Richard Ramirez

[Karin]

Karin send him a letter for his artwork. I know you can do it.

Oh sure Sara, you know Richie and I are so close now.........not! Haven't written him back since letter no.2. One day I'll have to share with you the content....

[Drumbum]

Oh sure Sara, you know Richie and I are so close now.........not! Haven't written him back since letter no.2. One day I'll have to share with you the content....

Sexuh pic Karin. :cool: Opps! Gotta stay on topic. I'll write R.R. I'll tell him what a ****** **** ********* ** he is.

[Karin]

Sexuh pic Karin. :cool: Opps! Gotta stay on topic. I'll write R.R. I'll tell him what a ****** **** ********* ** he is.

You should write richie, drummy, if anyone could persuade him to reveal himself it would be you......mr. charismatic:cool:

glad you like the latest pic....it's my cool, don't **** with me look......ha!

[Super Volcano]

Oh sure Sara, you know Richie and I are so close now.........not! Haven't written him back since letter no.2. One day I'll have to share with you the content....

Heck, I think most of us would also be interested in that letter's content. :beer:

[Drumbum]

You should write richie, drummy, if anyone could persuade him to reveal himself it would be you......mr. charismatic:cool:

glad you like the latest pic....it's my cool, don't **** with me look......ha!

He'd be scurred of me coz I'm a real man.

[Super Volcano]

Sexuh pic Karin. :cool: Opps! Gotta stay on topic. I'll write R.R. I'll tell him what a ****** **** ********* ** he is.

Hahahahaha I love it when you do your Elvis impersonation!!!!! (sp?) :D Ditto on telling R.R the SAME thing

[Drumbum]

Hahahahaha I love it when you do your Elvis impersonation!!!!! (sp?) :D Ditto on telling R.R the SAME thing

Well, ya know, I'm just a hunk a burnin luuv.

[Karin]

Heck, I think most of us would also be interested in that letter's content. :beer:

Hi SV, yes the content is interesting, but not worthy of wasting anyones time....Sara is privey for investigative reasons.......ha!

[Super Volcano]

He'd be scurred of me coz I'm a real man.

I am not sure what "impersonation" I should call you here, Grizzly Adams perhaps? ROFL :D:rose:

[Super Volcano]

Hi SV, yes the content is interesting, but not worthy of wasting anyones time....Sara is privey for investigative reasons.......ha!

Do you think it is REALLY from R.R? It is really weird, to read things from R.R, making himself seem like an average every day Joe Shmo. Kind of makes me feel sorry for him. Then all I have to do is look at his ugly mug, and realization kicks in, to what a **** he really is.

[SaraSidle]

Oh sure Sara, you know Richie and I are so close now.........not! Haven't written him back since letter no.2. One day I'll have to share with you the content....

cool. just trying to help lol. j/k

[Nathalie]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

[SaraSidle]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

yes he is still married to Doreen and she posts here once in a while. imo

[Karin]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

Hi Nathalie, yes this is a popular thread...how cool that your dad is a forensics guy...you will be popular here! I see that Sara answered your question about Doreen.....Welcome to the CL....we have alot of fun here.

oh by the way....as you go farther back in reading this thread you will see how ironic I think it is that your avvy is of feet.

[RogerV]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?


Hi Nathalie,
I'd actually recommend googling Richard Ramirez or "Night Stalker," as IMHO the writeup here on Crime Library isn't the best. More detailed accounts of his capture can be found elsewhere, actually.

Yes, as far as I know the "crazy girl" is still married to him... someone claiming to be her has posted on this site, but nobody seems to know for sure if it is really her.

I happened to be visiting the L.A. area when he was captured, and seem to remember that his MO usually, though not always, involved situations were he used unlocked doors or open windows to gain access to his victims' homes. The best defence against him was to secure doors and windows properly, though it was a hot summer, and that made for some discomfort.

On the other hand, each of his attacks was a little different, unlike most serial killers. Again, unlike most serial killers, his attacks came close together and he was stupid enough to leave fingerprints behind. The frequency of his attacks drastically heightened vigilance of both law enforcement and citizens, and that lead to his identification and capture.

Someone became suspicious of an orange Toyota, and reported it. It was found to be stolen, and at least one good fingerprint was found in it. The police staked it out, but he didn't come back for it. However, the print matched some left at at least one crime scene, and a computer search finally matched those prints with an existing record. His picture was released, and he was caught within 24 hours, largely due to the vigilance of ordinary citizens. They might well have killed him if Law Enforcement hadn't arrived on the scene promptly.

[Drumbum]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

Welcome. Jumping in with both feet eh? :)

[sharlock]

Welcome Nathalie,
I find all of these stories fascinating. If you are a crime buff like us it would be very cool to have a forensic scientist in the family. Look forward to reading your posts!

[Nathalie]

Hi Nathalie, yes this is a popular thread...how cool that your dad is a forensics guy...you will be popular here! I see that Sara answered your question about Doreen.....Welcome to the CL....we have alot of fun here.

oh by the way....as you go farther back in reading this thread you will see how ironic I think it is that your avvy is of feet.

Thanks for the warm welcome Karin. I do see what you mean about the feet and that is funny! Did you ever send Richard a picture of your feet? I would love to know how he responded to that?

[Nathalie]

Hi Nathalie,
I'd actually recommend googling Richard Ramirez or "Night Stalker," as IMHO the writeup here on Crime Library isn't the best. More detailed accounts of his capture can be found elsewhere, actually.

Yes, as far as I know the "crazy girl" is still married to him... someone claiming to be her has posted on this site, but nobody seems to know for sure if it is really her.

I happened to be visiting the L.A. area when he was captured, and seem to remember that his MO usually, though not always, involved situations were he used unlocked doors or open windows to gain access to his victims' homes. The best defence against him was to secure doors and windows properly, though it was a hot summer, and that made for some discomfort.

On the other hand, each of his attacks was a little different, unlike most serial killers. Again, unlike most serial killers, his attacks came close together and he was stupid enough to leave fingerprints behind. The frequency of his attacks drastically heightened vigilance of both law enforcement and citizens, and that lead to his identification and capture.

Someone became suspicious of an orange Toyota, and reported it. It was found to be stolen, and at least one good fingerprint was found in it. The police staked it out, but he didn't come back for it. However, the print matched some left at at least one crime scene, and a computer search finally matched those prints with an existing record. His picture was released, and he was caught within 24 hours, largely due to the vigilance of ordinary citizens. They might well have killed him if Law Enforcement hadn't arrived on the scene promptly.


Thanks for the condensed version! I think he got lucky that day, although I don't know to what end?

[Karin]

Thanks for the warm welcome Karin. I do see what you mean about the feet and that is funny! Did you ever send Richard a picture of your feet? I would love to know how he responded to that?

Hi Nathalie, no I never sent any pictures of my feet. I got a couple of letters back and have sorta lost interest in continuing. If I ever decide to write again, I'll be sure to send some feet. Can I borrow yours? Sent you a pm.

[SaraSidle]

Hi Nathalie, no I never sent any pictures of my feet. I got a couple of letters back and have sorta lost interest in continuing. If I ever decide to write again, I'll be sure to send some feet. Can I borrow yours? Sent you a pm.

