to find out). If that is indeed the case, I'm guessing someone in LE would have had that knowledge. Don't you think?



Somehow my tired brain seems to remember that HD stated that he was concerned for Tara's "emotional state" (news article maybe?). Please clear me up on this, if you will. I don't remember the "physical danger" angle being mentioned until I read it in posts (after reading zillions of flowery and argumentative posts). But if he DID state that she was in "danger", could it have been from his..."OMG, she KNOWS"...wife?

The Tara 'in danger' talk, IMO, all started with 'What If's" and they erroneously turned into 'fact'.

IIRC, there were posts 'back in the day' where it was alluded to, that this 'Tara was in danger' talk, came from HD originally. Fact or fiction, I do not know.

This post below sums it all up very nicely, IMO.

IMO

fsbiii
Member

10-27-2006 08:13 PM The Men in this Case: Discusssion

And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

http://board2.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=8701463#post8701463

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
I wished we had more information on HD. He has IMO more motive and absolutely more opportunity. I just don't know why more people do not think that it is weird that this guy is all over her house that weekend yet omg HD could not have harmed Tara. I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger. Yeah right. Then you have local Hawkinville citizens that said TG and HD were not long childhood friends which would be the 2nd msinformation that he gave and I tend to believe the citizens because as another poster pointed out HD would have been 10 and TG would have been 5 which leads me to believe that 10 year old boys don't want to play with 5 year old girls but hey I could be wrong. Then we are suppose to believe that HD was Tara's and they try to convince us that FG told HD to go...well if that is true then why call the P's to see if her car was there..HD was there he knew the car was there and then my favorite he called FG to see if Tara was with her now as a smart Captain of a PD how in the world did he think that Tara got over there...she walked, she flew, come on now that is stretching it to say the least. Now, wait we are done yet then we are expected to believe that HD went to Tara's house several times that weekend but the perp just kept missing him oh that was just some lucky perp to keep missing HD while he was there. I could go on and on but what is the point HD couldn't have harmed Tara that is the most unthinkable and cruel thing for us to say. So, what is there else to say about him a smart Captain drives away with no answers KNOWING ACCORDING TO HIM THAT TARA WAS IN DANGER. I'm not buying any of it. JMHO as always

I wished we had more information on HD. He has IMO more motive and absolutely more opportunity. I just don't know why more people do not think that it is weird that this guy is all over her house that weekend yet omg HD could not have harmed Tara. I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger. Yeah right.

Results, I totally agree with you and I most certainly think that "it is weird" that this guy, HD, is at Tara's house/yard the weekend that she 'just happened to disappear' and has not been seen nor heard of since. Protecting Tara from danger, I don't think so. He allegedly just drove off into the night when he couldn't get Tara to answer the door. It was after midnight, her car was there in her carport and he just drives away. :shrug: JMOO

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
I wished we had more information on HD. He has IMO more motive and absolutely more opportunity. I just don't know why more people do not think that it is weird that this guy is all over her house that weekend yet omg HD could not have harmed Tara. I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger. Yeah right. Then you have local Hawkinville citizens that said TG and HD were not long childhood friends which would be the 2nd msinformation that he gave and I tend to believe the citizens because as another poster pointed out HD would have been 10 and TG would have been 5 which leads me to believe that 10 year old boys don't want to play with 5 year old girls but hey I could be wrong. Then we are suppose to believe that HD was Tara's and they try to convince us that FG told HD to go...well if that is true then why call the P's to see if her car was there..HD was there he knew the car was there and then my favorite he called FG to see if Tara was with her now as a smart Captain of a PD how in the world did he think that Tara got over there...she walked, she flew, come on now that is stretching it to say the least. Now, wait we are done yet then we are expected to believe that HD went to Tara's house several times that weekend but the perp just kept missing him oh that was just some lucky perp to keep missing HD while he was there. I could go on and on but what is the point HD couldn't have harmed Tara that is the most unthinkable and cruel thing for us to say. So, what is there else to say about him a smart Captain drives away with no answers KNOWING ACCORDING TO HIM THAT TARA WAS IN DANGER. I'm not buying any of it. JMHO as always

I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger.

