Predictions, anyone?

Would anyone like to join me in predicting what Homolka will be doing while she's released to the community?

I think that she will hook up with another guy who is a sociopath and they will again harm someone.

That chick is an imminent threat to the safety and security of the community!

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Huntress1
Would anyone like to join me in predicting what Homolka will be doing while she's released to the community?

I think that she will hook up with another guy who is a sociopath and they will again harm someone.

That chick is an imminent threat to the safety and security of the community!

It is difficult to predict with any certainty what K will do.

However, it is of concern that she formed a relationship with another dangerous man while she was in prison.
She may be smart, but she does not exhibit good judgement. And since she doesn't exhibit good judgement in this particular area it may be that she will again gravitate to this sort of person.

K is the mistress of her destiny. Every choice she makes will impact the success of her reintegration to society.

IMO there is little hope for that because I think she is a sociopath. Of course, I would prefer to be wrong because to be right would mean someone could be badly hurt or killed by K, an outcome which would give me no pleasure. JMO

[goatgirl]

Hi all,

imo- I dont think Karla will kill again ...on her own anyways.

I agree if she hooks up with the wrong person she may.....

But I honestly hope we dont hear about any other crimes from her


GoatGirl

:seeya:

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


It is difficult to predict with any certainty what K will do.

However, it is of concern that she formed a relationship with another dangerous man while she was in prison.
She may be smart, but she does not exhibit good judgement. And since she doesn't exhibit good judgement in this particular area it may be that she will again gravitate to this sort of person.

K is the mistress of her destiny. Every choice she makes will impact the success of her reintegration to society.

IMO there is little hope for that because I think she is a sociopath. Of course, I would prefer to be wrong because to be right would mean someone could be badly hurt or killed by K, an outcome which would give me no pleasure. JMO

I agree!! She need serious help that I don't think she will receive. That is why I am concerned where she is living and I we all have a right to know!!!

[Anthea Delano]

Tillsonburg News

Idiocy of Ideology
Sept. 7, 2005

http://tinyurl.com/cy3mx

[Bello]

I hope KARLA gets a contract to star and produce in her own TALK SHOW. I think the ratings will soar. With all these weisels on here chatting with over a thousand posts each i think she will beat the queen of talk herself.

LETS KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED:::)))))))


SIGHNED


BELLO

[cami]

Originally posted by Huntress1
Would anyone like to join me in predicting what Homolka will be doing while she's released to the community?

I think that she will hook up with another guy who is a sociopath and they will again harm someone.

That chick is an imminent threat to the safety and security of the community!

I don't think Karla will actively seek out another sexual sadist and reoffend.

I think she is too smart for that. She knows she dodged a bullet. She also knows she wouldn't make it to another courtroom, not here in Canada anyway.

There was something lethal about the Paul/Karla combination that I don't think will be repeated.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by cami


I don't think Karla will actively seek out another sexual sadist and reoffend.

I think she is too smart for that. She knows she dodged a bullet. She also knows she wouldn't make it to another courtroom, not here in Canada anyway.

There was something lethal about the Paul/Karla combination that I don't think will be repeated.

You DO realize that while she was in prison she hooked up with a guy who killed his girlfriend when she tried to leave him? There are many reports that liken him to Paul.

[anovellady]

IMO, Karla would be bored with a normal, rational man. She will seek out a thrill seeker because that is what she finds exciting. I don't believe she will commit another crime on her own, but she will probably be a willing partner. Karla has shown that she can be a part of a crime and yet be smart enough to know how to protect herself. She will turn in her partner to save herself and cry victim. You can be sure it will be very dramatic.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady
IMO, Karla would be bored with a normal, rational man. She will seek out a thrill seeker because that is what she finds exciting. I don't believe she will commit another crime on her own, but she will probably be a willing partner. Karla has shown that she can be a part of a crime and yet be smart enough to know how to protect herself. She will turn in her partner to save herself and cry victim. You can be sure it will be very dramatic.

I don't see how she'd ever get away with it again. I don't believe she will reoffend. I agree with someone who said she's too smart for that. I agree, she is.

MOO

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I don't see how she'd ever get away with it again. I don't believe she will reoffend. I agree with someone who said she's too smart for that. I agree, she is.

MOO

I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

How deluded.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

I believe Paul was the mastermind and Karla the follower. I don't think it was her idea to rape and murder people. Since Paul was a rapist before Karla, it is highly likely he would have escalated to murder eventually and that Karla as his wife, went along with it all, enjoying some of what she did.

[Pretty Leaf]

A rapist not a murderer make. Paul wanted virgins and Karla got them for him. She wanted Paul and did what it took to keep him.
If she was really a normal person, she would have kicked him to the curb. IMO She has her own psychiatric problem.

Paul may have been the leader she was a willing accomplice. The evidence of spousal abuse did not come into play until the end of the relationship when the end was coming. Don't forget that she brought home girls for Paul without being asked by Paul to do it.

Paul has met a woman in Florida when he went away with the guys just prior to the wedding and told Karla that he wanted to postpone their wedding because he thought he might love the other woman. This IMO was a pivitol moment for Karla to keep her man regardless.

Paul was the in charge person. Karla had many opprotunities to let the girls go, or not even gettng them at all. She made her choice, therefore she is a guilty as Paul in all these murderd/rapes that heppened before/after their marriage. Not withstanding his rapes as the Scarbougral (?) rapist 12 years is appauliing.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I believe Paul was the mastermind and Karla the follower. I don't think it was her idea to rape and murder people. Since Paul was a rapist before Karla, it is highly likely he would have escalated to murder eventually and that Karla as his wife, went along with it all, enjoying some of what she did.

Yes, PB was a rapist before and during his relationship with K. BUT he didn't change his MO of stalking and raping women of a certain age range, except for when he was with K. You can chart the change with 14 year old Tammy's rape and death.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Yes, PB was a rapist before and during his relationship with K. BUT he didn't change his MO of stalking and raping women of a certain age range, except for when he was with K. You can chart the change with 14 year old Tammy's rape and death.

Tammy was just a week shy of her 16th birthday at her death. Two of Bernardo's Scarborogh victims were 15 years old.

You make no sense. At all.

[Anthea Delano]

Date Victim MO
5.4.87 age 21 stalk/night/bus

5.14.87 age 19 "

7. 27,87 no age
attempt "
_________________________________
OCT. 17, 1987 K meets P
__________________________________
12.16.87 age 15 "

12.23.88 age 17 "

4.18.88 age 17 at night

5.30.88 age 18 "

10.4.88 attempt

11.16.88 age 18 "

12.27.88 attempt

5.20.89 attempt

8.15.89 age 22 "

11.21.89 age 15 bus

12.22.89 age 19

5.26.90 age 19 bus

________________________________
12.23.90 TAMMY
________________________________


4.6.91 age 14 MO changes/not
at night not at bus

6.7.91 Jane Doe 15 K brings her/rape

6.14.91 Leslie M 14 P brings her/rape

6.16.91 Leslie is murdered

8.10.91 Jane Doe K brings her/rape

4.16.92 Kristen **. 15 K assists

4.19.92 Kristen is murdered

[Anthea Delano]

If you look at the ages of P's victims prior to Tammy they are older-average of slightly over 18. He stalks his victims at bus stops at night, rapes them and leaves. I haven't seen pictures of the two youngest victims-it may be possible that they looked older.

After Tammy, the victims were ALL young. He did not stalk them at bus stops at night. The MO changed and it changed dramatically.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
If you look at the ages of P's victims prior to Tammy they are older-average of slightly over 18. He stalks his victims at bus stops at night, rapes them and leaves. I haven't seen pictures of the two youngest victims-it may be possible that they looked older.

After Tammy, the victims were ALL young. He did not stalk them at bus stops at night. The MO changed and it changed dramatically.

He raped whoever got off the bus at a dark and usually desolate hour. Sometimes they were 15, sometimes 18 etc. etc. He stopped his MO of bus stops at night when the composite was released and he was hauled in for questioning and DNA testing. What is the matter with you? Why do you have absoutely no ability to be objective and logical?

[Scorpio_Mind]

I really do believe that Karla was just as in control of the situation as Paul was. Further, rapist doesn't mean murderer. Don't get me wrong, I think rape is worse than murder in some ways (personal opinion); but I don't think there is any way that Paul would have killed without Karla egging him on. With Leslie, it was an accident as well. She freaked out sooner than they wanted her to, restrained her, and she was dead. I think Karla and Paul were responsible here.

Every time there was relationship tension, Karla tried pleasing Paul by enticing girls who would be victims. I think in several ways Karla is the one initiating the wrongdoing for selfish reasons, and Paul is the one following through, albeit eagerly, with the most horrific part of the crime.

[Anthea Delano]

Karla is smart. Everyone says this. Yet when there is a composite of the local rapist that looks just like her beau, a young man who has become interested in her sister, so interested that he suggests having sex with her, Karla, who is so smart doesn't connect the two things.

Unlikely, considering the events which followed.

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Date Victim MO
5.4.87 age 21 stalk/night/bus

5.14.87 age 19 "

7. 27,87 no age
attempt "
_________________________________
OCT. 17, 1987 K meets P
__________________________________
12.16.87 age 15 "

12.23.88 age 17 "

4.18.88 age 17 at night

5.30.88 age 18 "

10.4.88 attempt

11.16.88 age 18 "

12.27.88 attempt

5.20.89 attempt

8.15.89 age 22 "

11.21.89 age 15 bus

12.22.89 age 19

5.26.90 age 19 bus

________________________________
12.23.90 TAMMY
________________________________


4.6.91 age 14 MO changes/not
at night not at bus

6.7.91 Jane Doe 15 K brings her/rape

6.14.91 Leslie M 14 P brings her/rape

6.16.91 Leslie is murdered

8.10.91 Jane Doe K brings her/rape

4.16.92 Kristen **. 15 K assists

4.19.92 Kristen is murdered




Anthea, Excellant post!!!

Isn't there one victim missing? I remember reading something about a rape that took place at a party in the bathroom?

Maybe I'm off base, let me know.

Regards
~Loki

[forestgrump]

Wow, I just finished reading "Deadly Innocence"! Just when I think I can not become more outraged by the sick of sick in our world it seems I'm shown another piece of pure evil...This couple should NEVER see the light of day again and yet i'm more enraged that she's already out amoungst us all and our children....Yikes I'm digging a hole and hiding....

for all the victims:rose: you poor babies !!

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Loki





Anthea, Excellant post!!!

Isn't there one victim missing? I remember reading something about a rape that took place at a party in the bathroom?

Maybe I'm off base, let me know.

Regards
~Loki

There may be more than one victim missing. There is speculation that PB raped a young woman in Hawaii on his honeymoon with K. I am interested in the circumstances around that rape, because it occurred after their first murder. Was K involved? Did PB act alone? Was it at night?

I believe that K is the actual murderer, but there is no evidence to support this.

I think she murdered the girls in a jealous rage. JMO

[annarocket]

I remember in one of the books I read about the case (I can't remember which one) it was talked about that one night while Paul and Karla had guests, Van Smirnis and his wife JoAnn brought a single girl friend to the Bernardo house and after Karla went upstairs because she was too drunk to see strait,Paul took the girl (I think her name was Julie?) in the bathroom and they had consentual sex.

I might be wrong......anyone else have any info on that? :confused:

Originally posted by annarocket
I remember in one of the books I read about the case (I can't remember which one) it was talked about that one night while Paul and Karla had guests, Van Smirnis and his wife JoAnn brought a single girl friend to the Bernardo house and after Karla went upstairs because she was too drunk to see strait,Paul took the girl (I think her name was Julie?) in the bathroom and they had consentual sex.

I might be wrong......anyone else have any info on that? :confused:

Thanks, that was the one I was reffering to, was it consentual? Good question, gotta research that one.

:read:

[cami]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


You DO realize that while she was in prison she hooked up with a guy who killed his girlfriend when she tried to leave him? There are many reports that liken him to Paul.

Yes, I do realize all that. I am entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that Karla will not re offend. Liken him to Paul? Then he should be a DO and will never get out. If this guy is in prison for murder than he should be in there for at least 15 before he can even apply for early parole? Karla's going to wait around so they can hook up and go after young girls?

If Karla is a sex offender, a pedophile, then her compulsion, her impulse will be what drives her to reoffend, nothing more.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I don't think she would get away with jay walking at this point, but it doesn't mean she won't reoffend. I think because she is smart she will be more selective in her future romps with sick behavior. I believe she was the master mind of the kidnappings and murders. PB stalked older women at bus stops-this all changed when K came into the picture.

That's very dangerous thinking.

He was anally raping and beating up his girlfriends long before he even met Karla. He was peeping in windows from the time he was a young boy. He stalked women and video taped them at Tims and other restaurants. He followed them home, surveilled them planning to break in and rape/murder them. He cut up a woman he met in Florida or threatened to cut her up anyway. Each of his rapes was more violent than the last and it was only a matter of time before he murdered. Paul wanted virgins, there's no way he stalked just older woman to rape. They were young women coming home on the last bus. He was molesting Tammy H's young girlfriends. When he moved from Scarborough to St. Catherines, he raped a young woman from the boat club there. He's a sexual sadist with no conscience, should he ever be released from prison, he'll go right back to doing the same thing.

He's far far more dangerous than Karla.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Date Victim MO
5.4.87 age 21 stalk/night/bus

5.14.87 age 19 "

7. 27,87 no age
attempt "
_________________________________
OCT. 17, 1987 K meets P
__________________________________
12.16.87 age 15 "

12.23.88 age 17 "

4.18.88 age 17 at night

5.30.88 age 18 "

10.4.88 attempt

11.16.88 age 18 "

12.27.88 attempt

5.20.89 attempt

8.15.89 age 22 "

11.21.89 age 15 bus

12.22.89 age 19

5.26.90 age 19 bus

________________________________
12.23.90 TAMMY
________________________________


4.6.91 age 14 MO changes/not
at night not at bus

6.7.91 Jane Doe 15 K brings her/rape

6.14.91 Leslie M 14 P brings her/rape

6.16.91 Leslie is murdered

8.10.91 Jane Doe K brings her/rape

4.16.92 Kristen **. 15 K assists

4.19.92 Kristen is murdered

Doesn't look to me as if the rape victims were the "older women" you mentioned in your first post. Karla's brings Jane Doe over twice. Still not proof that Karla is more dangerous or that she talked Paul into murdering anyone.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
If you look at the ages of P's victims prior to Tammy they are older-average of slightly over 18. He stalks his victims at bus stops at night, rapes them and leaves.