I still think the nails should be painted red!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amy]

Hi Nathalie, no I never sent any pictures of my feet. I got a couple of letters back and have sorta lost interest in continuing. If I ever decide to write again, I'll be sure to send some feet. Can I borrow yours? Sent you a pm.

Maybe you wanna send mine--both the big toe nails have been removed..and with my old, dry skin, and the other nails painted red, or maybe black or green, maybe they will make him swear off feet forever!!!!! LOL

[Drumbum]

I still think the nails should be painted red!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not rainbow? Like, peace. :beer:

[Fish Face Frank]

Gee, maybe I should rush to answer this ad---and maybe make some money helping him sell his artwork!! Wonder how rich I would get? Wonder if I would have to submit pics of my feet? Golly gee, what to do, what to do? :shrug:

LMAO did he really ask you for that?

[Amy]

LMAO did he really ask you for that?

Not me!!! He did ask Karin, tho. I was just offering mine. lol

[Fish Face Frank]

Not me!!! He did ask Karin, tho. I was just offering mine. lol

And yet his wife deems this guy worthy to end her life over. :shrug:


I think it would creep me out to know that I was giving a serial killer beat off material. But I am sure THOUSANDS of girls have done it, or that wouldn't be the 1st thing he would mention when responding to a letter.

[Karin]

Maybe you wanna send mine--both the big toe nails have been removed..and with my old, dry skin, and the other nails painted red, or maybe black or green, maybe they will make him swear off feet forever!!!!! LOL

Hi Amy, you are cracking me up at the thought of your toes...ha ha! OK, I agree that your feet are the best choice....

[grneyes]

And yet his wife deems this guy worthy to end her life over. :shrug:


I think it would creep me out to know that I was giving a serial killer beat off material. But I am sure THOUSANDS of girls have done it, or that wouldn't be the 1st thing he would mention when responding to a letter.

Ewww gross, thanks for that mental image of RR Frank.......The thought of him whacking off to anything is disgusting.

[susie31023]

Ewww gross, thanks for that mental image of RR Frank.......The thought of him whacking off to anything is disgusting.

I agree GE. Actually the thought that he is allowed any letters at all is disgusting to me...:cuss:

[Drumbum]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

[susie31023]

DB, please tell me you didn't go there, LOL..That is just more information than I needed...~Suz

[SaraSidle]

i recall sean penn describing his experience being in jail with r.r.

Penn said r.r beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

whatever db

[Super Volcano]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

What was Sean Penn in jail for, and why would they put him in with a serial killer, like R.R? interesting. I feel bad for him that he got to see R.R's (ah hem) shrink a dink willy. I would go to a hypnotist to wash my memory clean of the experience!!!!:chicken:

[SaraSidle]

What was Sean Penn in jail for, and why would they put him in with a serial killer, like R.R? interesting. I feel bad for him that he got to see R.R's (ah hem) shrink a dink willy. I would go to a hypnotist to wash my memory clean of the experience!!!!:chicken:

LOL SV you just made me lose it so bad. My husband thought I had gone crazy cause I could not stop laughing so much..... thank you sara

[Karin]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

What.... are you just pulling stuff out your a** now?

[SaraSidle]

What.... are you just pulling stuff out your a** now?

Karin you did it again.......now DH is convinced I have lost it. thanks sweetie

[grneyes]

What.... are you just pulling stuff out your a** now?

*rotflmao*

[Super Volcano]

LOL SV you just made me lose it so bad. My husband thought I had gone crazy cause I could not stop laughing so much..... thank you sara

No problemo. I hope it will leave my imagination soon!!! Was Sean Penn really in prison, or what?:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

No problemo. I hope it will leave my imagination soon!!! Was Sean Penn really in prison, or what?:shrug:

I have no idea. I am sure his crime was not as severe but I am also sure he was put into solitary to stay safe..IMo sara

[Super Volcano]

I have no idea. I am sure his crime was not as severe but I am also sure he was put into solitary to stay safe..IMo sara

I always thought of Sean Penn as being a weirdo. He is an ok actor, but he is really fruity, too. He married Madonna. That should say everything about him right there!!! IMO

[grneyes]

He was arrested for assaulting a photographer.

[SaraSidle]

He was arrested for assaulting a photographer.

That is correct.....I just do not believe that the offense would put him with RR. IMO

[Fish Face Frank]

Ewww gross, thanks for that mental image of RR Frank.......The thought of him whacking off to anything is disgusting.

No problem. Glad I could help. :o

[Fish Face Frank]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

Sean Penn's?

[Drumbum]

According to Phil Carlo's book, R.R. and Sean Penn were both staying at the LA County hotel. R.R. was being tried and Penn was serving for hitting Madonna. They were neighbors.

[Karin]

According to Phil Carlo's book, R.R. and Sean Penn were both staying at the LA County hotel. R.R. was being tried and Penn was serving for hitting Madonna. They were neighbors.

Sorry I doubted you Drummy....you do know your stuff!

[Karin]

Welcome, Karin. This link may prove most informative concerning the DP watch.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ Happy reading. ;)

This is my second response from my first post on the CL back on June 29th. Had just gotten into the serial killer stuff. Sara was the first to welcome me here and Drummy was second....Thanks guys for staying such good CL buddies and for always keeping each other entertained....Feeling nostalgic today:(

[Karin]

Karin, if you "had a real problem writing him" and felt like you were "committing a terrible sin to contact such a person," why do it? Why even come to a message board about Richard? Also, just so you know, the fastest way to make sure you never get a second letter from Richard is to go on the Internet and tell "y'all" about the first one.


Last we heard of her, no?

[Amy]

No problemo. I hope it will leave my imagination soon!!! Was Sean Penn really in prison, or what?:shrug:

I don't know if it was actually PRISON, or just the county jail, but Sean Penn really was incarcerated some years ago--probably on some drug charges, can't remember for sure. What I do remember is that he was allowed to leave his cell (wherever it was) to go on set every day. I imagine, even if he wasn't in any of the scenes shot that day. 'Cuz the film was soooo important.

Anyway, I don't think he was ever really in San Quinten, let alone w/RR. DR prisoners don't have cell mates, don't have contact w/much of anyone except visiting day. OTOH, w/Sean Penn being such an important celebrity and all, he might have gotten the guards to let him visit RR, if he was incarcerated in San Quentin.

[SaraSidle]

This is my second response from my first post on the CL back on June 29th. Had just gotten into the serial killer stuff. Sara was the first to welcome me here and Drummy was second....Thanks guys for staying such good CL buddies and for always keeping each other entertained....Feeling nostalgic today:(

Thanks Karin. It has been great posting with you. I am glad you are here.
Sara:rose:

[grneyes]

That is correct.....I just do not believe that the offense would put him with RR. IMO

No, he got 30 days in jail but I'm not sure he had to stay the entire 30.

I see he was later charged with felony domestic assault during his marriage with Madonna. He pleaded to a misdemeanor but I haven't found out how much time he got for that one.. .

[SaraSidle]

No, he got 30 days in jail but I'm not sure he had to stay the entire 30.

I see he was later charged with felony domestic assault during his marriage with Madonna. He pleaded to a misdemeanor but I haven't found out how much time he got for that one.. .

good job grneyes.

[SaraSidle]

Last we heard of her, no?

yes Karin. that post was made in July 2008. Time before that was May 2207.

[Super Volcano]

Sean Penn's?

Haha, very funny Frank!!! I love your sense of humor!!! You, Drummie, and J.Bell really lighten things up here for us gals with your incredible sense of humor. We should start a new thread, called "comedy central," where you guys try to out do each other!!! It would be a big hit, too!!!:D

[Drumbum]

The Nightstalker by Phillip Carlo is where I got the tidbit about RR,feet, and Sean Penn.

[Super Volcano]

The Nightstalker by Phillip Carlo is where I got the tidbit about RR,feet, and Sean Penn.

Havta check it out.....Neanderthal question: is this a book, movie, or both? :shrug:

[Serial Killer X]

It's Just A Book And It's A Perfectly Normal Question To Ask :) Very Good Book Btw.

-SKX

[Super Volcano]

It's Just A Book And It's A Perfectly Normal Question To Ask :) Very Good Book Btw.

-SKX

Cool!!! I plan on checking it out next time I go to the Library.:D

[SaraSidle]

Cool!!! I plan on checking it out next time I go to the Library.:D

I would SV. I have the book and I have already read it 3 times. It is quite shocking in places. I think he was evil sometimes. sara

[SaraSidle]

It's Just A Book And It's A Perfectly Normal Question To Ask :) Very Good Book Btw.

-SKX

Interesting SKX. wonder why it has not been made into a movie? sara

[Drumbum]

Interesting SKX. wonder why it has not been made into a movie? sara

There's a couple movies about R.R. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097825/
Here's the one I like. Happy viewing darlin.

[Karin]

There's a couple movies about R.R. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097825/
Here's the one I like. Happy viewing darlin.

Thanks for the info. Drummy......I have never seen this movie.....think I may kick back and do that soon. Want to come over and watch with me? I'll make some munchies for us.

[Drumbum]

Thanks for the info. Drummy......I have never seen this movie.....think I may kick back and do that soon. Want to come over and watch with me? I'll make some munchies for us.

Sure huns, I like Richard Jordan. I'll bring popcorn.

[Karin]

Sure huns, I like Richard Jordan. I'll bring popcorn.

I can't wait! Yippie! See you soon my friend...

[Super Volcano]

I can't wait! Yippie! See you soon my friend...

Hey, can I come? I will bring the drinks!!!!!:D

[Super Volcano]

Sure huns, I like Richard Jordan. I'll bring popcorn.

Whoo-hoo. Drummie!!! Did you break all of our hearts, and go get married? :D (your avatar is awesome :))

[Drumbum]

Whoo-hoo. Drummie!!! Did you break all of our hearts, and go get married? :D (your avatar is awesome :))

Thanks huns. I like it too. You all picked it out for me, I just hadn't put it on yet. Now, where's my Walther and Aston Martin.. :cool:

[Super Volcano]

Thanks huns. I like it too. You all picked it out for me, I just hadn't put it on yet. Now, where's my Walther and Aston Martin.. :cool:

Who ever did the actual picking did a GREAT job!!! Neanderthal question: what is Walther and Aston Martin? Drinks, guns, ???? :shrug: ;)

[Amy]

Who ever did the actual picking did a GREAT job!!! Neanderthal question: what is Walther and Aston Martin? Drinks, guns, ???? :shrug: ;)

I think an Aston Martin might be a car? Wouldn't have a clue about the Walther. (Probably don't have a clue about the Aston Martin, either.:)

[Karin]

Who ever did the actual picking did a GREAT job!!! Neanderthal question: what is Walther and Aston Martin? Drinks, guns, ???? :shrug: ;)

Hi Sup, love the Neanderthal reference....ha! I would tell you what a Walther is, but I would rather wait until Drummy tells you. He will probably be able to give it a bit of a romantic angle, being that he loves those things so much!

Aston Martin is a British made sports car, and one that Bond, James Bond enjoys....

See ya at the party...

[Super Volcano]

Hi Sup, love the Neanderthal reference....ha! I would tell you what a Walther is, but I would rather wait until Drummy tells you. He will probably be able to give it a bit of a romantic angle, being that he loves those things so much!

Aston Martin is a British made sports car, and one that Bond, James Bond enjoys....

See ya at the party...

Ha!!! Drummie is going from his Elvis impersonation to a distinguished English accent? Austin Powers the 2nd? (j/k :)) Yea, I am looking forward to the party!!!!!!:beer:

[Nathalie]

Hi Sup, love the Neanderthal reference....ha! I would tell you what a Walther is, but I would rather wait until Drummy tells you. He will probably be able to give it a bit of a romantic angle, being that he loves those things so much!

Aston Martin is a British made sports car, and one that Bond, James Bond enjoys....

See ya at the party...

Hi Karin, nice of you to leave the glory for your Drummy. I won't give it away either, but I will say that my dad has a few Walthers and he thinks Carl is a hero. He collects them and is a very proud father. LOL!

[Drumbum]

New model Walther of course, maybe an original for sentimental value. :cool:
My suit is tailored nicely. My thanks.

[Karin]

New model Walther of course, maybe an original for sentimental value. :cool:
My suit is tailored nicely. My thanks.


Drummy, you didn't answer the question that the girls had about what a Walther is, come on now....?

[Drumbum]

Drummy, you didn't answer the question that the girls had about what a Walther is, come on now....?

I'll cite because it makes you tingle.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13102&content=11001

Bond, James Bond normally carries a Walther as his sidearm.

[Super Volcano]

I'll cite because it makes you tingle.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13102&content=11001

Bond, James Bond normally carries a Walther as his sidearm.

Very smooth, there , Drummie with your sophisticated James Bond Walther...Are they still used today, do you know? Or are they on the extinct list with other old guns?

[SaraSidle]

Very smooth, there , Drummie with your sophisticated James Bond Walther...Are they still used today, do you know? Or are they on the extinct list with other old guns?

How can I need anything more to be impressed?????????// New avatar new astin martin and new pistol. I am just drooling Drummie. all the women here just must be besides themselves...........

[Drumbum]

Very smooth, there , Drummie with your sophisticated James Bond Walther...Are they still used today, do you know? Or are they on the extinct list with other old guns?

Yes, Walther firearms are still manufactured and evolving. They are said to be durable and reliable, but pricey.

[Drumbum]

How can I need anything more to be impressed?????????// New avatar new astin martin and new pistol. I am just drooling Drummie. all the women here just must be besides themselves...........

Drummy would like to treat his girls to a boat ride on the Mediterranean. :cool:

[Super Volcano]

Drummy would like to treat his girls to a boat ride on the Mediterranean. :cool:

LOL and we would all like to take you up on your offer!!!!! :rose:

[SaraSidle]

LOL and we would all like to take you up on your offer!!!!! :rose:

Oh yeah trip in the mediterrean All women are ready.

[Drumbum]

Drummy's yacht Pipe Dream is being stocked and fueled. Ready to shove off when you ladies are. :D

[SaraSidle]

Drummy's yacht Pipe Dream is being stocked and fueled. Ready to shove off when you ladies are. :D

You go Drummie babe.............you are my pipe dream

[Karin]

You go Drummie babe.............you are my pipe dream

Sara, you are my new hero.....I love you!

[Drumbum]

Sara, you are my new hero.....I love you!

