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[fsbiii]

WWW.FINDTARA.COM

Dr. Godwin says:

"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

[janis]

My God!! That's all my heart will let me say for now. Gotta swallow hard and think on this one.

[janis]

Okey Dokey....somebody correct me if I am wrong.....I thought Tara's mom called the Portier's around 10:00 pm and asking them to check on Tara. I don't remember it being at 12:15 a.m.?????

[leeleeladybug]

Let me get this straight, the perpetrator returned to Taras home sometime after 12:15am Monday but HD was sitting in front of her home at 12:15 am and phone her mom? I take it her car wasnt there then and it wasnt there at all Sunday? Someone please enlighten me.

[NancynNC]

This is from transcripts of Nancy Graces' interview with Faye...


snip'

GRACE: When did you start becoming suspicious?

GRINSTEAD: Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first, but she never called me back. I left her a message and she didn`t call me back because I`d call both phones. But I really didn`t start to get worried until later on in the late afternoon. And when she had not called me back, I began to get concerned then.

GRACE: Did you call the neighbors?

GRINSTEAD: I did not call the neighbors until very late Saturday night, Sunday night...

GRACE: So you did call Sunday night?

GRINSTEAD: Sunday night.

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

GRACE: What did they say?

GRINSTEAD: They didn`t seem to think anything looked unusual, that the car was there. They had been gone all day and didn`t get back until late, but they said the car was there. Nothing looked unusual.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
WWW.FINDTARA.COM

Dr. Godwin says:

"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

It seems to me that he has pointed his finger right at HD. "The perpetrator" returned. When did the word get corrected to "perpetrator"?

[janis]

I was looking for that. Just couldn't remember if it was NG or Greta interview that had the info. I stand corrected......God I hope this will turn up something.

[4ANGELS]

Thats how I read it too. I think The perp came after HD left.
Good Job Dr.:beer:

[janis]

OK. HD is sitting in front of house.....Car is home.....Assuming HD can't get Tara to answer phone, so calls her mom....Mom calls neighbor....Neighbor says everything looks fine.....Did neighbor see HD's vehicle? Was Tara already gone? This is so confusing folks. Somebody help me think here.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by popcorn
The perpetrator returned and HD have nothing to do with each other. I read it as the prepetrator returned after HD left.



Maybe I read it wrong, but you do call this perfect timing or what?
The Dr. says the glove was left after 12:15, is this because HD said it was not there when he was there? He must have knocked and walked around, to say this. I cannot see him so worried as to leave 20 calls and drive down to check and not do something when he gets there. Just calls her Mother. He is a LE guy. why not get some help. He knew her troubles lately. Makes no sense.
Why not call the Ocilla police out and try to find Tara that very night or early am?

[janis]

I have to wonder what the conversation was between Faye and HD. Guess they both took the word of the neighbor, that all was ok. Do we know if Faye called HD back? Still a lot we don't know.

[Atok]

Board pls help me with clarifications:

Monday morning

12:15 am

At this point the school has already noticed an absent teacher. Who do they call if she is absent?

HD does not get a hold of Tara on the weekend. On Monday he drives to her house.

He comes to her house and he can't get her to answer the door or phone, but her car is there.

He doesn't notice any latex glove in the yard at this time. He calls Tara's mom while at the house and asks if she has seen her.

Where did HD go after he called Faye?

By the time Faye calls the neighbors HD has left?

The neighbors look out the window, see nothing wrong, the car is there and stuff is normal looking so they don't go to the house to check.

THIS IS ON A SCHOOL DAY? It's not normal for her car to be home on a school day is it?

When does JP head over to the house and find the glove?

[Atok]

Ok, Ok, then it works out in my head and it fits with the other details better... lots to keep track of!

Shakes off the cobwebs and keeps on clicking the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle faster and faster into the already framed timeline. I'm pretty comfortable with the facts all the way up to but not yet including...Tara's current location.

If "I" can make this click and I don't have the edge the real LE's have, then they can do the same puzzle even faster and probably have.

I feel what we have now is the need to have a winnable and prosecutable case. While it is not impossible to convict without Tara being found, it would make it easier to have those forensics.

These icons are for a few people who are not likely reading these boards, but might be and they know who they are.

:no: :flamemad: :no: YOU ARE GOING DOWN.

