Pictures of a pond

[jace]

On our local FOX channel tonight at ten they showed a picture (actually three pictures) of a pond. They were asking if anyone recognized the pond to call investigators. They also said that investigators wouldn't say how it related to the Taylor Behl case. Anyone have any ideas?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by jace
On our local FOX channel tonight at ten they showed a picture (actually three pictures) of a pond. They were asking if anyone recognized the pond to call investigators. They also said that investigators wouldn't say how it related to the Taylor Behl case. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for posting this, Jace!

Did they say where the pond was located?

Is the pond in Mathews County, Richmond, or somewhere in between?

Perhaps the pond, like the property belonging to Erin Crabill's family, was one of the photos Fawley took which LE happened upon. In that case, Erin came forward to identify the photo, and of course, that was where Taylor's body was found.

Perhaps LE is hoping for the same result, possibly containing evidence of the crime at the location of this pond.

Another possibility is that LE found the camera BF claimed was stolen the night Taylor disappeared (when he claimed he was captured by unknowns who placed a bag over his head). If LE found that camera, and it contained a photo of a pond, which was taken the night Taylor disappeared, perhaps the pond is somehow linked to her murder.

IMO

[jace]

Hey Paula, I wish I could answer that. I was in the room but not really paying attention. I heard the name Taylor Behl and looked at the TV. I saw the pictures, which honestly looked like they could have been taken anywhere. Alot of trees and a rather large pond. They didn't say where the pond was located and since they asked if anyone recognized it I assumed they didn't know where it was. Seems a little hard to believe. That's a good theory though about them finding the camera. Hopefully there willl be something in the paper this morning. I'm not sure where you are but they replay the news on Cox Channel 5 (Hampton Roads) here but I'm not able to see it today cuz I'm at work.

[jace]

I was looking at another site and found some info on the pictures. I was beginning to think I had imagined it after looking all other the local tv sites.
There is an article at http://www.dailypress.com/news/loca...p-news-local-mp

[jace]

Oops. This link works:


http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/middlepeninsula/dp-29191sy0nov29,0,295758.story?coll=dp-news-local-mp

[TN_Profiler]

The wooded pond in the photos, Lauziere conceded, "may have no significance. "But based on where we found the photos, we believe it may have some significance. It may help us fill in any gaps. It's important to know everything we can know."

Based on this quote from the article linked above ..... it sure indicates this may have come from a camera belonging to Benny Boy. The other thought is that it is from a camera belonging to Taylor. (assuming she even had one)????

I have two thoughts .... they are still trying to locate some missing items that Taylor owned (cell phone, etc..) and maybe Benny Boy commented that he through them into a pond. The other thought is they are walking on the properties that Benny Boy photographed to see if there is anything thing else that indicates criminal activity.

My instincts tell me that this was on one of BF's camera's AFTER the fact. Camera's collect photographs sequentially and they may have determined this by date or by the sequence of what was filmed. Hmmmm, interesting to say the least.

[nibblet]

Don't you think Erin and her family and especially Mathews County LE would recognize the pond if it were in their area?

I wonder if it isn't on the way back to Richmond or more towards Virginia Beach - he sometimes wrote about going to Va Beach.

It would be nice if they posted the pictures so the public could help....

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by nibblet
Don't you think Erin and her family and especially Mathews County LE would recognize the pond if it were in their area?



I think if the pond was on their land they would be able to identify it.

The picture must be taken from the shoreline and that in itself will make it hard to identify. You would need to have a picture that disclosed enough of the pond so size could be determined.

Agreed, they should post the photo so residents can help.

[nibblet]

Here are the pictures of the pond.


http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4177765&nav=23ii


Okay middle peninsula, lower peninsula, Richmond, and Northern Neck folks, recognize this area?

:)

[TN_Profiler]

Way to go Nibblet!

I am hopeful that someone will recognize the pond but after looking at the pictures it will be easy to understand why it will be hard.

[nibblet]

I wish these could be enlarged - across the pond/lake in the background it looks as if there are some sort of low-level structures - looks as if there is either a small shoreline or a wall - maybe a small dam - can't tell very well.

On the right side of the pond/lake there looks to be a moss-like film on the water. :confused:

[4MYGUYS]

I sure wish these pix were larger. I am in the Richmond area, and this looks to me like there may be 1-2 boats in the distance and a dock, so possibly a branch off of one of the rivers???

[nibblet]

I can enlarge the pictures somewhat with Microsoft Picture Manager and not distort them.

It looks almost as if these were taken through a window. There seems to be some sort of white flash-back in the lower part of the pictures - plus a bit of hazy glare like color bleed to the left side.

Plus, some slight white foam from wave action lapping the shore in the foreground.

I can see why you think there could be boats in the background 4MYGUYS.

[4MYGUYS]

nibblet can you post your pix? Also I think the orange bits on the right could be orange trumpet vine flowers, common & wild in this area. It really looks like a dock and boats in the distance the more I look at it.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by 4MYGUYS
nibblet can you post your pix? Also I think the orange bits on the right could be orange trumpet vine flowers, common & wild in this area. It really looks like a dock and boats in the distance the more I look at it.

