Eerie find...........

[MCRrocksmysocks]

While perusing through Fawley's public photo album on photobucket.com, I found something eerie on a screenshot of his computer's desktop.... His AOL instant messenger buddy list isn't minimized, and you can see Taylor's screen name "lostinessence" online, and under its own category on his list, "Special". She must have been on a mobile phone though, considering there is a little blue phone beside her screen name, which is online at the time he captured the screenshot....

http://tinypic.com/ere87t.jpg

If you look really close, you will see it in the top right corner.

Weeeeird.....

[spiderwalk]

The picture is too small for me to see it :( do you have a direct link to the photobucket album you are viewing it from?

I agree, that is kind of spooky.

[MCRrocksmysocks]

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Skulz_pc/?action=view&current=screen_shot_skulz00_02.jpg

so sad.... :-/

[RugerDog]

Originally posted by MCRrocksmysocks
While perusing through Fawley's public photo album on photobucket.com, I found something eerie on a screenshot of his computer's desktop.... His AOL instant messenger buddy list isn't minimized, and you can see Taylor's screen name "lostinessence" online, and under its own category on his list, "Special". She must have been on a mobile phone though, considering there is a little blue phone beside her screen name, which is online at the time he captured the screenshot....

http://tinypic.com/ere87t.jpg

If you look really close, you will see it in the top right corner.

Weeeeird.....


You should really consider tipping off Richmond police or FBI about this. If it's not pertinate to the investigation, no harm done.

[spiderwalk]

Originally posted by MCRrocksmysocks
http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Skulz_pc/?action=view&current=screen_shot_skulz00_02.jpg

so sad.... :-/

Wow...I had never noticed that before. He had first started harassing Erin using that aol alias. I saved the picture and tried to zoom in and could barely make out lostinessnce on his list. What other names can you make out? Just curious..thanks!

Off topic, but my dd loves MCR too ..lol

[spiderwalk]

very interesting stuff. I noticed the background on his wallpaper was titled "Ghost in the shell 2 by skulz" and did a search on it. I just found this page, but haven't had time to look into it. Looks like he has a skulz55 geocities page too...hmmm...

http://www.geocities.com/skulz55/geek.html

[sociological]

I can't read the text in the picture either- odd, since I have a graphix monitor... anyway, above her name - I can sort of tell where it is- there is the category that he put her name in... my kids have aim and they put thier buddies into categories- ie; guys, girls, church friends, sports people, etc.... - it looks like he has her in a category. Can anyone tell me what that says?

[nibblet]

Can you see the numbers next to Special - does it say (1/1) so that Taylor was the only special one in that group of buddies??

I agree with RugerDog - it is so little to see but is important.

Can anyone see a date? I see a time but with my bad eyes it looks like 7:xx AM. Anyone see it better??

I tried a few ways to enlarge but it becomes very blurry.

Incredible find!!!

[lpzblueyedbaby]

It's really not hard at all to get free versions of PhotoShop. I had PhotoShop CS for free, but I prefer to stick to 7.0...

...Maybe he has WinMx, BearShare or something like that which he downloaded it off of.

[CC81]

from what I can tell:

folder 1: RugRats (0/3)
folder 2: Special (1/1) lostinessence
folder 3: ? ? (0/2)
folder 4: ? gal (1/?) am.ac..loser
folder 5: gays or guys (0/7?)
folder 6: Skulz (2/21) skulznowhere, DarkEvilGothBoy
folder 7: cheap sluts (0/?)
folder 8: Offline (36/40)


the time is either 1:02am or 7:02am

I'm just using regular Kodak imaging to look at the photo... maybe someone out there has better software that can determine a bit more than I can

[SpikeyMikey]

To me...... it looks as if some of the catagories read as:

special
girls
other gal
guys
skulz
cheap_sluts

this is a link to a quick enlarge job i did on it. if you click on the photo after the page loads it should get larger for you to see it a bit better.

Click here for Enlarged B-List (http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3595/buddylist11vu.jpg)

if that doesn't work - try....

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3595/buddylist11vu.jpg

[lpzblueyedbaby]

Yes it's possible to download it off of programs like BearShare if it's saved to a ZIP file. My friend gave me hers that she didn't use though. So maybe his was given to him? [Highly doubt it, but I guess it could be a possibility?] And BearShare is still open, probably not for long though.

[miken1]

Here's something else you guys may find disturbing that I found.

Check out the background image on the computer monitor circled in yellow in this picture from Ben's room:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/M-Street/m_street_desk02skulz_web.jpg

Now, here's a picture of Taylor that Ben took that he thought he deleted off deviantArt:


http://fs6.deviantart.com/i/2005/106/4/d/Taylor_under_a_tree_by_skulz.jpg

[SpikeyMikey]

Whoops I sent that last post without adding this....

Someone asked about the time/date of things. Well according to the EXIF Data of his pic:

File date: 2005:04:09 05:16:29
Date/Time: 2005:04:09 07:04:50

The "file date" is when it was uploaded to photobucket. Note that this time is two behind Eastern time. I check already with a file I just uploaded to make sure.

The "Date/Time" comes from the device which took the pictures. On my digital camera I can set it for whenever I want. It could read 2003:01:16 for all I care.

So from how it looks the photo of his desktop is from Saturday, April 9, 2005. And the time was 7:04AM

If you look at the link below you'll see that his desktop clock was set for 7:02 AM.

Bottom Corner of Desktop (http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/373/desk15fo.jpg)

Okay I need to get some sleep. If there are any probs with the links/photos from my last two posts - let me know.

[lpzblueyedbaby]

The photo bucket image wont load for me..

[miken1]

I was able to enhance the buddy list enough that I figured out the screen name under "Other Gal"....amiableloser, belonging to a girl named Rebecca (who goes by Becca) from Richmond, VA.

I opened up her AIM profile (she's currently signed on) and found a photo album and a link to catch27.com. The Webshots photo album had nothing of interest in it, and non of her friends had anything either....BUT her catch27 profile revealed a couple things of interest. 1) That she is 19....and 2) her fantasy makeout is non other than Johnny Depp. Interesting how the 2 girls signed on AIM on Ben's buddy list both have a thing for Depp. Anyone else seeing a pattern? I'm starting to see one.

