Detective Barrs

[Babes]

Where does Detective Bill Barrs ( in-charge of Tara's case) report?.... to Sgt Sean Fletcher?

Is this detective a friend of MH ? ( Just wonderin')

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by Babes
Where does Detective Bill Barrs ( in-charge of Tara's case) report?.... to Sgt Sean Fletcher?

Is this detective a friend of MH ? ( Just wonderin') Sergeant Bill Barrs, Detective, Criminal Investigation Division, Ocilla PD:

http://www.ocillapolice.com/opdlist/contacts.html

MOO - Det. Barrs reports to Chief Hancock. I thought SF, and (formerly) MH were police officers (unranked).

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Saunterer
Sergeant Bill Barrs, Detective, Criminal Investigation Division, Ocilla PD:

http://www.ocillapolice.com/opdlist/contacts.html

MOO - Det. Barrs reports to Chief Hancock. I thought SF, and (formerly) MH were police officers (unranked).

It just seems that a conflict of interest exist in this arrangement. IMO it should be a totally different agency involved as lead investigator since all the players are interwined.

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by concernedperson

It just seems that a conflict of interest exist in this arrangement. IMO it should be a totally different agency involved as lead investigator since all the players are interwined. MOO - Isn't that one reason why the GBI became involved in this case early on? If someone in local LE might be connected to TG's disappearance, who else is there to investigate than the GBI?

There are no investigative reporters working the case. A private detective might not get past local LE's "front door". One wonders how far Dr. Godwin (former PO from NC, presently in Ocilla) may get "inside" the TG investigation.

Neither the local LE or the GBI are saying what they've found out so far. But I personally do not believe anyone in LE would protect a bad cop. I pray that someone is able to solve this mystery soon.

[concernedperson]

The way it is set up the lead detective is Barrs. All tips etc. go through him, right? GBI seems to be an overseeing presense but of course I don't know for sure. They could be handling it in its entirety.

The one good thing about Godwin is that he will call attention to the case even if he can't get inside the investigation. This could mean someone would feel more comfortable giving him tips vs. local LE or GBI. More of a neutral person. When he profiled the Louisiana Serial Killer case it increased nationwide interest and it got people hopping a little more.

The interesting thing about that profile is that only one serial killer was suspected by the public but there was actually two operating in the area with different mo's. He was a little off on the public known serial killer but was right on about the unknown serial killer as far as their home base of operation.

[benhill29]

This thread is old but I am adding this reply so that some of the non--locals can see that our Lead Detective was formerly the D.A.R.E officer for the schools. I have been questioned about my lack of faith in local LE and this is a prime example of why. For Tara's sake, could we not have at least done better than this....

:rose: Always for Tara

[benhill29]

:shrug:

:rose: Always for Tara

[carterkatt]

OK...I've been a "reader" for a long time, and never a "poster"... but here goes. BenHill.... just a comment/question.

You state that Det. Barrs is the DARE Officer, and, IF I am understanding your point, you question why he is lead detective, if he is/was "just" the DARE Officer?

I need to understand first, you are saying he is the DARE Officer, not the SRO (School Resource Officer), correct?

I used to work in LE, and the DARE Officer where I worked WAS a Detective. DARE only took part of his time. He was top notch. In fact, he is now a Police Chief. I would assume that a detective in that community would not have a full time load being a detective, and could serve as DARE Officer too?

I should clarify I know none of the people in this case, and I am just "wondering out loud".
Thanks.

[fsbiii]

Image of Det. Barrs:
http://www.ocillapolice.com/img/dare4.jpg

A couple of months ago I was told that he was no longer the the detective on the case. I do not know that for certainty. His name is still on the flyer linked off the OPD website, but his name is not on the contact section on findtara.com.

I also THINK that a spouse of someone in OPD was on the messageboards defending a certain POI. If that is true, talk about a conflict of interest.... yowza.

[benhill29]

Originally posted by carterkatt
OK...I've been a "reader" for a long time, and never a "poster"... but here goes. BenHill.... just a comment/question.

You state that Det. Barrs is the DARE Officer, and, IF I am understanding your point, you question why he is lead detective, if he is/was "just" the DARE Officer?

I need to understand first, you are saying he is the DARE Officer, not the SRO (School Resource Officer), correct?

I used to work in LE, and the DARE Officer where I worked WAS a Detective. DARE only took part of his time. He was top notch. In fact, he is now a Police Chief. I would assume that a detective in that community would not have a full time load being a detective, and could serve as DARE Officer too?

I should clarify I know none of the people in this case, and I am just "wondering out loud".
Thanks.

In no way did I mean to insinuate any thing other than the fact that to me, even in this small town community, I would think someone with more experience would have been placed in charge of this important investigation. Det. Barrs could very well have been placed in that position by those who really don't want this solved. In my opinion there are those in LE that wish this would go away so what better way to foul up an investigation than to place someone like Det. Barrs in the position. Then...when it all falls apart or becomes a cold case what better person to place the blame on than the cop who was the DARE officer...JMHO


:rose: Always for Tara...to the end!

[benhill29]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Image of Det. Barrs:
http://www.ocillapolice.com/img/dare4.jpg

A couple of months ago I was told that he was no longer the the detective on the case. I do not know that for certainty. His name is still on the flyer linked off the OPD website, but his name is not on the contact section on findtara.com.

I also THINK that a spouse of someone in OPD was on the messageboards defending a certain POI. If that is true, talk about a conflict of interest.... yowza.

MANY conflicts of interest out there....MANY!

[benhill29]

A press conference from the sheriff would have been nice but we all know he isn't too keen on giving those...may step on too many toes or not be able to answer the ?? directed at him without first checking to see what his answers should be from the people who pull all those strings.

I think you are right....The direction of this investigation was fumbled from the start...too many indians...no chiefs...is something wrong with that???
:rose: Always for Tara

[benhill29]

is what I would use to describe Ocilla. It takes 10 minutes to get there from Fitzgerald. They have very few red lights...maybe two now...I may head that way and count them...they have more LE than red lights. Does that help?
As for Det. Barrs being the sr. I can't answer that.
I am under the impression that perhaps the FBI is already involved and it just hasn't been made very public. Woudn't want to upset the apple cart too much ahead of time and admitting that the FBI was involved would turn heads in Ocilla.


:rose: Always for Tara

[NancynNC]

We all have opinions and we all have questions, BUT to say the chief, LE, city gov. and neighbor all in a cover-up is not rational.
I do not think any of these would protect a killer. IMO

[GADAWG]

I hope and pray there is not a cover up going on. But if there is I do hope all that is involved goes down.

[NancynNC]

It is human nature to give your family, friends, co-workers the benefit of doubt. We have seen it in almost every case here at CTV. But if there is hard evidence and a body is found, things will change. Sometimes the family never sees it as truth.

[benhill29]

are not off the mark too much if you ask me...But no one is asking but I am telling you that in my opinion only I have wanted to ask Mr. Portier many times why if he was such a great neighbor to Tara (examples included in General Lee's post) did he NOT put forth much effort to check on her when HD and Miss Faye were concerned....unless...and this is speculation only....he knows more than he has said. JMHO....but he went beyond the call of "duty" when it wasn't necessary but when it seems important he goes to sleep. What the heck???

I am local and I am more than convinced that cover-ups do exist...maybe Ocilla is exempt from such terrible things but I know Fitzgerald sure isn't.


:rose: Always for Tara.

[Luckys_Wife]

If thier are people in this local LE or the GBI that are covering for someone.....I would think that it is more likely they would cover for HD being that he obviously is in a position of power and probably better connected to the right people. MH is a former police officer.....therefore not "in the brotherhood". He may still have friends on the force but as far as I've heard.....none that are in a position of power. If someone is covering for him (MH) then its most likely a friend of his....that happens to be LE. Then the cover-up probably doesn't go beyond that. If a cover-up involving several people on different levels then I would assume the person being protected is more likely HD. Because of his position. All just my Opinion!

[Luckys_Wife]

Another thing....why would HD say that Tara was in danger, yet he didn't advise her to go stay with family or a friend? Danger from who? Who is he implying she was afraid of.....MH?

From the things that have come to light in the last few days , its my opinion that HD and Tara were more than friends, and if its true she did visit MH and she was very distraught maybe she was feeling guilty about the relationship, and actualy confided in MH about the whole thing. It is possible that HD is responsible for Taras dissapearance and setting MH up to take the fall. It was HD that called her 20 times.....it was HD that drove all the way to her home in the middle of the night, it was also HD that phoned her mother when he couldn't reach her....after 1 day. Most people would assume a friend was out or away for the weekend...how did he know for sure something was wrong? Why then if he knew he didn't break the door down to check on her...or immediatly call her landlord for a key? Maybe he called Faye because he needed an alibi for why his car was in front of her home...she can now confirm he was there to help......or so he claims. IMOO

[benhill29]

HD did know and it most certainly wasn't MH just because of a break up or a harrassing situation with an ex-boyfriend. We are not all privy to the facts that surround this case but IMHO HD was around as the lone ranger in a pack of wolves.
Only in my opinion, but for me HD was perhaps on "duty" so to speak.
I have my own theories about what HD was doing with Tara and they most definitely are not associated with any thing other than taking care of the issues they may have arisen due to things we are not aware of at this time.
It will all come out once the perps are arrested.

[Luckys_Wife]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Trouble with that, Lucky- is HD worked in the City of PERRY Police Force in HOUSTON COUNTY (I think)about 90 minutes from IRWIN COUNTY. Being a Captain in Perry meant nothing in Ocilla -his position of power did not stretch to the tiny town of Ocilla. And Tara was the exgirlfriend of an Ocilla Policeman.

So the fact that some on the force might have met or knew HD through Tara, he was not in their chain of command at all. So Lucy - why would anyone in Ocilla care to protect HD?

I was under the impression that they all protect each other...not just their co-workers in the same department. I am not a police officer so Im not familar with how they interact with other police departments or if they all go to the same acadamy or seminars. But I believe it was said that HD was friends with the GBI officer in this case.....?

[benhill29]

and just if he did happen to be friends with the GBI agent involved perhaps that is a very GOOD thing in this particular situation. That goes right along with my theory about why HD was there and why he made the statements he did in the VERY beginning...Sometimes being the lone ranger is such a difficult job but I am sure it is worth it in the end and the connection with the GBI..if any...would serve very valuable in this particular situation...
I kind of liken it to IA within law enforcement organizations....some one always has to be on the good side of the law...it just may be a little harder to recognize the good ones.

:rose: Always for Tara

[Luckys_Wife]

Originally posted by benhill29
HD did know and it most certainly wasn't MH just because of a break up or a harrassing situation with an ex-boyfriend. We are not all privy to the facts that surround this case but IMHO HD was around as the lone ranger in a pack of wolves.
Only in my opinion, but for me HD was perhaps on "duty" so to speak.
I have my own theories about what HD was doing with Tara and they most definitely are not associated with any thing other than taking care of the issues they may have arisen due to things we are not aware of at this time.
It will all come out once the perps are arrested.

Was Tara an informant?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by benhill29
and just if he did happen to be friends with the GBI agent involved perhaps that is a very GOOD thing in this particular situation. That goes right along with my theory about why HD was there and why he made the statements he did in the VERY beginning...Sometimes being the lone ranger is such a difficult job but I am sure it is worth it in the end and the connection with the GBI..if any...would serve very valuable in this particular situation...
I kind of liken it to IA within law enforcement organizations....some one always has to be on the good side of the law...it just may be a little harder to recognize the good ones.

:rose: Always for Tara

Good post. The whole thing is to discover Tara and the rest will fall into place. They have tons of leads IMO but they need to show a crime was committed. Once this occurs everyone will all speak at once.

[concernedperson]

Christ on a raft, now Faye is conspiring. I am just going to leave tonight and I know the people with real info will PM me. Have fun all you loony tunes.

[jela72]

GREAT POST, Luckys_Wife. These have been my thoughts since I entered this forum.

The most startling aspect is that HD's presence outside Tara's house in *the middle of all this* only came to light after momths of 'investigation' - and that's when Dr. Godwin came into the picture and checked tower phone records.

Only THEN... did the world discover HD was right there, having driven 90 miles cross-county in the middle of the night. 20 calls with no reply is highly questionable.

People now seem to WANT JP to be irresponsible for not getting up and banging on the door when Faye called him. BUT - it was HD right outside T's house who called Faye. And Faye was not alarmed, she just asked JP to check all was OK. HE was the one who was awake and could have banged on her door. But no ... some people say:

"He had his reasons." Yet, in the same breath, there are some questioning MR. P (neighbour) for not doing the exact same thing? The double standards, cover-ups and denial reek so strongly that one is forced to revisit FACTS as opposed to HEARSAY.

Facts put HD right outside Tara's door. Facts put it that HD never mentioned a WORD about this until DR. G placed his mobile phone right there, at 12:15.

And - exactly. The only person who claims Tara told him she was in 'real danger' was HD. Well, knowing 'all this' he sure did absolutely nothing about it. Instead, he slipped off into the night and drove 90 mile home - and never uttered a single word about his midnight adventure.

Maybe he left his card in the door next day as a ruse? Maybe he arrived for a midnight 'rendezvous' and - realizing only THEN there was 'grave danger' decided to bolt before he was implicated in anything and his affair revealed...

I'm so with you on this one, Luckys_Wife. Thanks!


Originally posted by Luckys_Wife
Another thing....why would HD say that Tara was in danger, yet he didn't advise her to go stay with family or a friend? Danger from who? Who is he implying she was afraid of.....MH?

From the things that have come to light in the last few days , its my opinion that HD and Tara were more than friends, and if its true she did visit MH and she was very distraught maybe she was feeling guilty about the relationship, and actualy confided in MH about the whole thing. It is possible that HD is responsible for Taras dissapearance and setting MH up to take the fall. It was HD that called her 20 times.....it was HD that drove all the way to her home in the middle of the night, it was also HD that phoned her mother when he couldn't reach her....after 1 day. Most people would assume a friend was out or away for the weekend...how did he know for sure something was wrong? Why then if he knew he didn't break the door down to check on her...or immediatly call her landlord for a key? Maybe he called Faye because he needed an alibi for why his car was in front of her home...she can now confirm he was there to help......or so he claims. IMOO

[jela72]

Excellent observation, GenL.

Let's try this one on for size: how about that HD misled Faye on that call - did NOT tell her was right outside T's door? She said he didn't sound alarmed. Maybe he simply said "She hasn't been taking my calls" which is why Faye said she'd call JP.

Well, blow me down, HD was right outside JP's house, too. WHY wake a sleepy neighbour when he could have gone and banged that door himself? ESPECIALLY after being 'the only one' Tara told she was in 'real danger'. Why didn't she tell her best friends, her mom, her sister - her colleagues?

Don't forget, Dr. G discovered HD's presence outside Tara's house that night.

And, DESPITE being this number 1 police Captain - you'd have thought HD would have told investigators what he saw. In my mind, that's obstruction of justice! So what's with that? He MISLED the investigation from day 1.

Because he told no-one. If that were the case, the questions you and many others ask, would not be asked now.

And, for what it's worth - it was immediately AFTER the latest report from Dr. G about the phone records and HD's 'position' at 12:15 that Dr. G received the death threat. That may be entirely conincidental, but it sure made ME think!

This is getting uglier and uglier. And the towns-folk don't like the facts - they're all talking FOR HD. They're all offering THEIR reasons and stating these as HD's.

HD pure as the driven snow? :no:

Originally posted by GeneralLee
When someone asks you a question and you do not give the WHOLE truth about the information you are giving, you are being deceptive.

We did not find out about what PROMPTED Faye to call the neighbors UNTIL AFTER DR. GODWIN RELEASED THAT INFO.
She led us to believe that she was just worried and called, all on her own....leaving out the part about HD calling her from Tara's driveway, concerned. It was THEN that she phoned the neighbors. Am I wrong????? Correct me if I am, by all means!

There were several opportunities to tell that part when interviewed by NATIONAL MEDIA. Why leave it out?

I think the "left out" parts are precisely the hold up.

IMO, again, we were deceived.

[frznwsalt]

You don't think Tara's mom knew HD was there? I just assumed she did, and that LE did too. Just not the public.

I imagine he called Tara all day, then called her mom to ask if Tara was over there. Tara's mom told him no, she had been trying to reach her all day too. So HD said he'd go over to check when he finished his shift, knowing Tara had been getting some threatening calls. He goes over there, and the car is in the carport, but she doesn't answer the door. It's late, though, so he doesn't want to knock TOO loud, in case she's asleep. He calls Tara's mom. She says she'll call the neighbors, since they look out for Tara. She downplays her concern, though, because she feels bad about calling so late. They tell her everything seems fine--they saw Tara go out Saturday, and the car is in the carport now. They offer to go over and check, but she says that's not necessary, knowing HD just did. She goes to bed somewhat reassured, but a little uneasy. HD leaves his card in the door, asking Tara to call him when she wakes up. The next morning Tara's mom calls the school. Tara's not in yet. Tara's mom explains the situation. When Tara still hasn't arrived by 8:50, they call the police. Just my take.

[Luckys_Wife]

If HD was really worried about Tara, I mean if he truly believed she was in danger he would have entered her home (IMO). If a family friend was the captain of a police department and he called me because he was concerned for my childs safety...in the middle of the night...I would be in a panic. Maybe faye knew about the relationship and assumed they were just having a lovers spat and Tara was ignoring him. She then calls the neighbors and ask if everything is ok next door, the neighbors then see HD car and desides not to bother her because she has company. They tell her everything looks fine.
They did not go check on Tara according to them because they did not want to disturb her...maybe they just didn't want to get involved! Does anyone know if HD is known to be violent or short tempered?

[fsbiii]

Some good perspective IMO on HD and the current discussion.

Originally posted by jela72
GREAT POST, Luckys_Wife. These have been my thoughts since I entered this forum.

The most startling aspect is that HD's presence outside Tara's house in *the middle of all this* only came to light after momths of 'investigation' - and that's when Dr. Godwin came into the picture and checked tower phone records.

Only THEN... did the world discover HD was right there, having driven 90 miles cross-county in the middle of the night. 20 calls with no reply is highly questionable.

People now seem to WANT JP to be irresponsible for not getting up and banging on the door when Faye called him. BUT - it was HD right outside T's house who called Faye. And Faye was not alarmed, she just asked JP to check all was OK. HE was the one who was awake and could have banged on her door. But no ... some people say:

"He had his reasons." Yet, in the same breath, there are some questioning MR. P (neighbour) for not doing the exact same thing? The double standards, cover-ups and denial reek so strongly that one is forced to revisit FACTS as opposed to HEARSAY.

Facts put HD right outside Tara's door. Facts put it that HD never mentioned a WORD about this until DR. G placed his mobile phone right there, at 12:15.

And - exactly. The only person who claims Tara told him she was in 'real danger' was HD. Well, knowing 'all this' he sure did absolutely nothing about it. Instead, he slipped off into the night and drove 90 mile home - and never uttered a single word about his midnight adventure.

Maybe he left his card in the door next day as a ruse? Maybe he arrived for a midnight 'rendezvous' and - realizing only THEN there was 'grave danger' decided to bolt before he was implicated in anything and his affair revealed...

I'm so with you on this one, Luckys_Wife. Thanks!

