Richard Ramirez

[Amy]

Death Row is not a subject many people jump into with both feet. There are many misconceptions out there, misconceptions I held until I was enlightened. I'll kindly explain some things for those of us who don't know.

The inmates on The Row are segregated from the rest of the prison. This is solitary in that they have little contact with each other and are confined to their cells for hours each day. Solitary confinement is usually a punishment for various types of infractions and each prison is different on how this is administered.

Some sources:
Death Row: Confidential.- Bob Weinstein & Jim Bessent
Twenty-Thousand Years in Sing-Sing.- Lewis E. Lawes
Don Cabana,Former warden of Parchman prison.
Death Penalty Information Center.

Thanks. My conception pretty much was that each DR inmate is in the single cell. I didn't understand the comment about not being solitary confinement (which I DO understand would be "the hole") because they basically already are---forever and ever or until their execution date, whichever one comes first. ;)

[Karin]

I must have misunderstood one of the posts. Someone asked if he was in solitary confinement and I took that to mean in the hole. Of course DR inmates are confined to their own cells.

Who knew I'd have to clarify myself on something as obvious as this?

Does anyone need an in depth explaination of what exactly the hole is?
If you do, I highly suggest you keep that to yourself and quietly use something called Google.

Ice, I believe that you have misunderstood a bit more than just one post! No need to clarify yourself here......I think most have an indepth understanding of what death row means. Next time you misunderstand something someone says, take a closer look before you make rude remarks! It makes you look at bit ignorant.

[Karin]

Death Row is not a subject many people jump into with both feet. There are many misconceptions out there, misconceptions I held until I was enlightened. I'll kindly explain some things for those of us who don't know.

The inmates on The Row are segregated from the rest of the prison. This is solitary in that they have little contact with each other and are confined to their cells for hours each day. Solitary confinement is usually a punishment for various types of infractions and each prison is different on how this is administered.

Some sources:
Death Row: Confidential.- Bob Weinstein & Jim Bessent
Twenty-Thousand Years in Sing-Sing.- Lewis E. Lawes
Don Cabana,Former warden of Parchman prison.
Death Penalty Information Center.


Anyone who references sources is just alright with me!;)

[Super Volcano]

This scumbag in southern CA in the 80's raped and killed several people. I am a little fuzzy as to how many, 14? and earned himself the moniker of the "Night Stalker" He terrorized LA and surrounding communities for months, police at first were hard pressed as to who he was as none of his victims lived tell about it till one night he broke into a home intent on raping a woman but she started screaming and he left. She gave a description to the police and they released a composite sketch to the media and if memory does serve me, a friend of his did think he resembled the drawing and was going to go to the police and a bunch of people saw him walking down a street and he looked so much like the guy they chased him down, somebody called the cops and before they could get there the mob went crazy on him. He was taken into custody and the woman ID him and he was consequently charged with all the other crimes as they did have fingerprints, and semen but no DNA as it did not exist as a science back then. He is truly a son of Satan, in some of the bodies he had carved pentagrams and the numeral 666. He often interrupted the trial yelling about Satan and satanic hand gestures, showed no remorse whatsoever and was found guilty on all charges and given a death sentence of which by my calculations, he has been on death row at least 20 years. This POS has sat on the taxpayers for the last 20 years, it is disgusting and deplorable. And what really galls me is how he was able to get married and have visits from his blushing bride who is just as warped as he is. But for her marrying him, that elevates her status among other death row loser groupies!!! She thinks he is a gentle soul, yah! Have to be in a visiting room full of CO's! This is an example of why I strongly protest death row inmates or child molesters or rapists of women and children can have pen pals. These maggots put themselves there and why should anyone give a crap if they are sad and lonely? How about their victims and their families? Do you know a Canadian based anti-death row militant group actually have web-sites set up for losers like Scott Peterson? I wrote them a scathing e-mail and voiced my disgust and asked them if they had thought about how the victims and families would feel that they get to post their rhetoric on these sites and how many more potential victims could result from this? Remind me of why I don't go through Canada when I go back to NE to visit? They wrote back and told me it was INHUMANE for them to have no HUMAN CONTACT! I wrote back and said you are kidding right? What about the families? What do they have? Is Laci Peterson's mother able to contact her daughter and grandson??? No, they go to a rock in a grave yard. This makes me sick!!!! Right after John Couey was sent to death row for raping and murdering 9 year old Jessie Lunsford, I wrote a letter to the state prison in FL voicing my disgust that he should not have any creature comforts beyond the basics. He is a maggot, a scumbag and he should have NOTHING but walls to stare at. I was pleasantly surprised when I got a letter back telling me exactly what he has and doesn't. He gets only one hot meal a day, a shower every other day, mail, one phone call a month, one book a week, writing materials and that is it. You have to buy the TV's there and they are only 13' B&W's and he can't afford one, there is no cable or AC, he can have canteen, but with no money he gets nothing!! Now this is the kinda time they all should serve. He was beyond redemption before he got there, so rehab is out of the question, with this puke it is all about punishment. I keep hoping they bring Old Sparky out of retirement just for him and he rides it all the way to hell! I wonder if San Quentin has cable and AC! If so, Son of Satan has it made! Entertainment and a wife and death row appeals that take over 20 years! You guys in CA need to contact Governor Arnold and complain!! This POS, what he did, and he gets rewarded by being able to marry, it is disgusting!

Amen, Reverend!!!!! I TOTALLY agree with everything you said here. :beer:

[Super Volcano]

I've always thought he'll get what he wants. But when it finally does happen, he'll be quick to change his mind.

Yea. He is in for a rude awakening. :beer:

[Super Volcano]

I had the same experience with a friend who was in prison in Wisconsin. I couldn't send him books directly -- I had to order them sent direct from the seller.

Yes, I understand a lot of stuff can be hidden in a book, but stuff could also be hidden inside the typewriter ribbon cartridge I WAS allowed to send him, to say nothing of the corrugated cardboard mailer I used. I did have to include the receipt with it, and you can be sure I crossed out my credit card number with a HEAVY black marker!

I'd agree that the Kodak paper probably has to do with some kind of regulation. Something else occurrs to me... this man has been in prison during the widespread introduction of the PC, digital camera, and high-resolution printers. A lot of stuff has passed him by!

I shudder in disgust at the realization of your last comment. eeeeeewwwwww.:flamemad:

[Drumbum]

Amen, Reverend!!!!! I TOTALLY agree with everything you said here. :beer:

Ditto!

[Ice]

Nah, we'll just refer to our new resident expert. Let me give you some advice, Ice. Staring down your nose isn't the best way to make friends here. :seeya:


Well, I guess you told me. :beer:

[Dave Reddoch]

So how long have you been getting letters from him? Why does he want pictures of women? You'd think he would have enough to keep him satisfied. What about his foot fetish?

I did time myself behind a bar fight that went very wrong. I also did time in administrative segregation(the hole). So to be honest, I can understand why he would want some photos. Imagine a cage the size of a small bathroom.(that is how he lives year in and year out.)
Before anyone assumes I feel sorry for him, I'll explain. He very much needs to be where he is. However, I would like to share with him what God did for me. I believe that God can (and does forgive any and all who ask) And of course this is my opinion. No offense intended.:seeya:

[sharlock]

Amen, Reverend!!!!! I TOTALLY agree with everything you said here. :beer:
Sorry to seem picky Super Volcano but the quote that you are complimenting shows as being written by Wind149 not Reverend.

[Super Volcano]

I did time myself behind a bar fight that went very wrong. I also did time in administrative segregation(the hole). So to be honest, I can understand why he would want some photos. Imagine a cage the size of a small bathroom.(that is how he lives year in and year out.)
Before anyone assumes I feel sorry for him, I'll explain. He very much needs to be where he is. However, I would like to share with him what God did for me. I believe that God can (and does forgive any and all who ask) And of course this is my opinion. No offense intended.:seeya:

The scriptures (the Bible) says that there are two unforgiveable sins, and murder is one of them. As far as I know, R.R still rants and raves, that he chose Satan as his "Master," or God. I think he sticks to that, because his so-called-God doesn't require the things required by our one true God, for true repentance and forgiveness, which is guilt, sorrow, and a change of heart. He feels sorrow only for himself that he is in the hole. You deserve a pat on the back, and two thumbs up for doing things the "right way," and for finding your way with the Lord. Sorry you did time in the hole, but your experience helped give perspective on what the hole really is like. :D

[Super Volcano]

Sorry to seem picky Super Volcano but the quote that you are complimenting shows as being written by Wind149 not Reverend.

Yes, I know that. I was simply commenting that wind149 preached what he (or she) was saying, like a reverend would. SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:punch:

[sharlock]

Yes, I know that. I was simply commenting that wind149 preached what he (or she) was saying, like a reverend would. SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:punch:
:o lol sorry, I have been reading posts lately from a guy using a nic like reverend or preacher and thought it was him you were referring to. Sorry.

[Super Volcano]

:o lol sorry, I have been reading posts lately from a guy using a nic like reverend or preacher and thought it was him you were referring to. Sorry.

:D It's all fine and good. I actually had no idea someone was on here with the "reverend" name, so that was interesting to find out.:rose:

[BraveW]

To Drumbum
I'm responding to your message about following Richard to the
Death chamber. Hell I don't care what People think of me I don't care
if they say I'm crazy Stupid or what ever name they wish to call me if the Law
would allow I would be more than willing to Richard Sexy Ramirez to the Death
chamber. I wish I could find a Loop hole in the Law that would actually
allow me to be straped down on a Gurney next to Richard when he's put to
death oneday, I don't fear death at all just like Sexy Richard I will see you in
Disney land I wish I could take my Rightful place beside my Favorite friend
Richard on that day I just wish it could be allowed by law I want to lay right be side my Friend on his final day here on Earth but hear my Warning Richard
will be Avenged so Mote it be. I summon Satan to go forth and Free Richard
from his Prison Cell
The666Angel
Bravewolf

[SaraSidle]

fellow posters please try not to respond to the above post. He/she is trying to bait us into an argument on this thread. I do not want the thread shut down. just ignore him or please put him/her on ignore.

[Drumbum]

fellow posters please try not to respond to the above post. He/she is trying to bait us into an argument on this thread. I do not want the thread shut down. just ignore him or please put him/her on ignore.

I won't. but only coz you asked me not too.

[SaraSidle]

I won't. but only coz you asked me not too.

you are so eloquent and loyal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Super Volcano]

fellow posters please try not to respond to the above post. He/she is trying to bait us into an argument on this thread. I do not want the thread shut down. just ignore him or please put him/her on ignore.

Very wise, Sensay!!!! (Sarasidle) I just have one thing to say to that freak of nature: Richard Ramirez sexy????? He looks just like his best friend, Satan!!!! (going on ignore list as of NOW!!!!)

[susie31023]

fellow posters please try not to respond to the above post. He/she is trying to bait us into an argument on this thread. I do not want the thread shut down. just ignore him or please put him/her on ignore.

Sara I agree. You and I have went through this on another thread haven't we? RR should have been put down years ago. It is a shame that the state of California has let him take up any space in this world at all. He's guilty so let's just put an end to him. I personally would have no problem pulling the switch/inserting the needle/whatever it took to rid our world of such an evil person. Sorry for the rant, JMO

[Super Volcano]

Sara I agree. You and I have went through this on another thread haven't we? RR should have been put down years ago. It is a shame that the state of California has let him take up any space in this world at all. He's guilty so let's just put an end to him. I personally would have no problem pulling the switch/inserting the needle/whatever it took to rid our world of such an evil person. Sorry for the rant, JMO
I think most of us would totally agree with you.:beer:

[Karin]

fellow posters please try not to respond to the above post. He/she is trying to bait us into an argument on this thread. I do not want the thread shut down. just ignore him or please put him/her on ignore.

Oh my Sara, ONLY FOR YOU. Discipline is hard!

[grneyes]

fellow posters please try not to respond to the above post. He/she is trying to bait us into an argument on this thread. I do not want the thread shut down. just ignore him or please put him/her on ignore.

Ah darn, there goes my fun for the night....*sigh*

;)

[susie31023]

I think most of us would totally agree with you.:beer:

Thanks SV:biggrin:. I just had to get it off my chest:flamemad:~Susie

[Karin]

Got another letter from RR. This time it was much longer and more details! This is good for my program of study for grad. school! I told him I was a teacher and he drew a picture for me to show my students. HA! It is a hand drawn pictures of Winnie the Pooh. My students would not appreciate that. I had a girlfriend take a few pictures of my feet with different color nail polish. I plan to send them next letter. My friend thinks I should send this avatar photo, but I said heck no! You can't really see my face up close, so maybe it wouldn't hurt. It's my birthday and I am celebrating this 3 day weekend!
See some of you on the other side of midnight!

[Drumbum]

Got another letter from RR. This time it was much longer and more details! This is good for my program of study for grad. school! I told him I was a teacher and he drew a picture for me to show my students. HA! It is a hand drawn pictures of Winnie the Pooh. My students would not appreciate that. I had a girlfriend take a few pictures of my feet with different color nail polish. I plan to send them next letter. My friend thinks I should send this avatar photo, but I said heck no! You can't really see my face up close, so maybe it wouldn't hurt. It's my birthday and I am celebrating this 3 day weekend!
See some of you on the other side of midnight!

Happy Birthday. H&Ks :rose::beer: I don't want to share you with RR. No,no,no!

[grneyes]

Happy Birthday. H&Ks :rose::beer: I don't want to share you with RR. No,no,no!

Well DB if she is sharing herself with RR that leaves more of you for me. ;)

[SaraSidle]

Got another letter from RR. This time it was much longer and more details! This is good for my program of study for grad. school! I told him I was a teacher and he drew a picture for me to show my students. HA! It is a hand drawn pictures of Winnie the Pooh. My students would not appreciate that. I had a girlfriend take a few pictures of my feet with different color nail polish. I plan to send them next letter. My friend thinks I should send this avatar photo, but I said heck no! You can't really see my face up close, so maybe it wouldn't hurt. It's my birthday and I am celebrating this 3 day weekend!
See some of you on the other side of midnight!

Great. Happy Birthday Karin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Karin]

Happy Birthday. H&Ks :rose::beer: I don't want to share you with RR. No,no,no!

You are so kind to not want to share me. You must remember that you and I have something special...I only study RR for research. You on the other hand are my hero.

[Karin]

Well DB if she is sharing herself with RR that leaves more of you for me. ;)

OK my sweet kitty kat, I believe we have an open relationship with our Drummy and there could be enough for all of us!:o

[Drumbum]

I'm so flattered that I'm speechless. :o

NEWSFLASH!

AP- Drumbum doesn't have anything to say.

[grneyes]

OK my sweet kitty kat, I believe we have an open relationship with our Drummy and there could be enough for all of us!:o

Yes you are right Karin, but can you blame me for wanting him all to myself?

[Karin]

Yes you are right Karin, but can you blame me for wanting him all to myself?

I do not blame you for that. Drummy has a way of attracting vamps like us. I admire your aggressiveness. Our mothers would be so proud!:patriot:

[Karin]

I'm so flattered that I'm speechless. :o

NEWSFLASH!

AP- Drumbum doesn't have anything to say.

Hope you are up for it?

[Dave Reddoch]

Got another letter from RR. This time it was much longer and more details! This is good for my program of study for grad. school! I told him I was a teacher and he drew a picture for me to show my students. HA! It is a hand drawn pictures of Winnie the Pooh. My students would not appreciate that. I had a girlfriend take a few pictures of my feet with different color nail polish. I plan to send them next letter. My friend thinks I should send this avatar photo, but I said heck no! You can't really see my face up close, so maybe it wouldn't hurt. It's my birthday and I am celebrating this 3 day weekend!
See some of you on the other side of midnight!

I was wondering, do you really think that it would matter if he had a photo of you up close? Barring some kind of miracle, he won't ever get out.
About signing your post with the banana in the tail-pipe thing, the image this produces in one's mind is a little disturbing! LOL!:seeya:

[Dave Reddoch]

Or, 5 pictures of 5 different feet.

Or, mix and match. A pic with one of your feet, with one of someone else's. Make it interesting, some with 2 right or left feet!!! A little variety, you know. Send pics with just one foot on each, and he could have a game of match-up!!!!

Why not go to an inter-net site and get some footprints of bigfoot! LOL!

[Karin]

I was wondering, do you really think that it would matter if he had a photo of you up close? Barring some kind of miracle, he won't ever get out.
About signing your post with the banana in the tail-pipe thing, the image this produces in one's mind is a little disturbing! LOL!:seeya:

Hi Dave, I'm not worried about him getting out and coming to get me, I am worried about someone getting my photo and putting it on the news or something......Then I could get fired from my job.

The siggy is a metaphor that I stole from the movie, "Beverly Hills Cop" with Eddie Murphy. He uses that line cuz he doesn't want the 2 cops following him to pull one over on him. He ofcourse is way too smart for that and that is the same way I feel........ It means nothing more, but I can see how it could be viewed the way you have viewed it. Not me at all!:rolleyes:

[Karin]

To those of you who are bragging about getting a letter from Richard I hate to disappoint you, but that's his standard letter which he sends to everyone.
He always asks questions, so if you think your going to be his buddy buddy and gain his trust lol, think again? none of you are special, especially you Miss Karina, I can see right through you, he fascinates you in more ways then you'd like to admit, your already thinking of sending him pics of your feet lol, your posts say it all, I bet you sit in your room at night watching videos of Richard on youtube, and your thinking about him, in fact you have the hots for him bad, don't you karina hahaha

Looks like I have a new fan....Welcome to the CL.

[SaraSidle]

Looks like I have a new fan....Welcome to the CL.

Looks more like another baiter. I have put her on ignore. she does not know what she is talking about so she is obviously just trying to start something. here we go again.

[grneyes]

Looks more like another baiter. I have put her on ignore. she does not know what she is talking about so she is obviously just trying to start something. here we go again.

Sounds like she is jealous of you Karin. ;)

[Drumbum]

To those of you who are bragging about getting a letter from Richard I hate to disappoint you, but that's his standard letter which he sends to everyone.
He always asks questions, so if you think your going to be his buddy buddy and gain his trust lol, think again? none of you are special, especially you Miss Karina, I can see right through you, he fascinates you in more ways then you'd like to admit, your already thinking of sending him pics of your feet lol, your posts say it all, I bet you sit in your room at night watching videos of Richard on youtube, and your thinking about him, in fact you have the hots for him bad, don't you karina hahaha

You seem to know much about Richard and his letter writting methods. She's not trying to steal your man,though, you certainly have lots of competition,especially Doreen. Good luck.

[Johnna Depp]

Hi! I'm new. I have been trying to post for days, but for some reason my registration took forever to go through.....Very annoying. I have been a long time reader, though.

I actually looked up if "murder" is an unforgiveable sin. The bible says that the only 2 sins that are unforgiveable are:

1. never getting saved or accepting the lord
2. When given the choice to refuse the mark of the beast (666), and you take it anyway.

Unless RR has completely changed, and been saved it appears he will probably end up in hell. I agree with a lot of you. He is the scariest of all.....












The scriptures (the Bible) says that there are two unforgiveable sins, and murder is one of them. As far as I know, R.R still rants and raves, that he chose Satan as his "Master," or God. I think he sticks to that, because his so-called-God doesn't require the things required by our one true God, for true repentance and forgiveness, which is guilt, sorrow, and a change of heart. He feels sorrow only for himself that he is in the hole. You deserve a pat on the back, and two thumbs up for doing things the "right way," and for finding your way with the Lord. Sorry you did time in the hole, but your experience helped give perspective on what the hole really is like. :D

[Super Volcano]

Thanks SV:biggrin:. I just had to get it off my chest:flamemad:~Susie

No problem-o. That is what friends are for, right?:D

[Super Volcano]

Looks like I have a new fan....Welcome to the CL.

Don't worry, Karin; you know who your true friends are on here, and we will back ya up.:beer:

[just so]

Bah-adaini is obviously another nut job on the Ramirez band wagon lol:confused:

[susie31023]

No problem-o. That is what friends are for, right?:D

Yes they are SV, and thank you for being mine:rose:

[icydanger]

Well hi all
i doubt RR's wife has access into RR's pants, too bad for lost screws in the wind

[Super Volcano]

Hi! I'm new. I have been trying to post for days, but for some reason my registration took forever to go through.....Very annoying. I have been a long time reader, though.

I actually looked up if "murder" is an unforgiveable sin. The bible says that the only 2 sins that are unforgiveable are:

1. never getting saved or accepting the lord
2. When given the choice to refuse the mark of the beast (666), and you take it anyway.

Unless RR has completely changed, and been saved it appears he will probably end up in hell. I agree with a lot of you. He is the scariest of all.....

I don't know what version of the Bible you read, but according to the King James version, the unforgiveable sins, are adultery, and murder. I don't want to get into a big discussion about religion. I just wanted to defend what I originally stated. Welcome to the message board by the way. :rose:

[Super Volcano]

Yes they are SV, and thank you for being mine:rose:

Oh, no, thanks for being mine!!!!!!!:beer:

[Super Volcano]

Bah-adaini is obviously another nut job on the Ramirez band wagon lol:confused:

I think most of us NORMAL people on here would all agree:cuss:

[Johnna Depp]

This is what I found in the "King James version." I can't find anything about adultery, and murder. I am curious where you read that in the bible. Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. :) Have a great day.


Mark 3:29 which says:

"... whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin." (Revised Standard Version), or

"... he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation" (King James Version)















I don't know what version of the Bible you read, but according to the King James version, the unforgiveable sins, are adultery, and murder. I don't want to get into a big discussion about religion. I just wanted to defend what I originally stated. Welcome to the message board by the way. :rose:

[Johnna Depp]

I also found this.....It's all so confusing. Isn't it?


Matthew 12
31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.





I don't know what version of the Bible you read, but according to the King James version, the unforgiveable sins, are adultery, and murder. I don't want to get into a big discussion about religion. I just wanted to defend what I originally stated. Welcome to the message board by the way. :rose:

[SaraSidle]

I think we went way off topic here. this is about RR. not the bible and not for baiters. please do not respond to them. they really are not worth the trouble as you will learn. IMO Sara

If you need to talk about religion or the bible I believe there are other threads here for that.

[Johnna Depp]

Sorry that I got off the subject. I just wondered if RR could be forgiven, and it just went from there. Pure curiosity.... I am not a "baiter." I have a sincere interest in serial killers (RR, in particular). The last thing I would be doing is coming here to start trouble with people.

As far as RR goes, I'll keep to the subject.


I think we went way off topic here. this is about RR. not the bible and not for baiters. please do not respond to them. they really are not worth the trouble as you will learn. IMO Sara

If you need to talk about religion or the bible I believe there are other threads here for that.

[SaraSidle]

Sorry that I got off the subject. I just wondered if RR could be forgiven, and it just went from there. Pure curiosity.... I am not a "baiter." I have a sincere interest in serial killers (RR, in particular). The last thing I would be doing is coming here to start trouble with people.

As far as RR goes, I'll keep to the subject.

I sent you a pm Johnna Depp.

[Karin]

Sorry that I got off the subject. I just wondered if RR could be forgiven, and it just went from there. Pure curiosity.... I am not a "baiter." I have a sincere interest in serial killers (RR, in particular). The last thing I would be doing is coming here to start trouble with people.

As far as RR goes, I'll keep to the subject.

HI Johnna, welcome to CL where we have lots of fun! I believe Sara was not calling you the "baiter", but you may be the one with the religon! What ruins this thread so often seems to be ones that come here to personally attack some of us for our opinions. We like to throw around our opinions in a respectful way and it becomes cumbersome to try to deal with the RR fans who only seem to want to create arguments that can go nowhere!
I think it's cool that you came here and I hope to hear more of your opinions.
Maybe you could start your own thread about different religious beliefs...I'd certainly come visit!

Karin

[Karin]

I sent you a pm Johnna Depp.

Sara, you have a good heart!

[SaraSidle]

Sara, you have a good heart!

Karin it was a repeat of your post believe it or not with an apology. Great minds think alike:beer:

[SaraSidle]

I sent you a PM Karin

[Drumbum]

Ignore is fine by me shows me your weak....ho hum boring!

Bah, knock it off. You're jusy another R.R. groupie coming in here to take shots at us. Time for bed little one.

[grneyes]

Bah, knock it off. You're jusy another R.R. groupie coming in here to take shots at us. Time for bed little one.

Drummy don't waste your time on bratty little girls that think they know everything. Don't feed the trolls and eventually it's no fun for them anymore. ;)

[Johnna Depp]

Thanks for clearing things up for me :)

[Super Volcano]

This is what I found in the "King James version." I can't find anything about adultery, and murder. I am curious where you read that in the bible. Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. :) Have a great day.


Mark 3:29 which says:

"... whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin." (Revised Standard Version), or

"... he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation" (King James Version)

Yes, yes, yes, I know all of that. I never said there were only two unforgiveable sins. The two I mentioned are the ones that people disobey the most. That is why I focused my attention to only those two. I served a mission for my church, and have taught these very principles. Thanks though, for pointing that out. :o

[Super Volcano]

I think we went way off topic here. this is about RR. not the bible and not for baiters. please do not respond to them. they really are not worth the trouble as you will learn. IMO Sara

If you need to talk about religion or the bible I believe there are other threads here for that.

Sara, you are sooooo very wise (the 2nd time I have said this) I wish I read this BEFORE I sent that last message. AAARRRGGGGHHH!!!! Oh well. :shrug:

[Super Volcano]

drummy don't waste your time on bratty little girls that think they know everything. Don't feed the trolls and eventually it's no fun for them anymore. ;)

lol!!!!!!!!

[Serial Killer X]

Drummy don't waste your time on bratty little girls that think they know everything. Don't feed the trolls and eventually it's no fun for them anymore. ;)

Lol Excactly

[Super Volcano]

Lol Excactly

I am totally disgusted at R.R after watching on Youtube his pure arrogance in the court room. He thought himself as a celebrity, wearing sunglasses, and turning to his deranged "fans" flashing the peace sign. He would even turn towards the victim's families and taunt them!!!! What an ass!!! The thing that TOTALLY apalls me, is why is this puke still alive? What in the crap is keeping the justice system from granting his date with "ole sparky?" The victims of this monster should finally have their day of ridding the world of this implorable monster happen. IMO :cuss:

[Drumbum]

I am totally disgusted at R.R after watching on Youtube his pure arrogance in the court room. He thought himself as a celebrity, wearing sunglasses, and turning to his deranged "fans" flashing the peace sign. He would even turn towards the victim's families and taunt them!!!! What an ass!!! The thing that TOTALLY apalls me, is why is this puke still alive? What in the crap is keeping the justice system from granting his date with "ole sparky?" The victims of this monster should finally have their day of ridding the world of this implorable monster happen. IMO :cuss:

I agree, SV. Gotta love American justice.

[Super Volcano]

I agree, SV. Gotta love American justice.

It seems like it took no time at all to execute Ted Bundy. Why is it taking so dang long for Ramirez? Does California (I think that is where he is) have some law protecting him? He is NOT worth the tax dollars that are spent on keeping him alive. IMO.:flamemad:

[Drumbum]

It seems like it took no time at all to execute Ted Bundy. Why is it taking so dang long for Ramirez? Does California (I think that is where he is) have some law protecting him? He is NOT worth the tax dollars that are spent on keeping him alive. IMO.:flamemad:

Florida was bent on killing Bundy, but even then, it was over a decade before that happened. Ramirez seems to have been overlooked in the bigger picture and the state is executing other people. I've always wanted to know how many serial killers reside on CA's death row alone.

[Super Volcano]

Florida was bent on killing Bundy, but even then, it was over a decade before that happened. Ramirez seems to have been overlooked in the bigger picture and the state is executing other people. I've always wanted to know how many serial killers reside on CA's death row alone.

Yea, that would be interesting to know....and also to find out why R.R was put out on the back burner......

[sharlock]

lol! Be strong sweetie, I love your avatar.

[Super Volcano]

lol! Be strong sweetie, I love your avatar.

My avatar? Aw, gee, thanks!!!! Yours is not bad, either.:D

[Super Volcano]

For all the gas bagging you people do you obviously know nothing, for starters Texas has the highest rate of executions, so if you want to find out why,go and do some :read:. It costs much more to execute a person then it does to care for them for the rest of their lives, it cost millions of dollars, now why don't you all do some real reading and investigating instead of gossiping.:no:

Hey, little one, don't come in here and try to preach to the adults in here. A single bullet to the heart costs WAY less than to keep a fool like R.R alive. Run along now, and find your R.R groupie friends. They are waiting for you on a different site. :no:

[grneyes]

Hey, little one, don't come in here and try to preach to the adults in here. A single bullet to the heart costs WAY less than to keep a fool like R.R alive. Run along now, and find your R.R groupie friends. They are waiting for you on a different site. :no:

I'll even buy the bullet for them to do it with. :cool:

[Super Volcano]

I'll even buy the bullet for them to do it with. :cool:

I'll split the cost with you :beer:

[Drumbum]

I'll split the cost with you :beer:

Gimme the gun. I'm a decent shot and if I miss...oh well.:)

[Super Volcano]

Gimme the gun. I'm a decent shot and if I miss...oh well.:)

grneyes and I will buy all the bullets you need until you hit your mark

[Serial Killer X]

Don't Forget Me :) I'll Pay For Bullet's How Would It Cost More To Execute Someone Than Keep The In Jail For The Rest Of There Life?

[grneyes]

grneyes and I will buy all the bullets you need until you hit your mark

Well, I'm a pretty good shot so we won't need more than one or two. Actually, make it 3. One in each knee cap to start with and then the final shot. ;-)

Nah, just make it one. Using 3 brings me down to his level. :beer:

[Super Volcano]

well, i'm a pretty good shot so we won't need more than one or two. Actually, make it 3. One in each knee cap to start with and then the final shot. ;-)

nah, just make it one. Using 3 brings me down to his level. :beer:

lol!!!!!!!

[Super Volcano]

Don't Forget Me :) I'll Pay For Bullet's How Would It Cost More To Execute Someone Than Keep The In Jail For The Rest Of There Life?

I know, huh.

[Karin]

Happy Birthday. H&Ks :rose::beer: I don't want to share you with RR. No,no,no!

flirt! ;)

[Johnna Depp]

It wouldn't cost me a dime to do to him what he did to Whitney Bennett.

The only difference is, I wouldn't stop hitting, until he was dead.....God, he is a horrible human being!



Well, I'm a pretty good shot so we won't need more than one or two. Actually, make it 3. One in each knee cap to start with and then the final shot. ;-)

Nah, just make it one. Using 3 brings me down to his level. :beer:

[Drumbum]

flirt! ;)

:cool: Me like flirts. More,more! :D

[Drumbum]

Nice default pic is that your boyfriend ? :tongue: you both make a lovely couple.;)

Don't start something you can't finish.

You're not making any friends here, especially with your latest posts.
If this is all you're gonna do then don't waste your time. No one here likes trolls and we won't tolerate it. You can suddenly learn to be respectful or you can take your disgusting hair and childish posts and get out.

[Super Volcano]

Don't start something you can't finish.

You're not making any friends here, especially with your latest posts.
If this is all you're gonna do then don't waste your time. No one here likes trolls and we won't tolerate it. You can suddenly learn to be respectful or you can take your disgusting hair and childish posts and get out.

AMEN!!!!! I'll second that!!!!!!

[Super Volcano]

Richard Ramirez is definitely the ugliest serial killer who ever lived--a publisher of a Hispanic Newspaper in California stated that he should be executed just on the fact that he was too ugly to live---Ramirez right now is suffering from emphysema and lung cancer and doesn't have long to live as per SQV who is a poster on another board who visits her brother on Death Row frequently--Ramirez is struggling to breathe as we speak and thank God for that--I believe he also had most of his teeth torn out many years go in prison because,with his abnormal fear of dentists, he had just let his teeth rot away--During his infamous murders,Ramirez was in constant pain from his rotten smelly teeth--hopefully this rabid dog killer will soon drop dead and that now appears to be happening

I know this is an old post, but I thought it would bring amusement to those of us tossing around the idea of taking this fool out.

[Karin]

:cool: Me like flirts. More,more! :D

More huh? Girls where are you?

[Karin]

Don't start something you can't finish.

You're not making any friends here, especially with your latest posts.
If this is all you're gonna do then don't waste your time. No one here likes trolls and we won't tolerate it. You can suddenly learn to be respectful or you can take your disgusting hair and childish posts and get out.

drummy, you are not being nice. You should give her another chance. She just doesn't know how cool you really are...
Do wish she would just be able to give her opinions without being so mean to all of us.

[Super Volcano]

drummy, you are not being nice. You should give her another chance. She just doesn't know how cool you really are...
Do wish she would just be able to give her opinions without being so mean to all of us.

Nah, in Drummy's defense, she got what she deserved.:cuss:

[grneyes]

More huh? Girls where are you?

I'm here! Oh Drummy....where are you? *smooches*

[Drumbum]

I'm here! Oh Drummy....where are you? *smooches*

Ahhh, suga, me like suga :)

[Fish Face Frank]

Anyone who idolizes or worships someone who is a serial killer or mass murderer apparently has never had a loved one fall victim to the hand's of murder.


It is appalling that there are actually people out there that look up to these pondscum of humans. But I guess that is one of the problems with the ability of free thought I suppose.. :shrug:

The thing I do not understand is why do these people think they are any different than the victims of the serial killer? Do they think they would not share the same fate if they were in similar circumstances with the killer in question?

[Super Volcano]

Anyone who idolizes or worships someone who is a serial killer or mass murderer apparently has never had a loved one fall victim to the hand's of murder.


It is appalling that there are actually people out there that look up to these pondscum of humans. But I guess that is one of the problems with the ability of free thought I suppose.. :shrug:

The thing I do not understand is why do these people think they are any different than the victims of the serial killer? Do they think they would not share the same fate if they were in similar circumstances with the killer in question?

You bring up the very questions I think most of us normal people think, but don't mention. Hopefully the ones who need help will see this, and really think about it. Or they will be ignorant, and post some idiotic reply to it. Thanks for bringing it up. ;)

[Super Volcano]

Ahhh, suga, me like suga :)

You have become the popular "quarterback" of this message board "school, and all of us girls want more of Drummie!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I had to join in the fun somehow) :biggrin:

[grneyes]

You have become the popular "quarterback" of this message board "school, and all of us girls want more of Drummie!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I had to join in the fun somehow) :biggrin:


We want Drummy! We want Drummy!
http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/1.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/cheering/3.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/cheering/4.gif

[Jules100]

Didn't his wife say if he is executed she will kill herself? Will the state of CA have a suicide watch on her the day he is executed?

I remember her saying that she would kill herself if Richard was executed

[Super Volcano]

I remember her saying that she would kill herself if Richard was executed

I wonder if she will stick to that still.....What a TOTAL waste, to dedicate your life, and the ending of your life, to a complete and utterly non-deserving evil fool.

[Drumbum]

I wonder if she will stick to that still.....What a TOTAL waste, to dedicate your life, and the ending of your life, to a complete and utterly non-deserving evil fool.

QB huh? Who's going to snap me the ball than? :biggrin:

[Super Volcano]

QB huh? Who's going to snap me the ball than? :biggrin:

Maybe Joseph Bell? (if he wants the job):D

[Drumbum]

Maybe Joseph Bell? (if he wants the job):D

No,no, I couldn't have a guy do it..;)

[Super Volcano]

No,no, I couldn't have a guy do it..;)

Oh, sorry!!!! I didn't understand what you meant.......Grneyes, Karin and I could take turns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

[Drumbum]

Oh, sorry!!!! I didn't understand what you meant.......Grneyes, Karin and I could take turns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Now that's what I call team spirit. :D

[Super Volcano]

now that's what i call team spirit. :d

rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grneyes]

Now that's what I call team spirit. :D


*LMAO* http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/icons/lol.gif

[Super Volcano]

*LMAO* http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/icons/lol.gif

Hey, grneyes, I saw this adorable cartoon on youtube, and just had to share it. Hope you like it (as well as everyone else) let me know what you think of it!!!!! funny funny funny some of you might have seen it before, but oh well. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g

[grneyes]

Hey, grneyes, I saw this adorable cartoon on youtube, and just had to share it. Hope you like it (as well as everyone else) let me know what you think of it!!!!! funny funny funny some of you might have seen it before, but oh well. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtKAQJUc3g

Thanks SV, I hadn't seen that one before. :beer:

[Amy]

Florida was bent on killing Bundy, but even then, it was over a decade before that happened. Ramirez seems to have been overlooked in the bigger picture and the state is executing other people. I've always wanted to know how many serial killers reside on CA's death row alone.

I'm not sure what the hold up is in CA, but several years ago during another CA case, there were 600+ in front of him on Death Row. Some of it might have to do with the enormous back-up in getting to the point where an appeal can be heard.

I have not kept up with who all has been executed there, but it seems they are slowly working up the line. The gang guy who wrote kids' books--Tookie or something, had been on DR for longer than RR, I think (but I won't bet the farm.) Whatever it is, CA does seem to be V-E-R-Y slow in even setting up executions, let alone carrying them out.

IMO

[Super Volcano]

bleh_adaini said:



Ahh lonely and desperate....

Two characteristics I'm guessing one must possess to actually idolize a loser convicted of killing and raping the elderly.



Well as a non idiot, thanks for pointing that one out for it really didn't stick out for me. :)

As with your pink hair, your "I hate my life" tattoo, and your Marilyn Manson tapes, I am sure you will grow out of this one day. Hopefully before you happen to follow in your buddy Richard "No Dental Plan" Ramirez's footsteps. :D

Thank you soooo much for your very TRUE comments here to our totally improper rude pink haired goat on here. Helps the rest of us relax!!!!!

[Super Volcano]

hahaha My My and your a Christian did you say? take that for your sins:punch:

I don't know why I am wasting my time on you, but as Christians, we believe an "eye for an eye." Your boyfriend R.R murdered alot of people, and to execute him for his hiddeous crimes, would help even the score. So don't you dare come in here and take on me and my beliefs. I promise you, you will NOT win. And this is NOT the site to do it on, either. So take your rude comments, and shove them up where the sun don't shine, because that is where they belong. :flamemad:

[Drumbum]

Your not my kind of people,and what a hypocrite you are to be calling me a troll then on the other hand ask me to be respectful and make friends with snots who already dislike me ha! do you understand me moron?
I didn't come here to make friends, and I'm also entitled to my opinions.
You lot are a stupid bunch and your not on this site to talk about RR, your all lonely and desperate people searching for love and to flirt, it sticks out and any idiot can see it. You know nothing about the guy, your accusing me that I'm one of his groupies lol, when in fact your all on here because your all fascinated by him. :no: now grow up and act like Adults :chicken:

Whatever you say bah. Please move along soon. :seeya:

[Super Volcano]

Hey super Volcano is that you on your default lol from the pink goat :seeya: hahahahaha:tongue:

Run along you little one. I don't want to waste any more time on trolls like you. Whatever you say that is mean or derogatory, only makes you look like a BIGGER troll to everyone else. Obviously you are not here to make friends, so do us all a favor, and move ON.

[SaraSidle]

Anyone who idolizes or worships someone who is a serial killer or mass murderer apparently has never had a loved one fall victim to the hand's of murder.


It is appalling that there are actually people out there that look up to these pondscum of humans. But I guess that is one of the problems with the ability of free thought I suppose.. :shrug:

The thing I do not understand is why do these people think they are any different than the victims of the serial killer? Do they think they would not share the same fate if they were in similar circumstances with the killer in question?


I read an article (and I wish to heck I saved it) on the internet with some experts explaining why women are attracted to serial killers. The only thing I really remember is a part of it has to do with their self esteem. IMO

[RogerV]

hahahaha wow did a little girl upset you :no: try not to take it to heart fishface oh and by the way it's you guys who are accusing me of worshiping RR, so to straighten out my personnel thoughts on what he did, it was despicable , but you dick heads assumed I was another one of his groupies, so you can believe what you want, I know the truth about my relationship with him, and like I said before he is a married man and my mother taught me about morals and values, something you ppl. don't practice. Oh yeah Richards teeth are just beautiful he had them all repaired, he has better teeth then you lot, and your taxes paid for them, lol :hat:

It's too bad that when your mother was teaching you about "morals and values," she didn't also teach you how to spell and punctuate.

[SaraSidle]

Here I am gone sick for a few days and you all are responding to the troll. All I can say is the more you ignore she will go away. the more you respond she will plant her roots. up to you. please do not get the thread shut down. trolls love to bait and I see she is doing a great job with it.

[grneyes]

I read an article (and I wish to heck I saved it) on the internet with some experts explaining why women are attracted to serial killers. The only thing I really remember is a part of it has to do with their self esteem. IMO

Along with low self esteem, the attraction to a "bad boy" , and the thrill they get from the danger, and/or the belief that they won't be hurt by them or thinking that they can change them.

[SaraSidle]

Along with low self esteem, the attraction to a "bad boy" , and the thrill they get from the danger, and/or the belief that they won't be hurt by them or thinking that they can change them.

yes I remember reading that also Grneyes in the article. One of these days I will try to find it. It made good sense. Might have been called Serial killer groupies I think....................IMO

[susie31023]

Along with low self esteem, the attraction to a "bad boy" , and the thrill they get from the danger, and/or the belief that they won't be hurt by them or thinking that they can change them.

I agree GE. You can also add the added desire for their fifteen minutes of fame. RR is a the lowest form of a human being there is. Unfortunately our judicial system is such that him and others like him continue to breathe while their victims lie cold in their graves. Their families are forever scarred by their senseless murders.

RR continues to victimize but in a different way, that is being allowed to even communicate with anyone outside the prison walls. He is supposed to be on death row, why are these people still allowed to do this. Where is the justice for the victims? I find it sickening that they can marry and continue contact with anyone....Just my opinion...

[grneyes]

Yeah Susie I know what you mean. It really ticks me off to hear murders like RR complaining about their rights. They shouldn't have ANY rights whatsoever. :cuss: They gave those up when they took a life.

Sara I'd like to read that if you find the link. :-)

[SaraSidle]

Yeah Susie I know what you mean. It really ticks me off to hear murders like RR complaining about their rights. They shouldn't have ANY rights whatsoever. :cuss: They gave those up when they took a life.

Sara I'd like to read that if you find the link. :-)

grneyes I just googled it and there are many under that name. when I am more awake I will go find it. I know it was not the first 6 listed. IMO

[RogerV]

Along with low self esteem, the attraction to a "bad boy" , and the thrill they get from the danger, and/or the belief that they won't be hurt by them or thinking that they can change them.


I recently saw a program about five women with lovers/husbands in prison that was put together over a fair amount of time. I found it interesting that by the time the program was finished, two of the five had given up. It would be interesting to see some figures on how many of these so-called "relationships" fail. I'm guessing the figures would be fairly high.

[Super Volcano]

Here I am gone sick for a few days and you all are responding to the troll. All I can say is the more you ignore she will go away. the more you respond she will plant her roots. up to you. please do not get the thread shut down. trolls love to bait and I see she is doing a great job with it.

I know I am guilty of giving in to the troll, but your advice is well taken, and will be put in motion. We need everyone else to comply with this plan....yes?

[Super Volcano]

Here I am gone sick for a few days and you all are responding to the troll. All I can say is the more you ignore she will go away. the more you respond she will plant her roots. up to you. please do not get the thread shut down. trolls love to bait and I see she is doing a great job with it.

p.s, Glad you are feeling well. Welcome back!!!!!:rose:

[Super Volcano]

I recently saw a program about five women with lovers/husbands in prison that was put together over a fair amount of time. I found it interesting that by the time the program was finished, two of the five had given up. It would be interesting to see some figures on how many of these so-called "relationships" fail. I'm guessing the figures would be fairly high.

IMO these relationships will NEVER will be, or could be everlasting, because it is totally immoral, and dispicable (sp?) in the eyes of the Lord. History has taught that anything that is wrong, perverted, or evil, NEVER last, and ends at some point or another, sometimes tragically. Just like R.R brain washed wife who claims she will take her own life the day he is finally executed. _What?_??????? What a waste

[Serial Killer X]

I know I am guilty of giving in to the troll, but your advice is well taken, and will be put in motion. We need everyone else to comply with this plan....yes?

I Agree Mr Volcano *sighs* Why Do People Like Richard I Could Never Understand How You Can Like Someone. That Used To Sneak Into People's Home's At Night And Savagly Rape And Murder Them, Beat's Me :shrug: One Of Richard's Victim's Nearly Had Her Head Cut Off And Her Son Found Her. Hurry Up And Execute Him :) I Do Hope The Troll Get's The Message :)

-SKX

Super Volcano Is Cool

[Super Volcano]

I Agree Mr Volcano *sighs* Why Do People Like Richard I Could Never Understand How You Can Like Someone. That Used To Sneak Into People's Home's At Night And Savagly Rape And Murder Them, Beat's Me :shrug: One Of Richard's Victim's Nearly Had Her Head Cut Off And Her Son Found Her. Hurry Up And Execute Him :) I Do Hope The Troll Get's The Message :)

-SKX

Super Volcano Is Cool

Aw gee thanks, so are you!!! (cool). hahaha Miss Volcano, thank you very much. I am just amazed at the state of California for keeping the monster alive this long.

[Drumbum]

Aw gee thanks, so are you!!! (cool). hahaha Miss Volcano, thank you very much. I am just amazed at the state of California for keeping the monster alive this long.

Unfortunately, he's just one monster on Cali's row.

[odette]

yes I remember reading that also Grneyes in the article. One of these days I will try to find it. It made good sense. Might have been called Serial killer groupies I think....................IMO

Hey Sara .. Here is an article which may be the one which you mentioned.

"Serial Killer Groupies"

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/s_k_groupies/index.html

[Joseph Bell]

Unfortunately, he's just one monster on Cali's row.

Can he still be executed or is he in a permanent holding pattern?

[sharlock]

Can he still be executed or is he in a permanent holding pattern?
Richard Ramirez was appealig his death sentence claiming that numerous errors were made during his trial. He claimed that he did not receive a fair trial yet he himself often put on shows for the jury during the trial and sentencing hearing. He even once called a guard over and showed him 2 photos of 2 of his murder victims. He showed no remorse. In August 2006 the Supreme Court upheld his sentence and said the death sentence would go ahead. You can go to this link to look for appeal updates
http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/mainCaseScreen.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=982921&doc_no=B044368
I personally disagree with the death penalty but I won't shed any tears for Richard. Most of the people he killed were the breadwinners of their families and he left these families destitute and grief stricken scarring their children for life.

[Joseph Bell]

Hi. Death penalty works for me. I was really only bumping. Got to make sure Aussies get a good rep here on CL.:)

[sharlock]

Hi. Death penalty works for me. I was really only bumping. Got to make sure Aussies get a good rep here on CL.:)
Are you an Aussie as well? :beer: Don't worry we create an impression wherever we go lol.

[Jules100]

I wonder if he will ever be executed, he has been on DR for so long now.

[Amy]

Can he still be executed or is he in a permanent holding pattern?


Yes, he can be. IIRC, in earlier posts, his last appeal (meaning he ran out of appeals) was denied in 2006? Which means he is still on the execution list, CA just has to get on the ball and start executing them---don't know how many are on the list whose appeals have run out, or why the heck CA doesn't just start lining them up and getting the job done.

[RogerV]

I wonder if he will ever be executed, he has been on DR for so long now.

One alternative would be to transfer him to the general prison population. Historically, guys like him don't last very long under those conditions.

[Jules100]

One alternative would be to transfer him to the general prison population. Historically, guys like him don't last very long under those conditions.


I'm with you on that one, i said the same thing on a post earlier, it was about child abuse, i said they should be branded on the forehead and then put in general population to see how long they last

[SaraSidle]

p.s, Glad you are feeling well. Welcome back!!!!!:rose:

Thanks SV I missed everyone and I am so glad to be back! love your avatar!!!!

[SaraSidle]

Hey Sara .. Here is an article which may be the one which you mentioned.

"Serial Killer Groupies"

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/s_k_groupies/index.html

thanks Odette. That is a wonderful article by Katherine but that is not it. I did see that one when I was looking for grneyes. Everyone should read the link you posted. thank you very much again. You rule.

[Drumbum]

In related news, Robert Lee Yates has been issued a stay of execution.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/yates/bodies_1.html

[SaraSidle]

Grneyes this is one article. not the one I was telling you about. I will keep looking. http://dead-silence.org/?p=28

[Super Volcano]

Thanks SV I missed everyone and I am so glad to be back! love your avatar!!!!

Thanks!!! Your avatar isn't bad either!!!!:rose:

[SaraSidle]

Thanks!!! Your avatar isn't bad either!!!!:rose:

thanks. I am going to be changing it. It was the only redhead I could find but Susie found an even better one. I just need to figure out how to post it.

[grneyes]

Grneyes this is one article. not the one I was telling you about. I will keep looking. http://dead-silence.org/?p=28

Thanks Sara! :beer:
They bring up an interesting question concerning the types of women that are in the groupie ranks. I too would like to know more about their histories and whether or not they were abused.

[SaraSidle]

Thanks Sara! :beer:
They bring up an interesting question concerning the types of women that are in the groupie ranks. I too would like to know more about their histories and whether or not they were abused.

I understand and googling is not helping me. I wish I knew where I saw that.
I will keep looking though. Only for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grneyes]

I understand and googling is not helping me. I wish I knew where I saw that.
I will keep looking though. Only for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aww, don't do it just for me. I can search later on for it.

[SaraSidle]

Aww, don't do it just for me. I can search later on for it.

Well for me too. Others have wanted to see it on this thread and it is bugging me now. So only partly for you! Is that better?:read:

[SaraSidle]

Remember Friends- ignore ignore ignore Please. I like this thread.

[grneyes]

Remember Friends- ignore ignore ignore Please. I like this thread.

Ignore what? I don't see anything do you? ;)

[Karin]

must say that i am wondering just exactly what it is that we have lost? what has pinkie won? aren't we all just hangin here for a chat about some stuff that interests us....damn...at the end of the day i just have to go to work to pay the bills..just having a good time here.....nothing more and nothing less..look out kid they keep it all hid!

[SaraSidle]

must say that i am wondering just exactly what it is that we have lost? what has pinkie won? aren't we all just hangin here for a chat about some stuff that interests us....damn...at the end of the day i just have to go to work to pay the bills..just having a good time here.....nothing more and nothing less..look out kid they keep it all hid!

Karin, One thing I have learned is how to recognize a troll and figure out that the troll just wants to bait and bash everyone on the thread and make them upset. In the mean time the moderator does not allow for this and shuts down the thread. it has happened to me more than you know and it was not pleasant. Let us just keep posting to each other and keep that one on ignore till she leaves. Please trust me

[Super Volcano]

Remember Friends- ignore ignore ignore Please. I like this thread.

I agree. We need to do our part to defend our turf here.:beer:

[SaraSidle]

I agree. We need to do our part to defend our turf here.:beer:

You are so cool SV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so glad I met you.

[Super Volcano]

You are so cool SV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so glad I met you.

Aw, gee. thanks!!! It sucked around here without you keeping us in line. I COMPLETELY believe everything you say about the risk we face with letting a troll shut this down, and us losing contact. Living in Utah, I am single, and in my 30's. All of my friends are now married, and I all of a sudden feel all alone. "sniff" (don't feel too bad for me, I have 20 nieces and nephews to keep me busy) so making new friends with you, grneyes, drumbum, Karin, Serial killer X, Joseph Bell, (sorry if I didn't mention you) etc., means alot, and friends back each other up, am I right? :rose:

[Karin]

Karin, One thing I have learned is how to recognize a troll and figure out that the troll just wants to bait and bash everyone on the thread and make them upset. In the mean time the moderator does not allow for this and shuts down the thread. it has happened to me more than you know and it was not pleasant. Let us just keep posting to each other and keep that one on ignore till she leaves. Please trust me

trust you sarasidle!

[SaraSidle]

Aw, gee. thanks!!! It sucked around here without you keeping us in line. I COMPLETELY believe everything you say about the risk we face with letting a troll shut this down, and us losing contact. Living in Utah, I am single, and in my 30's. All of my friends are now married, and I all of a sudden feel all alone. "sniff" (don't feel too bad for me, I have 20 nieces and nephews to keep me busy) so making new friends with you, grneyes, drumbum, Karin, Serial killer X, Joseph Bell, (sorry if I didn't mention you) etc., means alot, and friends back each other up, am I right? :rose:

You know what SV? I was the same way. I was young wanting to get married and have lots of kids. I did not meet the right person until it was too late but you need to know I am very happy and our 2 cats we adopted our my kids (not to mention his 3 grown kids and their kids). Anywas the moral of this story is be careful but find you friends where and when you can. You are not alone here. Sara

P.S. Please remember if there is a new poster that does not have anything to offer as info but is glad to comment on the posters to report that person to Deepwater. It happens more than you would like to know on very many message boards. Sorry to say there are people out there lonelier than you that like to rile things up and close boards. Moderators will not tolerate it.

[grneyes]

Aw, gee. thanks!!! It sucked around here without you keeping us in line. I COMPLETELY believe everything you say about the risk we face with letting a troll shut this down, and us losing contact. Living in Utah, I am single, and in my 30's. All of my friends are now married, and I all of a sudden feel all alone. "sniff" (don't feel too bad for me, I have 20 nieces and nephews to keep me busy) so making new friends with you, grneyes, drumbum, Karin, Serial killer X, Joseph Bell, (sorry if I didn't mention you) etc., means alot, and friends back each other up, am I right? :rose:

SV you are so sweet. Yes, friends do back each other up.

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[SaraSidle]

trust you sarasidle!

You are a good woman Karin and I have always known that!!!!!!!!!!

[grneyes]

You are a good woman Karin and I have always known that!!!!!!!!!!

Sara I thought you knew Karin better than that?
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(Just teasing Karin you know I love ya! :rose:)

[Karin]

You are a good woman Karin and I have always known that!!!!!!!!!!

well i think that intelligence runs in our family...miss you!

[SaraSidle]

well i think that intelligence runs in our family...miss you!

Well Karin and grneyes here is the absolute truth-

I truly believe that Karin is a much more good hearted person than you and I grneyes. Maybe it is what she has gone through or not and her place in life now. But she is more forgiving and humane than most people we know. We are the same way but have more experinces that have changed us. Karin is young enough and strong enough to be a caring person who wants to reach out and help. I hope neither one of you take offense because I really am complimenting the both of you and If I did not like you I would not post. IMo

[grneyes]

It appears that Karin is not the only one with a good heart Sara. Maybe you should take a look at yourself too. :-)


(((((HUGS)))))

[Drumbum]

Well Karin and grneyes here is the absolute truth-

I truly believe that Karin is a much more good hearted person than you and I grneyes. Maybe it is what she has gone through or not and her place in life now. But she is more forgiving and humane than most people we know. We are the same way but have more experinces that have changed us. Karin is young enough and strong enough to be a caring person who wants to reach out and help. I hope neither one of you take offense because I really am complimenting the both of you and If I did not like you I would not post. IMo

She is. You'll get no debate from me. :cool: You're all wonderful people and I'm grateful for your friendship.

[RogerV]

Aw, gee. thanks!!! It sucked around here without you keeping us in line. I COMPLETELY believe everything you say about the risk we face with letting a troll shut this down, and us losing contact. Living in Utah, I am single, and in my 30's. All of my friends are now married, and I all of a sudden feel all alone. "sniff" (don't feel too bad for me, I have 20 nieces and nephews to keep me busy) so making new friends with you, grneyes, drumbum, Karin, Serial killer X, Joseph Bell, (sorry if I didn't mention you) etc., means alot, and friends back each other up, am I right? :rose:


SV, about a thousand years ago I grew up on the Northwestern Fringes of the "Mormon Corridor," so believe me, I know your situation! You can tell people all about it, but only someone who has actually lived in that region has a real inkling of what it means :eek:. Take care, and we won't abandon you!

Anyway, back to the subject of this particular thread, the other infuriating thing about Ramirez is that he's under protection at taxpayers' expense. He knows he can mock the families of his victims because they cannot touch him. :flamemad:

I do remember back to when he was hunted down practically by an entire neighborhood, and someone who will forever be a hero in my book was beating him with a metal fence post; he wasn't cocky, he wasn't mocking anyone, he was experiencing unmitigated terror (and hopefully a lot of physical pain). The sheriff's deputies who arrived on the scene actually had to protect him from the mob of outraged citizens.

It would be really nice to see him experience some of that terror again...

[SaraSidle]

It appears that Karin is not the only one with a good heart Sara. Maybe you should take a look at yourself too. :-)


(((((HUGS)))))

I look at me and I see you............((((((Hugs))))))

[SaraSidle]

Okay let us look at it this way. On this thread we are good friends whether we disagree or not and we usually agree. We respect each other and our opinions. That is how I feel about all of you and this is such an interesting case I do not want to jeopardize it. And I am really mad at the tax dollars too believe me..............IMO

[Super Volcano]

SV, about a thousand years ago I grew up on the Northwestern Fringes of the "Mormon Corridor," so believe me, I know your situation! You can tell people all about it, but only someone who has actually lived in that region has a real inkling of what it means :eek:. Take care, and we won't abandon you!

Anyway, back to the subject of this particular thread, the other infuriating thing about Ramirez is that he's under protection at taxpayers' expense. He knows he can mock the families of his victims because they cannot touch him. :flamemad:

I do remember back to when he was hunted down practically by an entire neighborhood, and someone who will forever be a hero in my book was beating him with a metal fence post; he wasn't cocky, he wasn't mocking anyone, he was experiencing unmitigated terror (and hopefully a lot of physical pain). The sheriff's deputies who arrived on the scene actually had to protect him from the mob of outraged citizens.

It would be really nice to see him experience some of that terror again...

YES!!!!!!! someone knows my real pain, and that I am not having a pity party about being single in this state!!! Thanks for the comfort of you my friends being there!!!!
Yes, about that good 'fer nothin' R.R....I remember watching a t.v. special they did on R.R, and the thing that stuck in my mind, was when some lady recognized him as he tried to get on a bus, and screamed it was the "night stalker." Other people started following him, until it was a huge mob. If I remember right, they chased him until he was cornered, and they just beat the living snot out of him. I think that if I was also in that crowd, and I knew For SURE that it was him, I think I might have cheered on the crowd. As far as participating, I dunno. I have never been in a real fight before in my life (my brothers used to give me Indian underwear, and stuff like that. but we NEVER hit each other - at least from what I can remember). I probably would have sat on him until the police came or something. But if the crowd did kill him, I think (or hope) it would be looked on as justice. It is disgusting that California is dragging it's feet with everything that seems to be of "better importance." Why not just line up all of the idiots on death row, and we could all have our own B.BQue party outside the gates? It would one, give the victims families closure, and two, bring this rediculous R.R female follower thang to an end! Yee haw!!!! :D

[grneyes]

YES!!!!!!! someone knows my real pain, and that I am not having a pity party about being single in this state!!! Thanks for the comfort of you my friends being there!!!!
Yes, about that good 'fer nothin' R.R....I remember watching a t.v. special they did on R.R, and the thing that stuck in my mind, was when some lady recognized him as he tried to get on a bus, and screamed it was the "night stalker." Other people started following him, until it was a huge mob. If I remember right, they chased him until he was cornered, and they just beat the living snot out of him. I think that if I was also in that crowd, and I knew For SURE that it was him, I think I might have cheered on the crowd. As far as participating, I dunno. I have never been in a real fight before in my life (my brothers used to give me Indian underwear, and stuff like that. but we NEVER hit each other - at least from what I can remember). I probably would have sat on him until the police came or something. But if the crowd did kill him, I think (or hope) it would be looked on as justice. It is disgusting that California is dragging it's feet with everything that seems to be of "better importance." Why not just line up all of the idiots on death row, and we could all have our own B.BQue party outside the gates? It would one, give the victims families closure, and two, bring this rediculous R.R female follower thang to an end! Yee haw!!!! :D

SV I've never lived in a Mormon area but I do live in a town that is 99% Catholic and I'm about as far from being a Catholic as you can get. *lol* Me and my dh are definite outcast here not only because of not being Catholic but because we aren't related to anyone here and my being an American doesn't really help either. If you have family around you then that really helps because we only have my youngest son nearby who we don't get to see often because of work schedules, so we (me and dh) really only have each other to talk to face to face. Which is why I cherish my online friends so much. They help me keep my sanity.
:beer:

[SaraSidle]

SV I've never lived in a Mormon area but I do live in a town that is 99% Catholic and I'm about as far from being a Catholic as you can get. *lol* Me and my dh are definite outcast here not only because of not being Catholic but because we aren't related to anyone here and my being an American doesn't really help either. If you have family around you then that really helps because we only have my youngest son nearby who we don't get to see often because of work schedules, so we (me and dh) really only have each other to talk to face to face. Which is why I cherish my online friends so much. They help me keep my sanity.
:beer:

I feel so bad about the place you are living about. I am embarassed Catholics are acting like that. That must be difficult and lonely being so far away. I have lived in my house for 20 years and I am close to all my neighbors. Sara:seeya:

[grneyes]

I feel so bad about the place you are living about. I am embarassed Catholics are acting like that. That must be difficult and lonely being so far away. I have lived in my house for 20 years and I am close to all my neighbors. Sara:seeya:

I don't think it's so much the Catholic thing (though I could be wrong) but more the family thing. There are basically 4 main families here and they are all intertwined in one way or the other.

[SaraSidle]

I don't think it's so much the Catholic thing (though I could be wrong) but more the family thing. There are basically 4 main families here and they are all intertwined in one way or the other.

Well it is still a shame. My brother was promoted to a smaller city out east and everyone was so rude to them they moved back to Michigan Even though our dad and his family grew up out east. strange.
Anyways has anyone heard about Richard's health and would that be a reason to put off his death sentence? IMO

[Karin]

Well it is still a shame. My brother was promoted to a smaller city out east and everyone was so rude to them they moved back to Michigan Even though our dad and his family grew up out east. strange.
Anyways has anyone heard about Richard's health and would that be a reason to put off his death sentence? IMO

I live in the burbs of Atlanta and the cultural diversity has an impact on how we all interact...feel the need to acquire a second language..

I don't think poor health changes the process for lethal injection...I just don't believe the courts are very close to even starting some of his remaining appeals. His defense was handled so shabbily that he will probably spend 10 more years having his case examined before they kill him...

[grneyes]

Well it is still a shame. My brother was promoted to a smaller city out east and everyone was so rude to them they moved back to Michigan Even though our dad and his family grew up out east. strange.
Anyways has anyone heard about Richard's health and would that be a reason to put off his death sentence? IMO

I don't think poor health should be a reason to put off a death sentence. I mean, what difference does it make if they are healthy or not to die? Think of it as putting them out of their misery. :rolleyes:

[Karin]

It appears that Karin is not the only one with a good heart Sara. Maybe you should take a look at yourself too. :-)


(((((HUGS)))))


Since we are having fun getting off the RR topic, thought I'd add one more thing....Thanks Sara for your thoughts, made me feel good. I have to agree with grneyes that you are pretty spectacular yourself. I am happy to have met and become friends with our little group and I hope to always find you here to bring a bit more light into my life! OK I'm done being mushy now...Back to RR...

[Drumbum]

Since we are having fun getting off the RR topic, thought I'd add one more thing....Thanks Sara for your thoughts, made me feel good. I have to agree with grneyes that you are pretty spectacular yourself. I am happy to have met and become friends with our little group and I hope to always find you here to bring a bit more light into my life! OK I'm done being mushy now...Back to RR...

I like mushy here and there. :cool:

It's strange, but a person who's going to be executed has to be pronounced fit for execution. How absurd is that?

[Super Volcano]

I don't think poor health should be a reason to put off a death sentence. I mean, what difference does it make if they are healthy or not to die? Think of it as putting them out of their misery. :rolleyes:

The only thing that the state of California, or the main executioner should be thinking, is "let's end this miserable stinking life form, that took soooo many innocent lives so very violently." Not "let's keep him alive; to kill him would be MEAN!!!!" We need someone with some cahonies to speed up the process. I don't know if "Ahnuld," the Govenator, has anything to do with the process, but maybe someone like him.

[Super Volcano]

I like mushy here and there. :cool:

It's strange, but a person who's going to be executed has to be pronounced fit for execution. How absurd is that?

Yea, mushy is fun * ;) * On the second thing you mentioned, that is RETARDED!!!! Whoever made up that stupid law should be fired from his (or her) job. Prisoners on the "Green Mile" know of these laws, and they play games until they are putty in the hands of the retards calling themselves Lawyers, and Politicians.

[grneyes]

Yea, mushy is fun * ;) * On the second thing you mentioned, that is RETARDED!!!! Whoever made up that stupid law should be fired from his (or her) job. Prisoners on the "Green Mile" know of these laws, and they play games until they are putty in the hands of the retards calling themselves Lawyers, and Politicians.

I love that movie. Have you seen it SV?