[Babes]

Originally posted by NancynNC
This is from transcripts of Nancy Graces' interview with Faye...


snip'

GRACE: When did you start becoming suspicious?

GRINSTEAD: Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first, but she never called me back. I left her a message and she didn`t call me back because I`d call both phones. But I really didn`t start to get worried until later on in the late afternoon. And when she had not called me back, I began to get concerned then.

GRACE: Did you call the neighbors?

GRINSTEAD: I did not call the neighbors until very late Saturday night, Sunday night...

GRACE: So you did call Sunday night?

GRINSTEAD: Sunday night.

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

GRACE: What did they say?

GRINSTEAD: They didn`t seem to think anything looked unusual, that the car was there. They had been gone all day and didn`t get back until late, but they said the car was there. Nothing looked unusual.

i would assume that faye and HD talked Sunday that they cant get a hold of Tara and faye asked HD to check on Tara because mr portier didn t get back to them then probably HD promised to go there after work. He went there at 12;15am then called back faye to let her know that Tara's car is there but no one is answering . As an experienced LE, HD checked on the area and didnt find any glove there so that could mean that the perpetrator arrived after HD left and left the glove.

I would think that it was HD looking for Tara and probably asking Faye if Tara is there because he cannot get a hold of her. It was probably HD's call who prompted Faye to call Mr Portier also to check on Tara.

[Babes]

Originally posted by fsbiii
WWW.FINDTARA.COM

Dr. Godwin says:

"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."


Based on this statement i would think that Godwin is pointing the finger more on MH.... why? because of the time of the abduction he is giving us which is up to 5am Sunday Morning. What made him say 5am Sunday morning and not 6am or 7am and so on? Because 5am is the time MH went home... Do you have any other reasons why would Dr Godwin say up to 5am Sunday?

[Jboils]

Originally posted by Babes



Based on this statement i would think that Godwin is pointing the finger more on MH.... why? because of the time of the abduction he is giving us which is up to 5am Sunday Morning. What made him say 5am Sunday morning and not 6am or 7am and so on? Because 5am is the time MH went home... Do you have any other reasons why would Dr Godwin say up to 5am Sunday? :lol: :seeya: :rose:

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Babes



Based on this statement i would think that Godwin is pointing the finger more on MH.... why? because of the time of the abduction he is giving us which is up to 5am Sunday Morning. What made him say 5am Sunday morning and not 6am or 7am and so on? Because 5am is the time MH went home... Do you have any other reasons why would Dr Godwin say up to 5am Sunday?

He must have discarded the witness that said a truck was parked at Tara's at 5:30 am.

[fallenangelpi]

This helps us out more than we know!!!
First, Dr. Godwin is saying 11:05 p.m. Saturday evening till 5 a.m. Sunday morning. There must be a reason he is saying 11:05 p.m. Maybe this was based on what HD said but maybe this is the time some one last spoke with her on the phone. It didnt really say. Second, If some one did attack or take her, that leaves then only one hour 10 mins before they returned again to the start point. Which tells us if we figure the time spent for the attack, the drive to where ever they took or put her, and the drive back means she isant too far from her home.
Also, the mud on her tires....If we can search weather for that time frame, day b4 ect, then we may be able to determine what roads would have been mud like that on those days, maybe all, it could have rained, or maybe not. Some may still have been muddy because maybe they remain muddy for a time after due to where they are located. Also, gives us a time frame to look at those that could be responsible, as to,,, what where they doing the following day?? How were they acting?? Anything out of the norm?? This all gives us something to go on from here :)

[concernedperson]

Does anyone know how far the burned house is from Tara's house? Is it on a dirt road or is the drive way at the house dirt vs. concrete?

[fsbiii]

Approximately 7 miles East-South-East of Tara's home, according to Yahoo! maps.

It is on a dirt road, Snapdragon Rd, which is off Satilla Rd.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Approximately 7 miles East-South-East of Tara's home, according to Yahoo! maps.

It is on a dirt road, Snapdragon Rd, which is off Satilla Rd.

Bells keep ringing. I would hope someone gets dirt samples from this road and sends it to Dr. Godwin for comparison to the clay found on Tara's car.

[shelock]

Originally posted by GeneralLee
First, I'd like to disagree with one thing here. I thought that Tara made 3 phone calls from her home after returning from the cookout.

The last call was reported to be at 12:30 AM on Sunday morning.

IMO, she couldn't have been abducted between 11:05 pm on Saturday evening and 12:30 AM on Sunday morning if she was making phone calls between that time. I respectfully disagree with Dr. Godwin on the time of abduction being as early as 11:05 pm Saturday night.


Do we know for a fact that Tara made all 3 phone calls? It could have be a friend or a perpetrator instead.

[Hotwater]

fsbiii

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WWW.FINDTARA.COM

Dr. Godwin says:

"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."


Last edited by Hotwater on 03-19-2006 at 04:40 PM

I checked Findtara.com and the original quote used the word "perpetrator." I changed the quotes here to reflect that.

--Hh20

[White Dove]

Originally posted by Hotwater


I checked Findtara.com and the original quote used the word "perpetrator." I changed the quotes here to reflect that.

--Hh20

Thanks Hotwater, for the info...:seeya:

[fsbiii]

Actually, the original posting said "killer," and it was changed about an hour later. I couldn't edit the original posting here, but I wanted to point that out to avoid the impression I somehow put "killer" in the statement--when it was the actual wording used by Dr. Godwin in the release posted on the site before amendment.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Actually, the original posting said "killer," and it was changed about an hour later. I couldn't edit the original posting here, but I wanted to point that out to avoid the impression I somehow put "killer" in the statement--when it was the actual wording used by Dr. Godwin in the release posted on the site before amendment.
We all know what you meant.

[georgiagirl1]

Someone made the comment about Dr Godwin pointing a finger at HD. I don't believe that is what he is doing. I believe he is giving a timeline as to when the perp returned. I believe he is saying when HD was at her house, there wasn't a glove in the yard, therefore if he was there at 12:15am, then that means the perp returned to her home sometime after 12:15am. When I first read the statement I was thinking the same thing about pointing a finger at HD, until I read it again correctly.

[Aussie]

Dr. Godwin states that Tara disappeared Sat night / Sunday Morn.
He then states that someone very familiar with the area returned and dropped the glove sometime Mon morning after 12:15am.
HD was there at this time and is in LE with access to gloves.
Ring Tara up to 20 times on the Sunday????? and then drive down to her house in the early hours of the morning. Then ring her Mum to see if she has had contact with her. Could he have been setting up his involvement for a reason?
There is something a little too fishy in all of this.
Did Tara want to go public with a relationship? Or is he just a concerned friend. It is hard to know.
Because Tara was a popular person there are so many players in this. That is why evidence is so important.
Lets hope they find some more soon.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Candace


I am having trouble getting my question answered...Pls, if you know, was Dr. Godwin threatened recently? tia

Candace

Link is right here:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=258881

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by Aussie
Dr. Godwin states that Tara disappeared Sat night / Sunday Morn.
He then states that someone very familiar with the area returned and dropped the glove sometime Mon morning after 12:15am.
HD was there at this time and is in LE with access to gloves.
Ring Tara up to 20 times on the Sunday????? and then drive down to her house in the early hours of the morning. Then ring her Mum to see if she has had contact with her. Could he have been setting up his involvement for a reason?
There is something a little too fishy in all of this.
Did Tara want to go public with a relationship? Or is he just a concerned friend. It is hard to know.
Because Tara was a popular person there are so many players in this. That is why evidence is so important.
Lets hope they find some more soon. MOO - According to the most recent CL article, Dr. Godwin does not suspect HD. In fact he bases part of his time line (the 12:15 a.m.) on HD being there and not seeing the glove.

But how would HD even notice the glove at that hour? Was it stuck to the doorbell? I thought it was out in the yard with the leaves. And now, after how many months, a second dog appears?

Is this science?

[Atok]

The pumpkin was still lit up.

[NancynNC]

If HD gets out and walks around the house, callls Tara on the home phone or cellular, can he not hear it ringing through the window or door?

[jela72]

Bumping this thread.

Something came to mind: In the article benhill found regarding HD (where HD says he hadn't seen T in weeks) ... I have to admit that HD did not say he hadn't been by T's house in weeks. He said he hadn't seen her. Or so he claimed. However they were having an affair so something's up there.

(Just trying to clarify what's actually been reported against what actually alleged to have happened.)

Anyone else find it suspicious that HD was right outside T's house after calling and calling her all day Sunday - and also think his actions (silence) have been strange?

If he didn't want exposure due to his affair, then why didn't he call LE to go check on Tara - or alert her mom to T's 'real danger'? He apparently knew them all well enough to be trusted, right?

:)

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by jela72
Bumping this thread.

Something came to mind: In the article benhill found regarding HD (where HD says he hadn't seen T in weeks) ... I have to admit that HD did not say he hadn't been by T's house in weeks. He said he hadn't seen her. Or so he claimed. However they were having an affair so something's up there.

(Just trying to clarify what's actually been reported against what actually alleged to have happened.)

Anyone else find it suspicious that HD was right outside T's house after calling and calling her all day Sunday - and also think his actions (silence) have been strange?

If he didn't want exposure due to his affair, then why didn't he call LE to go check on Tara - or alert her mom to T's 'real danger'? He apparently knew them all well enough to be trusted, right?

:)

We do not know for a fact that they were having an affair.

[jela72]

Yikes, Nancy! Really? Despite an article, posters, friends, etc stating they wre dating? Geeez, that's dangerous. From all I've read (including some articles) I truly believe they were seeing each other on the quiet. :eek:

The only thing that would 'release' HD from my (personal) radar, lol, is if he was specifically asked by Tara to follow and or look out for her.

Did Tara share the 'real danger' she apparently believed she was in with anyone else outside of HD?

[NancynNC]

From what CTV Library said HD went to the school to see Tara on 10/13 when she left school early. That is 9 days before she disappeared. Maybe he considers that 2 weeks since he last seen her.

Could you post a link to the articles that say they were having an affair? I know some posters have suggested that but you cannot believe all that is posted.

[benhill29]

Originally posted by Justice4Tara


They were not having an affair. He is a trusted friend of the entire family. He tried to help Tara when he realized things concerning MH. If any of you females have never had a protective male (platonic) friend, then you can't relate to this easily.
I agree that if he was a family friend and if I can find that quote from some of her family regarding how he had always been close to them and she felt like she could depend on him when things became bad for her as far as MH, AV, etc. go. I am still looking for the quote from her family. I have had platonic friends as well so I am trying to keep an open mind about HD and Tara.

[jela72]

Hi Nancy

I read it recently (and still looking for that article) meantime, I did see an article in Crime Library posted by Marilyn - entitled something along lines of "Previous Relationships Could Throw Light on Missing Woman".

I've copied the link and am not so good on this board about pasting it - in case I blow the margins.

3/4 down the article, it talks about an LE officer she had dated - and who had turned up at her school on one occasion when she'd been upset.

But I know I saw a more recent article. Will try and source it :)

[The R]

Nancy,

Here is a link posted by Benhill on another thread that refers to 'dating'

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html

read it and see what conclusion you come to.

[jela72]

Thanks, R.

Also, Nancy & R, it's been further alleged that Tara was upset with MH's friend in LE (SF) who had passed on private information when AV was banging on her door. When SF arrived, it's alleged that HD was inside (late at night) with Tara.

Tara later apparently dropped charges. However - it was the leaking of this personal information that upset Tara.

I have no link - other than to say this was discussed here in (i think) 2 threads. Am sure other posters can recall more precisely.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by The R
Nancy,

Here is a link posted by Benhill on another thread that refers to 'dating'

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html

read it and see what conclusion you come to.

Wow, Thanks so much. I read it and came to the same conclusion. I am emailing Mr. McGraw right now.
I know lots of people have hinted to this but never seen it in an article.

[The R]

Nancy,

That'll be 2 of us emailing him.......

R

[The R]

Nancy,

It's the first time I actually saw this info too although I'd read the article before and have been watching this board since last November.

I know this is bordering on being gossipy, BUT, if this is the case and they had 'dated' it would shed a lot of light on some motives IMO. What better cover could you use than to say to a girl's family that you were there to protect her?

I'll certainly come back here and apologize to HD and all if Mr Mcgraw refutes or otherwise explains away that passage in the article......

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Wow, Thanks so much. I read it and came to the same conclusion. I am emailing Mr. McGraw right now.
I know lots of people have hinted to this but never seen it in an article.

Email has been sent.

[jela72]

Me too, The R!

---------------------------

But what about the apparent upset when Tara reported AV banging on her door - and when SF arrived HD was with Tara. It's alleged SF told MH about this - who let Tara know, he knew (lawd...)?

Was that also invented?

<<< I'm totally perplexed >>>



Originally posted by The R
Nancy,

It's the first time I actually saw this info too although I'd read the article before and have been watching this board since last November.

I know this is bordering on being gossipy, BUT, if this is the case and they had 'dated' it would shed a lot of light on some motives IMO. What better cover could you use than to say to a girl's family that you were there to protect her?

I'll certainly come back here and apologize to HD and all if Mr Mcgraw refutes or otherwise explains away that passage in the article......

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by The R
Nancy,

It's the first time I actually saw this info too although I'd read the article before and have been watching this board since last November.

I know this is bordering on being gossipy, BUT, if this is the case and they had 'dated' it would shed a lot of light on some motives IMO. What better cover could you use than to say to a girl's family that you were there to protect her?

I'll certainly come back here and apologize to HD and all if Mr Mcgraw refutes or otherwise explains away that passage in the article......

I have read and read the articles and never seen this. He states it as a fact, not rumored.

I have noticed that several articles get changed. Things that were big and talked about by us in the past months can not even be found now.

I asked in the email if HD had been seperated from his wife at some time. It will be interesting.

I think in Dr. Darwins' statements, he is not pointing away from HD, and I see that he uses the same initials that we do. He did not state his name.

JMO

[NancynNC]

This is email I received from Mr. McGraw:

My original source on that has since revised that to suggest that they were very close friends. In any case, I'm told that he is not actively under suspicion. It is important to note that authorities are still treating the matter as a missing person's case and there are NO suspects.

Thanks for writing.

Seamus

[jela72]

:eek: Good lord!

Er, does Seamus realize the implications of his reporting-style?

Then what about the issue when SF allegedly 'revealed' the HD was at Tara's home the night he was banging on the door and LE was called out?

So, is the HD/Tara 'affair' a load of hogwash?

It's still strange he didn't come out and state he was at her house the weekend she went missing and was trying to reach her.

What's the midnight visit and 20 calls all about, then?


:shrug:

[jela72]

Hmmmm. Something very fishy's going on here .... :confused:

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Sassy
The week before Tara disappeared it was stated she seemed to be concerned or upset about something. We do not actually know the root of the problem. MH, HD, and others know the reason.

HD came to the school on Thursday, Oct. 13, for some apparent reason. She left school.

On Friday, October 14, Tara was not at school. WHY?

MH states this to be the last time he saw her. (His words, no one elses) Friday morning and then again in the afternoon. She was upset , again MH says about something?? WHAT? We do not know....but someone does....

MH and the young girl (dating or no) WERE seen at Friday football games prior to the disappearence. FACT.

Thanks Sassy,
I have reread the Greta interview many times and so regret that when MH said Tara was crying and upset, why didn't Greta ask what she was upset about. She is usually great at asking questions but she missed that one.

[The R]

based on info received today, I for one, will not continue the line of suspicion/questioning on HD and whether or not there was 'dating' going on.....my opinion was changed a bit by info I received.

R

[BevAnn]

You know, I have a platonic guy friend - best friends since 10th grade....many years ago!! LOL BUT, you know, yes, he is a platonic friend, some one I'd call if I was worried, scared or just needed to talk.

And HD IS LE in another town - if she felt threatened by MH or someone else, HD would be a logical choice to share those concerns with....I can see it not being an affair, just good friends, and his whole going to check on her, just kind of puts in him in the lime light of speculation more than normally would have happened.

And based on info I have recently received, I also take HD off my suspicion list....

JMHO
Bev Ann

[Designer]

Originally posted by GeneralLee
I read that Tara was possibly reading MH's emails, maybe reading something from this "18 year old" that made her angry? (SNIP)

WOULD have had a baby around the dates that she was so distraught and unstable? I know the due date that finally comes after you've lost a pregnancy can be very emotional on a woman who terminates or miscarriages a pregnancy, so it was just a straw to grasp, in case it means something to someone who would know more.

I can tell you that "anniversay dates" can be very traumatic for women who have terminated pregnancies. Suicide rates go up, and in general unusual behavior can be expected at that time. I don't know if any of this applies to Tara, but what you say sounds possible.

[One2Snoop]

Bump :rose: