Strangers volunteer to help freed Homolka

"People offering money: Lawyer
Some even want her as roommate"

Jun. 22, 2005. 06:37 AM

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1119391817624&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

Sorry but due to copyright laws, I can't post the whole article here. You can sign up to read The Star for free, though.

[2L8 4A D8]

What???????????????

OMG, I am so pizzed! I just knew something like this was going to happen when they stated that she was definitely "unemployable" and didn't know how she was going to support herself.

But if Scott Peterson can get boo-coo marriage proposals everyday, I guess anything is possible.

Some people!!!!

Thanks for the post and link!

[Canadian Bum]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
"People offering money: Lawyer
Some even want her as roommate"

Jun. 22, 2005. 06:37 AM

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1119391817624&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

Sorry but due to copyright laws, I can't post the whole article here. You can sign up to read The Star for free, though. If Karla thinks she's stressed now...just wait. :flamemad: Those that offer her help...are in need themselves.

[goatgirl]

Originally posted by Canadian Bum
If Karla thinks she's stressed now...just wait. :flamemad: Those that offer her help...are in need themselves.


I was so shocked to read about this, I also read it in the newspaper the other day !

wth is wrong with people today ?

lets just hope that none of these homes are filled with 14&15 yr old teenagers !

I think she should rot for life !


I hear she is also going to be collecting welfare!

glad to see my hard earned tax dollars are going towards the care of a savage animal !

[Canadian Bum]

Originally posted by goatgirl



I was so shocked to read about this, I also read it in the newspaper the other day !

wth is wrong with people today ?

lets just hope that none of these homes are filled with 14&15 yr old teenagers !

I think she should rot for life !


I hear she is also going to be collecting welfare!

glad to see my hard earned tax dollars are going towards the care of a savage animal ! Some will have ulterior motives when it comes to befriending Karla...she's been warned of this. Karla is out for what Karla can get right now. Someone will help Karla...its just a matter of time. As to welfare :shrug: she deserves nothing .

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Canadian Bum
Some will have ulterior motives when it comes to befriending Karla...she's been warned of this. Karla is out for what Karla can get right now. Someone will help Karla...its just a matter of time. As to welfare :shrug: she deserves nothing .

That really makes me mad that she is getting welfare. They said that she is unemployable. Well, gee, too bad, so sad! Karla should have to scrub toilets and floors on her hands and knees for minimum wage!

JMO and MOO!!

[hokisteph5]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


That really makes me mad that she is getting welfare. They said that she is unemployable. Well, gee, too bad, so sad! Karla should have to scrub toilets and floors on her hands and knees for minimum wage!

JMO and MOO!!

What's making her unemployable? Her notoriety? I thought I heard last night that she met all the goals she set for herself while in prison - one of them I thought was getting a college degree.

There's got to be some kind of job out there for her - maybe she feels it's beneath her...

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by hokisteph5


What's making her unemployable? Her notoriety? I thought I heard last night that she met all the goals she set for herself while in prison - one of them I thought was getting a college degree.

There's got to be some kind of job out there for her - maybe she feels it's beneath her...

Please read this link. It will answer your questions.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119127390040_240/?hub=Canada

[slight_buzz]

Don't they have 7-11's in Canada? Seems she should be able to get a low paying job.

Do you want fries with that....?

[keys]

Reality check:

The greatest danger in housing Homolka at your house is not that Homolka might hurt you/and your family, but rather that you/your family might be hurt by one of the nuts out there who want to track Homolka down and kill her.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keys
Reality check:

The greatest danger in housing Homolka at your house is not that Homolka might hurt you/and your family, but rather that you/your family might be hurt by one of the nuts out there who want to track Homolka down and kill her.

And not only that, but it is in the interest of the public safety to ensure that she has a chance at an integrated life. We've all seen what she can do when she feels driven inward and is disconnected from normalcy.

[Anthea Delano]

The people who want to help her are probably decent souls who have been misled.

Check this timeline out.


May 28, 1990 a composite of the local rapist is released and it looks just like Paul.

Paul committed 8 rapes and attempted others between the time he had first had sex with K which happened to be the first night he met K (with others in the room).

So Paul is getting all the sex he could possibly want from K, but he is still following his MO of stalking young women at bus stops and raping them because he obviously needs to feel in control, because we know rape is about control and not about sex. So he was obviously not getting his control fix from K.

Nov. 20,1990 PB who has given samples of his saliva to the police tells K he may look like the composite, but he isn't the rapist.

