Karla Homolka is released

[Angel~Eyes]

For those who were following the case. Here's the latest.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

[marabeth]

Poor Canada..She is so evil.

[Angel~Eyes]

Another link:

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=aa0df2d5-89a4-4f2f-9ff7-eebeea060a95

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by marabeth
Poor Canada..She is so evil.

Unbelievable she is hours away from freedom for her involvement in the crimes. Including, killing her own sister.:flamemad:

There are no words to explain the outrage here. She better not cross my path:flamemad:

The story in our paper this morning said there had been a number of threats against her and she is "living in fear". There is some justice in the world. I hope she feels that way every day for the rest of her life. She has been asking that the media not be told where she ends up living but so far the judges have turned down her request citing freedom of the press. Please Canada, keep track of this evil woman and let anyone who might come in contact with her know where she is. Evil is not a strong enough word for her.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by lisanm2
The story in our paper this morning said there had been a number of threats against her and she is "living in fear". There is some justice in the world. I hope she feels that way every day for the rest of her life. She has been asking that the media not be told where she ends up living but so far the judges have turned down her request citing freedom of the press. Please Canada, keep track of this evil woman and let anyone who might come in contact with her know where she is. Evil is not a strong enough word for her.

The media ban was rejected by the judge. Her evil face will be all over the papers and there is a website set up with people wanting her dead. I'll see if I can find the website.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120049679479_92?hub=topstories

[hockeymomof5]

In this (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/04/sex.killer.ap/index.html) article it says that she must "leave the prison by sundown". Reminds me of the old west movies where they tell the criminal to "get outta town by sundown".:rolleyes:

Her attorney says that she is "paralyzed with fear, completely panicked". Poor thing. Not even close to what she deserves!!! I pray she spends the rest of her life looking over her shoulder "paralyzed with fear". It could not even possibly come close to what she made her victims feel. Nor what her and Paul put this community through not knowing who left the parts of body in cement in Lake Gibson nor who took Kristen off the sidewalk in broad daylight as she walked home from school later to be found murdered.

I live in the community where Leslie's body was found. Lake Gibson is a very short walk from my home, my kids go fishing there though they will no longer go close to where her body was. I went on the search for Kristen. This case hits very close to home and I am sickened to think that she will walk free today....just sickened. May she rot in hell.

[Breezes]

They added only 2 years to her sentence for her complicity in the death of her own sister.

I would like to know where her parents are today, and what their feelings are...

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Unbelievable she is hours away from freedom for her involvement in the crimes. Including, killing her own sister.:flamemad:

There are no words to explain the outrage here. She better not cross my path:flamemad: And just what are you gonna do if she does?:shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Breezes
They added only 2 years to her sentence for her complicity in the death of her own sister.

I would like to know where her parents are today, and what their feelings are...

Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


The media ban was rejected by the judge. Her evil face will be all over the papers and there is a website set up with people wanting her dead. I'll see if I can find the website.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120049679479_92?hub=topstories

They go into court again this morning to apply to have a ban put on the media covering her release from prison.

Tomorrow they are filing an appeal regarding the conditions put on her following her release.

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=b720808d-f6f6-4f12-96cd-449bca3407c0

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by conwayfan
And just what are you gonna do if she does?:shrug:

Sybil, you're just trying to bait me. I'm not going to play your games. I have better things to do than play multiple nics/personalties games with you.

I thought you were leaving the boards per your post on the game thread poll.:rolleyes:

[Victim's Cry]

Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

[keptkitty]

I DO hold the prosecutors responsible, and I hope this sadist of a woman's worst fears come true.

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

IIRC the prosecutors went easier on her in exchange for her testifying against her husband who was also involved in the crimes. At the time she was claiming she was a battered wife and only cooperated with him because she feared for her life and the lives of her family. After the plea bargain was made they found a homemade video tape that made it very clear she was a willing and enthusiastic participant, not a victim herself. It was too late to change the plea bargain they made with her. She played them big time and it sounds like she is still playing her parents. If she moved anywhere near me I would pack up and leave.

[Breezes]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

Oh, I think I understand. Poor little murderous Karla. It's those mean old bad old prosecutors (who were just doing their job) we're supposed to be angry at...

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

There is a forum here on CTV with all the background details of this case. The plea bargain was made prior to the police finding videotapes of her involvement. When the plea was made it was to secure her husband got life in prison. Subsequently, they found tapes showing that she was involved in the murders as much as her evil husband but they were inadmissable (from what I understand) because it was after the fact. Therefore, she got away with murder.

I agree. My anger is towards the screwed up justice system we have here. A murderer is walking free after serving 12 years when she should be locked up in prison for the rest of her life.

[keptkitty]

I thought that since those tapes proved she was involved in these murders that her plea was void. It SHOULD have been. That plea was made under the pretense that she was a victim. Those tapes proved her wrong and that plea COULD have been jerked back, but it wasn't.

at least thats the way I see it.

[Angel~Eyes]

I can't believe none of the Canadian tv channels are covering this. I wish there we had an all news channels like CNN or MSNBC. Sheeeesh!

hockeymom, are you getting anything there? Nothing here in Montreal. CTV nor CBC is showing anything.:mad:

[deputydi]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
For those who were following the case. Here's the latest.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories
IMO this is a pathetic and dangerous miscarriage of justice. People in Canada -- BEWARE.

[Breezes]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:

Makes me sick, too! There was a case in Kansas City some years back where a young misfit of a woman who, along with 2 druggie boyfriends, beat and stabbed her beautiful 15-year-old sister, nearly decapitating her. And the parents stood by this daughter, who had been adopted, by the way. The murderess was adopted, and her sister was the only biological daughter of the parents. The adopted daughter had always been a misfit -- high school dropout, into drugs, etc. -- while the biological daughter was stunningly beautiful, and an honor roll student. The parents, who appeared to be upper-class, very intelligent and reasonable people, were interviewed on TV several times, stating how they would stand by their adopted daughter. I just don't get it.

[Sunshine@SC]

I believe Karla will kill again. Maybe next time she'll get what she deserved the first time.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by Breezes
Makes me sick, too! There was a case in Kansas City some years back where a young misfit of a woman who, along with 2 druggie boyfriends, beat and stabbed her beautiful 15-year-old sister, nearly decapitating her. And the parents stood by this daughter, who had been adopted, by the way. The murderess was adopted, and her sister was the only biological daughter of the parents. The adopted daughter had always been a misfit -- high school dropout, into drugs, etc. -- while the biological daughter was stunningly beautiful, and an honor roll student. The parents, who appeared to be upper-class, very intelligent and reasonable people, were interviewed on TV several times, stating how they would stand by their adopted daughter. I just don't get it.

No matter how henious the crime parents will almost always stand by their child. This was their child, adopted or not!

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC
I believe Karla will kill again. Maybe next time she'll get what she deserved the first time.

I pray she doesn't. I wouldn't want another innocent life taken away by this B. I hope she does something stupid like ignoring her release conditions and gets her butt back in prison.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


No matter how henious the crime parents will almost always stand by their child. This was their child, adopted or not!

I know parents who have NOT stood 'by' their children for far less crimes than this one.

