Charges to be filed in hours?

AP is reporting that Chief Monroe said that charges will be filed in hours.

[screech]

Three guesses and the first two don't count.

IMO

[MaxwellSmart]

Marilyn - thanks for keeping us updated. You've done great work here and wanted to say I have enjoyed your writing with S. Huff.

Filing charges in hours?? I'm guessing they've got some very damaging evidence from the large crime scene already?

This is so terribly sad for her family. I do hope full justice is served for Taylor.

[JillBean]

There's got to be more to this Jesse Shultz character.

Someone brought up this question earlier, but no one really approached the answer - Taylor's car... Neighbors in the area insisted it hadn't been there the whole time, or they would've noticed it. Jesse's scent is tracked from the car to his aunts house, which is very nearby, as was his own apartment. There were NEVER any reports that Taylors car had been "stolen" per say, or hot wired... meaning whoever was driving it had keys. Taylor left that night with her keys. The only other obvious person who would've had keys because he was "watching her car", was Ben. So since Jesse's scent is the one traced from the car - did he get the keys from Ben, or did he get the keys from Taylor?

The end result is the same difference in my eyes. He's involved in this somehow - and it CAN'T be good. :no:

[JillBean]

If Jesse "didn't know" Taylor as he claims he didn't, then Taylor wouldn't have given him the keys to her car at any point. If he had her set of keys, he took them from her person - some how, some way.

If they were Ben's set of keys to Taylor's car, if he even had a set, well - would you be driving that car at all, or be in it - unless you were involved and didn't have a choice until, say - both the body and the car were dumped somewhere?

[La_Cavalière]

Do we know if it was Jesse's scent that was tracked from the car to the house, or Taylor's, or an unidentified scent? I have seen it reported all different ways.

I'm on it like "white on rice." As soon as I get the word, I'll post the info. Several of the Crime Library scouts, including our most valuable Steve Huff, are alerted.

This is a very sad day. I am so thankful my daughters made it into adulthood. Now I can worry about my grandchildren.

Originally posted by JillBean
There's got to be more to this Jesse Shultz character.

Someone brought up this question earlier, but no one really approached the answer - Taylor's car... Neighbors in the area insisted it hadn't been there the whole time, or they would've noticed it. Jesse's scent is tracked from the car to his aunts house, which is very nearby, as was his own apartment. There were NEVER any reports that Taylors car had been "stolen" per say, or hot wired... meaning whoever was driving it had keys. Taylor left that night with her keys. The only other obvious person who would've had keys because he was "watching her car", was Ben. So since Jesse's scent is the one traced from the car - did he get the keys from Ben, or did he get the keys from Taylor?

The end result is the same difference in my eyes. He's involved in this somehow - and it CAN'T be good. :no: I agree. Could be more than one person involved in this. The discussion on CC today alluded to that.
IMO

[JillBean]

Originally posted by La_Cavalière
Do we know if it was Jesse's scent that was tracked from the car to the house, or Taylor's, or an unidentified scent? I have seen it reported all different ways.

I've only heard the one angle of the scent being Jesse's - and I've done my best to follow the reports... but I'm not local, so I sure may have missed something. Let's not forget that his Tan Altima had been impounded for investigation as well. They don't do that for no reason - unless there's reason to suspect something, or evidence to back it up. I never heard any result of that particular investigation, or it's relevance.

[MaxwellSmart]

Originally posted by La_Cavalière
Do we know if it was Jesse's scent that was tracked from the car to the house, or Taylor's, or an unidentified scent? I have seen it reported all different ways.

The dogs picked up Taylor's scent in the car and it went nowhere. They picked up another scent and it led to Jessie's aunt's house. Upon interviewing the aunt, Jessie had been the only visitor. I believe they then located a shirt he had left behind at the aunt's which would provide an end to the scent trail, and at least appears it was his scent from car to house to shirt?
jmo

[MaxwellSmart]

I believe that Tan Altima belonged to Jessie's roommate. I don't think Jessie had a car at all.
If we believe Jessie when he says he did not know Taylor or Ben, then how did Ben find him and know who he was?
jmo

Monroe has backed off the earlier promise made to AP about filing charges in a few hours:

The chief said further forensic tests will be needed before the medical examiner can determine the cause of Behl's death. He said he expects to file charges in the case, "but in the next three or four days, that's not going to happen." According to the Times Dispatch.

