Jesse Shultz NOT A Suspect

[PMcOuntry]

Just saw a bit ago on MSNBC that Jesse is NOT a suspect "at this time".

They said he NEVER worked at the Cafe, he did not know "Skulz" or Taylor, was never introduced to Taylor and was NOT a skateboarder! He used to skateboard when he was in High School, but gave it up a few years ago and DOES NOT own one!

The part about the poloygraph was that it "APPEARED" that he lied on 2 questions, but the polygrapher was NOT certain.

[Hey Paula]

Thanks for posting!

From what I've learned and pieced together thus far, it appears that BF killed Taylor, perhaps because she was ending her relationship with him. I believe he acted alone.

I think BF took this as rejection, and knowing that he skips his meds, due to their sexual side effects, was perhaps in his rage stage and planned Taylor's demise.

Skulz appears to be an obsessive personality, as evidence by his writings, and bash website in honor of Erin Crabill/AKA Isolbel Wren. He never got over those feelings of unrequited love.

IMO

[lpzblueyedbaby]

Hate me or Not. I know Jesse Schultz. He and I have been friends for about 2 years. Give or take a month or two. To my knowledge Jesse hardly ever skates, Maybe if a friend of his is near skating he may try. He use to be into it but things changed. Jesse works at a BBQ shop that his Uncle I believe owns..I'm not positive the name of it, or if it's his uncle. I know it's one of his relatives. I've talked to him since everything, and he told me it wasn't even his cocaine residue. But I doubt there's much he can do about it now. I also asked him, If he knew any of the ones involved at all in the case, and his answer was no. He had no clue who Taylor was until all this happened. He went to court yesterday, I believe it was for the charges with the Cocaine Residue to find out his actual court date. Being the friend I am, I've been talking to him throughout this whole situation he was brought into...By a dog.

And for those confusing Jesse with all the other "skaters", I believe they were saying it was Jesses room mate [They were saying a male] that owned the Gold car...I've ownly known Jesse to have female room mates. Whom I am also friends with, because my brothers girlfriends sister was one of them. But before they were room mates he and his mother were in an apartment together. Later him, and the 2 females moved in together and they became evicted months later. So no, it wasn't his room mates car, it was one of the other guys' room mates.

That's just some information...I know most of it's useless, but to others confused it could help.

This has been an awful tragedy, but Taylor is now in a better place. And the person[s] behind all of this will pay for their cruel acts. No, I didn't know Taylor, But I feel as if I did. And I know the pain that her friends are feeling, because I just lost 2 of my friends August 26th[ RIP Christopher and Bobby] Yes, it was VERY different circumstances, but still at the fault of another. I cant even imagine the pain the family is going through. It's a tough time, and my heart goes out to each and every person whom Taylor touched in any way possible.

[Rayny]

Originally posted by lpzblueyedbaby
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Being the friend I am, I've been talking to him throughout this whole situation he was brought into...By a dog.



Thanks for the post. I'm so sorry for what your friend is having to go through. I have followed so many cases and the public always wants to believe that what a dog scents on is accurate, but I could cite you case after case where the information was faulty. I'm certainly not suggesting that dogs have never played a vital role, but from what I've seen, it's been the exception rather than the rule.

Let your friend know we're all thinking about him and praying for him.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by lpzblueyedbaby
Hate me or Not. I know Jesse Schultz. He and I have been friends for about 2 years. Give or take a month or two. To my knowledge Jesse hardly ever skates, Maybe if a friend of his is near skating he may try. He use to be into it but things changed. Jesse works at a BBQ shop that his Uncle I believe owns..I'm not positive the name of it, or if it's his uncle. I know it's one of his relatives. I've talked to him since everything, and he told me it wasn't even his cocaine residue. But I doubt there's much he can do about it now. I also asked him, If he knew any of the ones involved at all in the case, and his answer was no. He had no clue who Taylor was until all this happened. He went to court yesterday, I believe it was for the charges with the Cocaine Residue to find out his actual court date. Being the friend I am, I've been talking to him throughout this whole situation he was brought into...By a dog.

And for those confusing Jesse with all the other "skaters", I believe they were saying it was Jesses room mate [They were saying a male] that owned the Gold car...I've ownly known Jesse to have female room mates. Whom I am also friends with, because my brothers girlfriends sister was one of them. But before they were room mates he and his mother were in an apartment together. Later him, and the 2 females moved in together and they became evicted months later. So no, it wasn't his room mates car, it was one of the other guys' room mates.

That's just some information...I know most of it's useless, but to others confused it could help.

This has been an awful tragedy, but Taylor is now in a better place. And the person[s] behind all of this will pay for their cruel acts. No, I didn't know Taylor, But I feel as if I did. And I know the pain that her friends are feeling, because I just lost 2 of my friends August 26th[ RIP Christopher and Bobby] Yes, it was VERY different circumstances, but still at the fault of another. I cant even imagine the pain the family is going through. It's a tough time, and my heart goes out to each and every person whom Taylor touched in any way possible.

I was very surprised they thought this was a "conspiracy" thing anyhow, I always believed one person was at fault for her dissapearance and now, sadly, her demise. I just read in our local paper, 2 brothers were killed in 1 car crash, the other brother remains in critical condition in the hospital. No matter how someone is killed, it is still sad. They had just graduated high school in this area and were on their way to college. Thanks for posting.

[PMcOuntry]

One other note, the dogs stopped at a house w/dogs, correct. K-9's, although great at their jobs, are still dogs.

How do they prove that it was a persons scent the dogs picked up and not something that was on someone in her car, that was also in that house, ie perfume, cologne, etc.

[lpzblueyedbaby]

I don't believe it was Jesse's scent at all that they picked up on. I mean look at it from this point:

A.) They are dogs, I know my dogs when they smell another dog they go crazy and straight to where the other is.

B.) They sat out at Taylors car for 12 hours straight, do you not think the dogs were hungry? Seeing how Jesse works at a BBQ place, and his Uncle [I belive, could be wrong so don't hold me to it please] Owns it, Don't you think they dog would smell that food, and go there trying to get it? I know I wouldn't go no 12 hours without food and then try not to get any.

But of course, it could be a break in the investigation, so they have every right to go with it. I'm not saying they are doing wrong at all. But I do believe Jesse is innocent. And I will make sure he knows he is in your prayers.

And PM, I know the pain. August 26th 2005 two of my friends were killed in a car crash. They were only 17. One had graduated and the other was about to start his Senior year. It's horrible. And I hope that the person who hit them gets what she deserves as well as the one who took the life of Taylor. It's so sad, so horrible, how the innocent always are the ones taken.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by lpzblueyedbaby
I don't believe it was Jesse's scent at all that they picked up on. I mean look at it from this point:

A.) They are dogs, I know my dogs when they smell another dog they go crazy and straight to where the other is.

B.) They sat out at Taylors car for 12 hours straight, do you not think the dogs were hungry? Seeing how Jesse works at a BBQ place, and his Uncle [I belive, could be wrong so don't hold me to it please] Owns it, Don't you think they dog would smell that food, and go there trying to get it? I know I wouldn't go no 12 hours without food and then try not to get any.

But of course, it could be a break in the investigation, so they have every right to go with it. I'm not saying they are doing wrong at all. But I do believe Jesse is innocent. And I will make sure he knows he is in your prayers.

And PM, I know the pain. August 26th 2005 two of my friends were killed in a car crash. They were only 17. One had graduated and the other was about to start his Senior year. It's horrible. And I hope that the person who hit them gets what she deserves as well as the one who took the life of Taylor. It's so sad, so horrible, how the innocent always are the ones taken.

I didn't know the teens here in the car crash, but I did read about it, and felt horrible for the parents who lost 2 children and may a 3rd, it's very sad.

I am told K-9's are supposed to be trained not to go after another dogs scent, etc. but like I said, they aren't foolproof and who knows what scent they picked up on in that car, maybe someone in the car wore the same perfume as did someone in that house.

PS
This 60 second posting crap is really starting to annoy me.

[lpzblueyedbaby]

60 second posting crap? What do you mean by that?

And as you said, they aren't foolproof. And I don't think poloygraph's are either. Many things can effect them, Nerves, hormones, etc. I know years back my mother failed one because she was pregnant with me, so he could have gotten the two questions wrong because of stress or anything else for that matter.

Unfortunatly I haven't gotten the chance to talk to Jesse today, so I'm not so sure what is going on. My parents don't want me talking to him until after he's proven innocent..But I don't think this should come between our friendship. But I know they want me as safe as possible, and this puts ideas into their head that he's a bad person, so I guess I should in "safetys sake" for their minds.

[harris513]

Originally posted by lpzblueyedbaby
60 second posting crap? What do you mean by that?

And as you said, they aren't foolproof. And I don't think poloygraph's are either. Many things can effect them, Nerves, hormones, etc. I know years back my mother failed one because she was pregnant with me, so he could have gotten the two questions wrong because of stress or anything else for that matter.

Unfortunatly I haven't gotten the chance to talk to Jesse today, so I'm not so sure what is going on. My parents don't want me talking to him until after he's proven innocent..But I don't think this should come between our friendship. But I know they want me as safe as possible, and this puts ideas into their head that he's a bad person, so I guess I should in "safetys sake" for their minds.

Don't write off your mate till he is proven innocent, isn't it INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY????

I agree dogs aren't always right but i still am of the thought that BF isn't entirely on his own here. But then i did just read of the condition of the body when it was found and that made believe alot more that BF was at fault as i never believed he could of just simply strangled her and left it that. But thats just my opinion

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by lpzblueyedbaby
60 second posting crap? What do you mean by that?

And as you said, they aren't foolproof. And I don't think poloygraph's are either. Many things can effect them, Nerves, hormones, etc. I know years back my mother failed one because she was pregnant with me, so he could have gotten the two questions wrong because of stress or anything else for that matter.

Unfortunatly I haven't gotten the chance to talk to Jesse today, so I'm not so sure what is going on. My parents don't want me talking to him until after he's proven innocent..But I don't think this should come between our friendship. But I know they want me as safe as possible, and this puts ideas into their head that he's a bad person, so I guess I should in "safetys sake" for their minds.

I had a good friend in jail once, but he only stole some couple hundred $ item from where we worked...so my parents didn't say anything, hehe. He was a sweetheart too, just friends mind you. He moved and we lost touch.

[lpzblueyedbaby]

I've lost touch of so many of my friends. I became homeschooled and they just seemed to slowly fade away. The first was a friend of mine that ran away..You may have heard about it, Dorothy Elizabeth Bliley[Edie], March of 2003. She was found, thank God. She still remains in Bon Air..She's been transferred 3 or 4 times for breaking out. I've realised hanging with her and her friends, was the wrong crowd for me; But it's still hard.

Maybe one day you and your friend will bump into eachother again =)

[lpzblueyedbaby]

Well, if Ben was off of his medication then I believe he could have managed it on his own. Because I was diagnosed Bi-Polar and the way I get without my medication is well...insane. I don't believe I'd ever ever get to the point to do something like this, though. At the same time he could have very well had someone else involved.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by lpzblueyedbaby
60 second posting crap? What do you mean by that?

The 60 seconds thing. If you try and post something less than 60 seconds after you last post, it won't let you, you have to wait. Well, their timer is off, because I've waited up to 3 minutes before and it still said I had just posted, hehe.

[lpzblueyedbaby]

Oh hehe, see I didn't know that because I'm a newbie =P I ran across the post about Jesse and had to register to leave input =D But I do believe I will be here quite a while! I like these boards.

[Schadenfrau]

Thanks for your personal input, Lpzblueyedbaby.

[MaxwellSmart]

http://www.ussartf.org/dogs_search_rescue.htm
Various types of search / rescue dogs.
This shows what each specific type is trained to do.

These aren't just any dogs, they are highly trained. I understand what was said about how their help is often the exception not the rule. JMO - This can be more due to poor handlers than the dogs themselves. Not reading the clues the dogs give properly. In hindsight - JMO - that's why they dismissed the scent dogs in the Lundsford case - they didn't go anywhere but to the edge of the yard -- well now we know Jessie didn't go much further either.

Here, they knew Taylor's scent did not go beyond the car. Another scent was picked up and followed. It may not have been Jessie's. Maybe it was Ben's, maybe it was the person who later broke in. I think since they alerted to scents, followed trails, they can't be dismissed. They followed someone from that car to that house, IMO.

lpzblueyedbaby ---
Thanks for sharing. I know I have commented on Jessie, exploring all the people we've heard of, at one time I had him + Kevin lumped into 1 person, and I'm sorry for my errors there. Only speaking for myself - I did not intend anything I said as derogatory whatsoever, I was mainly trying to sort out who was who, and how they fit in, if they did. I think it was one helluva big stretch to get possession out of residue on a razor blade in a shared apt. In a case like this though, they have to put the pressure on anyone they think might know something, it's sad to me that this kid now has these troubles from that. I've also read a bit on polygraphs and in no way shape or form are they true lie detectors, there are many many reasons why they fail. IMO - they are another tool, used to apply pressure, to get someone to spill.

[singlesix]

"They followed someone from that car to that house"

Actually, according to people who witnessed it, the dog stopped on the public sidewalk in front of the house. The dog was taken up the steps onto the front porch later. The dog was never taken into the house.

The owners allowed the officers to search the house and escorted them through it opening closets and such.

The shirt that keeps getting mentioned was on the front porch. The porch is just a few steps up from the sidewalk.

Not much to go on, is it?


I always wondered about Skulz when he lived on the corner of W. Grace and Wayne a few years ago. First there was the van covered with bumper stickers. Then there was the neverending collection of stuff that seemed to overflow from his apartment and garage onto the sidewalk. Nothing in particular, just packrat junk and signs and traffic cones and boards, etc. I never did figure out why he had an extension cord running from the apt window, across the sidewalk, and into his van. I would walk by there at least twice a day and wonder why he never seemed to have a job.

I wish I had a couple of issues of the defunct Punchline weekly music review rag with all the nasty messages about him and his habits in the free message section in the back.

Actually, I wish I'd never heard of him. :cuss:

singlesix