[Results]

Thank you fsbiii. I noticed how this poster says FACT several times on this HD phone call in the middle of the night and how it was a FACT HD kept it a secret. Very interesting. JMHO

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Two comments:

GBI's site -

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/missing/taragrinstead.html

STILL shows Det. Barrs as working this case

Never has changed- not the local Ocilla nonemergency phone number as the contact # and never a change as to who was in charge of FINDING TARA!

Agent Dominic Turner -

Anyone ever see him? Anyone know where Agent Turner worked in the GBI? Just really really curious what that guy looks like and what expertise he brought to this case!

Bill Barrs -

According to NBC producer who went to Ocilla to do a story on Tara, Tara was Bill Barrs FIRST missing person case.

Now Seamus McGraw says that 50+ GBI agents have worked this case.

Really makes me wonder about the caliber and veracity of the investigation...

I see contradictions and conflicts from the very beginning - and I am not alone.


Gotta ask -

IF Bill Barrs was no longer working Tara's case, why didn't any of the 50+ GBI agents who worked this case realize that their own website needed to be updated at the very least?

AND

Why do the GBI keep the local Ocilla PD phone number as the LONE contact number for tips on their website?

More confusion IMO.

V

:seeya:

[luvmy2labpups]

All that matters is that Taras picture is up, a number is there, the rest can be handled when their phone is picked up. I see nothing unusual about them not switching 50 different times.

[readmylips]

what difference does it make what agent turner looks like? really?

and who said that det. barrs is not still working the case? does the case have to be worked by only one person or one agency for that matter?

gbi is an assisting agency. that means they are assisting the ocilla pd and last i checked det barrs was the ocilla pd detective so he would be the detective on the case.

so what if this was det barrs first missing person case. there has to be a first for everyone and personally i hope it is his last.

i dont mean any offense but i just dont get the point of the post.

[fsbiii]

And this is relevant for what purpose? Is he a new POI or DOI?

:hat:

Anyone ever see him? Anyone know where Agent Turner worked in the GBI? Just really really curious what that guy looks like...

[concernedperson]

You know what is interesting is the fact that posters want to know who posters are. They want to know what GBI looks like they are overly concerned with BBQ guests. This is nothing to Tara's case. How many forums have these dingbats posted on? None prior to this one..would be my guess.

When I was communicating with fluffies it was always about who it was that posted.I am like ...duh..but went with the flow. Glad I did now and sorry I was lied to so much but I am on healthier ground because of it.

It was setting up a junior high camp for the ins and outs. I have seen a lot of this. It is stupid. And the people that relish it are stupid too.

The issues surrounding this case are real. And someone has lost their life over it IMO. To continue to denigrate posters for discussion about this case raises more questions. I think they left junior high and went into crime.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

I am a bit foggy about some of what the immediate posters are referingl however, I will try to answer some of questions which appear to be directed my way.

Someone said the GBI was "assisting" with Tara's case. As I understand it, the GBI was called in by Chief Hancock to LEAD the investigation, not assist. There is a HUGE difference - I and others have tried and tried to explain the basics here. If the POIs of a case are LE and the departments involved are small - then in order for the investigation to draw the public's confidence and appear unbias (and able to be confidential) the usual protocol is to turn the case over to an independent or more senior investigative agency. Why some continue to refuse to see the obvious really confounds me. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING OR IMPLYING ANY ONE WORKING TARA'S CASE DID NOT DO THE BEST HE OR SHE COULD!

As to what talents/expertise Agent Turner has- well, he was assigned this case by the GBI. The GBI could have assigned any agent - call me what you want- I think it is relevant WHAT DIVISION TURNER worked BEFORE HE WAS ASSIGNED THIS CASE. If it were my family member, I would want a senior agent with a working knowledge of Southern GA, a good working relationship with FL and AL peers as well as a good track record with missing person cases. I would NOT want a green agent or one who was pulled from a division who really was trained to deal with other sorts of cases...

AND CALL ME REALLY OUT THERE- but I for one am USED to seeing TASK FORCES when missing persons occur. Considering the number of LE involved in this case, I don't find it odd at all to wonder what the lead investigators look like. We sort of know Det. Barrs resume right? But we haven't a clue about Agent Turner, do we? I and others are used to press conferences or news stories where there is ROUTINELY contact INFO FOR THE LEADING INVESTIGATORS, as well as qualifications/characteristics/talents/etc to help instill confidence from the public (and hopefully put the Fear of GOD in anyone who might have harmed Tara or know what happened to her). So for Tara's case, IMO, I have been waiting for 1 year for Agent Turner to ASK the public to contact HIM about Tara's case. That doesn't seem so over the top or odd to me. I NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A ROTATION OF 50+ numbers, that would have been confusing and opened the door to a host of problems. To the contrary, I have always maintained I simply find it very ODD the GBI (even on their own website) has never included their own internal contact information for any and all who wish to contact someone OUTSIDE of the Ocilla GA about Tara's case, for whatever reason (there are some missing person cases where they DO include internal contact information). With over 50 new pair of eyes, as the GBI's spokesman likes to put it, working Tara's case, I just would have thought one would have realized before the anniversary of her disappearance there might be some benefit to including an inhouse GBI contact number for the lead GBI agent who worked/work this case -- maybe by so doing, that missing puzzle piece alluded to could be found.

JUST MOO, of course.

As to who attended a BBQ- I hold fast the hosts of the BBQ/dinnerparty/Cookout - whatever it was- are in an unique position. They (or was it only Missy Davis) were the last people to see Tara before she got in her car to head home, right?

They could let the world know if Tara was an invited guest or a friend who just popped in (as one on this board suggested a few months ago). They could set the record straight exactly where Tara's car was parked, when she arrived and when she left. They could also set the record straight whether Tara, if a guest, was to SOLO or whether a date was expected too.

I think all of those questions might help to cement Tara's timeline - and details like those could have a bearing on this case. Gee, maybe they or someone even saw Tara drive off going in a particular direction. Ocilla is tiny, she could have arrived at her home by going any number of ways. Maybe the specific route is important...

Figured I would clarify here since concerned carried over her concerns. FRESHWATER, for unknown reasons, destroyed the thread I began the anniversary of Tara's disappearance that explored the last comment Tara supposedly made to the host(s) as she left her friends home and headed to her own - GOING HOME TO WATCH THE PAGEANT VIDEO- that October 23rd Saturday night, 2005.

ALL MOO.

[readmylips]

the gbi is an assisting agency that is what they are. that alone explains half of your confusion right there.

someone else will have to tackle the other half.

[Its just me]

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Investigative Division
General Investigations
There are fifteen regional offices strategically located throughout the state that assist local law enforcement agencies, when requested, in a variety of felony criminal investigations. These offices are located in Americus, Athens, Calhoun, Conyers, Douglas, Eastman, Gainesville, Greenville, Kingsland, Milledgeville, Perry, Statesboro, Sylvester, Thomasville and Thomson.

Crime Scene Specialist Section - Each of the GBI's regional offices is staffed with a Crime Scene Specialist. This special agent is equipped with the latest state-of-the-art crime scene processing gear and trained to use this equipment to identify, collect, forensically examine, and preserve physical evidence at crime scenes. Additionally, crime scene processing services are provided to five (5) metropolitan Atlanta counties- DeKalb, Fulton, Cobb, Clayton, and Gwinnett Counties- by GBI and FBI S/A Crime Scene Specialists assigned to the section's Metro Crime Scene Unit.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

THE GBI are authorized to LEAD INVESTIGATIONS! Not going to pull the GACODES but here is confirmation from their own website:

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/idpnd.html

"Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents are authorized under the laws of the State of Georgia to conduct criminal investigations, make arrests, execute search warrants, seize property which is contraband, carry firearms, and detect or apprehend persons (in Georgia) violating the criminal laws of this state, any other state, or the United States.

Additionally, agents are empowered and authorized to:

Arrest any person or persons violating the criminal laws of this state on property owned by the state, its departments, bureaus, commissions, or authorities;..."

AS TO TARA'S CASE:

http://www.tiftongazette.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_024214513.html


PER SENATOR JACK KINGSTON in Janurary 2006:

"There’s not a federal link at this point,” the congressman said. “Right now the FBI has offered assistance to the GBI, but the GBI is still in the lead.”

And this was NOT THE ONLY TIME THE GBI was noted AS BEING IN THE LEAD....

in February 2006 -

http://www.news4jax.com/news/6738725/detail.html?rss=jax&psp=news

"The GBI has assumed responsibility for the investigation, with help from the local police and sheriff's departments."

And just this month on the anniversary of Tara's disappearance --

http://www.tiftongazette.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_293232604.html

“I am optimistic this case will be solved,” said GBI Special Agent in Charge Gary Rothwell with the Perry office. “I think this is a solvable case.”


The way I see it, the GBI DID at some point TAKE OVER THE LEAD in this case - if they were ONLY ASSISTING surely Senator Kingston would have understood and relayed this to the family and the public.

I know it is really confusing with Tara's case because the INVESTIGATORS were not holding news conferences or offering news releases to the public informing the public who was in charge when. (With many missing person cases, especially those close to statelines, a multi jurisdictional TASK FORCE will be formed early on).


IMO - it would be a positive move for the GBI webmaster to be on the same page with the GBI investigators working this case and the public. Might help someone in the know connect with someone working to solve Tara's disappearance.

JUST MOO of course.

:seeya:

[mooloo]

When does a case become a cold case? Is there an official "time" when a case is declared cold? I would think Tara's is getting awfully close.....



Originally posted by benhill29


In no way did I mean to insinuate any thing other than the fact that to me, even in this small town community, I would think someone with more experience would have been placed in charge of this important investigation. Det. Barrs could very well have been placed in that position by those who really don't want this solved. In my opinion there are those in LE that wish this would go away so what better way to foul up an investigation than to place someone like Det. Barrs in the position. Then...when it all falls apart or becomes a cold case what better person to place the blame on than the cop who was the DARE officer...JMHO


:rose: Always for Tara...to the end!

