Body of Missing College Student Taylor Behl Believed Found [Archive]

10-06-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by factsuall
Thanks lashes I have been reading that board but no confirmation yet!

Are you saying that is it NOW confirmed?

:rose:

No. It has not yet been scientifically confirmed but they did say that so far it appears to "certainly be her". They just got her dental records and some DNA so it's just a matter of time.

Oh, here is her myspace.com blog.. it's still active:(

http://www.myspace.com/doowop

10-06-2005, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by shudvbinalawyer
FOX says mothers said, "most likely my baby". :(

Oh i know. I saw her statement, it was pathetic. Their "99.9% sure" it is her. They said that the remains are "in tact". :(

10-06-2005, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by xjrb

Lashes, on a side note, how is your dad?

Well.. honestly.. not that great. The problems that he had after the surgery have really taken a toll on him physically. He has alot of hernia's and they REFUSE to operate because of what all happened last time they operated on him so he was fitten with a trus yesterday. He's nothing but skin and bones and he can't seem to gain any weight. He's off the sauce which is good but he started smoking again. However.. with all that he has been through, i probably would have too honestly. He's on anti- depressants now and sleeping medication and i am talking to him now matter of fact on the phone. His voice is also messed up from the intubation. He sounds kinda hoarse and it won't get any better. Were planning a big Holiday for him this December so hopefully that will cheer him up some. Were trying but sometimes it isn't that easy.

Thanks for your concern. :)

10-06-2005, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Maxeen

That just breaks my heart.

On another note at least she has closure with the discovery of the body. :rose:

I completely agree.

cookiedog

10-06-2005, 12:51 PM

One of my kids goes to VCU and students are saying today that Ben Fawley killed her during rough sex and then buried her out in Mathews County. My heart breaks for her family and friends. I think she was a lot more naive and trusting than she should have been but at 17 I'm sure she thought she was all grown up!

I also wonder how Ben Fawley gets full SS disability payments. I know the process I went through to be found disabled and I certainly would not qualify if I had 7 business I ran and a very active social life. This guy doesn't seem very disabled, does he?
I wonder if he financially supports his kids?

10-06-2005, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by xjrb

Just keep trying and let him know how glad you are to still have him. Let him know he wont bounce back like a teenager,. It will take time.
:rose: :rose: for you!

Thank You. I appreciate that. He seems to have really gotten close to his dog, Maggie. She's like his little buddy. LoL

He's frustrated because he hasn't got the energy to do much around the yard or anything. He's always been very, very active and now it takes everything out of him just to cut the front yard. :mad:

10-06-2005, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by cookiedog
One of my kids goes to VCU and students are saying today that Ben Fawley killed her during rough sex and then buried her out in Mathews County. My heart breaks for her family and friends. I think she was a lot more naive and trusting than she should have been but at 17 I'm sure she thought she was all grown up!

I also wonder how Ben Fawley gets full SS disability payments. I know the process I went through to be found disabled and I certainly would not qualify if I had 7 business I ran and a very active social life. This guy doesn't seem very disabled, does he?
I wonder if he financially supports his kids?

As far as the disability goes, i think they said he got it from being BiPolar. They said that he is "an extreme case" of BiPolar disorder and that he was off his meds. I'm BiPolar as well, but it isn't "extreme". He could very well collect disability benefits from that, it wouldn't be hard. It isn't uncommon for those who are BiPolar to go off their meds every now and then because they enjoy the high it gives them. I'm the opposite, if i don't have my meds.. i end up in the bed crying for days.
As far as the supporting his kids.. i didn't know he had any.

cookiedog

10-06-2005, 01:04 PM

Thanks, Lashes, I had missed the part about bi-polar. He has two kids who live in another state with their mother. She has hired an attorney to keep the media away from them.

10-06-2005, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by cookiedog
Thanks, Lashes, I had missed the part about bi-polar. He has two kids who live in another state with their mother. She has hired an attorney to keep the media away from them.

I don't blame her. Have you seen the search warrant on the Taylor Behl thread under Crime Library?? Take a gander of the stuff they seized from his apartment.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by shudvbinalawyer
FOX reporting news conference somewhere around 2 eastern. Thanks Shud. Initially it was suposed to be at noon eastern.

There is lots of info at the Taylor Behl board for those interested. Pictures of the crime scene, etc.

So sad. :rose:

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by daclaw2005

Hi sweet Dunnie :seeya: I hope all is well with you. Hey did you happen to see the Post article today regarding that fake witness who said he saw the sniper at Home Depot and then was found to be lying, is being charged with murder for the beating and stabbing of a Falls Church woman?! Good Grief! Hello my friend. :seeya: No I missed that one. I knew he was whacko back when he said what he did. Now he's being charged with murder? Sheesh! I'd like to wake up just ONE morning in this town and not hear about how many murders there were the night before. Okay, sorry I went O/T.