[SaraSidle]

I love that movie. Have you seen it SV?

I did grneyes and I read the books first. Always makes me cry (speaking of mushy). sandy

[grneyes]

I did grneyes and I read the books first. Always makes me cry (speaking of mushy). sandy

I've got the books too. I just love them. Stephen King has always been one of my favorite authors though and that one was his best I think.

[Super Volcano]

I love that movie. Have you seen it SV?

Yes, I did!!!!! Tom Hanks was PERFECT for that role, as was Michael Clark Duncan. I served a mission for my church in the New Hampshire Manchester Mission. The area included Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. In Bangor Maine, is Stephen King's house. I have seen it, and well, it is interesting. He has a gargantuon house of course, with a cast iron fence around it with gargoyles on it. He even has on his front door, those big huge round iron knockers on it. Probably all for show...who knows. The community all said he is a great guy, and gives alot to the community. As far as his books and movies go, he is too wierd and freaky form me. The only movies I have seen, was Misery (Kathy Bates will NEVER be the same for me again) and of course, the Green Mile, which was allot better. :D

[grneyes]

Yes, I did!!!!! Tom Hanks was PERFECT for that role, as was Michael Clark Duncan. I served a mission for my church in the New Hampshire Manchester Mission. The area included Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. In Bangor Maine, is Stephen King's house. I have seen it, and well, it is interesting. He has a gargantuon house of course, with a cast iron fence around it with gargoyles on it. He even has on his front door, those big huge round iron knockers on it. Probably all for show...who knows. The community all said he is a great guy, and gives alot to the community. As far as his books and movies go, he is too wierd and freaky form me. The only movies I have seen, was Misery (Kathy Bates will NEVER be the same for me again) and of course, the Green Mile, which was allot better. :D

I've been hooked on King ever since I read Carrie when it first hit the shelves. Scary books/movies don't bother me too often though I don't like to watch horror movies alone in the dark anymore. *lol*

[SaraSidle]

I've got the books too. I just love them. Stephen King has always been one of my favorite authors though and that one was his best I think.


I loved that one but also one of his first where they all get a virus and only a few survive and the book "IT" was good. I loved it when he starred in his own shows.

[SaraSidle]

I've been hooked on King ever since I read Carrie when it first hit the shelves. Scary books/movies don't bother me too often though I don't like to watch horror movies alone in the dark anymore. *lol*

I will come watch them with you grneyes

[grneyes]

I loved that one but also one of his first where they all get a virus and only a few survive and the book "IT" was good. I loved it when he starred in his own shows.

Do you mean The Stand or one of the others? I've noticed he has a new one out so I'm hoping dh will get it for me for xmas.

Did you read the Dark Tower series? The first few books are kind of hard to get into but they get better as it goes and then kinda loses a bit in the last couple.... But I still enjoyed the series.


I will come watch them with you grneyes

How do you like your popcorn? :D


Even with all the creepy books King wrote, he never compared to the horror of a real live RR though. *shiver*

[Super Volcano]

I loved that one but also one of his first where they all get a virus and only a few survive and the book "IT" was good. I loved it when he starred in his own shows.

The one you speak of about the virus might be one worth checking out. I did see Carrie at some Halloween party back in high school. It was freaky. I mainly remember that John Travolta (Danny Zuko a total hottie then) was in it.
What is the title of the virus one? Was it the stand like grneyes says? "It" gave me nightmares. Since then I have hated clowns. Reading the gross story of John Wayne Gacey made me think of "it." he was a BIG it. (haha) Anyone remember Goonies, with Chunk and Slaw? hahaha love that one......

[SUSYDAHMER]

hello im a newbie ,this post are very interesting

[Amy]

Welcome to the board SUSYDAHMER

I do NOT watch horror or scary movies. I did read Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, and regret every minute of it!! lol Just hard to put down. Would only read them if my nephew was in the house, tho.

My kids have loved to watch Chuckie and Elm Street and all sorts of horror movies, and DD got hooked on Stephen King by the books my nephew left behind.

I was totally surprised the other day when she said "Wizard of Oz" the regular movie, scared her to death!!!! HUH????? After watching all that other?

I do more true crime reading and watching. Like grneyes says, real life can be scarier than some of the fiction. RR, the Green River Killer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacie (altho I never watched the horror movie about the clowns.)

[Drumbum]

I agree. No S.K. book can compare to reality.

I salute you Stephen, you're literary genius.:patriot:

[SaraSidle]

Do you mean The Stand or one of the others? I've noticed he has a new one out so I'm hoping dh will get it for me for xmas.

Did you read the Dark Tower series? The first few books are kind of hard to get into but they get better as it goes and then kinda loses a bit in the last couple.... But I still enjoyed the series.




How do you like your popcorn? :D


Even with all the creepy books King wrote, he never compared to the horror of a real live RR though. *shiver*


I just saw this grneyes. The Stand is the one that started me on Stephen King. and I do like Dark Tower. Not as much as the regular books though. I like my popcorn buttery with no salts. It will take me 6 hours to get there.

yes reading the R.R. gives me chills just like a scarey movie. It is the only serial killer book I have kept. I mean talk about not having morals. And if we lived there it could have been us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[SaraSidle]

hello im a newbie ,this post are very interesting

Hello Susy. Welcome to CL!!!!!!!! I hope you enjoy yourself.

[Super Volcano]

Hello Susy. Welcome to CL!!!!!!!! I hope you enjoy yourself.

Does anyone know how many death sentences R.R got?

[Fish Face Frank]

Does anyone know how many death sentences R.R got?


This was all I could find. It says he was found guilty of 13 murders but it does not go into specifics about the penalty for each count.

[Super Volcano]

This was all I could find. It says he was found guilty of 13 murders but it does not go into specifics about the penalty for each count.

Ugh, disgusting. IMO he should have recieved a death sentence for all 13. I have wondered if the number of death sentences a person receives would put him/her at the top of the execution list. They seem to be taking their sweet time on this case.

[Johnna Depp]

It only states one.....but, it says he was convicted of 13 slayings . That's weird. I guess, they just wanted to get him on there????





Does anyone know how many death sentences R.R got?

[Karin]

On September 20, 1989 Richard Ramirez was convicted of 67 felonies, 14 murders and received 19 death sentences....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_78g94F4nNg&feature=related

[Super Volcano]

On September 20, 1989 Richard Ramirez was convicted of 67 felonies, 14 murders and received 19 death sentences....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_78g94F4nNg&feature=related

Oh my freaking piece of crap....you would think they would take him right to the death chamber, and do it right then and there with the families already there. Too many stupid laws, and regulations get in the way for this creep, that doesn't deserve to have the sun shine on his dog ugly butt. :cuss:

[Karin]

Oh my freaking piece of crap....you would think they would take him right to the death chamber, and do it right then and there with the families already there. Too many stupid laws, and regulations get in the way for this creep, that doesn't deserve to have the sun shine on his dog ugly butt. :cuss:

Hi SV, because his trial was incompetent with the mistakes his lawyers made, he will probably die of natural causes before they stick the needle in his veins....Plus California doesn't really like to execute people. We wait and we will see...don't hold your breath though!

[Fish Face Frank]

Ugh, disgusting. IMO he should have recieved a death sentence for all 13. I have wondered if the number of death sentences a person receives would put him/her at the top of the execution list. They seem to be taking their sweet time on this case.


Crap, I thought I posted a link there. What an idiot. lmao

[Super Volcano]

Crap, I thought I posted a link there. What an idiot. lmao

Hey F.F.F, you could leave your thoughts on this subject here too!!!!:beer:

[SaraSidle]

Hi SV, because his trial was incompetent with the mistakes his lawyers made, he will probably die of natural causes before they stick the needle in his veins....Plus California doesn't really like to execute people. We wait and we will see...don't hold your breath though!

Oh my Karin. I had no idea. that is terrible about the hold up. thanks for the info.

[Super Volcano]

Oh my Karin. I had no idea. that is terrible about the hold up. thanks for the info.

Yea, too bad we can't transfer R.R to Texas, while playing "Taking Care Of Business" over and over to him, till he gets there. :cuss:

[Fish Face Frank]

Hey F.F.F, you could leave your thoughts on this subject here too!!!!:beer:

Well I happen to think RR is a POS.

I am sure his family had a lot to do with corrupting his mind with murder and violence, but the responsibility falls into the lap of the individual IMO.

There was a poster here ( I do not recall who), who stated that the 1st thing he wanted was pictures of her in her bikini. To me that sounds like someone who is arrogant, distasteful, and maybe just a tad unfailthful to their wife. :rolleyes:

[Super Volcano]

Well I happen to think RR is a POS.

I am sure his family had a lot to do with corrupting his mind with murder and violence, but the responsibility falls into the lap of the individual IMO.

There was a poster here ( I do not recall who), who stated that the 1st thing he wanted was pictures of her in her bikini. To me that sounds like someone who is arrogant, distasteful, and maybe just a tad unfailthful to their wife. :rolleyes:

Yea, I TOTALLY agree that R.R is a POS. I still stand by my statement that it is too bad we can't transfer R.R to Texas, while playing "Taking Care Of Business" over and over to him, till he gets there. If California doesn't have the laws, or even the slightest dsire to rid themselves of a murdering vagrant,. then let Texas take care of business!!!!:cool:

[Johnna Depp]

Thanks for the accurate info. That definitely makes me feel a lot safer. I knew there had to be more. Good job!

Thanks :)




On September 20, 1989 Richard Ramirez was convicted of 67 felonies, 14 murders and received