Paul Bernardo Speaks

[Angel~Eyes]

July 5th. 2005:

http://www.canada.com/national/features/homolka/story.html?id=b471526f-3c03-48ab-a763-0d13164f0692

[BJames]

I have seen his attorney Bryant on a Legal Briefs program that we have here in Canada, he has always said that before Karla Paul was a rapist but not a killer. They are both bad fish not only for doing what they did, but if either ever had second thoughts neither went to LE with the information. Karla made her deal figuring the world would never hear any other side of the story as Bernardo was going away for life as a sexual offender with a total publication ban. I find it interesting that althought they are not letting Paul speak directly, his lawyer seems free to expess the opinions of his client.
So now instead of the crimminal justice keeping an eye on her it has become the duty of the public....that must be where all of my taxes are going to such an effective system. Good grief.

Just my opinion of course.

[chilione]

Thanks for the link Angeleyes. It is probably true that it was Karla"s idea to murder Leslie. Paul was a serial rapist who let all of his victims go even after they saw his face in the past. It was Karla that injected her sister Tammy killing her because she was jealous of her IMO.

[cami]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
July 5th. 2005:

http://www.canada.com/national/features/homolka/story.html?id=b471526f-3c03-48ab-a763-0d13164f0692

Anything Bernardo has to say is totally self-serving and designed to appeal his DO status in hopes of being released someday. He had no intention of letting Leslie go at all, he's lying.

He's the one who is seen beating and threatening to kill Leslie and Kristen on the tapes. I don't for one minute believe Karla incited him at all. He's an evil lying piece of trash.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by cami


Anything Bernardo has to say is totally self-serving and designed to appeal his DO status in hopes of being released someday. He had no intention of letting Leslie go at all, he's lying.

He's the one who is seen beating and threatening to kill Leslie and Kristen on the tapes. I don't for one minute believe Karla incited him at all. He's an evil lying piece of trash.

Did you see the tapes Cami? If so, how and where? TIA!

[chilione]

Originally posted by cami


Anything Bernardo has to say is totally self-serving and designed to appeal his DO status in hopes of being released someday. He had no intention of letting Leslie go at all, he's lying.

He's the one who is seen beating and threatening to kill Leslie and Kristen on the tapes. I don't for one minute believe Karla incited him at all. He's an evil lying piece of trash.

You're right...Paul is an evil lying piece of trash...just like Karla!

[Belly Button]

IF Paul and Karla had committed their gruesome murders in Texas or in Florida, no doubt they would be on death row awaiting exection. There wouldn't have been been any sweetheart deals for Karla.

I find it tragic that Karla is out of prison after serving only 12 years, free to hook up with another Paul Bernardo type, and very capable murdering more innocent victims.

As for Paul Bernardo serving a Life Sentence, is that with or without the possibility of parole?


:rose: My heart felt compassion for the Mahaffy and French families.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Belly Button
IF Paul and Karla had committed their gruesome murders in Texas or in Florida, no doubt they would be on death row awaiting exection. There wouldn't have been been any sweetheart deals for Karla.

I find it tragic that Karla is out of prison after serving only 12 years, free to hook up with another Paul Bernardo type, and very capable murdering more innocent victims.

As for Paul Bernardo serving a Life Sentence, is that with or without the possibility of parole?

:rose: My heart felt compassion for the Mahaffy and French families.

Paul is in prison for the rest of his life ~ without the possibility of parole. Canada doesn't have the Death Penalty or I am sure that is what Paul would have got. It's the same sentence that needed to be handed down to Karla. If it was, we all wouldn't be posting on this Board right now!

It is such a dirty rotten shame that the prosecutors made such a horrible mistake. I don't know which is worse ~ The Karla Homolka/Paul Bernardo Trials or the OJ Simpson Trial! Both of them were a travesty of justice IMO!

JMO and MOO!!

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Paul is in prison for the rest of his life ~ without the possibility of parole. Canada doesn't have the Death Penalty or I am sure that is what Paul would have got. It's the same sentence that needed to be handed down to Karla. If it was, we all wouldn't be posting on this Board right now!

It is such a dirty rotten shame that the prosecutors made such a horrible mistake. I don't know which is worse ~ The Karla Homolka/Paul Bernardo Trials or the OJ Simpson Trial! Both of them were a travesty of justice IMO!

JMO and MOO!!

I believe Oliver Wendell Holmes had it right when he said, "This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice."

[cami]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Did you see the tapes Cami? If so, how and where? TIA!

No, no one but the jury in Paul's trial and LE has seen those tapes. YOu can't see them, they are under a complete publication ban, news black out. They've been destroyed now anyway.

I've read all the books. Some of the books have transcript from the tapes in them. The gallery would have heard the tapes during the trial. Lethal Marriage for one has transcript.

[cami]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Paul is in prison for the rest of his life ~ without the possibility of parole. Canada doesn't have the Death Penalty or I am sure that is what Paul would have got. It's the same sentence that needed to be handed down to Karla. If it was, we all wouldn't be posting on this Board right now!

It is such a dirty rotten shame that the prosecutors made such a horrible mistake. I don't know which is worse ~ The Karla Homolka/Paul Bernardo Trials or the OJ Simpson Trial! Both of them were a travesty of justice IMO!

JMO and MOO!!

The Crown had to apply, after his verdict, for Dangerous Offender status so that Paul would not ever be parolled. NO we don't have a DP, life is 25. They can apply for early parole under what we call the "faint hope" clause. Paul can appeal his DO status. NOt that it will do him any good, he'll never be free from prison. Karla fooled the Crown, Paul won't. He did not ever intend to let Leslie or Kristen or Karla go--ever.

Not to take anything away from that evil Karla but Paul is ten times worse than she'll ever be.

[cami]

Originally posted by chilione


You're right...Paul is an evil lying piece of trash...just like Karla!

Yes she is, there's no doubt about it but don't be fooled by Paul. He and he alone put that electrical tape around Leslie's neck and pulled, not Karla. He had no intention of letting her go. Anything Paul has to say is totally self-serving.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by cami


The Crown had to apply, after his verdict, for Dangerous Offender status so that Paul would not ever be parolled. NO we don't have a DP, life is 25. They can apply for early parole under what we call the "faint hope" clause. Paul can appeal his DO status. NOt that it will do him any good, he'll never be free from prison. Karla fooled the Crown, Paul won't. He did not ever intend to let Leslie or Kristen or Karla go--ever.

Not to take anything away from that evil Karla but Paul is ten times worse than she'll ever be.

I don't think people think often enough about what a life sentence really means in our system when they blast Karla and her 12 year deal. Life is 25 years, with the possibility of parole well before that for most offenders. Good behavior (which she had) and cooperating in the investigation and providing testimony (which she did) both would have served to reduce the time she served on a life sentence. Also, IMO a full airing of all the facts in a public trial would have never resulted in anyone judging her as a full partner in these crimes because the contrast between Paul and Karla's motivations and actions is stark. This also would have greatly impacted what she was untimately convicted of, and sentenced to. 12 years is likely about what she would have served anyway, and perhaps less.

[Belly Button]

Originally posted by cami


The Crown had to apply, after his verdict, for Dangerous Offender status so that Paul would not ever be parolled. NO we don't have a DP, life is 25. They can apply for early parole under what we call the "faint hope" clause. Paul can appeal his DO status. NOt that it will do him any good, he'll never be free from prison. Karla fooled the Crown, Paul won't. He did not ever intend to let Leslie or Kristen or Karla go--ever.

Not to take anything away from that evil Karla but Paul is ten times worse than she'll ever be.

Is the Canadian's Crown same or similar to the USA's prosecution?

[northernrflxn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belly Button


Is the Canadian's Crown same or similar to the USA's prosecution? [/QUOTE

Very similar. One big difference is that there are no elected positions in the justice system in Canada. All judges and attorneys are appointed employees of the government.

[Belly Button]

Thanks for explaining that.

[cantstandnuts]

I'm not sure what I think about the fact that Paul never killed anyone before Karla came on the scene.

I tend to lean toward believing he would have murdered eventually, without Karla. I'm not sure I believe she was the instigator of the murders...I think it was either a mutual idea or Paul's alone and that she went with it for a couple different reasons...one, that she didn't want to be implicated by anyone so best to kill the witnesses...second, that Paul wanted to kill them and therefore, anything Paul wants, Paul gets. JMO.

I am convinced killing Tammy was a complete accident and the best they could do was cover up their part in it. I'm also not so sure there was any remorse there. I think it may have turned out that Karla was somewhat relieved that Tammy died. It's possible she was jealous of the relationship between Paul and Tammy and that having her dead took care of that. I know some articles allude to that. On the other hand, perhaps having Tammy dead, in Karla's mind, would stop the rapes and torture of Tammy and that in a way, she'll have peace knowing nobody else will defile her baby sister. In her warped way of thinking, she may justify this death by thinking "Tammy won't be hurt anymore." That may help ease her conscience, assuming she has one, which I am pretty much convinced she doesn't. Nevertheless, if she does have some sort of conscience, this would be a way to ease her feelings.