I don't know how I can post -- we have had some people on this board who are really good with enlarging pics and have the capability to post to a site. I just need to remember their names...

Do you have Microsoft Office Picture Manager? I have also Adobe Photoshop but it distored the picture.

I copied the pictures to my desktop (.jpg) and then right clicked on one of them. Opened with Picture Manager.

I then selected Edit Picture. Then selected Resize and gradually enlarged with Percentage of Original Width and Height.

[Hey Paula]

It's a crying shame that such a lovely place might be connected to such a horrific crime!

IMO

[LADY2NOW]

It would be a great idea if LE circulated the pond pictures to local real estate offices. I'll bet there's a realtor out there who could identify the location....

[memap1965]

I did what nibblet said to do (save picture to computer) and here's my take on it:
It looks to me like that is a stone wall (short and not manmade) with cars parked to the left. It looks to me as if the pictures were taken out a window with a screen. I can see some of the screen mesh. To the right there seems to be shallow water. I don't know if it's green, or if it's just that shallow that you see the bed. Hmmmm...interesting.

JMO

[Gary C]

Slightly better pictures and a video report courtesy of Richmond, VA NBC12

http://www.wwbt.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WWBT/MGArticle/WBT_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768414918

[Gary C]

Here's slightly better versions than the ones I posted earlier tonight...

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/112005/11292005/1133306329

Credit to Websleuths forum

[Gary C]

Sorry to keep reposting. Darn 5-minute limit on editing existing posts.

Google pointed me to this article from NBC4. While the article itself contains nothing new, it had an even better picture of the pond in question. Playing w/ the address of the image, I found a 640x480 version.

The article:
http://www.nbc4.com/news/5426588/detail.html

NBC4's "enlarged" version:
http://www.nbc4.com/image/5429213/detail.html

Even better version:
http://images.ibsys.com/2005/1129/5429213.jpg

[CC81]

well this is the best I can do without any fancy dancy image software... I used micro. frontpage to enlarge the images.

***these are fairly large images, so it may take a bit to load when using dialup***

www.chokechain.net/tb.html (http://www.chokechain.net/tb.html)

excuse the website that the images are hosted on... couldn't keep the original blowup size when using photobucket and didn't feel like searching for another company to host.

[TN_Profiler]

Wow, you guys are really making me feel computer illiterate. Thanks for the enhancements! Great job!

Stupid question - how do we know this is a pond and not a stream/river? From the pics, it is not conclusive to me.

Any thoughts?:shrug:

[jace]

Thanks. I was burning my eyes out trying to find something in those small pics I had. I had picked up on the face before looking at your smaller pictures where you point that out. Does it look like a skull to anyone else? I wondered if maybe it was a reflection from something on someone's t-shirt.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
Wow, you guys are really making me feel computer illiterate. Thanks for the enhancements! Great job!

Stupid question - how do we know this is a pond and not a stream/river? From the pics, it is not conclusive to me.

Any thoughts?:shrug:

Howdy TN!:seeya:

Although I am by no means a waterways expert, there is a "duck pond" within walking distance to me, in Bronxville, where I love to take walks.

It looks much like the photo, complete with the surface pond scum, which is visible in the photos supplied by our posters.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by jace
Thanks. I was burning my eyes out trying to find something in those small pics I had. I had picked up on the face before looking at your smaller pictures where you point that out. Does it look like a skull to anyone else? I wondered if maybe it was a reflection from something on someone's t-shirt.

If you go over to RiehlWorld and look at some of the pictures there, the first one shows what looks like a face upside down. (lower right-hand corner, to the left of the greenery). When you turn it around, the picture looks like a skull--sunken eyes...eerie.

I know very little about photography but it seems he was overlaying pictures or something happened with his camera. It gives the effect that he was shooting through a window.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/taylor_behl/index.html

I'd like to see a better blow up of the picture with the white in the background - low structures or inclines of white sand????

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nibblet


If you go over to RiehlWorld and look at some of the pictures there, the first one shows what looks like a face upside down. (lower right-hand corner, to the left of the greenery). When you turn it around, the picture looks like a skull--sunken eyes...eerie.

I know very little about photography but it seems he was overlaying pictures or something happened with his camera. It gives the effect that he was shooting through a window.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/taylor_behl/index.html

I'd like to see a better blow up of the picture with the white in the background - low structures or inclines of white sand????

Hi there Nibblet! :seeya:

I can't help but wonder if LE found BF's "stolen" camera and found this picture on the film.

I agree that it does appear that the photo might have been taken through a window (such as from a vehicle). I wonder if LE thought about taking a photo from Taylor's car to see if they capture the same space view as the pond photo?

It's great to see you!

[spiderwalk]

Hi Folks,
It is good to have something new released for us to discuss and investigate.
Here is a link to court tv's Crime Library article.
It is dated today. By Steve Huff

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/3001_behl_pond_photos.html

This article suggests that the pictures were found on BF's computer.

[wbxhc]

Originally posted by spiderwalk
Hi Folks,
It is good to have something new released for us to discuss and investigate.
Here is a link to court tv's Crime Library article.
It is dated today. By Steve Huff

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/3001_behl_pond_photos.html

This article suggests that the pictures were found on BF's computer.

That is what I was going to say. I thought that they might have been able to discover that stuff from his computer. We know for sure that they have his computer. We are not sure and just speculating that they found his "stolen" camera.

I doubt that the camera will ever be discovered. He seemed to plan this thing out way too well to just hide the camera. He may still have the memory card but I think that the camera is history. Just MO.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by spiderwalk
Hi Folks,
It is good to have something new released for us to discuss and investigate.
Here is a link to court tv's Crime Library article.
It is dated today. By Steve Huff

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/3001_behl_pond_photos.html

This article suggests that the pictures were found on BF's computer.

Thanks, spiderwalk, for the article and to everyone else who has posted the pictures. Like TN_P, I wonder why authorities are so sure they're looking for a pond. Some of the enlargements of one of the pictures look as though they could have been taken from my own backyard on a late spring or summer day, and I live near the head of a navigable creek that flows into one of Virginia's major rivers. I wonder if LE was able to recover BF's file names for these pics--maybe his file names suggest a pond.

There does appear to be either a boat or a white vehicle just to the right of the building(s). In one of the pics, the building looks to me like it could be a two-story house. IMO, all of the little white dots on the water are either tree blossoms on the water 's surface or tiny ripples on the surface that the sunlight picked up.

I wish some of the news stations/print media had provided more/better prints of the pic with the building in it!

As I stated before, I wish LE would circulate these pics among the real estate dealers in the area (Middle Peninsula, Northern Neck). If that really is a house in the picture, some, if not many, realtors are sure to know where it is. Most of the real estate dealers around here know the area like the backs of their hands!

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by nibblet



I'd like to see a better blow up of the picture with the white in the background - low structures or inclines of white sand????

On second thought, I think you're right, nibblet. I played around some with the pics and the more I look at the white, it's looking more and more like sand and possibly a pier or dock (no two-story structure like I thought before--the perspective is all wrong...duh!). Is it normal, though, for so much pristine-looking sand to be at the edge of a pond? I just don't know.

Does anyone have any idea what that vertical oblong structure is (it's sort of greenish brown)? In the pic that shows the "face", it's just to the left of the "face". In the pic with the white background, it's sort of in the right center. It appears to me to be in the water, not on the far shore. It doesn't look like a duck blind. If this is a pond we're looking at and not a creek or river inlet, could it be an aerator or pump (in case it's a stocked pond)? Are aerator's that big?

[nibblet]

:seeya:

Hi Paula! Hope you (and everyone else) had a good Thanksgiving!

Well, I have now pulled out the BIG magnifying glass. I now think that what I originally thought was a low wall is now just a variation in the flow and color of the water.

And, I think the white "things" are inclines of sand or maybe even rock.

Though, in one of the pictures in the far upper-left, it almost looks like a tower in the distance - maybe a cell tower or one with electrical lines.

I don't think the distance across the water is that far. It is interesting that the Steve Huff article suggested an old filled in construction quarry -- brought back memories of going to old quarries near Harrisonburg while in college. Neat little swimming holes.

But, this site reminds me of property we own in Westmoreland County. We have an unbuilt lot in a community off the river - many little inlets with boat slips; several ponds/lakes for swimming and fishing with basically no wide sandy beaches. Same vegetation.

But then again, the eastern side of Virginia has many, many scenes just like this.

I wonder if LE has had any luck with tips yet...

[nibblet]

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


Does anyone have any idea what that vertical oblong structure is (it's sort of greenish brown)? In the pic that shows the "face", it's just to the left of the "face". In the pic with the white background, it's sort of in the right center. It appears to me to be in the water, not on the far shore. It doesn't look like a duck blind. If this is a pond we're looking at and not a creek or river inlet, could it be an aerator or pump (in case it's a stocked pond)? Are aerator's that big?

Hey Lady!

I think I see what you are talking about but I haven't a clue - a huge rock? :confused:

[curious mom]

If you go to the link below, there is an article written about the pictures. If you click on the link within that article, there is a very good blown up picture with some of the things being discussed here highlighted.

I also saved the blown up picture to my computer, and blew it up even more with IrfanView. You can blow it up this way several times without losing the resolution.

http://taylorbehl.notagz.com/

[wbxhc]

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


I wonder if LE was able to recover BF's file names for these pics--maybe his file names suggest a pond.




Lady,

From looking at most of BF's pictures on the web I did take notice that most of the titles of his pictures were changed to resemble what was in the picture. (lefties are usually more perceptive than righties, we also die sooner, me being left handed took notice to silly details like this) Obviously he had to alter the titles. I don't know how techie you are but with digital cameras the file is saved with some preconfigured file names in sequential order (sony = msc00001.jpg, olympus=OLM00001.jpg, etc). Maybe he just changed the names of the pictures he posted. He might not have changed all the file names and that is why LE is looking for public help. Who knows. Just a hunch.

[spiderwalk]

Originally posted by curious mom
If you go to the link below, there is an article written about the pictures. If you click on the link within that article, there is a very good blown up picture with some of the things being discussed here highlighted.

I also saved the blown up picture to my computer, and blew it up even more with IrfanView. You can blow it up this way several times without losing the resolution.

http://taylorbehl.notagz.com/

Thanks for the great link curious mom! IMO when looking at the pictures I don't see any docks, structures or towers. The pond appears to be too small in diameter and distance to have anything more than a slight rocky shore line on it's borders.

I did note that the leaves on one of the trees are starting to turn red and orange. That may be a clue as to when the picture was taken. Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? or when the earliest time of the fall season the leaves start to turn colors in that area?

[curious mom]

"when the earliest time of the fall season the leaves start to turn colors in that area?"

I'm in more of the southern/central part of Va, and the leaves started turning here very late Sept or very early Oct. Richmond is warmer than our area here, so it should have been later than this when the leaves started turning there.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by spiderwalk


Thanks for the great link curious mom! IMO when looking at the pictures I don't see any docks, structures or towers. The pond appears to be too small in diameter and distance to have anything more than a slight rocky shore line on it's borders.

I did note that the leaves on one of the trees are starting to turn red and orange. That may be a clue as to when the picture was taken. Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? or when the earliest time of the fall season the leaves start to turn colors in that area?

I'm in the Northern Neck part of Virginia. Though our autumn eventually got off to a late start this year, we had a very dry spell from late August through about mid-October. During that time, a few leaves started changing color and falling--trees with smaller leaves seemed to take the biggest hit. Once the rains came in mid-October, the trees went "back to normal" and then didn't change until November.

The specks on the water might be leaves. I've looked at the pics over and over and I can't tell if the far shoreline is rocky (suggesting riprap that is generally used to control erosion from tidal action, which would not be an issue on a pond) or just a lot of "leaves" or ripples in the water. The vertical structure I mentioned earlier is really sort of a short stumpy thing that can be faintly seen right of center in the picture with the whitish background and left of center in the picture with the "face". It may just be vegetation, but it's kind of compact in nature.

Thanks also curiousmom for reminding me about the method used by digital cameras for naming files. I was just assuming (maybe wrongly) that since the investigator said the pics were found in deleted files on one of BF's computers that BF had probably re-named the files. Since you're a "lefty", you probably pick up on a lot of things us "righties" pass right over!

[Dorkette]

Hi Lady2now,
That is a great idea about sending the photos to real estate agents! I am going to suggest that to the investigators.

Dorkette

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Hi Lady2now,
That is a great idea about sending the photos to real estate agents! I am going to suggest that to the investigators.

Dorkette

Hi Dorkette,

For a quick list of real estate brokers in the Middle Peninsula and Northern Neck, investigators can go to

http://www.chesapeakebayva.com/

I hope that investigators are able to come up with the location of these pics quite soon. You are in my prayers.

--Sue

[Jennifer33]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Hi Lady2now,
That is a great idea about sending the photos to real estate agents! I am going to suggest that to the investigators.

Dorkette

:seeya:
Hi Dorkette!

Thought about you at prayer time around the family Thanksgiving day....and now.

[Dorkette]

Hello Jennifer:seeya:

Thanks for the prayer on Thanksgiving. I ran away to the beach for a few days so it didn't even feel like Thanksgiving.



Hello Sue :seeya:

I sent the investigators the link you posted - thank you. You never know what will help them !


FYI - I am supposed to be on Court TV Friday at 5pm (eastern) and on Fox News on Sunday at 9pm - just talking about the pond photos, not that I can add anything but at least the photos are getting some air time.

Take care,
Dorkette

[Jennifer33]

Any air time is good air time Dorkette. I will be looking for you on Court TV. Stay strong...it doesn't matter what you can add...it's that your there and continue to fight...with a fleet of soldiers looking out for you every step of the way
;)

[nibblet]

Dorkette:

I'm sure someone will recognize the site soon. Those white sand inclines or whatever they are are somewhat of a help.

I hope you got some rest at the beach. I hope everyone's messages of support are helping especially during this time of the year.

Take care,

Karen :seeya:

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Dorkette



FYI - I am supposed to be on Court TV Friday at 5pm (eastern) and on Fox News on Sunday at 9pm - just talking about the pond photos, not that I can add anything but at least the photos are getting some air time.

Take care,
Dorkette

Dorkette,

Looking forward to seeing you on the show tonight and Sunday. I am sure that the pond will be identified soon.

My dad passed away before the holidays last year so I skipped them all together. Decided the holidays just weren't going to be the same for a while so this year we are headed on a ski vacation instead of hosting a traditional X-mas. Thought you would be having a similar "blue" holiday so I started my T-giving prayer thinking of you.

Hope the beach was a positive alternative for you.