Only he didn't leave, he beat some of them severely, tying one young woman to a fence. He also tortured them mentally. Each one was more violent than the last. It was only a matter of time before he killed.

You appear to be misinformed on Paul B. Maybe that's the reason you believe she is more dangerous. Paul B is a sexual sadist.

Here's a link to a good article on sexual sadists (http://www.criminalprofiling.ch/criminalsexualsadist.html)

[Anthea Delano]

I have no doubt that PB is a sexual sadist. And I know he beat several of the women he raped. My point is the killing began after Tammy. Is that not true?

[Anthea Delano]

Cami, I don't believe I ever wrote K was more dangerous than PB.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I have no doubt that PB is a sexual sadist. And I know he beat several of the women he raped. My point is the killing began after Tammy. Is that not true?

The Scarborogh rapes ended and the deliberate killing/elimination of witnesses began after he was questioned by police and DNA samples were taken. Is that not equally true, and quite a bit more SENSIBLE?

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cami


That's very dangerous thinking.


I find your wording extreme. My thinking is not "dangerous" on any level.

[Anthea Delano]

PB was a serial rapist who also beat some of his victims.

None were murdered until after TAMMY.

We know the composite was posted prior to the rape and death of Tammy. And we know that a variety of people remarked that it looked like Paul.

We know that Paul began pestering K about having sex with Tammy around this time.

We also know that the rapes put all the local young women on high alert.

Yet, very smart K never makes the connection?

:lol:

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
PB was a serial rapist who also beat some of his victims.

None were murdered until after TAMMY.

We know the composite was posted prior to the rape and death of Tammy. And we know that a variety of people remarked that it looked like Paul.

We know that Paul began pestering K about having sex with Tammy around this time.

We also know that the rapes put all the local young women on high alert.

Yet, very smart K never makes the connection?

:lol:

Scarborough and St. Catharines are both near opposite ends of a geographic region dubbed the 'Golden Horseshoe' that hugs the west end of Lake Ontario. This area is home to 8 million people, half the entire popluation of the province in a tiny fraction of the land. The two cities are hours apart from each other. He was hardly a small town 'local rapist'.

Karla was a woman who was as smitten and overwhelmed as she was smart. She would be inclined to be easily reassured about any suspicions, if she had them at all. That would be normal for anyone I think. When no action was ever taken by police after his samples were taken, what was anybody to think then?

[singlesix]

I'm surprised she hasn't fallen in front of a bus yet.

:shrug:

singlesix

[kimie2k2]

I have to say I think she is just as crazy as he is. I also agree the killing didn't really start happening until she was more in the picture. I think she got so outrages he wanted other girls, but at the same time wanted to please him, that she let him have them but then killed them to appease her anger toward them.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by cami


That's very dangerous thinking.

He was anally raping and beating up his girlfriends long before he even met Karla. He was peeping in windows from the time he was a young boy. He stalked women and video taped them at Tims and other restaurants. He followed them home, surveilled them planning to break in and rape/murder them. He cut up a woman he met in Florida or threatened to cut her up anyway. Each of his rapes was more violent than the last and it was only a matter of time before he murdered. Paul wanted virgins, there's no way he stalked just older woman to rape. They were young women coming home on the last bus. He was molesting Tammy H's young girlfriends. When he moved from Scarborough to St. Catherines, he raped a young woman from the boat club there. He's a sexual sadist with no conscience, should he ever be released from prison, he'll go right back to doing the same thing.

He's far far more dangerous than Karla.

I agree. I don't know why it's such a stretch to believe this sick individual, with all his violent tendencies, wouldn't eventually turn to murder. It happens often.
jmo

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I agree. I don't know why it's such a stretch to believe this sick individual, with all his violent tendencies, wouldn't eventually turn to murder. It happens often.
jmo

CSN,

I never said PB wasn't capable of murder. It is in no way a stretch to believe this. He was/is a very sick individual with a long history of violence. It is quite possible that he would have started murdering his victims for several logical reasons.

But, it is equally possible and logical to believe that K murdered at least one of the victims herself.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


CSN,

I never said PB wasn't capable of murder. It is in no way a stretch to believe this. He was/is a very sick individual with a long history of violence. It is quite possible that he would have started murdering his victims for several logical reasons.

But, it is equally possible and logical to believe that K murdered at least one of the victims herself.


Is not equally possible and logical to believe that Homolka murdered anyone IMO. It is possible in so far as all things are, but far, far from equally likely and IMO not logical in the least. Compared to psychopath Paul, where is the evidence of anything approaching an equal lust for violence? There is far more evidence to the contrary.

[Pretty Leaf]

Before her release there was a court hearing and I will never forget the lawyer for the families stating the following...not verbatum..I locked eyes with Karla and she knew that I was the only other person in the room who had seen the tapes and knew her true actions and complicity in the case. He stared at her until she was the one to look away..

Upon hearing this interview it becam apparant to me that there is more to this story than we have been told about her involvement.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
Before her release there was a court hearing and I will never forget the lawyer for the families stating the following...not verbatum..I locked eyes with Karla and she knew that I was the only other person in the room who had seen the tapes and knew her true actions and complicity in the case. He stared at her until she was the one to look away..

Upon hearing this interview it becam apparant to me that there is more to this story than we have been told about her involvement.

You "saw the tapes!" You "know her true actions and complicty in the case!" That is a huge statement. Can you elaborate and explain how you viewed the tapes?

[Pretty Leaf]

You did not read my post very well. I stated what the families lawyer said on Global news. HE saw the tapes and drew that conclusion. As I said this was not verbatum but left me with the impression that we do not know it all.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
You did not read my post very well. I stated what the families lawyer said on Global news. HE saw the tapes and drew that conclusion. As I said this was not verbatum but left me with the impression that we do not know it all.

I think she read your post as it was written, without quotations for the person speaking. I read it the same way the first time but I remember seeing somewhere that he said that, so I understood your post.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


I think she read your post as it was written, without quotations for the person speaking. I read it the same way the first time but I remember seeing somewhere that he said that, so I understood your post.

TY

I read that post three times.

PL, for the sake of clarity, use standard punctuation.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by ANGRYWOLF
was the prime instigator in these or any other killings..or killed anyone on her own initiative.....There's no evidence I have seen that indicates that is the way things happened..while we know what Paul did plus Paul is suspected ..but has never been charged..in other killings....killings that took place before he ever met Karla...
I think the lawyers for the victims families are making up stuff to keep her on restrictions....I think she should remain on restrictions..but I oppose lies being told and stories made up to justify it..:cuss:

I haven't read anything about PB being suspected of murders prior to meeting K. Where did you see this info? Can you supply a link?

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


I think she read your post as it was written, without quotations for the person speaking. I read it the same way the first time but I remember seeing somewhere that he said that, so I understood your post.

I didn't use quotes because it was not a direct quote just a synopsis of the information.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by ANGRYWOLF

<snipped>

I think the lawyers for the victims families are making up stuff to keep her on restrictions....I think she should remain on restrictions..but I oppose lies being told and stories made up to justify it..:cuss:

I hope that you also oppose the lies Karla told to the Prosecutors prior to signing her "deal with the devil?" Karla conveniently forgot about Jane Doe and she knew of the tapes that would incriminate her if found, which they eventually were, but it was too late, the deal was signed. I am sure that Karla is still laughing at the Prosecutors to this day!

I take offense to your statement that you think that "the lawyers for the victims' families are making up stuff to keep her (Karla) on restrictions." Nothing could be further from the truth as far as I am concerned.

JMO and MOO!!

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by ANGRYWOLF
you will find others...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

There is only ONE murder listed here and it is the murder of Elizabeth Bain, who disappeared June 19, 1990.

PB met K Oct, 1987. So you need to either amend your post or come up with another murder (s).

Robert Baltovich was convicted for this murder, but released after serving 8 years.

It is believed the police botched this investigation and wrongly convicted Baltovich.

If the police could botch this, what makes you so certain they didn't botch the investigation involving K?

Should anyone care to read about the Elizabeth Bain case, here is a link,

http://tinyurl.com/bh3o7

[Anthea Delano]

Baltovich Trial timeline

http://tinyurl.com/8rqq7


This site has solid info. and photos.

[Anthea Delano]

"Fourteen year old Terri Anderson was very pretty, vivacious and full of life. Though the Homolka's were never charged with her murder, it's pretty certain that they are responsible for her life as well. Just a month after the nude body of Kristen French was found naked in a ditch, investigators found the naked body of Terri Anderson in the waters at Port Dalhousie, it was May 23, 1992. Terri was an excellent student, cheerleader and all around good kid, despite this, the medical examiner found no sings (sic) of foul play. Of course, signs of anything would have been very difficult to obtain as Terri's body had been in the water for six months. The coroner ruled that Terri died from drowning, due to alcohol and LSD."

http://tinyurl.com/8j4vx

Terri Anderson disappeared in 1991

So far all I can find is unsolved murders which date AFTER PB met K., after Tammy's death.

[Pretty Leaf]

Thanks for that info. Even though I have followed this case I never heard of this aspect

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


CSN,

I never said PB wasn't capable of murder. It is in no way a stretch to believe this. He was/is a very sick individual with a long history of violence. It is quite possible that he would have started murdering his victims for several logical reasons.

But, it is equally possible and logical to believe that K murdered at least one of the victims herself.

Anthea,

It is possible, sure. I just think they both panicked really and that murder was never intended by either party until they began to feel like they'd be found out should they leave the girls alive.

I find it much more logical that Paul would be the actual killer. What is it that makes you believe it was Karla? Just curious. It seems to fit his profile better than hers imo.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


Anthea,

It is possible, sure. I just think they both panicked really and that murder was never intended by either party until they began to feel like they'd be found out should they leave the girls alive.

I find it much more logical that Paul would be the actual killer. What is it that makes you believe it was Karla? Just curious. It seems to fit his profile better than hers imo.

It is logical that Paul is a killer, based on his past history as a brutal rapist, but it doesn't necessarily follow that K didn't kill at least one of the victims.

K's high IQ is the sole reason I doubt her. You can't have it that PB changed his MO because his composite was plastered everywhere and he would be recognized, AND at the same time insist that K had no knowledge. This is impossible and illogical.

She was the right age to be on the alert about the rapist. Everyone must have been talking about the rapes. She had a man torturing her (according to her) to sleep with her little sister. Her boyfriend looked just like the rapist featured in the composite. Only an imbecile wouldn't put it all together. Is K an imbecile?

Since we know she's not and we know she secured the drug to assist the beau whom she knew was a PERVERT and a rapist to have his way with her sister, it can be assumed she chose to over look it.

Why?

And when her sister dies, she doesn't stop. She goes on with her life as if nothing monumental happened. She even helps secure others for PB.

Why?

The abused spouse scenario doesn't fit. She was living at home, she had friends and family.

I believe PB when he says K strangled one of the victims in a fit of jealousy

[Pretty Leaf]

And when her sister dies, she doesn't stop. She goes on with her life as if nothing monumental happened. She even helps secure others for PB.



Karla insisted that her family give her the fairy tale wedding only 6 months after Tammy was murdered. She was not going to let anything get in the way of what was "her day". Carriage ride like Cinderella to the ball.

This happened to be the same day as one of their victims mutilated body parts floated to the surface of the lake.

Another adjective to describe her narcasistic.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by ANGRYWOLF
Paull...and yes I will amend the post if I am wrong..I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong..in the meantime check out this masonic stuff with accusations the police have covered up and coddled murderers because they were masons...pretty bazarre...
http://www.mindytran.human-rights.org/rcmp_sanctioned_killers.htm

Later....:lol:

Angry,

Thanks for the link.
I've been accused of "googling my fool head off," but who cares about insults when googling reaps such interesting material.

[cantstandnuts]

K's high IQ is the sole reason I doubt her. You can't have it that PB changed his MO because his composite was plastered everywhere and he would be recognized, AND at the same time insist that K had no knowledge. This is impossible and illogical.

I don't recall ever saying that Karla didn't know he was a rapist. In fact, I think she did. Karla did a lot of things that are way out of the realm of a morally intact person, but again, it doesn't mean she is more likely the murderer of these girls. And I don't know what her high IQ has to do with it. Paul had the history of violence. Until she teamed up with Paul, Karla, that I know of (and correct me if I'm wrong), had no such history. So, to me it makes sense the one with the violent history going into the relationship is more likely the killer.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


It is logical that Paul is a killer, based on his past history as a brutal rapist, but it doesn't necessarily follow that K didn't kill at least one of the victims.

K's high IQ is the sole reason I doubt her. You can't have it that PB changed his MO because his composite was plastered everywhere and he would be recognized, AND at the same time insist that K had no knowledge. This is impossible and illogical.

She was the right age to be on the alert about the rapist. Everyone must have been talking about the rapes. She had a man torturing her (according to her) to sleep with her little sister. Her boyfriend looked just like the rapist featured in the composite. Only an imbecile wouldn't put it all together. Is K an imbecile?

Since we know she's not and we know she secured the drug to assist the beau whom she knew was a PERVERT and a rapist to have his way with her sister, it can be assumed she chose to over look it.

Why?

And when her sister dies, she doesn't stop. She goes on with her life as if nothing monumental happened. She even helps secure others for PB.

Why?

The abused spouse scenario doesn't fit. She was living at home, she had friends and family.

I believe PB when he says K strangled one of the victims in a fit of jealousy

Not to beat this to death, Anthea, but are you saying that because Karla likely knew Paul was a rapist, it is logical she is the one who instigated the murders? How's that?

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


Not to beat this to death, Anthea, but are you saying that because Karla likely knew Paul was a rapist, it is logical she is the one who instigated the murders? snip

No, not exactly. I am brainstorming. There is something not quite right and Nick Pron's series of articles in the Toronto Star has added to my feeling about this.

Did you know that Paul asked K the question "What if I was a rapist?" This was prior to the Tammy incident.

K's a high IQer, 132.

Growing up K was bossy. She was bossy in prison. Did she stop being bossy in between? She was self-confident, self-opinionated.

She was ghoulish-digging up her dead cat's corpse.

K was no low-level shy violet. She flew to Kansas to engage in kinky sex with her first beau. How old was she? She had intense sex on the first night with PB.

I believe she and Paul met as equals. I believe they were equal partners in perversion. I believe the only time she was acting for the camera was when she was on trial.

I believe it is entirely possible that she killed one of the victims, just the way PB tells it.

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


I don't recall ever saying that Karla didn't know he was a rapist. In fact, I think she did. Karla did a lot of things that are way out of the realm of a morally intact person, but again, it doesn't mean she is more likely the murderer of these girls. And I don't know what her high IQ has to do with it. Paul had the history of violence. Until she teamed up with Paul, Karla, that I know of (and correct me if I'm wrong), had no such history. So, to me it makes sense the one with the violent history going into the relationship is more likely the killer.

Hi all

I read that Karla knew all about the Rapes long before they were married.

Police found a notebook in her handwriting with locations & dates of possible rapes by PB how would she know if she wasnt there with him!

she is evil


Goatgirl

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by ANGRYWOLF
and she copied her notes from that...he may have destroyed the original before he was arrested...I just don't believe she was there with him for all of those rapes..or really any of them..there were simply too many....and the timing would be off probably..she was seen elsewhere when a rape was occuring in which case she couldn't have been there...you would think she would have been charged as an accomplice if she had been there..and I don't recall seeing any testimony by the victims that she was present..If you have any please supply a link..:cuss:

I don't think she participated in the rapes prior to Tammy, only because of the MO.

I believe she knew about them at some point. When? Perhaps after Paul asked her the question "What if I was a rapist?"

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by goatgirl


Hi all

I read that Karla knew all about the Rapes long before they were married.

Police found a notebook in her handwriting with locations & dates of possible rapes by PB how would she know if she wasnt there with him!

she is evil


Goatgirl

As described in Lethal Marriage (for sure) and Deadly Innocence (I think), Bernardo made the drive to St. Catharines from Scarborough the night of his questioning by the police about the rapes. He was extremely upset and said things along the line of "What if they arrest me just because they can't find anyone else?". They went to the library to research the rapes and Homolka noted the location and dates and times to see if she could offer some assurance that she thought that she had been with him such and such a night etc. That was the list you referred to.

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


As described in Lethal Marriage (for sure) and Deadly Innocence (I think), Bernardo made the drive to St. Catharines from Scarborough the night of his questioning by the police about the rapes. He was extremely upset and said things along the line of "What if they arrest me just because they can't find anyone else?". They went to the library to research the rapes and Homolka noted the location and dates and times to see if she could offer some assurance that she thought that she had been with him such and such a night etc. That was the list you referred to.

Hi Northen.

Well we all know Karla is a smart cookie- dont you think she could have put 2 & 2 together that all the nights the rapes happened she wasnt with him...?

just a thought- But I think she got off on it & enjoyed it just as much as Paul did.

imo & moo

GoatGirl :)

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


I find your wording extreme. My thinking is not "dangerous" on any level.

It's dangerous if you believe that Karla is more dangerous than Paul. Paul Bernardo and no one else wrapped that electrical cord around Kristen's and Leslie's necks and he strangled the life out of them, not Karla. You appear to want to negate Paul's part in these crimes. Paul was an anger retaliatory rapist and a sexual sadist.

"Anger retaliation is different because the perpetrator is actually out to punish women. Often carrying hate towards women this type of perpetrator will often substantially injure victims to the point where they require medical intervention or hospitalization."

If we all start believing that Karla is solely responsible then before you know it the bleeding hearts will be advocating parole for Paul. Paul is far far far worse and if ever released will go right back to doing what he was doing WITHOUT Karla like he did prior to meeting Karla. I don't believe Karla accellerated anything in Paul, in time he would have murdered on his own. He's suspected of other murders anyway. Yes, Elizabeth Bain for one.

That's what worries me, that somehow Paul will be able to get parole. He's already tried to make a public statement when Karla was released--once again blaming her for the murders. I know he's been declared a DO but you can appeal DO status.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that Karla should have received a life sentence and I also believe the Crown should have nullified her deal once the tapes were in police custody but they didn't as they needed her to convict Paul. Once again, it's the Crown that I hold most of my anger for, they let her get away, but allowing Paul to ever see the light of day is far far far more dangerous.

[Anthea Delano]

Cami,

My thoughts aren't dangerous. PERIOD. I don't see how my thoughts can influence this one way or another.

I don't believe for a minute that PB should ever be paroled. I never said such a thing, nor implied such a thing, either indirectly or directly. He's a serial rapist, who for the good of society, should never walk the streets again. He is a murderer. And K was this murderer's accomplice.

For the sake of argument: What if he didn't kill one of the victims? What if K was the killer?

Is it not dangerous to have K walking the streets?

That's what I'm saying.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
PB was a serial rapist who also beat some of his victims.

None were murdered until after TAMMY.

We know the composite was posted prior to the rape and death of Tammy. And we know that a variety of people remarked that it looked like Paul.

We know that Paul began pestering K about having sex with Tammy around this time.

We also know that the rapes put all the local young women on high alert.

Yet, very smart K never makes the connection?

:lol:

Of course she made the connection, she's been tested in the higher iq range, almost genius. She didn't care that's all. If she didn't turn him in for Tammy she wasn't about to for stranger rapes now was she. :seeya:

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I have no doubt that PB is a sexual sadist. And I know he beat several of the women he raped. My point is the killing began after Tammy. Is that not true?


Well the tone of your posts have Karla as the motivating factor that drove Paul to rape and kill. Paul did not need Karla, he got there all on his own.

We don't know if the killing began after Tammy. Paul is suspected of killing others but there's no proof. There's one girl I can't remember her name and it's not Elizabeth Bain.

Well why did you post Paul raped the women and then left? He didn't leave. He told one of his rape victims not to move for 20 minutes or he would kill her. When she finally did move, he ran from the bushes where he'd been watching her and punched in her in the face, knocking her down and raped her all over again.

Once again, it's the Crown that I hold responsible. I can hate or be angry at Karla for her deal but why, she only did what any of us would have done, covered her own ***.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


CSN,

I never said PB wasn't capable of murder. It is in no way a stretch to believe this. He was/is a very sick individual with a long history of violence. It is quite possible that he would have started murdering his victims for several logical reasons.

But, it is equally possible and logical to believe that K murdered at least one of the victims herself.

Why is it? He's the one with the history of violence, not Karla. I don't believe Karla murdered anyone.

[cami]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Cami,

My thoughts aren't dangerous. PERIOD. I don't see how my thoughts can influence this one way or another.

I don't believe for a minute that PB should ever be paroled. I never said such a thing, nor implied such a thing, either indirectly or directly. He's a serial rapist, who for the good of society, should never walk the streets again. He is a murderer. And K was this murderer's accomplice.

For the sake of argument: What if he didn't kill one of the victims? What if K was the killer?

Is it not dangerous to have K walking the streets?

That's what I'm saying.


Okay let's just say it was a poor choice of a word on my part.

But that's not what you were saying though, you were negating Paul's part in all of this. All it takes is one bleeding heart to get the ball rolling and before you know it Paul is being parolled because all of us have now been convinced by CC that it's her, Karla, she murdered the girls.

For the sake of argument I get your point, I just happen to disagree. I don't believe Karla murdered anyone. I don't believe Paul. Anything he has to say is totally self-serving.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by cami


<snipped>

Once again, it's the Crown that I hold responsible. I can hate or be angry at Karla for her deal but why, she only did what any of us would have done, covered her own ***.

Cami: I enjoy your posts and I admire your knowledge and expertise of this case. However, I do not want to be compared with Karla.

You have brought up this comment before, "she only did what any of us would have done, covered her own ***." I posted that I would never lie and try to cover my *** in being caught and would just "face the music!" Thus, I would appreciate it if you would only speak for yourself if you continue to make this comment. Thanks!

JMO and MOO!!

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cami



Well the tone of your posts have Karla as the motivating factor that drove Paul to rape and kill. Paul did not need Karla, he got there all on his own.

We don't know if the killing began after Tammy. Paul is suspected of killing others but there's no proof. There's one girl I can't remember her name and it's not Elizabeth Bain.

Well why did you post Paul raped the women and then left? He didn't leave. He told one of his rape victims not to move for 20 minutes or he would kill her. When she finally did move, he ran from the bushes where he'd been watching her and punched in her in the face, knocking her down and raped her all over again.

Once again, it's the Crown that I hold responsible. I can hate or be angry at Karla for her deal but why, she only did what any of us would have done, covered her own ***.


Paul did rape and leave. The victims of the rapes are still alive. That was my point.

Regarding the rest. I think K is a danger to society. PB is behind bars. She's not. And as long as she's not, she should be watched.

And if she wanted people to believe in her she might volunteer to be watched as as a sign of good faith and remorse.