You're right, though, adopted or not, it is their child.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Breezes


Makes me sick, too! There was a case in Kansas City some years back where a young misfit of a woman who, along with 2 druggie boyfriends, beat and stabbed her beautiful 15-year-old sister, nearly decapitating her. And the parents stood by this daughter, who had been adopted, by the way. The murderess was adopted, and her sister was the only biological daughter of the parents. The adopted daughter had always been a misfit -- high school dropout, into drugs, etc. -- while the biological daughter was stunningly beautiful, and an honor roll student. The parents, who appeared to be upper-class, very intelligent and reasonable people, were interviewed on TV several times, stating how they would stand by their adopted daughter. I just don't get it.

There's a case here where a 17 yo girl lied to her mother to get her in the garage so that her b/f could strangle her and then beat her and then the daughter choked her. They both wrapped her in a piece of carpet, put her in her BMW, with the daughter driving, and took her down by the lake and set her on fire.

The daughter then got dressed and went to work.

Her father stands by her side and is very angry at anyone who dare claims his little princess did this, he says the b/f MADE her do it. I don't understand that, either.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by keptkitty


I know parents who have NOT stood 'by' their children for far less crimes than this one.

You're right, though, adopted or not, it is their child.

I agree KK. I just can't imagine anything my children would do that would cause me to give up on them. And I've had my share of wanting to throw in the towel and give up.

I would never cover up for them - I would make them take responsibility no matter the consenquences. BUT, stop loving and supporting them - NEVER.

[ExArkie]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC
I believe Karla will kill again. Maybe next time she'll get what she deserved the first time.

Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


I agree KK. I just can't imagine anything my children would do that would cause me to give up on them. And I've had my share of wanting to throw in the towel and give up.

I would never cover up for them - I would make them take responsibility no matter the consenquences. BUT, stop loving and supporting them - NEVER.

I have 3 teenagers and I hope and pray they never put me in that position.

I know I will love my children no matter what....but I would not 'support' them IF they hurt someone. I would always let them know I love them, but I would sure let them know I don't support something that hurts someone else.

I've had my share of that towel thing too!

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

Texas has an express lane to the execution chamber. Maybe she should be deported to Texas.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


I agree KK. I just can't imagine anything my children would do that would cause me to give up on them. And I've had my share of wanting to throw in the towel and give up.

I would never cover up for them - I would make them take responsibility no matter the consenquences. BUT, stop loving and supporting them - NEVER.

I guess I'm not as forgiving. If one of my kids killed their brother or sister (my child), I would NOT support their murderous mind. JMO

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


I guess I'm not as forgiving. If one of my kids killed their brother or sister (my child), I would NOT support their murderous mind. JMO

I have to agree with this, too. I really don't even like thinking about it.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by ExArkie


Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

I wish they had DP here.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by keptkitty
I have 3 teenagers and I hope and pray they never put me in that position.

I know I will love my children no matter what....but I would not 'support' them IF they hurt someone. I would always let them know I love them, but I would sure let them know I don't support something that hurts someone else.

I've had my share of that towel thing too!

Just to clarify, my reference to "supporting" would be in the context of loving them and giving them guidance and emotional support in accepting the consequences of their actions.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


Just to clarify, my reference to "supporting" would be in the context of loving them and giving them guidance and emotional support in accepting the consequences of their actions.

I understand and that is the appropriate thing to do, IMO.

I can't imagine my children hurting anyone I dearly love...so when I think about it, it sure does bring on a mixed bag of emotions. I'm sure anger would be one of them.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


I wish they had DP here.

I wish we did ....That b will be free and that makes me soo angry. :flamemad:

[otenn]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

I just read Stephen Williams second book, Karla A Pact With the Devil . I was very surprised really, according to that book just how milquetoast the prosecutors were with this case.

It seemed to me, based on William's book, that they could have played hardball with her and revoked the deal AFTER the fact that she had in fact been the instrument of death in her sister's killing. Why didn't they go there? I don't know.

I think it is odd too, that they were so hell bent on portraying her as the battered spouse when the deal was going down, but as her statutory release date approached, her psychological evaluations suddently took an about faced turn and suddenly she was a psychopath... When it was convenient for the prosecutors, she was a victim of her husband, then when it became convenient for them, she was a psychopath.

This book really opened my eyes to how much a part the prosecutors played in ensuring this evil woman got out as early as she did. They jumped the gun on making the deal, and then had to ride out their own bad decisions after the fact, and forced the department of corrections to try to implement greater restraints on her than any other prisoner would get, to make up for their original bad deal.

Did you know she was never even convicted of a sex offence? She participated in the rape and murder of 3 people, willingly and with enjoyment, and the rape of at least 1 other person, and no sexual offender charge for her.

SICK.

I really had no idea of how ineptly this whole thing was handled until I just read this book. It makes me sad.

I don't have one bit of sympathy for this woman, but I sure don't have much respect for the prosecutors and investigators who jumped the gun either.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by keptkitty
I understand and that is the appropriate thing to do, IMO.

I can't imagine my children hurting anyone I dearly love...so when I think about it, it sure does bring on a mixed bag of emotions. I'm sure anger would be one of them.

I hope I never have to find out what I'd really do. It's always easier to think you know what you'll do until it happens. I'm sure there's a lot of emotions that would precede and go along with reaching the point of supporting the child and trying to help him/her find their way back.

[ExArkie]

Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


I hope I never have to find out what I'd really do. It's always easier to think you know what you'll do until it happens. I'm sure there's a lot of emotions that would precede and go along with reaching the point of supporting the child and trying to help him/her find their way back.


It is easy to assume how you would act and it's very confusing when I think about one of my kids harming someone I love.

I KNOW I have unconditional love for my children, but how I would handle the situation? I really can't say.:shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

From the link:
Restrictions

When Homolka leaves prison, a special court order under section 810 of the Criminal Code will regulate her conduct. For example, it will require her to stay away from her victims and to advise authorities of any travel plans.

If she violates the order, she could be sent back to prison for 24 months.

The order states she can't associate with anyone with a criminal record.

That means Homolka will have to end her relationship with Jean-Paul Gerbet, a French national serving a life term for murdering his girlfriend.

There will be some help for Homolka when she rejoins society. Her mother has reportedly moved to the Montreal area.

She can also count on some assistance from the Elizabeth Fry Society.

"For the public, the interest is in people not being at risk and the integration happening in a way that doesn't put people at risk," said the society's Kim Pate.

[sheldan]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

To my knowledge, with a criminal record, she is not able to cross the border. It is up to customs officers at the border to check ID. Lots of people do slip through, though.

[katie]

Originally posted by ExArkie


Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

Maybe we can drag out ol 'Sparky one more time for her, polish it up for her, none of this lethal injection crap.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by Lauriet


I wish we did ....That b will be free and that makes me soo angry. :flamemad:
She may be free from her cell in St. Anne de Plaines but she will never be free of the media and the public chasing her down to harass her. I hope she never gets a moments peace.
imo

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

She is on probation for a year, right? I think after that she can do what she wants.

I REALLY think she will end up in the US.

[katie]

Originally posted by sheldan


To my knowledge, with a criminal record, she is not able to cross the border. It is up to customs officers at the border to check ID. Lots of people do slip through, though.

Kind of like the guy who crossed the border with his bloody machete into New Hampshire I think? It was recent. They kept the machete and let him through.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by sheldan


To my knowledge, with a criminal record, she is not able to cross the border. It is up to customs officers at the border to check ID. Lots of people do slip through, though.

