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[Kawaii]

I think that Katie aka Hildy knows alot more than she lets on. I think they should investigate her more

[SPC]

If Katie knows nothing about the particulars of that night she does know about his behavior following it. I think he told someone about it and not the story he gave the cops, but the truth. I also think that if he told anyone it may be Katie being that at the time of his incarceration they were together a good amount of time and she may feel some sort of obligation to protect him being that he did confess to her. She has her own emotional problems and she could have found a kindred spirit in him and because they share this bond she may think it is her job to protect him.
I saw a news clip where he was going to court or leaving court and there was a girl with him. Does anyone know who this was?
I also find it interesting that so many groupies choose to protect him. I guess at that age, if you told me a man I have come to know well and has always treated me well and never shown signs of violent tendencies I may doubt it as well, until he came clean and admitted to "accidentally" killing her. Cars accidents are accidents not aphixiations.

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by SPC
If Katie knows nothing about the particulars of that night she does know about his behavior following it. I think he told someone about it and not the story he gave the cops, but the truth. I also think that if he told anyone it may be Katie being that at the time of his incarceration they were together a good amount of time and she may feel some sort of obligation to protect him being that he did confess to her. She has her own emotional problems and she could have found a kindred spirit in him and because they share this bond she may think it is her job to protect him.
I saw a news clip where he was going to court or leaving court and there was a girl with him. Does anyone know who this was?
I also find it interesting that so many groupies choose to protect him. I guess at that age, if you told me a man I have come to know well and has always treated me well and never shown signs of violent tendencies I may doubt it as well, until he came clean and admitted to "accidentally" killing her. Cars accidents are accidents not aphixiations.

Oh I believe that Katie knows more than just a confession. I don't think it is her that was with him when he was leaving court though. She just really bothers me in the fact that she is too much like Ben. It is hard to explain but I have friends that know her irl and their opinions along with entries in her journal just put guilty liar all across her name. I am not saying she did anything illegal herself but I think they should look alot harder at the fact that she may be helping cover up what happened that night. Did they ever search her in great detail? Who is to say she doesn't have some "missing" items...think about it.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Kawaii
I think that Katie aka Hildy knows alot more than she lets on. I think they should investigate her more

LE took some of Hildy's personal possessions, so I believe they are investigating her and what she might know.

They are, no doubt, aware of her friendship and close tie to BF. She cleaned BF's apartment after LE was through searching it, and she reached out for help in attempting to visit BF in jail.

IMO

[SPC]

She is a lot like BF, at least what he protrayed himself to be. I don't like to judge people, but she has offered an insight into her mind through her journals and even though she states that she could be making up their contents, I hightly doubt it. A self proclaimed cutter and anorexic who crys out for attention with such confessions only to act like she could care less if anyone reached out to her. Who would spend such time writing out such confessions as she has without a cause? She states she wants to be a journalist and that her journal could be an outlet for this however her journal entries are far from publishing quality or interest. The only reason she is getting any attention at all is because she knows BF personally and perhaps intimately.
She has some serious issues. If a friend of mine, no matter how close I am to them, confessed of killing someone "accidentally" during sex I would have to reconsider the friendship. We all know that it was not an accident, but say I had a friend and it really was I still would not feel safe with a person capable of that. So many of his friends are acting as if this "accident" is not a big deal. In what universe is death not a big deal. Even when it's natural it's a BIG DEAL.
I don't want to go into the gross anatomy details of it all but say he did choke her and she lost consciousness, I know you can revive someone or at least try. He really would have to have done a number on her to kill her this way. I can't imagine what length he would have gone to for this to still be considered an accident. Ok, I am mad just thinking about it.
So back to the matter at point. She knows things and just like him she has an ego. She doesn't like authority, not her parents or the laws. Violence and death does not make her flinch and she enjoys the company of people who have problems, like her rather than those who can truely help her. She has expressed this many times through her writings.
I truely feel sorry for her parents though, because if they did not know before how troubled their daughter was, they know now. She is an only child as well and the way this whole thing has played out their chances of her success in life is withering away. I don't blame them for going to Richmond and yanking her out of school. I would have done the same in a heartbeat. If nothing else just to get her away from the source of the problem (BF). She is an adult though and unfortunately for her parents they can only control her as much as she allows them to. She seems to lack maturity for her age and also responsibility (sort of like BF?) and that may be why her parents still have such an authority over her. Ok, I have rambled on here enough. Sorry to bore anyone. I have been reading everything I could find on this for weeks. I live in California, but my mother lives right outside of Richmond and she told me about this case when BF first became a suspect. I decided on a whim to check out the information online and found it interesting. I have read everything I could from that point on. I am not sure why this case has sucked me in, perhaps it was the circumstances and the fact that things just are not adding up or the need to know the truth.