Her whole catch27 profile can be viewed here:

http://www.catch27.com/join.php?invite=11740

[zillah]

Yes it's completely possible to download Photoshop (any version) and find a crack over the internet to use it without paying for it. I have a friend who's done it.

[Researcher]

Originally posted by Veracity


TOTALLY OFF TOPIC -

Educate me. How do you get a FREE version of CS? I saw the Image and CS and I know they come as one. IS that also true of the "FREE" versions? :shrug:

NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE HERE, SO PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. DO NOT EDUCATE ANYONE HOW TO DOWNLOAD THIS PROGRAM FOR FREE. IT'S AN AMAZING PROGRAM THAT SOME FOLKS WORKED VERY HARD TO DEVELOP. FREE IS PIRACY, ILLEGAL AND PUNISHABLE BY LAW.

I'M WITH YOU, VERACITY. I PAY LOTS FOR THE RIGHT TO USE VARIOUS SOFTWARES. IT'S WORTH IT..AND IT'S RIGHT.

[Researcher]

Originally posted by Veracity
TOTALLY NOT OFF TOPIC -

What you are saying is Ben probably just stole Photoshop, right?

Well, if that is the case, I hope Adobe or the FBI (since they are part of this task force) is waiting in the wings to get to the bottom of it! I hope Ben is completely sifted.

And now possibly using pirated or illegally obtained software in his unlicensed photography business. HUMMMM. If it ends up he did download Photoshop CS from a file sharing service. Not only will he be in trouble but whomever he got it from!

Amen! And he should also have to repay Social Security (read taxpayers) for all the funds he got. He's so disabled....RIIIIIIGHT!

[nibblet]

Originally posted by miken1
I was able to enhance the buddy list enough that I figured out the screen name under "Other Gal"....amiableloser, belonging to a girl named Rebecca (who goes by Becca) from Richmond, VA.

I opened up her AIM profile (she's currently signed on) and found a photo album and a link to catch27.com. The Webshots photo album had nothing of interest in it, and non of her friends had anything either....BUT her catch27 profile revealed a couple things of interest. 1) That she is 19....and 2) her fantasy makeout is non other than Johnny Depp. Interesting how the 2 girls signed on AIM on Ben's buddy list both have a thing for Depp. Anyone else seeing a pattern? I'm starting to see one.

Her whole catch27 profile can be viewed here:

http://www.catch27.com/join.php?invite=11740

And, she resembles Taylor with the dark eyes and hair - about same height.

[bkqueen]

Originally posted by Researcher


Amen! And he should also have to repay Social Security (read taxpayers) for all the funds he got. He's so disabled....RIIIIIIGHT!

oh wow! you examined him and discovered that eh? Please let us know what else you discovered seeing as how you are in such close contact with him.....

:rolleyes: noone knows who is disabled or not but the person, and their doctors,etc..

Originally posted by miken1
Here's something else you guys may find disturbing that I found.

Check out the background image on the computer monitor circled in yellow in this picture from Ben's room:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/M-Street/m_street_desk02skulz_web.jpg

Now, here's a picture of Taylor that Ben took that he thought he deleted off deviantArt:


http://fs6.deviantart.com/i/2005/106/4/d/Taylor_under_a_tree_by_skulz.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/M-Street/?action=view&current=m_street_desk02skulz_web.jpg
that'll work

that is so creepy

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by Researcher


NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE HERE, SO PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. DO NOT EDUCATE ANYONE HOW TO DOWNLOAD THIS PROGRAM FOR FREE. IT'S AN AMAZING PROGRAM THAT SOME FOLKS WORKED VERY HARD TO DEVELOP. FREE IS PIRACY, ILLEGAL AND PUNISHABLE BY LAW.

I'M WITH YOU, VERACITY. I PAY LOTS FOR THE RIGHT TO USE VARIOUS SOFTWARES. IT'S WORTH IT..AND IT'S RIGHT.

I agree, posting info like this COULD get this board SHUT DOWN!

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by miken1
I was able to enhance the buddy list enough that I figured out the screen name under "Other Gal"....amiableloser, belonging to a girl named Rebecca (who goes by Becca) from Richmond, VA.

I opened up her AIM profile (she's currently signed on) and found a photo album and a link to catch27.com. The Webshots photo album had nothing of interest in it, and non of her friends had anything either....BUT her catch27 profile revealed a couple things of interest. 1) That she is 19....and 2) her fantasy makeout is non other than Johnny Depp. Interesting how the 2 girls signed on AIM on Ben's buddy list both have a thing for Depp. Anyone else seeing a pattern? I'm starting to see one.

Her whole catch27 profile can be viewed here:

http://www.catch27.com/join.php?invite=11740

Oh Miken .... that is good. What a very interesting view into this person. Can you see the danger in posting such a detailed amount of information about yourself? Perhaps there are people who shop the internet for hours and days on end searching for this stuff. I am sure that when this girl met Benny-boy or chatted with him on-line he was everything she ever wanted.

Of course now that I read all there is to know about what she wants from a man ..... it would not be hard to fool her for a few weeks/months.

Word to the wise ...... meet people the old fashion way and get to know them over time, otherwise you may find a crafty, manipulative, pedofile who is highly prepared to play with and fool your youthful insecurities all the way to your death.

Good work Miken! Thank you.

[poplife]

I remember reading something on one of BF's sites (OCD behavior IMO to have so many screennames and multiple sites) about downloading MP3s for free, having xxxxthousand, it was like 10 or 7k? And he was willing to share them w/ all his friends for free.

Considering each download is punishable for up to 120k, he'd be in a boatload of trouble for that alone.

And yes, there are many sites where one could find software for free, or illegally use someone else's if they had the right info.

Here is the blog- http://downloading-p2p.blogspot.com/

[poplife]

One more thing that makes me wonder about the porn- " I have my files on my PC, anyone of my friends can just come over, I give them the password and they are on my network with access to all 8000 of my MP3 files and my 200+ avi files. So they can at any time copy them to their laptop and the MPAA and the RIAA can’t do anything to stop that."

Wonder a) if he was sharing his porn w/ other pedos b) if there is any possibility that it wasn't his, but I know that examination of his hard drive will show when each file was accessed, just wish they'd share that info w/ us! c) who had this password and do they know anything that can help the case that they may have come across on his machine?

Quote is from above link.

[MCRrocksmysocks]

Rugerdog said the tip line should be called about this.... Does anyone else think someone, if not I myself, should at least tell the Richmond police of her screen name on his buddy list under "special", or the fact she was his desktop background as miken1 found.... he sounds like obsessed or stalker-ish. The details seem insignificant to helping the case but maybe they would catch BF in a lie and have these findings to back it up (ie: "I never had much contact with her", etc). What does everyone else think? Too insignificant or vague to report?

[bkqueen]

Maybe someone can explain it better to me..

From wht I understand.. they had a relationship at some point.. at some point he took a screen shot that included his MSN and she was listed.. well if they posted on each others blogs, talked online and were in a sexual relationship(no matter how brief it was) i don't see why this means anything? maybe im missing something...

But theres nothing too little to report of you think you should. The police are going to determine its relevance or not, but if someone feels they should report.. they definately should! :)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MCRrocksmysocks
Rugerdog said the tip line should be called about this.... Does anyone else think someone, if not I myself, should at least tell the Richmond police of her screen name on his buddy list under "special", or the fact she was his desktop background as miken1 found.... he sounds like obsessed or stalker-ish. The details seem insignificant to helping the case but maybe they would catch BF in a lie and have these findings to back it up (ie: "I never had much contact with her", etc). What does everyone else think? Too insignificant or vague to report?

I think you should do whatever you feel. If you let LE know you are a CTV member, who posts on their MB's, they will understand your interest and concern.

If LE can use the info, and it assists them in this case, they will appreciate it, as will Taylor's family. If not, no harm will have been done.

IMO

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by MCRrocksmysocks
While perusing through Fawley's public photo album on photobucket.com, I found something eerie on a screenshot of his computer's desktop.... His AOL instant messenger buddy list isn't minimized, and you can see Taylor's screen name "lostinessence" online, and under its own category on his list, "Special". She must have been on a mobile phone though, considering there is a little blue phone beside her screen name, which is online at the time he captured the screenshot....

http://tinypic.com/ere87t.jpg

If you look really close, you will see it in the top right corner.

Weeeeird.....

It's also creepy he has that map thingy up... is there a date/time on those photo's?

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by RugerDog



You should really consider tipping off Richmond police or FBI about this. If it's not pertinate to the investigation, no harm done.

Trust me, someone has been through ALL the computers, ALL the pictures, including making them bigger to read things and/or finding time/dates on them.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by Veracity
What I want to know is how someone like Ben Fawley could afford Photoshop CS and the like. He supposedly lived on disability right? Claimed he had no money for an attorney.

Yet he has all of this expensive software. Did he get the student versions? I hope the police are looking at his finances. Maybe when someone mentioned a bank safety deposit box for where that camera might be, might be more on target than I originally thought possible.

I have just begun to explore Photoshop CS. Finally got Monaco to help me get everything "thinking on the same page" as far as color management and my hubby rebuilt my computer with a scratch hard drive. I know those software purchases and hardware items are not cheap! When Ben said he was working in Photoshop, I figured it was 5 or 7, not CS! I don't know why but that really irritates me.

A few weeks ago I was not sure how I felt about Ben Fawley. Now with every passing day I grow to detest him more and more. His claims seem so far afield of the truth, imo.

The AOL stuff is completely foreign to me. Would someone explain it to me. Does the screen shot show Taylor was on the line with Ben at some time? I there a way to identify the time and date of the screen shot?

Thanks.

Dissability can pay quite well. He may also have been recieving cash/food stamps from Welfare.

I knew someone on dissability and he got around $1000 a month + food stamps and free medical.

[RugerDog]

Originally posted by MCRrocksmysocks
Rugerdog said the tip line should be called about this.... Does anyone else think someone, if not I myself, should at least tell the Richmond police of her screen name on his buddy list under "special", or the fact she was his desktop background as miken1 found.... he sounds like obsessed or stalker-ish. The details seem insignificant to helping the case but maybe they would catch BF in a lie and have these findings to back it up (ie: "I never had much contact with her", etc). What does everyone else think? Too insignificant or vague to report?

Hi,

If you ever want to report your find, you can submit a tip directly to the FBI via the internet:

https://tips.fbi.gov/

[SpikeyMikey]

Originally posted by PMcOuntry


It's also creepy he has that map thingy up... is there a date/time on those photo's?

hey! :-)

if you look on page 2 of this thread you'll see two posts from me. the 2nd one has the date/time info you are looking for :-)

Originally posted by Veracity
What I want to know is how someone like Ben Fawley could afford Photoshop CS and the like. He supposedly lived on disability right? Claimed he had no money for an attorney.

Yet he has all of this expensive software. Did he get the student versions? I hope the police are looking at his finances. Maybe when someone mentioned a bank safety deposit box for where that camera might be, might be more on target than I originally thought possible.

I have just begun to explore Photoshop CS. Finally got Monaco to help me get everything "thinking on the same page" as far as color management and my hubby rebuilt my computer with a scratch hard drive. I know those software purchases and hardware items are not cheap! When Ben said he was working in Photoshop, I figured it was 5 or 7, not CS! I don't know why but that really irritates me.

A few weeks ago I was not sure how I felt about Ben Fawley. Now with every passing day I grow to detest him more and more. His claims seem so far afield of the truth, imo.

The AOL stuff is completely foreign to me. Would someone explain it to me. Does the screen shot show Taylor was on the line with Ben at some time? I there a way to identify the time and date of the screen shot?

Thanks.

money huh... i bet you ANYTHING he gets girls to buy him stuff... it seems like a lot of younger girls are all obsessed with him (check out all those livejournals) and give him money or buy him stuff all the time. i bet hes all "oohhh im a starving artist, i cant work because im just soooo dedicated to my art blah blah blah". there are soooo many people like that, i bet hes totally one of them.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by SpikeyMikey
Whoops I sent that last post without adding this....