I wouldn't believe a thing Paul says, but there isn't really any reason I can see for him to bother to say anything at all at this point unless there is truth to it. He has nothing to gain, so why bother? If I think of it in those terms, there is some validity to what he says. But, being the freak he is, he may just want her to suffer in prison like he is...one more bid for control over Karla.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
I'm not sure what I think about the fact that Paul never killed anyone before Karla came on the scene.

I tend to lean toward believing he would have murdered eventually, without Karla. I'm not sure I believe she was the instigator of the murders...I think it was either a mutual idea or Paul's alone and that she went with it for a couple different reasons...one, that she didn't want to be implicated by anyone so best to kill the witnesses...second, that Paul wanted to kill them and therefore, anything Paul wants, Paul gets. JMO.

I am convinced killing Tammy was a complete accident and the best they could do was cover up their part in it. I'm also not so sure there was any remorse there. I think it may have turned out that Karla was somewhat relieved that Tammy died. It's possible she was jealous of the relationship between Paul and Tammy and that having her dead took care of that. I know some articles allude to that. On the other hand, perhaps having Tammy dead, in Karla's mind, would stop the rapes and torture of Tammy and that in a way, she'll have peace knowing nobody else will defile her baby sister. In her warped way of thinking, she may justify this death by thinking "Tammy won't be hurt anymore." That may help ease her conscience, assuming she has one, which I am pretty much convinced she doesn't. Nevertheless, if she does have some sort of conscience, this would be a way to ease her feelings.

I wouldn't believe a thing Paul says, but there isn't really any reason I can see for him to bother to say anything at all at this point unless there is truth to it. He has nothing to gain, so why bother? If I think of it in those terms, there is some validity to what he says. But, being the freak he is, he may just want her to suffer in prison like he is...one more bid for control over Karla.

I thought exactly like you did until I discussed this case with my 18 yr old d.
Her point of view surprised me. She thinks she intended to kill her sister from the moment she bought the drug. Why? Because properly administered her sister would awaken from the drug and know something was wrong. She would be horribly sore in places that shouldn't be sore. Her mother would have taken her in for an examination. It would be revealed that she had been molested and it happened when her sister and PB were there. There would be no fixing this.

She thinks K actually knew that PB was the rapist and that she got a sexual charge out of it, but at the same time K was jealous of his victims.

[cantstandnuts]

She thinks K actually knew that PB was the rapist and that she got a sexual charge out of it, but at the same time K was jealous of his victims.

I think there's truth to that. I do think she got a charge from all these crimes. I'm just not sure she wanted to kill her sister.
Jane Doe should have felt sore in areas where she shouldn't feel sore, too, but she didn't have any memory of her rape...wouldn't that give P and K a sense of security, thinking it would be the same for Tammy? I don't know that they feel any remorse for Tammy, I think they saw it as somewhat of a relief, but again, I am not sure they planned to kill her. Who knows for sure? Only Paul and Karla...I wouldn't expect either of them to tell...

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
She thinks K actually knew that PB was the rapist and that she got a sexual charge out of it, but at the same time K was jealous of his victims.

I think there's truth to that. I do think she got a charge from all these crimes. I'm just not sure she wanted to kill her sister.
Jane Doe should have felt sore in areas where she shouldn't feel sore, too, but she didn't have any memory of her rape...wouldn't that give P and K a sense of security, thinking it would be the same for Tammy? I don't know that they feel any remorse for Tammy, I think they saw it as somewhat of a relief, but again, I am not sure they planned to kill her. Who knows for sure? Only Paul and Karla...I wouldn't expect either of them to tell...

Jane Doe was raped AFTER Tammy was raped and killed. The first was in June following Tammy's death. The second time is in August. During the second rape, she stopped breathing but Paul revived her.

Obviously, by these rapes of Jane Doe using the same method of drugging as they did Tammy that killed her, there is no showing of remorse.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
She thinks K actually knew that PB was the rapist and that she got a sexual charge out of it, but at the same time K was jealous of his victims.

I think there's truth to that. I do think she got a charge from all these crimes. I'm just not sure she wanted to kill her sister.
Jane Doe should have felt sore in areas where she shouldn't feel sore, too, but she didn't have any memory of her rape...wouldn't that give P and K a sense of security, thinking it would be the same for Tammy? I don't know that they feel any remorse for Tammy, I think they saw it as somewhat of a relief, but again, I am not sure they planned to kill her. Who knows for sure? Only Paul and Karla...I wouldn't expect either of them to tell...