Good to see you!

10-06-2005, 01:51 PM

:rose: For Taylor

:rose: For Taylor's Mom, along with my thoughts and prayers

What a tragic end to a life yet unlived.

So very sad!

barskin&co.

10-06-2005, 01:56 PM

LATaurus

10-06-2005, 01:58 PM

nana2

10-06-2005, 02:11 PM

confirmed....its her

RIP:rose:

nana2

10-06-2005, 02:16 PM

body "parts" ?? so was she dismembered??

nana2

10-06-2005, 02:19 PM

Im sorry you guys for waht Im about to say....but Im really surprised this freak didnt keep her skull:(

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 02:20 PM

Awww Man.

For Taylor and her poor family. :rose:

LATaurus

10-06-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by nana2
confirmed....its her

RIP:rose:

awww, that's so sad.........

Her poor mom. :(

10-06-2005, 02:57 PM

I noticed the term "body parts" too. Ohhh God's this is horrible. It's her mom's birthday too they said. Happy Freakin' Birthday:(

nana2

10-06-2005, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by lashes
I noticed the term "body parts" too. Ohhh God's this is horrible. It's her mom's birthday too they said. Happy Freakin' Birthday:( Taylors Birthday is the 13th:(

she would have been 18

PsychNurse;~)

10-06-2005, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by lashes

No. It has not yet been scientifically confirmed but they did say that so far it appears to "certainly be her". They just got her dental records and some DNA so it's just a matter of time.

Oh, here is her myspace.com blog.. it's still active:(

http://www.myspace.com/doowop

:(

read her blog; how damn sad! at the top right it says she wants to meet a kind person.......

:rose:

for all of those taken much too young.

cyn

karincc

10-06-2005, 03:14 PM

D'ya know, I've followed this case, and it just has me shaking my head.

When I went away to college, I saw a number of girls in the dorm who just went wild because they weren't under parental supervision. Just went absolutely apesh*t over not having to report to anyone, not having anyone asking them about were they keeping up with their studies, not keeping an eye on who they were hanging out with or what they were doing.

And oh my the guys who had it all worked out to prey on their naivete and vulnerability. So easy for a freshman girl to get a swollen head and feel all mature and smart because some guy in his twenties is paying attention to her.

Really sad. I know we've come 'way too far since the days when girls who went away to college lived in dorms that were almost cloistered, had curfews they had to keep and had to register all dates and visitors with the "dorm mother" (head resident), to ever go back; but a case like this sure makes me think that maybe there needs to be some transitioning from living at home to total freedom for some girls. Maybe they'd hate it, but maybe they'd be safer, too.

Sad.

juiceee

10-06-2005, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by PsychNurse;~)

:(

read her blog; how damn sad! at the top right it says she wants to meet a kind person.......

:rose:

for all of those taken much too young.

cyn

I also read her blog and I hope that forensic experts are currently poring over it............. I think they might find very, very interesting information within.

For Taylor - :rose:

karincc

10-06-2005, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by juiceee

I also read her blog and I hope that forensic experts are currently poring over it............. I think they might find very, very interesting information within.

For Taylor - :rose:

FWIW, it sounds as if law enforcement is pretty sure they know who did it, and most likely charges will be filed in fairly short order. JMO.

juiceee

10-06-2005, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by karincc

FWIW, it sounds as if law enforcement is pretty sure they know who did it, and most likely charges will be filed in fairly short order. JMO.

Thanks for the info and I hope so.

10-06-2005, 04:02 PM

Ben Cawley is the guy in custody. Apparently, among other things, when they searched his house, the found a box spring where a chunk had been cut out and what was left had a reddish brown stain .. plus they found a machete and some bones. Story here (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1005/266413.html)

Also the Crime Library has links to this weirdo's "art" pages - and there are two pictures of him (you have to go through lots of pictures of flowers first :rolleyes: ) - one clothed and one without a shirt. Bondage type dude. Very sad situation. Absolutely a parent's worst nightmare.

To Taylor and her family :rose:

juiceee

10-06-2005, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Rowan Again
Ben Cawley is the guy in custody. Apparently, among other things, when they searched his house, the found a box spring where a chunk had been cut out and what was left had a reddish brown stain .. plus they found a machete and some bones. Story here (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1005/266413.html)

Also the Crime Library has links to this weirdo's "art" pages - and there are two pictures of him (you have to go through lots of pictures of flowers first :rolleyes: ) - one clothed and one without a shirt. Bondage type dude. Very sad situation. Absolutely a parent's worst nightmare.

To Taylor and her family :rose:

From your link:

Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Mike Jagels said authorities have found at least 30 videos on Fawley's computers depicting children as young as 1 in sexual acts.

Leaving aside his 'alleged' involvement in Taylor's slaying, the above makes this liberal heart pound with vengeance.

How can we stop this pernicious and contagious evil to spread like wildfire?

The internet must have made it easy for such perverted freaks to communicate with each other.

I know it is a global phenomenon but we really, really need a global solution. I think we should all come together, pool LE and our secret services in order to nail these filthy perverts...........

imo

karincc

10-06-2005, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Rowan Again
Ben Cawley is the guy in custody. Apparently, among other things, when they searched his house, the found a box spring where a chunk had been cut out and what was left had a reddish brown stain .. plus they found a machete and some bones. Story here (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1005/266413.html)

Also the Crime Library has links to this weirdo's "art" pages - and there are two pictures of him (you have to go through lots of pictures of flowers first :rolleyes: ) - one clothed and one without a shirt. Bondage type dude. Very sad situation. Absolutely a parent's worst nightmare.

To Taylor and her family :rose:

Yeah, when I read about this guy, I just kept wondering how the girl could have fallen in with him. It just seems that he was so majorly creepy and repellent that Taylor's (or anyone's) survival instincts would kick in and make her stear clear of him.

IMO any parent who is sending a girl off to college ought to give her a copy of Gavin de Becker's book "The Gift of Fear" and make sure she reads it before she goes.

Sad.

karincc

10-06-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Rowan Again
Ben Cawley is the guy in custody. Apparently, among other things, when they searched his house, the found a box spring where a chunk had been cut out and what was left had a reddish brown stain .. plus they found a machete and some bones. Story here (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1005/266413.html)

Also the Crime Library has links to this weirdo's "art" pages - and there are two pictures of him (you have to go through lots of pictures of flowers first :rolleyes: ) - one clothed and one without a shirt. Bondage type dude. Very sad situation. Absolutely a parent's worst nightmare.

To Taylor and her family :rose:

I didn't realize the guy was 38!

When I was 17, me and most of my girl friends knew that any guy who was a lot older than we were was only scraping acquaintance for one reason, and it wasn't because he wanted to enjoy conversation and philosphical discussion. And the greater the age difference, the more likely it was that the guy was interested in what was inside our pants, not inside our heads.

Poor Taylor-- I wonder what kind of home environment she came from, that she didn't have more survival instinct to tell her this guy was very very bad news. Sad.

10-06-2005, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by karincc

I didn't realize the guy was 38!

When I was 17, me and most of my girl friends knew that any guy who was a lot older than we were was only scraping acquaintance for one reason, and it wasn't because he wanted to enjoy conversation and philosphical discussion. And the greater the age difference, the more likely it was that the guy was interested in what was inside our pants, not inside our heads.

Poor Taylor-- I wonder what kind of home environment she came from, that she didn't have more survival instinct to tell her this guy was very very bad news. Sad.

Guy was very into kinky sex apparently. Again, I am speaking from the Crime Library information. ..

I have a 20 year old daughter. This just eats at me :(

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by karincc

I didn't realize the guy was 38!

When I was 17, me and most of my girl friends knew that any guy who was a lot older than we were was only scraping acquaintance for one reason, and it wasn't because he wanted to enjoy conversation and philosphical discussion. And the greater the age difference, the more likely it was that the guy was interested in what was inside our pants, not inside our heads.

Poor Taylor-- I wonder what kind of home environment she came from, that she didn't have more survival instinct to tell her this guy was very very bad news. Sad. Actually it appears as though she came from a very good family. Divorced parents, but who doesn't have that. She seemed very close to her Mom, Janet. In fact, Janet had been given a pair of earrings when she was 16. She wore one around her neck and Taylor wore the other. I think that earring has been found in evidence, but not sure.

juiceee

10-06-2005, 04:28 PM

Copying an earlier post as am not techy enough to extract the info, apparently this freak is also an 'alleged paedophile'.

juiceee
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 6193

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Originally posted by Rowan Again
Ben Cawley is the guy in custody. Apparently, among other things, when they searched his house, the found a box spring where a chunk had been cut out and what was left had a reddish brown stain .. plus they found a machete and some bones. Story here

Also the Crime Library has links to this weirdo's "art" pages - and there are two pictures of him (you have to go through lots of pictures of flowers first ) - one clothed and one without a shirt. Bondage type dude. Very sad situation. Absolutely a parent's worst nightmare.

To Taylor and her family
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From your link:

Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Mike Jagels said authorities have found at least 30 videos on Fawley's computers depicting children as young as 1 in sexual acts.

Leaving aside his 'alleged' involvement in Taylor's slaying, the above makes this liberal heart pound with vengeance.

How can we stop this pernicious and contagious evil to spread like wildfire?

The internet must have made it easy for such perverted freaks to communicate with each other.

I know it is a global phenomenon but we really, really need a global solution. I think we should all come together, pool LE and our secret services in order to nail these filthy perverts...........

imo

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by juiceee
Copying an earlier post as am not techy enough to extract the info, apparently this freak is also an 'alleged paedophile'.

juiceee
Senior Member

Registered: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 6193

quote:
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Originally posted by Rowan Again
Ben Cawley is the guy in custody. Apparently, among other things, when they searched his house, the found a box spring where a chunk had been cut out and what was left had a reddish brown stain .. plus they found a machete and some bones. Story here

Also the Crime Library has links to this weirdo's "art" pages - and there are two pictures of him (you have to go through lots of pictures of flowers first ) - one clothed and one without a shirt. Bondage type dude. Very sad situation. Absolutely a parent's worst nightmare.

To Taylor and her family
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From your link:

Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Mike Jagels said authorities have found at least 30 videos on Fawley's computers depicting children as young as 1 in sexual acts.

Leaving aside his 'alleged' involvement in Taylor's slaying, the above makes this liberal heart pound with vengeance.

How can we stop this pernicious and contagious evil to spread like wildfire?

The internet must have made it easy for such perverted freaks to communicate with each other.

I know it is a global phenomenon but we really, really need a global solution. I think we should all come together, pool LE and our secret services in order to nail these filthy perverts...........

imo Now that is disgusting. one year old children in sex acts. That I can't fathom.

juiceee

10-06-2005, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
Now that is disgusting. one year old children in sex acts. That I can't fathom.

That makes me physically ill and totally outraged. We all know 'traffic' on the net is checked by the CIA, MI5 for acts or potential acts of terrorism. The software is there - why are we not using it? Like I posted earlier, why isn't there a global 'concord' drawn up in order to stop these freaks in their tracks.

I love the internet and don't know how I lived without it, I have approx 25 sites in 'my faves' including newspapers etc. It is an amazing tool for good and education, but also has the potential to be used by every paedophile, thief, ****, terrorist and criminal................

Aame

10-06-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by lashes

Well.. honestly.. not that great. The problems that he had after the surgery have really taken a toll on him physically. He has alot of hernia's and they REFUSE to operate because of what all happened last time they operated on him so he was fitten with a trus yesterday. He's nothing but skin and bones and he can't seem to gain any weight. He's off the sauce which is good but he started smoking again. However.. with all that he has been through, i probably would have too honestly. He's on anti- depressants now and sleeping medication and i am talking to him now matter of fact on the phone. His voice is also messed up from the intubation. He sounds kinda hoarse and it won't get any better. Were planning a big Holiday for him this December so hopefully that will cheer him up some. Were trying but sometimes it isn't that easy.

Thanks for your concern. :) :rose:

Aame

10-06-2005, 04:59 PM

The pain this mother is feeling is without a doubt the worst pain anyone could ever feel.

My own daughter was killed when she was 17, but I was able to claim her the same day. I know what it did to me....10 yrs later and I've never been the same and never will be.

I can't even begin to imagine the pain of Mrs. Behl. Same is true for Halloway, Rocha, not having any idea of where their girl is until she turns up in a shallow grave somewhere.

Bless this mother as she moves forward in these next few days, and for the rest of her life. This was her only child, as was Laci, Natalee the only daughters.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

LATaurus

10-06-2005, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Aame
The pain this mother is feeling is without a doubt the worst pain anyone could ever feel.

My own daughter was killed when she was 17, but I was able to claim her the same day. I know what it did to me....10 yrs later and I've never been the same and never will be.

I can't even begin to imagine the pain of Mrs. Behl. Same is true for Halloway, Rocha, not having any idea of where their girl is until she turns up in a shallow grave somewhere.

Bless this mother as she moves forward in these next few days, and for the rest of her life. This was her only child, as was Laci, Natalee the only daughters.

Aame, I am so sorry for your loss.... :rose:

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:08 PM

I just watched Taylor's Mom on my local channel. She is very composed. I said to hubby, how can anyone go on TV when this has just happened to them? They asked if she's making funeral arrangements and she said yes. Where do you find the strength when something like that happens to you? I swear you would have to put me in the coffin with my daughter.

LATaurus

10-06-2005, 05:11 PM

10-06-2005, 05:12 PM

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by LATaurus

I feel the same way, Dun... I have only one child, and I can't imagine life without her.

For Taylor's mom :rose: I think the Mom is in shock. She seemed rather robotic. Answered questions with her attorney sitting next to her. I would be a raving looney. Guess I don't have a strong character or something. I would definitely be sedated for a long, long time.

juiceee

10-06-2005, 05:17 PM

Aame

10-06-2005, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I just watched Taylor's Mom on my local channel. She is very composed. I said to hubby, how can anyone go on TV when this has just happened to them? They asked if she's making funeral arrangements and she said yes. Where do you find the strength when something like that happens to you? I swear you would have to put me in the coffin with my daughter.

You just do it.

Just move through everything in slow motion. Even looking back it all seems like a dream, but I know that I know it's for real. It's when all is said and done, after everyone goes home, the phone stops ringing, people stop sending cards, that it begins to creep up on you.

Then without expectation it hits like a bucket of ice water in the face. Desperately trying to catch ones breath, we begin our journey back to some kind of sanity, some reach it, some don't, but it will change the way one lives and thinks for the rest of ones life.

Here is hoping nobody here ever has to feel what this is like!

:rose: :rose: :rose: For you and yours whomever you are.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Aame

You just do it.

Just move through everything in slow motion. Even looking back it all seems like a dream, but I know that I know it's for real. It's when all is said and done, after everyone goes home, the phone stops ringing, people stop sending cards, that it begins to creep up on you.

Then without expectation it hits like a bucket of ice water in the face. Desperately trying to catch ones breath, we begin our journey back to some kind of sanity, some reach it, some don't, but it will change the way one lives and thinks for the rest of ones life.

Here is hoping nobody here ever has to feel what this is like!

For you and yours whomever you are. For you and yours Aame. :rose: You must be a very strong woman. Hugs from me to you.

juiceee

10-06-2005, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I think the Mom is in shock. She seemed rather robotic. Answered questions with her attorney sitting next to her. I would be a raving looney. Guess I don't have a strong character or something. I would definitely be sedated for a long, long time.

I haven't seen the footage, but I imagine she is in the first stages of grief - denial............

I have a degree in Psychology and know that it is a process.

http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/mosby_factsheets/Bereavement.html

karincc

10-06-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
Actually it appears as though she came from a very good family. Divorced parents, but who doesn't have that. She seemed very close to her Mom, Janet. In fact, Janet had been given a pair of earrings when she was 16. She wore one around her neck and Taylor wore the other. I think that earring has been found in evidence, but not sure.

Dunlurken, I didn't mean to imply she didn't come from a good family. It's just that I can't fathom why Taylor felt that being alone with this guy was safe. Did she know him before she went away to college? If she didn't, if he was someone she met soon after she left home and got to college, she sure let him through her safeguards awful fast, without making him prove himself to her as someone safe to know.

I feel like a broken record on this, but for their own safety, women-- especially young women-- have to know that it isn't safe to allow a guy to get to close to them until they really, really have gotten to know him. Also that safety has to trump fun every single time if you want to stay alive and unscathed.

Sad as this situation is, it's another "teachable moment" for mothers who have teen-age daughters: sit down with them and talk to them about the need to be serious about their own safety, to not rush into relationships of any kind, and to just be careful because there are dangerous people out there with bad intentions.

karincc

10-06-2005, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by katiemadonna

And what about Fathers? Is it not also a "teachable moment" for them also :shrug:

That too, katiemadonna. It's just that when I think of the situation, I think of myself and my daughter, and the kinds of conversations we're going to have.

Sad to have to have these kinds of talks, but the truth is there are an awful lot of males who see women as prey and nothing more.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by karincc

Dunlurken, I didn't mean to imply she didn't come from a good family. It's just that I can't fathom why Taylor felt that being alone with this guy was safe. Did she know him before she went away to college? If she didn't, if he was someone she met soon after she left home and got to college, she sure let him through her safeguards awful fast, without making him prove himself to her as someone safe to know.

I feel like a broken record on this, but for their own safety, women-- especially young women-- have to know that it isn't safe to allow a guy to get to close to them until they really, really have gotten to know him. Also that safety has to trump fun every single time if you want to stay alive and unscathed.

Sad as this situation is, it's another "teachable moment" for mothers who have teen-age daughters: sit down with them and talk to them about the need to be serious about their own safety, to not rush into relationships of any kind, and to just be careful because there are dangerous people out there with bad intentions. I understand you didn't imply she came from a bad family. The unfortunate thing is that her Mom and her were close, so I would assume her Mom had told her about "strange" people. Even the dad met this guy Ben Fawley and didn't realize he was 38. Dropped Taylor off at a friends house where Ben was. I guess my point is that you can talk until you are blue in the face, which I personally have done, but maybe it boils down to fate. I don't know. My Mom scared the crap out of me, and I tried to do it to my daughter. I just dunno.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:33 PM

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by karincc

That too, katiemadonna. It's just that when I think of the situation, I think of myself and my daughter, and the kinds of conversations we're going to have.

Sad to have to have these kinds of talks, but the truth is there are an awful lot of males who see women as prey and nothing more. May I ask how old your daughter is? You don't have to answer if you don't want to and I will understand.

LATaurus

10-06-2005, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
Taylor seemed to have a good relationship with her Dad even though her parents were divorced. I am truly baffled.

Sometimes, I think, you can't point to any one cause.... Young peole do take risks and make bad decisions due to inexperience, and it only takes one bad decision for things to turn out tragically.

Aame

10-06-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by karincc

Dunlurken, I didn't mean to imply she didn't come from a good family. It's just that I can't fathom why Taylor felt that being alone with this guy was safe. Did she know him before she went away to college? If she didn't, if he was someone she met soon after she left home and got to college, she sure let him through her safeguards awful fast, without making him prove himself to her as someone safe to know.

I feel like a broken record on this, but for their own safety, women-- especially young women-- have to know that it isn't safe to allow a guy to get to close to them until they really, really have gotten to know him. Also that safety has to trump fun every single time if you want to stay alive and unscathed.

Sad as this situation is, it's another "teachable moment" for mothers who have teen-age daughters: sit down with them and talk to them about the need to be serious about their own safety, to not rush into relationships of any kind, and to just be careful because there are dangerous people out there with bad intentions.

It doesn't matter how much they are taught. Once they turn 16,17,18, they think they know what's best for them. They also believe deep down inside "it will never happen to me". Especially if they are left to live on their own. That is a 'key' to total independence, no accountability to any adult.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 05:44 PM

karincc

10-06-2005, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I understand you didn't imply she came from a bad family. The unfortunate thing is that her Mom and her were close, so I would assume her Mom had told her about "strange" people. Even the dad met this guy Ben Fawley and didn't realize he was 38. Dropped Taylor off at a friends house where Ben was. I guess my point is that you can talk until you are blue in the face, which I personally have done, but maybe it boils down to fate. I don't know. My Mom scared the crap out of me, and I tried to do it to my daughter. I just dunno.

I dunno either, Dunlurken. Thank god my daughter is still at the "boys are so stupid!" stage, but we've had talks about personal safety and the kinds of things that boys, even boys near her age, can do if they have bad intentions.

I think the problem of girls going away to college is compounded by the fact that at that age, all kids think they're immortal and can handle anything that gets thrown at them. They have the answers for everything and they can be absolutely insolent in their confidence, god bless 'em. Which is the way you'd like them to feel, except that it's just not true when you're talking about opportunists and predators and psychos and sociopaths.

I don't like to think of myself as a man-hater, but sometimes it seems to me that if you're a woman, you have to look at all men as being predators and having evil intent until they've proven otherwise. It makes me angry, but how else can I make sure my daughter is safe except by instilling that kind of attitude in her?:shrug:

karincc

10-06-2005, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by katiemadonna

Sorry karin...I was editing my post while you answered me. I truly believe that a great relationship with their fathers can really help in teaching girls.

I agree, and I think that having a father who treats her with respect and to think well of herself as a human being is the best role-modelling that a girl can have of what men in her life should be like.

I'm not so sure about the aspect of teaching daughters about some of the uglier aspects of men and the way they treat women. I think some of that has to be taught woman-to-woman, because men just don't experience it the way we do.

For sure raising a daughter to be both safe and confident, friendly and compassionate and caring and at the same time cautious and aware of threats to her safety, is a job that both parents (and maybe a whole lot of other people) have to pitch in on and take seriously.

Sad and daunting, sometimes. JMO.

karincc

10-06-2005, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
May I ask how old your daughter is? You don't have to answer if you don't want to and I will understand.

She's 12, going to be 13 this December. She's bright and strong and confident and all the good things, but also has a strong ironic sense of humor and can be very mercurial in her moods. She's the best thing in my life, and if Taylor's mom felt anything about her daughter like I feel about mine, I don't know how the poor woman can keep going. If anything happened to my daughter I would want to die.

karincc

10-06-2005, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Aame

It doesn't matter how much they are taught. Once they turn 16,17,18, they think they know what's best for them. They also believe deep down inside "it will never happen to me". Especially if they are left to live on their own. That is a 'key' to total independence, no accountability to any adult.

AAme, maybe because I had a very close call with molestation when I was about 10, I never had an attitude lf "it will never happen to me." I knew it could and looked out for myself accordingly.

I went away to college when I was 16 and of course I thought I could take care of myself, but I was also very aware that there were young men who thought of women as prey who would take advantage of anyone, me included, in a heartbeat if circumstances permitted. So I made sure that circumstances never permitted.

Maybe you have to actually feel danger up close and personal to understand that it's real and can happen to you before you take it seriously.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by karincc

She's 12, going to be 13 this December. She's bright and strong and confident and all the good things, but also has a strong ironic sense of humor and can be very mercurial in her moods. She's the best thing in my life, and if Taylor's mom felt anything about her daughter like I feel about mine, I don't know how the poor woman can keep going. If anything happened to my daughter I would want to die. She sounds fantastic. Keep her close, if you know what I mean. I lost mine for a while, but she came back safe and sound. Well, safe anyway. LOL. Too many tatoos for my liking, but WTH.

SPYCEE3

10-06-2005, 06:49 PM

I can't believe that beautiful girl had a romantic relationship with Fawley (the disgusting bast*rd). What is wrong with this sick world?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171446,00.html

betinasue

10-06-2005, 07:00 PM

/QUOTE] according to what i read, it is confirmed that the body of taylor is confirmed, just not cause of death.

EKate23

10-06-2005, 07:40 PM

I went away to college when I was 16 and of course I thought I could take care of myself, but I was also very aware that there were young men who thought of women as prey who would take advantage of anyone, me included, in a heartbeat if circumstances permitted. So I made sure that circumstances never permitted.

I agree. The very campus I live on holds a story (Ted Bundy) that if known to all girls, we'd realize this too. It was revealed that he'd been here when I came to Orientation, my mother balked, but I came anyway.

10-06-2005, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by coronalight

Taylor's Mom is likely heavily tranquilized.

I saw her too on Greta a little bit ago. Her eyes looked heavy like she was on something. I saw her dad earlier on Nancy Grace.. he is kinda... odd. IMO. I was reading Taylor's blog where she was posting her thoughts this past April and she was writing about how she was frightened of him. I noticed that.

Concerning her mom though.. if the cops had just found my kid in a shallow grave, dead.. i think i'd have to be knocked the hell out. I wouldn't be concerned about being on television... but that's me.

10-06-2005, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by betinasue
/QUOTE] according to what i read, it is confirmed that the body of taylor is confirmed, just not cause of death.

Correct. The cause of death has not yet been made public. Dr. Michael Baden, forensic Scientisc was on Fox earlier and he stated that they should be about half way through the autopsy by now. Hopefully in the moring we will know something.

SpikeyMikey

10-06-2005, 11:03 PM

Assuming from what has been said on the news – the two of them had sexual relations. Something I was wondering, not sure if it was brought up or not, but maybe she became pregnant and BF couldn’t handle the news?

10-07-2005, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by SpikeyMikey
Assuming from what has been said on the news – the two of them had sexual relations. Something I was wondering, not sure if it was brought up or not, but maybe she became pregnant and BF couldn’t handle the news?

That's possible.

The BiPolar thing interests me, about BF being BiPolar. I'm BiPolar and i just know that this guy.. if he is made a suspect and charged with her causing her death in a murderous fashion goes to trial.. then he will use that as an excuse and if he does i think it's a lame one. There are MILLIONS of people out there who are BiPolar and they don't murder people. It's true, there are different levels of the disorder and his was so bad he was collecting benefits from it and i have heard it mentioned many, many times on broadcasts that he had been off his meds for a while. Well, depending on how his meds effected him, it is possible that he actually was "medically insane" when and if he did do this. Going of your meds when your BiPolar can effect people in different ways. If i miss mine, i end up in the bed usually crying and thinkning of killing myself but still.. that is NO excuse. He should have been taking his damn medication!!! I'm gonna follow this one.. close. The BiPolar thing will come into play here... i know it will. It'll be used and that just stinks. It makes people everywhere who are BiPolar look insane.. which were NOT.

Blessed Be'

nibblet

10-07-2005, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by hamlet914

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I just watched Taylor's Mom on my local channel. She is very composed. I said to hubby, how can anyone go on TV when this has just happened to them? They asked if she's making funeral arrangements and she said yes. Where do you find the strength when something like that happens to you? I swear you would have to put me in the coffin with my daughter.

You just get through it...... thankfully... there is numbness....some unwavering strength that allows you to do all the things you know you HAVE to do for your child.... because you realize with ALL clarity....the last things..... are just as important......as the first things...... The hardest part truly is to remember how important all the things that happen in between are...... Because....... Goodbye here on earth.....is forever....

The heavens are crying.....for another child lost too soon.....

Janet :rose:
Taylor :rose:

Together Forever in Their Love.......

I hope I can express this so you'll understand what I mean.

If Janet doesn't experience the "meltdown" she has talked about in interviews then I hope she doesn't think there is something wrong with her.

I think the subconscience starts to prepare you - she went through 4 weeks of the first phase of hell. I think deep down she knew Taylor was gone - they were close; Taylor would have contacted her.

Have you ever lost someone who was sick for months and then they died but you couldn't grieve like you do when you lose someone immediately to something like an accident? It doesn't diminish the grief or the way you felt about the person who died - no matter how they died.

People have different reactions - between a combination of shock and your body/mind trying to protect you.

I know Janet - she is a strong person. Taylor was her life. She will never feel whole again.

Janet handled herself so well during all of this. I admire her for that.

I'm not the best at expressing myself so I hope this made sense...
:rose:

mystika

10-07-2005, 05:15 PM

sad news...

R.I.P. Taylor :rose:

AlkyBabe

10-08-2005, 06:16 AM

Seems like everytime I look up, it's time to post another rose for some young murder victim.

There was Slade Groene, whose death really shook me up. Then, soon after, Dylan Groene. Balled my eyes out and promised myself I'd never follow these types of cases again. Ever!

Got sucked into the Holloway disappearance so fast, I'm still not sure how it happened.

Then...LaToyia Figueroa.

Julie Popovich.

And now, the one who has fascinated me most. I'm almost alarmed at how attached I became to her so quickly, and through the media, no less. And just as I was furious over Slade Groene never getting to collect his lawn mowing fee from his neighbor, I am equally livid that this young lady came so close to her eighteenth birthday, but didn't make it.

Guess it's that time again....

:rose: For Taylor Marie Behl, 17 :rose:

Schadenfrau

10-08-2005, 03:51 PM

After a month, it's likely that soft tissue would still be left. A body doesn't fully dry out until about two months after death.

If Behl was strangled, it's possible that broken bones in her neck would indicate that.

Hey Paula

10-08-2005, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by SpikeyMikey
Assuming from what has been said on the news – the two of them had sexual relations. Something I was wondering, not sure if it was brought up or not, but maybe she became pregnant and BF couldn’t handle the news?

Hi SM!

Some of Taylor's friends are saying that she was about to end her relationship with BF.

You could be right, but somehow I think BF couldn't deal with his feelings of rejection and that'swhat I believe triggered the rage and Taylor's murder.

IMO

BFD - v2.0

10-08-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi SM!

Some of Taylor's friends are saying that she was about to end her relationship with BF.

You could be right, but somehow I think BF couldn't deal with his feelings of rejection and that'swhat I believe triggered the rage and Taylor's murder.

IMO

Which friends said she was going to "end the relationship" with Ben?

Schadenfrau

10-08-2005, 04:51 PM

A toxicology test would be able to determine if Behl was under the influence of drugs at the time of her death.

The only drug in which an overdose scenario makes much sense to me is heroin. I really hope Fawley just comes clean so everyone can put an end to the speculation.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Fawley's journals don't really indicate that he was overly obsessed with Taylor Behl. He was still ranting and raving about Erin Crabill until he was locked up and could rant and rave no more.

For whatever reason, the man seemed to enjoy a lot of female attention. Would the rejection of one girl be enough to drive him to murder?

nana2

10-08-2005, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by AvengingAngel

I wasn't thinking of od, but a reaction to drug use. Kinda like some famous cases where somebody had a heart attack after using coke. One of my ex's died of a heart attack after using cocaine.

I just have this nagging fear that the cause of death might not be determined. I guess I'll feel better when the results come out. I, along with so many other people that have been drawn to this case, want justice so bad I can taste it. very good!!! Im impressed!!
If Taylor had an undiagnosed heart problem, and dabbling in coke was the "highly illegal" thing she was going to try that night.....

that would make perfect sense, though it would behoove the boy(s) to come clean with this if it happened

PMcOuntry

10-08-2005, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by AvengingAngel
The authorities have described Taylor's remains as "mostly skeletal". Can anyone tell me what this implies about the evidence they can collect? Can they tell if she was pregnant? If any drug use was involved? How hard is it to even determine cause of death?

If she died of a reaction to drug use, how could they determine this from "mostly skeletal" remains??

Same thing for if BF strangled her. How could they tell, if no soft tissue remains?

I'm not expert in this, you could probably google it, I could ask one of my proffesors though. I think you can get some indication from the bones, basically, our bones tell stories, everything we do (trauma wise) effects them. They can test any clothing found for DNA, and hopefully, part of her stomach area or something was still there? They can also get DNA from the bones.

PMcOuntry

10-08-2005, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by nana2
very good!!! Im impressed!!
If Taylor had an undiagnosed heart problem, and dabbling in coke was the "highly illegal" thing she was going to try that night.....

that would make perfect sense, though it would behoove the boy(s) to come clean with this if it happened

If it were accidental, I think there would be more of a chance someone would have called 911, even anonymously and said, my friend quit breathing, etc. Then leave the scene and let the paramedics deal w/it.

PMcOuntry

10-08-2005, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Which friends said she was going to "end the relationship" with Ben?

What relationship? They weren't even dating, she was dating some Jake guy, whom her mom said was her first "real love" and "real boyfriend". And of course we know they broke up.

Schadenfrau

10-08-2005, 06:41 PM

Hadn't Taylor Behl only been dating this Jake person for two weeks or so?

Ben Fawley obviously had a fear of the legal system, so it does make some sense that he wouldn't have made a 911 call if anything accidental happened.

BFD - v2.0

10-08-2005, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by PMcOuntry

What relationship? They weren't even dating, she was dating some Jake guy, whom her mom said was her first "real love" and "real boyfriend". And of course we know they broke up.

The fact that we have now posted to each is one form of a relationship.

The word relationship does not equate to "dating".

But if you notice, I was using the verbiage from the poster I was replying to.