You ladies are my heros. I love you. :rose:

[Drumbum]

You go Drummie babe.............you are my pipe dream

May your dreams be vivid. ;)

[Fish Face Frank]

Drummy's yacht Pipe Dream is being stocked and fueled. Ready to shove off when you ladies are. :D

That is one cruise I would not be attending. :D

[Super Volcano]

That is one cruise I would not be attending. :D

ROFL!!!! Oh, come on, Frankie!!! One guy, out of like 15 women is ok, but to have you along would throw some more fun in the mix!!! We could get Joseph Bell to come along too!!!! But only if your fiance approves!!!

[Trucrimefan]

So he is still waiting in line for his date with the needle??

[grneyes]

So he is still waiting in line for his date with the needle??

Yes he is still waiting.

Welcome to CL trucrimefan. :seeya:

[Trucrimefan]

Yes he is still waiting.

Welcome to CL trucrimefan. :seeya:

Thank you. Nice to see a fellow Ontarian on here too.

[grneyes]

Thank you. Nice to see a fellow Ontarian on here too.

My hubby calls me an import because I'm actually American but I've been here almost 11 years. :-)

[Karin]

So he is still waiting in line for his date with the needle??

Yes and will probably be there for a long time. California isn't fond of killing it's criminals...

[wind149]

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

[Super Volcano]

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

I TOTALLY agree with everything you said here!!! What did you mean by R.R having "3 hots" while being in jail? 3 messed up concubines, or something? No one has earned the rights of riding the lightning stick (as Drummie puts it) more than puke R.R. California has been asleep on the job for quite some time now. :flamemad:

[grneyes]

3 hot meals a day.

Heck, I've rarely had that my entire life and RR gets it everyday.

[RogerV]

3 hot meals a day.


Another expression you sometimes hear is "Three Squares," meaning "three square meals a day."

[Super Volcano]

3 hot meals a day.

Heck, I've rarely had that my entire life and RR gets it everyday.

OOOOOOHHHH, I see!!!! Yea, no kidding, on us normal people not eating three meals a day!!! When I am at school, and all stressed out, I am lucky if I have at least dinner for the day!!! And I have been there, where all I have in the house is Ramen noodles!!!!:shrug:

[Serial Killer X]

OOOOOOHHHH, I see!!!! Yea, no kidding, on us normal people not eating three meals a day!!! When I am at school, and all stressed out, I am lucky if I have at least dinner for the day!!! And I have been there, where all I have in the house is Ramen noodles!!!!:shrug:

Lol good old Ramen noodles.

[Super Volcano]

Lol good old Ramen noodles.

Hey, Serial K!!! I missed you!!! I haven't been on much lately, because of homework, and school. I will be SO glad to finally get my degree!!! Right now it sucks trying to get through it, but I am hoping it will go by fast. Good to see you posting here!!!!:biggrin:

[Serial Killer X]

Hey, Serial K!!! I missed you!!! I haven't been on much lately, because of homework, and school. I will be SO glad to finally get my degree!!! Right now it sucks trying to get through it, but I am hoping it will go by fast. Good to see you posting here!!!!:biggrin:

Lol yeah i missed u Mr Volcano :) lol yeah i have to study for exams Yay

[Super Volcano]

Lol yeah i missed u Mr Volcano :) lol yeah i have to study for exams Yay

LOL, yea, isn't homework a delight? After school, I could live the rest of my life, happy and content to NEVER write another report again!!! :beer:

[Dave Reddoch]

I missed you guys. I have been putting in a lot of hours at work.

[Super Volcano]

I missed you guys. I have been putting in a lot of hours at work.

I know!!! I miss everyone that used to be regulars here as well. Hopefully after the Hollidays we will all get back on. :rose:

[Serial Killer X]

LOL, yea, isn't homework a delight? After school, I could live the rest of my life, happy and content to NEVER write another report again!!! :beer:

Lol yeah but i'm nearly done so i'll be free to post on here to my heart's content :)

[Super Volcano]

Lol yeah but i'm nearly done so i'll be free to post on here to my heart's content :)

Oh, SK, I look forward to that day!!!!!!!!

[Jenna]

Hello everyone!
Just had my account activated which took a few days!! In the mean time I´ve read almost this entire thread :beer:
How come Richard has his own thread with hundreds of comments and ppl interested in him and his case, when almost no other serial killer has one? Not even the infamous Ted Bundy!?! I´m just curious to know why he seems to get to ppl more than all of the others?
(I could ofcourse ask myself since I´m here also but I´m much more interested in your answers ;) )

And by the way, I have a few questions that probably no one knows the answer to but you never know for sure until you ask :tongue:
Just finished reading Philip Carlos book and in the end of the book he mentioned that they made a tv-movie called Manhunt about R. Does anyone know where you can watch that movie here on the internet? Also Current Affair wrote an article about him called Death Row Romeo. That would be interesting to read but I haven´t been able to find it. Does anyone know if it even exists on the net or has anybody read it?

...and I was waiting for Carlo to mention later in the book if Richard ever got an answer when he wrote to Ted Bundy but he never did. I wonder what in the world Richard wanted to ask Bundy about?!? That seemed kind of creepy...:confused: and also awoke my curiosity! Does he write to other serial killers aswell??

// Jenna
(being from Sweden maybe my english is not correct so now you know why that is!)

[Karin]

Hello everyone!
Just had my account activated which took a few days!! In the mean time I´ve read almost this entire thread :beer:
How come Richard has his own thread with hundreds of comments and ppl interested in him and his case, when almost no other serial killer has one? Not even the infamous Ted Bundy!?! I´m just curious to know why he seems to get to ppl more than all of the others?
(I could ofcourse ask myself since I´m here also but I´m much more interested in your answers ;) )

And by the way, I have a few questions that probably no one knows the answer to but you never know for sure until you ask :tongue:
Just finished reading Philip Carlos book and in the end of the book he mentioned that they made a tv-movie called Manhunt about R. Does anyone know where you can watch that movie here on the internet? Also Current Affair wrote an article about him called Death Row Romeo. That would be interesting to read but I haven´t been able to find it. Does anyone know if it even exists on the net or has anybody read it?

...and I was waiting for Carlo to mention later in the book if Richard ever got an answer when he wrote to Ted Bundy but he never did. I wonder what in the world Richard wanted to ask Bundy about?!? That seemed kind of creepy...:confused: and also awoke my curiosity! Does he write to other serial killers aswell??

// Jenna
(being from Sweden maybe my english is not correct so now you know why that is!)


Hi Jenna, welcome to the CL...I was thinking about why RR has his own thread and the interest he receives over other serial killers and thought about why he interests me. I basically stumbled onto him while investigating someone else and I was amazed at the arrogance he portraited during his arrest and court battle. I started looking into him more and found myself intrigued by his story. He was good looking and acted like such a bad boy in court. This is what makes him stand out more than others and has allowed him to keep quite a following of groupies.........Go figure?

They say that RR was always interested in serial killers so I am sure he wanted to chat with Ted before they fried him....

Don't think you can watch that movie unless you download.....don't get caught.

[Jenna]

Hi Jenna, welcome to the CL...I was thinking about why RR has his own thread and the interest he receives over other serial killers and thought about why he interests me. I basically stumbled onto him while investigating someone else and I was amazed at the arrogance he portraited during his arrest and court battle. I started looking into him more and found myself intrigued by his story. He was good looking and acted like such a bad boy in court. This is what makes him stand out more than others and has allowed him to keep quite a following of groupies.........Go figure?