Also, at this time, the chief said that Schultz is not a suspect.

[MaxwellSmart]

Originally posted by Veracity
Hey let's not forget he failed the polygraph - HE told the press the two questions he failed were

DO YOU KNOW TAYLOR

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN HER CAR

I'm with you all - this guy has so many red flags. Why would the Police simply rule him out.

Could a scent dog be helpful at the Farm scene to either rule out or confirm that Jesse had ever been there?

Just thinking?
I think they ruled him out because he worked a double shift the night she went missing, so he has an airtight alibi?
jmo

Originally posted by Veracity


A double shift would mean he was off around some time after 10 to 12 , right? ANyone really know where he worked? ''

Taylor could have been at that restaurant he worked and gave him a lift home, couldn't she?

How is this - Taylor does go skateboarding with Ian and Kevin. Jesse ends up working a double and calls for a lift home. Taylor volunteers to given Jesse a lift. So all skate over to Taylor's car. Ian and Kevin skate off. Taylor heads to whereever Jesse works to pick him up and take him home. Ben sees Taylor with all of these skateboarders and he knows she will be bringing her car back - that is where she parks it. Gee, perhaps she did borrow a skateboard from him that night and after she drops Jesse off, she heads over the Ben's to drop off the skateboard. Or perhaps Taylor returns to park her car, Ben calls her over to his place or is laying in wait nearby to grab her as she makes her way from where she parks to her dorm.

That would put the scents where the scent dog found them right? And if I recall correctly there were two scents that were other than Taylor's - one that went to a nearby house - the N. Sheppard Rd house and another that the police never disclosed what if anything the dog did with. Could the other scent have been Ben's? And after talking to Kevin or hearing from Taylor that she just gave a guy a lift home after work, Ben knew where to park that car to throw off the police?

Here is another scenario - Could Taylor had given Kevin her keys and he have driven Taylor's car and picked up Jesse and dropped him off and then parked Taylor's car in her usual place? That would explain why Jesse says he did not know Taylor and why his scent led from her car to his aunt's house, right? Might even explain how Ben knew to go visit Kevin and ask about Taylor? And might help to explain why Jesse failed that polygraph. Technically, he was in Taylor's car but he was actually driven by one of his buddies and he did not want to implicate the buddy and he did not really know it was Taylor's car at the time.

What do you think? Any chance at all?

wow.. nice post. i think both of these could of happened. im sorta leaning towards the jealously theory, ben saw taylor with guys and got jealous. maybe they were going to hang out and she decided to skateboard instead? but than again.. still dont know what happen. for some reason i dont believe ben was in this alone, its just a gut feeling that i believe they were after taylor.

[singlesix]

"ANyone really know where he worked?''

Yes, and they've been really good to him, especially when compared to his landlord who evicted him. I've only spoken to him a few times over the years and he seems like a nice kid (I'm 2x his age). His aunt and uncle have never had a bad word to say about him and they're good folks.

My initial opinion, based on no evidence whatsoever...

I thought somebody tried to frame him by dragging a piece of clothing 3 blocks and ended up going to the wrong house - his aunt and uncle's - and not his.

John

[Anubis]

I'm inclined to agree with Veracity on this one...It sounds like a very workable theory:

So, Taylor borrows a skateboard from Ben and goes skateboarding with Ian and Kevin. Jesse ends up working a double and needs a ride, someone picks him up, ect. At some point Ian and Kevin leave. Taylor needs to return the skateboard to Ben...and take Jesse home. At this point, I'm becoming more and more convinced drugs might have been involved somehow. IMO, that is the only thing I can think of that would count as "highly illegal" and "early birthday present". Jesse has the hook-up...maybe Ben is buying. Either way, this explains why Jesse's scent is in the car and why Ben is back in the picture.

