Karla PASSPORT INFORMATION UPDATE

[Bello]

Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

[Anthea Delano]

I pray that K, not only does not get her restrictions removed, but she gets sent back to prison where she belongs. I pray that no other child is hurt by K.

[anovellady]

Originally posted by Bello
Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

Bello, I don't understand you. Would you free Paul Bernardo and give him another chance? From all that I have read, Karla was a willing partner to these crimes. She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife. She is not weak or submissive, this is clear in her own writings. Do you know her and so perhaps see her in a different light. Wouldn't you be a little nervous to leave her alone with your own beautiful daughter,niece or neighbor?

anovellady

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by anovellady


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She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife.

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anovellady

Other than the scars, lumps, bruises, clumps of missing hair, racoon eyes, the fact that the doctor she finally saw said it was the worst case of domestic abuse he'd ever seen in 10 years of practice, and the fact that she was made to sleep on the floor beside the bed for her entire marriage.

Just to name a few.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady


Bello, I don't understand you. Would you free Paul Bernardo and give him another chance? From all that I have read, Karla was a willing partner to these crimes. She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife. She is not weak or submissive, this is clear in her own writings. Do you know her and so perhaps see her in a different light. Wouldn't you be a little nervous to leave her alone with your own beautiful daughter,niece or neighbor?

anovellady

I would be nervous leaving her with my teenage daughter for sure. You'd have to be an idiot not to.

Paul should never see the outside of a prison again, pure and simple. He's a sick sick sick man.

Karla was abused pretty badly, truth be told. Severely. I know there are pictures online to prove it. However, I don't think that justifies her behaviors with the victims in any way. She had choices to make and made all the wrong ones. Instead of helping, she helped hurt. Instead of leaving, she stayed and participated and only she knows why. She was a victim of a sadist yes, but she still had her own mind, her own choices and she blew it big time. Now, she's suffering those consequences.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady


Bello, I don't understand you. Would you free Paul Bernardo and give him another chance? From all that I have read, Karla was a willing partner to these crimes. She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife. She is not weak or submissive, this is clear in her own writings. Do you know her and so perhaps see her in a different light. Wouldn't you be a little nervous to leave her alone with your own beautiful daughter,niece or neighbor?

anovellady

She isn't weak and submissive now, years after the fact, right. I do think, under Paul's influence, she had to have been. People who know her have told of the abuse he inflicted on her and her reactions to how he treated her which were extremely submissive...I only know of one case where she showed any strength with him and it's funny, because it was about her champagne flutes and her anger at his using them.

[anovellady]

From what I have read, I was only aware of the one instance of abuse and that is when Karla reported Paul for the crimes. I understand abusive relationships and most times the woman is in fear of the man being freed and able to harm her but in this case, Paul would not have been able to get her since he was a serial rapist. I am talking about in the beginning before they were even married. I would think that the death of her own sister would have prompted Karla to report Paul to the police, even if she did it without giving her name. Any evidence linking him to the crimes would have saved herself as well as the other victims. I know that Karla said there was more abuse but only once was this obvious. I welcome your opinions, we all see things from different angles.

anovellady

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady
From what I have read, I was only aware of the one instance of abuse and that is when Karla reported Paul for the crimes. I understand abusive relationships and most times the woman is in fear of the man being freed and able to harm her but in this case, Paul would not have been able to get her since he was a serial rapist. I am talking about in the beginning before they were even married. I would think that the death of her own sister would have prompted Karla to report Paul to the police, even if she did it without giving her name. Any evidence linking him to the crimes would have saved herself as well as the other victims. I know that Karla said there was more abuse but only once was this obvious. I welcome your opinions, we all see things from different angles.

anovellady

One of my major problems was her insistence that she'd done it because she had to or she'd be beaten. Since this was so early on, her sister's rape and murder, I mean, I don't buy that as an excuse. She was still surrounded by family and not even married to him at the time, so the abuse excuse doesn't wash. As time went on, I think it had to have played a role, just not sure how much a role it played, really. I think she's very complicated and suffers from some disorder that made her engage in what she did not so unwillingly. There's been stuff thrown out there, like hystiobrile and BPD. I'm not sure, but I don't see her as purely psychopathic like Paul and I'm sure he had a lot of influence on her over time. I agree, though, the Tammy thing defies logic and can't be explained away by abuse.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


One of my major problems was her insistence that she'd done it because she had to or she'd be beaten. Since this was so early on, her sister's rape and murder, I mean, I don't buy that as an excuse. She was still surrounded by family and not even married to him at the time, so the abuse excuse doesn't wash. As time went on, I think it had to have played a role, just not sure how much a role it played, really. I think she's very complicated and suffers from some disorder that made her engage in what she did not so unwillingly. There's been stuff thrown out there, like hystiobrile and BPD. I'm not sure, but I don't see her as purely psychopathic like Paul and I'm sure he had a lot of influence on her over time. I agree, though, the Tammy thing defies logic and can't be explained away by abuse.

Absolutely, the sister episode doesn't fit.

I would like to see a flow chart of the ages of the women PB raped prior to the attack on Tammy. Wasn't PB's MO to stalk the women at bus stops?

When did he become interested in young women? Did it start with Tammy?

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by northernrflxn

Other than the scars, lumps, bruises, clumps of missing hair, racoon eyes, the fact that the doctor she finally saw said it was the worst case of domestic abuse he'd ever seen in 10 years of practice, and the fact that she was made to sleep on the floor beside the bed for her entire marriage.

Just to name a few.

Wow! One trip to the emergency room for which she had to be dragged kicking and screaming!

Karla "made her bed" so "she slept in it" ~ on the floor! Too bad! So sad! Boo Hoo!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Bello
Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

I AM GOING TO PRAY THAT KARLA'S RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT REMOVED. AS LONG AS KARLA AND PAUL ARE ALIVE, NO ONE IS GOING TO "PUT THIS STORY BEHIND THEM AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS."