Yet in Sept. 1990, according to K Paul is beginning to pressure her into drugging her sister to have sex with her.

So let's get this straight. This man is a rapist with a very specific MO. He is dating a woman who IPSE DIXIT that he tells her in Sept. that wants to rape her sister. UGH.

Then on Nov.20 after there is great suspicion that he is the local rapist-he tells her he isn't and she believes him even though he has told her wants to rape her sister.

This isn't logical.

ROTFLMAO that anyone believes this woman.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


And not only that, but it is in the interest of the public safety to ensure that she has a chance at an integrated life. We've all seen what she can do when she feels driven inward and is disconnected from normalcy.

Actually, we have only heard about "what she can do." What you are suggesting is that it is up to society to "ensure" that Karla has a certain kind of life to prevent her from recidivism. Is that society's job?

Karla started off with Paul in what most people would think is abnormal. She engaged in consensual sex with him the first night she met him while there were other people in the room!

This indicates that Karla didn't follow norms right from the start.

MOO

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Actually, we have only heard about "what she can do." What you are suggesting is that it is up to society to "ensure" that Karla has a certain kind of life to prevent her from recidivism. Is that society's job?

Karla started off with Paul in what most people would think is abnormal. She engaged in consensual sex with him the first night she met him while there were other people in the room!

This indicates that Karla didn't follow norms right from the start.

MOO

Parole programs and government funded organizations like the Elizabeth Fry Society do indicate that a strong focus on positive community reintegration is deemed to be an important part of the corrections system. I think it is self evident that it is in society's best interest not to artificially drive a thief into unemployment, or to to reject a parolee so thoroughly that the only place they will find acceptance and influence is with others who have been similarly rejected.

In your discussion of normalcy you have actually inadvertantly hit on one of my real problems with the way people draw their conclusions in our discussions. Having sex in a hotel room with others present would certainly be abnormal for a couple celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary. It is far less abnormal for teenagers sharing a hotel room away from home in say, the 1980's. While not all teenagers would engage in this type of behaviour, I can guarantee you many would. Despite this impulsive act, Karla was not really promiscuous if you look at her whole history.

People measure Karla's words and acts partly against how they imagine they or any other normal person would react in similar situations, find them anomolous and call her a monster. I think this the wrong benchmark, because by the time these crimes began she had already been under the insidious influence of a 100% for sure sadistic, manipulative psychopath who depended on the illusion of absolute power to have a reason to get out of bed. All but the most surface normalcy had long gone.

You really have to follow the transition from a relatively normal blond little girl who loved Barbies and dreamed of houses and husbands and babies, to a relatively normal teenaged Karla who dreamed of meeting a handsome rich man who would provide those houses and babies, to what she finally became.

It is sometimes hard to see Homolka as anything else but the woman who committed those monstrous crimes, but if you can see her just for a moment as a person with the same dreams that everyone had, seemingly on the right trajectory to acheive them, then there is just so much to talk about. People to me seem to start with the crimes and work backwards. That is not the way life unfolds, and not the way this story is best understood IMO.

[Anthea Delano]

Before meeting Paul Bernardo, K had one sexual experience. Not once did I suggest K was "promiscuous" prior to or during her relationship with P.

I STARTED with K's first meeting with PB because I believe it is not the norm for well brought up girls to have sex with men they just met with others in the room. This behavior doesn't fit with a young lady who claims she was so well brought up that she writes "thank you" letters.

Please tell me just who considers it normal for a teenage girl to have sex for three hours with a man she just met with others in the room.

I've polled the age appropriate people of today, who have a far looser definition of normal than K's contemporaries, for their opinion and they have told me it is "sick, skanky" and not only wouldn't they do this, but none of their friends would.

So to go back to the beginning. K has sex with PB while others are in the room. This relationship begins with intense consensual sex in a setting which is not private. There is no long period of dating. There is no courtship. There is no getting to know you period. Whatever K may write or say now about her girlhood dreams, this beginning isn't made from that material and it isn't the basis for a normal relationship.

PB did not have to rape her. PB did not have subdue her or beat her into submission. These two lusty equals met and immediately forged a bond which was sealed with voyeuristic sex.

It indicates that K may have been well brought up, but she didn't follow the norm right from day one with PB.

She was an equal player in this relationship and she continued to be.

K had the power to stop or start whatever, whenever. Didn't she stop PB from killing a dog? What is the explanation for this? She mentions this incident as if it might mitigate some of her crimes, but she doesn't really care about her victims or their families, she cares only for K. She is pandering to animal lovers so they might say, "well at least she saved a dog's life."