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Merrick


I thought a case went cold when investigators stopped actively investigating, IMO.

I agree. When investigators have exhausted every lead and nothing new comes in and there is nothing left they feel they can investigate. The case is at a stand still but continues to remain open.

Concerning the GBI being in involved in Tara's case. For the GBI to get involved in any case outside of State owned property they must me asked to assist by someone. Who has the lead would be left up to the authority asking for the GBI's assistance. What happens when the GBI comes in I have no idea but the way I read things the investigation should be a combination of all working together sharing information and leads but because it was stated the GBI was called in on Tara's case because of connections with local LE and Tara I would think the GBI would take the lead but the sad part is both the local and GBI have connections in some way to Tara. According to information from GBI web page I posted above each regional GBI office is equipped when a special trained crime scene unit, which most if not all-local LE offices in South Georgia do not have.

According to my information the GBI were called at sometime Monday morning to assist with this investigation. The arrived at approx. 3:00 pm Monday afternoon and when the GBI came to do the initial investigation of Tara's house and car the GBI pulled in another officer from the neighboring county of Ben Hill to do the testing on Tara's car. Maybe the GBI has the equipment but not the man power to do a crime scene investigation. Just my thoughts and humble opinion only.

[Its just me]

Another opinion I forgot to add. In the last news report Chief Billy Handcock of the Ocilla Police Department was vocal and appears to be up to par on the happenings of Tara's case. I think if anyone has any information on Tara's case it will be handled properly by contacting the Ocilla Police Department and speaking with Chief Handcock. JMHOO

[gacountry]

Serving on this term of Irwin County Grand Jury, I have found the Ocilla PD has only one camera to do crime scene photos. I think this is sad and hope our term of Grand Jury changes this BUT my question is "WHO did the crime scene photos?"
This has bothered me since I learned of the one camera and if its not in the car that goes to the crime scene photos are not taken. I know we have the photos from Crime Library but are these the shots that were taken as crime scene photos? I am sure this has been addressed but I can't find it. I know this is not important for me to know but it is nagging at me. So if anyone can help please do.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by gacountry
Serving on this term of Irwin County Grand Jury, I have found the Ocilla PD has only one camera to do crime scene photos. I think this is sad and hope our term of Grand Jury changes this BUT my question is "WHO did the crime scene photos?"
This has bothered me since I learned of the one camera and if its not in the car that goes to the crime scene photos are not taken. I know we have the photos from Crime Library but are these the shots that were taken as crime scene photos? I am sure this has been addressed but I can't find it. I know this is not important for me to know but it is nagging at me. So if anyone can help please do.

i would imagine that if it was not in the car that responded to the call that they had it brought shortly thereafter. i would also venture to say that the gbi has their own set. jmo of course but it seems logical.

[mooloo]

I'm a little fuzzy here, but was the house ever declared a crime scene?

Originally posted by Merrick
IJM, I agree with your assessment of the GBI's involvement and that the OPD Chief is probably the best person to contact if you have any information about Tara. What I don't understand, given Tara's personal relationships with several LEOs, is why the GBI didn''t ask the FBI to get involved officially. JMHO.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by gacountry
Serving on this term of Irwin County Grand Jury, I have found the Ocilla PD has only one camera to do crime scene photos. I think this is sad and hope our term of Grand Jury changes this BUT my question is "WHO did the crime scene photos?"
This has bothered me since I learned of the one camera and if its not in the car that goes to the crime scene photos are not taken. I know we have the photos from Crime Library but are these the shots that were taken as crime scene photos? I am sure this has been addressed but I can't find it. I know this is not important for me to know but it is nagging at me. So if anyone can help please do.

The GBI did the investigation of the house so the GBI can answer this question. I would say who ever took the pictures was with GBI or some one local from either the Irwin County Sheriff's department or the Ocilla Police Department or some form of law-enforcement officer for these photos to have any bearing in a court case and be presented as professional LE gathered evidence. Shear stupidity to be done any other way.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by mooloo
I'm a little fuzzy here, but was the house ever declared a crime scene?



Mooloo not to my knowledge and according to what has been released by the LE/GBI there was no evidence found in the house to determine that a crime had been committed. MHOO

[gacountry]

Originally posted by readmylips


i would imagine that if it was not in the car that responded to the call that they had it brought shortly thereafter. i would also venture to say that the gbi has their own set. jmo of course but it seems logical.

Thank you, I did not know how this was done and did not Know until this term of Grand Jury we only had one camera! The comment that was made earlier about GBI calling in someone local to do the processing of the car is what reminded me of the photos of the house. I do not know IF the house was DECLARED a crime scene as the post by Mooloo asks BUT I would imagine as a scene of such interest by the Ocilla PD and GBI photos would have to have been taken. Just my thinking and all my own opinion.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by readmylips


i would imagine that if it was not in the car that responded to the call that they had it brought shortly thereafter. i would also venture to say that the gbi has their own set. jmo of course but it seems logical.

I agree that the GBI had their own camera. The following is on the GBI web page. Perry is a regional office and has their own crime scene agent equiped with the latest state of the art crime scene equipment. My lil ole brain just can not imagaine a camera not being among this equipment.

Crime Scene Specialist Section - Each of the GBI's regional offices is staffed with a Crime Scene Specialist. This special agent is equipped with the latest state-of-the-art crime scene processing gear and trained to use this equipment to identify, collect, forensically examine, and preserve physical evidence at crime scenes. Additionally, crime scene processing services are provided to five (5) metropolitan Atlanta counties- DeKalb, Fulton, Cobb, Clayton, and Gwinnett Counties- by GBI and FBI S/A Crime Scene Specialists assigned to the section's Metro Crime Scene Unit.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Merrick
IJM, I agree with your assessment of the GBI's involvement and that the OPD Chief is probably the best person to contact if you have any information about Tara. What I don't understand, given Tara's personal relationships with several LEOs, is why the GBI didn''t ask the FBI to get involved officially. JMHO.

DITTO!

Not only because of the particular personal relationships with several LEOs, let's not forget one of the POIs was ex-military

And what about the generic reason she lived so CLOSE to state lines

And her family/classmates/associates/aquaintences/even ex-students could have or did have ties to other states and...

THE GBI ONLY HAS JURISDICTION IN GA.

Gotta wonder...

Maybe the GBI could have been more efficient (with manpower, finances, and time) IF they had brought in the FBI very early on Tara's case.

Gee, I still wish the FBI could have processed the car, home, and her computer.

For some reason, I think that would have been a good thing.

And with the FBI in the mix, there would/could have been an obvious and very good check and balance to any impression of bias as well as putting an investigative body with lots of experience with missing persons.

Truely don't mean any disrespect, just thinking what is possible NOW. What can be done NOW. In that vein, I can't help but hope... even at this late hour

THE GBI WILL ASK THE FBI TO REVIEW ALL and HELP,

if the case is NOT COLD... why not? Seems a logical next step to me.

if the case is COLD...why not? If a continum of officers trained the same way review Tara's case IMO there is less likely going to be a new anomoly found. However, if officers trained differently examine the case, I am really hopeful something will be seen in a new light!

IF TARA IS HIDING, is it likely she is IN GA?

IF TARA WAS HARMED, is it ONLY POSSIBLE she is in GA?

ALL MOO of course.

:seeya:

[Its just me]

Originally posted by gacountry


Thank you, I did not know how this was done and did not Know until this term of Grand Jury we only had one camera! The comment that was made earlier about GBI calling in someone local to do the processing of the car is what reminded me of the photos of the house. I do not know IF the house was DECLARED a crime scene as the post by Mooloo asks BUT I would imagine as a scene of such interest by the Ocilla PD and GBI photos would have to have been taken. Just my thinking and all my own opinion.

The person called in to do the processing of the car was an LE officer who has special training in processing a scene. If the Ocilla Police Department has asked for additional needed equipment including a camera my hope is the Grand Jury will approve all request. Also my hope is the Grand Jury will work with both the Sheriff's Department and the Police Department to determine what additional equipment may or may not be needed. MHOO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Merrick
IJM, I agree with your assessment of the GBI's involvement and that the OPD Chief is probably the best person to contact if you have any information about Tara. What I don't understand, given Tara's personal relationships with several LEOs, is why the GBI didn''t ask the FBI to get involved officially. JMHO.

[[What I don't understand, given Tara's personal relationships with several LEOs, is why the GBI didn''t ask the FBI to get involved officially.]]

MHOO is the word "statistics" history will prove the GBI likes to wear their own crown. Many GBI involved unsolved murder cases and missing person’s cases in Georgia and I believe the FBI would help in all of them. Public records if anyone wants to search.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Its just me


[[What I don't understand, given Tara's personal relationships with several LEOs, is why the GBI didn''t ask the FBI to get involved officially.]]

MHOO is the word "statistics" history will prove the GBI likes to wear their own crown. Many GBI involved unsolved murder cases and missing person’s cases in Georgia and I believe the FBI would help in all of them. Public records if anyone wants to search.

Its just me,

Gotta ask - aren't some cases NOT YET PUBLIC RECORD because they are under the heading of GBI WORKING/ACTIVE CASES and these cases are shielded from freedom of information requests? They are not in the courts yet so there is no court record available... see my point?

I know many will hate this question but I am curious if it has legs -

Could the GBI keep a file tagged at ACTIVE simply to CONTAIN the records for their own internal reasons? IMO - it would take a legal eagle to really explain how this would/could work and if there is any check or balance to prevent it.

ALL MOO.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Its just me,

Gotta ask - aren't some cases NOT YET PUBLIC RECORD because they are under the heading of GBI WORKING/ACTIVE CASES and these cases are shielded from freedom of information requests? They are not in the courts yet so there is no court record available... see my point?

I know many will hate this question but I am curious if it has legs -

Could the GBI keep a file tagged at ACTIVE simply to CONTAIN the records for their own internal reasons? IMO - it would take a legal eagle to really explain how this would/could work and if there is any check or balance to prevent it.