A MEETING BETWEEN THE "G'S" AND THE "NG'S" IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE HEARING ABOUT IT ON THE 11:00 P.M. NEWS!

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT KARLA AND PAUL HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR MY ATTITUDE!

JMO AND MOO!!

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


I AM GOING TO PRAY THAT KARLA'S RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT REMOVED. AS LONG AS KARLA AND PAUL ARE ALIVE, NO ONE IS GOING TO "PUT THIS STORY BEHIND THEM AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS."

A MEETING BETWEEN THE "G'S" AND THE "NG'S" IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE HEARING ABOUT IT ON THE 11:00 P.M. NEWS!

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT KARLA AND PAUL HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR MY ATTITUDE!

JMO AND MOO!!

:beer:

[Pretty Leaf]

It has been documented by Pychologists that Karla is as much a danger and is as much a psychopath as is Paul. the only reason she got out was the deal with the devil. Once the deal was released in Canada there was an uproar. Not only murdering 3 people she raped her menustrating sister and licked her fingers for the camera. That is one of the details outside of the dismembering that has stuck in my mind. She is pure evil.

Furious in Canada

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
It has been documented by Pychologists that Karla is as much a danger and is as much a psychopath as is Paul. the only reason she got out was the deal with the devil. Once the deal was released in Canada there was an uproar. Not only murdering 3 people she raped her menustrating sister and licked her fingers for the camera. That is one of the details outside of the dismembering that has stuck in my mind. She is pure evil.

Furious in Canada

I would encourage anyone interested in truth to read the transcript of the rape of Tammy Homolka available in 'Lethal Marriage' and see if they think the above summary is a fair and accurate one.

Homolka has been "diagnosed" as someone who "may have an antisocial personality disorder" by a doctor who never saw her, and as a "psycopath" by a doctor who knows nothing in particular about psycopaths. Another doctor with a professional interest and background in psychopathy participated in the same evaluation and disagreed, giving Homolka a positive recommendation for parole.

None of the other dozen or so professionals who have evaluated her over the years found her to be psychopathic.

Informed in Canada

[FrankieBones]

One doesn't need to be a doctor to recognize the evil in Karla Homolka. One doesn't need a degree to realize this woman is a danger to society.

In the know, in Canada.

imo

[Sassanach]

Originally posted by FrankieBones
One doesn't need to be a doctor to recognize the evil in Karla Homolka. One doesn't need a degree to realize this woman is a danger to society.

In the know, in Canada.

imo

Well said :beer:

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I would encourage anyone interested in truth to read the transcript of the rape of Tammy Homolka available in 'Lethal Marriage' and see if they think the above summary is a fair and accurate one.

Homolka has been "diagnosed" as someone who "may have an antisocial personality disorder" by a doctor who never saw her, and as a "psycopath" by a doctor who knows nothing in particular about psycopaths. Another doctor with a professional interest and background in psychopathy participated in the same evaluation and disagreed, giving Homolka a positive recommendation for parole.

None of the other dozen or so professionals who have evaluated her over the years found her to be psychopathic.

Informed in Canada



If you read the book KARLA written by the same author that wrote Lethal Marriage (written first) you will be informed that the description I earlier wrote is an accurate description of KH. In this book( the author of both of these books) Stephen Williams has unprecented information by Karla Holmolka's psychistrist Dr. Arndt. Arndt gave his whole file on Karla to the author. This book is an indepth factual look at the diagnosis and medical conditions of Holmolka while the book Lethal Marriage was just that, what went on the marriage.

You are right that there are many differing views of her diagnosis but some are hired by the defence and some by the prosecution. The book Karla is based on the first psychiatrist to analize her upon arrest.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf




If you read the book KARLA written by the same author that wrote Lethal Marriage (written first) you will be informed that the description I earlier wrote is an accurate description of KH. In this book( the author of both of these books) Stephen Williams has unprecented information by Karla Holmolka's psychistrist Dr. Arndt. Arndt gave his whole file on Karla to the author. This book is an indepth factual look at the diagnosis and medical conditions of Holmolka while the book Lethal Marriage was just that, what went on the marriage.

You are right that there are many differing views of her diagnosis but some are hired by the defence and some by the prosecution. The book Karla is based on the first psychiatrist to analize her upon arrest.

1. Nick Pron wrote Lethal Marriage, not Stephen Williams. Stephen Williams wrote Invisible Darkness and Karla: Pact With the Devil.

2. Dr. Arndt diagnosed Homolka as a woman suffering from BWS and PTSD, NOT psychopathy. Homolka was very fond of Dr. Arndt, who was one of the only doctors who became a treating physician rather than just a diagnosing one. She maintained a correspondence with him long after whe was imprisoned, and other doctors took over.

3. It is as clear as can be in his second book that Stephen Williams does not think Homolka is psychopathic, though he generally remains someone who has been pretty tough on her.

4. The evidence against psychopathy in Homolka's case, which includes the vast majority of professional opinion, is substantial

[MrToadsWildRide]

Of course Karla liked this Dr.Arndt...he was supplying her with a plethora of drugs...potent enough so that she would sleep for days at a time.I am sure I would have loved him too.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by MrToadsWildRide
Of course Karla liked this Dr.Arndt...he was supplying her with a plethora of drugs...potent enough so that she would sleep for days at a time.I am sure I would have loved him too.

Yes, Dr. Arndt believed in sleep therapy. My point was that he never diagnosed her as a psychopath, as was implied.

[Bello]

Just to let you all know that karla is doing fine and not poor at all. Lets keep up the support and continue to love her and support her. She made a mistake and its all over now. Lets see that karla knows we are now cheering for her and that she has a productive and fulfilling life.

Im SURE SHE WILL TRAVEL AS OJ JULY 26 WHEN SHE THEN CAN GO ANYWHERE SHE WANTS. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.

LETS HOPE SHE CHOOSES THERE AND NOT CANCUN THATS TOO MUCH OF A PARTY PLACE.


SIGHNED BELLO

[jaokguy]

this woman should be locked up forever....hopefully someone will give her what she deserves....

[amazing1]

Originally posted by Bello
Just to let you all know that karla is doing fine and not poor at all. Lets keep up the support and continue to love her and support her. She made a mistake and its all over now. Lets see that karla knows we are now cheering for her and that she has a productive and fulfilling life.

Im SURE SHE WILL TRAVEL AS OJ JULY 26 WHEN SHE THEN CAN GO ANYWHERE SHE WANTS. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.

LETS HOPE SHE CHOOSES THERE AND NOT CANCUN THATS TOO MUCH OF A PARTY PLACE.


SIGHNED BELLO

You're joking, right?

She is scum, imo, and should still be in jail. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian, when I think about what our government sold out to.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by amazing1


You're joking, right?

She is scum, imo, and should still be in jail. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian, when I think about what our government sold out to.

Imagine what the victims' families are feeling.

[casanova]

this woman should be locked up forever....hopefully someone will give her what she deserves....


No doubt, someone on the outside outta assassinate this evil witch. Abused and controlled by her husband??? My *****! There are plenty of battered woman out there who don't committ the crimes KH did. And only 12 years for raping and murdering her own sister. May she rot in hell.

[casanova]

Hey Bello, are you retarded or just psychologically damaged?? How in the world can feel any compaasion for this evil witch?? She deserves to be treated as well as she treated her victims, including her own sister. What a sicko and anyone who thinks she deserves a second chance needs some sense knocked into them. Get a clue.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by amazing1


You're joking, right?

She is scum, imo, and should still be in jail. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian, when I think about what our government sold out to.

Our government sold out nothing, until 2005 that is.

[Bello]

i think that karla should enjoy her life. She has been through alot and its over. VIVA karla

[BeesKnees]

She hasn't been through nearly as much as those young women that she helped murder. They are the ones that should be enjoying their lives.

WTH is wrong with you?

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by BeesKnees
She hasn't been through nearly as much as those young women that she helped murder. They are the ones that should be enjoying their lives.

WTH is wrong with you?

And let's not forget Jane Doe whom K called. She fears K.

[HANNAH ROSE]

Originally posted by Bello
i think that karla should enjoy her life. She has been through alot and its over. VIVA karla

Tell that to the parents of the girls they raped, tortured and killed. "Oh, it's over, enjoy the rest of your life knowing your daughter is rotting in the ground but one of her killers is free as a bird.":flamemad:

[kimie2k2]

I think all this nonsense about her being happy is sickening!

[singlesix]

"She made a mistake and its all over now."

Yeah, sure, in your dreams. God will get her if somebody else doesn't get her first.

John

[ReasoningFilly]

O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by ReasoningFilly
O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

Your assessment is perfectly logical and valid. However, there is a belief that the deal was flawed. Jane Doe thinks it was.

[ReasoningFilly]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Your assessment is perfectly logical and valid. However, there is a belief that the deal was flawed. Jane Doe thinks it was.

Excellent point, and I thank you for that.
However, though the deal was flawed...no doubt about that...my question still remains....and my thoughts still remain....

What more do people want? She did her time....the time that was given for her to do. Wrong as it may have been.
Perhaps she deserved life in prison too...but it didn't work out that way.

Filly

[glenny67]

. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.



She might not want to go there. The authorities there believe that her and paul raped a girl there on their honeymoon.

[glenny67]

It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers


This part never happened. it was a deal between her lawyer herself and the crown, the judge upheld and sentenced her. never did she go in front of a jury except to testify against Paul.

Even though I hate the goof, you are right she has served her time, I just wish that one of the other victims that haven't come forward does. There is no time limit on sexual assault in Canada

[HANNAH ROSE]

Originally posted by ReasoningFilly
O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

She got a deal. She served the time a judge ordered her to because she turned on her husband. This does not mean the she served the time she deserved. :no:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by HANNAH ROSE

She got a deal. She served the time a judge ordered her to because she turned on her husband. This does not mean the she served the time she deserved. :no:

:beer:

Had Karla been totally truthful to the Police and Prosecutors, there is no way that her "deal with the devil" would have been put together and signed in concrete. Karla didn't care about Paul, didn't care about Jane Doe, didn't care about Leslie, didn't care about Kristen and didn't care about Tammy, her baby sister. Karla only cared about herself and how she was going to save her ***** from 25 years in prison or LWOP, like Paul.

Your statement, "This does not mean that she served the time she deserved" IMO is the main reason people remain so outraged and continue to be after all of these years re: Karla!

JMO and MOO!!

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


:beer:

Had Karla been totally truthful to the Police and Prosecutors, there is no way that her "deal with the devil" would have been put together and signed in concrete. Karla didn't care about Paul, didn't care about Jane Doe, didn't care about Leslie, didn't care about Kristen and didn't care about Tammy, her baby sister. Karla only cared about herself and how she was going to save her ***** from 25 years in prison or LWOP, like Paul.

Your statement, "This does not mean that she served the time she deserved" IMO is the main reason people remain so outraged and continue to be after all of these years re: Karla!

JMO and MOO!!

Well said.

[Pretty Leaf]

Words to describe the murderer
Manipulative, self absorbed, cagey,creepy,no concience, smart as a fox in a hen house, sorry excuse for a human being.

Her IQ is tested at above normal range. She is smart, knew what she was doing, during the crime spree and during negoations for the plea. She gives all legitamate abused women pause. She was only abused when the heat was on.

Too bad the cops were not on top of their game. This case was bungled from the start. The cops wanted Paul period.
Karla could give him on a silver platter. IMO the inept police department set this woman free. The had the house where the tapes were hidden for months and never found them!! Keystone cops with one agenda get Paul.

The cop that was the lead investigator one this case is now our police chief!!! Makes one wonder why he could get the job after such a mess with the case.

[Anthea Delano]

K's high IQ is one of the reasons I disbelieve that she missed the connection between PB and the rapist's composite.

If as she claims PB was pestering her about having sex with her younger sister, Tammy, at the same time the composite was widely posted, she could not have failed to make the connection. It would have been like a light turning on.

[Pretty Leaf]

Agreed. She made the connection alright. As guilty as he is on the murders and rapes after they were together..

[Anthea Delano]

I think you are correct PL that the police wanted PB. K was lumped into the victim category because PB turned on her. She was attractive, intelligent and well-mannered.

I still can't grasp that the police didn't figure out that K with her high I.Q., Paul's face leaping out of the police composite and the Tammy business that she didn't make the connection. This is the big disconnect in this story.

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by Bello
Just to let you all know that karla is doing fine and not poor at all. Lets keep up the support and continue to love her and support her. She made a mistake and its all over now. Lets see that karla knows we are now cheering for her and that she has a productive and fulfilling life.

Im SURE SHE WILL TRAVEL AS OJ JULY 26 WHEN SHE THEN CAN GO ANYWHERE SHE WANTS. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.

LETS HOPE SHE CHOOSES THERE AND NOT CANCUN THATS TOO MUCH OF A PARTY PLACE.


SIGHNED BELLO

She made a mistake.... OMG. I think you need to give your head a shake!!! JMO

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I think you are correct PL that the police wanted PB. K was lumped into the victim category because PB turned on her. She was attractive, intelligent and well-mannered.

I still can't grasp that the police didn't figure out that K with her high I.Q., Paul's face leaping out of the police composite and the Tammy business that she didn't make the connection. This is the big disconnect in this story.

She knew alright. Crazy like the fox.

[Pennibelle]

Originally posted by ReasoningFilly


Excellent point, and I thank you for that.
However, though the deal was flawed...no doubt about that...my question still remains....and my thoughts still remain....

What more do people want? She did her time....the time that was given for her to do. Wrong as it may have been.
Perhaps she deserved life in prison too...but it didn't work out that way.

Filly


Thank you for your posts. I have been asking myself the same questions.

I'm thinking that unless there truly are other 'surviving' victims who are willing and/or able to come forward........there is nothing else left to do but to vent ones' frustrations and indignations.

There is nothing else left to do.

I was very grateful to learn that in Canada there is no limitation on sex crimes unlike here in the States. So, maybe a surviving victim of this evil woman will find the courage to come forward. Assuming there are others' who survived.

Meanwhile, the B*$#h W@*e did do her time.

May G-d bless her and love her because I sure
CANNOT :flamemad:

[Anthea Delano]

Question, main one. How do we know it is true that PB was upset that K wasn't a virgin when he met her?

Spin offs
Did PB state this?

Did K state this?

What would lend credence to this assertion?

They had intense sex the night they met. Was PB complaining then about K's past performances?

Did PB tell any of his friends this?

It would be helpful if this point could clarified by the more knowledgeable.

[MontrealPost]

I do agree that she has done her time, and should be allowed to be free. HOWEVER....she has not done her time the moral court has handed down to her, and in that sentence she will be hated for life by Canadians who will never forget the lives of Tammy, Leslie, and Kristen. And that is all she deserves. She may not be behind bars......but that doesn't mean she gets a pardon.

[cami]

Originally posted by ReasoningFilly
O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

Exactly, I agree. It's the Crown that we should be blaming and that I reserve my anger for. If you were in the same position as Karla would you have said "oh no, I'm just as responsible as Paul and should be locked up for life, no I don't want a deal to testify against him, lock me up and throw away the key" Anyone of us would have done the same. The Crown had a chance to void that deal before Paul went to trial. And failing that, they should have released her on parole and not let her sentence run out. I'm not siding with her either but I agree with you, she did her time, her sentence is over and she deserved to be released.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I think you are correct PL that the police wanted PB. K was lumped into the victim category because PB turned on her. She was attractive, intelligent and well-mannered.

I still can't grasp that the police didn't figure out that K with her high I.Q., Paul's face leaping out of the police composite and the Tammy business that she didn't make the connection. This is the big disconnect in this story.

I think she did Anthea and she just didn't care. Despite her high IQ there's a moral vacuity in Karla. Didn't one of Paul's rape victims say there was someone else with him filming the assault, a woman--Karla. But yes as stated the cops dropped the ball on this case. First of all with Tammy. Why weren't the cops and the doctors more suspicious? Tammy had that baseball size burn mark on her face from the halothane and the doctors thought it was acid from her stomach contents! They could have stopped Paul right then and there and got both of them. Both of them would have been sent to prison for life. Poor Tammy she deserved better.

[Anthea Delano]

I just got on to a Toronto Star website with a series of stories written by Nick Pron

http://tinyurl.com/cjpqcighlights

you can access more info from the box to the right.

Here are few highlights.

K's family and friends saw her as a LEADER.

She was BOSSY

She was OBSESSIVE

Karla dug up her dead cat Mishka 2 to look at its corpse.


"She was seen as strong-willed, confident, out going, firm in her opinion and NEVER LACKING IN SELF-ESTEEM."


She was "INDEPENDENT."

Had" kinky sex" with her first lover in Kansas. Handcuffs were mentioned.

She said there was "ANIMAL MAGNETISM" between her and PB.


And the very best, PB asked" WHAT IF I WAS A RAPIST?"


IQ 132, strong willed, bossy, independent, confident, leader, ghoulish, firm in her opinion, never lacking in self-esteem.

Paul has even asked her "What if I was a rapist?"

A composite of the rapist is circulated and it looks like Paul.

And Paul is supposedly pestering her about having sex with her teenaged sister.

AND K NEVER MAKES THE CONNECTION THAT PAUL IS THE RAPIST

Defies all logic.

[Anthea Delano]

Is there a medical professional who can answer if it is possible for bruises to last for three months?

Not a doctor, just someone who has had a bruise for over 4 months. On the back of my leg on the calf.

I think a bruise's longevity depends on the severity. I didn't think mine was severe, but apparently it was. It also became really hard, like the muscle hardened.
But...it's all better now... it just lasted forever.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Is there a medical professional who can answer if it is possible for bruises to last for three months?

If someone is anemic, their bruises can last a good long time, longer than 3 months.

[Anthea Delano]

Was K anemic?

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I just got on to a Toronto Star website with a series of stories written by Nick Pron

http://tinyurl.com/cjpqcighlights

you can access more info from the box to the right.

Here are few highlights.

K's family and friends saw her as a LEADER.

She was BOSSY

She was OBSESSIVE

Karla dug up her dead cat Mishka 2 to look at its corpse.


"She was seen as strong-willed, confident, out going, firm in her opinion and NEVER LACKING IN SELF-ESTEEM."


She was "INDEPENDENT."

Had" kinky sex" with her first lover in Kansas. Handcuffs were mentioned.

She said there was "ANIMAL MAGNETISM" between her and PB.


And the very best, PB asked" WHAT IF I WAS A RAPIST?"


IQ 132, strong willed, bossy, independent, confident, leader, ghoulish, firm in her opinion, never lacking in self-esteem.

Paul has even asked her "What if I was a rapist?"

A composite of the rapist is circulated and it looks like Paul.

And Paul is supposedly pestering her about having sex with her teenaged sister.

AND K NEVER MAKES THE CONNECTION THAT PAUL IS THE RAPIST

Defies all logic.

I'm guessing you didn't do all that well with book reports in grade school. Anybody else who read the series think this is an accurate summary of all the salient points? LOL

[BeesKnees]

Originally posted by cami


If you were in the same position as Karla would you have said "oh no, I'm just as responsible as Paul and should be locked up for life, no I don't want a deal to testify against him, lock me up and throw away the key" Anyone of us would have done the same.

It's impossible for me to imagine being in her position, but I'd think if I felt any remorse whatsoever for what I had done, I would have been a hell of a lot more honest about my culpabilty in it, both to the prosecuters and public, as well as honest with myself.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I'm guessing you didn't do all that well with book reports in grade school. Anybody else who read the series think this is an accurate summary of all the salient points? LOL

The comments derived from the series are accurate, but they don't summarize the series imo. After reading his stuff, I thought, what a shame it is that this kid, Karla, had so much promise and seemed to be having a normal life, all of that changing forever the moment she met Paul. I agree with Pron when he says had she married a normal man, she'd have probably had a normal life. Pathetic that she was so taken by Paul that she would actually take part in this depravity as a means to keep him. (I do think, though, too, that she enjoyed some of this stuff, but may have never known that she did except that Paul introduced the idea to her.) She may have an IQ of 134 in intellect, but obviously not in emotion and moral character. It seems, though, she was morally intact as a youth. It mystifies me still that Paul's influence could change that. I have a problem with that, it's suggests to me there is more kink to Karla than she would have anyone believe, but it's not consistent with her early years. How could Paul have twisted her up that much? That continues to nag at me.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by BeesKnees

It's impossible for me to imagine being in her position, but I'd think if I felt any remorse whatsoever for what I had done, I would have been a hell of a lot more honest about my culpabilty in it, both to the prosecuters and public, as well as honest with myself.

Excellent post! My sentiments exactly. First off, I would never do what Karla did ~ ever, as I couldn't live with myself or even sleep at night knowing what I had done. I would most likely turn myself in, but if I got caught first, I would definitely fess up and face the music. But that's me. I am not a good liar and definitely would not lie to save my ***** like Karla did!

[Anthea Delano]

Northern,

I am going to ask you one more time to quit the personal barbs, instead of posting sophomoric insulting comments to me, why not use your prodigious knowlege of the facts to debate and/or augment the discussions? I would have been spared the indignity of your unkind words had CSN not quoted you.

Since Pron wrote the articles it is not strange that a reader,who had not read his book, would think they were an accurate summary of the salient facts.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Question, main one. How do we know it is true that PB was upset that K wasn't a virgin when he met her?

Spin offs
Did PB state this?

Did K state this?

What would lend credence to this assertion?

They had intense sex the night they met. Was PB complaining then about K's past performances?

Did PB tell any of his friends this?

It would be helpful if this point could clarified by the more knowledgeable.

Yes, according to Stephen Williams in A pact with the devil Paul was upset at one of his other girlfriends who was not a virgin when they met.

[cami]

Originally posted by MontrealPost
I do agree that she has done her time, and should be allowed to be free. HOWEVER....she has not done her time the moral court has handed down to her, and in that sentence she will be hated for life by Canadians who will never forget the lives of Tammy, Leslie, and Kristen. And that is all she deserves. She may not be behind bars......but that doesn't mean she gets a pardon.

Well said. :beer:

Why hasn't Jane Doe brought charges against Karla anyone know? Is it due to the fact that she was unconscious when assaulted?

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by cami


Well said. :beer:

Why hasn't Jane Doe brought charges against Karla anyone know? Is it due to the fact that she was unconscious when assaulted?

Hi Cami,

From what the 2 jane doe's said in an interview just prior to KH being released was that they werent even given the chance to press charges, because her so called "deal" included & covered the rape of the 2 jane doe's

I hope that helps.

GoatGirl

:seeya:

[PMcOuntry]

She may have been abused, and I have never heard the story about being made to sleep beside the bed?

However, she was a willing partner to Paul, she agreed to help him, encouraged him to rape, and even OFFERED him virgins, including her OWN sister!

She should STILL be in prison, and would be had the tapes of the assaults been found BEFORE her plea bargain. However, due to certain laws, she can't be tried for the same crime twice.

She was smart enough to not tell them where the tapes were and get a lesser sentence, therefore, she KNEW what she was doing the whole time.

She was a sexually sadistic person who took willing part in these acts and even helped find victims.

She knew right from wrong.

And, do we have proof she was abused prior to the incident that eventually led to Paul finally being caught and her confession to the murders?

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by cami


Well said. :beer:

Why hasn't Jane Doe brought charges against Karla anyone know? Is it due to the fact that she was unconscious when assaulted?

Jane Doe moved away didn't she? She was also a "sex slave" for sometime before moving away, which was lucky for her, otherwise I have no doubt she'd be dead now.

[Pretty Leaf]

Here is a story for you to digest.. This happened to a sister of my friend who lived in St. Catherine's. ( I'll call her Mary).

Weeks after Paul was arrested Mary received a phone call from the police asking her if she had ever lost her purse. She said no, thinking they were talking recently, but in reality had had her purse stolen 2 years earlier out of a shopping cart at a grocery store.

She was asked to come into the police station as they needed to talk to her. When she went there they presented to her a purse that she acknowledged was hers from two years back. Her identification, house keys etc was found in the purse which was found in the home of Paul Bernardo. They then questioned her about being followed any break or enters in her apartment. She could remember no incidents but did verify that her father had changed the locks on her apartment when the keys were stolen.

Mary said that due to their questions she felt there was more than one purse found in the house and may have been a way that he was able to seek out victims.

Take this for what it is. All I know is that she was terrified when she found out about her purse.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
Here is a story for you to digest.. This happened to a sister of my friend who lived in St. Catherine's. ( I'll call her Mary).

Weeks after Paul was arrested Mary received a phone call from the police asking her if she had ever lost her purse. She said no, thinking they were talking recently, but in reality had had her purse stolen 2 years earlier out of a shopping cart at a grocery store.

She was asked to come into the police station as they needed to talk to her. When she went there they presented to her a purse that she acknowledged was hers from two years back. Her identification, house keys etc was found in the purse which was found in the home of Paul Bernardo. They then questioned her about being followed any break or enters in her apartment. She could remember no incidents but did verify that her father had changed the locks on her apartment when the keys were stolen.

Mary said that due to their questions she felt there was more than one purse found in the house and may have been a way that he was able to seek out victims.

Take this for what it is. All I know is that she was terrified when she found out about her purse.

I wonder what month and year this fits on the timeline?

How can the authorities be certain it was PB who stole the purse, unless he confessed?

Has this stolen purse info been reported anywhere?

[Anthea Delano]

2L8 4A D8 originally posted this website

http://tinyurl.com/caeh4

The following is of interest to anyone following this case who has questions about the deal, Jane Doe and K's ability to lie.

"Prosecutors had an opportunity to "break the deal" and charge Homolka with additional crimes for a period of 8 months between the finding of the tapes and the agreement not to charge her with additional crimes. The police were in possession of the tapes in September 1994, although the "deal" had been signed in 1993 (and they had been working under a verbal agreement of the deal long before that) they were still able to prosecute her for "Jane Doe", and for lies that they uncovered in her earlier testimony. An absolute deal-breaker was lying during her interviews with prosecutors. Stephen Williams published memos where the Crown discussed these lies amongst themselves, indicating that the Crown was fully aware that Karla had lied during her interviews with prosecutors."

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I wonder what month and year this fits on the timeline?

How can the authorities be certain it was PB who stole the purse, unless he confessed?

Has this stolen purse info been reported anywhere?

The purse was found in the home in St. Catherine's, therefore either Paul or Karla took it. As Paul was a suspected rapist it was Paul that the police believed did it.

There were many things not reported because it did not have to do wiith the crimes at hand and there had been no crime with the exemption of purse snatching.

I am very close to a person in law enforcement who told me there were so many other stories similar to this one that were uncovered during the investigation that were followed up on but were not the meat of the case that the police were after.

Had this female been attacked or had a stalker then that information may have helped them. In this case the purse was stolen. period.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf


The purse was found in the home in St. Catherine's, therefore either Paul or Karla took it. As Paul was a suspected rapist it was Paul that the police believed did it.

There were many things not reported because it did not have to do wiith the crimes at hand and there had been no crime with the exemption of purse snatching.

I am very close to a person in law enforcement who told me there were so many other stories similar to this one that were uncovered during the investigation that were followed up on but were not the meat of the case that the police were after.

Had this female been attacked or had a stalker then that information may have helped them. In this case the purse was stolen. period.

It would be interesting to figure out who stole the purse (s). And there might be a way to do this.

The devil is in the details.

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


It would be interesting to figure out who stole the purse (s). And there might be a way to do this.

The devil is in the details.


What is the way that you figure this can be done? If it meant nothing to the cops at the time why would it now.


Yup the devil was in the details and he is in prison.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf



What is the way that you figure this can be done? If it meant nothing to the cops at the time why would it now.


Yup the devil was in the details and he is in prison.

Comparing the dates of the purse snatching (s) against any info they have regarding PB's whereabouts on that/those dates.

If it was impossible for PB to have been the purse snatcher, it only leaves K.

It probably would still mean nothing to the cops, but it might mean something to the victims' parents who would like to know the truth.

And there may be some pattern which could be discerned, a pattern which would point to K.

[Pretty Leaf]

I have no knowledge about any police timelines. This account was the only info that was presented to the victim of the pursesnaching by the police.

[Anthea Delano]

The purse snatching victim must know the place, date and time her purse was taken and so do the police IF a police report was filed.


I wonder what else the LE found in their possession.

[Pretty Leaf]

I understand that the place was a supermarket, but I don't know the date or time. I am unaware if a police report was filed, I do know that the police contacted her after the purse was found. Any police conclusions concerning this purse and the connection to PB or KHB was never communicated to the victim of the pursesnatching.

[Anthea Delano]

Sometimes it is something like this purse, which seems to have no importance, that ends up being greatly significant.

I wonder if the LE even fingerprinted it and its contents.

[Pretty Leaf]

True. But as it was there seems to have been some investigation as the cops had her in for an interview. The fact that this incident never made it into the public's view has one to believe either it was of little or no importance to what they were compiling at the time. It would be nice for someone to write a book about what all went on in this investigation.

Correct me if I am wrong but Paul was never convicted as the Scarbourogh rapist. This might have been part of a side investigation or another lead to the possibility of K and/or Paul looking for their next victim.

As it stands this was an incident of one thing that happened that was never reported on.

So much more than we know is out there to be sure. The way the cops bungled many aspects of this case I am sure that there ae many more.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf



<snip>


Yup the devil was in the details and he is in prison.

More like can't see the forest for the trees.

[SummerRain903]

I believe that you have served your time & that you deserve a second chance. I would love to open up my home to you, where nobody knows who you are. If you are looking for a chance to live a normal happy life & try to get on with yours, I invite you to come here & live with me. I hope that Karla reads this board & gets in touch with me.
Summer

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by SummerRain903
I believe that you have served your time & that you deserve a second chance. I would love to open up my home to you, where nobody knows who you are. If you are looking for a chance to live a normal happy life & try to get on with yours, I invite you to come here & live with me. I hope that Karla reads this board & gets in touch with me.
Summer

I think that you are dreaming if you think that Karla wastes her time reading this Board and this Thread. You'd do better going on Canadian National television and offer Karla your "sweet little deal!" Who knows, you might get lucky. Karla just loves "sweet little deals!"

However, I think that you will need to sit down, put on your seatbelt and hold on tight because you are in for a bumpy ride, as I am afraid that you won't be getting the response that you wanted nor expected!

JMO and MOO!!

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

[Suzannexyz]

I wonder if people like you would be willing to have these things put behind them if it were one of their own loved ones who had been the victims. Think about how you would feel it it were your mom, sister, or daughter who had been treated the way Karla's victims were treated. Would you be so ready to forget that it happened and put it behind you? I doubt it.

I have a daughter and I am always reminding her that there are perpetrators out there who are capable of doing horrrendous deeds. I remind her that there are people we think of as nice, decent people who are psychopaths and who are capable of killing without a blink of an eye. People need to know this so they can be on guard at all times. Any one can be a victim of a psychopath.

[northernrflxn]

Any one can be a victim of a psychopath.

Including Karla Homolka.

[Jennifer33]

Originally posted by SummerRain903
I believe that you have served your time & that you deserve a second chance. I would love to open up my home to you, where nobody knows who you are. If you are looking for a chance to live a normal happy life & try to get on with yours, I invite you to come here & live with me. I hope that Karla reads this board & gets in touch with me.
Summer

Your kidding, right?


Where do we find these people?

An open invitation on a message board...:rolleyes:

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
Here is a story for you to digest.. This happened to a sister of my friend who lived in St. Catherine's. ( I'll call her Mary).

Weeks after Paul was arrested Mary received a phone call from the police asking her if she had ever lost her purse. She said no, thinking they were talking recently, but in reality had had her purse stolen 2 years earlier out of a shopping cart at a grocery store.

She was asked to come into the police station as they needed to talk to her. When she went there they presented to her a purse that she acknowledged was hers from two years back. Her identification, house keys etc was found in the purse which was found in the home of Paul Bernardo. They then questioned her about being followed any break or enters in her apartment. She could remember no incidents but did verify that her father had changed the locks on her apartment when the keys were stolen.

Mary said that due to their questions she felt there was more than one purse found in the house and may have been a way that he was able to seek out victims.

Take this for what it is. All I know is that she was terrified when she found out about her purse.

I just read a news article which quoted a Homolka neighbor, who lamented the sufferring of K's elder sister, who worked as a cashier at a grocery store.

[Bello]

karla has served her time for her crime. Lets all leave her alone. I feel for her family and sister lori. Im so glad that she had her passport rushed and delivered. While you all go out and watch the karla movie she will be in CUBA salsa dancing. Good for you karla, And I commend her mother for being such a supportive loving human beind.

my regards
bello

[Bello]

hEY PEOPLES, i JUST GOT INSIDE INformation late last night. Karla had her passport picked up by an unknown source. She now has her passport in hand. The unknown source claims that she .......well im not sure of that. However I wish her well and hope that she can escape this unneeded attetion. She is loved by her family and friends.

so while you all type away she will be starting her life and enjoying it while you all gossip about her. I wonder who really has the sentnce .

sighned bello

[spanky]

Originally posted by Bello
hEY PEOPLES, i JUST GOT INSIDE INformation late last night. Karla had her passport picked up by an unknown source. She now has her passport in hand. The unknown source claims that she .......well im not sure of that. However I wish her well and hope that she can escape this unneeded attetion. She is loved by her family and friends.

so while you all type away she will be starting her life and enjoying it while you all gossip about her. I wonder who really has the sentnce .

sighned bello

in your op you talk about leaving her alone and letting her live her life ..now you rush to tell she has gotten her passport ...yet you have nothing to prove that point...

:read:

[~kaRN]

Originally posted by Bello
karla has served her time for her crime. Lets all leave her alone. I feel for her family and sister lori. Im so glad that she had her passport rushed and delivered. While you all go out and watch the karla movie she will be in CUBA salsa dancing. Good for you karla, And I commend her mother for being such a supportive loving human beind.

my regards
bello

You clearly know nothing about the case. Do you feel sorry for the sister she raped and murdered too?

[Shelby428z]

I know who can't spell "being".

And I can do without her kind of "sisterly love" thank you very much.

Supporters of Karla are clearly misinformed/uninformed and haven't taken the time to understand the issues. People who sound off without being able to back their statements up either have serious personal issues or not all their dogs are barkin'.

[Roadrunner]

OUR DEAR BELLO

The Cruel Joke Is On You!

Once again, Karla is playing one of her many
"psychopathic jokes."

My sources, just informed me that she was spotted
leaving a hardware store & video camera store.

Where she made several purchases. I believe it
was just around the corner from your home.

So, sleep peacefully tonight!

Roadrunner
:lol:

[Shelby428z]

Roadrunner, *beep beep*

Ya slay me *lol*

[Hope MT]

lmao!....Bello claims she is going to be in Cuba salsa dancing??.....one look at that ugly face on the passport and even Castro will kick her sorry *** off the island.......it's supposed to be a vacation spot for beautiful people........see her lately?..........(barf) (woof, woof)

:lol:

[sneakers]

Originally posted by Hope MT
lmao!....Bello claims she is going to be in Cuba salsa dancing??.....one look at that ugly face on the passport and even Castro will kick her sorry *** off the island.......it's supposed to be a vacation spot for beautiful people........see her lately?..........(barf) (woof, woof)

:lol: Got a picture?

[sneakers]

Originally posted by Bello
karla has served her time for her crime. Lets all leave her alone. I feel for her family and sister lori. Im so glad that she had her passport rushed and delivered. While you all go out and watch the karla movie she will be in CUBA salsa dancing. Good for you karla, And I commend her mother for being such a supportive loving human beind.

my regards
bello The only way anyone would ever hurt my little sister would be over my dead body! Something wrong with that mother...

imo

[Hope MT]

Originally posted by sneakers
Got a picture?

From this:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/homolka_cp_3717256.jpg

To this: (woof, woof)....brutal!

http://media.canada.com/idl/vasn/20050705/270713-88720.jpg

[Shelby428z]

Unfortunately, "she" still looks alot better than

This:



The Victims (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/murderedschoolgirls_1.jpg)

I despise this woman.

[sneakers]

Originally posted by Hope MT


From this:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/homolka_cp_3717256.jpg

To this: (woof, woof)....brutal!

http://media.canada.com/idl/vasn/20050705/270713-88720.jpg Thanks! That's what evil does...her outside looks like her inside.

imo

[rasmur]

I wish Karla well, wherever she is. I hope people are not mean to her. But I hope she is never able to completely disappear. She doesn't deserve that luxury.

[ferretplay]

Yes,let,s all throw her a going away party!!!!! To Hell !! So Sad,for the real victims.:rose:

[joanw_123]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I would encourage anyone interested in truth to read the transcript of the rape of Tammy Homolka available in 'Lethal Marriage' and see if they think the above summary is a fair and accurate one.

Homolka has been "diagnosed" as someone who "may have an antisocial personality disorder" by a doctor who never saw her, and as a "psycopath" by a doctor who knows nothing in particular about psycopaths. Another doctor with a professional interest and background in psychopathy participated in the same evaluation and disagreed, giving Homolka a positive recommendation for parole.

None of the other dozen or so professionals who have evaluated her over the years found her to be psychopathic.

Informed in Canada


I would like to see your reference material on this. My ex husband worked on this case, and it also involved a friend of a friend of mine. I also had a connection with the foreman of the jury in this case. In no way, should Karla be underestimated in terms of her involvement in the murders and rapes of the girls. Paul was a "mere" rapist before Karla became involved.

She is PURE evil.

Very Informed.

[joanw_123]

Originally posted by rasmur
I wish Karla well, wherever she is. I hope people are not mean to her. But I hope she is never able to completely disappear. She doesn't deserve that luxury.


Yes.

I wonder if you'd spout the same opinion if it was your sister's throat she wrapped an electrical cord around and pulled till she turned blue and stopped moving.

[joanw_123]

Originally posted by SummerRain903
I believe that you have served your time & that you deserve a second chance. I would love to open up my home to you, where nobody knows who you are. If you are looking for a chance to live a normal happy life & try to get on with yours, I invite you to come here & live with me. I hope that Karla reads this board & gets in touch with me.
Summer


Mother of God.....sleep with one eye open and a hatchet under your bed!

[joanw_123]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
Here is a story for you to digest.. This happened to a sister of my friend who lived in St. Catherine's. ( I'll call her Mary).

Weeks after Paul was arrested Mary received a phone call from the police asking her if she had ever lost her purse. She said no, thinking they were talking recently, but in reality had had her purse stolen 2 years earlier out of a shopping cart at a grocery store.

She was asked to come into the police station as they needed to talk to her. When she went there they presented to her a purse that she acknowledged was hers from two years back. Her identification, house keys etc was found in the purse which was found in the home of Paul Bernardo. They then questioned her about being followed any break or enters in her apartment. She could remember no incidents but did verify that her father had changed the locks on her apartment when the keys were stolen.

Mary said that due to their questions she felt there was more than one purse found in the house and may have been a way that he was able to seek out victims.

Take this for what it is. All I know is that she was terrified when she found out about her purse.

I can add to this, by saying my friend's friend also had her purse stolen at a party that was attended by P&K. She was also called much later by the police who asked her to come to the station and identify it....which she did.
There was a video found pushed into her purse and when she enquired as to what it was doing there.... she was invited to watch it with the police. It showed her being videotaped going in and out of 7/11....the library....the grocery store etc.

He had been videoing her and they suspect it was because he/her was lining up his/her next victims.

[joanw_123]

Originally posted by Bello
Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

Bello....I can't help but think you're blonde.

You're referring to a woman who KILLED.

She taped plastic all over her basement, to aid Paul in starting up their table saw and DISMEMBERING a beautiful young woman they raped and killed. She then took the body parts and inserted them in baths of cement that Paul had prepared. She THEN accompanied him to dispose of them in a lake.

You may love her all you want....but how pollyanna for you to expect people who's lives have been destroyed forever by the loss and pain she caused.

How arrogant of you to post this bubble gum drivel when those involved lives have been torn apart.

May you never have to live through this experience. I fear your ideals may be put to the test.

You may pray for her restrictions to be removed, however you might also pray for the people that may be at risk by doing so.

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