[curious mom]

Although the dates in Katie's journal appear to be all wrong (I have frequently looked at her journal since this all started and this is a new post in her journal) , it appears she is now back in Richmond.

[SPC]

I saw that too, but I wondered if it was just temporarily or that she actually going to stay there.

[Kawaii]

Dorkette,
I know you really can't talk about the case but I just have some questions. If they go against the gag order I understand...

1. Did Mike ever try and contact you? He said he did and I was just wondering if he was actually being honest.

2. Have you thought about pressing charges against VCU for the lack of response...well speed of response.

Also...anyone.....


I thought Katie was having to testify in front of the GJ....why is she being allowed to travel so much?

[SPC]

I don't think that having to testify in a grand jury as a witness requires that you stay in one place just so long as you show up for the dates. If she were a suspect than they would of course require she doesn't leave a certain juristiction. She is staying within the state as well and her being in Richmond actually puts her closer to where she will need to be for the gj trial. Just my thoughts.

[Dorkette]

Hello!
I spoke with mike as soon as I found out Taylor was missing.
I think that the campus police learned a valuable lesson in all this. I will just leave it at that.

Who is Katie?

Dorkette

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Hello!
I spoke with mike as soon as I found out Taylor was missing.
I think that the campus police learned a valuable lesson in all this. I will just leave it at that.

Who is Katie?

Dorkette

oh Katie is also known as Hildybrant on LJ....she and Ben are "good friends" and she was spending many nights at his place when everything happened.

I think I should have made the question about Mike more clear...he says that he have frequent contact with you. I was wondering if that was in fact true.

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by SPC
I don't think that having to testify in a grand jury as a witness requires that you stay in one place just so long as you show up for the dates. If she were a suspect than they would of course require she doesn't leave a certain juristiction. She is staying within the state as well and her being in Richmond actually puts her closer to where she will need to be for the gj trial. Just my thoughts.


Well she had visited her friends at MSU, which is several states away and was talking about leaving and moving to Cali to start over.

[Kawaii]

**want to add to the above**

Also, the fact that she isn't a suspect is extreamly disturbing. If anyone just really grilled her and tried to get to the inner Katie, they would see that she is more than just a friend of a guy who ruined a girl's future. She is shady and she is a liar....and I mean that nicely. Katie is young so she will make mistakes but if you look closely you will see that there is alot more to her than she would like you to think.

[SPC]

I forgot that she left the state to visit friends and I do know she wanted to move to SF which is very close to where I am. She is free to roam so long as she shows up for her court dates and if she doesn't she could face a warrant for her arrest. I know Katie is dark, but I do believe she is showing this very willingly. I don't think wants to hide the fact that she is disturbed. Her posts are anything but settling. The fact that she is sticking by BF even after his confession just goes to show how badly she is sucked into his game and by saying that I do not mean that she was innocent until she met him I just mean that she related to him in a way. I am sure he told her all the things she needed to hear, like she is normal and that he understands her, blah, blah, blah. I don't know if she has anything to do with the murder as I haven't found anything to justify such an accusation, however I do know she is deep into this case because of her involvement with him. BF acted as if he got away with this for several days after Taylor went missing. He passed out flyers, posted on his lj, carried on with life at home with his friends and told people he was with her the night she disappeared. I concluded one of two things by this behavior, he either thought that they would never find out it was him or he wanted to get caught. It is hard to understand this case because so many pieces are missing like her belongings, why they went so far off to have sex if this was consentual (she had a car he had his own place it's not like they needed to find a place). Too many pieces missing. I have to questions why he did things like tell the police a bogus story about the abduction the following day when he could have kept quiet, he dumped poor Taylors body in the land near Erin Crabills parents property when he could have chosen a place far away from likely links to him, he parked the car back and changed the plates when he could have burned it, dumped it far away or did something else to it, he told people he was with her the night she had gone missing, he passed out flyers while they searched for her, he even gave a news interview mind you without a face shot, these actions are not of a man hiding away hoping to not get caught, but he is a twisted man. He is an egomaniac. He likes to be in the center of his crimes (the fires), he likes to be an active member of the aftermath, he likes a show and the attention he gets.
I know people have thought perhaps he choose Erin's parents property to frame Erin and also that he parked the car where he did and some how left the scent lead back to Jesse's house, I personally just don't think he is that smart. I think he messed up bad and made many mistakes along the way. I think there are many paths that just so happen to cross in his mistakes. I think that many are looking at this case in such a broad spectrom which is good because you want to eliminate all doubts, but I think he is a simple minded man and his friends are simple minded people, I think they all like drama and thats where this story builds. Thats just my crazy thought of it all.

[TN_Profiler]

SPC - I'll try to help you understand this a little better:

If you are going around in circles trying to reconcile BF's actions after the fact with his story you will are not alone. The two are very inconsistent.

The reason they are inconsistent is primarily due to the fact that Ben Fawley is lying about what happened. His concocted story of an abduction was a shady alibi that he apparently thought would explain his whereabouts at the time of Taylor's disappearance.

The facts of this case will tell the story as it is. In the meantime I would not focus so much on what Benny-boy is saying because it is his version and you can bet he is spinning it to reduce his culpability as much as possible.

Ben Fawley will not tell the truth because it is detrimental to his future. We will have to rely on LE and the DA to tell it for us.

Wanna test my theory? Just ask yourself this question: If this was an accident then why did Ben Fawley not call 9-1-1?

[SPC]

"SPC - I'll try to help you understand this a little better:"

I understand the obvious, thanks! He is a liar and he is guilty!
I was simply expressing my thoughts and theories to the forum just as everyone else is doing here.

As for BF not calling 9-1-1? (Not to sound pro-BF, because I am not.) Many people have been involved in accidental deaths or injuries of far more understandable circumstance than this and they have not called 9-1-1 out of fear of being implicated even as a witness. I am not saying this was tha case for him because I do believe he is guilty of these crimes, however you can't rely on the 9-1-1 theory alone. Luckily for us BF has given us many more circumstances to go by.

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by SPC
"SPC - I'll try to help you understand this a little better:"


I understood what you were saying in your previous post. Although Ben not calling 911 was major, I do agree with not going by the 911 call alone. Sometimes people dont call for multiple reasons. I am not saying this is the right thing to do but I mean people are flawed so they will make mistakes. The only thing that makes it harder to sympathize with Ben for not calling is that he went to the police later and filed a report for himself. I mean if it really was an accident...that would have been the time to be like "hey something horrific happened....".

[SPC]

I agree with you completely Kawaii, that BF reporting his "abduction" and not the "accidental" death of Taylor is a huge deal, but is it terms for a conviction of murder, no. Unfortunately the human condition is different for eveyone. Some people in a true account of "accidental" death of a friend or loved one would call 9-1-1 in a heart beat, some would run out of the country in fear, some will create a distraction or alibi (such as the abduction) and some may try and maintain their life as if nothing has happened (going through the motions). Killers do the same thing, some will run and some will try to some will continue on as if nothing ever happened. So many of our notorious killers in the past have been described as "a nice neighbor, quiet and caring."
BF would truely just blend into the background if he didn't draw so much attention to himself. When he went to the police to report the abduction he didn't realize that later on it would be the second nail in his coffin. His confession of course was the first. If he would have not reported the abduction and not confessed a conviction would be a lot harder to obtain than it is now. Lucky for us he is not that smart.

[somechick]

This site has been pretty quiet and now it's suddenly buzzing again. I think more than a couple of you are combining the females into characteristics/actions of Hildy. Heres a list of a few of the "facts" that are either definitely or possibly incorrect:

1) Hildy studying journalism ... NOPE. That would be me studying journalism. Hildy is an English major. She wants to be a writer/poet/novelist.

2) Hildy showing the police around a possible scene for investigation ... NOPE. That would be Erin, Ben's ex-girlfriend.

3) Lesbian except for Ben? This is the first I've heard of this. On her profile she says she's bisexual. But prior to Ben (if they were in fact dating, she hasn't explicitly said so) she had a boyfriend named Brandon from Chesapeake. When I talked to her last, she said a lot of things. I just know they were "good friends" whether or not that involved sex isn't my business. I didn't ask ... I'm nosy but not rude.

4) "She knows more than she lets on." We can't possibly know that. Perhaps the investigation could prove otherwise, but I believe what she told me: She only knows what Ben told her, which is the same thing that Ben told the police. Most of this info is in the press however their are a few details about Taylor that Ben has told people that aren't being talked about because she's a minor and I'm sure her family doesn't want it released. I'm not going to post it here because I don't feel like starting another argument about whether I'm defending Ben (I'M NOT). Dorkette, I've missed most of your posts, but I'm guessing you're taylor's mom. It's difficult to determine that online ... I would hope no one would pretend to be you, but if you want to know what Ben said and refute it (just for me, personally) feel free to pm me.

5)Hildy yanked out of school by parents because involvement with Fawley? NOPE, she's no longer enrolled in VCU because she, her adviser, and her parents agreed that there would be no way for her to continue this semester and not hurt her GPA. She was never really a fan of VCU and Richmond anyway, and actually wanted to attend a small liberal arts school out of state.

Also I forget who said this, but to whoever said that Katie is shady and a liar: How did you come to that conclusion? You know her personally, through friends or just through what's been said online? Not to start anything, but I just want to know what you're basing your opinion on. I've known her for about a year, and I haven't seen a really negative side to her personality although I may wish that she steer clear of few things. Also, her recent posts on lj have no mention of Ben. She did that on purpose, and save for the mention of the hard times she's fallen upon with getting a job and housing, her posts don't seem scary. Her stories were difficult for some people on this board to read, but they were works of FICTION unless stated otherwise. Not to mention she wrote most of those stories before she came to VCU and met Ben. The only ones I saw that were written and posted after she met Ben was the Ice Cream man one and some poem inspired by one of her roommates. Well I've rambled long enough. Ciao.

Edited because I spelled "no" as "know." Rambling equals lots of errors.

[somechick]

Veracity, my post wasn't a direct response to yours. I was responding to several of the posts in this thread at once. I don't understand why I must link everything. I didn't catch any links with your post, but you said you got the info from her lj and her other online sites, so okay. They've been linked several times, and I trust that you've perused them ONLINE.

I did say that she states that she's bisexual on Myspace ... don't see what the issue is there. Okay, she's bisexual. What does this prove to you? I don't know about any of the girls she may have dated, but I know she was with a guy named Brandon. That relationship ended sometime in the beginning of this school year. I know that was on her lj, which has been linked several times.

Never said she was lying ONLINE. I don't if she's lying, but a lot of what I said in my previous post comes from a recent conversation with her which weren't ONLINE. If I could download my memory of that conversation to prove it to you, I'd private message it to you, but alas the technology isn't available yet. I'm against secretly recording my conversations. I'm not Linda Tripp.

Right, YOU didn't say she was a journalism major, but someone else did. On the first page of this thread ... I think SPC? Like I said, my other post wasn't addressed specifically to you.

Correct, she did post the stories ONLINE. Not quite sure what you're hitting at here. What does her posting stories online prove? I didn't say they weren't online in my previous post. Once again those have been linked several times.

I missed the post about her showing the police some rocks, so okay I am wrong sometimes. But for that matter Erin showed the police around too, as reported by crimelibrary. So what does her showing them some rocks prove? Next time I talk to Hildy I'll ask her why the police asked her to show them some rocks for you. More than likely as with most of the areas they scouted, they just wanted to see areas where Fawley was known to frequent. Who better to take them to these places than friends and ex-girlfriends like Erin?

Like I said before, its difficult for me to find LINKS to my personal conversations with Hildy, but why are you so pressed for me to get links? Several people on this thread made unlinked assesments, and I didn't see you get hot and bothered.

I'm sure your mind et al are in tact. I didn't accuse you of being insane. I just posted things that I found to either false or questionable.

Now you say your info is directly from all that online information. How much of it, if any, is your interpretation? I don't know if she's lying online, but let me say this if I started a Hildy blog where I posted my memory of conversations with her, would that make what I say up here any more 'factual' or 'backed up'?