ready to hear from some pedophiles? VOMIT

THIS is what we have to protect our kids from?????

http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/108/16452/155380.html

I wish they would all just shrivel up and die. They are OUT THERE.

:flamemad:

[toy soldier]

you wish that someone who has been violently assaulted and responds to that assault by essentially reliving it in his mind as a sexual fantasy over and over should shrivel up and die? when should this happen, after he was raped as a 10 year old, or when he becomes an adult?

[Mosey]

Originally posted by cowbeller1


Hey buddy, if you are trying to say Duncan was a victim and can't help himself you are in the wrong place.
Amen to that, cousing Cowbeller!:D

[toy soldier]

that sort of thing always bothers me. i don't particularly care about the morons who stupidly walk into blatant traps. they shouldn't be soliciting children in the first place. the trickery and manipulation have always bothered me. it's one of the main reasons i don't trust cops. too much coercion and manipulation.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by cowbeller1


Hey buddy, if you are trying to say Duncan was a victim and can't help himself you are in the wrong place.

oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier
that sort of thing always bothers me. i don't particularly care about the morons who stupidly walk into blatant traps. they shouldn't be soliciting children in the first place. the trickery and manipulation have always bothered me. it's one of the main reasons i don't trust cops. too much coercion and manipulation.
Cops are for the most part very carefull to avoid coercion and manipulation. That is what makes all their hard work defending the good people of the world fall apart in the courts. I am under the belief that only the bad people need worry.

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?
Toy Soldier, obviously something was lost in the translation. No one in their right mind wants to see an abused child die. It is the sicko adults that use thier troubled childhood as an excuse to justify their pedophile behaviors that need to be removed from society.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey

Cops are for the most part very carefull to avoid coercion and manipulation. That is what makes all their hard work defending the good people of the world fall apart in the courts. I am under the belief that only the bad people need worry.

try living in the bad part of a major city. you might think differently. i've had some rather bad run-ins with cops, and some good ones. but given the way corruption of cops is covered up, i'd rather not take my chances.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey

Toy Soldier, obviously something was lost in the translation. No one in their right mind wants to see an abused child die. It is the sicko adults that use thier troubled childhood as an excuse to justify their pedophile behaviors that need to be removed from society.

nobody said anything about justification, and certainly nothing about any acts against a child. i said: you wish that someone who has been violently assaulted and responds to that assault by essentially reliving it in his mind as a sexual fantasy over and over should shrivel up and die? when should this happen, after he was raped as a 10 year old, or when he becomes an adult?

i think it is an equally sick person who would think that a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault.

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


nobody said anything about justification, and certainly nothing about any acts against a child. i said:

i think it is an equally sick person who would think that a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault.
OK I will play it your way. Who said anything about a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault?

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


try living in the bad part of a major city. you might think differently. i've had some rather bad run-ins with cops, and some good ones. but given the way corruption of cops is covered up, i'd rather not take my chances.
Hey! I have a really good idea! You could always move!:D

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey

Hey! I have a really good idea! You could always move!:D

or i could just avoid cops, and keep them away from my 13 year old cousin

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


or i could just avoid cops, and keep them away from my 13 year old cousin
Is (s)he a problem child?

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey

Is (s)he a problem child?

no he isn't. i just don't trust people in high positions of power because they tend to abuse it, especially cops. one of the foster kids i used to stay with as raped by a cop and because of the blue wall of silence, he got to slide.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey

OK I will play it your way. Who said anything about a person deserves to die for fantasizing about their own assault?

the original poster of this thread, with whom i assume you agree with. the man from the link stated that he was fantasizing about his own assault, either being the abuser or the victim. a rather violent assault at that. and then said he deserved to die.

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


no he isn't. i just don't trust people in high positions of power because they tend to abuse it, especially cops. one of the foster kids i used to stay with as raped by a cop and because of the blue wall of silence, he got to slide. Internal affairs can take down that wall like a backhoe. Did you report it to the Capt. and make sure it got to IA?

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by cowbeller1


I don't know what you misunderstood about the link.
I do know if someone continues the molestation they should be jailed and I don't have a care for them.
Children that are molested are not in that catagory. If they are confused and fantasize about molesting and rape they need help. If they act on it they need imprisonment.

and i would agree with you, except clearly abused children are part of that category if they fantasize about their own assaults, at least from your opinion. that's just sick to think that if i have a nightmare or a flashback, or happen to think about it and my body reacts that i deserve to die for it.

[lateach]

Originally posted by toy soldier


oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?

I think Cowbeller ( is that from SNL & Chris Walken BTW) thought you were referring to an active pedophile or Duncan.

FYI, if anyone is interested, the link takes you to a guy whose profile states that he was abused as a young boy & soon thereafter began having fantasies & attractions toward other boys. He goes on to say he that he thinks sex between children & adults is wrong He's been in therapy his whole life, is active in victims organizations, etc. I found him the be quite articulate & it was interesting to hear from his perspective. He even speks of the guilt that adult survivors of sex abuse feel for experiencing sexual arousal or pleasure during the act. So sad to think of. Kids should never have to be confused about that. I'm having trouble getting ready to have the "talk w/ my soon-to-be 10 year old daughter. DISCLAIMER:Of course, if they way he presents himself is a guise, I would not find him as palletable. JMO

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


the original poster of this thread, with whom i assume you agree with. the man from the link stated that he was fantasizing about his own assault, either being the abuser or the victim. a rather violent assault at that. and then said he deserved to die.
Again lost in translation. I am sure cowbeller, in saying he needs to die, was referring to the teacher that molested the poster when he was a child, and not the poster himself, as an adult.

[Mosey]

Toy Soldier, probably the same opinion you hold toward the officer who allegedly raped your 13 year old cousin.:mad:

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey
Internal affairs can take down that wall like a backhoe. Did you report it to the Capt. and make sure it got to IA?

nothing i could do. i was a kid. i could barelt interact with people without shutting down.

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


nothing i could do. i was a kid. i could barelt interact with people without shutting down.
Ouch! Scars. Is the officer still on the force?

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Mosey
Toy Soldier, probably the same opinion you hold toward the officer who allegedly raped your 13 year old cousin.:mad:

actually, no. i don't wish death on anyone. not the cop, my family who puts us all through hell, not anyone. i don't think i have the right to take someone's life without an immediate reason for it. and i don't include myself in that because i really don't care what happens to me anymore.

[Mosey]

Originally posted by toy soldier


actually, no. i don't wish death on anyone. not the cop, my family who puts us all through hell, not anyone. i don't think i have the right to take someone's life without an immediate reason for it. and i don't include myself in that because i really don't care what happens to me anymore.
You need to care. Someones life in the future will depend on you.

[lateach]

Originally posted by toy soldier


actually, no. i don't wish death on anyone. not the cop, my family who puts us all through hell, not anyone. i don't think i have the right to take someone's life without an immediate reason for it. and i don't include myself in that because i really don't care what happens to me anymore.

What a sad post! This just goes to show how far out the ripples from the circle go. Millions of people damaged across the globe. What a vicious cycle. My heart goes out to you in your pain, toysoldier.

[tiny paw-prints]

Sex offender returns to community

Fargo, North Dakota

Timothy W. Vance

http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/newsevents.asp?id=720

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by cowbeller1


From your post I feel your are very upset about the crime committed against the child. Not so much as the posts.
Seek help at a funded mental health clinic for the child. It should cost little to nothing but it will take about a month before you get an appointment to get the kid in.
It will be an enormous relief to the kid to be able to talk about it to someone that will not judge them.
I believe you when you say there is a blue wal of silence and you cannot get justice for the child.
As much as this hurts you, think of how the child feels about it. They may have had feeling for the person and now are left confused.
Many victims do not get to see the perpetrator convicted, but getting therapy will allow them to vent and see they are a good person despite such a personal crime.
It seems the subject of sexual abuse keeps coming up tonight. I did not want to get into personal issues but for you I will. Because you are living it and hurt by it.
My sister was raped by a family member at 3. My other sister was molested by the same person around 11. My other sister refuses to admit any abuse but was the favorite of the family member and always taken on long rides and excursions by them. She is bipolar and I think it has to do with her denial of being molested.
Thankfully I was spared due to my sisters telling on the person. I say I was spared but it just means I was not molested in the way they were. I was embarrassed and humiliated by this person and in legal terms molested I suppose.
Like the child you posted about nothing was done to this man.
So I understand. I am proud of your anger. I do not wish the child harm and hope you will try to get help for them.
Lots of love to you and the kid. Best wishes for you both.:rose:

now i feel like an ***. sorry. i tend to block out most stuff and control my emotions, but i've been trying to connect more, so it's a process. sorry for what happened to your sisters. i was around 3 when i think my father started in on me. i generally don't bring it up because of the hassle and some previous bad experiences, and i just really don't like talking about it. pretty much, my family did to their kids what was done to them. we never reported it. i ran, but i wouldn't tell dcfs who i was, and no one reported me missing.

with that comes a ton of baggage, hence my reactions. like i said, i try to keep that under control and just not feel anything, but i'm trying to be more "normal", so i lash out from time to time. again, sorry.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by lateach


What a sad post! This just goes to show how far out the ripples from the circle go. Millions of people damaged across the globe. What a vicious cycle. My heart goes out to you in your pain, toysoldier.

thanks

[nana2]

toy soldier
if you need/want to talk privately with a surviver pm me

[Mosey]

Cousin Toy Soldier, You are an awsome person. Lash out all you want on this board. (but keep it within the rules so you dont get banned) I, for one, got your back.
:rose:

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by toy soldier


now i feel like an ***. sorry. i tend to block out most stuff and control my emotions, but i've been trying to connect more, so it's a process. sorry for what happened to your sisters. i was around 3 when i think my father started in on me. i generally don't bring it up because of the hassle and some previous bad experiences, and i just really don't like talking about it. pretty much, my family did to their kids what was done to them. we never reported it. i ran, but i wouldn't tell dcfs who i was, and no one reported me missing.

with that comes a ton of baggage, hence my reactions. like i said, i try to keep that under control and just not feel anything, but i'm trying to be more "normal", so i lash out from time to time. again, sorry.

Hugs toysoldier!! You seem to have done remarkably well considering, and the fact you talk about it at all gives insight into your strength!

Someone once asked me why they should consider therapy..my answer was because the word "cope" should not be the definition for dealing with life. This was just a troubled person, lots of baggage, she didnt tell me the details. But she did go see someone and has resolved most her issues. She now defines her life as happy.

So whatever you do, realize that things can change, and the baggage dealt with, everyone chooses different ways, i find therapists the best, because there is no vested interest except to help you figure out how best to help yourself. But the fact that you even post here, shows me how much you have overcome.

You should be proud of yourself!! sometimes its ok to lash out...we are all humans.. :)

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


Hugs toysoldier!! You seem to have done remarkably well considering, and the fact you talk about it at all gives insight into your strength!

Someone once asked me why they should consider therapy..my answer was because the word "cope" should not be the definition for dealing with life. This was just a troubled person, lots of baggage, she didnt tell me the details. But she did go see someone and has resolved most her issues. She now defines her life as happy.

So whatever you do, realize that things can change, and the baggage dealt with, everyone chooses different ways, i find therapists the best, because there is no vested interest except to help you figure out how best to help yourself. But the fact that you even post here, shows me how much you have overcome.

You should be proud of yourself!! sometimes its ok to lash out...we are all humans.. :)

I forgot to add....that therefore, use the anger, get some help to deal with the "not caring what happens to you any more", and dont let them win. Your nightmares/flashbacks and responses are perfectly normal, and there is only one person to blame for them, your molester. You know that intellectually...now you need to believe it in your heart.

You did survive your terrible situation...smiles..you have more than enough strength to get through this hurdle as well, if you let yourself.. In fact, you could do wonders for other children and adults dealing with your situation, when you are ready and if you choose to!! Very few talk publicly, and even fewer can work with it. You are a survivor...proven that already!

A double hug to you.

[nana2]

hugs to the scared child in you :rose:

from the scared child in me:rose:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by cowbeller1
I gotta say posters on this board are the nicest people.
:beer:

I agree!

:rose: < a dozen of these for all of us ..

[th@tgirl1971]

Originally posted by cowbeller1


No reason to be sorry. I don't like talking about it but I knew you were in a way like me.
It doesn't go away but it does get easier. You are just a child of fate. As I and my sisters were. Move on when you can, cry or vent when you need to.
If you want to know how screwed up this world is I will tell you, the person that harmed my sisters and humiliated me is dead now. And I cried when he died because I loved him. He was my father.
I moved to a place of forgiveness. That is something people say yet hard to understand. I had to in order to live my life.
My mother I have not spoken to in over 12 yrs. She knew, even I told her, yet she did nothing. It is odd how ones mind copes. I never want to see or talk to her. And she was not the culprit.

Isn't that the truth? My father was the alcoholic, but I hold more resentment towards my mom than I do my dad. I just felt she was the only one that could save us, but she didn't. After many years in Alanon, I realize that they both did the best they could with what they knew at the time.

For toy soldier and all victims of various diseases and addictions. :rose:

[th@tgirl1971]

Originally posted by cowbeller1
For those with troubles. Here's perspective.

I’m 15 for a moment
Caught in between 10 and 20
And I’m just dreaming
Counting the ways to where you are

I’m 22 for a moment
She feels better than ever
And we’re on fire
Making our way back from Mars

15... there’s still time for you
Time to buy and time to lose
15... there’s never a wish better than this
When you only got 100 years to live...

I’m 33 for a moment
Still the man but you see I’m a they
A kid on the way babe
A family on my mind

I’m 45 for a moment
The sea is high
And I’m heading into a crisis
Chasing the years of my life

15... there’s still time for you
Time to buy and time to lose yourself
Within a morning star
15... I’m alright with you
15... there’s never a wish better than this
When you only got 100 years to live...

Halftime goes by
Suddenly you’re wise
Another blink of an eye
67 is gone
The sun is getting high
We’re moving on...

I’m 99 for a moment
Dying for just another moment
And I’m just dreaming
Counting the ways to where you are

15... there's still time for you
22... I feel her too
33... you're on your way
Every Day's a new Day

15... there’s still time for you
Time to buy and time to choose
Hey 15... there’s never a wish better than this
When you only got 100 years to live...

How funny you posted this. I let my 14...soon to be 15 year-old daughter listen to this last night. I went out to have a cigarette, and I came in to her crying. (She wouldn't tell me why) I thought she would just roll her eyes and tell me my music was stupid. She asked me to burn it for her. There's so much truth in that song.

I want to clarify my original post.


I was angry last night when I happened upon that site because it just confirmed my feras that birds of a feather stick together. I mean, you get a group of junkies sitting around (and no offense meant because I WAS one in another life) and what are they likely to talk abvout, plan and do?

I know the perpetrators are sick, but I think it is a very bad idea for them to meet and congregate on the internet and talk about their fantasies on the net.

If they need counseling, go to a group or a counselor face to face. There are free ones if they cannot afford to pay.

The poster on that board was abused, and now he fantasizes about Dylan when he hears about this case? That got me angry.

And what I meant to say was, END THE CYCLE. Abused become abusers who create more abused and they create more abusers. I am a victim of incest and a mother of two girls which is why I may be so vociferous and angry about molesting/raping children. The only way I got over my pain was to forgive my abuser (my own brother, because if I did not forgive him my entire family would have been ripped apart).

But anyone who could take a child and torture him/her before killing them does NOT deserve forgiveness and does NOT deserve to be here with the rest of us. There are survivors of sexual abuse who do NOT BECOME ABUSERS. It is possible.

Toy Soldier, the part of that post that got me angry was THIS:

When I read about this case and the girl being found I found I was captivated by the missing boy Dylan. I looked at his picture and aside from being sad about it I was also having some thoughts flood into my mind about all the things that mightve happend to him. My imagination ran wild.

I am truly sorry to offend anyone by wishing these people would shrivel up and die, I just want them to GO AWAY.

Toy Soldier, that includes YOUR abuser.

:rose: For your bravery, Toy Soldier.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Mosey
Cousin Toy Soldier, You are an awsome person. Lash out all you want on this board. (but keep it within the rules so you dont get banned) I, for one, got your back.
:rose:


Make that two of us Toy Soldier....:rose:

[BorderCollieMom]

Originally posted by cowbeller1
I used to visit a sight where people on line would pretend to be underaged kids and let pediphiles attempt to meet up with them. Then the police would show up instead. It was adults always, pretending to be kids.
Reading the pms the perverts sent made me sick.
But it is a good program. They do not entrap the perverts, they let the jerks do it themselves and then they catch them.


pervertedjustice.com or something like that is one of the sites. They got national TV attn. here while back.

[Tig]

Originally posted by Lurker Loo
I want to clarify my original post.


I was angry last night when I happened upon that site because it just confirmed my feras that birds of a feather stick together. I mean, you get a group of junkies sitting around (and no offense meant because I WAS one in another life) and what are they likely to talk abvout, plan and do?

I know the perpetrators are sick, but I think it is a very bad idea for them to meet and congregate on the internet and talk about their fantasies on the net.

If they need counseling, go to a group or a counselor face to face. There are free ones if they cannot afford to pay.

The poster on that board was abused, and now he fantasizes about Dylan when he hears about this case? That got me angry.

And what I meant to say was, END THE CYCLE. Abused become abusers who create more abused and they create more abusers. I am a victim of incest and a mother of two girls which is why I may be so vociferous and angry about molesting/raping children. The only way I got over my pain was to forgive my abuser (my own brother, because if I did not forgive him my entire family would have been ripped apart).

But anyone who could take a child and torture him/her before killing them does NOT deserve forgiveness and does NOT deserve to be here with the rest of us. There are survivors of sexual abuse who do NOT BECOME ABUSERS. It is possible.

Toy Soldier, the part of that post that got me angry was THIS:



I am truly sorry to offend anyone by wishing these people would shrivel up and die, I just want them to GO AWAY.

Toy Soldier, that includes YOUR abuser.

:rose: For your bravery, Toy Soldier.

I understand what you were conveying. No offense to me though. This is an interesting thread. I do think I agree that to get together on the net and post my dark fantasies that are hurtful and that I am enjoying them, is not the place to be or what I should be doing. To control one's thoughts is prime to freedom. If I can't control them, or I have encouraged them till it is hard to control them for whatever reason, I then could find myself in danger of acting on those fantasies. I speak only of fantasies that hurt others or myself. To act on those thoughts is crossing the line and I will not feel sorry for anyone who does so as that too is their choice. If one is having trouble, they should get help and do everything to control those thoughts and change them to positive ones. To do otherwise is foolish, IMO.

I must say that I am appalled that so many have been abused. No fault to you but many roses and best wishes to all.

-IMO-
Peace

[cantstandnuts]

THIS is what we have to protect our kids from?????

http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/...452/155380.html

I wish they would all just shrivel up and die. They are OUT THERE.
_________________________________________

This poster is describing the fallout that one can very likely have after being molested. These feelings, while hard to accept, are relatively normal given the circumstances. Since the poster hasn't offended, there is no reason to want the person to die!

Shasta Groene could very likely grow up to experience this same phenomena. Would you like her to die too?

I am in NO WAY saying it's okay to offend because you're a victim. Duncan had a choice (was he ever even molested? Anyone know?) and he made it and for that, in my opinion, HE DESERVES TO DIE...but he offended, this poster has not. For that, he deserves praise, not condemnation. JMO

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by CanukMom


Im glad he won his law suit!! He sounds like he's come along way :rose:
Sounds almost like another Duncan that did that to him!!
Poor guy, this is what Shasta will live with also the rest of her life but put the murder of her family on top of the rape :flamemad:

Yes...and lets not forget, for all boys who are raped by another man (if old enough physically), unlike girls, there is an automatic physical response of the body via prostate stimulation (just as many men find themselves outraged at their body when they have a prostate exam in the family doctors office). Its not because its enjoyed, or because its "pleasurable", but there is often an erection and other signs of stimulation because of the bodies biological response to prostate stimulation. Tie that into late teens, adult hood, and unfortunately there is a mental connection to what SHOULD be pleasure and enjoyable or normal, to the same reaction that occurred when raped. Which imo can then translates into guilt, fears of being gay, or in some people a more "sick" reaction.

One reason imo, that more male victims become abusers, than female victims do if they dont get help, therapy and lots of reassurance that not only was it not their fault but that anything their body did in response was normal and does not mean they enjoyed it, its purely a biological response. But can u imagine the mental dissonance between what you hated, the fear, the terror, the pain, and yet the erection (depending on age) that you may have gotten????

I know adults who were never molested that had trouble with dealing with their response at a doctors office, wondering if it meant they were gay etc...how can a child integrate it in a horrific situation without lots of help?

[CJofVP]

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom



pervertedjustice.com or something like that is one of the sites. They got national TV attn. here while back. Seems to me like I recall seeing a show, where these guys would go out with a camcorder and stalk the people who had tried picking them up for sex (assuming falsely they were kids) and when they'd film these perverts while asking them about their online proclivities... some of these folks were GD'd annoyed. LOLOLOL!!
Was that the same outfit?

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


One reason imo, that more male victims become abusers, than female victims do if they dont get help, therapy and lots of reassurance that not only was it not their fault but that anything their body did in response was normal and does not mean they enjoyed it, its purely a biological response. But can u imagine the mental dissonance between what you hated, the fear, the terror, the pain, and yet the erection (depending on age) that you may have gotten????

I know adults who were never molested that had trouble with dealing with their response at a doctors office, wondering if it meant they were gay etc...how can a child integrate it in a horrific situation without lots of help?

Yes. Agree with everything here. It's like their own bodies betray them. It's just a HORRIBLE crime.

:rose: victims

[CJofVP]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
THIS is what we have to protect our kids from?????

http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/...452/155380.html

I wish they would all just shrivel up and die. They are OUT THERE.
_________________________________________

This poster is describing the fallout that one can very likely have after being molested. These feelings, while hard to accept, are relatively normal given the circumstances. Since the poster hasn't offended, there is no reason to want the person to die!

Shasta Groene could very likely grow up to experience this same phenomena. Would you like her to die too?

I am in NO WAY saying it's okay to offend because you're a victim. Duncan had a choice (was he ever even molested? Anyone know?) and he made it and for that, in my opinion, HE DESERVES TO DIE...but he offended, this poster has not. For that, he deserves praise, not condemnation. JMO

Apparently he was in an incestuious envolvement with his sister at an early age (he was 8y/o). I think I remember seeing that in his parole record in another thread.

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by CJofVP


Apparently he was in an incestuious envolvement with his sister at an early age (he was 8y/o). I think I remember seeing that in his parole record in another thread.

His step grandfather also was later arrested for molesting 50 victims. I seriously doubt that duncan wasnt one of them

[CJofVP]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


His step grandfather also was later arrested for molesting 50 victims. I seriously doubt that duncan wasnt one of them I didn't see anything about the Grandpa... hmm I'll have to go back and re-read that over.

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by CanukMom


And that is the sad part, that people cannot accept that being what they are is just the way they are. I mean if one is gay or bi or straight then that just is. Im one that believes that sexuality falls in a wide range though not just those three, and that we fall in love with a person's soul not thier shell.
However I thank God Im married to a man who is not a bigot and will accept what ever our children are or become (unlike the father who beat his son to death because he thought he may be gay:flamemad: but thats another post).
I blame society for all that though, for making people so screwed up that they cant accept who they are physically (short, tall, skinny,fat) or sexually (gay,bi, straight) or what not, always questioning whether or not they are normal. So yes add on rape and abuse and frick youve got one messed up person that needs alot of therapy :shrug:

Exactly. Which is why i have made no posts re the transvestite pics of duncan. People only think they are "sick" because its duncan (or i would hope), but there are thousands of loving normal people whose sexuality has a quirk that most dont have. If someone has the need to dress in womens clothing as a man as a part of their sexuality, its not our business, nor does it mean he is sick. Duncan IS sick..because of his sexual molestation of children, his psychopathic behavior, but not because of those pics (if they are him)

all imo.

[juiceee]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


Exactly. Which is why i have made no posts re the transvestite pics of duncan. People only think they are "sick" because its duncan (or i would hope), but there are thousands of loving normal people whose sexuality has a quirk that most dont have. If someone has the need to dress in womens clothing as a man as a part of their sexuality, its not our business, nor does it mean he is sick. Duncan IS sick..because of his sexual molestation of children, his psychopathic behavior, but not because of those pics (if they are him)

all imo.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232117

I asked on a previous thread what turned Duncan from an abused child to a sadistic, murderous paedophile?

I believe he was possibly severely abused, coupled with gender identity issues, anger and a personality disorder combined to make this sick freak.

I still have no pity for him because he made CHOICES...............

Very, very evil ones.

I could write encyclopoedias on domestic violence, child abuse, neglect etc. but couldn't most of us?????

We CHOOSE to be caring, loving, decent contributors to society. He CHOSE not to.

I hope he fries.
IMO

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by juiceee


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232117

I asked on a previous thread what turned Duncan from an abused child to a sadistic, murderous paedophile?

I believe he was possibly severely abused, coupled with gender identity issues, anger and a personality disorder combined to make this sick freak.

I still have no pity for him because he made CHOICES...............

Very, very evil ones.

I could write encyclopoedias on domestic violence, child abuse, neglect etc. but couldn't most of us?????

We CHOOSE to be caring, loving, decent contributors to society. He CHOSE not to.

I hope he fries.
IMO

I no where defended duncans actions...i agree he chose them. My comments were limited to his pics of transvestism. IMO that doesnt show anything other than him dressed as a woman. his actions when molesting/killing/kidnapping over the years is what makes him sick imo.

[Tig]

Originally posted by juiceee


http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232117

I asked on a previous thread what turned Duncan from an abused child to a sadistic, murderous paedophile?

I believe he was possibly severely abused, coupled with gender identity issues, anger and a personality disorder combined to make this sick freak.

I still have no pity for him because he made CHOICES...............

Very, very evil ones.

I could write encyclopoedias on domestic violence, child abuse, neglect etc. but couldn't most of us?????

We CHOOSE to be caring, loving, decent contributors to society. He CHOSE not to.

I hope he fries.
IMO

Choices is right. I agree with you. Whatever your sexual persuasion, may you keep it to yourself. Don't bring me into your bedroom or where ever. You bring me and society in when you choose to have sex with someone/thing without their consent or who cannot give consent. Then it becomes societies business.

Duncan made his choices and I do not feel sorry for him.

-IMO-
Peace

[juiceee]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


I no where defended duncans actions...i agree he chose them. My comments were limited to his pics of transvestism. IMO that doesnt show anything other than him dressed as a woman. his actions when molesting/killing/kidnapping over the years is what makes him sick imo.

I in no way intended to challenge you or allege you defended him, I just responded to your post in my belief that his childhood is probably a very important piece of the jigsaw.

Having said that, I would really like to know the FULL story. I still think he is a whacked out sicko and should get the death penalty.

Very many of us who suffered as children are STILL victims, not slayers.

imo

[juiceee]

Originally posted by Tig


Choices is right. I agree with you. Whatever your sexual persuasion, may you keep it to yourself. Don't bring me into your bedroom or where ever. You bring me and society in when you choose to have sex with someone/thing without their consent or who cannot give consent. Then it becomes societies business.

Duncan made his choices and I do not feel sorry for him.

-IMO-
Peace

He was also rational enough to 'blog' (or 'brag' - time will tell).

He hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of copping an insanity plea.

He makes my stomach turn, my blood boil and I cannot even begin to imagine the pain and emotional devastation he put Shasta Groene through.

As a non-violent, pacifist, anti death-penalty campaigner - GIVE ME THE GUN.

People like him have cast aside the right to be called human or live amongst us.

IMO

[Tig]

Originally posted by juiceee


He was also rational enough to 'blog' (or 'brag' - time will tell).

He hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of copping an insanity plea.

He makes my stomach turn, my blood boil and I cannot even begin to imagine the pain and emotional devastation he put Shasta Groene through.

As a non-violent, pacifist, anti death-penalty campaigner - GIVE ME THE GUN.

People like him have cast aside the right to be called human or live amongst us.

IMO

He is not insane. Attempting to blame society won't cut it as he does know right from wrong. Blame it on society etc, whatever you do, don't put the blame on you, just doesn't work for me.

I agree that he has given up his right to live among the rest of us. Or to breathe the air that those he slaughtered will never be able to do and a thousand other things they would have enjoyed were they alive. They are not now because of Duncan. He has forfeited his gift to life.

-IMO-
Peace

[cantstandnuts]

His step grandfather also was later arrested for molesting 50 victims. I seriously doubt that duncan wasnt one of them
_______________________

I thought I read that somewhere but can't remember where. In any event, he was probably a victim of his grandfather.

I don't think that made him a sadistic killer, though.
Wonder what DID happen to Duncan...or was he just born that way? :confused:

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by CanukMom


I was talking about the poor guy in the original post whose life is all messed up because of the jerk (another Duncan) who raped him and has gone through alot of issues in his life but seems to be dealing pretty good :)

But yes there are many men that do dress up and do NOT have any fantasies so whatever involving children. And there are also many straight men that enjoy dressing up. There are also many Gays that are very manly so to speak and wouldnt be caught dead in a dress:D

Yes i was talking about him too...but then your other post made me remember the outrage of many re the "sick" pics, and so i barreled in on that subject too..sighs..gotta learn to be shyer!!

Then again..u and i are canadians and todays legislation shows we have more liberal attitudes as a country as a whole..

agree with your whole post!

[MissMarchHare1]

never would I believe that poster when he says he never let his "fantasies" happen....almost ALL pedophiles try something...sometimes they scare themselves into retreat, or they get a legal scare...or fear discovery of something they did will be discovered and retreat for a time.

BUT THEY DO act on their pedophilia.....they visit sites...then panic about what might be found on their computer because they know it's illegal....they follow or watch, film or photograph children and fear their parents catching him...they follow children into changing rooms at pools or restrooms and panic for the same reason...or they touch a child and run...happy to have never been caught but not yet brave enough...yet...for the next step or vowing they will never go further...but they always do...just a bit further the next time.

I don't believe that poster......he "empathises" with Duncan, because he knows how the sickness progresses, and he knows that it will continue to progress with him.

[Nancy#1Fan]

Originally posted by toy soldier
you wish that someone who has been violently assaulted and responds to that assault by essentially reliving it in his mind as a sexual fantasy over and over should shrivel up and die? when should this happen, after he was raped as a 10 year old, or when he becomes an adult?

The sooner the better IMO

[Nancy#1Fan]

Originally posted by toy soldier


oh, please. how about reading the link first before you run off on some unrelated tangent. but it's nice to know that you'd love for victims to die on the off chance they might become abusers. perhaps you'd like to start with my 13 year old cousin. how would you like to see him die?

Has he raped anyone at gunpoint & burn his victim with cigerettes yet?

I believe the guy referenced in the link in the original post in this thread after reading that entire thread. My thoughts are that he is unusual in some ways and similar to other abuse survivors in others.

To clarify: I learned in my own years of therapy, after several incidences of molestation by the most trusted adults in my life, that it is not unusual for a victim to feel some displaced sense of arousal during and in the years following their abuse. In this way, the man is like countless other survivors. The fact that he openly discusses it is unusual and is probably one of the reasons why some people are triggered/alarmed by his posts.

He veers off from the 'norm' in that he calls himself a "pedophile" in spite of the fact that he states he has never committed any offense against a child. Here again, his frank honesty is scary to the majority of people - especially those who aren't well-versed in the subtleties of psychology - which happens to be the majority of people.

From what I can tell *he is saying there is a difference between being classified as a clinical pedophile (because of being aroused by children) and crossing over into the reality of being an actual molester and abusing them*. For most of us the fine line is just a little too doggone FINE.

Although I can truly appreciate his intellectual process and the hard work he has has done to get to the point where he has become so seemingly self-enlightened (hats off the the guy!) and in control of the effects of the 'damage' caused when he was victimized; at the same time as a mom it is terrifying to know that there are so many people out there who have such fantasies and it's tough to hear about it 'from the inside'. These types of posts trigger my greatest fears concerning my children.

I think there is also a difference in degree of severity between someone like Duncan and this guy. Duncan was abused from a very early age by those closest to him (his own sister at 8 yrs old!) and he even stated that he was molested so often that he thought it was 'normal'. <<That turns my stomach.>> He may very well have NOT been BORN with any sort of organic brain disorder that caused his anti-social psychopathy, but he was sooo damaged at such a young age that he never had a prayer of being anything close to normal. After reading the extensive background of abuse enacted upon him - and the horrendous abuse he subsequently imposed on so many other innocent children - I'm am frankly AMAZED AND DISGUSTED that he was ever allowed back into mainstream society!!!

I just hope and pray that as a society that we will finally utilize the knowledge we have that has clearly shown that people like Duncan CANNOT BE REHABILITATED and separate them for life - in whatever way.

***This is not new knowledge or wisdom!!! The Native Americans separated the rapists/molesters from the rest of their society by either ostracizing or killing them.***

I am so sick of this even being a question!!! :flamemad:

But anyway - that's my take on some of these issues and I appreciate the opportunity to air some of my opinions.

Peace,
Brooke

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Nancy#1Fan


Has he raped anyone at gunpoint & burn his victim with cigerettes yet?

i'm going to take that as a threat on my cousin's life. do it again, and i'll have you reported and banned.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


Yes...and lets not forget, for all boys who are raped by another man (if old enough physically), unlike girls, there is an automatic physical response of the body via prostate stimulation (just as many men find themselves outraged at their body when they have a prostate exam in the family doctors office). Its not because its enjoyed, or because its "pleasurable", but there is often an erection and other signs of stimulation because of the bodies biological response to prostate stimulation. Tie that into late teens, adult hood, and unfortunately there is a mental connection to what SHOULD be pleasure and enjoyable or normal, to the same reaction that occurred when raped. Which imo can then translates into guilt, fears of being gay, or in some people a more "sick" reaction. gotten????

firstly, i want to thank you and all the others who've offered their support. this is truly the first time i've seen this many people who weren't on a survivor's site, and, no offense, this many women who have been openly supportive to male victims.

i have to deal with being called "gay" virtually every time i say i was abused. i've even been called that here, after explaining what happened. the hardest part is taking that reaction and then trying to have a relationship with someone. the very act of getting aroused is a trigger. tack on how your girlfriend or wife will react to a man pulling away, and then add the social stigma that men and boys can "handle it," and you're just waiting for a breakdown. this is probably why more male victims tend to commit suicide. for them, it isn't a cry for help, just the final solution. that's probably why males are more likely to use a gun, hang themselves, or do what my uncle did and get drunk and crash their cars.

but in all fairness to male victims, there just aren't enough resources made available to male victims for them to get help. most places either deal exclusively with women or so rarely with males that it essentionally turns into blaming the guy and telling him not to become an offender.

so a lot of men and boys just either try to forget about it or end up on drugs or turn to drinking, eating, starving or mutilating themselves. imo, i think it's easier for guys to do this because no one would think much of the injuries, or any of the other things unless it was really out of control.

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by toy soldier


firstly, i want to thank you and all the others who've offered their support. this is truly the first time i've seen this many people who weren't on a survivor's site, and, no offense, this many women who have been openly supportive to male victims.

i have to deal with being called "gay" virtually every time i say i was abused. i've even been called that here, after explaining what happened. the hardest part is taking that reaction and then trying to have a relationship with someone. the very act of getting aroused is a trigger. tack on how your girlfriend or wife will react to a man pulling away, and then add the social stigma that men and boys can "handle it," and you're just waiting for a breakdown. this is probably why more male victims tend to commit suicide. for them, it isn't a cry for help, just the final solution. that's probably why males are more likely to use a gun, hang themselves, or do what my uncle did and get drunk and crash their cars.

but in all fairness to male victims, there just aren't enough resources made available to male victims for them to get help. most places either deal exclusively with women or so rarely with males that it essentionally turns into blaming the guy and telling him not to become an offender.

so a lot of men and boys just either try to forget about it or end up on drugs or turn to drinking, eating, starving or mutilating themselves. imo, i think it's easier for guys to do this because no one would think much of the injuries, or any of the other things unless it was really out of control.

Toy Soldier..you have been hanging out with the wrong women!!

As I said, its totally normal for a man who was old enough as a boy victim (or an adult victim for that matter) to have the automatic physiological reaction to have arousal trigger either flashbacks, or a "confused" reaction. Just as women also have flashbacks and difficulty in adult loving relationships after rape/abuse. Men though have that added burden of their body telling them there was some "pleasure" in the abuse and so therapy imo is vital.

Re people calling you gay, etc..my answer to them would be simple. "if you think that because i was abused, i am gay, then YOU have a big problem, and I have a small one". And believe it. Its their problem not yours.

On the womens side, most women dont realize that the prostate itself has that result on a male, so therefore they dont think of the extra "complication" that arises when anally raped..no pun intended. So what you need to do is a) find a good therapist, who can help you accept that it truly is nothing thats your fault, and that your normal reactions can be dealt with! You will find a good relationship, i dont know your age, but believe me you will. Especially when you are happier with yourself

Gotta like yourself toy soldier..you are a good person, and a survivor so dont let small minds get you down. And thank your lucky stars that you were able to deal with it enough to realize that it doesnt mean your nuts, or sick, or otherwise totally broken.

And since you DO understand the differences, and seem to have accepted your reactions to the point of being able to discuss them think of how you could help male victims!! As you siad there are not that many places they can talk and the issues are different from womens. I think you could be a big asset..perhaps volunteer at a victims center, see if you want to get more involved.

So now that I have told you how to run your life (hope you dont really take it like that), i will get off my soap box lol.

sighs..ok i shoot my mouth off and been lucky enough to never be abused...so i cant feel the same thing, i can only empathize..

[HeronInTheSnow]

Originally posted by toy soldier


i'm going to take that as a threat on my cousin's life. do it again, and i'll have you reported and banned.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[jenniann]

I would just like to add it's not only males who might have an unwanted physiological response to sexual abuse. While it doesn't happen as often to females, I think it can happen.

Many of my chemical dependency patients were victims of sexual abuse, usually by a family member. Many of them told me that when this occurred in their early teens they found themselves "physically responding" [I won't go into detail about how].

The conflict between hating the abuser and their bodies response led to some very confused young women. So many of them repeatedly ended up in abusive relationships with men. They could not see sexual intimacy as a loving relationship.
JMO

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by jenniann
I would just like to add it's not only males who might have an unwanted physiological response to sexual abuse. While it doesn't happen as often to females, I think it can happen.

Many of my chemical dependency patients were victims of sexual abuse, usually by a family member. Many of them told me that when this occurred in their early teens they found themselves "physically responding" [I won't go into detail about how].

The conflict between hating the abuser and their bodies response led to some very confused young women. So many of them repeatedly ended up in abusive relationships with men. They could not see sexual intimacy as a loving relationship.
JMO

True Jenni, its rarer simply because its not as easy to cause, but women can as well.

Its a subject that we often dont talk about, there is an assumption that no one could physically respond in the midst of a horror, but unfortunately its one of the things that not only happen, it causes great confusion and guilt.

I am astounded by toy soldiers description at some of the places who deal mainly with womens responses to a male victim. And given the cycle of abuse, you would THINK that males would have as many resources available to help them deal with trauma.

Not only do we have to deal with SO's, until we started dealing with ALL victims at any age who need help the problems of abuse reactions will perpetuate. Thankfully its a small number that turn into so's themselves, however it seems to me that free resources should be available to any victim of either sex, and at any age they go for help. When you look at the cost of treating drug dependency, alcohol abuse, spousal abuse, disability due to depression and other psychological illnesses, it would pay for itself within 10 years. Let alone medical costs of suicide attempts, police intervention, crimes that occur because of the broken mind that has turned to drugs/alcohol etc to feed the habit, cost of jails for the convicted of these crimes.

The system seems to always want to shut the barn door after the horse has left. Lets start getting free treatment available no matter how many years after abuse occurred (since many dont report for years), and as a society stop condemning the abused for problems but start treating them. (NO i am not talking about ones who have crossed the line and molested/murdered, just the ones that need intervention and help long before other issues arise so they can live happy lives)

imo

[Mosey]

Originally posted by HeronInTheSnow


:lol:
It might behoove you to read this entire thread before you post. Then maybe you might have some understanding of the series of events.:no:

[Mosey]

Originally posted by Nancy#1Fan


Has he raped anyone at gunpoint & burn his victim with cigerettes yet?
You too. Refer to above:rolleyes:

[JustCuz]

Originally posted by Tig


He is not insane. Attempting to blame society won't cut it as he does know right from wrong. Blame it on society etc, whatever you do, don't put the blame on you, just doesn't work for me.

I agree that he has given up his right to live among the rest of us. Or to breathe the air that those he slaughtered will never be able to do and a thousand other things they would have enjoyed were they alive. They are not now because of Duncan. He has forfeited his gift to life.

-IMO-
Peace

Regular posters, please forgive my brief off topic to reach an old friend.

Dear Tig
:seeya:

Wanted to notify you first my dear friend of long ago!
I have cancelled the sp website today.
http://myispvideo.com


I do not know how long it takes them to delete it but wanted you to know. I will find a Laci thread and post at WS also.

Blessings to your my friend!

And prayers to the families of all victims!
:rose:

[Tig]

Originally posted by JustCuz


Regular posters, please forgive my brief off topic to reach an old friend.

Dear Tig
:seeya:

Wanted to notify you first my dear friend of long ago!
I have cancelled the sp website today.
http://myispvideo.com


I do not know how long it takes them to delete it but wanted you to know. I will find a Laci thread and post at WS also.

Blessings to your my friend!

And prayers to the families of all victims!


:rose:

Hi JustCuz! :seeya:

It is so good to see you. <Big huge smile> I have thought of you often. You are so special. I better high myself over as I lost all the picts when I had to format. I will never forget what you did with a simple loving idea. Kudo's to you. There are many who will be glad to see you on the lacy boad for sure.

May the dear Lord keep you safe and well, friend...

-IMO-
Peace

[Tig]

Originally posted by Tig


Hi JustCuz! :seeya:

It is so good to see you. <Big huge smile> I have thought of you often. You are so special. I better high myself over as I lost all the picts when I had to format. I will never forget what you did with a simple loving idea. Kudo's to you. There are many who will be glad to see you on the lacy boad for sure.

May the dear Lord keep you safe and well, friend...

-IMO-
Peace

Can't edit so quote will do. The Laci board or the on going discussion is on the Trial Message Board. In case you can't find it. Your name was just mentioned a few days ago there, I believe. That you were missed.

-IMO-
Peace

[kansas queen]

As a rep for an 11-county domestic violence assoc here in north central KS, one of the biggest concerns IS the repeat of violence by the survivor, therefore, one of the most important parts of the program (it's multi-faceted), is the support portion. There are support groups for survivors of domestic violence and for survivors of sexual assault. Both groups are VERY well attended and always last longer than the allotted time (which is no problem for the leaders of the groups). Do your community a favor, get involved! If you're not a survivor, be a volunteer. With all of the budget cutbacks facing domestic policies, you are needed now more than ever! If you are a survivor, seek out the support association in your area and attend group meetings. It's like free counselling and very cathartic to speak to others from like backgrounds.

[toy soldier]

Originally posted by Suziepie


That's what I thought. Can toy soldier read?

:rolleyes: yes i can, in english, spanish, italian, along with some latin, russian, and japanese.

I've been following this case consistently since the slaughter of an innocent family and the disappearance of two lovely kids. Its simply heartbreaking and soul destroying stuff. I was beginning to think this would become a case of two children who'd never be found - thank goodness I was wrong. My heartfelt prayers go to Shasta and her remaining family.

I've read this post right through, following all the discussion about abusers and the effects they have on their victims. I also was a victim of sexual abuse at age 7 and 13 - but I dealt with it, like so many thousands do. Until I reached the age of 14 when my father died, that is.

Then, I met another abuser - not sexual, but nonetheless the effects were catastrophic. A married man - attaching himself to my widowed mother. The manipulation, deceit, lies, hurt etc that ensued for EIGHTEEN years had a huge mental impact on me and my little brother right through to this SOB's death 2 years ago. His inability to consider the feelings of two young teens whilst he dragged my mum off to have sex in another room (myself fully aware of what they were doing)....the constant lies and use of me as his "excuse" for being at our house when he was "caught" ... having to lie to my own child when she asked why we can't go see "Pop" at his house.....ugh, the continuous abuse of trust is sickening.

My point, I guess, is that there are so many "Abusers" out there. Sexual abuse is horrific, any victim knows this. Mental abuse - over so long - has been as much, if not more, horrific in its own way. So many people in this world think it is acceptable to mess with peoples minds without ANY regard for the consequences of their actions.

Why? I truly don't know. I just wish people in every day life realised the impact their choices have on so many innocent people.....whether its sexual abuse or not.

Cheers

[toy soldier]

Sexual abuse is horrific, any victim knows this. Mental abuse - over so long - has been as much, if not more, horrific in its own way. So many people in this world think it is acceptable to mess with peoples minds without ANY regard for the consequences of their actions.

so true. of all the stuff i went through, the thing that sticks with me the most is when my grandfather told me the only reason i was still alive was because i was a good ride (he used an expletive). that's always stuck with me. the mind games and things said that just pop up the moment you do one thing wrong.

[mom2bones]

That site just makes me sick. I could'nt even read one word. and yes I can read.
Thoughts and acts like theirs are un- acceptable. We need to watch over our children for they are most vulnerable.

[jilli]

Originally posted by toy soldier
that sort of thing always bothers me. i don't particularly care about the morons who stupidly walk into blatant traps. they shouldn't be soliciting children in the first place. the trickery and manipulation have always bothered me. it's one of the main reasons i don't trust cops. too much coercion and manipulation.

SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!
I agree 100%

[jilli]

Originally posted by mom2bones
That site just makes me sick. I could'nt even read one word. and yes I can read.
Thoughts and acts like theirs are un- acceptable. We need to watch over our children for they are most vulnerable.

I strongly agree with this post. If we don't watch over our children they will.

[Lebebe]

One of the things that struck me immediately as I was reading
what that pervert wrote, is that it's all a head game.

How many times have you heard, from their own mouths, that when they are caught and fess up, that they get 'off' , reliving their crimes when they talk about it?

This SOB is no different! He's getting his jollies thinking about a child who went through God~ know~what before he died..almost as if he's jealous HE didn't do it. To say he has his pedophilia in check is the most.....oh man.......don't get me going.

I still think castration with these @&#%@*! is the way to go......
what satisfaction can you have with a penis that won't get hard, or no orgasm? I'm hoping NONE.

He makes me sick............
They make me sick.


:rose: To those whose stories I read on this thread...Survivors
who never should have been put in the position they were put in.

[jilli]

Originally posted by Lurker Loo
THIS is what we have to protect our kids from?????

http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/108/16452/155380.html

I wish they would all just shrivel up and die. They are OUT THERE.

:flamemad:
Unfourtantly I read some of the posts on that website:mad: NOT HAPPY. Their is a guy on their saying and arguing with another guy about having sexual fantacies about children saying that he is a pedophile and that they can control never acting on anything also saying he never did as living proof. Then as posted months later saying he had been in denil about himself and has been abusing children all along.That is what scares me the most. Compulsive lying pedophiles:cuss:

[emay1emay]

and i do think the man is to be applauded for his honesty and if you stop and think how hard all of this is for him to deal with as an adult survivor.......so brave

[jilli]

Originally posted by babebdoll

If thats what u read then yes i understand how you feel, but i have read that thread and i have not seen anything about him saying he abused children all along. I understand that he still has an attraction for young boys, yet is not acting out on them. This subject his a very risky subject, ans i apllaud that person for coming out, not for who he may be. Same with many of the people in this forum who come out and tell their stories. Like Toy Soldure. Your a brave person

I had read other posts by the same person and he had admited that he had been molesting boys for a while but the post you read (the same asI)said he hadn't acted upon anything.
That's why I said that.;)

[lorilee228]

what a naive thing to say! heh!

Originally posted by Mosey

Cops are for the most part very carefull to avoid coercion and manipulation. That is what makes all their hard work defending the good people of the world fall apart in the courts. I am under the belief that only the bad people need worry.

[lorilee228]

as a former victim, i know why you assume as you do but you are wrong. the suffering does not need be life long and if life loong suffering is what they got then they are not taking responsibility for their own self. same as the abusers. it was not responsible for me to sit around and act like a jerk anymore because i was abused. now i am an adult and i have kids of my own and i have to grow up and take responsibility for my own recovery. no more blame. this approach really works better than a life long pity party.


Originally posted by babebdoll


You make some good points, but u really dont provide good reasons to support your oppinion, Dave Pelzer was not sexually abused, he was physically abused by his mom, and severly by that( i read the books) the person i was applauding never harmed a child in anyway, he got help but i absolutly agree with you that they should be held accountable if theysexually abuse a child, no matter if they were a victim at one point. You tend to see more victims becoming preditors because they never recieved the proper counselling and treatment for thier own assult... still not an excuse. I feel that it shouldnt matter what they do to a child, the sexually assult them, no matter how bad the case all victims hurt the same and lose trust in people, but to put some kind of rating on it as if, oh he only touched her down there it wasnt full on rape he gets so'odd years, that is absoulutly ludacris. How will that child feel, they have already been made feel worthless and to add on the fact that they are going to take it as oh, what happened to me wasn't worth much, wouldnt help much. Im not sure if this makes sence to anyone else...

JMO

[lorilee228]

hi lurker loo,

i wonder how it is that you became involved with a support group for sex offenders? i think it is important for people with addictions and afflictions to have somewhere to go to talk instead of acting out how bout you? too bad those guys who killed carlie and jessica and megan did not go there instead eh!

Originally posted by Lurker Loo
THIS is what we have to protect our kids from?????

http://www.sexcriminals.com/forums/108/16452/155380.html

I wish they would all just shrivel up and die. They are OUT THERE.

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