[wsny]

Yes, I am sure someone will recognize this "pond". Besides real estate agents, others who might travel this type of area would be hikers, fishermen or those who canoe or kayak in the area. When I first saw the pictures of the "pond", the pictures reminded me of pictures posted on the internet by BF that depicted a location or locations where he took his children swimming and to observe dragonflies. At least one of these pictures was taken in the James river with Richmond visible in the distance. I have read other posts on the "pond" by people who are familiar with the James river and believe that the "pond" photos resemble the vegetation and water found on the river. I would imagine the pictures could have been taken from the bank of a river, pond or lake or from a small island within the body of water. The water appears to be fresh water since the vegetation grows over the water and this would tend to eliminate the "creek" areas in Mathews county since salt or brackish water would not allow for this type of vegetation. There does appear to be a few ponds and rivers along the route from Mathews county to Richmond but not many that are easily accsesible from the route. Knowing the time of day the pictures were taken would help to identify direction in the pictures secondary to the position of the sun.

To those who continue to look for conjectured images in these photos, stop. Realize that the loser being investigated in this case is not a highly intelligent individual. He is an obsessed unstable individual who broke into an ex girlfriends house with a hammer and mace and someone who tried to implicate another girlfriend in his abduction the night of Taylor's disappearance. There may be some truths in his abduction story, however it wasn't his abduction.

To Dorkette...my heartfelt condolences

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by wsny

I have read other posts on the "pond" by people who are familiar with the James river and believe that the "pond" photos resemble the vegetation and water found on the river. I would imagine the pictures could have been taken from the bank of a river, pond or lake or from a small island within the body of water.


WSNY - I mentioned earlier that I am not convinced this is a pond. Unless there is information about this photo that I have not been told, I cannot see enough of the water to declare it a pond or slow moving river. ??

That being said, I suggest we hold Benny-boys head under water until he magically remembers where the photo was taken.

[Jennifer33]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler


WSNY - I mentioned earlier that I am not convinced this is a pond. Unless there is information about this photo that I have not been told, I cannot see enough of the water to declare it a pond or slow moving river. ??

That being said, I suggest we hold Benny-boys head under water until he magically remembers where the photo was taken.

Can I help? Please?

:flamemad:

[Jennifer33]

May I just say that Janet looked beautiful on Catherine Crier?

[Dorkette]

Hello friends,

Welcome WSNY - I sent your info to the investigators - maybe there is something in there that will help them.

TN - sorry about your dad. I skipped T-day and I so agree with you about the skiing at Christmas. That is what I am planning this year also - don't break a leg or anything.

Jennifer, your comments made me smile - thank you!

Yes, all the comments, thoughts and prayers do help me. You have no idea how much reading and writing to you guys means to me.

I owe so many people so many thanks - there is no way to get to all of them but they are in my heart and I am thankful, so thankful.

Dorkette

[SPC]

Hi, I am new here. Everyone did such a great job blowing up the photos so that people can get a clearer view of their contents which will help someone identify the area better. I have an idea that may prove completely useless, but it's just an idea.
Has anyone tried to convert the images into black and white or a negative view so that the objects in them have a higher contrast? Just a thought. Good work everyone.:)

Another thought, the investigators may have already done this, but maybe contact the Fish and Game Dept.? They should be familiar with rural areas.

[Jennifer33]

Dorkette (may I still call you Dorkette??) let me just tell you that I cannot wait untill this message board dedicated to Taylor is blasted with more and more support as it takes center stage. It is unbelieveable the action that is brought forth when there are so many out here that truly care. I devote probably more time than healthy to thinking and reliving these crimes inside my wee little brain. I don't normally have too many "intellectual" comments to add, but you can bet your sweet patootie I'm going to do my gol' darndest to show you compassion, and well wishes...and well, I might as well let you know right off the bat I get HEATED :flamemad: ...and more times than not, my comments will go un-noticed because it's emotions I pour out. Just to for warn ya.

The power of prayer for strength is something I no longer question, since it has gotten me through more than one rough spot in my life. And if the strength of all of us surounding you brings the slightest bit of compfort to you, my dear, you can rest assured it will be done. :rose:

[Dorkette]

Welcome to you, SPC and I think that is a brillant idea! I will work on sending them the photos. Do you know how to make the photos black & white - is it an easy process?


Jennifer, please feel free to call me Janet. Where are you from Jennifer? Don't worry about the emotional writings - they help you and they help me, so write.

Dorkette

[Jennifer33]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Welcome to you, SPC and I think that is a brillant idea! I will work on sending them the photos. Do you know how to make the photos black & white - is it an easy process?


Jennifer, please feel free to call me Janet. Where are you from Jennifer? Don't worry about the emotional writings - they help you and they help me, so write.

Dorkette

Ok, "Janet"..thanks..

I live in Michigan, where the weather changes every 7 seconds!!

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by wsny
Yes, I am sure someone will recognize this "pond". Besides real estate agents, others who might travel this type of area would be hikers, fishermen or those who canoe or kayak in the area. When I first saw the pictures of the "pond", the pictures reminded me of pictures posted on the internet by BF that depicted a location or locations where he took his children swimming and to observe dragonflies. At least one of these pictures was taken in the James river with Richmond visible in the distance. I have read other posts on the "pond" by people who are familiar with the James river and believe that the "pond" photos resemble the vegetation and water found on the river. I would imagine the pictures could have been taken from the bank of a river, pond or lake or from a small island within the body of water. The water appears to be fresh water since the vegetation grows over the water and this would tend to eliminate the "creek" areas in Mathews county since salt or brackish water would not allow for this type of vegetation. There does appear to be a few ponds and rivers along the route from Mathews county to Richmond but not many that are easily accsesible from the route. Knowing the time of day the pictures were taken would help to identify direction in the pictures secondary to the position of the sun.

To those who continue to look for conjectured images in these photos, stop. Realize that the loser being investigated in this case is not a highly intelligent individual. He is an obsessed unstable individual who broke into an ex girlfriends house with a hammer and mace and someone who tried to implicate another girlfriend in his abduction the night of Taylor's disappearance. There may be some truths in his abduction story, however it wasn't his abduction.

To Dorkette...my heartfelt condolences

Hi wsny!

You've made some good, perceptive points in your post. However, I still think the "pond" might be an inlet, creek or tidal pool very near a river (Rappahannock, James, Piankatank, East, North, Severn) or possibly even the Bay (the white sand--if that's what it is--is consistent with the sandy beaches found along these waterways.) I live in the Northern Neck of Virginia near the head of a creek (salt water) that flows into the Corrotoman River not far from the Rappahannock. The vegetation along our bank is heavy and grows right over, and in some cases into, the creek (bay laurel and holly, pine, walnut, poplar, cherry trees, etc.). Our creek has several coves and inlets where the water itself can, depending on conditions, look very similar to the water in the pics. Some bits of shoreline even have white sand. I just don't want LE/investigators to rule out a tidal body of salt water unless they are 100% sure that the pics are of a pond!

Hi Dorkette!

Your stamina and strength are a message to us all. I thought of another group of people who might be able to identify the location of the pics. In one of the articles I read (can't remember which one now), it stated that Mathews County was the location of one or more "beaches" popular with VCU students. I wonder if LE could circulate the pics among the student body in some efficient way to see if any of the students recognize the area.

In an aside, if BF contends that Taylor's death was "accidental" (yeah, right) and occured in her car at a beach area in Mathews County, why hasn't he identified the exact location of her death? Why also has he not identified the location of these "pond" pics? Why also did he seek out an attorney (Chris Collins) well-versed in capital murder cases prior to Taylor's remains being found?

[nibblet]

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


.....In an aside, if BF contends that Taylor's death was "accidental" (yeah, right) and occured in her car at a beach area in Mathews County, why hasn't he identified the exact location of her death? Why also has he not identified the location of these "pond" pics? Why also did he seek out an attorney (Chris Collins) well-versed in capital murder cases prior to Taylor's remains being found?

If he isn't telling the location of Taylor's cell phone, student ID, keys, etc., then I can guess he has other incriminating evidence hidden with these items.

Have university geology professors been contacted? William and Mary, UVA, JMU, VCU, and VA Tech may be able to shed some light - unless the experts have done all they can and that is why LE feels this location is around Mathews County.

I agree with Lady - this look more like an inlet versus a pond. That is interesting, Lady, that you mention that trees grow into the water. Now that I can see the picture more clearly with the small trees growing in the water, I didn't know if that was normal or from a flooding event.

BTW, my healing broken foot is telling me we might be in for some snow in the next day or so -- it is hurting like a rat!


:seeya:

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler


Dorkette,

Looking forward to seeing you on the show tonight and Sunday. I am sure that the pond will be identified soon.

My dad passed away before the holidays last year so I skipped them all together. Decided the holidays just weren't going to be the same for a while so this year we are headed on a ski vacation instead of hosting a traditional X-mas. Thought you would be having a similar "blue" holiday so I started my T-giving prayer thinking of you.

Hope the beach was a positive alternative for you.

TN_P-

My condolences to you. It comes right down to one thing--you do whatever you need to do after the loss of a loved one. My Mom died last year on December 7. After the funeral, my sisters and I decided to celebrate the holidays anyway (in an abbreviated fashion--we skipped the cards, many gifts, etc.) but made the extra effort to get everyone together in one place for once (my Dad, my sisters, their husbands, and my youngest sister's kids--they, especially, needed the celebration since they're still quite young). We had a lot of tears but also a lot of laughter in my Mom's honor since she was one of the funniest (and smartest) people I've ever had the privilege of knowing. I can't help but think that my Mom was already "there" to help and comfort Taylor. My Mom had an explosive laugh. From everything I've learned of Taylor, she's bringing my Mom a lot of joy and laughter right now. I hope my Mom is doing the same for Taylor.

[LADY2NOW]

This is a nibblet post from the "J...P...to be on C...C...tonight" thread:

"Thanks Jennifer. They could probably eliminate quite a few sites also.

You know, when the first reports came out of the pond pictures (Jace, I believe alerted us), there were no sites posting the pictures yet.

I wrote to the reporter in, I think it was Hampton, to ask that he post the pictures on the internet. I checked that email account today and he had sent me a word file with the pictures blown up -- very sharp.

I am now seeing what I believe are black ducks on the water. And, Lady - you wondered about something sticking up out of the water - it looks to be a little tree.

If you want this file sent to you, either send me a PM or leave your email on this site and I'd be happy to forward to you."