Ben knows of a great place out in Matthews. What better place to do drugs and not get caught? It's private and no one will get in trouble...Maybe all three of them went, or maybe Jesse gave them the drugs and Ben and Taylor went (a more likely scenario). We know Taylor died in Matthews, so after that, it's anyone's guess what happened...

It sounds as though Taylor just wanted to be friends with Ben. Motive for him, obviously, would be he still had feelings for her and she rebuffed him. She didn't stop hanging out with him though, I notice. She kept in touch enough to possibly borrow a skateboard/use drugs with him...Going to Matthews to use would be a friendly encounter...Until they were both high and tempers started flying (on Ben's side). People talk a lot when they're on drugs...They say things they wouldn't normally say...

[singlesix]

Why ride when you can walk?

Jesse worked 10 blocks from his apartment. And these are the much shorter crosstown blocks, not the longer uptown/downtown blocks that run east-west in this neighborhood.

He could have walked home in the time it took someone to come get him.

singlesix

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by singlesix
Why ride when you can walk?

Jesse worked 10 blocks from his apartment. And these are the much shorter crosstown blocks, not the longer uptown/downtown blocks that run east-west in this neighborhood.

He could have walked home in the time it took someone to come get him.

singlesix

Where did he work, they've never said that I know of. They have said he DID NOT work at the Cafe, so if you are saying the Cafe was 10 blocks from his apt., then that wouldn't count.

[marabeth]

Questions..Did the murderer leave something of himself at the crime scene..We may not know until an arrest..

Could they trace the plastic bags back to those found in the murderer's apartment..I have seen cases where they can show they have identical defects, artifacts of manufacturing..

Where did the murder occur?..Did she drive out there voluntarily with her murderer and something went very wrong..Were there plastic bags in her car already..containing things she may have brought from home? Is the report of plastic bags connected with the body a media rumor or a fact?

Did he have help in disposing of the body? Did the murderer or someone else move the car..or was it left to be stolen..contaminating the evidence, confusing the case?

[singlesix]

Not the Village - that would be, oh (starts counting on fingers), 20 long blocks. His employer has been understanding and is not seeking publicity.

singlesix

[molly1]

I think it would be nuts of Ben to drive her body 4 plus hours round trip to drop it off at a place that he could be linked to.

Of course maybe he is nuts, in which case we'll see an insanity defense.

But other than that, doing this would in no way help his cause in covering up a crime. To get there, he passed tons of woods where a dumped body might never be found and sure wouldn't be connected to him in any way.

IMO

[marabeth]

Murderers have been known to place themselves at the scene of a body disposal...even produce a receipt to prove it.

[molly1]

Originally posted by marabeth
Murderers have been known to place themselves at the scene of a body disposal...even produce a receipt to prove it.

They've been known to bury the body in their backyard, too.

I don't think the fact that she was found where she was found singles out Ben Fawley, though. There are a lot of people who knew about that location.

IMO

[marabeth]

I am concerned about Ben's violence against girlfriends and his criminal record..He seemed to have gotten obsessive if he felt abandoned, rejected..We shall have to wait and see if there is more than just suspicion..and more involved in the body disposal than just one murderer.

His child porn charges and weapons charges will keep him in jail while they develop evidence for or against his involvement..

The "abduction "story set off bells and whistles in my mind...

[molly1]

Originally posted by marabeth
I am concerned about Ben's violence against girlfriends and his criminal record..He seemed to have gotten obsessive if he felt abandoned, rejected..We shall have to wait and see if there is more than just suspicion..and more involved in the body disposal than just one murderer.

His child porn charges and weapons charges will keep him in jail while they develop evidence for or against his involvement..

The "abduction "story set off bells and whistles in my mind...
I hope you appreciate that a charge means nothing. Innocent until proven guilty.

In the case of the porn, all his computers were used computers, he had multiple people using them, lots of people knew his password, and he and others were doing jobs for computer nanny.

There might be a good explanation for any child porn.

The gun is still a mystery because it was never found by the search warrant. So where did it come from?

As far as girlfriends, well it's their word against his how 'obsessive' he was. I do believe that Jessica and Erin are friends, are they not? Things were strained between Erin and Ben that summer over a breach of promise agreement. They were feuding. And, Jessica claimed he threw car keys at her, bruising her arm. He denies it. Maybe she was just a bad catch.

And maybe he was really abducted by the folks who put Taylor's body at Mathews.

IMO

[marabeth]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/taylor_behl/11.html

snip
anything, the revelations coming from the sudden scrutiny have made Ben Fawley look even more emotionally disturbed and violent. Justice Magazine reported that in 2003, he choked an ex-girlfriend to the point where she was afraid she would die. He then cut his arms with a knife. and had to go to the hospital. The young woman was afraid for her life and got a restraining order against him.

The following year, Fawley assaulted another girlfriend, Jessica Payton. Payton portrayed him as a kind of Jekyll and Hyde: sometimes a "wonderful person" and sometimes a "person that is full of anger and hatred." Fawley sat in jail for a couple of months for that assault. The "Jekyll and Hyde" behavior is symptomatic of the bipolar disorder from which Fawley suffers.

Perhaps the most disturbing revelation was made by Jonathan Delano to various media sources. Delano shares an apartment with Erin Crabill, a young woman with whom Fawley was obsessed. They had a disagreement over some photos and Erin broke up with him. Fawley posted long rants on his Web sites with his side of the story.

A few weeks after he and Erin split up, Fawley got into Delano's apartment in the middle of the night carrying a hammer and a can of mace, saying that he just wanted to talk. Apparently, Fawley thought that Delano was Erin Crabill's boyfriend.

Fawley refused to leave and launched into a long diatribe about his life. Delano was not amused and filed a criminal trespass complaint. Fawley's brushes with the law are nothing new. He has an extensive rap sheet in Pennsylvania which includes theft, assault and receiving stolen property.

We see a man who cannot control his temper, who surrounds himself with people half his age, who manufactures scary personae to attract girls into the troubled life of a disabled misfit, and who becomes obsessed with the young women who pass briefly through his life and then reject him, when they realize how damaged he is. He cannot accept their rejection and resorts to violent behavior. snip


18. The Authors
-Marilyn Bardsley
-Steve Huff

[molly1]

Marabeth, a lot of that above article strikes me as hearsay.


IMO

[marabeth]

Originally posted by molly1
Marabeth, a lot of that above article strikes me as hearsay.


IMO

If they are quoting sources it isn't hearsay..It comes directly from the victims. In court they would have to testify under oath personally..Of course probably none of this will be heard in court if he is charged and tried for Taylor's death..His record could be consdered during a sentencing hearing, I suppose..We don't even have an indictment yet so this is premature...

I am troubled by what I know of his interaction with women..I have no idea what , if any, evidence they have that he was involved in Taylor's death.

There is a long way to go before all the information is revealed..I am hoping the murderer left something of himself at the scene of the crime or at the scene of disposal of the body..

[suzeq71]

Originally posted by molly1


There might be a good explanation for any child porn.

IMO



Is there EVER a good explanation for child porn? Especially involving babies as young as 1 year old? As savvy as he was with computers, I just don't buy that he didn't know that stuff was on there.... IMO...

Suzanne

[Researcher]

Molly, I have several questions for you.
1) Re: "In the case of the porn, all his computers were used computers, he had multiple people using them, lots of people knew his password, and he and others were doing jobs for computer nanny."
A) Who knew his password? B) Was that reported somewhere? C) And I hadn't read about he and others doing jobs for computer nanny. What is computer nanny, who were the others working with him and what kinds of jobs were they doing?

2) Re: "There might be a good explanation for any child porn." No, there might not be...ever....as another poster stated.

[marabeth]

I did not address the child porn "excuse"...and I see others have done a good job of it..