ALL MOO.

You are correct all cases not closed there will be no public records available to the public as far as what was done in the investigation.

Your question if the GBI could keep a file tagged at Active to simply Contain the records for their own internal reasons.
MHOO is most definitely this can be done and probably has been done on more that one occasion. I have NO knowledge or never heard of any possible check and balance in Georgia to prevent this kind of activity among other things. My knowledge of the GBI is they do what ever in the H*** they want to do. (Excuse my French but it's just as I personally know things on more than one incidence)

However a case is not usually closed unless it is solved and the GBI determines if there is enough evidence for it to be solved in their lead investigations.

[One2Snoop]

Although this did not happen in GA, I do know of someone who had to sue in order to get records released from LE. The man kept getting the run around from LE telling him the investigation was still ongoing blah blah blah. I believe it was a year or more before he got the answers regarding the death of his son.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Merrick


Matt,

IIRC, The Freedom of Information Act applies to records maintained by federal agencies. GBI is a state run organization. I believe Georgia has a law called the Georgia Open Records Act that might apply to getting information about individual cases. The federal law has nine specific exemptions to the release info. I'd bet the GA law has similar exemptions. However, there may be loops holes in the law that would allow a citizen to obtain LE records. JMHO, not that familiar with state statutes. You could probably find out more if you have time to search on line.

Merrick-

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CORRECTING MY POST! I am so sorry, things around here have been very busy for a few months. I KNOW FED= FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT and GA = OPEN RECORDS ACT ( I even posted this stuff many many months ago here with links to the GA codes hoping to encourage locals to make the requests!). I should have been more careful with my posts.

I actually lived in GA for several years (it was the hardest time I ever endured- first heard of the DIXIE MAFIA at that time). I interacted with several retired and active GBI agents over those years. (the BIBLE says to seek wise counsel, I tried). I was encouraged to do MULTIPLE OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS, even took the extreme measure to meet with the then NEWLY CREATED AND APPOINTED INSPECTOR GENERAL (as I understand it GEN. Sehorn has left that position now). IMO- even with an Inspector General, the way it works in GA is STATE AGENCIES, especially the GBI are self-policing (pardon the pun); that is, unless someone can draw the attention of the federal government, the state of GA has no internal check and balance available for citizens who are caught between local and state agencies or between various state agencies who each want to defer to the other. It was maddening for us.

I recall I ran into the most difficulties where LE records were concerned - IMO, GA LE had(maybe still has) a systematic grab bag they used to prevent the public from getting their hands on records, and the GBI were the most proficient at it IMO! I recall all too well the conflicting information I was told by GBI and the local Sheriff (if I had not been raised by LE types and had a network to double back in place, I honestly don't know if I could have kept my sanity!). It was a horrible life lesson to realize I could not trust either. Trying to unravel it all and find any peace felt like I was climbing a vertical sheet a ice. We finally decided to LEAVE to find PEACE. I can't help but wonder if Billy and Connie Grinstead and the rest of Tara's family have endured anything akin to what I did.

GA IMO is a wonderful place filled with extraordinarily hard-working people BUT some of the rules/laws on the books IMO do not protect or defend the public. IMO they seem to allow those who are paid by tax dollars to have free rein to do what they want how they want when they want and NO ONE outside the agency has a chance to really get a handle on what occurred when. Repeatedly I was told the records I sought were exempted - and THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION HOW OR WHY (which I found very odd and highly frustrating). I was never sure what was driving it all- apathy or something more sinister.

When Tara vanished, I was drawn to her case for a number of reasons. IMO- now that she has been missing for over a year and the GBI as well as the Irwin Sheriff's department and the Ocilla Police Department have failed to find her , I think we would all be remiss if we did not include how the investigation to locate her occurred.

IMO - the FBI should have been on Tara's case a LONG LONG TIME AGO and SENATOR KINGSTON HAD A TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITY in JANUARY 2006- the local LE had called off all grid searches over 60 days- two months earlier- and a quarter of a year had lapsed without Tara being located. I kept thinking then and I do know -

WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN HIS DAUGHTER, SISTER, WIFE?
Would he and Gov. Perdue have been as satisfied with the investigation?

DUMMY ME, I even hoped (and prayed) someone like Senator Kingston or Gov. Perdue or someone with a great deal of media saavy like Ted Turner would take a look at Tara's case and take the steps to get the FBI on the case. I think today would be a great day to do it!


JUST MOO of course.

:seeya:

[Its just me]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Merrick-

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CORRECTING MY POST! I am so sorry, things around here have been very busy for a few months. I KNOW FED= FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT and GA = OPEN RECORDS ACT ( I even posted this stuff many many months ago here with links to the GA codes hoping to encourage locals to make the requests!). I should have been more careful with my posts.

I actually lived in GA for several years (it was the hardest time I ever endured- first heard of the DIXIE MAFIA at that time). I interacted with several retired and active GBI agents over those years. (the BIBLE says to seek wise counsel, I tried). I was encouraged to do MULTIPLE OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS, even took the extreme measure to meet with the then NEWLY CREATED AND APPOINTED INSPECTOR GENERAL (as I understand it GEN. Sehorn has left that position now). IMO- even with an Inspector General, the way it works in GA is STATE AGENCIES, especially the GBI are self-policing (pardon the pun); that is, unless someone can draw the attention of the federal government, the state of GA has no internal check and balance available for citizens who are caught between local and state agencies or between various state agencies who each want to defer to the other. It was maddening for us.

I recall I ran into the most difficulties where LE records were concerned - IMO, GA LE had(maybe still has) a systematic grab bag they used to prevent the public from getting their hands on records, and the GBI were the most proficient at it IMO! I recall all too well the conflicting information I was told by GBI and the local Sheriff (if I had not been raised by LE types and had a network to double back in place, I honestly don't know if I could have kept my sanity!). It was a horrible life lesson to realize I could not trust either. Trying to unravel it all and find any peace felt like I was climbing a vertical sheet a ice. We finally decided to LEAVE to find PEACE. I can't help but wonder if Billy and Connie Grinstead and the rest of Tara's family have endured anything akin to what I did.

GA IMO is a wonderful place filled with extraordinarily hard-working people BUT some of the rules/laws on the books IMO do not protect or defend the public. IMO they seem to allow those who are paid by tax dollars to have free rein to do what they want how they want when they want and NO ONE outside the agency has a chance to really get a handle on what occurred when. Repeatedly I was told the records I sought were exempted - and THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION HOW OR WHY (which I found very odd and highly frustrating). I was never sure what was driving it all- apathy or something more sinister.

When Tara vanished, I was drawn to her case for a number of reasons. IMO- now that she has been missing for over a year and the GBI as well as the Irwin Sheriff's department and the Ocilla Police Department have failed to find her , I think we would all be remiss if we did not include how the investigation to locate her occurred.

IMO - the FBI should have been on Tara's case a LONG LONG TIME AGO and SENATOR KINGSTON HAD A TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITY in JANUARY 2006- the local LE had called off all grid searches over 60 days- two months earlier- and a quarter of a year had lapsed without Tara being located. I kept thinking then and I do know -

WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN HIS DAUGHTER, SISTER, WIFE?
Would he and Gov. Perdue have been as satisfied with the investigation?

DUMMY ME, I even hoped (and prayed) someone like Senator Kingston or Gov. Perdue or someone with a great deal of media saavy like Ted Turner would take a look at Tara's case and take the steps to get the FBI on the case. I think today would be a great day to do it!


JUST MOO of course.

:seeya:

I agree 100% with everything you say especially your assessment of this great state of Georgia's GBI, and the Dixie Mafia continues to be strong. Sorry you had a bad experience living in Georgia but highly commend you for telling what you know and think. IJM

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by Its just me


The GBI did the investigation of the house so the GBI can answer this question. I would say who ever took the pictures was with GBI or some one local from either the Irwin County Sheriff's department or the Ocilla Police Department or some form of law-enforcement officer for these photos to have any bearing in a court case and be presented as professional LE gathered evidence. Shear stupidity to be done any other way.
I thought it was posted that a local took the photos. Are these posted online? If so, is the necklace shown in any of the photos?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by OhBrother

I thought it was posted that a local took the photos. Are these posted online? If so, is the necklace shown in any of the photos?

I don't think a local civilian took any investigation photo's. I think if it was posted someone was trying to take a personal jab at a local. GBI would have taken their own photo's or the local LE and I don't know of any being released to the public. There were photos taken by GretaVan Strusen and probably NC. Greta's photo's were at one time on her web site on fox news. There was a photo taken of Tara and I'm guessing it was at the pageant that will show the necklace. I have not seen another photo of the necklace.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by Its just me


I don't think a local civilian took any investigation photo's. I think if it was posted someone was trying to take a personal jab at a local. GBI would have taken their own photo's or the local LE and I don't know of any being released to the public. There were photos taken by GretaVan Strusen and probably NC. Greta's photo's were at one time on her web site on fox news. There was a photo taken of Tara and I'm guessing it was at the pageant that will show the necklace. I have not seen another photo of the necklace.
I don't understand why that would be a jab at a local... ??? In any case, I saw a photo online several months ago but cannot locate it just yet. There were several photos, but the one I viewed was a photo of a pair of shoes-- the pair that Tara had left on the floor I believe. It was obviously a crime scene photo because it was marked as such, and it was online at some point, so if anyone can direct us to those TIA.

[concernedperson]

I think the photo was taken at the Davis' home on the night Tara disappeared. This was the BBQ. This is the establishment of what she wore and what jewelry she had on.

As far as GBI, no way would a civilian take photos of a suspected crime scene or even an unsuspected crime scene.The official cameras were GBI. That I am sure of.

The governor is aware of this case. I fully expect that FBI is involved too. But, I have no official knowledge to share. Just a gut feeling.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

I don't understand why that would be a jab at a local... ??? In any case, I saw a photo online several months ago but cannot locate it just yet. There were several photos, but the one I viewed was a photo of a pair of shoes-- the pair that Tara had left on the floor I believe. It was obviously a crime scene photo because it was marked as such, and it was online at some point, so if anyone can direct us to those TIA.

i doubt very seriously that crime scene photos have been published anywhere. i think you may be remembering wrong. yes, there was a photo of the shoes but not a crime scene photo.

[concernedperson]

Photos taken after were Greta and Nancy show's. How was this presented? I don't know, but it wasn't official GBI or FBI or OCPD photos. It was entertainment and provided by someone who wanted to present a picture. JMO.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


i doubt very seriously that crime scene photos have been published anywhere. i think you may be remembering wrong. yes, there was a photo of the shoes but not a crime scene photo.
Where did you see a photo of the shoes? The one I saw was marked as a crime scene photo. I'd like to see the one you are talking about to determine if it is the same shoes. TIA.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Where did you see a photo of the shoes? The one I saw was marked as a crime scene photo. I'd like to see the one you are talking about to determine if it is the same shoes. TIA.

where is the one you saw?

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Photos taken after were Greta and Nancy show's. How was this presented? I don't know, but it wasn't official GBI or FBI or OCPD photos. It was entertainment and provided by someone who wanted to present a picture. JMO.
It wasn't on TV, it was on the Internet. Did you see the photos I was speaking of? I understood that a local person took photos INSIDE the house (not the photos of the house on the outside). Why is this such a difficult question to answer? I totally understand if all of the photos can't be VIEWED, but I do know I saw some of them posted at one time, but cannot recall WHERE it was. I remember specifically the shoe photo. It was taken of the shoes AS they were FOUND. It was marked as a CS photo. This is not my opinion, it is fact. I saw it.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


where is the one you saw?
Re-read my post earlier. I saw it online but cannot locate it right now, so I don't know just yet the "place" I saw it. I'm looking for it now.

Where is the one you saw?? Can you give a link? If it's not the same photo, or even if it is, that would answer my question about it. TIA.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Re-read my post earlier. I saw it online but cannot locate it right now, so I don't know just yet the "place" I saw it. I'm looking for it now.

Where is the one you saw?? Can you give a link? If it's not the same photo, or even if it is, that would answer my question about it. TIA.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,701,00.html#4_0

i think you are remembering wrong. not a crime scene photo.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,701,00.html#4_0

i think you are remembering wrong. not a crime scene photo.

That's not the photo I saw. But thanks for the link.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother


That's not the photo I saw. But thanks for the link.

well, poet, until you are able to provide a link to or a copy of the image you claim to have been a crime scene photo i have to declare that claim baseless.

[odette]

Originally posted by readmylips


http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,701,00.html#4_0

i think you are remembering wrong. not a crime scene photo.

There haven't been ANY LE photo's released IIRC. I think that she, (ohbrother) is totally confused. The only other photo which I have seen on the Internet of Tara's shoes, was the one taken by AMW. This pic of the shoes was taken earlier than the gretapix.

ohbrother needs to get her facts straight.

IMO

[readmylips]

Originally posted by odette


There haven't been ANY LE photo's released IIRC. I think that she, (ohbrother) is totally confused. The only other photo which I have seen on the Internet of Tara's shoes, was the one taken by AMW. This pic of the shoes was taken earlier than the gretapix.

ohbrother needs to get her facts straight.

IMO

confused or attempting to delude others?

[odette]

Originally posted by readmylips


confused or attempting to delude others?

I would be inclined to go with the latter.

Same ol', same ol', ya know ;)


IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by odette


There haven't been ANY LE photo's released IIRC. I think that she, (ohbrother) is totally confused. The only other photo which I have seen on the Internet of Tara's shoes, was the one taken by AMW. This pic of the shoes was taken earlier than the gretapix.

ohbrother needs to get her facts straight.

IMO

Exactly. Also, the two pictures IMO looked different. The one photos of the shoes shows IIRC hair scrunches, or hair bands, and other items as to the next photo we see of the shoes it seems like those things were gone from the first picture. I could be wrong but IIRC that is what I remembered. If I am wrong by all means please correct me. JMHO

[odette]

Originally posted by Results


Exactly. Also, the two pictures IMO looked different. The one photos of the shoes shows IIRC hair scrunches, or hair bands, and other items as to the next photo we see of the shoes it seems like those things were gone from the first picture. I could be wrong but IIRC that is what I remembered. If I am wrong by all means please correct me. JMHO

The AMW photo, which was taken first, had more things on the floor, surrounding Tara's shoes and the photo of the shoes taken at a later date by the FOX/greta camera crew, showed a relatively clean floor beside the shoes.

IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by odette


The AMW photo, which was taken first, had more things on the floor, surrounding Tara's shoes and the photo of the shoes taken at a later date by the FOX/greta camera crew, showed a relatively clean floor beside the shoes.

IMO

Thank you. I appreciate you confirming it for me. I had always remembered that the surroundings in the photos of the shoes were different. JMHO

[odette]

Originally posted by Results


Thank you. I appreciate you confirming it for me. I had always remembered that the surroundings in the photos of the shoes were different. JMHO

YW.

FWIW, the only photos that I have EVER seen on the Internet, pertaining to Tara, with the word "crime" mentioned on them, are the "crimelibrary" photos. I really don't know what Ohbrother's agenda is, trying to get us to believe that there are LE "crimesecene" photo's floating around on the net, but I suspect that it will have something to do with some kind of derailment/lead everyone astray attempt.

IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by odette


YW.

FWIW, the only photos that I have EVER seen on the Internet, pertaining to Tara, with the word "crime" mentioned on them, are the "crimelibrary" photos. I really don't know what Ohbrother's agenda is, trying to get us to believe that there are LE "crimesecene" photo's floating around on the net, but I suspect that it will have something to do with some kind of derailment/lead everyone astray attempt.

IMO

So true and this is why this case is so sad! JMHO

[Its just me]

I don't believe any pictures of shoes or anything else was on the internet saying "crime scene" unless they were gotten from the newsreporters and added to a link and crime scene was added by some DAJA. There has never been a CRIME SCENE determined to be in the house or anywhere for that matter. MHOO

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


well, poet, until you are able to provide a link to or a copy of the image you claim to have been a crime scene photo i have to declare that claim baseless.

readmylips, are you this vile and nasty to every poster who asks a simple question? I'm shocked at your reaction to a simple inquiry! Didn't realize that makes me a "poet", but hey I'm cool with that unless that's a new slang word or somethin'

ANYWAY----------you have been oh so very helpful (not!) but that really was NOT the pic I saw online and the one I saw online was marked "CRIME SCENE PHOTO" whether you believe it or not I really don't care because you were not the one that viewed it. I was.

There is really no need for you to reply to anymore of my posts since for some reason you have a really nasty attitude or maybe you're just an unhappy person in general I dunno.
:shrug:

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by Its just me
I don't believe any pictures of shoes or anything else was on the internet saying "crime scene" unless they were gotten from the newsreporters and added to a link and crime scene was added by some DAJA. There has never been a CRIME SCENE determined to be in the house or anywhere for that matter. MHOO
Hey, I can't help it if someone DID mark it "CRIME SCENE PHOTO" if it really was NOT (that's their problem not mine), but I know what I saw and have no reason to make it up thank you very much.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by odette


YW.

FWIW, the only photos that I have EVER seen on the Internet, pertaining to Tara, with the word "crime" mentioned on them, are the "crimelibrary" photos. I really don't know what Ohbrother's agenda is, trying to get us to believe that there are LE "crimesecene" photo's floating around on the net, but I suspect that it will have something to do with some kind of derailment/lead everyone astray attempt.

IMO
Hey Odette I don't know who you are and don't care, but just so you'll know, I DID see the photo marked that way. If someone else marked it and posted it, then I have no control over that now do I? How can anyone say somethng doesn't "exist" just because THEY didn't see it. That's stupid. I know what I saw. FACT. Sorry you are so angry.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Hey, I can't help it if someone DID mark it "CRIME SCENE PHOTO" if it really was NOT (that's their problem not mine), but I know what I saw and have no reason to make it up thank you very much.

OB I did not say you did not see a photo marked crime scene. I said I think if a picture was on the net marked crime scene if was added to the net by some DAJA who added the crime scene. I don't dispute you saw this. I have said many thing on this board where I was not believed and it's not fun and I certainly don't want to be guilty of saying you did not see this. If my post was unclear I am sorry.. it was not my intention to say you did not see the photo.

[odette]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Hey, I can't help it if someone DID mark it "CRIME SCENE PHOTO" if it really was NOT (that's their problem not mine), but I know what I saw and have no reason to make it up thank you very much.

NOPE .. No LE photo floating around on the Internet, of Tara's shoes, marked "crime scene photo". No way, No how. End of story.

Get your facts straight OhBrother.


IMO

[readmylips]

i'm sorry if you find me to be vile and nasty. i have simply responded to your posts with my opinions and what i know from my own experiences.

there are many people here who have followed this case all along. they are versed in what has been said and what photos havebeen shared. considering that not one among them has stepped forward to say yes, i saw that photo too i just cannot accept that you are remembering correctly. you may really believe you saw a crime scene photo but unless you are able to produce it i will never believe that you are remembering correctly. there is nothing vile or nasty about that. it's called logic.

you can't be sensitive and post on a crime forum. i learned that a lot time ago. you'd do yourself well to toughen up and understand that anything you say has great potential for being disputed. that's the way this type of thing seems to work and the sooner you realize it the sooner you will be able to be a productive part of the discussion imo.

Originally posted by OhBrother


readmylips, are you this vile and nasty to every poster who asks a simple question? I'm shocked at your reaction to a simple inquiry! Didn't realize that makes me a "poet", but hey I'm cool with that unless that's a new slang word or somethin'

ANYWAY----------you have been oh so very helpful (not!) but that really was NOT the pic I saw online and the one I saw online was marked "CRIME SCENE PHOTO" whether you believe it or not I really don't care because you were not the one that viewed it. I was.

There is really no need for you to reply to anymore of my posts since for some reason you have a really nasty attitude or maybe you're just an unhappy person in general I dunno.
:shrug:

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips
i'm sorry if you find me to be vile and nasty. i have simply responded to your posts with my opinions and what i know from my own experiences.

there are many people here who have followed this case all along. they are versed in what has been said and what photos havebeen shared. considering that not one among them has stepped forward to say yes, i saw that photo too i just cannot accept that you are remembering correctly. you may really believe you saw a crime scene photo but unless you are able to produce it i will never believe that you are remembering correctly. there is nothing vile or nasty about that. it's called logic.

you can't be sensitive and post on a crime forum. i learned that a lot time ago. you'd do yourself well to toughen up and understand that anything you say has great potential for being disputed. that's the way this type of thing seems to work and the sooner you realize it the sooner you will be able to be a productive part of the discussion imo.


I am certain I saw the photo. Sorry you missed it.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

I am certain I saw the photo. Sorry you missed it.

me and everyone else.

[One2Snoop]

I have searched high and low, used every search engine and word combination I can think of and I've not been able to locate the photo of the shoes marked with "crime scene photo" on it. I was able to find the others that are linked above. :shrug:

movin' on......

[readmylips]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
I have searched high and low, used every search engine and word combination I can think of and I've not been able to locate the photo of the shoes marked with "crime scene photo" on it. I was able to find the others that are linked above. :shrug:

movin' on......

wait for me! i'm moving along with you.

i had a thought while i was viewing the threads today. i noticed that the last poster listed on every thread that was visible to me was ohbrother. it reminded me of a time when another poster used to do that. they would go in and make little comments here and there on every thread and even pull up old ones from bygones trying to drive the conversation into a frenzy of delusion. once they were the last poster on the whole page worth of threads. it was kind of obsessive behavior iirc. who was that? let me think hard.

oh yeah! i remember! justice4tara! that's who it was! :rolleyes:

[fsbiii]

Precious memories, how they linger
How they ever flood my soul
In the stillness of the midnight
Precious, sacred scenes unfold.

Originally posted by readmylips

oh yeah! i remember! justice4tara! that's who it was! :rolleyes:

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by readmylips


wait for me! i'm moving along with you.

i had a thought while i was viewing the threads today. i noticed that the last poster listed on every thread that was visible to me was ohbrother. it reminded me of a time when another poster used to do that. they would go in and make little comments here and there on every thread and even pull up old ones from bygones trying to drive the conversation into a frenzy of delusion. once they were the last poster on the whole page worth of threads. it was kind of obsessive behavior iirc. who was that? let me think hard.

oh yeah! i remember! justice4tara! that's who it was! :rolleyes:

I think that was the same one to offer a poem for Laci Peterson to endear herself to Sharon. Some people like to inject themselves as spokespeople for families. Some others are really good penpals for prison inmates. Not sure exactly where this one falls but it isn't for Tara.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
I have searched high and low, used every search engine and word combination I can think of and I've not been able to locate the photo of the shoes marked with "crime scene photo" on it. I was able to find the others that are linked above. :shrug:

movin' on......
Does google work for searching the photo galleries someone might have on a yahoo account? I got a PM telling me it was in one of those. I saw the photo, so I really don't care if you people choose to believe it or not. If it was a "doctored" photo (as you imply it had to be, in order to be marked "crime scene") then whoever has it in their gallery would know about that. At this point, it appears many of you are for whatever reason going to great lengths to cover up the existence of such a photo. Why? Did one of YOU "doctor" the photo???

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Does google work for searching the photo galleries someone might have on a yahoo account? I got a PM telling me it was in one of those. I saw the photo, so I really don't care if you people choose to believe it or not. If it was a "doctored" photo (as you imply it had to be, in order to be marked "crime scene") then whoever has it in their gallery would know about that. At this point, it appears many of you are for whatever reason going to great lengths to cover up the existence of such a photo. Why? Did one of YOU "doctor" the photo???

:lol:

[fsbiii]

What photo? Can you remember the Yahoo! account you saw it in? Can you provide anything factual to back up this photo you (and only you) seem to know about? It makes no sense to go on and on about something that apparently does not exist in anyone's world but yours. What's your goal here?

Originally posted by OhBrother

Does google work for searching the photo galleries someone might have on a yahoo account? I got a PM telling me it was in one of those. I saw the photo, so I really don't care if you people choose to believe it or not. If it was a "doctored" photo (as you imply it had to be, in order to be marked "crime scene") then whoever has it in their gallery would know about that. At this point, it appears many of you are for whatever reason going to great lengths to cover up the existence of such a photo. Why? Did one of YOU "doctor" the photo???

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by fsbiii
What photo? Can you remember the Yahoo! account you saw it in? Can you provide anything factual to back up this photo you (and only you) seem to know about? It makes no sense to go on and on about something that apparently does not exist in anyone's world but yours. What's your goal here?


The PM said "fsb_law" but the photo is not there. It's probably been moved.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

The PM said "fsb_law" but the photo is not there. It's probably been moved.

uh huh. the pm? one of your imaginary friends pm'd you about it but is not behind you enough to post about it? is that what you're saying? um ok. :rolleyes:

[fsbiii]

Predictable.

Liar.

Gibberish.

Go back to your hole.

Originally posted by OhBrother

The PM said "fsb_law" but the photo is not there. It's probably been moved.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Predictable.

Liar.

Gibberish.

Go back to your hole.



are some medlines are in order?

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Predictable.

Liar.

Gibberish.

Go back to your hole.


No really, it's NOT there. Go look for yourself and you'll see it isn't.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


uh huh. the pm? one of your imaginary friends pm'd you about it but is not behind you enough to post about it? is that what you're saying? um ok. :rolleyes:

We're not supposed to post private messages on the board.
:no:

[fsbiii]

There is no such picture, idiot.

Why do you get off on playing games? Do you even care that a person is missing? I wish you would write a poem and start sucking the blood out of another case...

What a waste.

Originally posted by OhBrother

No really, it's NOT there. Go look for yourself and you'll see it isn't.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by OhBrother


Do you not realize that we can see thru you like a window pane? You are one sick psycho!

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


are some medlines are in order?
Sorry, I don't do drugs. They destroy your brain cells and make you crazy and pathetic and capable of all sorts of things. Maybe even murder. There sure have been an awful lot of drug busts in Ocilla lately I notice.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother


We're not supposed to post private messages on the board.
:no:

my POINT is: you now expect it to be believed that "someone" pm'd you to support the supposed sighting of the elusive crime scene photo but they won't post on the board itself in support of you to back you up? um. ok.

now, here's an idea for you, go set up a new email account, register a new nic and post in support of your own rambling. no one will buy that either but it might make you feel better.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Sorry, I don't do drugs. They destroy your brain cells and make you crazy and pathetic and capable of all sorts of things. Maybe even murder. There sure have been an awful lot of drug busts in Ocilla lately I notice.

there are some very good prescriptions that may help. ;)

[fsbiii]

I'd need at least 2000.

Originally posted by readmylips


are some medlines are in order?

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


there are some very good prescriptions that may help. ;)

Well maybe you can try some then. Just don't mix it with your ginger ale. It could give you a tummy ache.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother


Well maybe you can try some then. Just don't mix it with your ginger ale. It could give you a tummy ache.

it must be a lonely place for you these days. all of your friends have abandoned you huh? i bet some dont even return your emails anymore. does that make you wonder why? i could tell you why but you wouldn't believe me.

maybe they will reconsider and welcome you back.

in the meantime, lets get back to the discussion at hand. ok?

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips


it must be a lonely place for you these days. all of your friends have abandoned you huh? i bet some dont even return your emails anymore. does that make you wonder why? i could tell you why but you wouldn't believe me.

maybe they will reconsider and welcome you back.

in the meantime, lets get back to the discussion at hand. ok?
I have to say, you are a very strange poster....LOL WOW, and all this hatred because I saw a photo you weren't privy to? LOL...

RML, maybe you should just relax and take a coffee break, maybe have a cigarette if you happen to smoke, and come back when you're feeling refreshed and less hateful. Do something wild and crazy and just have some fun for a change.

You seem the type that would maybe do something unique in your spare time. Like have sex with a goat or something.

:biggrin:

[fsbiii]

Now, now. Don't be pushin' that Alabama social life on others... be nice or be gone, ya hear.

Originally posted by OhBrother

I have to say, you are a very strange poster....LOL WOW, and all this hatred because I saw a photo you weren't privy to? LOL...

RML, maybe you should just relax and take a coffee break, maybe have a cigarette if you happen to smoke, and come back when you're feeling refreshed and less hateful. Do something wild and crazy and just have some fun for a change.

You seem the type that would maybe do something unique in your spare time. Like have sex with a goat or something.

:biggrin:

[janis]

Freshwater....time to do your thang...........:seeya:

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Now, now. Don't be pushin' that Alabama social life on others... be nice or be gone, ya hear.


Yeah, I think they DO have that sorta thing going on in Alabama. Wasn't there a big party at Cumberland one year?
:D

[fsbiii]

I love you stalkin' types. You have no life, obviously. I would be scared, but I can't stop laughing at your level of immaturity and obsessiveness. Will you ever stop? What is it that makes you keep on attacking people and playing like this? You are beyond sick and beyond help, I fear. Grow up and go away, please.