Nibblet--

Hope you don't mind that I copied your post to this thread--I want to make sure that anyone interested has the opportunity to see the fabulous copies of the pics you received. You're right. That structure in the water is probably a tree--actually a tree trunk. I've seen this many times along the water's edge in the Middle Peninsula and Northern Neck (over the past 35+ years), in ponds, creeks, rivers and even along the shoreline of the Chesapeake Bay.

Here's hoping your healing broken foot doesn't cause you too much trouble over the next few days. I broke my wrist a few years ago and I still have to do the physical therapy exercises when the weather's bad...it helps!

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Jennifer33


Can I help? Please?

:flamemad:

I know you stand in the long line of supporters for Janet .....

however, there is also a long line of people who would love to hold that jack***** Benny-boy under water.

Therefore, I respectfully say ..... you'll have to wait your turn.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


TN_P-

My condolences to you. It comes right down to one thing--you do whatever you need to do after the loss of a loved one. My Mom died last year on December 7. After the funeral, my sisters and I decided to celebrate the holidays anyway (in an abbreviated fashion--we skipped the cards, many gifts, etc.) but made the extra effort to get everyone together in one place for once (my Dad, my sisters, their husbands, and my youngest sister's kids--they, especially, needed the celebration since they're still quite young). We had a lot of tears but also a lot of laughter in my Mom's honor since she was one of the funniest (and smartest) people I've ever had the privilege of knowing. I can't help but think that my Mom was already "there" to help and comfort Taylor. My Mom had an explosive laugh. From everything I've learned of Taylor, she's bringing my Mom a lot of joy and laughter right now. I hope my Mom is doing the same for Taylor.

Thanks Lady. Sorry to hear of your loss. The timing is never good but near the holidays seems to make it especially tough.

I have resigned myself to the fact that things will be different from now on. I have elected to adapt to the change by making a few changes in how we celebrate the holidays. We all grieve in our own way but we share the common sadness of loss.

You are now officially on my list of prayers. May your good memories of your mom outnumbered your sad moments.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Hello friends,


TN - sorry about your dad. I skipped T-day and I so agree with you about the skiing at Christmas. That is what I am planning this year also - don't break a leg or anything.

Dorkette

Don't break a leg? Ha, ha funny girl! So now your picking on your forum supporters? That's OK, we take this as a sign that you like us! This is good. :D

We like you too.:biggrin:

Hi, Janet.

Just wanted to wish you the best and let you know that I am sending you prayers for strength to help you see this through. You are an inspiration to us all. As a mother of 3 daughters, I commend your grace and courage. God Bless!!

Happy Holidays, All!!

[Dorkette]

Tn- yes, I would only joke with those that I like.

Angels03 - thank you for your prayers - they do help and are very comforting! 3 girls! How wonderful.

Good night all.

Dorkette

[SPC]

Dorkette,
I am sorry I didn't get to reply to your questions about converting the images to black and white. I was out of town until today, but what great news to come home to, to find that they have identified the location! As many others I am waiting, holding my breath to get the news that they have found the key that breaks the case and puts him away forever. I live in California and we have seen too many criminals slip through the cracks when it was clear they were guilty of their crimes. Let this time be the time justice is served.

My prayers and thoughts are with you, Janet.

[nibblet]

He hid the stuff somewhere. It's just going to take a bit longer.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768595097&path=!news&s=1045855934842

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by nibblet
He hid the stuff somewhere. It's just going to take a bit longer.

Thanks for the update Nibblet. I don't consider this a set back but rather a piece of a full investigation.

To correctly investigate a case you need to rule out and rule in evidence. Today, this particular pond is ruled out.

[stillw8n4aqt]

Originally posted by jace
Thanks. I was burning my eyes out trying to find something in those small pics I had. I had picked up on the face before looking at your smaller pictures where you point that out. Does it look like a skull to anyone else? I wondered if maybe it was a reflection from something on someone's <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.qklinkserver.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=&k=t%20shirt" onmouseover="window.status='t-shirt'">t-shirt</a>.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!

is there a third picture? wavy tv 10 has a picture that i have never seen before. it looks like it is taken more to the left than the others

[Kawaii]

Do we even know that this is in fact Taylor's mom?!?!

For all we know it could be someone just trying to get attention.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by Kawaii
Do we even know that this is in fact Taylor's mom?!?!

For all we know it could be someone just trying to get attention.

YES, this is Taylor's mother. I know.

Enough said.

[Hey Paula]

I wonder if LE can call Taylor's cell phone, then track the call to the tower and general area of where the phone is?

Perhaps the area might be recognizable from photos in BF's online gallery, or those LE has in their possession.

ETA: Hi Nibblet and Janet! :seeya:

[nibblet]

:seeya:

Hi Paula!

I think Taylor's mom and dad tried the number for awhile when she first disappeared until it was determined the battery had gone.

Was the cell phone ever found? I recall a few cell phones were found during the search of BF's apartment but I think at the time it was determined that none were Taylor's. With the gag order in place we won't know what else has been found for awhile.

Kawaii: I didn't mean to sound so gruff in my post. We are ecstatic to have Dorkette reading and posting here and hope that through our comments and exchanges with her, it can help in some small way during this trying time.

She had a daughter who meant everything in the world to her cruelly taken from her in a horrific, evil fashion.

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by nibblet
:seeya:

Hi Paula!

I think Taylor's mom and dad tried the number for awhile when she first disappeared until it was determined the battery had gone.

Was the cell phone ever found? I recall a few cell phones were found during the search of BF's apartment but I think at the time it was determined that none were Taylor's. With the gag order in place we won't know what else has been found for awhile.

Kawaii: I didn't mean to sound so gruff in my post. We are ecstatic to have Dorkette reading and posting here and hope that through our comments and exchanges with her, it can help in some small way during this trying time.

She had a daughter who meant everything in the world to her cruelly taken from her in a horrific, evil fashion.

No I wasn't offended. I was just questioning it b/c it just seemed odd that she would be posting and talking to people the way she is. Cino and a few others would rather people believe that it isn't her so I thought I should throw the question out there and set the record straight with someone's response.

[Dorkette]

Kawaii,
Why do you feel it is odd that I am posting my thoughts? How do you know that Cino and others find it odd?

Dorkette

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Kawaii,
Why do you feel it is odd that I am posting my thoughts? How do you know that Cino and others find it odd?

Dorkette

Well odd is a bad word to use...I just thought it was random b/c people made it sound like you were being very private about everything. It was a surprise to see you on here. I have some good friends that talk to Mike sometimes and they had said something along those lines.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by nibblet
:seeya:



Kawaii: I didn't mean to sound so gruff in my post. We are ecstatic to have Dorkette reading and posting here and hope that through our comments and exchanges with her, it can help in some small way during this trying time.


I'd like to also chime in with my two cents on this matter. I've been a poster on this board from the early days of this case. This board has consistently been "pro Taylor and pro Janet" from the get go and that has not changed.

Janet's participation on this board has been nothing but a blessing. My private message box filled up the day she 1st posted because my friends on this board were so touched by her presence and shocked (in a good way) that she was interacting with us.

We gracioulsy welcome new posters to this site but I will caution you that any negative vibe towards Janet and/or Taylor on this site will put you on the top of everyone's shiiit list. That said, we are happy to see Janet's comments and exchanges and in return we express support, sympathy, prayers and extend sincere friendship to her as much as possible.

Oh one more thing .... we are now much more aware of the phases of the moon.

[TN_Profiler]

..... and one more thing, we fondly address Janet as "Dorkette".

Other than that, welcome to the board and we look forward to comments, questions, and observations from yet another point of view.

:)

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
..... and one more thing, we fondly address Janet as "Dorkette".

Other than that, welcome to the board and we look forward to comments, questions, and observations from yet another point of view.

:)

Ok well I am not "anti Janet or anti Taylor" I don't know why you would have thought that. I never said I was and never said anything to imply that I would be. I feel for Janet because I lost a really dear friend to another Richmond murder when I was 19 and I went through everything, everyday with his mother and I saw the toll it had on her. It is one thing to lose someone you love to natural causes. It is another thing to lose them to murder. From everything people have told me about Taylor, she was a very cool girl. There is absolutely nothing to be "anti" about when it comes to either of them.

I questioned if we knew it was actually Janet because of some of the things Mike has said to people.

I joined because I have alot of questions and the people that you can talk to irl are full of the gossip and lies and I wanted to try and hear some facts. It is sad to see the town I love go to crap b/c of losers like Ben. He is drain on society and completely NOT what Richmond and VCU is all about.

[Jennifer33]

Maybe Mike would like to join us out here in cyber land....I'm sure we would all find his posts facinating as well....

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Kawaii


Ok well I am not "anti Janet or anti Taylor" I don't know why you would have thought that.

I joined because I have alot of questions and the people that you can talk to irl are full of the gossip and lies and I wanted to try and hear some facts. It is sad to see the town I love go to crap b/c of losers like Ben. He is drain on society and completely NOT what Richmond and VCU is all about.

Kawaii - First I did not think/say you were anti - Janet. I'm just giving you the flavor of the board since you are new. Some boards are rather nasty and serve little purpose. This board has been filled with intelligent people who are posting thought provoking questions and sharing points of view. I'm sure you will find this to your liking.

Sorry to hear about RVA as it most certainly has been impacted by such a well known case. Hopefully it puts the problems of RVA front and center so one day the crime rates in that city are drastically reduced.

Richmond and VCU deserve to be better places for people to live.

Welcome and we all look forward to your participation.

:seeya:

[Kawaii]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler


Kawaii - First I did not think/say you were anti - Janet. I'm just giving you the flavor of the board since you are new. Some boards are rather nasty and serve little purpose. This board has been filled with intelligent people who are posting thought provoking questions and sharing points of view. I'm sure you will find this to your liking.

Sorry to hear about RVA as it most certainly has been impacted by such a well known case. Hopefully it puts the problems of RVA front and center so one day the crime rates in that city are drastically reduced.

Richmond and VCU deserve to be better places for people to live.

Welcome and we all look forward to your participation.

:seeya:

Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. It just came across kinda "rough" when I was reading it. This board seems to have strong support. I just hope that everyone will be open to all points of view.