As to dreams, sociopaths do have dreams, dreams which may include husbands, wives, children, houses and fairytale weddings complete with horse drawn carriages. Isn't K still dreaming of a happy little home with the fire burning and Gerbet, the murderer she fell in love with at first sight in the prison library, sitting in a big comfy chair, with children? Well that's part of the dream. We know this because IPSE DIXIT. What else is there that she is not sharing? Could it be a fully equipped chamber of horrors in her dream basement? Or the children she says she hopes to have. Whose children and how does she want them?

It isn't hard to see Homolka other than the evil helpmate of PB, she is intelligent, articulate, well-read and as William's the author put it "engaging,"
BUT, it would be an enormous mistake to be less than vigilant around someone like K because she is a dangerous sociopath.



MOO

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Before meeting Paul Bernardo, K had one sexual experience. Not once did I suggest K was "promiscuous" prior to or during her relationship with P.

I STARTED with K's first meeting with PB because I believe it is not the norm for well brought up girls to have sex with men they just met with others in the room. This behavior doesn't fit with a young lady who claims she was so well brought up that she writes "thank you" letters.

Please tell me just who considers it normal for a teenage girl to have sex for three hours with a man she just met with others in the room.

I've polled the age appropriate people of today, who have a far looser definition of normal than K's contemporaries, for their opinion and they have told me it is "sick, skanky" and not only wouldn't they do this, but none of their friends would.

So to go back to the beginning. K has sex with PB while others are in the room. This relationship begins with intense consensual sex in a setting which is not private. There is no long period of dating. There is no courtship. There is no getting to know you period. Whatever K may write or say now about her girlhood dreams, this beginning isn't made from that material and it isn't the basis for a normal relationship.

PB did not have to rape her. PB did not have subdue her or beat her into submission. These two lusty equals met and immediately forged a bond which was sealed with voyeuristic sex.

It indicates that K may have been well brought up, but she didn't follow the norm right from day one with PB.

She was an equal player in this relationship and she continued to be.

K had the power to stop or start whatever, whenever. Didn't she stop PB from killing a dog? What is the explanation for this? She mentions this incident as if it might mitigate some of her crimes, but she doesn't really care about her victims or their families, she cares only for K. She is pandering to animal lovers so they might say, "well at least she saved a dog's life."

As to dreams, sociopaths do have dreams, dreams which may include husbands, wives, children, houses and fairytale weddings complete with horse drawn carriages. Isn't K still dreaming of a happy little home with the fire burning and Gerbet, the murderer she fell in love with at first sight in the prison library, sitting in a big comfy chair, with children? Well that's part of the dream. We know this because IPSE DIXIT. What else is there that she is not sharing? Could it be a fully equipped chamber of horrors in her dream basement? Or the children she says she hopes to have. Whose children and how does she want them?

It isn't hard to see Homolka other than the evil helpmate of PB, she is intelligent, articulate, well-read and as William's the author put it "engaging,"
BUT, it would be an enormous mistake to be less than vigilant around someone like K because she is a dangerous sociopath.

MOO

Excellent post! Good job!!!! :beer:

[tracy turnblad]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


And not only that, but it is in the interest of the public safety to ensure that she has a chance at an integrated life. We've all seen what she can do when she feels driven inward and is disconnected from normalcy.


IOW, are you saying that if society does not integrate her in a fair manner, that any threat to public safety will rest on our conscious? Poor little Karla can't get any endorsements on her self worth? So when she goes on her next psycho spree, it will be b/c she was "driven inward and disconnected?" aka it's not her fault if she fails? Then she has NOT been reformed! Lock her back up!!

She has shown no remorse nor assumed any responsibility for her disturbing actions. The letter to her sister, Lori, clearly states she has no moral compass. Not to mention the physical love letter to her little sister, which landed her in jail. She was disconnected long before she was ever imprisoned and if she had even a shred of decency, she would have silently slipped off into the wild yonder. Do you ever hear MK LeTourneau's ex give an interview? And he has never even committed a crime!

You earn respect & supposedly learn from mistakes. To reform is to recognize that you ALONE must right your wrongs. Then others may be WILLING to give you a chance.

The Canadian gov't gave her a bargain and the Canadian govt should take responsibility is she screws up. Any Canadian citizen that wants true justice for KH's victims, should become an activist for a change in the laws. MOO

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Anthea Delano
Before meeting Paul Bernardo, K had one sexual experience. Not once did I suggest K was "promiscuous" prior to or during her relationship with P.

