Has a body been found?

[Eastcoastmom]

Has anyone else heard this?


http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785469738

[worldcat]

yes body been found!!

[NancynNC]

Thanks so much.

For Taylor...:rose:

[BFD - v2.0]

Mathews County is where Erin Crabill is from.

Diggs, VA.

It's a place both Ben Fawley and Erin were intimate with.

[worldcat]

The body has not been identified as of yet. What i am hearing though it is her.

[Eastcoastmom]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
Mathews County is where Erin Crabill is from.

Diggs, VA.

It's a place both Ben Fawley and Erin were intimate with.


Does Fawley mention this place on his website?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Eastcoastmom



Does Fawley mention this place on his website?

Yeah. He mentioned going there with Erin.

I can't remember which one of his rants it was in; but he's talking about a memory with Erin and the time they spent out there.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=erin_home_road1024x768skulz_web.jpg

Check out the caption on the bottom.

ETA:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=forest_with_erin1042x768skulz_web.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=abandoned_house-erin001skulz.jpg

[worldcat]

Richmond police cheif on the scene now. I looks to me its BEN!!

[jagstar58]

A body has been found and they are awaiting positive ID. I have a friend on the task force and he says this is Taylor.

:rose: Prayers for the family.

[Eastcoastmom]

So sad for her mother.

[nana2]

Taylor:(


:rose:

[PMcOuntry]

Have we got comfirmation yet on the body?

[snake58]

Ah god.... I keep hoping against hope she's somehow alright... and i keep sitting here checking between classes and refreshing my browser.... god i am truly so sorry for taylor and her family...

For The Behl Family :rose:

[nibblet]

According to Mapquest, it takes the time and distance below to go from Ben's house to Diggs, VA (Mathews)

Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 49 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 75.38 miles

NBC4 in DC is showing on their website a farm - on a country dirt road.


http://www.nbc4.com/news/5061616/detail.html#


He set up that 5:00 am timeframe for some reason - is that when he returned to Richmond? Is that when he was in Mathews?




I pray it isn't Taylor but it doesn't look good. I need to go home and cry.


:( :rose:

[dalma3604]

Originally posted by jagstar58
A body has been found and they are awaiting positive ID. I have a friend on the task force and he says this is Taylor.

:rose: Prayers for the family.


Did you get the idea that Fawley confessed?


For the family:rose:

[worldcat]

I beileve a confession has been made . My opioion only!

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by dalma3604



Did you get the idea that Fawley confessed?


For the family:rose:

Channel 8 reported that they were tipped off by a photograph they found and someone who was familiar with it led them to the area.

I just flicked through all 70 or so photos at the linked photobucket site.....this guy was obsessed with this erin girl.
Quite a few of the photos are named for/with her...

There are quite a few re an abandoned house to which he
refers to then as "erin_abandoned" or something like that.
I wonder if thats the place the body has been found..

God less Taylor, and her family.

[NancynNC]

picture of farm...

http://nbc12.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WWBT/MGArticle/WBT_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785470966

[Victim's Cry]

:rose:

Msnbc just said waiting for confirmation but they are pretty sure its her. The location was not one that would be searched without information.

Her poor family...and her...

[PMcOuntry]

Yeesh, yes, just a bit obsessed w/this Erin chick, do we have a pic of her? I wonder if half those pics were even taken by him, some of them are very good.

[jagstar58]

Originally posted by dalma3604



Did you get the idea that Fawley confessed?


For the family:rose:

It is my understanding that the task force was called out there but I am unsure by whom.

This is so tragic. Her mom was called there as well and the family says they are 99% sure it is Taylor.

It was from a photo that they decided to try the farm I am now hearing.

[nibblet]

According to Pat Collins of NBC 4 Washington, investigators came upon this site based on photographs (want to guess from whom?).

A witness told of where they were taken (Erin Crabill???). And so, they found a body.

:( :rose:

The body is right were I said to start searching at!!!!! Read my post.

[PMcOuntry]

I read from a photo in Ben's stuff and a tip from someone.

Also, did anyone else notice the "box of bones" in the siezed list? And the picture of the Dog Skull in his photobucket, eww.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by racerex
The body is right were I said to start searching at!!!!! Read my post.

I definitely give you props for discussing the abandoned houses. They just weren't in Harrisonburg.

But, good investigative thinking on your part.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by PMcOuntry
Yeesh, yes, just a bit obsessed w/this Erin chick, do we have a pic of her? I wonder if half those pics were even taken by him, some of them are very good.

There are a ton of photos of her on the internet. You just have to know the name to search for:

Isobel Wren.

[LT7660]

k....i've been following this case but not enough............

who is erin? a past GF of ben's?

TIA!

[BevAnn]

Well, now I'm even MORE curious as to just WHO the he!! this Erin chic is??

This reminds me of the Scaughty case - he's fishing 90 miles away - oops guess where the bodies wash up? This guy is obsessed with old homes/fields/picture taking and license plates - and we have 3 sets of switched plates, and her body seems to be found behind an old farm home, tipped off by pictures.

Too many coincedences, I say.

JMHO

:rose: peace to Taylor and family

Bev Ann

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


There are a ton of photos of her on the internet. You just have to know the name to search for:

Isobel Wren.


THANKS! BFD - searching right now!

Bev Ann

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by BevAnn
Well, now I'm even MORE curious as to just WHO the he!! this Erin chic is??

This reminds me of the Scaughty case - he's fishing 90 miles away - oops guess where the bodies wash up? This guy is obsessed with old homes/fields/picture taking and license plates - and we have 3 sets of switched plates, and her body seems to be found behind an old farm home, tipped off by pictures.

Too many coincedences, I say.

JMHO

:rose: peace to Taylor and family

Bev Ann

Erin is an ex-girlfriend of Ben from what I can tell of web blogs and news reports. He claims that she sent ppl to attack him the night Taylor went missing. He seems reather obsessed w/her.

[PMcOuntry]

Interesting site on Erin:

http://erin-crabill.blogspot.com/

I did not see the posts on searching abandoned houses, etc., what thread was that?

[PMcOuntry]

Interesting news article on Ben and his past life:

http://www.justicemag.com/daily/item/1383.html

[nibblet]

Originally posted by BevAnn



THANKS! BFD - searching right now!

Bev Ann

Careful Bev Ann - you went to one of those nasty sites before! I don't know if this Erin Crabill girl takes pictures with her clothes on....:eek:

But, if Erin helped in the investigation, then that is a good thing.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by nibblet


Careful Bev Ann - you went to one of those nasty sites before! I don't know if this Erin Crabill girl takes pictures with her clothes on....:eek:

But, if Erin helped in the investigation, then that is a good thing.

LOL, so true. I certianly don't want to visit one of those "nasty sites".

[yony'sgirl]

Just saw this and thought it was interesting...to say the least! If it has been posted before - please forgive me:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=15185095&postID=112340205786668602

[BevAnn]

lol Niblett - I know!!! The SACRIFICES I make for CTV!!! lol

I am still amazed...I'm not a prude I SWEAR and I'm only 35 - I still show a little skin if I go out to clubs even - but I am amazed at these girls!! She's so pretty! But to put that ring through her nose, and the bondage stuff....ugh. Just NOT my scene.

I read that blog where Skulz had talked about his porn contract with her and he's obviously NOT happy with her! Whatever. But I didn't realize he was saying his "attack" was supposedly her doing. What an odd case.


Again, I just feel like Taylor got caught up in something real quick that went way over her head faster than she meant to.

Bev Ann

[KaraokeDiva]

Sadly, I'm hoping that the body found is Taylor. It's not that I wish her dead...but better to know for sure what has happened and bring her home than to spend the rest of your life wondering what happened to your little girl. :(

[lady rahza]

I was hoping for a better outcome to this..the only solace I have is that atleast if this is Taylor, her family has a body to bury.I don't live far from Mathews and that is a pretty deserted place when compared to Gloucester.I am thinking that this looks pretty bad for BF about now.Our weather has been pretty dry up here so maybe they can do good tire tracks tests and such.I wonder how her body got there..whose car?

[LT7660]

i agree.........that has to be the worst thing in the world

not knowing where you child is or what happened to her

:(

[NancynNC]

A picture of Erin..

http://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=432e64eb02c94

[Heli]

Dan Abrams with Clint Van Zandt

Aerial footage of a farm where a body has been found in a shallow grave somewhere behind a barn.

No confirmation of anything but a news conferenceis expected at any time with regard to the body found.

Abrams states the shallow grave on the farm is approximately 1 hour from VCU campus.

[NancynNC]

This is a video of the dirt road...

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3941909&nav=23ii

[LT7660]

Originally posted by Heli
Dan Abrams with Clint Van Zandt

Aerial footage of a farm where a body has been found in a shallow grave somewhere behind a barn.

No confirmation of anything but a news conferenceis expected at any time with regard to the body found.

Abrams states the shallow grave on the farm is approximately 1 hour from VCU campus.
could this be that abandoned house in those pics?

:(

[Heli]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
http://www.taylorbehl.notagz.com/

According to the article, AP called Janet Pelasara and she didn't know about a body found. What a way to be informed.

Wasn't it also AP who jumped the gun in the Natalee Holloway case, revealing that Natalee was dead, there was a confession by a suspect and said suspect was leading police to the grave??

I'll wait to hear the news conference by LE thank you :(

[NancynNC]

Press Conference in 3 minutes

[Heli]

Originally posted by LT7660

could this be that abandoned house in those pics?

:(

The video footage being shown on Dan Abrams, MSNBC is of a remote area, with a farmhouse, outbuildings and a barn.

We can see a spot in a clearing where they've erected a canopy over an area which appears to look like a dirt road into a wooded area. There are red flag markers lining the dirt road.

I can't see that the area under the canopy looks "dug up" and there's been no effort to drape that area to conceal anyone from viewing it. Perhaps not the shallow grave site but location of some type of evidence they want to protect from the elements.

Still no press conference, but waiting.

[Heli]

70 miles east of Richmond is the location of the remote property where the body has been found.

They have found a body, that we know, but no information about whose body it is.

Richmond newspaper reports that police found the body after interviewing certain people about Taylor's disappearance. This was not an accidental find.

[LT7660]

heli, did you peek at the pics posted at the beginning of this thread? one of a dirt road and one of abandoned house

[Heli]

No, but I've been watching the live video of the area on MSNBC

[Zara]

Female friend of one of the men interviewed identified the pic, and told them where the pic was taken.

Am guessing Erin knew the place thanks to Ben.

Guess Erin got the last word, Ben.







:rose:
For Taylor

[LT7660]

yeah i'm watching also

[Heli]

This is not a complete transcript. Many of the questions were omitted while I concentrated on the answers of the Chief.


Reading a statement Chief of Police

On today's date, the task force inveastigating the Taylor Behl disappearance.....was led to Matthews County, a location we determined need to be searched. We found the remains of an individual.

That scene has been secured, the FBI has come in and begun the task of collecting evidence and will process that scene.

At this time, we do not, I repeat WE DO NOT KNOW, who the remains belong to.

Yes, we have contacted Taylor's family and made them aware of our discovery.

During the past week, we have gone into a mode of searching locations we knew Taylor had visited, based on information, photographs..that's what led us here.

We can only say remains, how long they've been there, we don't know, the medical examiner was here to take an initial look. It's a very large scene, it will take quite awhile for that scene to be processed.

It's in a wooded area.

We have information that Taylor has been in this area.

We have contacted the property owner and obtained his consent to enter and search.

Some good investigative work, where 2 officers came down there on an investigative lead...VCU police officers.

The FBI is processing the scene.

The owners of the property are not related to Ben Fawley.

We will not know who or what evidence those remains present until the medical examiner makes that determination.

It could be a few days before we can make an identification.

It was not a tip, it was from the investigation, interviews, review of photographs etc.

[Heli]

Dan Abrams attempting to speak to the Richmond Times in order to obtain more information

[Heli]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Yeah. He mentioned going there with Erin.

I can't remember which one of his rants it was in; but he's talking about a memory with Erin and the time they spent out there.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=erin_home_road1024x768skulz_web.jpg

Check out the caption on the bottom.

ETA:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=forest_with_erin1042x768skulz_web.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=abandoned_house-erin001skulz.jpg

The last photo being the abandoned house. I'm looking at the MSNBC live video taken from the helicopter. There's commonality in the galvanized roof of the house in the photo and those buildings I can see on the aerial view on tv.

There wasn't an aerial of the house which revealed the side of the building in the photo but I'd say based on the roof and the colour of the house itself, the picture and the area of the remains appear to be extremely similar.

[kindeekatjackso]

Originally posted by factsuall
Heli, thanks for the updates.


:rose: If it is not Taylor it is somebody else.

:rose:



That's true. Oh, this is horrible news. :rose: to everybody.

[Zara]

Agreed Heli. Looks the same to me..



:rose:

[LT7660]

yup and there was one of a dirt road

geez.............this is so sad

[Zara]

Originally posted by LT7660
yup and there was one of a dirt road

geez.............this is so sad


This is amazing. What a sicko.

Pic number 65 shows the caravan......from what I can see of the press aerial shots....it looks like the caravan is on the left of
the photo. Sure looks like a caravan to me.

[tracy turnblad]

Originally posted by HippityHop


DUH, Sherlock.....

sorry but :lol:

[Anni]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Yeah. He mentioned going there with Erin.

I can't remember which one of his rants it was in; but he's talking about a memory with Erin and the time they spent out there.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=erin_home_road1024x768skulz_web.jpg

Check out the caption on the bottom.

ETA:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=forest_with_erin1042x768skulz_web.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/v466/skulz/Wallpaper-by-Skulz/?action=view&current=abandoned_house-erin001skulz.jpg

Thank you BFD for the photobucket.


:rose: 's

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Not JUST your average sicko either. This guy liked to put it on the internet and take pictures. I wonder if he even remembered that he's posted all these pics online when he left her body there?

In the early part of this, after we'd found tons of his photos and blogs and his model sites and his little girls' model site...he was deleting like mad that one night especially. So, why didn't he delete these?

Ego?

If he follows the path of most "sicko's", he would leave them there to taunt police perhaps, so he could say, the answer was there all along and YOU didn't find the truth til... another words, he think's he's better/smarter, etc.

[LT7660]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Ditto that.

It is probably her though. I hope it is for her mom's sake.

and that's why i feel so bad for Beth.........cuz she has no idea where her daughter is

but not talkin' about that here...........

[Heli]

Anybody watching Nancy Grace?

How did this woman ever practice law? She has this inane way of getting facts all back asswards: "all the skateboarders were male, so how can one of them be a woman scorned?:

Duh, she totally missed the point that there's a girl (Erin?) who is an ex g/f who may have identified location of certain photos etc etc.

Nancy, Nancy I just don't know about you anymore

[nibblet]

Originally posted by Heli
Anybody watching Nancy Grace?



I'm watching Nancy - the prosecutor, David Hicks??, said that the body found is a "fresh body".

What does that mean exactly in police terms? Nancy asked if there was flesh on the body or were there only bones.

[Heli]

Originally posted by nibblet


I'm watching Nancy - the prosecutor, David Hicks??, said that the body found is a "fresh body".

What does that mean exactly in police terms? Nancy asked if there was flesh on the body or were there only bones.

A fresh body would seem to me to be one that has been deceased a very short time.

I was more taken by the term "remains of a body" that was used by the police chief earlier. May be he just speaks strangely, but when I heard that particular terminology I thought of body parts.

[ladyheartfixer]

http://www.taylorbehl.notagz.com/

[MissLisa77]

Very sad. I'm hoping it isn't Taylor... but it's not looking good.
:rose: :rose: :rose:

[memap1965]

I just feel so sorry for Taylor's family.
:rose:

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by Heli
Anybody watching Nancy Grace?

How did this woman ever practice law? She has this inane way of getting facts all back asswards: "all the skateboarders were male, so how can one of them be a woman scorned?:

Duh, she totally missed the point that there's a girl (Erin?) who is an ex g/f who may have identified location of certain photos etc etc.

Nancy, Nancy I just don't know about you anymore


I always liked Nancy Grace, but maybe she just got her wording wrong, maybe she's having a bad day, who knows.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by Heli


A fresh body would seem to me to be one that has been deceased a very short time.

I was more taken by the term "remains of a body" that was used by the police chief earlier. May be he just speaks strangely, but when I heard that particular terminology I thought of body parts.

Fresh body is one that has not started to decompose or has only just started, ie, it should be in tact for the most part. Or it could even be very, very recent. If Taylor has been murdered, we don't know if it was that night or weeks later. Remember Jessica Lunsford, it was found that she was kept alive for over a week I think.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by concernedmother
that boy sure seens to be a true friend to Taylor. he said unlike the rest of them he isnt afraid to speak, it is Taylors body and it all points to Ben.
I think he is right.

I wonder if we'll ever know what she meant when she told that Kevin person (skateboarder) that she was "going to do something highly illegal"?!

[Eastcoastmom]

RWV and the posters there say that she's pretty much been identified.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/taylor_behl_ide.html

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by Eastcoastmom
RWV and the posters there say that she's pretty much been identified.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/taylor_behl_ide.html

Not possible, they just said on TV they have not even approached the actual grave, they just know there is one there w/a body.

[sociological]

I don't know how to upload a picture to this, but I have photoshop and I did a closeup of the crime scene- it IS the exact same spot as the abandoned house in the picture (with the trailor next to it) that is on Skulz website.

What a moron! HAHA. He really thought he was slick... or did he just want to secretly get caught?

I have the pictures side by side. it's uncanny. If anyone is interested in seeing it, either let me know how to upload it, or I'll send it to you.

[guineaneck]

Originally posted by sociological
I don't know how to upload a picture to this, but I have photoshop and I did a closeup of the crime scene- it IS the exact same spot as the abandoned house in the picture (with the trailor next to it) that is on Skulz website.

What a moron! HAHA. He really thought he was slick... or did he just want to secretly get caught?

I have the pictures side by side. it's uncanny. If anyone is interested in seeing it, either let me know how to upload it, or I'll send it to you.

I just looked back at the Photobucket pics and saw that the abandoned house (in the Wallpaper album) has Erin's name in the title... just like the pictures of Mathews on the same album... all dated 15 May 2005. So I tend to believe you're right about it being the spot... wish I could see that picture you Photoshopped too

[sociological]

I guess that was my problem... the image needs to be posted to a website in order for me to link you to it... and I don't want to use my own webspace, because you can then see my personal info... so I am trying to post it to an anonymous space. Give me a few minutes.

[lady rahza]

This abandoned house belongs to Erins folks?Anybody hear that on the news?TIA

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by lady rahza
This abandoned house belongs to Erins folks?Anybody hear that on the news?TIA

I heard it on the news, but I already posted that Erin had lived on Knight Wood Road.

Knight Wood Road is where the body was found.

[lady rahza]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I heard it on the news, but I already posted that Erin had lived on Knight Wood Road.

Knight Wood Road is where the body was found.

Thanks BFD..I saw a bit in the paper about it as well. I saw you had posted she lived there, thanks for relaying that.That was news to me reading it in your earlier post.

[tarabull]

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785469738

Behl task force investigates body in Mathews County
BY JIM NOLAN
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

An ex-girlfriend of a man interviewed in connection with the disappearance of Taylor Marie Behl yesterday led investigators to a Mathews County farm where police discovered the severely decomposed remains of an unidentified person, law-enforcement sources told The Times-Dispatch...

[NancynNC]

Jim Nolan is on Greta's show on Fox.

He said the police were not going any further than 10 feet away from the body. Trying to investigate the scene.

[kbean520]

Originally posted by tarabull
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785469738

Behl task force investigates body in Mathews County
BY JIM NOLAN
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

An ex-girlfriend of a man interviewed in connection with the disappearance of Taylor Marie Behl yesterday led investigators to a Mathews County farm where police discovered the severely decomposed remains of an unidentified person, law-enforcement sources told The Times-Dispatch...

You think she has something to do with it ? Do you think he used Taylor to send a "message" to Erin?

Just speculation. I am catching up. very behind

[Chloe G.]

just heard on fox - they believe that fawley and jesse shultz BOTH had something to do with taylor's death....

also, the reporter said BF was arrested on drug possession charges in addition to the child porn charges....this is the first i've heard about drugs....anyone know anything about that?

chloe

[marabeth]

Originally posted by kbean520


You think she has something to do with it ? Do you think he used Taylor to send a "message" to Erin?

Just speculation. I am catching up. very behind
I don't believe Erin has a thing to do with the crime..
It has crossed my mind that he might want to try to cause trouble for Erin.....

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by Chloe G.
just heard on fox - they believe that fawley and jesse shultz BOTH had something to do with taylor's death....

also, the reporter said BF was arrested on drug possession charges in addition to the child porn charges....this is the first i've heard about drugs....anyone know anything about that?

chloe

Chloe! Refresh my memory!! Who is Jesse>??? I can't remember!!! lol Too many people in this deal....

Bev Ann

[Chloe G.]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Chloe! Refresh my memory!! Who is Jesse>??? I can't remember!!! lol Too many people in this deal....

Bev Ann


jesse is the guy that the dog tracked his scent from taylor's car to his aunt's house.....

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by Chloe G.



jesse is the guy that the dog tracked his scent from taylor's car to his aunt's house.....

oh, got it! And there was the break in involved while they were at the jail, for questioning, or whatever, right?


I asked this on another thread, but I'll repeat here - if Erin "led investigators to a Mathews County farm" ....how are we sure she's not invovled? I can totally see BF doing all this to screw up her life, being as he is so angry with her - but then again....maybe she does need to be looked at too??

JMHO and ramblings...

Bev Ann

[crazyhorse]

:( I had hoped for a different outcome of this case but knew in reality something like this would happen. I believe BF knows exactly what happened to Taylor. If this is her body, I hope whoever did this horrible crime gets what they deserve! Does Virginia have the Death Penalty?

[Schadenfrau]

Originally posted by BevAnn



I asked this on another thread, but I'll repeat here - if Erin "led investigators to a Mathews County farm" ....how are we sure she's not invovled? I can totally see BF doing all this to screw up her life, being as he is so angry with her - but then again....maybe she does need to be looked at too??

Bev Ann

Previous articles have mentioned that Fawley's photographs led investigators to the house.

I imagine the police asked Fawley's associates to place the locations in the photos and Erin Crabill recognized her family's property.

VA has the death penalty and exercises it.

[La_Cavalière]

Yes, Virginia has the death penalty, although you need to prove special circumstances:

"To be eligible in Virginia for the death penalty, a criminal must commit a murder under one or more special circumstances. These circumstances include robbery or attempted robbery; rape or attempted rape or sodomy, or attempted sodomy, or object sexual penetration; abduction with intent to extort money; the killing of a law enforcement officer; a multiple homicide; murder for hire; murder while incarcerated; murder of more than 1 person in a 3 year period; drug related; pregnant woman; murder victim is less than 14 by an over 21 year old perpetrator. "

http://www.vadp.org/info.htm

[kbean520]

I believe, based on his blogs, he was obsessed with Erin but I think he mentioned that Erin ignored him/avoided him. I really don't think Erin has anything to do with her death. It sounds like Erin was through with Ben whether he liked it or not.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MarilynB
VA has the death penalty and exercises it.

You got that right.

We use it.

I have no doubt in my mind that Taylor's mother will get her wish for the death penalty.

And the person responsible will most definitely die by execution, instead of old age in a prison somewhere.

[BevAnn]

Well, if Erin is innocent (and my belief is, she probably is) can you imagine the guilt this poor girl (woman) will feel? How horrible to know he killed an innocent girl and used her to get even. This could just as easily been have been Erin that was murdered.

But going along with that, I still have to wonder if BF worked alone or if Jesse was indeed involved (can't remember who alluded to that fact in a post a little earlier)? But my thoughts have always been, if more than one is involved, you can usually get them to turn on each other. USUALLY. Not always. How close are this Jesse and BF??? Jesse isn't under arrest at this time is he?


Bev Ann

[La_Cavalière]

It appears that one of the special circumstances will need to be met before seeking the death penalty. BF said he had sexual relations with Taylor that night, so rape could be the special circumstance. Even if it can't be proven whether or not the sex was consensual, can statutory rape be claimed?

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by La_Cavalière
It appears that one of the special circumstances will need to be met before seeking the death penalty. BF said he had sexual relations with Taylor that night, so rape could be the special circumstance. Even if it can't be proven whether or not the sex was consensual, can statutory rape be claimed?


Good point - isn't she still 17? I think her birthday is this month? Or am I remembering wrong?

Bev Ann

[La_Cavalière]

According to Taylor's mom's lawyer, the family believes the right person is in custody (Fawley), but they also are questioning whether he had help from Jesse or others -- especially considering the dogs tracked a scent from Taylor's car to the house where Jesse was staying.

Jesse was arrested on cocaine charges after the search of the house, but I believe he has been released.

[M&M Girl]

Originally posted by BevAnn
Well, if Erin is innocent (and my belief is, she probably is) can you imagine the guilt this poor girl (woman) will feel? How horrible to know he killed an innocent girl and used her to get even. This could just as easily been have been Erin that was murdered.

But going along with that, I still have to wonder if BF worked alone or if Jesse was indeed involved (can't remember who alluded to that fact in a post a little earlier)? But my thoughts have always been, if more than one is involved, you can usually get them to turn on each other. USUALLY. Not always. How close are this Jesse and BF??? Jesse isn't under arrest at this time is he?


Bev Ann


I thought Jesse was arrested before BF on cocaine possession charges. My thoughts are that the 2 of them and possibly the 3rd skateboarder, were all hanging out and things turned bad as in gang rape, she was killed in the process and Ben knew where he could dispose of the body. He may have changed the plates before driving to Matthews just so the car wouldn't be recognized. But this is all just musings IMO in all that stuff

[nibblet]

Originally posted by BevAnn



Good point - isn't she still 17? I think her birthday is this month? Or am I remembering wrong?

Bev Ann

Yes - Taylor's 18th birthday would have been in a week - October 13.

Burying a child anytime of the year is horrible but burying your daughter within days of her birthday is so crushing.


This is the 2nd funeral (if not a private funeral) I'll attend this year where the deceased was 17-18. Just when these kids were really starting life it was snuffed out.

I knew Taylor when she was a little girl. A very sweet, adorable child. Janet is a great mother.

:rose:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You got that right.

We use it.

I have no doubt in my mind that Taylor's mother will get her wish for the death penalty.

And the person responsible will most definitely die by execution, instead of old age in a prison somewhere.

California might do well to follow the lead of your state.

[La_Cavalière]

I wouldn't cite Virginia's death penalty system as a model for other states. It has some serious flaws.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by La_Cavalière
I wouldn't cite Virginia's death penalty system as a model for other states. It has some serious flaws.

I don't live in VA, so I'm not acquainted with its flaws. But there is something wrong in CA, when known convicted murderers are on DR for decades, after having snuffed the lives of their victims.

IMO

[Dunlurken]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't live in VA, so I'm not acquainted with its flaws. But there is something wrong in CA, when known convicted murderers are on DR for decades, after having snuffed the lives of their victims.

IMO The one thing I can say about Virginia is that we don't drag trials out for months and months. We tend to move pretty quickly. IMO.

[PMcOuntry]

Originally posted by La_Cavalière
Yes, Virginia has the death penalty, although you need to prove special circumstances:

"To be eligible in Virginia for the death penalty, a criminal must commit a murder under one or more special circumstances. These circumstances include robbery or attempted robbery; rape or attempted rape or sodomy, or attempted sodomy, or object sexual penetration; abduction with intent to extort money; the killing of a law enforcement officer; a multiple homicide; murder for hire; murder while incarcerated; murder of more than 1 person in a 3 year period; drug related; pregnant woman; murder victim is less than 14 by an over 21 year old perpetrator. "

http://www.vadp.org/info.htm

In other words, the ONLY thing you can get the death pentalty for in the USA is MURDER.