Originally posted by OhBrother

Yeah, I think they DO have that sorta thing going on in Alabama. Wasn't there a big party at Cumberland one year?
:D

[readmylips]

hatred? no hatred from me.

reread your post. now that might be called hatred. at best it is lacking in class.

sorry your friends don't welcome you in the fold anymore. it isn't my fault that happened to you. maybe it is time for a reassessment of motives and methods? maybe you have a chance at reinitiation with some good behavior under your belt?

it's worth a try. :)

Originally posted by OhBrother

I have to say, you are a very strange poster....LOL WOW, and all this hatred because I saw a photo you weren't privy to? LOL...

RML, maybe you should just relax and take a coffee break, maybe have a cigarette if you happen to smoke, and come back when you're feeling refreshed and less hateful. Do something wild and crazy and just have some fun for a change.

You seem the type that would maybe do something unique in your spare time. Like have sex with a goat or something.

:biggrin:

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

:lol:

You'd know about stalking now wouldn't you?
:D

Dang it, I hate it when I can't put my hands on the link I need! It's something about a Federal thing, crossing state lines or something, I forget, but it's serious jail time. So I'd watch it if I were you, because you've got a little shred of hope left... but your friends? Too late for them. Those separate counts REALLY add up too! It's amazing when you do the math. Simply AMAZING.

But then...you know that too don't you?

See you later friend.
:rose:

i'd love nothing more than for you to put your money where your mouth is and do something real with the threats you resort to when the truth starts getting too close to you. the fact is that you're a chicken. the only way you can spout your trash is behind an anonymous nic. no one cares about the drivel and even though we indulge in the little pit and pat with you - we haven't forgotten the subject nor have we forgotten the subjects that you work so hard to detract from. it only calls more attention to them.

truth. try it.

if you wanted some truth you would seek it out instead of carrying on like an idiot and spouting irrational things.

you really are amusing.

[readmylips]

oh don't you just hate it when you change your mind about a post and then find out someone has already quoted it and commited it to cache?

even a request to delte it now won't make it go away.

good try though.

[fsbiii]

Did OhSister actually type that trash and delete it? Hilarious! More of that bait and see crap she's so famous for... what a reputation. I know her mama's proud.

Originally posted by readmylips


i'd love nothing more than for you to put your money where your mouth is and do something real with the threats you resort to when the truth starts getting too close to you. the fact is that you're a chicken. the only way you can spout your trash is behind an anonymous nic. no one cares about the drivel and even though we indulge in the little pit and pat with you - we haven't forgotten the subject nor have we forgotten the subjects that you work so hard to detract from. it only calls more attention to them.

truth. try it.

if you wanted some truth you would seek it out instead of carrying on like an idiot and spouting irrational things.

you really are amusing.

[OhBrother]

LOLOL fsbiii. You'd certainly know about stalking wouldn't you?
:D

Did you read my other post? I hope you got my message about the Federal stuff and passed it on to your friends before it's too late for them.

Wait. It's already too late.
;)

Fsbiii....there's still hope for you. Walk into the light. If nothing else, think of your family. Walk into the light.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips
oh don't you just hate it when you change your mind about a post and then find out someone has already quoted it and commited it to cache?

even a request to delte it now won't make it go away.

good try though.
And don't you just hate it when someone does exactly what you wanted them to?
:hat:

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by OhBrother
LOLOL fsbiii. You'd certainly know about stalking wouldn't you?
:D

Did you read my other post? I hope you got my message about the Federal stuff and passed it on to your friends before it's too late for them.

Wait. It's already too late.
;)

Fsbiii....there's still hope for you. Walk into the light. If nothing else, think of your family. Walk into the light.
.

[fsbiii]

Please leave my family out of this. You are a horrible person, that's obvious to anyone who's followed your body count on this forum since last year. I really wish you would disappear for good. If only CTV could ban like TalkTara did... the world would be a much cleaner place. Goodnight, wench.

Originally posted by OhBrother
LOLOL fsbiii. You'd certainly know about stalking wouldn't you?
:D

Did you read my other post? I hope you got my message about the Federal stuff and passed it on to your friends before it's too late for them.

Wait. It's already too late.
;)

Fsbiii....there's still hope for you. Walk into the light. If nothing else, think of your family. Walk into the light.

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

And don't you just hate it when someone does exactly what you wanted them to?
:hat:

uh huh. tell yourself that. it will make yourself feel better i am sure.

:lol:

[fsbiii]

Oh, that's the ticket. You intentionally (and quickly) deleted your ridiculous post so that someone would be able to catch it in a reply.... yeah, that makes sense... yeah, real good sense.

Get your pills refilled quick.

Originally posted by OhBrother

And don't you just hate it when someone does exactly what you wanted them to?
:hat:

[readmylips]

if you are really here for tara and you really want to see her found and justice served if she has been harmed then why not speak clearly?

go ahead and tell us what it is that fsbiii's friends have supposedly done. let's just crack this case and hold people accountable. since you obviously think you know something important than go ahead and spill it.

you won't. and you know why? coz you know it's a lie. delusion.

do you just enjoy the delusion or are you involved in tara's disappearance and trying desperately to draw attention somewhere else?



Originally posted by OhBrother
LOLOL fsbiii. You'd certainly know about stalking wouldn't you?
:D

Did you read my other post? I hope you got my message about the Federal stuff and passed it on to your friends before it's too late for them.

Wait. It's already too late.
;)

Fsbiii....there's still hope for you. Walk into the light. If nothing else, think of your family. Walk into the light.

[Lindsey]

That looked like a threat to me. The post has been saved, Oh Brother Oh Sister. It's your post and you can deal with it. I am reporting you!

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by Lindsey
That looked like a threat to me. The post has been saved, Oh Brother Oh Sister. It's your post and you can deal with it. I am reporting you!
Thank you Lindsey.

[OhBrother]

Originally posted by readmylips
if you are really here for tara and you really want to see her found and justice served if she has been harmed then why not speak clearly?

go ahead and tell us what it is that fsbiii's friends have supposedly done. let's just crack this case and hold people accountable. since you obviously think you know something important than go ahead and spill it.

you won't. and you know why? coz you know it's a lie. delusion.

do you just enjoy the delusion or are you involved in tara's disappearance and trying desperately to draw attention somewhere else?




Wow! What an amazing theory! Nice try too!
:D

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother

Wow! What an amazing theory! Nice try too!
:D

oh i knew full well you wouldn't step up to the plate before i posted it. i just wanted to make sure everyone else realizes the truth of the matter.

if you had something real to talk about you would.

you don't and you won't.

sad but true.

[OhBrother]

See you tomorrow! Everyone play nice and don't break any [more] laws okay?

Fsbiii, remember, walk into the light.

:seeya:

[readmylips]

Originally posted by OhBrother
See you tomorrow! Everyone play nice and don't break any [more] laws okay?

Fsbiii, remember, walk into the light.

:seeya:

what laws have been broken ohbother?

[mooloo]

And how does slime like that get past the admin? Where did I leave that Ignore button???




Originally posted by Merrick


The only law that I can see that has been broken is the law of nature. OhBrother is clearly a violation of nature. Sounds like so many other nics that have crawled onto these boards in the last month. What is up with that?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by OhBrother
See you tomorrow! Everyone play nice and don't break any [more] laws okay?

Fsbiii, remember, walk into the light.

:seeya:

Instead of all of the cryptic messages and silly threats, why don't you just come out with what you are trying to say and stop playing games. If you can't produce this picture, I will have to assume that this is just another game in an attempt to derail a thread. Along the same lines, if you had a pm that would back your position I don't believe you would hesitate to break the rules and post it, as the rules at ctv don't seem to be a concern of yours.

[fsbiii]

...because they know if they cross the line, their asses will get pinned to the wall like a donkey at a 4 year old's birthday party. It's some kind of sick orgasmic release for these 2-3 ladies to get on here and stroke each others' egos with their nasty, vile, childish games. I still say it's just a reflection of their lack of emotion, self-esteem, family involvement, etc. It's a textbook diagnosis, really. They have nothing to do with Tara's case and could care less about solving it. They make up lies, create delusional topics, defame people through implication, etc. This is their daily exercise in making themselves feel like they are important or have meaning in this world. Truth is, they don't and never will.

That was all my opinion, of course.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups


Instead of all of the cryptic messages and silly threats, why don't you just come out with what you are trying to say and stop playing games. If you can't produce this picture, I will have to assume that this is just another game in an attempt to derail a thread. Along the same lines, if you had a pm that would back your position I don't believe you would hesitate to break the rules and post it, as the rules at ctv don't seem to be a concern of yours.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by OhBrother
See you tomorrow! Everyone play nice and don't break any [more] laws okay?

Fsbiii, remember, walk into the light.

:seeya:

Inserting yourself in a case to create havoc is especially demeaning to the victim. The only reason you are here is to elevate your own image as IMO you believe the attention you receive is somehow related to your importence. It is not.

Your whole effort to deflect attention to yourself and your inane banter has become tiresome and extremely repetitive. You say the same things over and over. I believe OCD is very treatable and I urge you to seek help. Your life could take a turnaround and you might actually start to enjoy it.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
...because they know if they cross the line, their asses will get pinned to the wall like a donkey at a 4 year old's birthday party. It's some kind of sick orgasmic release for these 2-3 ladies to get on here and stroke each others' egos with their nasty, vile, childish games. I still say it's just a reflection of their lack of emotion, self-esteem, family involvement, etc. It's a textbook diagnosis, really. They have nothing to do with Tara's case and could care less about solving it. They make up lies, create delusional topics, defame people through implication, etc. This is their daily exercise in making themselves feel like they are important or have meaning in this world. Truth is, they don't and never will.

That was all my opinion, of course.

They walk the line just about every day and imo they have crossed that line several times. I certainly hope that they will be held accountable for their behavior. It doesn't make sense nor is it necessary. If this is supposed to be about Tara for them, then why so little discussion in that regard, why the behavior in the name of Tara, why all the accusations and