I STARTED with K's first meeting with PB because I believe it is not the norm for well brought up girls to have sex with men they just met with others in the room. This behavior doesn't fit with a young lady who claims she was so well brought up that she writes "thank you" letters.

Please tell me just who considers it normal for a teenage girl to have sex for three hours with a man she just met with others in the room.

I've polled the age appropriate people of today, who have a far looser definition of normal than K's contemporaries, for their opinion and they have told me it is "sick, skanky" and not only wouldn't they do this, but none of their friends would.

So to go back to the beginning. K has sex with PB while others are in the room. This relationship begins with intense consensual sex in a setting which is not private. There is no long period of dating. There is no courtship. There is no getting to know you period. Whatever K may write or say now about her girlhood dreams, this beginning isn't made from that material and it isn't the basis for a normal relationship.

PB did not have to rape her. PB did not have subdue her or beat her into submission. These two lusty equals met and immediately forged a bond which was sealed with voyeuristic sex.

It indicates that K may have been well brought up, but she didn't follow the norm right from day one with PB.

She was an equal player in this relationship and she continued to be.

K had the power to stop or start whatever, whenever. Didn't she stop PB from killing a dog? What is the explanation for this? She mentions this incident as if it might mitigate some of her crimes, but she doesn't really care about her victims or their families, she cares only for K. She is pandering to animal lovers so they might say, "well at least she saved a dog's life."

As to dreams, sociopaths do have dreams, dreams which may include husbands, wives, children, houses and fairytale weddings complete with horse drawn carriages. Isn't K still dreaming of a happy little home with the fire burning and Gerbet, the murderer she fell in love with at first sight in the prison library, sitting in a big comfy chair, with children? Well that's part of the dream. We know this because IPSE DIXIT. What else is there that she is not sharing? Could it be a fully equipped chamber of horrors in her dream basement? Or the children she says she hopes to have. Whose children and how does she want them?

It isn't hard to see Homolka other than the evil helpmate of PB, she is intelligent, articulate, well-read and as William's the author put it "engaging,"
BUT, it would be an enormous mistake to be less than vigilant around someone like K because she is a dangerous sociopath.

MOO

Your "poll" notwithstanding, young normal adults have a hell of lot of sex. They have it on college campuses or in their parents' basement, or in their parents bed. Many have it in cars, or have it outside, or even have it in public buildings. And sometimes, if the choice comes down to having sex with someone else in the room, or not having it at all....they have it.

Not every girl is Sandra Dee. Casual sex happens all the time, often within hours of first meeting at nightclubs, parties, on Spring Break etc. etc. It's part of the culture, not for all, but for many. As is has been since the sexual revolution of the 60's, and as it always shall be until the pedulum once again swings the other way. Her relationship was certainly not the only one in the history of mankind to begin with sex. I am just a little older than Karla. I grew up in the 80's, and I'm surprised she remained a virgin as long as she did. Nothing has changed today. Google 'Girls Gone Wild' or 'Rainbow Parties'. The latter was enough of a social concern for Oprah to do a show on it.

Karla and her friend were away from home with all the freedom in the world, and they indended to make the most of it. They wanted to "party". They ultimately rejected the first two guys they dragged back to the hotel and had pretty much decided to pack it in for the night. Meeting the charming, smooth, handsome (I never really saw it), university educated accountant in training must have seemed an incredible stroke of luck for a girl in her pyjamas on an adventure in the big city. If they had had two rooms, they would have had some privacy. They didn't. It's no more significant than that IMO.

To imply that Karla and Paul were sexual equals at their first meeting is absolutely and completely ludicrous. She was a relatively inexperienced 17 year old feeling a little naughty and spreading her sexual wings. He was a knock down drag out psychopath, who at 23 years old already had a few brutal and sadistic rapes under his belt and several years experience at skillfully and patiently turning girlfriends from starry eyed Juliettes into wide eyed, tear streaked 'servant girls' with cords around their necks and their heads brutally thrust to the floor of the backseat of Bernardo's Capri while he subjected them to painful, brutal and humiliating anal sex, sometimes with a wine bottle.

I agree that 'sex at first sight' lays different groundwork for a relationship than one that starts in a more healthy way. But to characterize the circumstances of their first meeting as so abnormal that they offer clues in hindsight to everything that followed is simply wrong IMO. Regardless of the fact that her choices that night were not abnormal by scientific definition, there is no logical connection, no corellation, between having casual sex with or without somebody in the room and psychopathy or murder or anything else that followed. We'd have to turn over an entire province just for prison space if there were, and I'd only be posting today if they allowed inmates internet access.