They say that RR was always interested in serial killers so I am sure he wanted to chat with Ted before they fried him....

Don't think you can watch that movie unless you download.....don't get caught.


Thanks!:) It´s been an interesting read so far!
And thanks for your answer regarding the interest in Richard. When I ask myself that question the answer is so shallow I dare not even write it down ;)

Would I just have loved to be a fly on the wall when Richard and Ted wrote to each other (if they actually did)! :tongue: Reading their letters would have been highly amusing, imaging the discussion between the two of them!?! Richard probably looked up to Ted like he was some sort of idol...maybe he even asked for his autograph!:rolleyes:

I was hoping the movie had been available on you tube but unfortunately not. And I don´t know if I´m interested enough to actually buy it ;)

[Drumbum]

It's a good movie and I like Richard Jordan, the actor who portrayed Salerno. Richard, Salerno and Carillo actually watched the moivie together and they found it laughable. Guess nothing can compare to reality. Happy viewing. ;)

To my knowledge, Ted Bundy was an idol of Richard's, but I believe his biggest hero was Jack the Ripper. I don't recall anything about the two corresponding and even if that would have been allowed.

[Jenna]

It's a good movie and I like Richard Jordan, the actor who portrayed Salerno. Richard, Salerno and Carillo actually watched the moivie together and they found it laughable. Guess nothing can compare to reality. Happy viewing. ;)

To my knowledge, Ted Bundy was an idol of Richard's, but I believe his biggest hero was Jack the Ripper. I don't recall anything about the two corresponding and even if that would have been allowed.

You seem to have read Carlos book aswell ;) I remember that part too, when he wrote about them watching the video together. It´s quite an interesting trio to be sitting down watching a movie! But I also remember them saying that it was weird because they found him to be a rather likeable guy!:biggrin:

Carlo also wrote in his book about Richard wanting to write to Ted and that Doreen, doing everything for him ofcourse, got the address for him. But that´s all he mentioned. I don´t know if he ever did write or what he wanted to ask Ted about or if he got an answer. I was waiting for that to come up but it didn´t.
When you mention it I do remember Richard liking Jack the ripper...all that fog and the coat etc. Hm...

[Jenna]

:confused:Where is everybody?!? It´s so empty and quiet in here ;)
I was looking forwars to lots of discssions with people here but it´s empty and lonely :(
Come on start talking (writing...) again!!! ;)

[sharlock]

:confused:Where is everybody?!? It´s so empty and quiet in here ;)
I was looking forwars to lots of discssions with people here but it´s empty and lonely :(
Come on start talking (writing...) again!!! ;)
LOl! Sorry Jenna I really do like to discuss Richard but I haven't posted in a while because I prefer to get in depth and leave the chatter to the more sociable posters here!
I have always found the women who befriend then date or marry these serial killers particularly interesting. I just can't quite rap my head around it; the last time it was brought up though it degenerated pretty quick with people just wanting to personally insult Doreen because she reads here from time to time. I have kind of given up hope of having someone like Doreen to be able to explain it to me in terms I can relate too simply because I see too much denial in what she says but I guess the attraction of someone who can never control you or hurt you but is infinitely interesting because they are so diabolical must really appeal to some(too bad if they ever get out though:tongue:Protection witness program here I come lol!). I have always had trouble believing that Richard was remorseful and I even find Doreens comments towards people whose families suffered at Richards twisted hands shows a distinct lack of remorse. I think Richard made such an impact becasue before everyone knew what a loser druggie tryhard he was he absolutely terrified people. I still hear people making comments about what it was like to live around that area before he was caught and all the precautions that people would take.
I'd write more but I really have to get so shut eye my eyes are turning square. BTW I always read the posts on this thread but I live in Australia so I am really online when you guys are all sleeping so you have to give me time to respond.
Nice to have you join us!:beer:

[wind149]

RR is an evil scumbag who should have walked the green mile 20 years ago and yet, he is still sitting in San Q visiting with his blushing bride, and I think back to the trial where he often interrupted the testimonies with his outbursts about Satan and would draw pentagrams on his hand and flash it to the media, not one iota of remorse has he ever shown and yet his victim's families are still waiting for justice and I am outraged that CA is so slack on executing death row inmates? What is the point of having the DP if you are not going to execute them in a timely fashion? I already know I will be in my grave when they needle Scott Peterson, I figure at least he sits for 20 years and I think every taxpayer in CA ought to revolt and get Arnold to start up the process and start executing scumbags like RR. Richard Allen Davis, the rapist and murderer of Polly Klass is sitting in San Q too and has a girlfriend and he too is free to roam the grounds of the prison basking in the CA sunshine when all of these dirtbags should be 70 feet underground with no sunlight and locked down 24 hours a day, a hot a day, and a shower maybe once a week, no TV or radios, no phone, mail, and sure as hell can't marry anyone, no library books, just the four walls to stare at till they get the needle. I find it appalling that death row inmates can get married or even get to have pen pals and we have all gone round 2 over this, but it does not sound like RR is doing hard time, I am surprised he does not get trailer visits with his scum wife! He gets everything else!

[Jenna]

Stealing a little time from work now by sitting here ;)
Well, I live in Sweden so I guess I´m usually writing when everybody else are asleep aswell! ;)

As far as the death penalty is concerned. I´ve always been against it. I just don´t think it´s right and it gives me shivers down my spine when I think about it. I know many americans votes in favour for it. Here in Sweden we don´t even get to vote and I´m glad because I find it totally inhuman. Sure, alot of people might deserve it but their families don´t! As so many have said before me, it just creates more victims! :shrug:

...oh time to get back to work again ;)
Bye!

[Karin]

RR is an evil scumbag who should have walked the green mile 20 years ago and yet, he is still sitting in San Q visiting with his blushing bride, and I think back to the trial where he often interrupted the testimonies with his outbursts about Satan and would draw pentagrams on his hand and flash it to the media, not one iota of remorse has he ever shown and yet his victim's families are still waiting for justice and I am outraged that CA is so slack on executing death row inmates? What is the point of having the DP if you are not going to execute them in a timely fashion? I already know I will be in my grave when they needle Scott Peterson, I figure at least he sits for 20 years and I think every taxpayer in CA ought to revolt and get Arnold to start up the process and start executing scumbags like RR. Richard Allen Davis, the rapist and murderer of Polly Klass is sitting in San Q too and has a girlfriend and he too is free to roam the grounds of the prison basking in the CA sunshine when all of these dirtbags should be 70 feet underground with no sunlight and locked down 24 hours a day, a hot a day, and a shower maybe once a week, no TV or radios, no phone, mail, and sure as hell can't marry anyone, no library books, just the four walls to stare at till they get the needle. I find it appalling that death row inmates can get married or even get to have pen pals and we have all gone round 2 over this, but it does not sound like RR is doing hard time, I am surprised he does not get trailer visits with his scum wife! He gets everything else!


Hi Wind, so why don't you tell us how you really feel? LOL! I agree with you that CA needs to execute these scum bags in a more timely manner...Geez!