Someone asked about the time/date of things. Well according to the EXIF Data of his pic:

File date: 2005:04:09 05:16:29
Date/Time: 2005:04:09 07:04:50

The "file date" is when it was uploaded to photobucket. Note that this time is two behind Eastern time. I check already with a file I just uploaded to make sure.

The "Date/Time" comes from the device which took the pictures. On my digital camera I can set it for whenever I want. It could read 2003:01:16 for all I care.

So from how it looks the photo of his desktop is from Saturday, April 9, 2005. And the time was 7:04AM

If you look at the link below you'll see that his desktop clock was set for 7:02 AM.



Thanks SpikeyMikey - if the screen shot was made on April 9, this is in the timeframe they had their "encounter" - so he made her the one and only "SPECIAL" on his buddy list.

Wonder who had the honor of being under cheap_sluts....:eek:

[SpikeyMikey]

Oh you are very welcome Nibblet. I tend to ramble sometimes when I get something on my mind like this case so some of my posts can be a bit long haha. Either way I'm glad you found something I wrote interesting. :-)

I totally agree - I wonder who was under his "cheap sluts" folder.

The person that is of real interest to me on his list is "Becca" - a girl that Miken1 found some info on.

BF had Becca listed under "Other Gal" which was directly below "Special" which we all know Taylor was in. I wonder what contact, if any, she has had with him.

There are so many dif names its tough to keep up sometimes.

[bkqueen]

cheap_sluts could have just been a nickname.. *shrugs* but it is curious..

I have a few folders on my trillian.. "fu******ers"(for my hometown friends) and one that is now entitled "mmmmoiven hhhhhhoiven go africa!" for my travelling group but used to be called "mass suicide" from an inside joke we all shared.. im sure someone coming across that without knowing us would have been totally weirded out, or creeped..

[Researcher]

Originally posted by MCRrocksmysocks
While perusing through Fawley's public photo album on photobucket.com, I found something eerie on a screenshot of his computer's desktop.... His AOL instant messenger buddy list isn't minimized, and you can see Taylor's screen name "lostinessence" online, and under its own category on his list, "Special". She must have been on a mobile phone though, considering there is a little blue phone beside her screen name, which is online at the time he captured the screenshot....

http://tinypic.com/ere87t.jpg

If you look really close, you will see it in the top right corner.

Weeeeird.....

Damn, MCRrocksmysocks! I HATE that creepy photo! Had to go look it up. The image is from the movie (based on an anime or manga comic) "Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence". The image and its title become even creepier when you read the storyline: "Tagline: When machines learn to feel, who decides what is human...Plot Outline: In the year 2032, Batô, a cyborg detective for the anti-terrorist unit Public Security Section 9, investigates the case of a female robot--one created solely for sexual pleasure--who slaughtered her owner. Plot Synopsis: Batô is a living cyborg. His whole body, even his arms and legs, are entirely man-made. What only remains are traces of his brain and the memories of a woman. In an era when the boundary between humans and machines has become infinitely vague, Humans have forgotten that they are humans. This is the debauchery of the lonesome ghost of a man, who nevertheless seeks to retain humanity. Innocence... Is what life is." That last line is stunning: you or I read "innocence" and see Taylor; but it is likely that Fawley saw himself as "innocence"...and certainly failed to see the stark and horrible truth of this: "This is the debauchery of the lonesome ghost of a man".
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006A9FMI/103-8391213-7195855?v=glance&n=130&v=glance

[nibblet]

Placing Taylor's lostinessence name under Special keeps me thinking.

The screen shot supposedly was taken the morning of April 9. The post between BF and Taylor alluding to their intimate encounter apparently took place the night before:

2005-04-08 04:07
[Skulz67]...This very attractive girl climbed up into my bunk @ 407, the last girl to do so before the move.......

[tiabliaj] well I was curious

[Skulz67] ...so was I...fact I still am.... :-p


Using the name "Special" signifies to me, at least that BF had further interest in exploring something with Taylor. After all, he could have just as easily placed her name under the "cheap_sluts" category (shows you what he thinks of females) but he didn't.

What do you think??

[MCRrocksmysocks]

If I didn't know better I'd say he was stalking her.... but apparently her consent was given to some of his company... though who knows if she wanted it after April 05.... it's funny, without BF's online presence and involvement this case would be much weaker....

[somechick]

it's not surprising to me that fawley would have bootleg copies of photoshop and other programs. he wouldn't need the girls in life to buy them for him either. he spent a lot of time on his computer. he mentions fixing his friends computers for free. not to mention, having bootleg copies to share is a good way to make friends on a college campus. i don't know anyone, particularly the typical college student, who has computers on which everything is completely legit.

Interesting find on the "special" category for taylor.

has anyone posted anything about becca? she looks very familiar to me like maybe she and i had the same class once. anyway it occured to me that she may be select choice... is that possible? has anyone else thought that?

[emmeblu]

Originally posted by nibblet


And, she resembles Taylor with the dark eyes and hair - about same height.

That part also about: Fantasy Make-out, Johnny Depp.
Someone else mentioned that BF looks a bit like Johnny Depp.

Ben F is a total FREAK!! Bad News all the way around!

[TN_Profiler]

Has it been clearly defined when Taylor and Ben first communicated? I was under the impression that they met at VCU but that doesn't mean they did not communicate via IM or other electronic means. Why would he already have her on his buddy list if they just met? Am I just missing the timeline on this?

Please help?

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by PMcOuntry


Dissability can pay quite well. He may also have been recieving cash/food stamps from Welfare.

I knew someone on dissability and he got around $1000 a month + food stamps and free medical.

"pay quite well" ??? Hate to have to put on my accountant/finance hat but I will have to disagree with this. Since when is $12,000 a year sufficient income to have $15,000 (or more) worth of computers and cameras?

Unless he had other means of income I can assure you that he was either in debt or had other sources of revenue. 10 hard drives, multiple computers, cameras, wireless set-up, surveillence cameras and monitors, monthly high speed internet access etc.. isn't coming from his disability payments. He also had living expenses, utilities, food, 2 children, etc...... This was not happening on $250 a week.

Dollars to donuts says Benny-boy had other revenue streams. At this point, forensic accountants have already climbed through his financial life for the past 3 years. It is VERY easy to determine if someone is living beyond their reported means.

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
Has it been clearly defined when Taylor and Ben first communicated? I was under the impression that they met at VCU but that doesn't mean they did not communicate via IM or other electronic means. Why would he already have her on his buddy list if they just met? Am I just missing the timeline on this?

Please help?

Good question! I was under the impression that they met when she went to visit in April. I assume they IMed, etc. after that point.

[TN_Profiler]

If the time on his screen is correct, that means she is IM'ing him during her visit to VCU. That is really strange because she was staying in the same apartment???

Assuming they first met in person in April I would then surmize they were communicating BEFORE she went to visit VCU.

Can someone please straighten me out with this? Or does this also seem odd?

:shrug:

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
If the time on his screen is correct, that means she is IM'ing him during her visit to VCU. That is really strange because she was staying in the same apartment???

Assuming they first met in person in April I would then surmize they were communicating BEFORE she went to visit VCU.

Can someone please straighten me out with this? Or does this also seem odd?

:shrug:

I'm not sure I'd say they were communicating before she went to visit VCU, but I don't want to be quoted on it.

I remember when I went to look at a school in Virginia - my male cousin was a student at Tech, and I went over and stayed with them. I'd never met or spoken with his roommate prior to then. So I don't think it would be weird either way.

With the internet - Cino could have "cyber" introduced them prior to the visit OR not. Either way, I understand.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
If the time on his screen is correct, that means she is IM'ing him during her visit to VCU. That is really strange because she was staying in the same apartment???

Assuming they first met in person in April I would then surmize they were communicating BEFORE she went to visit VCU.

Can someone please straighten me out with this? Or does this also seem odd?

:shrug:

BF and Taylor first met in February 2005 when she went to Richmond to visit her friend Cino. Cino introduced BF and Taylor during that visit. Taylor returned to Richmond in April, which is when BF photographed her. In his LJ, BF referred to her visit and his having photographed her (at Belle Isle I believe) with something along the lines of "I wanted to try something with T but she looked cold".

[Shezzie]

I'd like to point out that just because she was showing up on his buddy list does not mean they were IMming at the particular point in time. I know alot of people who just leave their AIM on and forward it to their cell phones when they are away from their computers.

So maybe they exchanged screennames while she was visiting and she was just the type to leave her AIM on all the time.

[PMcOuntry]

I wonder when the pic was taken, could it have been when they were "seeing each other", hence she was "special" to him at that time? Or was it just before her dissapearance?

When I went to the skulz55 page, I went into his guestbook, and found another site,

www.linenowhere.orgfree.com (http://www.linenowhere.orgfree.com)

If you scroll down to about midpage, he talks of selling off KJ's porn. "I have a ton, literally a ton of porn left by KJ"

Thought that was interesting.

JMO

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by ANGELS03
When I went to the skulz55 page, I went into his guestbook, and found another site,

www.linenowhere.orgfree.com (http://www.linenowhere.orgfree.com)

If you scroll down to about midpage, he talks of selling off KJ's porn. "I have a ton, literally a ton of porn left by KJ"

Thought that was interesting.

JMO

There goes his whole "It's not my porn ...... I'm holding it for a friend." story. If your neighbor left you 20lbs of cocaine and you decided to cut it up and sell it off ...... guess what? You are just as much of a drug dealer as he was.

Is it me or did this guy put an overwhelming amount of time into his sites (linenowhere) and keep a rather detailed log of his every move? For a guy who portrays himself as having a bad memory he sure comes up with mountains of detail when he wants too.

Actually, if you ask me, he is rather meticulous about posting every little detail. IMO, his life was the internet, and the people in his life were "collateral" if you get what I mean. He seems to have lived his life right there on the web. How sad, and scary is that? For the internet to actually be your world, and real life just the background noise. {shudders} Creepy.

[Shezzie]

I also find it very creepy. How many pictures of one vehicle does a person need to take? I mean I have pictures of practically every car I've owned but not that many!!

And does anyone else find it odd that he continually give out his address? I could see referring to a street or a town but he gives his exact address in quite a few of his posts.

I know it's probably unfair to think this but I wonder if this is the first time Benny boy has accidentally killed someone? I only wonder because 1. Those boxes on top of the van remind of of coffins. 2. he travels an awful lot for someone of "limited means" 3. He kept that van filled with stuff he "might need" for a raod trip.

I don't remember his exact words but it kind of made it sound like it was stocked with things he might need in case he had to go with no time to pack. I could be looking too much into this but hey this board is for opinions and theories right?

Also (once again maybe looking too far in) I find it very coincidental that a girl went missing from a bar in Ohio and was found pretty much the same way as Taylor. And there were Ohio plates on here car. (I know they were reported stolen earlier by a VA resident) It's just way too much coincidence for me to swallow. That goes for the whole case too... the burglaries, where the car was found, where taylor usually parked it.... etc, etc.

Anyway I went off rambling....

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by Shezzie
...

I know it's probably unfair to think this but I wonder if this is the first time Benny boy has accidentally killed someone? I only wonder because 1. Those boxes on top of the van remind of of coffins. 2. he travels an awful lot for someone of "limited means" 3. He kept that van filled with stuff he "might need" for a raod trip.

I don't remember his exact words but it kind of made it sound like it was stocked with things he might need in case he had to go with no time to pack. I could be looking too much into this but hey this board is for opinions and theories right?

Also (once again maybe looking too far in) I find it very coincidental that a girl went missing from a bar in Ohio and was found pretty much the same way as Taylor. And there were Ohio plates on here car. (I know they were reported stolen earlier by a VA resident) It's just way too much coincidence for me to swallow. That goes for the whole case too... the burglaries, where the car was found, where taylor usually parked it.... etc, etc.

Anyway I went off rambling....

Don't forget to add "4." In one of the van pictures, he says he's just covered the windows to "keep things private".

[TN_Profiler]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shezzie
[B]

I know it's probably unfair to think this but I wonder if this is the first time Benny boy has accidentally killed someone? I only wonder because 1. Those boxes on top of the van remind of of coffins. 2. he travels an awful lot for someone of "limited means"

I don't remember his exact words but it kind of made it sound like it was stocked with things he might need in case he had to go with no time to pack. I could be looking too much into this but hey this board is for opinions and theories right?

Also (once again maybe looking too far in) I find it very coincidental that a girl went missing from a bar in Ohio and was found pretty much the same way as Taylor. And there were Ohio plates on here car.

Shezzie - I loved the way you refer to BF as "Benny-boy". It is something I have done from day 1. Us New Yorkers really stick together!

I too wonder whether this was the first time someone died in the hands of Benny-boy. His ice cold demeanor in the days and weeks after Taylor was killed is what makes me think he can compartmentalize his actions so well that it doesn't interfere with his daily life.

Just think of how you would react if you had accidently killed your significant other or someone you cared about. How would you react in the days and weeks after? Would you be standing on the street handing out flyers acting like you are a concerned and good samaritan? Would you spend countless hours on the internet griping about your former stripper girlfriend (Erin)?

It is his behavior after the fact that is so telling to me. Cold hearted, conniving, manipulative, detached, and completely dishonest. BTK was very good at living a day to day life after killling innocent people. Scott Peterson was having no problem moving forward. Benny-boys behavior makes me think his past needs to be examined a whole lot closer. Hmmmm.

The darkside blog said yesterday that most of his computers were "clunkers" and after looking at the photos BF posted of them on his skulz site, I agree.
They don't seem to be worth $15,000.
He would be lucky to get 30 bucks for that imac.
Originally posted by TN_Profiler


"pay quite well" ??? Hate to have to put on my accountant/finance hat but I will have to disagree with this. Since when is $12,000 a year sufficient income to have $15,000 (or more) worth of computers and cameras?

Unless he had other means of income I can assure you that he was either in debt or had other sources of revenue. 10 hard drives, multiple computers, cameras, wireless set-up, surveillence cameras and monitors, monthly high speed internet access etc.. isn't coming from his disability payments. He also had living expenses, utilities, food, 2 children, etc...... This was not happening on $250 a week.

Dollars to donuts says Benny-boy had other revenue streams. At this point, forensic accountants have already climbed through his financial life for the past 3 years. It is VERY easy to determine if someone is living beyond their reported means.

[Shezzie]

Originally posted by catzilla
The darkside blog said yesterday that most of his computers were "clunkers" and after looking at the photos BF posted of them on his skulz site, I agree.
They don't seem to be worth $15,000.
He would be lucky to get 30 bucks for that imac.


The only thing I would have to say to counter that is they must have been fairly decent to handle all those pictures and uploading and photoshop cs. JMO of course.

[sociological]

i have teenagers, and I keep fairly on top of their internet activity- more than they know actually- and when the little phone icon is next to a poster's name, it means they have thier cell on and you can text the cell through the aim. Lots of kids are online 24-7- they are either "at thier computer and accepting messages" or they are "away" and leave a message up- or they have the ability to be "away" with their cell phone able to accept messages.

In that picture- it would mean that Taylor was away and had her cell activated to accept messages, which is a setting she could have had permanently activated when she was out of town. Whenever anyone who had her screenname saved to thier aim account was signed on, her name would appear in the window as online, with a little phone icon.

I hope that is helpful.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by sociological
i have teenagers, and I keep fairly on top of their internet activity- more than they know actually- and when the little phone icon is next to a poster's name, it means they have thier cell on and you can text the cell through the aim. Lots of kids are online 24-7- they are either "at thier computer and accepting messages" or they are "away" and leave a message up- or they have the ability to be "away" with their cell phone able to accept messages.

In that picture- it would mean that Taylor was away and had her cell activated to accept messages, which is a setting she could have had permanently activated when she was out of town. Whenever anyone who had her screenname saved to thier aim account was signed on, her name would appear in the window as online, with a little phone icon.

I hope that is helpful.

Thank you. Very helpful. I may pass this info along to my sister who has kids (one's a teenager). She and her husband are very good about keeping up with their kids, but, like so many other parents, they're so busy that they might know the "ins-and-outs" or the cell-phone/computer/telecommunications stuff.

[memap1965]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shezzie
[B]

I know it's probably unfair to think this but I wonder if this is the first time Benny boy has accidentally killed someone? I only wonder because 1. Those boxes on top of the van remind of of coffins. 2. he travels an awful lot for someone of "limited means"

I don't remember his exact words but it kind of made it sound like it was stocked with things he might need in case he had to go with no time to pack. I could be looking too much into this but hey this board is for opinions and theories right?

Also (once again maybe looking too far in) I find it very coincidental that a girl went missing from a bar in Ohio and was found pretty much the same way as Taylor. And there were Ohio plates on here car.

Shezzie - I loved the way you refer to BF as "Benny-boy". It is something I have done from day 1. Us New Yorkers really stick together!

I too wonder whether this was the first time someone died in the hands of Benny-boy. His ice cold demeanor in the days and weeks after Taylor was killed is what makes me think he can compartmentalize his actions so well that it doesn't interfere with his daily life.

Just think of how you would react if you had accidently killed your significant other or someone you cared about. How would you react in the days and weeks after? Would you be standing on the street handing out flyers acting like you are a concerned and good samaritan? Would you spend countless hours on the internet griping about your former stripper girlfriend (Erin)?

It is his behavior after the fact that is so telling to me. Cold hearted, conniving, manipulative, detached, and completely dishonest. BTK was very good at living a day to day life after killling innocent people. Scott Peterson was having no problem moving forward. Benny-boys behavior makes me think his past needs to be examined a whole lot closer. Hmmmm.

I agree!!! I know this was brought up in another thread, don't know which one, though. But, it was never elaborated upon. JMO....he seems to me as if he didn't care that he even committed a crime. Maybe in his mind, he didn't. Creepy dude!

[Researcher]

Originally posted by ANGELS03
When I went to the skulz55 page, I went into his guestbook, and found another site,

www.linenowhere.orgfree.com (http://www.linenowhere.orgfree.com)

If you scroll down to about midpage, he talks of selling off KJ's porn. "I have a ton, literally a ton of porn left by KJ"

Thought that was interesting.

JMO

Anyone know who "KJ" is?

[southernbelle73]

Originally posted by Researcher


Anyone know who "KJ" is?




I have read in the blog of someone that knows Ben (sorry it all runs together now and I can not remember who the blog belonged to) that the porn that the police found belonged to the guy that lived in the apartment before Ben. It seems that the man died and Ben got the apartment, from what I understand, with the intention of cleaning the place out instead of paying rent. That person's blog explained that was where the clothes that were found in the trash came from, too. Said that they belonged to the guy that lived there, before Ben, that died. Now that I think about it, I think it might have been one of Hildy's explainations for the things that were found in Ben's appartment and were recorded on the search warrant. But I don't know if KJ was the man's initials that died or not, but I am assuming it was because of the blog stating that the porn belonged to the man that used to live in the apartment, that had died.

But Ben was still selling KJ's porn, so as far as I am concerned, it was his along with probably whatever else he wanted that was left in the apartment. JMO

[spiderwalk]

Now I am confused. I read where BF was selling stuff he gathered while cleaning out an apartmant where this "Black17" had died and left behind a lot of porn and misc. The link to the below quote is found here: http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=skulz67

C:= July & August of 2005 has me finding a home for the estate of Black17. This collector of DVD's and videos left a very large collection that most didn't even want to deal with. So being the local "Goth" the job fell on me. You know the deal, us creepy “Goths” don't mind cleaning up after the dead. C;=

..now, I also read somewhere on here that this black17 had supposedly posted a comment on website or blog for BF AFTER he was already deemed dead by BF. Are you following me so far? I think BF just made up the whole story for the sake of selling stuff and that BF was actually black17.

And then there is this about black17 on Riehl World View:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/09/ben_fawley_not_.html

Oh my, the confusion of trying to figure this demon of a man out!

[spiderwalk]

I hope it's ok to post what I found on another message board while searching for information on black17. This was posted by "Louisaman" and apparently he knows the owner of the apartment building BF lived in, black17 and other useful information. I am not sure if we are allowed to link to other message boards here so I copied and pasted.

"Guns,porn,and apartment.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Let me see (being a first post ) how much I can fit in for the exceptional sleuths.

I have known the landlord at hancock st for almost 6 years. He had moved out here to Louisa full time almost 2 years ago.

It was the property he sold out here ( a quarry which consisted of 30 acres with a 6 acre pond).

That is the place the FBI drove out to look around at. (little did they know at the time it eas 60 miles the other way)

Sam became tired of the isolation and put the land for sale in april/may.

He had an auction of his tools and belongings scheduled for June 25.

On June 17th he stopped by with some videos. His tenant ( I guess you mean black17) had died from illness.

He didn't look forward to cleaning up the apartment mess, but apparently the tenant and farley were familiar with each other.

The tenant was homosexual and had a boyfriend ( this might come out later in discovery) He is the one that had all the kiddie porn on his computer and the videos.
Farley showed up and offered to clean the apartment , but somehow ended up moving in that same week. Instead of throwing all the porn and stuff out, he kept the guys computers and the videos...

Now Sam's auction was the 25th June and he needed to move some items from the quarry to the apartments. I helped him on the 22nd which is when I got shocked with some unusual events.

Sam was scheduled to go to China for maybe a year on July 11th and told me he was leaving the apartment rent collections to...farley. If anything happend to him in China or asia the apartment houses were going to ... farley. unreal.
But he said he knew him before as a former tenant and felt he had changed for the better. huh?
When I went through the archives of pictures I had set up for him and after reading some of these threads I realized there was a pic of "the van" from 2001? http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_sa...rrest/my_photos

Well needless to say, I had the opportunity to get the tour of the "infamous apartment" because sam felt he should introduce me to the new tenant who will be taking care of his place while he was gone in case I had to come by . huh?

The place was a wreck. The health department or building inspector would have called it a fire trap. There was no room but a couple small aisles to walk through amongst the crap. He showed me his camera that he recommended sam get one for his trip. It used double aa batteries and held 500 pics on a card. It had a great zoom and I didn't see this camera in the warrant.
He showed me his othe room which had all the computers on this wall of shelves. All seemed to be online and 2 seemed to be mainly for gaming. I knew sam only had one phone line to each apartment so I am guessing he was into the VCU wireless since it was only a block away.

He was boasting about his business of nude modeling that he was into and the odd kinky plans he had. I just at the time didn't think to pay much attention. He was also telling sam of some fight that he got into and how he might need a gun. Again I wasn't really paying any mind.

After that Sam went to China July 11 with ...farley in charge of the apartments.

I then read about sam in the richmond style weekly having to come back too soon from his year long trip. He got turned around at Kazakhstan for some visa requirement , got disgusted and flew back to richmond aug 8 to the 15.


It was the day that farley got the apartment searched on TV and I recognized the building that I followed with interest again.

Sam had a couple guns missing and he indicated to me last week , he thought the tenant he evicted from the apartment might have taken them. I haven't yet asked him about these guns that turned up.

We knew the porn and the computer was from the old guy that died but farley was trying to find a buyer for the stuff since sam says it seemed a waste to farley to just throw it out. (Thank goodness he kept it so the authorities had something to bring him in on)
He was ready to run, I got that impression from my last converstaion with sam.

Now when I visited him last week there was this "young" little vcu girl that came to check farley's mail. She has his credit card and your tax money on his ssi apparently paid the rent. I also wonder if she has any other items.

He had no roommates legitimately because sam only rented the apt to him. Whoever came over to visit he couldn't say.


I hope I filled in something, I also forgot to ask sam if he changed his will again.

I think his apartment left many evidentary clues not in the grapevine yet that will reveal what happened..... Hope they don't bill sam for all the clean vacuuming they did. "

Another Post...