Thank you. Your post led me to do more research. It is really unfortunate that those tapes aren't available at least in some edited form. Karla purposely left Jane Doe out initially in her chronology because the tapes weren't in the hands of the investigators. Her testimony is full of self-serving lies.

I still believe she intended to kill her sister, whether it was a conscious or subconscious act it is moot.

I believe she couldn't kill Jane Doe, even though she may have wanted to. Jane Doe's family would have known that she was in K & P's company so IF she had died in a similar manner to Tammy it would have been obvious to the the LE that something was amiss with the perfect couple, K & P. K took a big chance with Jane Doe and it paid off. Jane didn't remember and they got off scott free for what they had done to her.

The more I read, the more I think she was the killer, not Paul.

MOO

[cantstandnuts]

Jane Doe was raped AFTER Tammy was raped and killed. The first was in June following Tammy's death. The second time is in August. During the second rape, she stopped breathing but Paul revived her.

Yes, thanks, I remember now. I have a hard time keeping the timelines straight since they were up to so much during such a short period of time.

[Anthea Delano]

I would like to see a thread called Jane Doe speaks. As the sole surviving victim of the Bernardos, what she has to say is of interest.

[cantstandnuts]

I would like to see a thread called Jane Doe speaks. As the sole surviving victim of the Bernardos, what she has to say is of interest.


That's for sure. I wonder, though, if she is, in fact, the sole survivor of them or if there are some we don't know about. I'd be willing to bet there are.

[Star]

I too would love to hear what jane doe has to say. perhaps in time she will speak.

Getting back tot he original topic, I would like to hear what Paul has to say whether it be truth or not. how can we really know anyhow but hearing his side would be nice since all we've ever heard was karla's. it's all been one sided IMO.

I've always believed that Karla iniciated the killings. Paul was a serial rapist before he met Karla, not a killer. He let his victims go free. Karla playing a role in her sister's death tells me that she liked what her and Paul were doing. Didn't she play a big part in finding the "right girl"?

Paul and Karla are both sick individuals that should never be let out free. Paul fortunately will never be free since he is deemed a dangerous offender. Karla is now free which both infuriates and scares me. She is so dangerous, too dangerous to be walking among society.

She will look for another Paul Benardo and probably will find him and do this again. She's a master manipulator and she doesn't fool me one tiny bit.

I live in st. catharines and lived here when her and paul commited these horrific crimes. I certainly don't want to see her walking around my streets. I don't think anyone does in this city.

Her own father wants nothing to do with her. that also tells me a lot about who and what she is.

I totally agree with you Star. And yes I would have wanted to hear what Paul had to say too. And as you said, we could choose to believe him or not.

Look at the pic, murders didn't start till she came into the pic.
All she read in prison was about murders.
She is told she can have a penpal, what type of person does she choose...a murderer.

She is obsessed with murder. I think its going to be a waiting game. Who is going to kill first. Her kill someone else, or someone kills her since she is so hated.

I must say I have mixed feeling s when it comes to this whole affair as well. I don't see Paul doing the killing yet at the same time I see him eventually doing it at one point or another if not caught. I've read a lot on these two characters and the implications are there if you look for them, Karla was most likley the one to do the deeds originally yet to dispaose of both them would have required help. At that point she, if she did not do it, is now an accesory to murder. It would have taken at least two people, two cut up, carry and dispose of Leslie. Due to the manner in which she was killed I would think it safe to say there was more than one person involved. That being said, and I'm not in the justice system, why didn't anyone put two and two together?
I feel for those that lived in the area at the time this was going on, Star for one, as well as all the others. I just think there was and should have been more done to stop this at the time of, too many times we find out about bungled cases after the fact.
IMO They should both be in jail indefinatley. No parole, no chance, Ever!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by cantstandnuts
I would like to see a thread called Jane Doe speaks. As the sole surviving victim of the Bernardos, what she has to say is of interest.

That's for sure. I wonder, though, if she is, in fact, the sole survivor of them or if there are some we don't know about. I'd be willing to bet there are.

I have heard of at least 2 other women that I am confused about. One was a "Julie" who was either the girlfriend or the wife of a friend of Paul's. She and Paul had sex with the knowledge of Karla and the boyfriend/husband. The other was a prostitute in the U.S. that Paul procured for a threesome.

I know that these 2 woman are probably irrelevant to the Paul and Karla case, but I am just wondering if they were ever questioned regarding Paul and Karla. Does anyone know or does it matter? Thanks!

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
I would like to see a thread called Jane Doe speaks. As the sole surviving victim of the Bernardos, what she has to say is of interest.

There was a 2 page interview with the 2 Jane doe victims
in our local newspaper just prior to Karla's release.

I am not sure if you read or heard about it, I wish I had a link.

it was very sad & even more shocking to read what these girls endured.

let me know if you want the details from the interviews?

Thanxs Goatgirl

:seeya:

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by goatgirl


There was a 2 page interview with the 2 Jane doe victims
in our local newspaper just prior to Karla's release.

I am not sure if you read or heard about it, I wish I had a link.

it was very sad & even more shocking to read what these girls endured.

let me know if you want the details from the interviews?

Thanxs Goatgirl

:seeya:

Yes please, I for one would like to read the details of the interviews.
Anthea

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


I believe Oliver Wendell Holmes had it right when he said, "This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice."


That says it all my friend!
I remember seeing this case profiled on a court show and was absolutely disgusted and the depravity and lack of concience these two had.
They BOTH should have had no chance for freedom.
I think she was the worse of the two...she was capable of taking part in the rape and murder of her own sister.
That takes a special kind of sick person to do that and it is frightning that she back in society with unlimited victims at her disposal.
I can't imagine what the victims families are going thru.:rose:

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Yes please, I for one would like to read the details of the interviews.
Anthea

Hi Anthea

I am searching for the link to their interview ...

in the mean time I came across these news links, sorry in advance if they were already posted.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/05/30/pf-1063088.html


http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Commentary/2005/07/06/1118607.html

Thanxs Goatgirl

:seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

GG: Thank you so much for your tireless work on finding GR8 links for all of us here on the KH Board. You are definitely our "Karla Homolka/Paul Bernardo Board Link Specialist!"

:beer: :patriot: :beer:

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8
GG: Thank you so much for your tireless work on finding GR8 links for all of us here on the KH Board. You are definitely our "Karla Homolka/Paul Bernardo Board Link Specialist!"

:beer: :patriot: :beer:

Oui, Oui, Merci beaucoup.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Oui, Oui, Merci beaucoup.

:cool: It is so cool! I just love the French language. It is so beautiful and lyrical. I could kick myself for not taking it in school when I had the chance. Now, I'm too old to start back to school. My brain would probably start exploding! LOL!

:beer: :patriot:

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


:cool: It is so cool! I just love the French language. It is so beautiful and lyrical. I could kick myself for not taking it in school when I had the chance. Now, I'm too old to start back to school. My brain would probably start exploding! LOL!

:beer: :patriot:

It is a beautiful language and one I haven't learned. All the kids have to take it in school and when they bring their homework home or tests to show how well they have done, I have no clue what they say!

The only French I know is what is on the opposite side of the English side of cans/food boxes. Oh.....and signs (for the most part).

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


It is a beautiful language and one I haven't learned. All the kids have to take it in school and when they bring their homework home or tests to show how well they have done, I have no clue what they say!

The only French I know is what is on the opposite side of the English side of cans/food boxes. Oh.....and signs (for the most part).

Quel domage pour vous! What a pity for you!

But your children are so fortunate.

My younger d loved taking french in school due to the fact that so few students took it, the classes were therefore tiny.

We start our language program in junior high which to me is late and makes it more difficult for the children to master the second language.

We have a huge population of Russian immigrants here and it is remarkable to see how quickly the younger ones become bi-lingual, and bi-lingual without accents or interference from the other language. The teens generally have a much more difficult time.

I'm really impressed with their parents who come here as non-English speakers, work, support families etc and learn a new language. I doubt if I could do it.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Quel domage pour vous! What a pity for you!

But your children are so fortunate.

My younger d loved taking french in school due to the fact that so few students took it, the classes were therefore tiny.

We start our language program in junior high which to me is late and makes it more difficult for the children to master the second language.

We have a huge population of Russian immigrants here and it is remarkable to see how quickly the younger ones become bi-lingual, and bi-lingual without accents or interference from the other language. The teens generally have a much more difficult time.

I'm really impressed with their parents who come here as non-English speakers, work, support families etc and learn a new language. I doubt if I could do it.

My children are first introduced to French in Grade 1 - colours, numbers, etc. In Grade 4 they begin learning common words, phrases and accenting. It is a compulsory course through Grade 9. My two oldest continued with it until Grade 12, then dropped it in favour of subjects that supported their majors. My 16 yr. old wants to get into medicine, so he will most likely continue with French.

I admire ANY adult who learns a new language because I don't think I'd be able to do it. Maybe if I HAD to, but heck, it would definitely be difficult.

I'm not surprised that the teenagers would have a more difficult time learning the language. Heck, even when English is their FIRST language, teenagers have a tough time with it. ;)

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