[Serial Killer X]

...and I was waiting for Carlo to mention later in the book if Richard ever got an answer when he wrote to Ted Bundy but he never did. I wonder what in the world Richard wanted to ask Bundy about?!? That seemed kind of creepy...:confused: and also awoke my curiosity! Does he write to other serial killers aswell??

// Jenna
(being from Sweden maybe my english is not correct so now you know why that is!)

Hey Jenna nice to see you :) I haven't read Carlo's book i'll have to get around to it and about Bundy And Richard writing to each other it could of been about Bundys Foot Fetish? Also i think Bundy was only serial killer that Richard wrote too, but the thing that disturbs me the most is that Richard Ramirez's wife Lioy has stated that she will commit suicide when Ramirez is executed. Lol your English is perfect Jenna ;)

[sharlock]

I'm with Jenna on this one, I take the view that we lower ourselves to the level of killers when we advocate for execution. There are times when a case affects me so much I want to change my stance but I just can't. I would like to see 'life sentence' start to mean just that though.

[Jenna]

Hey Jenna nice to see you :) I haven't read Carlo's book i'll have to get around to it and about Bundy And Richard writing to each other it could of been about Bundys Foot Fetish? Also i think Bundy was only serial killer that Richard wrote too, but the thing that disturbs me the most is that Richard Ramirez's wife Lioy has stated that she will commit suicide when Ramirez is executed. Lol your English is perfect Jenna ;)

Haha...so Bundy had a foot fetish aswell? *Lol* :tongue: Imagine two real "tough" guys (irony) writing to each other about...feet!?! Now, that´s humor to me ;)

About Doreen...When did she say that she was going to kill herself when Richard is executed? Did she say that recently or around the time when she first met him? Hopefully she has come to her senses by now. Maybe the delusion she´s been under is beginning to cease. Mr. good-looking high cheek bones Ramirez isn´t that mesmerizing any more! ;) And by all likelihood it was his handsome looks that made her fall for him in the first place, what else could it have been?:confused:
It´s also hard to believe that they will actually execute Richard. He will probably die from some disease/old age before that happens!

[Jenna]

I'm with Jenna on this one, I take the view that we lower ourselves to the level of killers when we advocate for execution. There are times when a case affects me so much I want to change my stance but I just can't. I would like to see 'life sentence' start to mean just that though.

Same here...there are cases that are so horrendous that I begin to doubt my own belief but then I remember that this person most likely has ppl in his/her life that love them. And their loved ones doesn´t deserve any more grief. It´s bad enough that they have to live with the fact that they have a family member/friend that´s a serial killer/rapist etc. I always try to compare the grief the family members of the killer might feel vs the relief the victims families might feel if the perpetrator is executed. I believe the grief is greater than the relief in most cases.

[sharlock]

tnx god he's still alive!!!
and his wife isnt the only one who's going to commit suicide if richard dies...
richard is the most beautiful man in this world...
ljubim ga na wso moè!!
moj mali srèek
**mwwa**
Sorry had to bump this fruitcakes post for your viewing pleasure. It was reported that Dorreen did say she would take her life if they executed Richard but she never responded to similar posts made when this one was though she did take issue with my posts lol. Oh well!

[sharlock]

Richard has never confessed. There are so many websites out there, each one trying to outdo the other for shock value, so please do not believe everything you read on the internet. Thank you for asking so respectfully.

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

[Super Volcano]

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

I always thought that she was sick in the head, with being turned on by his "bad boy" image, and also by the instant infamy she would gain by marrying him. R.R is one scary dude, even just looking at his ugly mug freaks me out.
He has NOTHING to offer his bride except for "you know what" and that is IT. If she had all of the cards in her deck, (she has about 1/2 in her deck) she would leave this freak, and find someone who is worth loving.

[Jenna]

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

Does she really expect us to believe that she really think he is innocent? Even in Philips book she said that if you love somebody you only see that persons good side and not the bad. To me, that meant that she knew he did it but looked the other way. And since he has made statements all over the place about him being guilty what is there to question?? It´s in writing and we can even hear his voice saying so on numerous videos here on the internet. Is she claiming they are fake? :shrug:
Well...we all know she knows! But she wants to pretend she believe he is innocent so that we won´t blame her for being with him just as much. Well, it´s not working :tongue:!

Ofcourse she married him for his good looks and publicity. She´s not fooling us...she´s probably not fooling him with that either. But she tries to fool herself. Poor woman!:(

[Jenna]

I always thought that she was sick in the head, with being turned on by his "bad boy" image, and also by the instant infamy she would gain by marrying him. R.R is one scary dude, even just looking at his ugly mug freaks me out.
He has NOTHING to offer his bride except for "you know what" and that is IT. If she had all of the cards in her deck, (she has about 1/2 in her deck) she would leave this freak, and find someone who is worth loving.

Which mug are you referring to? I´ve seen two...One is, as you say, really ugly. But the other on (the first) I actually think he looked pretty good. To be honest :no:

If you want to see one REALLY scary ugly picture of him, check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPaLxYz8fI
(at about 3:12)
I hadn´t seen that one before until this video and wow...! I wonder if that´s the side of him his victims got to see?:mad:

[sharlock]

Which mug are you referring to? I´ve seen two...One is, as you say, really ugly. But the other on (the first) I actually think he looked pretty good. To be honest :no:

If you want to see one REALLY scary ugly picture of him, check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPaLxYz8fI
(at about 3:12)
I hadn´t seen that one before until this video and wow...! I wonder if that´s the side of him his victims got to see?:mad:
I wish I knew what was being said, it looks really interesting.

[Jenna]

I wish I knew what was being said, it looks really interesting.

I know. I wish I had paid better attention in spanish classes at school ;) Now I only understand every 10th word or so :rolleyes:

[Super Volcano]

I know. I wish I had paid better attention in spanish classes at school ;) Now I only understand every 10th word or so :rolleyes:

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

[Jenna]

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.


yes Richard speaks spanish. Probably better than he does english :D! I know they spoke spanish within the family so...

[Serial Killer X]

Haha...so Bundy had a foot fetish aswell? *Lol* :tongue: Imagine two real "tough" guys (irony) writing to each other about...feet!?! Now, that´s humor to me ;)

About Doreen...When did she say that she was going to kill herself when Richard is executed? Did she say that recently or around the time when she first met him? Hopefully she has come to her senses by now. Maybe the delusion she´s been under is beginning to cease. Mr. good-looking high cheek bones Ramirez isn´t that mesmerizing any more! ;) And by all likelihood it was his handsome looks that made her fall for him in the first place, what else could it have been?:confused:
It´s also hard to believe that they will actually execute Richard. He will probably die from some disease/old age before that happens!

Lol he did when he was on the run he stole credit cards so he could be stockings or shoes cant remember what it was but i know he did it. She said she is going to kill herself as soon as he is executed and i think she said it around the time they married. Yeah he'll die from old age most likely.

[Jenna]

Lol he did when he was on the run he stole credit cards so he could be stockings or shoes cant remember what it was but i know he did it. She said she is going to kill herself as soon as he is executed and i think she said it around the time they married. Yeah he'll die from old age most likely.

well that´s humor ;) Some addictions you can easily understand why ppl get drawn into...but some are just incomprehensible. Shoes and feet being one of those :D

I wonder if Doreen still feels that way?
..and why am I so interested in Ramires´s life? That´s also a riddle!:biggrin: Go get a lfe Jenna! *L* :tongue:

[Serial Killer X]

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

Yeah i wonder he might do.

[Super Volcano]

Yeah i wonder he might do.

HAHAHA I never really paid much attention to your new avatar. I LOVE it!!!

[Jenna]

Yeah i wonder he might do.

As I´ve said a few posts up, Richard speaks spanish yes. They spoke spanish within the family. Richard has never lived in Mexico but his parents were born there and possibly even some of his siblings since he´s the youngest.
I think you can hear on his accent that it´s not a 100% american. Maybe now but not when he was caught.

[twistedviewlabs]

This scumbag in southern CA in the 80's raped and killed several people. I am a little fuzzy as to how many, 14? and earned himself the moniker of the "Night Stalker" He terrorized LA and surrounding communities for months, police at first were hard pressed as to who he was as none of his victims lived tell about it till one night he broke into a home intent on raping a woman but she started screaming and he left. She gave a description to the police and they released a composite sketch to the media and if memory does serve me, a friend of his did think he resembled the drawing and was going to go to the police and a bunch of people saw him walking down a street and he looked so much like the guy they chased him down, somebody called the cops and before they could get there the mob went crazy on him.
you are correct with the number of counts he was charged with (though he claims far more, of course). your account of how he was actually captured is a little off though. he was also referred to as "The Valley Intruder" (most of his crimes were committed in the san fernando valley) and "The Walk-In Killer".
if you check wikipedia or even this site, there's a detailed account of what happened. as for your opinion of what rights a convicted rapist, child molester or murder has in prison...they should have NONE WHATSOEVER. in fact, i think once they are convicted and sentenced to death, the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to slowly torture them...then when THEY saw fit...open fire on them. to me, anyone who's convicted of a crime of that nature dehumanizes themselves so the question of what's humane and inhumane shouldn't even come into play...

[SaraSidle]

you are correct with the number of counts he was charged with (though he claims far more, of course). your account of how he was actually captured is a little off though. he was also referred to as "The Valley Intruder" (most of his crimes were committed in the san fernando valley) and "The Walk-In Killer".
if you check wikipedia or even this site, there's a detailed account of what happened. as for your opinion of what rights a convicted rapist, child molester or murder has in prison...they should have NONE WHATSOEVER. in fact, i think once they are convicted and sentenced to death, the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to slowly torture them...then when THEY saw fit...open fire on them. to me, anyone who's convicted of a crime of that nature dehumanizes themselves so the question of what's humane and inhumane shouldn't even come into play...

Very interesting nic you have. Welcome to Crime Library. We all have our different opinions and are glad to hear yours.

[Drumbum]

I'll be glad when they finally kill him.

[SaraSidle]

I'll be glad when they finally kill him.

Oh yeah drummie it will be like tranquilizers only not. I have few cases I have been upset about but this one is so sick. So many good people to die. IMO

[Drumbum]

Oh yeah drummie it will be like tranquilizers only not. I have few cases I have been upset about but this one is so sick. So many good people to die. IMO

The men and women who caught him and the families have been waiting long enough. I see my letter to the Guvanator did no good.

[SaraSidle]

The men and women who caught him and the families have been waiting long enough. I see my letter to the Guvanator did no good.

Interesting isnt it

[Drumbum]

Interesting isnt it

Our lovely, tangled legal system. We should take a page from the Russians and give em a bullet.

[SaraSidle]

Our lovely, tangled legal system. We should take a page from the Russians and give em a bullet.

your sarcasm is true to you once again.

[REALGUIDO]

Hi You all...
Great to be here, but one thing is bothering me. VERY MUCH!!!
This Karin is really making me sad or mad.
I love my dear friends Richard and Doreen Ramirez, and when I saw That Karin would put Richards letter up puplic, it really burned in my eyes and gave me a hole in my stomic.
I wonder why ppl. can think that way???
Richard is sitting inthere, can not give his own opinion or replies of all of you ppl. say or write.
Yes Richard has feelings too, alot!!!:rose:
Doreen can sit in her home open up her computer and see ppl. being stubid and mean to both her and her husband...That is not nice...
Richard and Doreen loves eachother very much and that is the end of this argument you ppl. have on. Trust me it is real love, and the other girls you mention Richard is writing with...HA HA..lol!!! Think for your own, who is the one playing with who??? I can tell, but you all know.... I know you know!!!
Doreen has been through a lot ****, and she does NOT deserve to be talked about in that way, she is simply to sweet- polite and a warm- nice person to be a target of **** in some ppl. mouths!!!
I wonder if you ppl. have been in REAL love and would do anything for your wife and husband.... That is the greatest gift on earth- beside having children.
Richard has done things in his past, don´t we all- I have done alot of **** too...more worse than others...
And Richard and Doreen knows!!!! Dont tell them all the time...
A last I will tell you ppl. one thing -we are other ppl., who is near/close to this lovely couple, and we are lauging of your other ppl.`s IQ...
Have a great day...I will and I am sure Doreen and Richard will too!!!!


RR gave his "opinion" by raping, robbing, torturing, sodomizing and terrorizing Old People and Children. And Justice gave RR It's "Opinion."

RR does have feelings, BAD feelings. Do you think that the victims and thier families might have some feelings too?

RR has done things in the past......"We all have?" Speak for yourself.

You are laughing at other ppls IQ?

I will have a great day...When RR gets Justice for his actions.

Sorry about your eyes and your stomic. Maybe you should consult with a doctor.

[REALGUIDO]

Hi again:) Well it is ok, you all have your opinion, and I have mine.
When Doreen gets sad, because of someone misunderstood her or talks bad of her, I have to react as her friend. And I will allways do that for both her and Richard.
Well, Personality disorder is a sickness, which comes either of born with it ( I am- from my mother), And it has gets a lot worse because of bad childhood and so on... Dont feel soory for me, that is NOT why I am writing it....
Richard has been through a lot of the same, and we are just as hurt inside, and have become a very dark mind...YES...Very dark lusts and way of thinking...
Have a lot diffrent way to think, than "NORMAL" ppl.
I hope you get the picture now....Meds. is helping me...
Richard did not get help before he got in jail....
All this is why Richard and I are friends...
We see eachother in eachother and can talk without any one calls us sick or all kind of stubid things...
Doreen is one of the few"NORMAL" thinking ppl. who can see the good in us, and respect our dark mind...
So do my husband, and yes I am a very loving and carring mother and wife...
I just have my dark side and lust...I forfill through Richard, movies and books..
This is enough for me, hope you will try understand.. Dont step on ppl. you really dont know...
All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then.... Yes Richard thinks very different now, he has learn ppl. has feelings and can be nice on this planet... Just as I tought through my husband...
Be nice to Doreen, PLEACE!!!!:rose:


Let me get this straight...."All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then...."

It is more then "not good." What if were YOUR child or Husband or Sister was who had "got in his way?"

I am glad that RR is different now. 22+ years caged up like a rabid dog will do that to one's ways of "thinking."

I glad he has learned that ppls has "feelings" Now Justice needs to be served.

I am sorry for your "illness," and you might want to seek professional help. Especially if you and RR think alike, as you stated before.

[REALGUIDO]

Oh, it's all so romantic, isn't it? You are a character in a Victorian novel. :mad:

You should spend some time with the survivors of his victims. It's not pretty. I happen to know one of them, and his life is destroyed.

Richard is a weasel. Too bad the mob wasn't allowed to finish the job. Usually you can't find a cop when you need one. :cuss:


RR destroyed many lives.

I know what you mean...What are the odds of finding a cop when you need one. Let alone finding one in East L.A. when you need one. ;)

[REALGUIDO]

As for the People that have a Problem with Doreen Ramirez
Wife of Richard Ramirez. I think you need to lay off her and leave her
alone she's not Bothering any one. she had a Right to Choose and Marry
Richard if she wants to. I Frequent stay in touch with Doreen thru Email's to
her. I think she's a great lady. and friend and she is not a Groupie and some Jerks call her she Truly loves Richard. as for the Bimbo that wants to know what a 666Angel I got that name from my Group I was in if it's any of your
Business. as for my Self I wish Richard was free also he would be more than
welcome to come and Live with me. Yes I'm a Satanist aslo no I don't beleive in Violence but Richard will always be my Friend and have a place in my Heart
Bravewolf

Richard should not have been allowed to Marry. He gave up his rights when he started slaughtering people and taking away THIER rights.

I wish California would just give RR his "dose" and move on down the road.

"Yes I'm a Satanist aslo no I don't beleive in Violence but Richard will always be my Friend and have a place in my Heart" FYI RR believes in violence. Doesnt that pose a kind of conflict of interests?

Wish he was free all you want. Aint gonna change anything though.

Have a Nice Day.

[sharlock]

RR gave his "opinion" by raping, robbing, torturing, sodomizing and terrorizing Old People and Children. And Justice gave RR It's "Opinion."

RR does have feelings, BAD feelings. Do you think that the victims and thier families might have some feelings too?

RR has done things in the past......"We all have?" Speak for yourself.

You are laughing at other ppls IQ?

I will have a great day...When RR gets Justice for his actions.

Sorry about your eyes and your stomic. Maybe you should consult with a doctor.
:rolleyes: LOL, I love it when people who can't even master spell check talk about others IQ! Good to see you are still around RG! Hope things are okay for you and yours!

[REALGUIDO]

To Drumbum
I'm responding to your message about following Richard to the
Death chamber. Hell I don't care what People think of me I don't care
if they say I'm crazy Stupid or what ever name they wish to call me if the Law
would allow I would be more than willing to Richard Sexy Ramirez to the Death
chamber. I wish I could find a Loop hole in the Law that would actually
allow me to be straped down on a Gurney next to Richard when he's put to
death oneday, I don't fear death at all just like Sexy Richard I will see you in
Disney land I wish I could take my Rightful place beside my Favorite friend
Richard on that day I just wish it could be allowed by law I want to lay right be side my Friend on his final day here on Earth but hear my Warning Richard
will be Avenged so Mote it be. I summon Satan to go forth and Free Richard
from his Prison Cell
The666Angel
Bravewolf


WOW....That didnt work.....What next? More "moteing?" My God is stronger then Your God. Read The Bible...."My God Wins."

[REALGUIDO]

Some time back a rumor was reported that Ramirez was ill and likely to die of natural causes before he could be exectuted. Does anyone know if there was anything to this story, or was it just a story?


In 2005 RR was taken from SQ to an undisclosed hospital in SF for resperitory problems. The articles was at SFGATE.com (Not sure if that is the link, but that was where it was posted.) I think it was June 2005.

There have also been rumors from "Prison Guards" who claim he is in "ill health."

Or you can just believe his "wife" Doreen who says he is as fit as a fiddle.

Lets just say "prison life" hasnt been "agreeing" with him.

You can also find out the status on ALL of his Appeals here.....

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=327756

Please take note of the terms "HC Denied" and "Death Sentence affirmed." You can actually download a PDF of his entire appeals case so you dont have to take the word from me, or his "wife."

Hope that helps dispell the myths. :)

[REALGUIDO]

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=327756

Not much longer. ;)

[Amy]

Let me get this straight...."All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then...."

It is more then "not good." What if were YOUR child or Husband or Sister was who had "got in his way?"

I am glad that RR is different now. 22+ years caged up like a rabid dog will do that to one's ways of "thinking."

I glad he has learned that ppls has "feelings" Now Justice needs to be served.

I am sorry for your "illness," and you might want to seek professional help. Especially if you and RR think alike, as you stated before.

Good Grief!!!! They were "in the way" of Richard? THEY WERE IN THEIR OWN HOMES, MOSTLY "SAFELY" TUCKED IN FOR THE DADBLASTED NIGHT!!!! It's not like Richard was driving down the 101 or whatever highway and these people drove their cars or walked in front of him!!!! :flamemad:

[REALGUIDO]

Same here...there are cases that are so horrendous that I begin to doubt my own belief but then I remember that this person most likely has ppl in his/her life that love them. And their loved ones doesn´t deserve any more grief. It´s bad enough that they have to live with the fact that they have a family member/friend that´s a serial killer/rapist etc. I always try to compare the grief the family members of the killer might feel vs the relief the victims families might feel if the perpetrator is executed. I believe the grief is greater than the relief in most cases.

Maybe the perpatrator should have thought about the consequences before slaughtering and torturing old people and molesting children.

There is no comparison. At least RR's family will have a chance to say goodbye. It is unfortunate that RR put his family through this, it is much more unfortunate that he put all of the vitims and thier families through this. As I said....no comparison.

I yearn for "relief."

[REALGUIDO]

:rolleyes: LOL, I love it when people who can't even master spell check talk about others IQ! Good to see you are still around RG! Hope things are okay for you and yours!

Thanks...Good to still be around. hehe

All is good. You are???....From Nicks old website? Your old monicker?

Thanks again.

[Amy]

Maybe the perpatrator should have thought about the consequences before slaughtering and torturing old people and molesting children.

There is no comparison. At least RR's family will have a chance to say goodbye. It is unfortunate that RR put his family through this, it is much more unfortunate that he put all of the vitims and thier families through this. As I said....no comparison.

I yearn for "relief."

I feel sorry for the perp's family and friends--especially the ones who had never seen an evil side of the monster, and did NOT see this coming @ all. That being said, I do agree that the one who should have tho't about what would happen with HIS family and friends (let alone the victims and THEIR family and friends) was the PERP!!!! Of course, perps like this don't really care, have emotions, they act and say as they look around @ others to see how THEY act and talk.

The PERP should have tho't about the fact that he was breaking his mama's heart. HE should have said, oh, my mama would NOT like this @ all, she would cry, and be ashamed, and.....no, I don't think I will rob, steal, rape and murder tonight.

[Karin]

Thanks...Good to still be around. hehe

All is good. You are???....From Nicks old website? Your old monicker?

Thanks again.

Some of the posts you have responded to are old...Kinda fun to see them again. Those were the days when RR's fans came around to defend him and tell us how bad we were...hahahaha! It was entertaining to say the least.

Thanks for the reminder RG

[SaraSidle]

Karin I completely agree with all your posts. I also believe our reena is a troll looking for attention and trying to stir things up. nice job reena. imo

It would be best if we all continue to ignore Reena since she has no idea what she is talking about. let's all agree

[Drumbum]

RR isn't worth arguing over.

[SaraSidle]

RR isn't worth arguing over.

Exactly my point dear drummie. Let's drop it while we can. hugs sara