"http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/mr_sa...rrest/my_photos
This link is to the pictures I archived for the landlord. It's the miscellaneous pictures I obtained and scanned that were marked for 2001 that I added to his collection. Which coincidently had the van I kept reading about.
The FBI did come to my house and inquire about the pics and any other pics I would recognize like that erin girl did.... I didn't know anywhere but this area.
I did however scold the agents for not checking the other 97 acres of isolate land next to the quarry that they looked around. (If I was farley, who is being described to me now as a calculating intelligent criminal ...huh? )
So the mirror situation happened 60 miles east of richmond, not on erins land but in a more desolate area nearby.

The reason I mentioned black17 whom others were posting about, is since he died around JUNE 17 and people were posting on threads about the guy posting later. It seems to me that ..farley must have been doing that with his computer that the guy left when he died.
I think 99% possession is the law, but the cc might have intended the deceased gay man's boyfriend to testify in the future that the porn and computer belonged to the dead man...
I am still curious as to whether the guns belonged to the landlord while he thought they were stolen by some other tenant.
Which leaves the murder which I feel this guy perped.(those vacuum bags have all the clues whether it was in the apt) and whether the other young groupie with his credit card and key to the apartment has anything else of value to the case."

[memap1965]

Wow! Thanks for sharing that with us. Very interesting!

[Shezzie]

Does anyone know how long benny-boy lived in this apartment before the police started looking at him?

Once again I find it highly coincidental that when the police start looking at him is when he decides "Gee I really should throw this guy's stuff out"

[bleibtreu]

Originally posted by spiderwalk
Now when I visited him last week there was this "young" little vcu girl that came to check farley's mail. She has his credit card and your tax money on his ssi apparently paid the rent. I also wonder if she has any other items.

[...]

and whether the other young groupie with his credit card and key to the apartment has anything else of value to the case." This would most likely be Katie (http://www.livejournal.com/users/hildybrant/), who has written about having been to his apartment to clean, etc., since BF's arrest. If so, the police have certainly talked to her about whether she "has anything else of value to the case," and according to her they already have several items of hers that were in the apartment including her laptop and cell phone.

[PMcOuntry]

Very interesting... we know then it wasn't his porn, but it my mind, guess what, he kept it so... it became his porn, and he wanted to make money off of kiddie porn!

I think this guy should have had his name straight by now though, w/his name all over the media. I had to keep reminding myself that "farley" was "fawley".

[bleibtreu]

Originally posted by PMcOuntry
Very interesting... we know then it wasn't his porn, but it my mind, guess what, he kept it so... it became his porn, and he wanted to make money off of kiddie porn! We don't know that. While he was trying to sell at least some of what he "inherited," let's face it the market for that particular part of the collection is a small one and an exclusive one. It's not something that can be sold on ebay, for example. We don't actually know that he tried to sell it (Or do we? Perhaps I missed evidence of that).

Still there's no doubt in my mind that if I were in that position and found child pornography among even the belongings of someone who had died, my first reaction would be to call the police. With the hope that at least the following investigation could find where it came from and who was responsible for delivering if not producing it. But I suppose if I were an ex-con I might be a little more hesitant to bring police to my home than I am being who I am. Still, unforgiveable in my book.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by bleibtreu
We don't know that. While he was trying to sell at least some of what he "inherited," let's face it the market for that particular part of the collection is a small one and an exclusive one. It's not something that can be sold on ebay, for example. We don't actually know that he tried to sell it (Or do we? Perhaps I missed evidence of that).

Still there's no doubt in my mind that if I were in that position and found child pornography among even the belongings of someone who had died, my first reaction would be to call the police. With the hope that at least the following investigation could find where it came from and who was responsible for delivering if not producing it. But I suppose if I were an ex-con I might be a little more hesitant to bring police to my home than I am being who I am. Still, unforgiveable in my book.

Benny-boy has done himself in (again) with his long winded commentary in his journals. He states that he was selling the porn he inherited in his lj.

I've said this before and I will say it again ..... IF your friend dies and leaves you with 20lbs of cocaine ... AND you decide to cut it up and sell it ..... you are now a drug dealer. For Benny-boy to identify the items as porn (which he did) and sell them, he is now the person who owns the porn. In a court of law that makes him responsible for it 100 times out of 100. "I'm holding it for a friend" may work with your parents but it certainly does not work in a courtroom. "Intent" is the measuring stick and Benny-boy (by his own admission) was intending on selling child pornography.
:no:

[bleibtreu]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
Benny-boy has done himself in (again) with his long winded commentary in his journals. He states that he was selling the porn he inherited in his lj.

[...]

Benny-boy (by his own admission) was intending on selling child pornography.
He states he was selling porn he inherited. Presumably not everything that was left behind, though, was child pornography, and he didn't specify that he was selling child porn. I'm not defending him at all, just trying to keep some speculation from going too far from known facts -- as I said, as far as I'm concerned the fact that didn't turn it in, or at the very least immediately destroy it, makes the possession charges deserved and appropriate. I haven't, however, seen any basis for charges of the sale of child pornography.

[TN_Profiler]

If Benny-boy was an innocent bystander with the pornography, his attorney would have him walking the streets right now.

Given his history (nude photos, bondage conventions, porn girlfriend) I doubt he was going to call the police to report such an item. I also doubt he would have not been aware that the materials existed. (i.e. were in his possession)

We shall see. I am not holding my breath expecting the porn charges to be dropped though.

[bleibtreu]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
I am not holding my breath expecting the porn charges to be dropped though. Nor am I. And I don't think they should be. But that doesn't change the point: he's been charged with possession, not sale.

[c_biscuit]

Originally posted by spiderwalk
very interesting stuff. I noticed the background on his wallpaper was titled "Ghost in the shell 2 by skulz" and did a search on it. I just found this page, but haven't had time to look into it. Looks like he has a skulz55 geocities page too...hmmm...

http://www.geocities.com/skulz55/geek.html

Ghost in the Shell is an anime (japanese cartoon) show. I'm not sure why he named it after that or if it has another meaning.

[c_biscuit]

Oh I see now that question was answered earlier. :seeya: