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BFD - v2.0

10-06-2005, 12:09 AM

I'll tell you what concerns me.

Ben was busy taking down all sorts of photos and postings from numerous websites.

Why leave up the photos of the dump spot, but take down other photos totally unrelated to the crime?

I know some people want to think of him trying to taunt or play with the police.

I can't quite agree with that. He obviously removed other things for a particular reason. But not these? I guess it's possible he could get a kick out of this, but it doesn't make sense as to why he would remove the other photos and postings.

I think they need to cross all of the "t's" and dot all of the "i's" to ensure that the person who actually lived on the property at one time has an airtight alibi.

lady rahza

10-06-2005, 12:19 AM

NancynNC

10-06-2005, 12:33 AM

On MSNBC tonight I noticed the white barked trees in the video of the search. The picture of Taylor with her Doo Wop shirt has those trees in the background. Seems like the same place.

Anni

10-06-2005, 02:39 AM

socialogical, thanks for the link, that is so creepy
and

to BFD, it might be as simple as him just overlooking this pic?

Schadenfrau

10-06-2005, 03:08 AM

Fawley could have simply removed references to Behl for the benefit of internet followers, but thought removing photos of the drop spot would appear suspicious to police.

Victim's Cry

10-06-2005, 04:21 AM

Moron doesnt describe it.

Stuck on stupid is too kind.

What i dont get...is how he could be so absolutely dumb as to bury her in a place that people know he is affiliated with. Even if he didnt have pics on the web, he KNEW that erin knew, and if the story about a family friend owning it is true then its beyond dumb

ACRES of woods around there and he buries her right on the property??????

imo

marabeth

10-06-2005, 04:46 AM

starling

10-06-2005, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by sociological
http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

Thanks

TN_Profiler

10-06-2005, 08:41 AM

Focus Factor - I completely agree with your comment regarding Erin Crabell. If that was her families property, then the placement of the body is not random at all. With the countless places to put a body between Richmond and this place ...... there was obvious intent with the selection of burial.

The depths of his anger is now for all to see. How twisted could one person possibly be in order to do something like this? The only thing to hope for now is a thorough investigation and air tight prosecution so the punishment can fit the crime.

How tragic. How senseless. How sad.

trich

10-06-2005, 08:52 AM

If murderers were so smart they would not murder in the
first place.

BevAnn

10-06-2005, 09:33 AM

Socio - GREAT work! I'm impressed! I did not ever see that particular picture in all BF's pics...but there were so many to wade through!

IF this is Erin's parent's place - then it does appear he did this as a revenge type deal. HOW twisted must you be??! I mean, seriously, this guy is off. And as far as that goes, it accomplished his goal - IF it is her parent's land, he directly put Erin and her family in the lime light, and murder investigation. Whether she was involved or not (which I think she had no idea) he first involved her by saying she had him jumped that night (how convenient was that story?!) and now the body is possibly on her land. Thank GOD this guy is locked up.

So, my question is this - how did Taylor's death come to be - he got angry for whatever?? and accidentally went haywire, killed her, and then thought...hey, I can bury her on Erin's parent land and reallllly get back at Erin? OR did he set out to kill her to mess with Erin from the getgo??

Bev Ann
:rose: for Taylor

BFD - v2.0

10-06-2005, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by BevAnn
Socio - GREAT work! I'm impressed! I did not ever see that particular picture in all BF's pics...but there were so many to wade through!

IF this is Erin's parent's place - then it does appear he did this as a revenge type deal. HOW twisted must you be??! I mean, seriously, this guy is off. And as far as that goes, it accomplished his goal - IF it is her parent's land, he directly put Erin and her family in the lime light, and murder investigation. Whether she was involved or not (which I think she had no idea) he first involved her by saying she had him jumped that night (how convenient was that story?!) and now the body is possibly on her land. Thank GOD this guy is locked up.

So, my question is this - how did Taylor's death come to be - he got angry for whatever?? and accidentally went haywire, killed her, and then thought...hey, I can bury her on Erin's parent land and reallllly get back at Erin? OR did he set out to kill her to mess with Erin from the getgo??

Bev Ann
:rose: for Taylor

I think what you're saying is very likely, but you need to keep in mind that more people than just Ben Fawley were friends with Taylor and Erin at the same time.

More people than just Ben Fawley knew the location of Erin's place in Diggs.

I'm not one to give everyone else a free pass and just say "Ben did it". They need to ensure that EVERYONE is accounted for and all people checked out thoroughly.

Ben's background is not the only sketchy one in this case.

BevAnn

10-06-2005, 09:48 AM

BFD - you're absolutely correct. I do have to wonder - let's just go with that it's BF....how did her car come to be where it was found?? Calculated parking by BF?? Or is there truly some one else involved??

Bev Ann

BFD - v2.0

10-06-2005, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by BevAnn
BFD - you're absolutely correct. I do have to wonder - let's just go with that it's BF....how did her car come to be where it was found?? Calculated parking by BF?? Or is there truly some one else involved??

Bev Ann

Ben used to live right near the area the car was found.

Crime Library's Map (http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/taylor_behl/maps.html)

If you look on the map, you can see everything is in close proximity.

But, I will also say (without giving names or addresses) that other people associated with this group of people live right in the area the car was found as well.

starling

10-06-2005, 11:37 AM

Thank Focus...wow, those pictures

this article confirms the same~
http://www.nbc4.com/news/5065485/detail.html
The search turned up a Web page entitled, "Deviant Art," which contains pictures from photographer Ben Fawley, News4 reported. On the Web page are photos of a farmhouse that is approximately the same age and architectural style as the building on the property where the remains were found. One picture contains the caption, "I saw this on May 15 with someone special."...........
Sources told News4 that the remains were found near property owned by one of Fawley's ex-girlfriend's parents.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by sociological
http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/ I don't believe this is the same house as the one that is the crime scene. If you go to the sticky "thread for links" and look at page 4, the NBC4 link, you will see a picture of the house. Unless there is more than one house on tihs property, this is not the same house. One has a chimney, one does not.

I saw the picture where Ben refers to the place as "Home Sweet Home", and I think he was being sarcastic.

Someone give me your opinion please. They are different houses are they not.

As I said, one has a chimney, and looks like a trailer "attached" to it. The other does not. Am I missing something?

sociological

10-06-2005, 01:43 PM

ea- you are missing something. This house is not exactly where the body was found- it seems to be at the entrance to the property where the body was found. The arial shot is from the news report and if you see the entire shot, there are many official cars and an ambulance around the house, as well as police barricades for stopping any unauthorized persons onto the property. That said- the picture in the arial news shot shows the EXACT SAME HOUSE that bf had a picture of on his website. This, to me, proves that he is familiar with the property and has some affinity to it. That's all. I don't know what you are thinking.... look at the pictures- they both have chimneys, a trailor... even the brush is the same- and the electric wire. I know these abandoned country houses tend to get monotonous, but c'mon!

TwoCentsWorth

10-06-2005, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
I'll tell you what concerns me.

Ben was busy taking down all sorts of photos and postings from numerous websites.

Why leave up the photos of the dump spot, but take down other photos totally unrelated to the crime?

I know some people want to think of him trying to taunt or play with the police.

I can't quite agree with that. He obviously removed other things for a particular reason. But not these? I guess it's possible he could get a kick out of this, but it doesn't make sense as to why he would remove the other photos and postings.

I think they need to cross all of the "t's" and dot all of the "i's" to ensure that the person who actually lived on the property at one time has an airtight alibi.

They sure do BFD. And if anyone has read his journals they would see that he took the photos down of the females due to the attention they were receiving. He also had to move his website due to traffic it seems. (Bandwith issues?)

I think he did not remove these because he is not involved. I'd like to know when that body was buried there. I'd also like to know if police are investigating EC at all. If Ben thinks she was behind the attack the night he was abducted perhaps she is responsible for far more than that. It's no secret Ben tired to cause a few problems for her over the pictures he took of her. And it's also no secret he was with her in May taking photos along the route where the body was found. And Taylor visited in April. Hmmmmm. And how does the skateboarder figure into all of this? What was the "highly illegal" thing Taylor was going to do that night? If this skateboarder is telling the truth he also claimed that Ben visited him at work on that Thursday (the 8th?) to see if he knew where Taylor was and who the other skatebaorder was.

starling

10-06-2005, 02:13 PM

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 02:47 PM

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by TwoCentsWorth

They sure do BFD. And if anyone has read his journals they would see that he took the photos down of the females due to the attention they were receiving. He also had to move his website due to traffic it seems. (Bandwith issues?)

I think he did not remove these because he is not involved. I'd like to know when that body was buried there. I'd also like to know if police are investigating EC at all. If Ben thinks she was behind the attack the night he was abducted perhaps she is responsible for far more than that. It's no secret Ben tired to cause a few problems for her over the pictures he took of her. And it's also no secret he was with her in May taking photos along the route where the body was found. And Taylor visited in April. Hmmmmm. And how does the skateboarder figure into all of this? What was the "highly illegal" thing Taylor was going to do that night? If this skateboarder is telling the truth he also claimed that Ben visited him at work on that Thursday (the 8th?) to see if he knew where Taylor was and who the other skatebaorder was.

You can't ignore his criminal past, including assaults and breaking into a former GF's house w/hammer and mace, he has violent tendencies, it appears that some of her jewlrey, maybe clothes were in his apt. I would like to know more about the guy she went skateboarding w/though. Did he not report he walked her back to her dorm or something?

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by sociological
ea- you are missing something. This house is not exactly where the body was found- it seems to be at the entrance to the property where the body was found. The arial shot is from the news report and if you see the entire shot, there are many official cars and an ambulance around the house, as well as police barricades for stopping any unauthorized persons onto the property. That said- the picture in the arial news shot shows the EXACT SAME HOUSE that bf had a picture of on his website. This, to me, proves that he is familiar with the property and has some affinity to it. That's all. I don't know what you are thinking.... look at the pictures- they both have chimneys, a trailor... even the brush is the same- and the electric wire. I know these abandoned country houses tend to get monotonous, but c'mon! I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I don't believe this is the same house as the one that is the crime scene. If you go to the sticky "thread for links" and look at page 4, the NBC4 link, you will see a picture of the house. Unless there is more than one house on tihs property, this is not the same house. One has a chimney, one does not.

I saw the picture where Ben refers to the place as "Home Sweet Home", and I think he was being sarcastic.

Someone give me your opinion please. They are different houses are they not.

As I said, one has a chimney, and looks like a trailer "attached" to it. The other does not. Am I missing something?

That has to be the same house... does that site say when he posted that picture? There is of course, if I play devil's advocate, the remote possibility he was framed, and if they knew that picture was taken and where the place was... hypothetically speaking of course. I think forensic evidence will prove otherwise. For a streetwise girl, I have no doubt she fought back and will perhaps have some evidence on her body to tie in to the murderer.

starling

10-06-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

http://tinypic.com/eafxhi.jpg

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

Look again, there is a chimmney, if you go back to the first post on this thread, where someone was kind enough to post the photo's side by side.

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

Here's the link you want:

http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

You can even see the police tape.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by starling

is this the photo you are talking about?
http://tinypic.com/eafxhi.jpg I haven't been able to access that link. Did you go to page 4 of the sticky at the top "thread to links". The pictures there look much different than the one at the beginning of this thread. JMO.

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by PMcOuntry

Here's the link you want:

http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

You can even see the police tape. Thanks. I have seen this one. My only point was that the one MSNBC posted looks much different. Maybe they are the ones that are wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. LOL.

CardShark

10-06-2005, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

I think you're looking at the aerial photo that catches mostly the roof of a barn that is on the property at this abandoned farm. I believe the little shack with the travel trailer from skulz photo bucket is on the same property; but not visible in that particular photo.

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 03:03 PM

My guess is all 3 buildings are on the same property. ie, abandoned farm probabably. Hence, why we see 3 different buildings in 2 different pictures. The entire propety would be a crime scene.

starling

10-06-2005, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by PMcOuntry

Here's the link you want:

http://home.comcast.net/~perrytg/bf.bs/

You can even see the police tape.

I think Dunlurkin meant this photo (which is in the top of forum link-sticky)
http://tinypic.com/eafxhi.jpg
Are all these buildings on this same property? One looks like a barn. They all appear weathered the same. At any rate, this ariel photo was in the article along with info that her body was found.

IF this is not what Dunlurkin meant...I give up
~S

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by CardShark

I think you're looking at the aerial photo that catches mostly the roof of a barn that is on the property at this abandoned farm. I believe the little shack with the travel trailer from skulz photo bucket is on the same property; but not visible in that particular photo. thank you, thank you, thank you. I knew they looked different.

so the little shack with the chimney and trailer is on the property where other buildings are. Okay, now I got it.

10-06-2005, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Moron doesnt describe it.

Stuck on stupid is too kind.

What i dont get...is how he could be so absolutely dumb as to bury her in a place that people know he is affiliated with. Even if he didnt have pics on the web, he KNEW that erin knew, and if the story about a family friend owning it is true then its beyond dumb

ACRES of woods around there and he buries her right on the property??????

imo Whoooa, horsie! What happened to IUPG?

I'm not ready to buy this theory, yet. Yeh, the guy's a weirdo, but there are other possibilities.

One thing that bothers me about this guy is that he changed his appearance after the crime was committed. That's a point that Ressler and many other profilers say is one aspect of the true perp's behavior.

Actually, we don't even know if only one perp is involved, yet.

Another thing I am wondering about is if this property is a teen hang-out, for drinking, partying, etc. Every town usually has one.
And how about that skate-boarder?

A few days is not too long to wait for forensics, I'm waiting for more information.

JMO

TwoCentsWorth

10-06-2005, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by PMcOuntry

You can't ignore his criminal past, including assaults and breaking into a former GF's house w/hammer and mace, he has violent tendencies, it appears that some of her jewlrey, maybe clothes were in his apt. I would like to know more about the guy she went skateboarding w/though. Did he not report he walked her back to her dorm or something?

Taylor's jewelry and clothing? Her mother has already stated none of the items found in his apartment were Taylor's. Those jewelry items are common among goths.

MaxwellSmart

10-06-2005, 03:33 PM

Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo

Dunlurken

10-06-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart
Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo Now he reminds me of Scott Peterson. Goatee and all.

BevAnn

10-06-2005, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart
Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo

OMG!! I thought the SAME thing!! when his pic first pulled up, I had to do a double take!! I thought it WAS Johnny Depp!!

Bev Ann

NancynNC

10-06-2005, 04:40 PM

Sorry I do not have a link but Taylor's dad said when he met Ben in Feb. he had green hair. I think it is nothing new for him to change his appearance. IMO

10-06-2005, 05:16 PM

Catherine Crier now...they're discussing possibly "multiple indictments." The clip of Taylor's mom's statement was shown, in which she spoke of the perp(s) in plural terms.

IMO

10-06-2005, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart
Challenger -
NOT defending BF here, but he changed his appearance a lot. it seemed every pic i saw of him he had a new hair color. this last change, it looked as though he chopped off all his blonde, leaving him with the short dark hair, the goatee had been growing, as it can be seen in some of the long blonde pics.
What struck me was, holy maroney does he ever look like Depp now with the clean cut dark hair and chin scrubble.
Taylor mentions her fondness of Johnny Depp on her web postings.
What does this mean? I dunno!

jmo Okey-dokey, thanks. Still think it strange that he now looks more "normal", no green hair, etc.

IMO

MaxwellSmart

10-06-2005, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Challenger2
Okey-dokey, thanks. Still think it strange that he now looks more "normal", no green hair, etc.

IMO

Luckily no orange either, gag.
I'm guessing, he knew her fondness of Depp, and that is why I think he went with this particular look. I don't know how to word what I am thinking here --- If he's guilty, a thumb the nose thing. If he by some bizarre twist did not kill Taylor, and she was missing, and he was worried, a symbolism / tribute sort of thing? Dunno if that makes sense -- but I think the dark hair choice was to increase his resemblance to Depp, moreso than to look normal.

Nancy - yes her Dad mentioned the hair from his meeting Ben, I remember that too. He was saying --- he seemed ok, did not raise Dad's hackles, polite, invited him in, etc, just had weird hair, and looked much younger than his true age. Dad did not know as he dropped Taylor off, that Ben was 38, he guessed he was in his mid to late 20s.
jmo

M&M Girl

10-06-2005, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Veracity

OK 2cents - I'll play. I had my momentary lapse of sanity and I am most grateful the BFD and TN_P and Focus brought me back to the REAL WORLD.

I am not fan of EC BUT why would EC dump a body on her own family's property when it would make much more sense to dump it near Ben's. Nope doesn't add up at all to me.

You mention Ben's claims that EC was behind his abduction(s) remember there were two, supposedly. IF you stand back for a long view you see a man who has a genuine hatred for EC and at every turn he tries to insert himself in her life by saying she did it to me and that to me online (forever forging a bond) and off line by the police reports that keep drawing her back to his world. I see not a shred of evidence on any of her sites or any police reports or investigative reporting that would even open the door to her trying to insert herself in his world.

Here is one very significant link - BEN SAID IN ONE OF HIS RANTS ABOUT THE PORN STAR EC THAT HER FAMILY DID NOT HAVE A CLUE WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE WAS DOING.

Well what better way for Ben to really drill it home than to dump a body on the property where he himself took photos of Erin? Her family will have to learn Ben's "TRUTH"- that he believes the family knows nothing of their sweet little daughter flying all over the country to model for weird bondage/nude photos and then publishes many on the internet. Ben even tried to LOUDSPEAKER that Erin worked as a PORN STAR over the internet! And he used her real name and apparently one of her 'stage name'- over and over and over! He was apparently really trying to OUT her on the net.

As far as the skateboarder and the highly illegal comment Taylor offered - just too little to know yet. Why wuld she make that statement to a skateboarder. I could guess she had planned to skateboard somewhere illegal. That would make sense. We just don't know.

But Ben showing up and asking questions of Kevin on the 8th makes perfect sense to me. Logically he was trying to get as much info as possible on the skateboarders. They helped set Taylor's timeline and Ben needed as much information as he could get to try and construct an alibi, see what Taylor told him, and create for the police new suspects.

How did I do?

Veracity,
I think you're right on, I posted earlier that I thought 2 or more were involved in a possible gang rape thing, but maybe your right about him making this into an obessive thing a solo act. It's all just so sad...

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Challenger2
Catherine Crier now...they're discussing possibly "multiple indictments." The clip of Taylor's mom's statement was shown, in which she spoke of the perp(s) in plural terms.

IMO

Who else are they looking at then? The guy who's house the dogs led them too? The ex boyfriend she had dinner with? One of the skateboarders?

PMcOuntry

10-06-2005, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by TwoCentsWorth

Taylor's jewelry and clothing? Her mother has already stated none of the items found in his apartment were Taylor's. Those jewelry items are common among goths.

I had not heard that statement. She had said she was interested in seeing the one peice of jewlrey bc of the bike chain link or something.

MaxwellSmart

10-06-2005, 09:58 PM

Veracity -
That was an excellent post!
I think you've helped clear some of my confusion as well -- Him inserting in her life, her NOT inserting in his life.
Her parents not having a clue, etc.
Thanks for widening my view here!
jmo

TN_Profiler

10-07-2005, 11:46 AM

Varacity - very well done.

I was thinking about her comment regarding doing something "highly illegal." That could be almost anything but the scenario in my mind that woke me from a dead sleep was this:

Did Ben plan on burning one of the old buildings on the farm property? You know how much he is infatuated with fire and his hatred of Erin. If Taylor had been on that property before she would have known they were unoccupied buildings, possibly making it appealing to her since no one would get hurt. Ben may have planned on taking a few pics of the fire before hightailing it back to Richmond. I know this sounds like a stretch but then again BF is a very bizarre person.

My gut feeling tells me she was assaulted and killed on that property. What is not clear to me is why she went there (assuming she was alive when she got there) which is what my above scenario tries to answer. I feel very strongly that she was duped into going or taken there against her will.

LT7660

10-07-2005, 12:09 PM

whew! let me see if we can get rid of that wide screen!

BevAnn

10-07-2005, 12:16 PM

Man, this screen is alll messed up!! lol

ok, let's go with this - she goes WILLINGLY to do the "illegal" activity (and i'm not so sure we should put much stock into this supposed statement, it is heresay). But she goes willingly. They get there, the plan is to burn down the house. So - what went wrong that resulted in her death? She changed her mind at the last minute? Wanted out? Would that make him angry enough to KILL her?

Bev Ann

memap1965

10-07-2005, 12:23 PM

He is the spitting image of depp in several of the pictures i've seen, absolutly no resemblence to petterson.
from KaleKona

I thought the exact same thing! And, if I remember correctly, Taylor Behl had a "thing" for Johnny Depp. That would probably explain her tendency to want to hang around someone like Ben Fawley.

Anubis

10-07-2005, 12:35 PM

In regards to the "highly illegal" comment...

What if she had decided to do drugs with Fawley and Schultz? That would be highly illegal. She could have overdosed and they tried to cover it up. They could have dumped the body there because at the time it was the only place they could think of...If they were high on cocaine, they wouldn't have been thinking clearly. That could've been why Jesse's scent was in the car...

They could've gone to the farm to do the drugs. Anything could've happened.

Just speculation of course. I'm of the personal opinion that Ben did this alone. Other people might know about it and are protecting him, but I think he is ultimately responsible.

It creeps me out just knowing that I sat face to face with this guy and now he's a suspect in this case...

BevAnn

10-07-2005, 12:46 PM

Anubis - well now you've left yourself wide open!!

You have met Ben Fawley?? When, where?? We NEED details!! lol

Cocaine - other than the charge made against the one guy, not much else is mentioned. WAS BF a user?? Any fact to back that up?

Thanks for your insight!

Bev Ann

Anubis

10-07-2005, 12:54 PM

Haha. I've been keeping up with this case for days now. I just realized today that I could post on this message board! I guess I didn't think about it before...

First a bit about myself: I am 23 years old and live in Richmond. I have met Ben once (briefly, thank goodness) and many other people connected to the case that I won't mention.

Basically, Ben is a pathological liar. When I met him, we helped him dye his hair green (a friend of mine was dying hers pink). We all came over and played hair salon and I ended up talking to Ben extensively on quite a few subjects, including his sexual proclivities and criminal past. Most of it was him talking of course, as he is VERY self-important and self-absorbed. He struck me as rather strange (38 years old and hanging out with teenagers??).
I didn't believe a word he said...Apparently he has: Met Ben Affleck, was a professional photographer in Hollywood, is an ex-con for car theft (which isn't a big secret now), has slept with hundreds of women, had a threesome with some young girls the night before (yeah right), and has a thing for skinny girls with "hips showing". I remember all of this clearly because at the time, I actually thought he was a bit cute (like Johnny Depp). UGH.

I decided to leave soon after we finished dying everyone's hair because I got bored, and quite frankly, I was tired of hearing Ben talk about himself.

His apartment/room whatever is in a basement area. It's not very pretty or spacious. Just a simple brick basement area with concrete floor and a couple of small rooms. Not unusual for the downtown area. I am also acquainted with the people who used to room there (I'm not going to mention any names), one of whom moved out soon after this encounter (probably because Ben was too weird for him!).

Anubis

10-07-2005, 01:04 PM

Without mentioning names, I'm sure Ben and quite a few others have used drugs before or on a regular basis. There are a lot of people in downtown Richmond who are into the drug scene...

I do not have any solid facts to back that up.

guineaneck

10-07-2005, 01:49 PM

A lot of people have included in posts that the body was found on Erin's family's property. I do not believe that is the case. Her family lives very nearby, maybe owning adjacent property, or may have owned this property at one time.
I'm one of the Gloucester people on this board (halh-hour away) and will try to get to the Mathews courthouse by Monday to check the ownership out, as many are proposing that it is involved in motive.

kbean520

10-07-2005, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by memap1965
He is the spitting image of depp in several of the pictures i've seen, absolutly no resemblence to petterson.
from KaleKona

I thought the exact same thing! And, if I remember correctly, Taylor Behl had a "thing" for Johnny Depp. That would probably explain her tendency to want to hang around someone like Ben Fawley.

I think he looks like river pheonix:hat:

PMcOuntry

10-07-2005, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Anubis
In regards to the "highly illegal" comment...

What if she had decided to do drugs with Fawley and Schultz? That would be highly illegal. She could have overdosed and they tried to cover it up. They could have dumped the body there because at the time it was the only place they could think of...If they were high on cocaine, they wouldn't have been thinking clearly. That could've been why Jesse's scent was in the car...

They could've gone to the farm to do the drugs. Anything could've happened.

Just speculation of course. I'm of the personal opinion that Ben did this alone. Other people might know about it and are protecting him, but I think he is ultimately responsible.

It creeps me out just knowing that I sat face to face with this guy and now he's a suspect in this case...

I like your theory on drugs, could be... they will know by taking tests, or should. I'm not sure about Jesse and I believe they have now mentioned there were 3 guys skateboarding w/her, and Ian, Jesse and the cook at the cafe.

Chloe G.

10-07-2005, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Anubis
Haha. I've been keeping up with this case for days now. I just realized today that I could post on this message board! I guess I didn't think about it before...

First a bit about myself: I am 23 years old and live in Richmond. I have met Ben once (briefly, thank goodness) and many other people connected to the case that I won't mention.

Basically, Ben is a pathological liar. When I met him, we helped him dye his hair green (a friend of mine was dying hers pink). We all came over and played hair salon and I ended up talking to Ben extensively on quite a few subjects, including his sexual proclivities and criminal past. Most of it was him talking of course, as he is VERY self-important and self-absorbed. He struck me as rather strange (38 years old and hanging out with teenagers??).
I didn't believe a word he said...Apparently he has: Met Ben Affleck, was a professional photographer in Hollywood, is an ex-con for car theft (which isn't a big secret now), has slept with hundreds of women, had a threesome with some young girls the night before (yeah right), and has a thing for skinny girls with "hips showing". I remember all of this clearly because at the time, I actually thought he was a bit cute (like Johnny Depp). UGH.

I decided to leave soon after we finished dying everyone's hair because I got bored, and quite frankly, I was tired of hearing Ben talk about himself.

His apartment/room whatever is in a basement area. It's not very pretty or spacious. Just a simple brick basement area with concrete floor and a couple of small rooms. Not unusual for the downtown area. I am also acquainted with the people who used to room there (I'm not going to mention any names), one of whom moved out soon after this encounter (probably because Ben was too weird for him!).

actually, while going thru livejournal users that were ben's friends, i found a girl that has (or had) it bad for ben. she even wrote about ben, jennifer and her having a threesome! if i can find her again, i'll post a link.....

chloe

10-07-2005, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by guineaneck
A lot of people have included in posts that the body was found on Erin's family's property. I do not believe that is the case. Her family lives very nearby, maybe owning adjacent property, or may have owned this property at one time.
I'm one of the Gloucester people on this board (halh-hour away) and will try to get to the Mathews courthouse by Monday to check the ownership out, as many are proposing that it is involved in motive. Thanks for your info, it's much appreciated.

Can you tell me if this abandoned farm was known as a teen hang-out, for partying, etc.?

Mari512002

10-07-2005, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Dunlurken
I'll look again. But the arial view does not appear to have a chimney. And one looks extremely larger than the other. JMO.

I thought they were 2 different pics at first glance, the aerial view shows a dip in the roof and I didn't see the trailer til I went back and really looked.

The sweet home pic was taken from a different angle, maybe off the paved road. {upper portion of the aerial pic}

Looks like the same house to me at second look.

MaxwellSmart

10-07-2005, 07:58 PM

Monroe confirmed that VCU detectives who located Behl's body were led to a farm in Mathews by Fawley's ex-girlfriend, whose family owns property adjacent to where the body was found.
...in woods behind a barn on a private farm...
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785493173

I read earlier that there was one man who lived alone in this farm, but can't find it now --- does anyone know?

There is more detail in this link, but it is not pleasant...
http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=3948726&nav=0Rcx

I think many people are referring to it as Erin's family property for simplicity --- the actual spot is not on their land, but very close by.
jmo

nibblet

10-07-2005, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Anubis
Haha. I've been keeping up with this case for days now. I just realized today that I could post on this message board! I guess I didn't think about it before...

First a bit about myself: I am 23 years old and live in Richmond. I have met Ben once (briefly, thank goodness) and many other people connected to the case that I won't mention.

Basically, Ben is a pathological liar. When I met him, we helped him dye his hair green (a friend of mine was dying hers pink). We all came over and played hair salon and I ended up talking to Ben extensively on quite a few subjects, including his sexual proclivities and criminal past. Most of it was him talking of course, as he is VERY self-important and self-absorbed. He struck me as rather strange (38 years old and hanging out with teenagers??).
I didn't believe a word he said...Apparently he has: Met Ben Affleck, was a professional photographer in Hollywood, is an ex-con for car theft (which isn't a big secret now), has slept with hundreds of women, had a threesome with some young girls the night before (yeah right), and has a thing for skinny girls with "hips showing". I remember all of this clearly because at the time, I actually thought he was a bit cute (like Johnny Depp). UGH.

I decided to leave soon after we finished dying everyone's hair because I got bored, and quite frankly, I was tired of hearing Ben talk about himself.

His apartment/room whatever is in a basement area. It's not very pretty or spacious. Just a simple brick basement area with concrete floor and a couple of small rooms. Not unusual for the downtown area. I am also acquainted with the people who used to room there (I'm not going to mention any names), one of whom moved out soon after this encounter (probably because Ben was too weird for him!).

Anubis - I'm glad your radar was working with regards to BF. I wish dear Taylor's radar had been up and she never hooked up with him.

:)

nibblet

10-07-2005, 08:11 PM

Just read the following on RWV:

5:30 PM Update: ABC Channel 7 News in Wash., DC

Police believe Taylor died in Matthews County. Police sources told ABC7 that Fawley could be facing even more charges. Police have found a gun in his apartment and he's not allowed to have one because of prior conviction.

I'm not going to go to that place of intense hatred for him - I'll let the icon do it....

:flamemad:

Matt Behl is on Nancy Grace now. He talked about the LiveJournal - how people have to be careful of what they write on the internet as predators are reading what they post.

NancynNC

10-07-2005, 10:40 PM

Can Erin the Porn model get the reward??

I hope not.

PMcOuntry

10-07-2005, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC
Can Erin the Porn model get the reward??

I hope not.

Ugh, what a thought.

lisann8502

10-07-2005, 10:53 PM

Call me STU PID...but why do these guys feel compelled to murder these girls...be it Taylor Behl, Natalee, Laci....It's so beyond my comprehension....something is very wrong in this world in which we are living today..there is no more respect for humanity (human life)...WTF are we breeding today?

Sorry, I'm not only upset, but non-understanding....and full of rebellion for these totally "unnnecessary' murders....

Did NO ONE suspect this pervert might "go off?" He collected "nutso disability"...why wasn't he FORCED to get help rather than depend on the system for money but not change?

I give up....

Hey Paula

10-07-2005, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Anni
socialogical, thanks for the link, that is so creepy
and

to BFD, it might be as simple as him just overlooking this pic?

Or BF might have been using reverse psychology, thinking LE would focus on the pics he removed, believing those to be the incriminating ones.

I recall reading comments like "I think you're all stupid" in a few places on the web where Skulz posted.

Maybe he thought he was smarter than everyone.

PMcOuntry

10-07-2005, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by lisann8502
Call me STU PID...but why do these guys feel compelled to murder these girls...be it Taylor Behl, Natalee, Laci....It's so beyond my comprehension....something is very wrong in this world in which we are living today..there is no more respect for humanity (human life)...WTF are we breeding today?

Sorry, I'm not only upset, but non-understanding....and full of rebellion for these totally "unnnecessary' murders....

Did NO ONE suspect this pervert might "go off?" He collected "nutso disability"...why wasn't he FORCED to get help rather than depend on the system for money but not change?

I give up....

There really aren't any more murders, serial killers, rapist, etc. today than there were "yesterday", it's just that today we have more media to tell us about it, the internet, the tv, worldwide newspapers you can buy down the street. Before all that, it was happening, but no one to report on it. There was probably MORE physical abuse, rape, etc. because back then, women did not go to police when abused, if their child was being molested, they didn't report it for fear of scandal or for fear that nothing could be done or would be done. The world has not changed all that much in terms of crime, we just "know" about it now.

Bluprint

10-07-2005, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by kalekona
But the more important part of the aswer to your question goes all the way back to the days of Ronald Regan when he closed the mental hospitals dumping people out into the streets, we have never recovered. You wonder why we have so many homeless, and so many murders commited by people clearly very netally ill. Now we may have come a long way toward understanding we are still faster to throw medication at the problem and not getting to the core problem.

So true! A lot of Cal's state hospitals were closed and our mentally ill were placed in residential facilities. Umm, okay! That just gave them the freedom they thought they needed. Add the 72 hr hold on most mental cases + the lack of funds for open beds and staffing... we have our current problem. No $$$, no solution. Sucks.

I'm curious as to how Ben was able to get a Rx for Oxycontin. Then again, you can order Rx online now without a doctor's order. Other than that, Ben was probably getting a Zoloft (happy pill) refill every 90 days. I have a personal friend on Zoloft and when he goes off his meds, his thoughts are irrational and depressed. He even jokes that he needs his happy pill just to function. Apparently he does. My friend is diagnosed with Asperger syndrome (a slight form of autism) which Bill Gates and other recluses are rumored to suffer from. Ben might be one of them.

More info on Asperger here (http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html)

BFD - v2.0

10-08-2005, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by PMcOuntry

There really aren't any more murders, serial killers, rapist, etc. today than there were "yesterday", it's just that today we have more media to tell us about it, the internet, the tv, worldwide newspapers you can buy down the street. Before all that, it was happening, but no one to report on it. There was probably MORE physical abuse, rape, etc. because back then, women did not go to police when abused, if their child was being molested, they didn't report it for fear of scandal or for fear that nothing could be done or would be done. The world has not changed all that much in terms of crime, we just "know" about it now.

A meteorologist recently gave an interview regarding the hurricanes of late.

When asked why we're seeing more hurricanes than ever before he answered with this: "There aren't more hurricanes, there are just more hurricanes on television".

He went through and described hurricane patterns and how we had a lack of reporting in the past.

Think about the fact that the vast majority of us on this forum grew up with 2 or 3 television stations we had access to (before cable came about). As cable television has expanded so has the coverage of things that have always been happening in the past.

And of course the internet has helped spawn a deluge of information. Covering anything a person can think of.

MaxwellSmart

10-08-2005, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by lady rahza
I wonder who lived there?
.................................................. .................................................. ....Sources close to the investigation tell 8news the property belongs to parents of a friend of Ben Fawley. Nearby residents could only tell us a single man has been living in the house for years, they were shocked to watch their quiet road become the center of the investigation into Taylor's disappearance.
Here it is! Back on that lovely wide page ---

lady rahza - Was this an online article? Have we heard any more on the resident? Just wondering as it is often referred to as abandoned property, and I was under the impression it is not.

Bluprint

10-08-2005, 03:24 AM

Could the single man living on the property have been Ben? I mean since he didn't own his own car, it wouldn't be surprising for neighbors to see him in different cars every time he arrived. Wait no, that doesn't make sense. He hasn't known Erin that long.

When I first saw Ben's photobucket acct with the John Deere for sale and after reading about his knack for electronics, I was wondering if he got that thing moving and well...

Also, we know the house wasn't completely abandoned because back in May '05 when he took those photos of the lush green woods and the woodsy road, his caption reads [sic] "I got up earlier than the rest to go for a walk... to take photos." Strange how Ben also went "for a ride" right around the time the Taylor's showed up. He says a "new friend" took him driving and taking photos. I think it was CelicaGirl. Then they went to the Maymont outdoor exhibits and he's taking photos of wildlife and animals and tramping thru underbrush and whatnot. I think this was to give himself a reason to have soiled clothing and leafy shoes because he had gone back to visit the crime scene. This was the 19th of Sept. 60% of his online sites went down after this. After realizing how much of a "paper trail" he'd left. It's all there. Cryptic and puzzling, just waiting to be solved. Wanna know something funny? So we know Ben's pc's were confiscated right? Well, on one of his blogs (LiveJournal I think) he complains about losing his password and not being able to log back on. Uhh, photobucket anyone? He'd stored all his passwords... and blogging from some internet cafe he couldn't recall the log in info. That's why so much stuff is left up.

In all honesty, he didn't have much time. I still say he was out in the woods for a minute with friends because suspiciously (and I'm the suspicious type) none of his friends log on, comment, blog or have online activity between 9/6- 9/10/05. None of them. Not even Miss HildyBrandt. :)

Goodnight.

Oh and I forgot, on another board, someone asked where did Ben get the $$$ to acquire the stuff he had? He probably sold his oxycontin (photographed) for $$$. It's a big teen drug, street value is more than $20 a pill. I'm really glad I cut & paste his deviant art entries. That place was a treasure chest of info!

lady rahza

10-08-2005, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart

Here it is! Back on that lovely wide page ---

lady rahza - Was this an online article? Have we heard any more on the resident? Just wondering as it is often referred to as abandoned property, and I was under the impression it is not.

OH my, what a wide page..yes, it was online from channel 8 news.

I thought the property was abandoned myself but they referrred to it like a resident lived there in the quote I posted before.I can't find that exact clip right now or I would link it.I found another article that states her family lives there.(Erin)I do believe that they found Taylor right beside their property, not on it though.Check out this article..http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=93246&ran=193966

starling

10-08-2005, 09:33 PM

starling

10-08-2005, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by starling

Johnny in Sept
http://tinypic.com/e70860.jpg

Ben in Sept
http://tinypic.com/efqtt0.jpg

Bluprint

10-09-2005, 03:00 AM

Anyone ever see The Secret Window with Johnny Depp? I LOVE that movie because Johnny seems really comfortable in that role. Too comfortable if you ask me and it seems like his roles after that film got a little sillier.

Anyways, on another message board someone made the correlation of Ben's photobucket photos and the significance of their content and sequence. It was really eye opening.

Link Here (http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?start=60)

In case it that site goes down (like his myspace and deviantart) the photos are as follows:

001. closeup of a rotary phone, "0" for operator is prominent
002. 3 story farm house in Mathews
003. closeup of dandelions
004. the tin roofed shanty w/ trailer attch'd
005. same shanty, taken from afar (possibly the woods?)
006. various condoms arranged as abstract art
007. beautiful pic of violets
008. abstract of tacks, pushpins and screws and the slogan of "Microsoft's windows 98"
009. pic of someone's window w/ brick wall
010. closeup of keyboard, right handside
011. vanilla flavored Absolut vodka (yummy)
012. cd-r (rewrite-able disk)
013. photoshop'd pic of his skateboard(s) - fetish style animation with devil horns and a 2nd reading "expedition- a journey undertaken"
014. strange colored glass sculpture made by Kathleen (Katie?)
015. vintage projector housing - lens is prominent
016. same vintage projector, different angle (they both say April'05)

Maybe this doesn't mean anything. Maybe it means everything. Maybe he had set up a fetish scenario for any one of his 31 flavors to fall victim to and he was just waiting for the right moment. It's a lot to think about. Glad I'm not the DA.

MaxwellSmart

10-09-2005, 06:00 AM

Blu - I am the last one, I've not seen the movie, but it sure keeps popping up in conversation, have heard rave reviews! I'll be headed to the video store this afternoon. A pic of Depp from that movie next to a pic of blonde ben is more than eerie.

This is verrrry interesting - I'm not sure what to make of it, but I sure can see something there. Course I wouldn't know art if it bit me on the backside, heh. i'm a linear (?) thinker so ya gotta spell it right out for me usually. i'll be very curious what abstract thinkers make of this. (dunno if those are the right terms, hope it makes a grain of sense.)
Earlier someone had a great post on how his photos are not art in their opinion but snapshots, we all take snapshots that tell a story. Interesting the letters K I L are all in that little section of the keyboard. I'm going to look at this again after some sleep.

On another note - someone tell this old fuddy duddy - is pirate decor the "in" thing with youngins these days? Or is it a goth thing? Or is it a pirates of the caribbean thing?
jmo

Researcher

10-09-2005, 10:56 AM

Oh, man, Bluprint! What a fascinating way to look at these snapshots...and I do believe they are snapshots that mean something only to Fawley (and perhaps 1 or a few others). There's oxycontin (perhaps incapacitated her), there's a "little lady", "erin with flaws" (maybe Taylor was like Erin but didn't quite measure up), a "red dragon" (don't even want to think about that one...did you see that movie?), a "vw_rabbit", the keyboard with a number of possible meanings, including Maxwell's idea re "kil", there's a "devil girl", etc. etc. Jeesh! Maybe the titles will be as informative as the images, or more so. I wasn't going to spend much time today on Taylor, but now?

nibblet

10-09-2005, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by starling

Johnny in Sept
http://tinypic.com/e70860.jpg

Johnny Depp w/blond hair, glasses, goatee

http://www.starpulse.com/Actors/Depp,_Johnny/Gallery/GalleryView.html?pic=15

Ben Fawley w/blong hair, glasses, goatee

http://tinypic.com/efqtt0.jpg

starling

10-09-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by nibblet

Johnny Depp w/blond hair, glasses, goatee

http://www.starpulse.com/Actors/Depp,_Johnny/Gallery/GalleryView.html?pic=15

Ben Fawley w/blong hair, glasses, goatee

http://tinypic.com/efqtt0.jpg

Huff from Darkside has a great side by side photo~
http://tinypic.com/eg7tl2.jpg

Bluprint -interesting on the photo bucket & secret window!

Researcher

10-09-2005, 02:30 PM

Just notes (re skulz' Photobucket Wallpaper series) with some free-association ideas...brain-storming only so I've listed everything that came to mind...can screen later. Hope others can add their own thoughts as well. Magoo, I like all your ideas. All photos are H Street Studio (so far-up to #30), except 1 may look like "M Street Studio. Some have dates in caption-have listed these, some have no dates in caption, others have dates as part of photos which case I've listed those in parentheses.

1. 8/29/05 080 Laundry Quarters (10 )
2. 8/29/05 068 Oxycontin (“20”’s, “oc”’s; some red lettering on bottle; NowhereProductionz)
3. 8/29/05 093 Skulz Monument (sorry, my brain-storming is a little wild here-shadow looks phallic to me)
4. Hold a Dragon (?woman’s hand; odd framing; on the water)
5. 8/29/05 028 Skull Bust (not skulz bust; shadow @ 9/W)
6. 8/27/05 Old coins (with magnifying glass)
7. 8/29/05 038 cpu_socket7 (4 cpu’s; electric symbol + skulz, what looks like “no” symbol skulz and positive symbol skulz, 26351 on 2 cpu’s)
8. 8/29/05 cpu_h-d (5 cpu’s + ?motherboard?)
9. caterpillar_whiskers (framing)
10. negative_spider
11. erin_home_road (May 15 2005-I recall skulz having talked in one of his journals about going to this site with “someone special” or something along those lines)
12. erin_with_flaws (1 rose w/ black scar-like blemish; May 15, 2005)
13. flowers_by_the_river (3 white/lavender ?snapdragons?)
14. two orange flowers (?M St. Studio-H is Hanover St…What’s M St.?; 2 ?daylillies)
15. two yellow flowers (2 lemon/day lillies)
16. dragon on the water (dragonfly)
17. little lady (1 ladybug)
18. “The James River”; james river001 (an island?)
19. red dragon (dragonfly on green leaves; don't like this at all. The movie "The Red Dragon" was a horrific movie. Included imagery based on Blake's painting of Lucifer "The Red Dragon". I do hope my free-associations here are simply off-the-wall and too wild)
20. Richmond, Virginia; richmond001bw (B&W; skyline over ?viaduct; ?something floating in water)
21. Richmond Virginia; richmond001 (same as #20 but in color)
22. river dragon (dragonfly on river bank)
23. ya hoo Mt. Dew01 (empty green bottle;10 fluid ounces)
24. vw rabbit (abandoned vw, open hood, doors off/open, seat outside, grafitti)
25. wasp (1 wasp in center of 5 red flowers; July 1, 2005; skulz mentioned in journals being allergic to bees or wasps I think)
26. taqueria flowers (April 28, 2005; ?meaning of Spanish word taqueria; there’s a taqueria restaurant in Alexandria, VA but >3 hours from Diggs; there’s “Taqueria San Jose Mexican Restaurant” in Virginia Beach but that’s also pretty far)
27. rose for erin (May 15, 2005)
28. pontiac001 (rearview, no tags; @ 1967 model?; a “muscle car”; skulz liked muscle cars, stole some old Dodge Darts in Philly)
29. photoshop (April 12, 2005; image of 4 ?radio or vacuum tubes-GE, with some kind of metal yoke or something like that around tops)
30. paris_red (June 2005; some redhead in red dress pulled up by her crotch)

There are 76 images total in Wallpaper series. I found but can't re-find a journal post that was addressed to skulz, damning him and said something to the effect that skulz "tried to chemically strip all the flesh off her bones". Have no idea if whoever wrote that had some inside info or was just infuriated and ranting. If I refind post, will let you know.

nibblet

10-09-2005, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by starling

Huff from Darkside has a great side by side photo~
http://tinypic.com/eg7tl2.jpg

Bluprint -interesting on the photo bucket & secret window!

AGGGHHHH!!! Poor Johnny! He truly has an "evil twin"!!!!:eek:

Thanks for posting the side by side!

PMcOuntry

10-09-2005, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Researcher
Oh, man, Bluprint! What a fascinating way to look at these snapshots...and I do believe they are snapshots that mean something only to Fawley (and perhaps 1 or a few others). There's oxycontin (perhaps incapacitated her), there's a "little lady", "erin with flaws" (maybe Taylor was like Erin but didn't quite measure up), a "red dragon" (don't even want to think about that one...did you see that movie?), a "vw_rabbit", the keyboard with a number of possible meanings, including Maxwell's idea re "kil", there's a "devil girl", etc. etc. Jeesh! Maybe the titles will be as informative as the images, or more so. I wasn't going to spend much time today on Taylor, but now?

Weren't all those pictures taken BEFORE she dissapeared?

BFD - v2.0

10-09-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by PMcOuntry

Weren't all those pictures taken BEFORE she dissapeared?

Many of them were taken before he ever met Taylor Behl.

Hey Paula

10-09-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Many of them were taken before he ever met Taylor Behl.

The pics BF took of the VCU fire in March, where a woman died, as a consequential result of the fire, have peaked my interest.

Do you know, perhaps from local news reports, how that fire started?

TIA

BFD - v2.0

10-09-2005, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

The pics BF took of the VCU fire in March, where a woman died, as a consequential result of the fire, have peaked my interest.

Do you know, perhaps from local news reports, how that fire started?

TIA

They state it was cigarette butts being swept up with the rest of the garbage and put down a clogged up trash chute.

There were construction workers on the site when it occurred.

They do know it started in the trash chute. They do know that the chute was clogged.

Hey Paula

10-09-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

They state it was cigarette butts being swept up with the rest of the garbage and put down a clogged up trash chute.

There were construction workers on the site when it occurred.

They do know it started in the trash chute. They do know that the chute was clogged.

Thanks!

Now my interest is really peaked. Didn't LE collect cigarette butts from BF's apartment? IIRC, they were on the list of items collected.

BF's fascination with fires, and the fact that he photographed the VCU fire, has caught my interest. I am quite certain he is a pyromaniac, but wonder if he is an arsonist, as well.

I also wonder if he left any cigarette butts where Taylor's body was found.

In listening to the reports on GVS last night, it appears LE has amassed a tight case against BF, with much evidence tying him to Taylor's murder.

BFD - v2.0

10-09-2005, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Thanks!

Now my interest is really peaked. Didn't LE collect cigarette butts from BF's apartment? IIRC, they were on the list of items collected.

BF's fascination with fires, and the fact that he photographed the VCU fire, has caught my interest. I am quite certain he is a pyromaniac, but wonder if he is an arsonist, as well.

I also wonder if he left any cigarette butts where Taylor's body was found.

In listening to the reports on GVS last night, it appears LE has amassed a tight case against BF, with much evidence tying him to Taylor's murder.

You will find cigarette butts in 20 million homes across the nation. In fact, you will find cigarette butts just about anywhere you go in this country.

Getting cigarette butts is SOP during a search.

I still don't see this "fascination with fire" that everyone keeps talking about.

The man may very well be guilty, but jumping at every shadow is a bit overboard.

Until I know that all of the people connected to Mathews has been cleared (and it comes out in a court of law), I will still question the whole situation.

Ben Fawley is NOT the only person with a connection to Taylor Behl and the location. There are at minimum 4 other people associated with Taylor that are familiar with that location.

Hey Paula

10-09-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

You will find cigarette butts in 20 million homes across the nation. In fact, you will find cigarette butts just about anywhere you go in this country.

Getting cigarette butts is SOP during a search.

I still don't see this "fascination with fire" that everyone keeps talking about.

The man may very well be guilty, but jumping at every shadow is a bit overboard.

Until I know that all of the people connected to Mathews has been cleared (and it comes out in a court of law), I will still question the whole situation.

Ben Fawley is NOT the only person with a connection to Taylor Behl and the location. There are at minimum 4 other people associated with Taylor that are familiar with that location.

Last night GVS had the Police Chief on, who would only state that the focus is now being centered on one person.

She also had another local LE (retired perhaps?) member on the show, who made it clear that that person was, in fact BF. He stated there was a great deal of evidence, which was collected that connects BF to Taylor's murder, and he, along with the Chief believed there would be a successful resolution to this case.

He said the underside of Taylor's car contained substances, which matched the area where Taylor's body was found.

MaxwellSmart

10-09-2005, 06:59 PM

all of the dates given above were AFTER BF met TB. Remember they met as early as Feb. as I recall.
The pictures are very interesting.
One of the reasons cig butts are SOP is because they can be distinctive, not everyone smokes Marlboro reds. The case in Napa was broken by a rare brand. They often contain DNA. One can easily tell a fresh one from an old weathered one.
Blu - thank you for listing these out, I thought the previous pages leading into that sequence were interesting as well, and glad you took the time to lay them out this way for us.
jmo

PMcOuntry

10-09-2005, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Veracity

I would have to disagree with you. I come from a family that has been involved in law enforcement since the early 1800s- every end of it , marshalls/police/sheriff to Wardens. We had a huge family gathering not too long ago and some comments were made about how today (since the ACLU has devoted at protecting the rights of murderers, rapists, and molesters) more of these guys make it to court and cycle back into the public. There was talk that before the early 1960's - a great many of these criminals, especially anyone who raped a child, ended up dead before they were arrested or tried -car accidents, found out in the woods, overdosed or drank some kind of poison, some even shot. Many of the old timers said they had some pretty good ideas these were not accidents but the coronors marked them as accidental deaths and the communities were more releaved to have the monsters dead than interested in the monster's civil rights.

And considering our bulging population, the greater number of single parent families, and the proliferation of PORN, FETISH and worse JUNK that is a billion dollar industry today - the Taylor Behl case just opens the door to show how many sickos there are out there who have no idea what upright moral conduct is!

Add to that the way the laws have been carved to try and departmentalize crimes and when you backtrack and look at how certain crimes like rape, molestation,and murder used to require some simple referenced codes but now there is a profusion of hoops LE must jump in order to even charge some and keep others behind bars and yet the numbers continue to increase - I would have to argue that it is not simply because we now have media coverage or that people at one time did not report such crimes.

Though I would have to agree that many did not report because of shame or fear, but I would say that those numbers are still high and may actually be higher now because of the population growth and the transitory nature of our population and the way so many communities are stranglers living beside one another rather than extended families living in close proximity surrounded by neighbors who are known multi-generationally to each other.

IMO. Of course.

I'm basing mine on some factual discussions we've had in classes, where numbers have been presented, I think there are "more", just not an overwhelming more as the media portrays. Mind you I'm not spouting Religion in this next statement, but for anyone who has read The Bible, it was happeneding way back in the First Book. I also think we have decades with high numbers and decades w/lower numbers, it's the ebb and flow of our society. Even today, many victims still don't come forward, but in the "olden days" (lol), ppl lived pretty far apart, and who/where would they go to report it, these were wives being abused and/or children being molested, who would they tell, if they left, where would they go, back then you were you husbands property. Now, we look at 20's up, when women really wanted to have their own place, jobs, etc. you'd probably start to see the rise in "crime" on record, but there was still a sense that you didn't report things for fear or shame of your family, I think that really didn't start 'til the 70's up... IMO.

PMcOuntry

10-09-2005, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by MaxwellSmart
all of the dates given above were AFTER BF met TB. Remember they met as early as Feb. as I recall.
The pictures are very interesting.
One of the reasons cig butts are SOP is because they can be distinctive, not everyone smokes Marlboro reds. The case in Napa was broken by a rare brand. They often contain DNA. One can easily tell a fresh one from an old weathered one.
Blu - thank you for listing these out, I thought the previous pages leading into that sequence were interesting as well, and glad you took the time to lay them out this way for us.
jmo

No, I meant they were taken BEFORE she dissapeared, not BEFORE they met... ie, the night she dissapeared and he claims to have walked her back to her dorm.

MaxwellSmart

10-09-2005, 10:43 PM

PM - there was another post (not yours) that referenced when they met, that is what I was commenting on.

harris513

10-09-2005, 11:50 PM

i believe its not so important when the photo's were taken, it's the order in which they're posted. Posting them before Taylor dissapeared could prove pre-meditation, planning

just ranting here

ok he has mental illness causing irrational thoughts when off meds, spends alot of time off meds for sexual reasons, taylor drops in to borrow sateboard after going back to the dorm to find roommate and her partner, off meds and rejected sexual by taylor?? maybe not, maybe just rejected had enough of her because of new girl (hildybrant??), decides to live out fantasie(all be it a sick one), gets taylor to drive him out to matthews for a few drinks (absolute vodka probably), possibly spikes her drink with the meds, old projector says pictures of what he did somewhere?????????? (JMO) sick puppy

just thoughts, might keep reading and thinking now

nibblet

10-10-2005, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by harris513
i believe its not so important when the photo's were taken, it's the order in which they're posted. Posting them before Taylor dissapeared could prove pre-meditation, planning

just ranting here

ok he has mental illness causing irrational thoughts when off meds, spends alot of time off meds for sexual reasons, taylor drops in to borrow sateboard after going back to the dorm to find roommate and her partner, off meds and rejected sexual by taylor?? maybe not, maybe just rejected had enough of her because of new girl (hildybrant??), decides to live out fantasie(all be it a sick one), gets taylor to drive him out to matthews for a few drinks (absolute vodka probably), possibly spikes her drink with the meds, old projector says pictures of what he did somewhere?????????? (JMO) sick puppy

just thoughts, might keep reading and thinking now

...and please permit me to add to your train of thought - much of which I agree...

On September 5, BF is days away from his NEXT court date for the trespassing charges when he broke into the apartment of Jonathan Delano and Erin Crabill with a can of mace and a hammer. As one other person so eloquently stated elsewhere on the site, and I am paraphrasing, he can't seem to put two consequentive months together without getting into trouble with the law.

Anyway, he loses it - has a fit over perceived rejection (again). He hits Taylor - she tries to get away - he knows he is already in trouble on the trespassing charges so to ensure she doesn't go to the police on assault charges, he takes her life. Makes sense only to him.

It will be interesting to hear if LE/prosecutors can prove it happened in Mathews.

If the crime is determine to have happened in Mathews County and a trial is held there, according to the 2000 census, Mathews County had a population of 9,226 - less those under 18 the available population over 18 in 2000 was approximately 7,390. Big difference from Richmond, which had a total 2000 population of 194,729 of which 152,278 were over 18 -- just looking at the potential jury pool....

:shrug:

MaxwellSmart

10-10-2005, 01:36 AM

let me add a tidbit ... it was mentioned that if they find no evidence of a crime scene in Richmond (so far I don't think they have.), then the case would go to Mathews as that is where her body was found, as it becomes the secondary crime scene. jmo
should be in one of the links on the sticky link thread.

somechick

10-10-2005, 02:14 AM

as far as I know Hildybrandt did not have a sexual relationship with Ben. when I last saw her she refered to him as her best friend. from her lj i gathered that she has a boyfriend that doesn't go to VCU. yeah, I know..."kids these days" you never know, but I figured I'd put my two-cents in. I think that in some of the instances in which she some people think she's "pinning" for Ben in she's actually talking about her boyfriend. It's easy to get it confused of late since her last couple of entries have been about trying to go see Ben in jail.

Bluprint

10-10-2005, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0 Many of them were taken before he ever met Taylor Behl.

I know but umm, I have a photobucket acct as well and I know that the higher numbered photos are my most recent. Plus, he mentioned reshooting some of his older work...

And I quote:
C:= Taking more photos of older work C:=
Journal Entry: Fri Sep 23, 2005, 10:40 AM

As a friend read her story to me I was shooting some of my older work. I am missing some projects or I have just missplaced them. I have been cleaning house as my roommate moved out. I now have bits and pices of two who have left this apartment. But I do like the one who has kept me company the past two weeks or so. ~ Also want to tank the others who came buy to hang out. Just a side note, I have more leather jackets if needed.

Gee, me a skulls, what's the deal? ...I guess every red-neck with a deer skull is a closet killer? They play with guns, kill things for sport, and have skulls around.

I pulled that from his deviantart acct which is now down. You guys DO know that C:= makes the picture of a skull. He's a thinker this one is.

Here's another interesting entry Ben made to deviantart. Good grief, I hope we don't have the wrong guy. I feel kinda guilty delving into his life like this.

And I quote, again:
C:= Passwords sux C:=
Journal Entry: Mon Sep 19, 2005, 8:27 AM

Passwords keep people out of things on a computer but let you in. The bit that sux is when you cannot recall your own and it keeps you out as well :-p

da bus, da bus, we take the auto bus......
*Reminder - laundry, must do the laundry.......and the sheets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

Remember to vote Republican! GO BUSH! <this is just a note for someone*

This is what I meant by him not being able to delete his myspace.com account on his own or his other blogs. Okay that little ditty about "da bus" ... if you sing it to the tune of Pink Panther, doesn't it fit? :D