Results, I too would like to know more about this particular day which HD, allegedly, "went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks". I wonder if Tara confided in anyone else, as to the reason she left school early on that particular day. I'm thinking that it must have been something 'really important', for HD to travel all the way from Perry to Ocilla on that day.

JMOO

[Results]

Originally posted by odette




Results, I too would like to know more about this particular day which HD, allegedly, "went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks". I wonder if Tara confided in anyone else, as to the reason she left school early on that particular day. I'm thinking that it must have been something 'really important', for HD to travel all the way from Perry to Ocilla on that day.

JMOO

It sure would be interesting to know what was that important. Maybe someone can help us out about what Tara told them. JMHO

[fsbiii]

I still say the pregnancy issue could've been looming large, no matter what "evidence" was in the trash can. Think of the ramifications and drama that would be associated with her being pregnant... by whom? how long? what to do? etc?

[Atok]

I almost posted that myself Fsbiii but I chickened out.

IMO I think she would call him if she thought she might be pregnant.

She might have really thought so, or it might have been a manipulative ruse, either way I think she'd call him.

Furthermore I think she'd tell MH 'I don't want you to hate me for this.." just as he said.

I think it fits the emotional breakdowns and the moodiness and lots of triggers, despite what others say that it's far too scandelous to even consider.

I think it makes logical sense that if she was pregnant or even if HD thought she was maybe they had an argument that got out of hand. Tragedy can happen. Again we don't have fatcs to prove this, it's just theory.

I think it's incredibly human and far more logical to happen than some of the scenarios that have been floated.

Of course the above is MOO.

[fsbiii]

Pregnancy covers a ton of motive, but it doesn't narrow down the POI list one bit. It can also incorporate a wife or girlfriend, and it certainly would've pushed the emotional overload into high gear, without question. I've always said there's no way we know if she was or wasn't; that garbage can information doesn't prove anything to me. Only Tara would know, and anyone she may have told (if it was true).

Just running the pregnancy theory over the POIs (HD, MH, LG, AV or other student, a married guy off the radar, etc.)... creates all kinds of speculation and what-ifs IMO. I just wish something was out there to advance a theory to its next factual plateau.

All my opinion, nothing factual about the pregnancy theory that I know of.

ETA: It also pushes the "runaway" theory into high gear, too, IMO. Can you imagine the way Tara would've felt if she was pregnant, didn't know the father, etc., with her personality and characteristics, etc.?

Originally posted by Atok
I almost posted that myself Fsbiii but I chickened out.

IMO I think she would call him if she thought she might be pregnant.

She might have really thought so, or it might have been a manipulative ruse, either way I think she'd call him.

Furthermore I think she'd tell MH 'I don't want you to hate me for this.." just as he said.

I think it fits the emotional breakdowns and the moodiness and lots of triggers, despite what others say that it's far too scandelous to even consider.

I think it makes logical sense that if she was pregnant or even if HD thought she was maybe they had an argument that got out of hand. Tragedy can happen. Again we don't have fatcs to prove this, it's just theory.

I think it's incredibly human and far more logical to happen than some of the scenarios that have been floated.

Of course the above is MOO.

[Atok]

Yes, what's kept me from bringing it up is that we can't get further than that, because it opens way too much up to speculation.

I like info that narrows things down and this theory does anything BUT narrow it down. Since it's still a theory and isn't a whacky one, it should be considered among the others.

We will probably never know, but I'd like to think we could at least find her.

[Results]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Pregnancy covers a ton of motive, but it doesn't narrow down the POI list one bit. It can also incorporate a wife or girlfriend, and it certainly would've pushed the emotional overload into high gear, without question. I've always said there's no way we know if she was or wasn't; that garbage can information doesn't prove anything to me. Only Tara would know, and anyone she may have told (if it was true).

Just running the pregnancy theory over the POIs (HD, MH, LG, AV or other student, a married guy off the radar, etc.)... creates all kinds of speculation and what-ifs IMO. I just wish something was out there to advance a theory to its next factual plateau.

All my opinion, nothing factual about the pregnancy theory that I know of.

ETA: It also pushes the "runaway" theory into high gear, too, IMO. Can you imagine the way Tara would've felt if she was pregnant, didn't know the father, etc., with her personality and characteristics, etc.?



Fsbiii, I don't know what it is about your post but some how it made me feel sad. I thought of 2 things from your post. The 1st thing I thought about was it is not a crime to have as many sexual relationships as you want to but be prepared to have a bad reputation and if you sleep with married men then be prepared to face the piper because some women don't play around when it comes to their boyfriends or husbands. The 2nd thing I thought of was I could not imagine not knowing who the father of my children were. I can't even imagine what that must feel like. From the things I have heard and read Tara wasn't just a teacher to her students but a teacher that went way beyond her duty to help them. It was said that she was a stong Christian woman that went to church faithfully. IF she was pregnant would she lose her status? IF she was pregnant by a married man would it have mattered? It seemed like she wanted to be so perfect and yet some how along the way she got lost. IF she wasn't pregnant she still had a burden that she was carrying. What was she searching for in all these men? What was she trying to find? What was the turning point where Tara lost herself in this madness? JMHO

[fsbiii]

I know what you mean, Results. It is a bad thought, and a sad thought at the same time. I got a PM from someone saying it "wouldn't be a crime" for Tara to have a baby out of wedlock or by a married man. That wasn't my point at all. IMO, Tara couldn't handle something like that, some other girls might have been able to. People do it all the time. Everything points to Tara's self-image being perfect and her wanting people to think that, no matter what. If she was pregnant under any scenario, I think that image would've been shattered in her mind-and she may have taken drastic measures.

Or some man or woman may have had more to lose than Tara and took drastic measures themselves.

Just a theory.

Originally posted by Results


Fsbiii, I don't know what it is about your post but some how it made me feel sad. I thought of 2 things from your post. The 1st thing I thought about was it is not a crime to have as many sexual relationships as you want to but be prepared to have a bad reputation and if you sleep with married men then be prepared to face the piper because some women don't play around when it comes to their boyfriends or husbands. The 2nd thing I thought of was I could not imagine not knowing who the father of my children were. I can't even imagine what that must feel like. From the things I have heard and read Tara wasn't just a teacher to her students but a teacher that went way beyond her duty to help them. It was said that she was a stong Christian woman that went to church faithfully. IF she was pregnant would she lose her status? IF she was pregnant by a married man would it have mattered? It seemed like she wanted to be so perfect and yet some how along the way she got lost. IF she wasn't pregnant she still had a burden that she was carrying. What was she searching for in all these men? What was she trying to find? What was the turning point where Tara lost herself in this madness? JMHO

[grandline]

The "possible pregnancy" theory is one reason I can't rule out a female perp, if a perp exists in this case.

Imagine Tara is pregnant or tells someone she may be pregnant . The baby's father may be upset but imagine how FURIOUS his wife/girlfriend would be if she happened upon this knowledge.

I've never fully understood this phenomenon, but for some reason many women tend to "overlook" the wrongdoing on behalf of the male and target their anger directly at the "other woman".

I can see a female POI doing something in a fit of rage to harm Tara. :(

Prayers for Tara!:patriot:

[dixinites]

"I can see a female POI doing something in a fit of rage to harm Tara."

Ditto...Pregnancy or no pregnancy. You ain't woman enough to take my man...

[dixinites]

Thnx FSB, for pointing out the LG interview that stated that Tara was in "danger". I still thought I had read a news article that said HD was concerned for Tara's "emotional state". I could be wrong...so much to sift thru. Your organizational skilz are amazing!

Also, I thought I read that the police officer who came to Tara's school was not HD. Was that just another post? I was wondering, if it wasn't him (and I'm still thinking it was), could that have been in connection with the "threatening calls" Tara was supposedly receiving from a student? I think, at first reading, I assumed it to be a male student (infatuation), but after some thought, I realized it could just as well have been a female student warning her (not in so many words, because Tara could most likely figure out who it was) to back off regarding MH and the "younger woman" he was supposedly seeing? Just a thought.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
I agree with your assessment Merrick - Here is the before pic and its probably not even original at that because it shows the clock on her night stand - which was found under the bed.

You can only see the base of the lamp in this pic - I know there's another one out there of the nightstand - before staging....

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:1,00.html

fsbiii's link showing the staged photo.....

http://www.carlabaron.net/Hauntings%20Journal/Ocilla/Ocilla23.jpg

and here's another photo I had that shows just the top part of the lamp.....

http://i10.tinypic.com/30mpqpl.jpg

Small wonder this case hasn't been solved- what the heck with the staging? I don't follow this case closely enough to tell what photos have been set up and what are actually the photos taken from the time that Tara went missing.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I still say the pregnancy issue could've been looming large, no matter what "evidence" was in the trash can. Think of the ramifications and drama that would be associated with her being pregnant... by whom? how long? what to do? etc?

The most common cause of death for pregnant women in America is homicide. :rose: I've wondered if this was the case with Tara.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Small wonder this case hasn't been solved- what the heck with the staging? I don't follow this case closely enough to tell what photos have been set up and what are actually the photos taken from the time that Tara went missing.

TD, every photo I have seen has been recreated to fit what was supposed to have been there when Tara went missing. The only people who would have true photos are the police taken at the time of their arrival. What happened prior to their arrival is anyone's guess. But, after their processing is what keeps cropping up and it changes....shoes, lamp, odds and ends etc.

The only benefit to seeing the pics is in the eyes of the beholder as nothing is as it seems, JMO.

[lowerAla]

Originally posted by dixinites
Thnx FSB, for pointing out the LG interview that stated that Tara was in "danger". I still thought I had read a news article that said HD was concerned for Tara's "emotional state". I could be wrong...so much to sift thru. Your organizational skilz are amazing!

Also, I thought I read that the police officer who came to Tara's school was not HD. Was that just another post? I was wondering, if it wasn't him (and I'm still thinking it was), could that have been in connection with the "threatening calls" Tara was supposedly receiving from a student? I think, at first reading, I assumed it to be a male student (infatuation), but after some thought, I realized it could just as well have been a female student warning her (not in so many words, because Tara could most likely figure out who it was) to back off regarding MH and the "younger woman" he was supposedly seeing? Just a thought.

Or maybe a female student and a male coach.

[Results]

Originally posted by lowerAla


Or maybe a female student and a male coach.

Do you have someone in mind or are you just saying it could be a female student or male coach? TIA

[Results]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Small wonder this case hasn't been solved- what the heck with the staging? I don't follow this case closely enough to tell what photos have been set up and what are actually the photos taken from the time that Tara went missing.

There are so many problems with this case that I wonder if we will ever know the truth. JMHO

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I still say the pregnancy issue could've been looming large, no matter what "evidence" was in the trash can. Think of the ramifications and drama that would be associated with her being pregnant... by whom? how long? what to do? etc?

I Agree with you.

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
Thnx FSB, for pointing out the LG interview that stated that Tara was in "danger". I still thought I had read a news article that said HD was concerned for Tara's "emotional state". I could be wrong...so much to sift thru. Your organizational skilz are amazing!

Also, I thought I read that the police officer who came to Tara's school was not HD. Was that just another post? I was wondering, if it wasn't him (and I'm still thinking it was), could that have been in connection with the "threatening calls" Tara was supposedly receiving from a student? I think, at first reading, I assumed it to be a male student (infatuation), but after some thought, I realized it could just as well have been a female student warning her (not in so many words, because Tara could most likely figure out who it was) to back off regarding MH and the "younger woman" he was supposedly seeing? Just a thought. .

HD to my knowledge has never said that he was concerned for Tara's emotional state. JMHO

[fsbiii]

Possibly Implying: Tara knew about a relationship between a female student and a male coach and trouble arose?

Please explain what you meant!

Originally posted by lowerAla


Or maybe a female student and a male coach.

[Results]

After what you just posted fsbiii..I sure want to know what they meant now. Wonder why people put something on the board and then in a flash they are gone? That is so frustrating. JMHO

[Aussie]

Maybe LowerAla meant someone who was jealous of Tara dating RR.

[Results]

Originally posted by Aussie
Maybe LowerAla meant someone who was jealous of Tara dating RR.

I thought AG said Tara wasn't dating anyone at the moment?

[Aussie]

It has been said that Tara and RR dated a few times after she broke up with MH. I thought that we were talking about the time that Tara had received threats at school and someone said it may have been a female.

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
I wished we had more information on HD. He has IMO more motive and absolutely more opportunity. I just don't know why more people do not think that it is weird that this guy is all over her house that weekend yet omg HD could not have harmed Tara. I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger. Yeah right. Then you have local Hawkinville citizens that said TG and HD were not long childhood friends which would be the 2nd msinformation that he gave and I tend to believe the citizens because as another poster pointed out HD would have been 10 and TG would have been 5 which leads me to believe that 10 year old boys don't want to play with 5 year old girls but hey I could be wrong. Then we are suppose to believe that HD was Tara's and they try to convince us that FG told HD to go...well if that is true then why call the P's to see if her car was there..HD was there he knew the car was there and then my favorite he called FG to see if Tara was with her now as a smart Captain of a PD how in the world did he think that Tara got over there...she walked, she flew, come on now that is stretching it to say the least. Now, wait we are done yet then we are expected to believe that HD went to Tara's house several times that weekend but the perp just kept missing him oh that was just some lucky perp to keep missing HD while he was there. I could go on and on but what is the point HD couldn't have harmed Tara that is the most unthinkable and cruel thing for us to say. So, what is there else to say about him a smart Captain drives away with no answers KNOWING ACCORDING TO HIM THAT TARA WAS IN DANGER. I'm not buying any of it. JMHO as always

I want to know why he went to the school on the 18th of Oct and picked her up because she was upset but in his interview he said he had not seen her in weeks AND we are to believe that he was protecting her from Danger.

I would like to know the real reason that HD had to come to Ocilla that day as well. I wonder if this visit by HD was pre-arranged between Tara and HD and did Tara inform her superiors at the school beforehand that she was going to be taking some time off work that day or was Tara "upset" that day for a 'particular reason' and was it 'then' that HD 'came to her rescue'?. Where did they go that day after he came to the school ... to Tara's house or somewhere else?.

Something isn't 'sitting right' with me about that visit by HD. I believe that it had to be something pretty important, for HD to travel to Ocilla that day to meet with Tara. Surely he didn't travel all the way from Perry just because Tara was 'upset'?. I wonder if HD was on duty that day and if so, is it 'OK' to travel to another County because a 'friend' is upset?.

JMOO

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Merrick
I recall reading an interview, article or post about a male student making calls to Tara and that he was reassigned to another class. I don't know why, but I had the impression it had more to do with grades than infatuation. Stand to be corrected. JMO.

I remember it as being about grades too.

[One2Snoop]

Bump :rose:

[Maybaby59]

I haven't followed this case all that closely but I guess what bothers me here is motive. Why would anybody who dated or had a fling with Tara want to kill her? I mean, I know people are killed for alot of very stupid reasons...but this is a small town, everybody knows what every body else is doing, and who they are doing it with. She wasn't married or divorced from anyone, no kids involved. I just find it hard to believe that anyone she knew would get rid of her over a relationship gone bad, or whatever you want to call it. None of them would have a rape motive, seems to me. Why would any of these guys risk going to prison just to get rid of Tara ....is just doesn't make sense to me.


I'm still open to the idea of a stalker or somebody on the fringe who saw her at these beauty pageants.

Bumping this oldie...I agree...I can't see a motive for any of the main POI's in this case...except HD...I think it was fairly well known in Ocilla (from what I've read) that he and Tara were having an affair...Maybe he was afraid that this bit of info was about to find its' way to Perry...specifically to Mrs. HD...and he just couldn't let that happen...Maybe he paid a late night/early morning visit to Tara on Oct 22nd/23rd...and she grabbed her purse and locked her home and left with him...Then something went terribly wrong...Sure would be nice if we knew what he was doing that Saturday night/Sunday morning...

Besides HD, I'm also open to the idea of somebody that Tara had recently met...After all, MH had told her that maybe she should start "shopping" outside of Ocilla...and maybe she'd done just that...

JMHO

[Maybaby59]

This was such a good thread until the last 12 or so posts got it sidetracked with bickering. I am a new poster as of today, so please don't crucify me. I'd just like to see this thread back on track...I have a few questions and theories I'd like to kick around.

First about the missing earrings: I think Tara took them off in her car on her way home and put them in her missing purse. I do that all the time. Otherwise, she may not have taken them off yet before she got a call or visitor.

BTW, has anyone mentioned the pageant video she was going to watch? Regarding a timeline, it would seem relevent as to where this video was found. Was it in the video player, or laid somewhere so she could get back to it later?

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.

Another question is about the phone call she received from her friend while at the BBQ about 10:30. Did she seem to be in a hurry to leave after the call? Did she stay to watch the end of the game? Just wondering why her "friend" would pass on this info and whether or not Tara thought she could run into Marcus at the bar.

I also read that she recieved a call later than the 10:30 call.
Where did that information come from and supposedly, who was the call from.

If someone could respond to any of these questions, please do.

I wonder if Tara took her earrings off either before she arrived or while she was at the Davis's home? Seems like she did a lot of talking on the phone while she was there and her earrings might have become bothersome. I'd guess the missing earrings were in her purse. And was it ever established that the missing purse was the same one she'd taken to the pageant and to the Davis's home?

JMHO

[Maybaby59]

There is also a light fairy in this case. The P's came home after dark Sunday and Tara's car was there but no lights were on. HD was at Tara's at 12:15 AM Monday and he saw a dim light on in the house but the P's did not. Then on Monday morning there was a jack-o-lantern on the porch that was lit and the porch light was on too. So, no one knows who turned the lights on or off. JMHO

Was this mystery ever solved/answered?

JMHO

[minga]

Was this mystery ever solved/answered?

JMHO

Not to my knowledge. It's been speculated that possibly HD might have been inside searching her computer, but it's also been speculated that something, possibly the cat might have touched the mouse which would reactivate the screen. Nobody knows.

And for the pumpkin and the porch light that's still a mystery. Maybe AG in her sisterly fashion left it on and lit the pumpkin? We've been unsure of so many things that people who know haven't corrected.

[Maybaby59]

Not to my knowledge. It's been speculated that possibly HD might have been inside searching her computer, but it's also been speculated that something, possibly the cat might have touched the mouse which would reactivate the screen. Nobody knows.

And for the pumpkin and the porch light that's still a mystery. Maybe AG in her sisterly fashion left it on and lit the pumpkin? We've been unsure of so many things that people who know haven't corrected.

The more I read, the more confused I become. :seeya:

[Its just me]

Bumping this oldie...I agree...I can't see a motive for any of the main POI's in this case...except HD...I think it was fairly well known in Ocilla (from what I've read) that he and Tara were having an affair...Maybe he was afraid that this bit of info was about to find its' way to Perry...specifically to Mrs. HD...and he just couldn't let that happen...Maybe he paid a late night/early morning visit to Tara on Oct 22nd/23rd...and she grabbed her purse and locked her home and left with him...Then something went terribly wrong...Sure would be nice if we knew what he was doing that Saturday night/Sunday morning...

Besides HD, I'm also open to the idea of somebody that Tara had recently met...After all, MH had told her that maybe she should start "shopping" outside of Ocilla...and maybe she'd done just that...

JMHO

Maybaby I try to have an open mind that anything is possible because in all reality it is because we don't know what happened. But I think the ones of us the has HD as the most likely POI is not off base. I think we could take what we have dug up in this case and present it to any LE who knows absolutely nothing about this case and they will agree.
I believe Tara had reached an all time peak with her love life and if a total stranger harmed Tara they picked a perfect time to cast suspicion on the ones personally involved in Tara's life. IMHOO this is possible but not probable.
There is unconfirmed information that Tara was also seeing someone else. It was told when Tara disappeared and I've just heard about it...It was reported to LE. This information came from LE in a different county than Irwin where Tara lived and until proven it's not true I believe it is. The problem is there is no information "yet" if there were any problems between this guy and Tara. And as Forest said, And that's all I have the say about that.
I'm not sure if the information about the rude phone call was ever posted at CL or not...LOL I can't keep up. Before Tara got dressed to go to the pageant Sat. afternoon she had a girl IIRC in the pageant at her house...and Tara asked her answer her phone if she got a call while taking a shower/bath. There was a call and the girl answered and said the caller was rude...My information is the girl stated she thought the caller was "The police officer from Perry". When Tara was told there was a phone call, Tara asked if he was rude and Tara apologized to the girl. Since we know of no other police officer Tara was involved with from Perry I think the caller was HD and in my mind it's a strong indication that things were not hunky dorie between Tara and HD.
Just trying to add things to get CL moving again. fep

[Maybaby59]

Maybaby I try to have an open mind that anything is possible because in all reality it is because we don't know what happened. But I think the ones of us the has HD as the most likely POI is not off base. I think we could take what we have dug up in this case and present it to any LE who knows absolutely nothing about this case and they will agree.
I believe Tara had reached an all time peak with her love life and if a total stranger harmed Tara they picked a perfect time to cast suspicion on the ones personally involved in Tara's life. IMHOO this is possible but not probable.
There is unconfirmed information that Tara was also seeing someone else. It was told when Tara disappeared and I've just heard about it...It was reported to LE. This information came from LE in a different county than Irwin where Tara lived and until proven it's not true I believe it is. The problem is there is no information "yet" if there were any problems between this guy and Tara. And as Forest said, And that's all I have the say about that.
I'm not sure if the information about the rude phone call was ever posted at CL or not...LOL I can't keep up. Before Tara got dressed to go to the pageant Sat. afternoon she had a girl IIRC in the pageant at her house...and Tara asked her answer her phone if she got a call while taking a shower/bath. There was a call and the girl answered and said the caller was rude...My information is the girl stated she thought the caller was "The police officer from Perry". When Tara was told there was a phone call, Tara asked if he was rude and Tara apologized to the girl. Since we know of no other police officer Tara was involved with from Perry I think the caller was HD and in my mind it's a strong indication that things were not hunky dorie between Tara and HD.
Just trying to add things to get CL moving again. fep

Fep, sometimes I'm slow when it comes to catching onto something, but that simple statement you made that I bolded above makes perfect sense. And what are the odds of somebody picking that weekend at random? Astronomical, I would think...and I agree, it's possible, but not probable. :)

[The R]

I would like to know the real reason that HD had to come to Ocilla that day as well. I wonder if this visit by HD was pre-arranged between Tara and HD and did Tara inform her superiors at the school beforehand that she was going to be taking some time off work that day or was Tara "upset" that day for a 'particular reason' and was it 'then' that HD 'came to her rescue'?. Where did they go that day after he came to the school ... t