To me, the more significant things from those first few hours was the set up for the submissive/dominant relationship and the set up for the later use of her lack of "chasteness" when they met to manipulate her.

To leap from these early hours to Jean Paul Gerbet and her letters to Stephen Williams a lifetime later is to leap over the whole story IMO. Karla's years in the trenches with a psycopath are crucial to understanding how her insecurity and moral ambivalance turned to rape and murder.

According to Stephen Williams, only a very small minority of the many professionals that were called on to report on Homolka think she may be a sociopath/psycopath. It is clear that these diagnoses didn't appear until Corrections Canada needed them to appear. One of the two doctors that said she may have an antisocial personality did so without meeting with her at all. The other one had a colleague that disagreed. This is documented in Williams' Karla A Pact With the Devil. She's not an innocent, but it is virtually certain that she's not a sociopath either.

[northernrflxn]

Maybe we shoud move this discussion to my "psychopath poll" thread. That way, we won't lose relevant posts on other threads on the same subject.

[2L8 4A D8]

You can take it where you want to Hon. It's your Thread. But don't expect too many to follow you. You must be doing a thesis for your psychiatric degree entitled Karla Homolka: The Psycho Among Us. Your obsessive fascination and constant support of whatever Karla does or says is getting rather tiresome.

Your expertise and knowledge of the Karla Homolka case is to be commended, but you need to take it to others who have the same mindset that you do. It is really wasted on those of us who are NOT going to change our minds or opinions of Karla and Paul, no matter what you bring our way.

You talk like Karla is just one of many girls/women who have become "lovesick/obsessed/posessed" over their boyfriends enough to kidnap, rape, torture, maim and kill for him at all costs. I don't think so. I think that this is abnormal behavior and you're not going to find another case like it.

I have racked my brain and I can't come up with any other female that has ever done such a thing. I don't have enough expertise on researching the Web. If you find another case or two, I will then stand corrected!

JMO and MOO!!

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8
<snipped>

You talk like Karla is just one of many girls/women who have become "lovesick/obsessed/posessed" over their boyfriends enough to kidnap, rape, torture, maim and kill for him at all costs. I don't think so. I think that this is abnormal behavior and you're not going to find another case like it.

I have racked my brain and I can't come up with any other female that has ever done such a thing. I don't have enough expertise on researching the Web. If you find another case or two, I will then stand corrected!

JMO and MOO!!

There have been others who have done this and who have claimed to have been forced to rape and kill by their loved one. You may find the story of Charlene and Gerald Gallego strikingly familiar.

This 22 yr. old couple were known as "The Sex Slave Murderers" between 1978 and 1980. They kidnapped, raped, tortured then killed their victims. Gerald was sentenced to death and Charlene struck a deal for 16 years.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/partners/gallego/charlene_2.html?sect=5

Regardless of there being others, it is still certainly not "normal" behaviour and thankfully MOST people see Karla for what she IS...an evil murderess.

[cantstandnuts]

I can't understand the minds of people who think they want to help Karla.
Either they're as nuts as we think she is or they're mistakenly believing everything she says and are bleeding hearts who want to help her out because "she's paid for her crimes and now she deserves a shot at a real life."
Either way, it's pretty scary to know she has somewhat of a fan club out there.
:confused:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


There have been others who have done this and who have claimed to have been forced to rape and kill by their loved one. You may find the story of Charlene and Gerald Gallego strikingly familiar.

This 22 yr. old couple were known as "The Sex Slave Murderers" between 1978 and 1980. They kidnapped, raped, tortured then killed their victims. Gerald was sentenced to death and Charlene struck a deal for 16 years.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/partners/gallego/charlene_2.html?sect=5

Regardless of there being others, it is still certainly not "normal" behaviour and thankfully MOST people see Karla for what she IS...an evil murderess.

Thanks for the link HM! I have never heard of this couple. I was also thinking about Charles Starkweather and Caril Fugate in the 1950's. She didn't help him, but she didn't try to stop him either. A lot of people hated her for the longest time. Maybe the older people still do, I don't know. Caril didn't show any compassion or remorse and I think that's why people had such a problem with her. I don't know if she is still alive or not.

JMO and MOO!!

[cantstandnuts]

It did not seem like they had been together long before she just went along with everything he wanted.

This, to me, is really key here. She was still living at home when they committed the first murder, her sister Tammy. So, she wants people to believe that she's so afraid of Paul and so helpless, such a victim that she moves in with him after the family asks him to leave and that she was so controlled and abused that she had to do it? They weren't even married yet for goodness sake, all she had to do was walk away...she had every possible chance to end it after Tammy dies, but does she? NO, they go on and rape and kill two more girls! So, show me the remorse for Tammy. There wasn't any! Unless you show it by kidnapping, raping, and killing two more kids...I don't live in a world where we show remorse by repeating the act over and over.

She was NO victim, she enjoyed this sickness as much as he did. Those video tapes weren't lying, Karla was.

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8
You talk like Karla is just one of many girls/women who have become "lovesick/obsessed/posessed" over their boyfriends enough to kidnap, rape, torture, maim and kill for him at all costs. I don't think so. I think that this is abnormal behavior and you're not going to find another case like it.

I have racked my brain and I can't come up with any other female that has ever done such a thing. I don't have enough expertise on researching the Web. If you find another case or two, I will then stand corrected!

JMO and MOO!! [/B]
I'm absolutely NOT trying to "correct" you, because I agree with you, 100%.
BUT, there is another killing/raping/torturing couple that I believe are worse than Karla & Paul.
They are Fred & Rose West. I've read the story of these two a long time ago, so I can't remember if Rose ever claimed innocence (I don't think so). They're a brutal and sick couple.
They're story is in the crime library, click HERE (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/west/index_1.html) to read it.

SNIPPED FROM THE FRED & ROSE WEST STORY;

As the case developed, Rose abandoned Fred to save herself. She tried to position herself as the victim of a murderous man, but she was not particularly convincing. Police worked continuously to tie her in to the crimes.

The bodies of Rena, Anna McFall and Charmaine were found as Fred continued to cooperate with the police. On the Mary Bastholm case, Fred decided to quit cooperating and her body was not found.

At their joint hearing, Fred attempted to console Rose, but she avoided his touch. She told the police he made her sick. The great partnership in crime was over.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Just like Karla, she was a willing & active participant in the kidnapping, torture, raping and murder of girls/women. Only when LE was 'onto them' did Karla/Rose distance themselves from any and all involvement.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Maveno

I'm absolutely NOT trying to "correct" you, because I agree with you, 100%.
BUT, there is another killing/raping/torturing couple that I believe are worse than Karla & Paul.
They are Fred & Rose West. I've read the story of these two a long time ago, so I can't remember if Rose ever claimed innocence (I don't think so). They're a brutal and sick couple.
They're story is in the crime library, click HERE (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/west/index_1.html) to read it.

What a family. Incest, rapes and serial murder.

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


What a family. Incest, rapes and serial murder.
Although Fred and Rose were much more prolific than Paul/Karla (that we know of) in the torturous murders & rapes, I don't see any difference in the two couples.
Also, I have no doubt that if they had a female child, that Paul would have raped her. imo Oh, and I also feel that Karla would have known about it.

These two couples IMO, are mirror images of each other.

[Anthea Delano]

Originally posted by Maveno

Although Fred and Rose were much more prolific than Paul/Karla (that we know of) in the torturous murders & rapes, I don't see any difference in the two couples.
Also, I have no doubt that if they had a female child, that Paul would have raped her. imo Oh, and I also feel that Karla would have known about it.

These two couples IMO, are mirror images of each other.

There certainly are similarities. It would be interesting to compare their thought processes.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Maveno

I'm absolutely NOT trying to "correct" you, because I agree with you, 100%.
BUT, there is another killing/raping/torturing couple that I believe are worse than Karla & Paul.
They are Fred & Rose West. I've read the story of these two a long time ago, so I can't remember if Rose ever claimed innocence (I don't think so). They're a brutal and sick couple.
They're story is in the crime library, click HERE (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/west/index_1.html) to read it.

Thanks! I will check it out. Hockeymom also gave me the names of Gerald and Charlene Gallegos.

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I had read that story on crime library but that's the only information I can find on it.

Curious, anyone know how crime library's stories are? Accurate for the most part or...

I think Hockeymom said some of their stuff was questionable and I was just wondering.

I read a story about Pamela Smart who lived in my area and killed her husband. Because she lived so close to me, I was inundated with news and I watched the trial on TV and even read the book on it, which is rare, because I don't read a lot of true crime books. Anyway, I read crime library's story on her and it was quite accurate...that, of course, doesn't mean they all are.