Yep and we all know that NO ONE EVER enters the US illegally right? :shrug:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

She may be free from her cell in St. Anne de Plaines but she will never be free of the media and the public chasing her down to harass her. I hope she never gets a moments peace.
imo

That's true FrankieBones. :seeya: I hope the same....

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by katie


Kind of like the guy who crossed the border with his bloody machete into New Hampshire I think? It was recent. They kept the machete and let him through.

And then he went on to murder several more people. So much for safe borders and common sense.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


And then he went on to murder several more people. So much for safe borders and common sense.

We can't even keep track of the criminals here in the USA (note the Groene case). We'd never even know she was here until she killed someone :(

[Angel~Eyes]

Hmmmmmmmmm?

http://www.byebyekarla.com/

[katie]

Originally posted by cassidy


We can't even keep track of the criminals here in the USA (note the Groene case). We'd never even know she was here until she killed someone :(

Since she sexually assaulted a minor, it would be great if they could put an ankle bracelet on her-should she cross the border. It's awful tho, speaking of that-that there are people here who don't want ankle monitors because that violates the pedophiles privacy. :flamemad:

[cami]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been saying it for years. It's the Crown that I am angry with for not voiding her deal once the sexual assault on Jane Doe became known. Karla has served her time and whether we Canadians like it or not she is out. I'm betting she got out last week under the cover of darkness.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

She will not be allowed to legally enter the US with the criminal conviction. However, that will not stop her from doing so. IF she attempted to cross the border and IF she is not questioned or asked for ID then she will freely be allowed entry into the country. Once she is identified, she will be turned back but she must first be identified. With the crowds of people entering the US from Canada every day, it will be very easy for Karla to enter, providing she is not identified.

Once in the country, it will be very easy for her to get "lost". Considering the danger that she was and IS, it would be in the best interest of the citizens especially those in border towns, for the media to highlight her release from prison AND the information regarding the crimes she committed.

[chilione]

What an injustice that this animal will be released today!:cuss:

Did anyone hear anything about the former friend of hers "Jane Doe" filing charges against Karla once she is released? It would be wonderful if she could have her arrested the moment she was released.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


She will not be allowed to legally enter the US with the criminal conviction. However, that will not stop her from doing so. IF she attempted to cross the border and IF she is not questioned or asked for ID then she will freely be allowed entry into the country. Once she is identified, she will be turned back but she must first be identified. With the crowds of people entering the US from Canada every day, it will be very easy for Karla to enter, providing she is not identified.

Once in the country, it will be very easy for her to get "lost". Considering the danger that she was and IS, it would be in the best interest of the citizens especially those in border towns, for the media to highlight her release from prison AND the information regarding the crimes she committed.

The frightening thing is if she changed her appearance and name, she might have easier access than we might think. I know for a fact when crossing the border (by vehicle), they don't always ask for ID.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Hmmmmmmmmm?

http://www.byebyekarla.com/

poor poor Karla, she feels unsafe...:rolleyes: <sarcasm >

So the Canadian coalition against death penalty defends her? :rolleyes: well the purchased the byebyekarla.com domain to protect her?

She's a sick POS....

[cami]

Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!

No, she'd have to go in as a visitor/tourist and then stay illegally. The Canadian government would be obliged to inform any country that she tries to enter of her criminal background.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Lauriet


poor poor Karla, she feels unsafe...:rolleyes: <sarcasm >

So the Canadian coalition against death penalty defends her? :rolleyes: well the purchased the byebyekarla.com domain to protect her?

She's a sick POS....

Hi Lauriet,

Nice seeing you again, mon amie!

That's just one of the websites but I'm sure there are plenty more with death threats. Too bad they shut that one down before I could place my bet;)

Hugs,

May

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by cami
No, she'd have to go in as a visitor/tourist and then stay illegally. The Canadian government would be obliged to inform any country that she tries to enter of her criminal background.

The information is in a computer database. IF she were asked to present ID and she in fact presented "legal" ID it would show that she has a criminal record. However, this will not stop her from doing so illegally.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Hi Lauriet,

Nice seeing you again, mon amie!

That's just one of the websites but I'm sure there are plenty more with death threats. Too bad they shut that one down before I could place my bet;)

Hugs,

May

Hiya May, you have a cute new dress :-P

It's good to see you again, yeah that's too bad, I wish I could have place my bet. ;) But some thing can't be escaped like karma, poor Karla....


Hugs back to you!:rose:

[MochasMom]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

Wasn't the problem that they didn't know about those horrible tapes in which it shows her participation in the crimes until after they already made the deal, etc? Wasn't this found in the attic of the house and her lawyer had it? (Trying to remember from far back). This was not turned over to the prosecutors until it was too late, from what I remember.

MHO

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by cami


thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been saying it for years. It's the Crown that I am angry with for not voiding her deal once the sexual assault on Jane Doe became known. Karla has served her time and whether we Canadians like it or not she is out. I'm betting she got out last week under the cover of darkness.

Exactly. And in the canadian justice system there is a bent on rehabilitation so I just hope that it has happened. I also think that without bernardo, she would have lived her life as a normal person I have no clues what pressures he put under her to get her to comply, but even in the videos, if she was truly afraid for her life or families (considering it was bernardo who killed the sister), I can even stretch and say it was still forced. Excusable? No. Thats why I am glad the battered wife syndrome didnt fly as such, but that doesnt take away from the fact that she was married to a monster who did beat her and commit horrific crimes, getting her to join in. Accountability was necessary, but i dont think she is nearly as dangerous as many assume.

I am not happy at the 12 years, but its done, and now we should all hope she gets her life in order and can live a productive one. People who try and stop her working or living will only ensure that she doesnt, and then a crime may well occur.

Lets see how it works out. If she can live and work and keep to the rules, and stay out of trouble then I much prefer that to any other scenario.

imo

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
For those who were following the case. Here's the latest.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories



Oh yeah. I know this case. She and her husband tortured and killed a bunch of girls including her sister. For a Christmas present she let him rape her. I know, she has no right getting out. It totally blows and is NOT even fair.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by lashes




Oh yeah. I know this case. She and her husband tortured and killed a bunch of girls including her sister. For a Christmas present she let him rape her. I know, she has no right getting out. It totally blows and is NOT even fair.

Yup. What a Christmas present, eh?:flamemad:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by MochasMom


Wasn't the problem that they didn't know about those horrible tapes in which it shows her participation in the crimes until after they already made the deal, etc? Wasn't this found in the attic of the house and her lawyer had it? (Trying to remember from far back). This was not turned over to the prosecutors until it was too late, from what I remember.

MHO

Correct. The tapes were discovered after the plea bargain deal was made, therefore giving her only 12 year sentence. And now she is due to be released. Sick Sick Sick!

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


Exactly. And in the canadian justice system there is a bent on rehabilitation so I just hope that it has happened. I also think that without bernardo, she would have lived her life as a normal person I have no clues what pressures he put under her to get her to comply, but even in the videos, if she was truly afraid for her life or families (considering it was bernardo who killed the sister), I can even stretch and say it was still forced. Excusable? No. Thats why I am glad the battered wife syndrome didnt fly as such, but that doesnt take away from the fact that she was married to a monster who did beat her and commit horrific crimes, getting her to join in. Accountability was necessary, but i dont think she is nearly as dangerous as many assume.

I am not happy at the 12 years, but its done, and now we should all hope she gets her life in order and can live a productive one. People who try and stop her working or living will only ensure that she doesnt, and then a crime may well occur.

Lets see how it works out. If she can live and work and keep to the rules, and stay out of trouble then I much prefer that to any other scenario.

imo

I wish I could be just as optimistic about getting her life in order. Unfortunately, my gut tells me she will do this again.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


There is a forum here on CTV with all the background details of this case. The plea bargain was made prior to the police finding videotapes of her involvement. When the plea was made it was to secure her husband got life in prison. Subsequently, they found tapes showing that she was involved in the murders as much as her evil husband but they were inadmissable (from what I understand) because it was after the fact. Therefore, she got away with murder.

I agree. My anger is towards the screwed up justice system we have here. A murderer is walking free after serving 12 years when she should be locked up in prison for the rest of her life.

25 years is the maximum sentence she could have gotten for 100 murders. She probably would have been out in 4 years anyway on mandatory release. All this over-the-top outrage is so mindless IMO.

[otenn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Correct. The tapes were discovered after the plea bargain deal was made, therefore giving her only 12 year sentence. And now she is due to be released. Sick Sick Sick!

But from what I read recently, the fact that she was instrumental in her sister's death...as in the force that stopped her sister's breath (by applying the halothane soaked rag to her mouth to keep her unconscious) was enough to break the deal on ALL the charges.

Apparently, the deal only applied if she was found NOT to have actually stopped the breath of any of the victims.

When they exhumed and reexamined her sister's body, the "accidental" death ruling was changed to homicide, and she was the one who caused the death, but they STILL did not revoke the deal when they could have right then and there on those grounds.

The deal was already done at this point, but they didn't want to revoke the deal, even though they had the evidence they needed to do so.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by katie
Since she sexually assaulted a minor, it would be great if they could put an ankle bracelet on her-should she cross the border. It's awful tho, speaking of that-that there are people here who don't want ankle monitors because that violates the pedophiles privacy. :flamemad:

I agree Katie. It's that common sense thing again. We already know that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated so why let them out. And, if we do there should be constant monitoring of their whereabouts, hence the ankle bracelet. Common Sense.

However, nobody has ever accused the government of using common sense.

[TOOLS]

Too bad Canuckia doesn't have the death penalty.
This one clearly needs killing.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


25 years is the maximum sentence she could have gotten for 100 murders. She probably would have been out in 4 years anyway on mandatory release. All this over-the-top outrage is so mindless IMO.

From what I understand, Paul Bernardo got LWOP. She should have received the same, IMO

As far as your "over-the-top" outrage as being mindless, I hope none of your family members have to go through what these victims had to endure.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by lg01

Considering the hideous nature of her crime, I fail to see how you can consider the outrage "mindless". This so-called woman should have never seen the light of day.

I realize the absolute validity of everybody's fury and horror at the loss of Tammy, Leslie and Kristen - all innocent lives.

However, I think any dispassionate viewing of the facts (and a dispassionate viewing is required in our justice system) tells any reasonable person that Karla is extremely unlikely to reoffend, that Karla would not have participated in these crimes absent the influence of Bernardo, that the psychological, sexual, physcial and mental abuse she experienced at the hands of Bernardo was properly used as a mitigating factor in her sentencing for these crimes for which she is clearly culpable.

Was 12 years enough? Probably not. However, neither is she an evil, souless psychopath that should strike fear into every North American heart. There is so much back story that most posters here clearly don't know - and what bugs me - don't care to know.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


From what I understand, Paul Bernardo got LWOP. She should have received the same, IMO

As far as your "over-the-top" outrage as being mindless, I hope none of your family members have to go through what these victims had to endure.

We don't have LWOP. We have a max sentence of 25 years no matter what you do - unless the province can get you declared a "dangerous offender" (very tough to do) then they can keep you until they don't feel like keeping you anymore. Karla would never, ever have successfully been declared a dangerous offender IMO. Note they haven't tried to either.

You have to separate the admistration of justice from the victims. The system builds in objectivity for a reason.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I realize the absolute validity of everybody's fury and horror at the loss of Tammy, Leslie and Kristen - all innocent lives.

However, I think any dispassionate viewing of the facts (and a dispassionate viewing is required in our justice system) tells any reasonable person that Karla is extremely unlikely to reoffend, that Karla would not have participated in these crimes absent the influence of Bernardo, that the psychological, sexual, physcial and mental abuse she experienced at the hands of Bernardo was properly used as a mitigating factor in her sentencing for these crimes for which she is clearly culpable.

Was 12 years enough? Probably not. However, neither is she an evil, souless psychopath that should strike fear into every North American heart. There is so much back story that most posters here clearly don't know - and what bugs me - don't care to know.

I believe she is most likely to offend again, and alot of experts tend to agree with me.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


We don't have LWOP. We have a max sentence of 25 years no matter what you do - unless the province can get you declared a "dangerous offender" (very tough to do) then they can keep you until they don't feel like keeping you anymore. Karla would never, ever have successfully been declared a dangerous offender IMO. Note they haven't tried to either.

Wow...25 years? I didn't know that..

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keptkitty


I believe she is most likely to offend again, and alot of experts tend to agree with me.

Stephen Williams, who wrote two extremely unflattering books about her, said he doesn't believe she will reoffend.
Many experts tend to agree with him too. There is no way to know, and we will just have to see. I think it is far more likely that she will reoffend if all this mindless mob justice drives her out of polite society.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


The information is in a computer database. IF she were asked to present ID and she in fact presented "legal" ID it would show that she has a criminal record. However, this will not stop her from doing so illegally.
I've been tuned into CBC News World all morning. They say she can leave the country for 48 hours but must report if she will be out of the country for more than those 48 hours.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Stephen Williams, who wrote two extremely unflattering books about her, said he doesn't believe she will reoffend.
Many experts tend to agree with him too. There is no way to know, and we will just have to see. I think it is far more likely that she will reoffend if all this mindless mob justice drives her out of polite society.
I can't see her reoffending with the media and public on her back. Hope they keep it up for years to come.
moo

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Stephen Williams, who wrote two extremely unflattering books about her, said he doesn't believe she will reoffend.
Many experts tend to agree with him too. There is no way to know, and we will just have to see. I think it is far more likely that she will reoffend if all this mindless mob justice drives her out of polite society.


Mindless mob justice? Okay...

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keptkitty


Wow...25 years? I didn't know that..

Yes. If you get 10 life sentences for 10 murders you serve 10 25 year sentences - concurrently, at the same time. In reality though, someone like that would be declared a dangerous offender and the system would hang on to them.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Yes. If you get 10 life sentences for 10 murders you serve 10 25 year sentences - concurrently, at the same time. In reality though, someone like that would be declared a dangerous offender and the system would hang on to them.

Well, Thanx for informing me of that, I had no idea.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keptkitty



Mindless mob justice? Okay...

I know this is not a popular opinion - but it IS mindless mob justice. I'm here in the thick of things and it is mindless. People with little or no information beyond the headlines and editorials are just jumping on the bandwagon with little thought. The admistration of justice in our society requires a greater level of objectivity and reason.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by lg01

You have got to be kidding me.
If she is not a dangerous offender, then who the hell is?

Well, that should tell you something about what you might NOT know about this case. I don't mean that with any disrespect.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by lg01

Have to wait and see? Nice!
So, basically, lets just wait and see if she murders any more young girls.

Well, do keep her in Canada, cause we already got plenty of pedophiles runnig free here in US
:rolleyes:

Just throwin' you a bone - people with the courage to state what I think is the obvious conclusion - that she won't reoffend - in the face of all this mind numbing hysteria have already done so.

[TOOLS]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Just throwin' you a bone - people with the courage to state what I think is the obvious conclusion - that she won't reoffend - in the face of all this mind numbing hysteria have already done so.

I went to the original forum about this and read all your
karla/victim of the man's manipulation apologies.

It seems that my pc should have a flush handle like my toilet to get rid of the crap.

You're so totally outnumbered by those who haven't fallen for it that, this could be on Comedy Central.:shrug:

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by lg01

Have to wait and see? Nice!
So, basically, lets just wait and see if she murders any more young girls.

Well, do keep her in Canada, cause we already got plenty of pedophiles runnig free here in US
:rolleyes:
No country is perfect. I was just made aware of Shasta's abductor. He raped a boy at gunpoint. How was he able to be out on the streets?
If Karla ever escapes to the USA, hopefully the media and public will keep their eye on her. If memory serves me right, the USA knew more about the case than we in Canada. There was a media ban on the case for the entirety of the trial.
imo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by TOOLS


I went to the original forum about this and read all your
karla/victim of the man's manipulation apologies.

It seems that my pc should have a flush handle like my toilet to get rid of the crap.

You're so totally outnumbered by those who haven't fallen for it that, this could be on Comedy Central.:shrug:
Does she think that Karla was a victim of Paul's? Wonder if she is a Scott Peterson supporter as well.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by keptkitty



Mindless mob justice? Okay...
Hi, Kitty. It's far from mindless, in my opinion.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by TOOLS


I went to the original forum about this and read all your
karla/victim of the man's manipulation apologies.

It seems that my pc should have a flush handle like my toilet to get rid of the crap.

You're so totally outnumbered by those who haven't fallen for it that, this could be on Comedy Central.:shrug:

Then I guess you saw this:

She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by lg01

Did I say US was perfect? I said we got too many pedophiles running free as it is, so do keep Karla in Canada.
And I don't want her in Canada.
:)

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Then I guess you saw this:

She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control.
Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo

That's the kind of mindless **** I'm referring to. Thanks.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo

I totally agree with you Frankie. She is far from being a victim of abuse and those videotapes were proof of her involvement and enjoyment of seeing these victims suffer. Her whole victim/abuse allegations were a scam and hoax so she could a get out of jail for free card. Unfortunately, she did after 12 measly years.

Her butt should be back in prison where it belongs not on our streets.

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

GIRLFRIENDS

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )


Yup her buddies:rolleyes:

BOYFRIENDS

Jean-Paul Gerbet is shown in this undated photo. Gerbet, Karla Homolka's jailhouse boyfriend, took the time to tidy up the house after strangling his ex-girlfriend. He then put Cathy Carretta's body in the trunk of a car, all his movements so seamless that her father didn't immediately notice anything at the home he shared with his daughter.

http://ourmedia.org/node/20774

Yeah, she still under Paul's influence, my A**. :rolleyes:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by lg01

It won't be long before she teams up with another such.
But I guess she is not bad enough to be delcared a dangerous offender. She must prove herself first by killing some more young girls, I guess.

Sad but true.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


I totally agree with you Frankie. She is far from being a victim of abuse and those videotapes were proof of her involvement and enjoyment of seeing these victims suffer. Her whole victim/abuse allegations were a scam and hoax so she could a get out of jail for free card. Unfortunately, she did after 12 measly years.

Her butt should be back in prison where it belongs not on our streets.

You know little about this case, and less about human nature IMO. She was mind blowingly self absorbed, virtually without character and cowardly - all to the point of criminality. But she WAS insidiously and cruelly abused. Without question.

And there is absolutely no indication that she enjoyed the suffering of these victims. NONE. She does not laugh or egg Paul on or act violently towards the victims during their assaults at any time. At least once she was captured on tape wincing and turning away as Kristen was being brutalized by Paul.

This was ALL about Paul's need for domination and power over his victims and her inexplicable need to please him and more inexplicable willingness to protect herself at the expense of the lives of others. He couldn't even achieve an erection without being called "King" over and over and would beat the girls (including Karla) when he could not perform. Karla's role in the tapes was to play submissive roles along with the victims for Paul's sexual and emotional pleasure. Those are facts.

Comprehensive site with facts and pictures from her early childhood through today:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Karla-Homolka

[coolmomof4]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

GIRLFRIENDS

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )

Okay I know next to nothing of the Canadian prison system, but am I the only one who thinks it's weird that these girls are in this "institution" and all dressed up with makeup and black dresses partying it up? Even the one of her "relaxing" in her room at the institution is very strange. She's wearing jewelry, makeup etc? She looks like she's lounging in her college dorm room.:shrug:

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
BOYFRIENDS

Jean-Paul Gerbet is shown in this undated photo. Gerbet, Karla Homolka's jailhouse boyfriend, took the time to tidy up the house after strangling his ex-girlfriend. He then put Cathy Carretta's body in the trunk of a car, all his movements so seamless that her father didn't immediately notice anything at the home he shared with his daughter.

http://ourmedia.org/node/20774

Yeah, she still under Paul's influence, my A**. :rolleyes:

Stupid, stupid, stupid on her part. But really, who is she going to meet in maximum security? I think this is over emphasized - and the assumption that what she was attracted to was his crime is without any evidence.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Stupid, stupid, stupid on her part. But really, who is she going to meet in maximum security? I think this is over emphasized - and the assumption that what she was attracted to was his crime is without any evidence.
I think she enjoyed the abuse by Paul and got a sexual kick from the murders.
moo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by rhiannon~1


It's not just the Canadian system. I saw a documentary of one in the states where a convicted killer was taking hormones to the point he had developed large breasts- he and his cocaine stoned husband were yukking it up in the same cell for the cameras. I wish I could think of the name.....

That was Richard Speck.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

GIRLFRIENDS

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )
All of this proves that she wasn't rehabilitated in jail. She may be more hardened now than ever before. My only hope is that she gets picked up on a shoplifting charge and gets sent back to the slammer.
moo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

I think she enjoyed the abuse by Paul and got a sexual kick from the murders.
moo

Okay, but you think that just because you think that. Not because there is any evidence of it. To the contrary.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


You know little about this case, and less about human nature IMO. She was mind blowingly self absorbed, virtually without character and cowardly - all to the point of criminality. But she WAS insidiously and cruelly abused. Without question.

And there is absolutely no indication that she enjoyed the suffering of these victims. NONE. She does not laugh or egg Paul on or act violently towards the victims during their assaults at any time. At least once she was captured on tape wincing and turning away as Kristen was being brutalized by Paul.

This was ALL about Paul's need for domination and power over his victims and her inexplicable need to please him and more inexplicable willingness to protect herself at the expense of the lives of others. He couldn't even achieve an erection without being called "King" over and over and would beat the girls (including Karla) when he could not perform. Karla's role in the tapes was to play submissive roles along with the victims for Paul's sexual and emotional pleasure. Those are facts.

The facts:

She voluntarily assisted in the rape and torture of the victims.
There were plenty of occasions where she could have called the police and report him. She DID NOT.
She gave her sister as a Xmas gift to Paul. Her own sister.

You're right about one thing. I probably haven't followed this case closely as some of the other posters but I know enough to post my opinions of the facts as I know them. I have seen the video where she claims to have been a victim of abuse. BULLSH!T!!

If you are an expert in human nature, I am the Prime Minister of Canada.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

All of this proves that she wasn't rehabilitated in jail. She may be more hardened now than ever before. My only hope is that she gets picked up on a shoplifting charge and gets sent back to the slammer.
moo

All this proves is that there are bad people in jail. Did you think she'd talk to no one for 12 years?

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by coolmomof4


Okay I know next to nothing of the Canadian prison system, but am I the only one who thinks it's weird that these girls are in this "institution" and all dressed up with makeup and black dresses partying it up? Even the one of her "relaxing" in her room at the institution is very strange. She's wearing jewelry, makeup etc? She looks like she's lounging in her college dorm room.:shrug:
Even when the Kingston Penitentary for Women was still opened, the women were permitted makeup and visits from hairdressers.
I hope they show the old prison specials in the states sometime. Eye openers, they are.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by oz_the_catt


IMO, of course, you're making excuses for her.
In the same fashion that she made excuses for Scott Peterson.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


All this proves is that there are bad people in jail. Did you think she'd talk to no one for 12 years?
She had the right and every opportunity to correspond with law abiding citizens in those twelve years. She chose to align herself with dirt.
moo

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

In the same fashion that she made excuses for Scott Peterson.
moo

hmmm interesting. Did she go by another nic on the Peterson case? I don't think I've posted with her before.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by rhiannon~1



Thanks northern!

You saw it too? Wasn't that gross? :(

TOTALLY. Prison life is a whole other world. No wonder so few come out able to take a place in normal society.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


hmmm interesting. Did she go by another nic on the Peterson case? I don't think I've posted with her before.

No, same nic I've always had. Thought Peterson was guilty.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

She had the right and every opportunity to correspond with law abiding citizens in those twelve years. She chose to align herself with dirt.
moo

Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


No, same nic I've always had. Thought Peterson was guilty.
Well, then I stand corrected. Must have had you mixed up with one of those NGs.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.
So she corresonded with family. The same mom that moved to Montreal to be closer to her? The same mom who lost a daughter because of Karla and Paul....She's an enabler. Not quite the law abiding citizen I was thinking about.
moo

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.

Maybe she should go live with you. You obviously care enough for her to forgive her for what she's done to those 3 innocent girls. The 2 of you can have dress up and make up parties.

I, unfortunately, am sad this day is here and cannot imagine what the parents of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy must be feeling. My heart goes out to them.

Hockeymom, I borrowed this from your thread and hope you don't mind that I'm posting it here since the other board is closed.

These are the real victims:

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=229765

:rose:

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:

I didn't follow this case, but now I know where an episode of Law and Order came from. And yes in that episode, the parents supported her.

Originally posted by rhiannon~1


...

It's comments like this on the internet that play right into the hands of her lawyers. :no:

[watcher2005]

There has got to be something in between letting this crazy woman loose and putting a guy who held a girls arm while yelling at her for running into traffic on a sex offender list for life (see the other thread.)


Back in my day, we called it justice. But the "j" word has been corrupted into something other than justice. The bible speaks of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. That means proportion, not craziness. Not and eye for a fingernail clipping. And not a fingershaking for a killing.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
Originally posted by rhiannon~1


...

It's comments like this on the internet that play right into the hands of her lawyers. :no:

Ever feel like you don't get the punchlines sometimes at parties?

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by watcher2005
There has got to be something in between letting this crazy woman loose and putting a guy who held a girls arm while balling her out for running into traffic on a sex offender list for life (see the other thread.)


Back in my day, we called it justice. But the "j" word has been corrupted into something other than justice. The bible speaks of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. That means proportion, not craziness. Not and eye for a fingernail clipping. And not a fingershaking for a killing.

Believe it or not, were arguing for the same thing Watcher. Proportion.

[watcher2005]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Believe it or not, were arguing for the same thing Watcher. Proportion.

I'm for that. Maybe it will catch on.

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Ever feel like you don't get the punchlines sometimes at parties? Never. But thanks for asking. It doesn't matter whether she said it sarcastically or not. Karla's lawyers used, for one, www.byebyekarla.com in their arguments for the media ban.

I just don't think we need to make their job any easier.

[shells]

I am so unbelievably disgusted that this wretch of a woman is getting out. She is smart - really smart, and obtained a masters degree in psychology while she was in prison (not a good thing for someone as coniving as her IMO) She has manipulated the LE and the judicial system from the get go and I am so happy that the judges are not ruling in her favor now for privacy! Finally someone is putting an end to this shananagan!

The only solace I think we can all have is that she will most likely NEVER get a job anywhere, and will spend the rest of her days being taunted and living in fear........

I bet she felt safer in prison!

[uplate]

Originally posted by northernrflxn
Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka. Yes, I do think she's without humanity. She's a pariah, a predator and a self-absorbed narcissist. She's an actress--only publicly 'acts' out what she thinks is the appropriate response for a situation since she is devoid of feelings for anyone/thing other than herself. Can you imagine drugging your innocent little sister so your depraved sick excuse for a FIANCE can have sex with a virgin?? And then your sister dies as a result, and then you STILL marry the guy (did she learn anything from what happened? NO!), and later you express annoyment bec your parents had to spend THEIR $$ burying the sister YOU secretly killed, $$ that you feel should have gone towards your wedding/honeymoon???

Then you CONTINUE on a KILLING spree with your husband, kidnapping chicks HE fancied so you cd BOTH have sex with them, and kill them when you're done. Detach and discard in true narcissistic form. The video tape should wipe out any doubt in anyone's mind that you enjoyed what you were doing.

My friend lives in Valleyfield Montreal and everyone is on high alert. They've been following you during your short tenure in prison. They know about your active prison sex life. They know about the books you like to read---gruesome true murder books--does it turn you on, help you relive the murders you participated in? What a waste. Instead of remorse, you show an active compulsion towards torture, degradation and murder. You are like a dog who has tasted blood and should be put down. Your gravitation towards another murderer in prison tells me you're comfortable with this. He killed his girlfriend? Hopefully you'll meet someone just like him on the outside. Actually, you disgust me more than Peterson. Your random acts of violence, rape and murder make you a menace to society. :flamemad: moo

[shells]

Originally posted by oz_the_catt


Awwww she lives her life in fear. TB!! I feel NO sympathy and I feel NO empathy for her. I hope she DOES live her life in fear. Maybe it'll be a constant reminder to her of those victims that no longer live at all.

I hope you werent implying that I felt sorry for her.... cuz i sure as he** dont....

[Angel~Eyes]

2:58 pm UPDATE She's free:flamemad:

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

Originally posted by oz_the_catt


Awwww she lives her life in fear. TB!! I feel NO sympathy and I feel NO empathy for her. I hope she DOES live her life in fear. Maybe it'll be a constant reminder to her of those victims that no longer live at all. Poetic justice for her laying on her bed casually reading a magazine instead of picking up a G*D DAMN PHONE while one of their victims screamed in agony at Paul's hands.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
2:58 pm UPDATE She's free:flamemad:

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

:flamemad:

[shells]

Originally posted by oz_the_catt



Ohh no, shells! I was just ridin' on yer coat tail!!!:seeya:

Phew!! LOL

Originally posted by Nightwalker
Karla Homolka went through the judicial system, did what she was supposed to do as part of the process, served her time, and now is due to be set free. What is everyone's problem with this?

If you think that she should have done more time, then where were you when she was plea-bargaining? (The only way to get her husband, the prosecutors thought, was her testimony. Only later did the videotapes surface from his ex-attorney, but by then, the deal had already been struck).

What about the US case where the man and his ex-girlfriend tortured and murdered his current girlfriend, and he was acquitted, but later found to have committed the crime, complete with newly found pictures, and yet due to double jeopardy, he cannot stand trial for that crime again, ever?

Justice is not always served perfectly, but it is the best that we have. In this case, she will be hounded for the rest of her life, and will always be afraid of murder herself. Her life will be a living hell. I think that the universe has a strange but powerful way of keeping itself on track. I don't disagree with you at all, but I don't think she should be "protected" from the press either.

One minor correction to your post where you say she "did what she was supposed to do as part of the process". One condition of her deal was that she be open about any other crime, yet she neglected to tell them about Jane Doe.

[shells]

Funny.... I just read the report posted about her being released (thanks Lauriet....bad news, but still - News) and a statement caught my eye.

It says the spotlight is firmly on her. I wonder if she started this media circus, this huge Karla is getting free and needs protection charade, ONLY to draw attention to her - hoping that networks will vie ( read: fight with huge payoffs) for the interviews.....

She knows she isnt going to be getting a job with anyone - maybe this is her intent. To say " I want privacy, Leave me alone" to raise the bidding price on a national interview....

SICK COW is still manipulating!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

I think she enjoyed the abuse by Paul and got a sexual kick from the murders.
moo

I think the same, she's a sick pervert...

~IMO~

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by shells
Funny.... I just read the report posted about her being released (thanks Lauriet....bad news, but still - News) and a statement caught my eye.

It says the spotlight is firmly on her. I wonder if she started this media circus, this huge Karla is getting free and needs protection charade, ONLY to draw attention to her - hoping that networks will vie ( read: fight with huge payoffs) for the interviews.....

She knows she isnt going to be getting a job with anyone - maybe this is her intent. To say " I want privacy, Leave me alone" to raise the bidding price on a national interview....

SICK COW is still manipulating!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am hoping that no network will offer that sick POS any money... :cuss:

She's in Quebec right now, free, such a sick b****!

and shells, it's our dear May that posted the news...:)

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by uplate
Yes, I do think she's without humanity. She's a pariah, a predator and a self-absorbed narcissist. She's an actress--only publicly 'acts' out what she thinks is the appropriate response for a situation since she is devoid of feelings for anyone/thing other than herself.
<snip>


Think about what you wrote from this perspective: she knows the public wants remorse and contrition, and yet steadfastly insists that she is a victim of Bernardo. She could have "worked" the system and the public infinitely better on this - we know she is manipulative - and yet she hasn't. I belive this is not arrogance, but a geniune (but erroneous, IMO) belief that she was a victim that had little other choice. She was there, and this steadfast belief comes from something she lived directly. While it is clear to all of us that she did have free will, I think her own beliefs .

My friend lives in Valleyfield Montreal and everyone is on high alert. They've been following you during your short tenure in prison. They know about your active prison sex life. They know about the books you like to read---gruesome true murder books--does it turn you on, help you relive the murders you participated in? What a waste. Instead of remorse, you show an active compulsion towards torture, degradation and murder. You are like a dog who has tasted blood and should be put down. Your gravitation towards another murderer in prison tells me you're comfortable with this. He killed his girlfriend? Hopefully you'll meet someone just like him on the outside. Actually, you disgust me more than Peterson. Your random acts of violence, rape and murder make you a menace to society. :flamemad: moo

Virtually everybody in prison has a sex life. So what. In "Karla: A Pact With the Devil" she talks about the fact that she read a true crime novel for every 10 "other" books she read, and that no matter what she does people will "pick out the bad in a sea of good". I read true crime- including all four major works on this case. We are posting on CourtTV. We probably all read true crime. But with Karla it becomes "does it turn you on, help you relive the murders you participated in?....Instead of remorse, you show an active compulsion towards torture, degradation and murder. You are like a dog who has tasted blood and should be put down." Put a statement like this in some context, and call it what it is: a self indulgent orgy of prose that just doesn't hold up.

[shells]

Originally posted by Lauriet


I am hoping that no network will offer that sick POS any money... :cuss:

She's in Quebec right now, free, such a sick b****!

and shells, it's our dear May that posted the news...:)

OOPS!! Sorry May.........


I think we all need to act now, and fast and start emailing all of the major networks and tell them that if they do in fact have Karla TEALE/Holmoka on thier shows and she is financially compensated that we will boycott thier stations.

"She will also be prohibited from communicating with anyone who has a criminal record. That includes convicted murderer Jean-Paul Gerbet, with whom she had reportedly been romantically involved while incarcerated.

Ms. Homolka is appealing that ruling. A hearing on that matter has been scheduled for Tuesday."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050704.whom0704/BNStory/National/

Hmmm now that she's free to associate with GOOD people, she fights for the RIGHT to associate with criminals? :rolleyes:

[chilione]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.

She is scum of of the earth, lower than dirt and without humanity! If she isn't then who is?:rolleyes:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by shells


OOPS!! Sorry May.........


I think we all need to act now, and fast and start emailing all of the major networks and tell them that if they do in fact have Karla TEALE/Holmoka on thier shows and she is financially compensated that we will boycott thier stations.

It's a good idea shells , It would sickens me if Karla Teale/homolka was getting a penny for her crimes...:mad:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by chilione


She is scum of of the earth, lower than dirt and without humanity! If she isn't then who is?:rolleyes:

I agree, some people wants to find excuse to these POS...

[Angel~Eyes]

CBC showing an update now. She left in a red vehicle escorted by police. Tinted windows on vehicle.

Originally posted by Nightwalker


Sorry if I missed a detail.

I read this report - the most comprehensive one that I could find - and that must have been one of the points that I missed:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html?sect=5

However, it still doesn't change anything, I don't think, because if she failed to satisfy her condition of plea, why wasn't she charged by the prosecutors? On the eve of her testimony against Paul Bernardo, she all of a sudden "remembered" the Jane Doe incidents.

I'll try to find a link for you.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
CBC showing an update now. She left in a red vehicle escorted by police. Tinted windows on vehicle.

Geez, she needs the police to protect her now....:rolleyes:

I read somewhere that she now speaks perfect french huh?

Did they say where she was going?

[Angel~Eyes]

Vehicle on route to Montreal. It seems that she will not be moving to the NDG area as originally stated. Oh man, wonder where she'll move to. Holy cr@p, she could be my frickin neighbor.:cuss:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Vehicle on route to Montreal. It seems that she will not be moving to the NDG area as originally stated. Oh man, wonder where she'll move to. Holy cr@p, she could be my frickin neighbor.:cuss:

We need to trust the media that they'll report exactly where she is and that she won't have a moment of peace anywhere...:cuss:

Originally posted by Nightwalker


Sorry if I missed a detail.

I read this report - the most comprehensive one that I could find - and that must have been one of the points that I missed:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html?sect=5

However, it still doesn't change anything, I don't think, because if she failed to satisfy her condition of plea, why wasn't she charged by the prosecutors? A lot of people think there was only one "deal with the devil" but there were actually two.

"Prosecutors gave Homolka immunity from prosecution in Jane Doe's rape on the eve of Homolka giving testimony at Bernardo's 1995 murder trial.

Galligan said the decision not to charge Homolka in Jane Doe's crimes was "not taken in a vacuum" and was part of a trial strategy that ultimately helped convict the "extremely dangerous" Bernardo. Ontario prosecutors feared Homolka would be angered by the charges on the eve of her testimony.
"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/05/30/pf-1063088.html

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by Lauriet


We need to trust the media that they'll report exactly where she is and that she won't have a moment of peace anywhere...:cuss:

Hopefully they will!! I don't want her here in Ottawa....:flamemad:

[chilione]

Originally posted by Lauriet


I agree, some people wants to find excuse to these POS...

There is no excuse for that piece of crap! It was videotaped for crying out loud! I just hope that Jane Doe can press charges against her and send her back to prison.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Vehicle on route to Montreal. It seems that she will not be moving to the NDG area as originally stated. Oh man, wonder where she'll move to. Holy cr@p, she could be my frickin neighbor.:cuss:

May, if you watch * Le Canal nouvelles*, it's live talking about Karla and showing the car she left with and talking about the court hearing. :seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by giddyupalw


Hopefully they will!! I don't want her here in Ottawa....:flamemad:

I don't want her here either... I'm in Quebec pretty far from Montreal......

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Lauriet


May, if you watch * Le Canal nouvelles*, it's live talking about Karla and showing the car she left with and talking about the court hearing. :seeya:

Lauriet, I have Starchoice. Are you on Videotron? I can't find that channel.:shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

3:27 Update:

Homolka's departure went undetected by the media.

"There has been a stakeout by dozens of cameras. But quietly, she was gone before we knew it," CTV News' Jed Kahane said outside St-Anne-Des-Plaines prison north of Montreal.

Most of the journalists were at the main entrance, but suddenly a red Dodge Caravan minivan escorted by two motorcyle-riding police officers appeared on the road, he said, adding they may have come out of a side entrance.

"Karla Homolka, from what we've been told, was in it."

Kahane said many want to know her whereabouts.

"The public, the majority, I'd say, of those I've spoken to in the last few months would like to know where she's living.

"They don't necessarily want to hound her out, but they'd like to know roughly where she's living in case, as the courts say, she's a risk to re-offend."

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Lauriet, I have Starchoice. Are you on Videotron? I can't find that channel.:shrug:

nope I'm on Video Dery, It's LCN TVA's 24/7 news channel....

Do you have TVA? It's a channel for news in french.... Dang I wish you could see.....

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
3:27 Update:

Homolka's departure went undetected by the media.

"There has been a stakeout by dozens of cameras. But quietly, she was gone before we knew it," CTV News' Jed Kahane said outside St-Anne-Des-Plaines prison north of Montreal.

Most of the journalists were at the main entrance, but suddenly a red Dodge Caravan minivan escorted by two motorcyle-riding police officers appeared on the road, he said, adding they may have come out of a side entrance.

"Karla Homolka, from what we've been told, was in it."

Kahane said many want to know her whereabouts.

"The public, the majority, I'd say, of those I've spoken to in the last few months would like to know where she's living.

"They don't necessarily want to hound her out, but they'd like to know roughly where she's living in case, as the courts say, she's a risk to re-offend." I agree with this tactic for two reasons:

1. Corrections Canada agreed to let the victims' parents' lawyers know before they found out through the media (classy)

2. What better way for the police to keep track of where she is than to escort her there.

:D

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by chilione


There is no excuse for that piece of crap! It was videotaped for crying out loud! I just hope that Jane Doe can press charges against her and send her back to prison.

There is no excuse for her crimes, and that is why she went to prison for 12 years. She was given immunity for Jane Doe. (she shouldn't have been, but she was)

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Lauriet


nope I'm on Video Dery, It's LCN TVA's 24/7 news channel....

Do you have TVA? It's a channel for news in french.... Dang I wish you could see.....

See what? That she left in a red vehicle? This is exactly what I mean....the drooling focus on minutia.

Originally posted by northernrflxn


See what? That she left in a red vehicle? This is exactly what I mean....the drooling focus on minutia. You obviously enjoy spending your afternoon reading and responding to it. :D

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


There is no excuse for her crimes, and that is why she went to prison for 12 years. She was given immunity for Jane Doe. (she shouldn't have been, but she was)

And 12 year is a joke for her crimes...:mad: It should have been a life sentence and at least to be tried for the sex crimes she was a part of.

Do you really think it's enough? Would you like her to live close to you? Your teen daughters to be in touch with her? :shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


See what? That she left in a red vehicle? This is exactly what I mean....the drooling focus on minutia.

Lauriet's post was addressed to me and I want to get as many details as possible of her whereabouts and where the he!! she's going. If you have no interest, find yourself something else to do.
:rolleyes:

[GrrlPwer]

Originally posted by Lauriet


And 12 year is a joke for her crimes...:mad: It should have been a life sentence and at least to be tried for the sex crimes she was a part of.

Do you really think it's enough? Would you like her to live close to you? Your teen daughters to be in touch with her? :shrug:

yeah its pretty sad Canada would let someone like that out of Prison.:flamemad:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Lauriet's post was addressed to me and I want to get as many details as possible of her whereabouts and where the he!! she's going. If you have no interest, find yourself something else to do.
:rolleyes:

Hoping some media will follow her and show us a picture of what she looks like right now...

I'm still watching LCN. :seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by GrrlPwer


yeah its pretty sad Canada would let someone like that out of Prison.:flamemad:

I agree with you, most Canadians are angry because that POS got only 12 years and that she's free... :flamemad:

[chilione]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


There is no excuse for her crimes, and that is why she went to prison for 12 years. She was given immunity for Jane Doe. (she shouldn't have been, but she was)

No she shouldn't have been given immunity for Jane Doe. I hope JD files a citizen's private information charge against the scumbag.

[goatgirl]

Hello All-

Just to let you, if you havent heard Satan has been released ...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-002/page.asp


god help us all-

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by goatgirl
Hello All-

Just to let you, if you havent heard Satan has been released ...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-002/page.asp


god help us all-

Thanks goatgirl! :seeya:

Yes, that sick POS is out, I'm hoping she'll be stalked by media....

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by goatgirl
Hello All-

Just to let you, if you havent heard Satan has been released ...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-002/page.asp


god help us all-

Hi gg,

Looks like she might be rooming with mommy for awhile or a hotel. Just heard this on the news. Still no word on where they're heading. Some media crews are following the red van but fear it might be a decoy. I can't believe they screwed up. Argh!

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Hi gg,

Looks like she might be rooming with mommy for awhile or a hotel. Just heard this on the news. Still no word on where they're heading. Some media crews are following the red van but fear it might be a decoy. I can't believe they screwed up. Argh!

May,

On the news on TQS they just said that Stephen William ( who wrote the book about her) was following the red van in ca